You can graduate from a 4 year bachelor's of computer science

>>59287542
I literally got my masters in CS because my parents asked me to and
>education is very important son< meme.
I was working in field before I started attending school.

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>>59287542

>>59287632
That seems like a lot of code just to print an X.

function printx(size)
{
  for (let i = 0; i < size; i++)
  {
    for (let j = 0; j < size; j++)
      if (i == j || i == (size - 1 - j))
        process.stdout.write("*");
      else
        process.stdout.write(" ");
    process.stdout.write("\n");
  }
}

printx(9);

>>59287947

            int size = 9;

            for (int i = 0; i < size; i++)
            {
                char[] line = new string(new char[] { }).PadLeft(size).ToCharArray();
                line[i] = '*';
                line[size - 1 - i] = '*';              
                Console.WriteLine(new string(line));
            }

c# desu senpai

>>59288025
Let me interject here, what you are refering as "c# desu senpai" is in fact "Senpai, C# desu" or "Senpai wa C# desu" how I started calling it recently.

>tfw this is true

For me, all I did was memorize the solutions to the problems -- the steps you have to take. This does not translate to creating your own steps to solve your own problem, which is what you do in the real world.

I was unemployed after graduation. I finally decided to create an app and that got me the problem solving skills I needed to become employed. I'm now earning six figures coding commercial applications.

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>>59287603
>education meme
>meme

>>59287542
>Why even bother with a CS degree then? Why is this allowed?
Because a lot of shitheads in HR demand to see it and don't consider you if you don't have it. Plus I used to see a lot of internship offers that were explicitly restricted to students, I imagine that hasn't gone away. It's a years-long box-ticking exercise that costs tens of thousands of dollars. Which ironically makes it good preparation after all, since years-long expensive box-ticking exercises are a lot of what most businesses do.

finished masters and been NEET for 2 years
don't fall for the meme

>>59287542
This just in, school and degrees don't magically make you smart. Turns out the student is actually the most important factor in success.

This is the problem we have all over, people think that just getting a degree from such and such University is all it takes.

>>59289176
this desu-senpai
my university is super competitve, but the reality is that many people aren't smart inherently, and aren't good students (myself probably included) but just try to memorize what is needed for the test

>>59289176
Why even bother with college if you can go it solo?
If a BS didn't become the new HS diploma, NOBODY would go to university for anything but the hard sciences and law.

>>59287632

int i;
char arr[size];
for (i = 0; i < size; ++i) {
    arr[i] = " ";
}

for (i = 0; i < size; i++) {
    arr[i] = arr[size-1-i] = "*";
    printf("%s\n", arr);
    arr[i] = arr[size-1-i] = " ";
}

>>59289224
>Why even bother with college if you can go it solo?
Because the people you work under are almost never the people filtering out your resume.

The stupid cunts in HR can't tell a good resume from a bad one, they can only line up requirements and degrees.

>>59289224
Because it's still hard to get by without a degree lots of fields. It's just that a degree isn't the be-all end-all.

Kinda like how in a trade you might get a certification that shows you are basically qualified but that doesn't make you not a greenhorn. Actual job experience is what is going to actually matter. It's hard to get that if you don't have the paper to prove they don't need to teach you how to walk first.

>>59288245
thats your own fault desu

>Go to uni
>Become a stoner in first year
>Become a smoker in second year
>Become an alcoholic in second year
>Somehow graduate
>End up leaving with a fraction of the motivation and drive for success I entered with.

>>59289176
That's because school used to actually be difficult to get into. Tbh it's better to find someone with a certification than a degree nowadays.

>>59289322
Yeah exactly, the value of a degree alone has dropped massively but people still don't realize it.

Now we are sending tons of kids to blow shitloads of money on a product that really is not worth the cost. And yet even still parents, teachers, and administrators are pushing the necessity of degrees. It's honestly criminal the way there are throwing kids into this without a clue.

>>59289564
Honestly the worst part is being hurled into college being encouraged to go by every adult you've ever met.
>oh dont worry anon you'll know what you want to study when you get there

>>59289564
Thats kinda doomed to happen. Whatever thing is in demand by the job market is what kids do, or what parents push their kids to do, so we end up with a massive glut of it that drives the price way down. Not just with going to college period, but with specific fields too.

>>59289633
Yeah, honestly I think that going to a Junior College First is pretty much a must. Lets you get a taste and figure things out but for only $80/Credit Hour.

Because everything is done through loans and whatnot people forget they are dropping tens of thousands of dollars on something they are unsure about. That's so horribly financially irresponsible.

If you tried to tell those same people to start spending 40k+ a year without a plan they'd laugh and yet suddenly it's okay to do it to a bunch of kids.

>>59289952
Is that like community college?
CCs here charge $46/unit hour.

>>59290094
Yeah CCs, I was just going off what I recall the closest CC's rate was. Either way it's pennies compared to doing the same at a 4-year.

>>59289952
>$80/Credit Hour
>>59290094
>$46/unit hour

I suppose it depends how many credits is considered "full time" at your particular school. At the technical college/community college I'm finishing my general eds up at, before I transfer to university, 12 credits per semester is considered to be full time.
It costs $151.65 per credit/hour for classes that don't transfer over to a four year school (so classes specifically for a two year degree).
For the classes that are actually transferable (ex. Calculus 1, 2, 3, etc.), it's $197.65 per credit/hour.

Either way, this is cheaper than the local university I plan to transfer to, which is about double the cost per credit/hour.

>>59287947

void printx(int size)
{
    for ( int i = 0; i < size; i++)
    {
        for ( int j = 0; j < size; j++)
            putchar((i == j || i == (size - 1 - j))?'*':' ');
        putchar('\n');
    }
}

>unironically using printf to output a character
>unironically using %s to do so

>>59287996
why is this still up

its literally the exact same in every technical degree field, most non technical degrees also

>>59287542
POLAND
150 usd per month private school on weekends with gov dodation, free health care if you are under 26 and study.
All education on public uni is free and guaranteed by constitution
POLAND

>>59290362
>>59287947
>>59287632

def printStars(size):
    lines = [["*" if abs(size - 1 - 2*x) == abs(size - 1 - 2*y) else " " for x in range(size)] for y in range(size)]
    for l in lines :
        print "".join(l)

>>59290259
Oh man that sucks, my local CC is $85/Hour flat for instate. And it caps at $1200 total no matter how many credits you take.

>>59290666
and no distinctions between terminal and non-terminal classes.

>>59287947
>>59288025
>>59290362
>>59290491

>trailing white spaces at end of line

truly sickening.

You freaks call yourselves programmers?

Industry quality for sure.

>>59290445
>150 usd per month
that's a bit on the expensive side
80 usd here in poznan

>>59287632
What the fuck. This is 1st week python bootcamp tier.

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>>59290698

>>59290745
>This is 1st week python bootcamp tier
Yet no one has even been able to produce a solution without trailing white spaces.

Maybe /g/ is just incompetent-tier when it comes to actual, quality programming?

>>59290698
>>59290770
have a nice day friend :)

>>59291043
Will do.

Bachelors is just the new High School diploma. I have a BA in Finance but I work as a software engineer. It's really just a box that human resources checks off when they are looking at your resume and score it.

>>59291063
>>59290770
>>59290796
>>59290698

no whitespace version

def printStars(size):
    lines = [["*" if abs(size - 1 - 2*x) == abs(size - 1 - 2*y) else " " for x in range(max(y + 1, size-y))] for y in range(size)]
    for l in lines :
        print "".join(l)

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>>59289633
>>59289564
>be college dropout
>working as a software engineer
>paid as much as the college grads
>boss/coworkers forgot/don't care that I never finished college
>being given more leadership/advancement opportunities than the other engineers at my age/experience level

I don't think it ever stops. 9 times out of 10, when it comes up that I don't have a degree, the first reaction is
>oh, well you should really go back and finish it

The reality is that the important question is almost never "where did you go to school?" and almost always "what have you done?"

If you have a good answer for that, no one really asks or cares about the degree.

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>>59287996
Furfag get out.

>>59291200
What country do you live in? Here in Sweden half of every engineer student have job before they graduate and 90% are employed within 2 years of graduation if you graduated from any good university. Of course you can still get a job if you have actually done something to show your potential employer

>>59290666
>>59290680

I'm sure cost of living affects the prices a little too.
I'm attending school instate (Wisconsin).

>>59287542
Why are there so many cucks in CS?
I rather do something much harder like CE or EE or RE just so I don't have to be grouped up with so many cucks

>>59287996
mods b& please

>>59291107
/thread

we've been over this.
>networking
meet with other programmers. establish connections. it will help you get a job
>access to technology
access to computers with powerful GPUs for machine learning and CPUs for expensive calculations
>structure
even non-brainlets can benefit from having a sustainable pace and an area of two to focus on each semester
>degree
gotta play the game... unless you are an autodidact genius type that gets noticed without even trying, then you need it. without one, your resume will go right in the trash

>>59291592
>hurrdurr cuck cuckc cuck cuk

You're probably too dumb for any of those things.

>>59291107
I shudder at the thought of the code a guy with a BA in finance writes.

>>59289251
>The stupid cunts in HR

I don't hear these words often enough. Not only are they lazy and stupid, but they are usually awful, awful people as well.

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>>59291581
I live in the US. For the area I live in, the numbers are about the same.

It's not that I think the degree is worthless or anything. It mostly just matters when you don't have any significant experience, ie before you have a good answer to the question, "what have you done?"

And even then, most good college grad candidates will have gained significant experience outside of school, either through internships or hobbies. A candidate who just has good grades from a good school isn't really all that impressive. They'll get a job sure, but it'll probably be as a code monkey until they prove themselves.

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>>59291806
STFU you retarded cuck.

>>59287632

void meme_x(unsigned n)
{
    int pad = 0;
    unsigned i, j;
    for (i = 0; i <= n; i++)
    {
        for (j = 0; j < pad; j++) putchar(' ');
        putchar('*');
        for (j = 0; j < min(n, n - (pad * 2)); j++) putchar(' ');
        if (i != n / 2 + (n & 1)) putchar('*');
        putchar('\n');
        pad += (i < n / 2 + (n & 1)) ? 1 : -1;
    }

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>>59291806

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>>59291806
.

>>59287632
>>59290745

def printx size
  a = Array.new(size)
    (size/2.0).ceil.times do |index|
      s = ' ' * index + '*' + ' ' * [size-2*index-2, 0].max
      s += '*' unless index==size/2
    a[index] = s
    a[-index-1] = s
    end
    puts a
end

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>>59287542
Is the point of the meme that the swap function is easy?

The code looks fine to me. Normally this meme has shitty code.

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>>59292353
The code is an example solution to the swap problem you novice.

>>59292422
>you novice
Where do you think you are?

>>59292353
Research and then look harder.
I'd tell you to do that in the opposite order but then you wouldn't learn.

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>>59292353
>>59292422

wtf are you talking about, that code is broken

The java.util.ArrayList.set(int index, E element) replaces the element at the specified position in this list with the specified element.

int temp = a[i];
a.set(i, j);
a[j] = temp;

i and j are both indexes

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>>59292353
>>59292422
>>59292590

You're all wrong.

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>>59292590
This is the secondary code the OP came up with...

def x(n):
    for i in range(n):
        x = [ ' ' for i in range(n) ]
        x[i] = x[n-1-i] = '*'
        print(''.join(x))

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>>59293123
ya blew it

def x(i):
    row = lambda x: [x, 1, max(0, i - x * 2 - 2), max(0, min(1, i - x * 2 - 1))]
    str = lambda x: x[0] * " " + x[1] * "*" + x[2] * " " + x[3] * "*"
    rows = map(lambda x: str(row(x)), xrange(0, i / 2))
    print "\n".join(rows + ([str(row(i / 2))] if i % 2 else []) + list(reversed(rows)))

x(N) :- xdraw(1,N,N,N), !.

xdraw(_,_,0,_).
xdraw(L,H,C,N) :-  row(L,H,N),
                   L1 is L+1,
                   H1 is H-1,
                   C1 is C-1,
                   xdraw(L1,H1,C1,N).

row(_,_,0) :- nl.
row(L,H,C) :- C = H, 
              write('*'), 
              C1 is C-1, 
              row(L,H,C1).
row(L,H,C) :- C = L, 
              write('*'), 
              C1 is C-1, 
              row(L,H,C1).
row(L,H,C) :- write(' '), 
              C1 is C-1, 
              row(L,H,C1).

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>>59287542
I am the guy you described. I just attended classes and did no self-learning or side projects. I graduated a lousy programmer with a piece of paper.

And then that piece of paper is what got me a job.

So while you degree hating neets waste your life away I am making money and getting pussy with said money (whores).

Get fucked.

>>59291909
>that pic

pls

no

>>59287542
What's wrong with that swap function?

t. CS student in 4th semester

>>59291200
Im in the same position. I go from time to time to college at night but mostly i just go there to do the tests.
The most interesting thing is, i done Law BS, always worked with software, not im ending engineering with a lot of lazyness, but i never ever was required to work. Working as a subcontractor on big projects also bypass HR so its a plus.

>>59294334
What kind of job did you get without 3+ years of experience?

>>59292623
the real question is why the hell someone want to reorder a fucking arraylist.

>>59295537
>using arraylists

>>59288148
>If only this was true
Kill me now

test

>>59289435
Was the other way around for me desu

Hey, /g/ need some advice.
I really like c++. I completed the basics book "P:P&P using c++ by stroustup". I want to stay at home and read the other books in that c++ stackoverflow book list, and other courses in coursera.org. I want to contribute to OSS projects and then perhaps get a job. I'm afraid that if I don't go to college I'll miss out some important topic. Convincing my parents(check my name) is hard too. What do? Should I just go to college?

>>59296055
Get a decent portfolio ( opensource projects are good for this ), make a good resumé and apply for internships.
You're gonna have to work for free first, atleast that's how it is over here if you don't have a degree.

>>59290491
change the last two lines to

print '\n'.join([''.join(l) for l in lines])

>>59287947
>O(n^2)
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>59292133
fail

If you actually want to know how to do shit, not just CS, but math, data analysis, etc. Major in Physics.
Hell the inventor of C was a physicist.

>>59296233
>If you want to do X, learn Y.

No shit, Sherlock.

Feel bad for all you fags who couldnt make it after graduating. I went to school with a lot of losers like you

>uninvolved
>unmotivated
>do little work in the group
>avoid all difficult courses
>do zero programming at home
>no motivation to obtain internship
>poor programming skills and low intrests

You were never meant to be programmers. Go be the IT guy at a school and replace printer ink and other trivial tasks

>>59296233
>Learn about how to calculate the displacement field, and use the Hamiltonian operator
>Make linked list in C++ through my physics intuition.

>>59294334
Unfortunately he's probably telling the truth.

>be me
>parents struggling for money
>can't finish school/degree
>fuck it, i'll teach myself
>learn C then C++
>write a few shareware apps
>only make a few bucks
>write another one that hits a niche
>$45k sales that year
>HOLY SHIT I'M PROGRAMMER NOW
>keep teaching myself
>objC, .NET, SQL
>can't into full time
>do side contract jobs + shareware income
>help one place with mssql
>they just hired a UCR graduate
>fucker can't figure out how to write a loop in god damn vb.net
>mfw he has a well paid salaried position because "muh degree"

You have to understand that the world is full of stupid people. Management (and teaching) attract more than their share of stupid people. So at any given time in your life you are likely being judged by a stupid person.

And stupid people can only tick boxes on a check list. They can't actually evaluate skill, talent, knowledge.

At the moment I'm thinking of lying and claiming I have a degree just to see what happens.

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>>59296233
>tfw physics major minoring in CS

>>59289232
why not memset(arr, ' ', sizeof(arr)); instead of your three lines of for loop

>>59297656
No one will hire you to do physics because a physics BS means fuck all, and no one will hire you to program because taking Java I and II means fuck all.

>>59297524
>fucker can't figure out how to write a loop in god damn vb.net

No serious company would keep that person on the payroll for long. Any company hires and keep incompetent people is a sinking ship.

>>59297250
Anyone that can't implement a linked list is a fucking dolt. All the information you need is straight up in the name. It's fucking list, that's linked together. You ever used lists before? You've used links before? Good, you can fucking comprehend a linked list.

But there's so many fucking pajeets in CS now that literally can't even tell the difference between a toilet and a street that we're fucked.

So, the general consensus is getting a Bachelor at least while keep doing side projects in free time to have more real work experience?
Honestly I never have interest in doing Master or higher education but people around me keep pushing me into that

>>59298093
Do you have your Bachelor's? Do that before you decided about going further. I'm a year away from getting my BS, and I never want to step foot on a university campus ever again. It's not for everyone.

>>59298178
Yes I already had it but I was too lazy during those years which leads me into graduation on paper only ;-;

>>59298093
You should almost never go straight to grad school unless your career explicitly requires it (like a doctor or laywer), or you want to just be a parasitic academic for the rest of your life. In most other cases working for a few years is almost always a good idea, because you can gain experience, save money, and potentially get a job with an employer that will sponsor your graduate studies, which is especially true with engineering jobs.

>>59295796
I'm assuming it's just a random ass thing for a school project like is implied in the OP picture

>>59287632

function fuckingNiggaBitch(n,s){
    n=~~(n/2);
    for(var o=[],i=0;i<n;i++){
        o.push(" ".repeat(i)+s+" ".repeat(2*n-2*i-1)+s);
    }
    return [...o," ".repeat(n)+s,...o.slice().reverse()].join("\n");
}
console.log(fuckingNiggaBitch(9,"*"));

>>59287632

perl -e '$n=<>;map{@a=(" ")x$n;$a[$n-$_+1]=$a[$_]="*";print join "",@a,"\n"}1..$n'

>>59298631
>>59287632
Or maybe this:

var out="",N=5,count=N*2-1;
for(var i=1; i<=count; i++){
    for(var j=1;j<=count;j++){
        out+=j==i||(j==count - i + 1)?"*":" ";
    }
    out+="\n";
}
console.log(out);

>>59291909
Is she drinking horse sperm?

>>59287542
>Why even bother with a CS degree then?
I never went to get a degree. Its been a big problem for me.
I've been programming for years on my own, self taught myself in middle school. But nobody will let me have a job programming because I dont have that paper to my name. I've had a helpdesk job and I offered the senior guys to help them with anything but they declined. One time at this one helpdesk I was working at I tried hanging around the programmer and whenever he ran into trouble I'd offer suggestions and he'd think it was helpful. But still he couldnt offer me anything. Couldnt get above the level one helping idiots reset their passwords other retard stuff. I've had friends who got me interviews with CEOs but he still couldnt offer me anything, all because lack of that paper to my name.

>>59298951
Do you have a portfolio?

>>59298811
I really hope so.

>>59297736
>most companies are serious
>most companies are not sinking ships

>>59298983
>>most companies are not sinking ships

Was "El Capitan" a message? Did the captain sink with the ship?

asking for a friend

>>59298962
Main problem is I live in bumfuck literally where.
Talked to one of the IT recruiters and he said this city is tiny one of the smallest IT markets.

as for publishing a portfolio I'm usually very wary about putting my real name out on the net, but I got my name dot com and I'm starting to consider saying fuckit and putting some hobby projects on my website. But the problem with that is my hobby projects are stuff that doesnt hire people without credentials, but hopefully at least someone with any knowledge of tech could read the code and see its good.

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>>59291909
>>59298811
>>59298973
ayy lmao

>>59287542
There is no issue in that swapping function. Whoever made the picture is not very smart.

>>59294334
Don't feel too proud. We know you exist. We know your skills. You haven't fooled anyone. We know you're just smart enough to write documentation or implement something with heavy amounts of hand holding.

There's a reason why you're paid almost half of a senior engineer and why you never seem to "work on the cool shit". Your continued employment is simply because you're cheap and you haven't pissed anyone off enough to have you removed. You'll see what I mean when you're a 30+ year old engineer surrounded by 20 year old kids.

>>59287542
Thats why I'm studying EE, apart from the fact that everyone looks down on CS tards. It's the gender studies of STEM.

>>59299094
The dirty truth is most EE majors wind up working in software simply because it pays better and has more job opportunities.

You'll have a lower starting pay because we'll consider you starting with very little experience.

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>>59291909

Fuck you lad, why'd you get my hopes up like that

>>59299130
>>59291909
Disguting retard.

>>59299139

...are you on the right website pham? Back to Facebook lad

>>59299150
Fuck off, white knight

>>59287542
This actually inspired me to enroll in CS, thanks OP

>>59299174

??????????????????????????????

>>59297722
maybe he didn't want to include string?

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>failed first CS course cause I accidentally chose a online course by accident
>second course, actually learned some basics and how to read C++, didn't do enough work though, got a D
>have to take it again to get a transferable grade
>don't do any outside study and have little motivation
>failed pre-cal course first try
>know i'll only pass if I really really apply myself and make myself learn outside of class

I think I could definitely get through the CS courses, but I don't know how I'm gonna get all the way to Calc III. IT feels like a real barrier.

God i'm so scared. I don't know what to do with myself. [spoiler]I'd honestly much rather develop video games, but i'm not throwing myself into that hell of a profession.[/spoiler]

Am I fucked?

>>59299348
You don't have to worry about the hell of developing videogames because with skills like yours you will never get a job.

>>59299348
r u a grill

>>59299348
>"I'd honestly much rather develop video games"
>cant even do precalc

>>59299348
Dude, if you can't even do those basics, you will never get through CS courses. Calc III is fucking cake...well, if you can manage pre calc. CS courses have way more difficult math than memorizing how to integrate over some fucking cone intersected with a sphere.

>>59299348
people are going to shit on you because it's funny but you can do it. you don't need to be good at math to get a job in the real world. if you can push yourself to just pass those classes, even if you forget the stuff afterwards, you'll be fine. I failed calc iii twice. trust me. discipline yourself to work on it every day and you can do it.

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Who else fell for the 'self-taught' meme?

I don't wanna be a neet anymore.

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>>59299348
>tfw honours in all subjects
>tfw spent the entire week before the test getting black-out drunk and still got honours
>mfw brainlets suffering with the most trivial shit

>>59299501
That's what I am mainly worried about; how much math do I really need to know in a real position.

This Calculus is more of a barrier than the programming work. I like the programming, it's interesting. I went to college to learn how to understand programing, not this.

>>59299048
I got a dev job with only my portfolio of hobby projects using my real name. Why are you afraid of putting your real name online? All professionals do it.

>>59290702
Yeah 85 usd here in Slask

Plenty of practicals and actual real world problems to solve. Way better than the free Unis...

>>59299604
I just had a phone interview today. You know what they asked me? How to replace the vowels in a string in Java with underscores and how to combine some entries from SQL tables. This is for a $60,000 entry level developer position. I didn't even get either question completely right. Obviously I'm no master programmer. They're still flying me in to do an in-person interview.

If you're planning on doing machine learning for Google or something then yeah, you probably need to know Calculus really well.

If you just want a comfy and easy job, you will never need to know Calculus after you get your degree.

I've noticed that the most successful people I know aren't the smartest, they're the ones who got really good at one thing. So pick something and specialize at it. Learn a lot about web development, make a web site to show off your skills, get a web dev internship during your junior year, and when you graduate you can easily land a web development job no matter how bad your GPA is. Or do the same thing, but with iOS apps. Whatever you like. Just get that degree and specialize.

>>59299732
Flying in?
You're applying to companies out of state?
Do they pay for you to relocate there?

>>59287632
It can be a bit difficult depending on how you approach the problem. The trick is to sit down and think a bit before doing a solution.

If all your assignments have been obvious from the start you haven't learned that way of solving problems yet, then you're stuck. It's a neat way to illustrate a lack of problem solving skills. Not necessarily programming skills as such.

>>59299732
Thank you anon

>>59299759
If you are a neet applying for out of state isn't a bad idea. It's not like you have a lot of assets to begin with, and living out of your car and a 24 hour gym for a month isn't that brutal.

>>59299759
Yeah I'm applying to companies out of state, although I've had very low success rates with them. In fact, the only out of state company to give me an interview (the one I was talking about in my last post) posted the job on my university's job board.

Basically what I'm saying is you can apply to stuff out of state, it doesn't hurt, but you have a higher chance of getting an interview / job for stuff that's in state.

>>59287542

Yeah, but there's too many wannabe hackers who read a UNIX book and think that now they're good enough at software engineering to be be an engineer. Nine times out of ten it's some turd who thinks he's a SWE because he wrote some perl and ran netstat a few times.

Fact is, most people are better off with college.

>>59299934
>Yeah, but there's too many wannabe hackers
Where?
>Yeah, but there's too many wannabe hackers who read
Where?
>Yeah, but there's too many wannabe hackers who read a UNIX book
lolwat, WHERE?

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>>59299948

Do you not remember being 13 and interested in the matrix or Niel Stevenson books so you decide to do network security stuff and don't actually learn anything but play around in the developers console and write useless code.

I knew plenty of "coding" when I was outside of college, but never anything like huge external libraries, system files or DS+A. I wrote bad, poorly optimized code and still do, but college has definitely improved the amount of information I know about computers and the science behind them.

Fuck, I'm not going to sit down with a Linear Algebra book and just learn it. That's what coursework is for.

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>>59299977
>i'm going to pay tens of thousands of dollars to learn stuff I already have access to

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>>59300018

You're paying for the guidance, the equipment and making sure you can work together on group projects. Oh yeah, and I went to college for a year before I got an internship that paid more than my other job. Quick math: my job at the warehouse paid 16 an hour. My internship paid 22. I work an average of 35 hours a week. In two years I was making over 10k more per year and by the time I get out I'll get a job for at least six figures. Enjoy your sysadmin job or working for the fucking geeksquad.

"yo bro all the captains of industry are dropouts"

>>59300062
What's your job familia? If you don't mind me asking.

>>59300105

I model financial data for a midsize company.

>>59299107
I'm planning to go into infosec, already have certs, a small network of people who work in the field & an offer for a student job at a major financial service provider. So thats unlikely to happen.

>>59300105
he's the 30 year old junior developer

>>59300117

(and make applications and web-pages out of it)

>>59296042
Any tips for a unmotivated stoner that really needs to get back to school and actually succeed?

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>>59300171

Have you tried killing yourself?

>>59300179
Yeah, didn't work

>>59300018
>i'm going to pay tens of thousands of dollars to learn stuff I already have access to
>pay

Nice living in the land of freedom, isn't it

>>59297725
Physicists intro CS course is C at my school.
Literally harder than the CS intro CS course which starts with Python.
Physicists would ideally use FORTRAN if it wasn't dead language.
Physics is very useful for coding and data analysis, which is why a lot of Physics majors end up at Wall Street. Either you can run analysis on the data from the LHC, or the stock market hmm.

>>59300171
stop smoking weed.

Maybe do some acid, if you're into that. It's great or motivation.

Or some variety of ADD meds. SDRIs are pretty good for making you do the "right" stuff.

>>59288156
>>59287603
the only reason to get an education is to get papers. so it would be easier for you to get a job...

>>59287542
Fuck life in general

>>59287632
for every even number, n^2 stars with 3(n/2(n/2 - 1)) white spaces
for every odd number, n^2-1 stars with 3((n-1)^2) white spaces
You need to output n strings, with the floor length being FLOOR(n/2)+1 and the ceil length being n

I'll never write a single line of code for this kind of shit

>>59289224
>Why even bother with college if you can go it solo?
I can;t get a H1B without a degree :(

>>59299086
it needs to be a.set(i, a.get(j))

Right now it just sets the thing at index i to the index of the thing you were supposed to swap, not the actual thing itself

>>59304140
Just in case you still don't get it, imagine I have an arraylist of [10, 11, 12, 13] and I do swap(a, 0, 2);. It should swap the 10 and the 12 to give me [12, 11, 10, 13], right?

Well with his implementation it will set temp = 10; a[0] = 2; a[2] = temp or a[2] = 10;

So it will give me back the array [2, 11, 10, 13] instead of the expected [12, 11, 10, 13]

>>59304140
>>59304227
Not that Anon but thanks, I was initially confused as well. I just didn't see it until it was pointed out, I feel like it's easier to misread these mistakes than it is to write them yourself.

>>59298811
>Gay detected
First thing comes to your mind is sperm and not milk, faggot.

>>59287542
>You can graduate from a 4 year bachelor's of computer science program without ever learning how to solve problems with computer logic in any meaningful way.
You get out of a degree what you want. People who do this don't get everything out of the degree, while people who take on extra work and do some cool projects will be ahead of the other people. If it was mandatory, it would be harder to pick out the people who are actually interested in their field from those who just want to make money.

>>59287542
Because every assignment can be found online. Why write code when some guy dumped it on Stackoverflow or Github? Just change up the variable names, switch up if statements with ternary operators, add in a few helper functions and bam you're a CS grad.

>>59296055
If you don't get a fuckton of experience getting a job without a degree is gonna be hell.

>>59287542
>>59287632

def swap(array, pos1, pos2):
    array[pos1], array[pos2] = array[pos2], array[pos1]
    return array

def print_x(size):
    output = ""
    for y in range(size):
        for x in range(size):
            if x - y == 0 or size - 1 - y == x:
                output += "*"
            else:
                output += " "
        output += "\n"
    return output

Am I pleb tier?

>>59297524
A shame that often people who don't know a shit about program is in charge of hiring programmers.

>>59297524
What did you write that had 45K in sales?
I'm guessing it cost less than $45/copy.

>>59290770
Is this racist?

>>59287947
Infinite loop, nice one 'programmer'

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>>59307288
>Infinite loop
how'd you figure, niggure?

>>59296055
C++ will always require a "good degree", preferably with specialty in the topic of interest or just physics\Engineering because the scientifically minded will recognise and respect the minds of well educated physical scientists and engineers who program out of necessity. While games programmers like their programmers to have specialty of the role which they're trying to fill and experience in teams and tough projects.
Sounds like you'd find college boring as you're already ahead of entry level. But college is a good experience if you seek out the best parts, which is getting connections with competent people and learning more than just a craft.

>>59307683
Not him but at a glance I thought there was a risk of j not iterating properly. I don't know what language that is though (looks like C), but at least I didn't pay for 4 years of college to not know what language it is.

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>>59291909
holy shit

>>59309937
That's javascript you inbred moron

>>59309937
LOL