>AMD cucks gets BTFO >Start issuing death threats so tolerant

When will this hobo get a haircut?

b-BUT I NEED 100 FPS ON MY 60hz MONITOR NOT 95 FPS

>>59275386
>not aiming for 600FPS on 640x480 tourney resolutions

kys i bet you can't even pre-spot a incoming headshot pixel with your eyes

>>59275359
AMDtards are the scum of the earth

We need to wipe them all out for the good of humanity

>>59275440
You can start by wiping off the semen still stuck to your ass.

Explain how "I hope you get cancer" qualifies as a death threat. Are we just to infer that the commenter plans on giving the reviewer cancer somehow?

>>59275359
>intel shill
/our guy/

>you ans your family

>>59275359
Steve? looks more like Shlomo to me.

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>>59275359
He didn't do anything wrong.
AMD fans are just salty as fuck just like after bulldozer.

Steve gives us good hard data to use.
No other reviews actually do that.

>>59275359
If you're bitching about anything over 100FPS it's time to kill yourself. G-Sync/FreeSync won't help you.

>>59275359
>>59275440
>>59275642
He actually shows that Ryzen is very competitive in the professional market.

>>>/v/

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>>59275656
>this product that is more expensive may perform worse than something that costs less, but that doesn't matter since anything more than 100fps is pointless even though their are high refresh rate monitors out

>>59275642
This.

Fuck AMD and fuck any of the dumbfucks who buy into this shit

>>59275751
More expensive than what? If you're just gaming then you could go with the i7 but if you actually need to do work the 1800X is a better deal.

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>>59275751
>He thinks he can tell the difference between 95 FPS and 105 FPS

>>59275751
>Can afford high refresh rate monitors.
>Buys Amd

>>59275815
>can afford $500 CPU and 1080ti
>plays at 1080p

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>>59275803
>paying twice as much for worse performance

>>59275503
As someone with cancer i hope that everyone who throws that phrase around gets cancer.

>>59275825
You have no idea what you're talking about

Go ahead and try to drive any game at 1080p 144hz, good luck

>>59275825
There's no visible difference between 4k and 1080p to the naked eye, pure placebo.

>>59275834
>Buying quad cores
Pleb

>>59275846
Pretty sure a 980ti overclocked could run that, much less a non-gimped 16nm arch

>>59275834
You posted this in the other thread. Fuck off.

>>59275359
This is Intel's feminist frequency.

>>59275834
Only 4 cores, cpus are not just for games you child.

>>59275834
>no overclocked HT pentium

Kuso chart

>>59275834
According to your shiteating graph we should all be buying i3's. In other words, kill yourself.

>mfw all the links on his site go through viglink

is he the one posting these memes to get more clicks?

>>59275849
http://isthisretina.com/
There's a difference. For reference most people are around 24 inches from the screen.

>>59275849
Get some glasses.

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>>59275863
Oh really? Then explain this.

This is with a GTX 1080 at 1080p.

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>>59275890
>dual core

""""""""""""""death threats""""""""""""""

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>>59275879
>cpus are not for games

You're right, that's why I buy Intel

>m-m-muh gaymes
you have to go back
>>>/v/

>>59275890
How dumb are you? That's a CPU value chart. The i3 is one of the best values out there.

>>59275849

>>59275849
>There's no visible difference between 4k and 1080p

Most retarded post of the year award

>>59275928
Humm, so a overclocked 1080Ti which is a good 40% faster than a stock 1080 is already over 160FPS range.
Time to upgrade to a proper resolution I guess.

>>59275962
1080 Ti isn't even out yet and it's still not going to be enough for 144fps, although it will get close

Those are average FPS which means it drops below that all the time

what the actual FUCK is going on with all this youtuber 'beef'?

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spmbri

>>59275932
bedtime

>>59275985
Joker is an obvious sociopath

That fat fuck needs to be locked up

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>>59275940
>single threaded
Also you've been told to fuck off with this shit multiple times.

>>59275982
But a Titan XP is, and it's the same shit as a 1080Ti.

Minimum FPS can drop to five times lower than average, if you want your min FPS that lasts for 10 frames over 10 minutes over 144Hz then I welcome you to stay on 1080p for another 6 years.
Meanwhile I'll be playing at a proper resolution that doesn't suck on a 27" monitor

>>59276001
Photoshop is not single threaded

>>59275986
Fuck you intel shill.i hope you ans your family gets cancer.

>>59276015
Yup, explains the 6900k doing worse than a 7700k.

Can't even read his own chart cherrypicked chart, Jesus.

>>59276029
Look it up yourself, photoshop is not single threaded

>>59275946
>the only thing that keeps the pc market alive
>B-BUT GAYMEZ DONT MATTER, T-THEY ARE ONLY FOR C-CHILDREN
nice damage control

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>>59276013
You mean Titan X you complete moron?

Wrong yet again, look

Shit can't even hit average 125 fps, let alone solid 144

>>59276055
>the only thing that keeps the pc market alive are games.
You're literally underage if you think that. That mentality only occurred with the console generation. Circa 2000.

>>59276056
Did you just pull out one of the most graphical demanding games in recent history for your argument? Wouldn't that mean in other games it's running way over 126FPS?
Also that's not overclocked, and I find it hard to believe you'll see the difference between 139 and 144 fps

Higher resolution it is, enjoy your eye cancer.

>>59276099
139 are you blind?

Jesus AMDtards are so stupid they just start making up shit in their head

>>59275948
I have an I5 7600k it's awesome.

>>59276134
Yes it is

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>>59276095
>You're literally underage if you think that.
you just went full retard

>>59276129
No, that's a 10% overclock on the Titan, it can overclock much higher.

Now please continue raping your eyes.

1080p in 2017, jesus christ.

>>59275996
joker is a fucking amd shill. the fact he lied about his "overclocked" 7700k (which was actually downclocked) and also lied about his 1700 which was clocked higher than he claimed proves this.

hell, the guy wears amd merch in all his podcasts now

>>59276198
You're a pleb still stuck playing at 60hz

>>59276239
Yeah Joker literally sells AMD t-shirts. You can't make this shit up.

>>59276179
Gaming is not anywhere near the majority of the PC market. Workstation/business computers and servers far eclipse it.

>>59276247
Yup, enjoy your Call of Duty and fighters locked at 60FPS

>>59276277
It's ok, the human eye can't see past 60 fps right

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>>59276266

>>59276305
It also can't see above 95PPI either.

>>59276316
Lmao

What a punchable face too

>all this over computer part online reviews

Absolute, distilled and weapons-grade autism.

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>>59276316
fuck fat people

>>59276316
>>59276266
Lel. I'm just looking to the r1700 for the value and never really was with AMD till then but these fanboy plebs surely experienced the bulldozer.

>>59276270
>Gaming is not anywhere near the majority of the PC market. Workstation/business computers and servers far eclipse it.
no it doesnt, especially when companies no longer upgrade their systems as much anymore meanwhile an average gamer upgrades their hardware every year or so

YouTube reviewers are cancer

>>59275359
who is this greasy numale and why should I care?

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>>59275410
Stop making death threats

>>59276481
He's one of the best reviewers out there

I hope you get cancer

>>59276496
STOP MAKING DEATH THREATS

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>>59275844

woah, is that a death threat buddy?

>>59275844

jokes on you chances are we have cancer!

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>>59278260

>>59275386
>60hz monitor

why even fucking bother?

>>59275359
>claim to receive death threats
>"""""death threat""""" is just /b/-tier shitposting

>>592758shoyldnt you be dead how are you posting? I thought cancer was death and thus why telling some to get cancer is a death in the year of her 2017

>>59275849
>There's no visible difference between 4k and 1080p to the naked eye, pure placebo.
Yeah and a human eye sees in 30 fps.

>>59275359
> Implying that a guy that recorded a private conversation with the AMD rep just to use it later when he releases his biased hit piece on Ryzen didn't just make that up so he becomes a "victim"
> Implying theres no possibility Intelfags also make those threats pretending to be amdfags
> Implying that wishing cancer on someone == threatening to kill someone

>>59276431
this. you can read Intel's financials if you don't believe. Most of the revenue comes selling consumer grade desktop and laptops.

AMD holocaust when?

We need to round up all AMD fans and put them in camps.

>>59275535
totes pwnd

AMD fans are the Hillary voters of the technology world.

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>>59279546

>>59275948
i3 is also the most underrated chip intel puts out. I sold my i5 back when I needed money and started to use my i3 again and it's just a phenomenal cpu. sure i don't get all the performance my i5 got but it's fucking close enough that i don't give a shit.

>>59275359

>wishing someone gets cancer
>death threat

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>>59275359
Fake news.

>>59276316
Since when do the opinions of morbidly obese people mean anything?

>>59279546
you mean the opposite

>>59275375
fpbp

Every day I wake up and wish that AMD was dead

>>59279546
This.

Fucking losers, AMD also has a whole Red Team (COMMIES) thing going on

Fuck AMD, fucking commie degenerate fucks

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>>59279546

>>59275962
Assuming the benches leaked for it are accurate you've got an average of about 30% performance increase across the 3d mark benches. Assuming it scales linearly (it doesn't) you're looking at, with current generation AAA titles (The Division, Witcher, Deus Ex, etc...) maxed you can push 4k from 60-100hz, I'd speculate that you could bang out 1440 @ 144hz easily in a lot of titles though, and most everything at 1080p.

>>59276013
is right though, there are a lot of circumstances where you're going to get drops from marginal and imperceptible to frameskipping. Furthermore we're totally uninformed regarding the thermals which could pose even more issues with stuttering and frameskipping. I'd say it's unlikely, but there is a chance.

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>>59275359
>current year
>still intentionally bottlenecking CPU to show differences that mean nothing in real world scenarios

>>59275359
creates a video that amd told him to bench only on high resolutions
meanwhile pauls hardware comes out and he clearly shows the review guidlines of amd
he gets btfo for lying
creates another video to "explain" things and say that amd told him "to also" benchmark on higher resolutions

getting caught hands down for shilling and lying

cant get any better than this

>smelly hobo plays victim

I bet he supports fag adoption.

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>>59279546

>>59275359
>The grammar and spelling errors in the thread
POO

>>59281852
you mean having 600 fps on cs go while the server allows only 128 ticks isnt evidence of the strength of the cpu?

or the fact that we need to downscale to 360p to find a flaw on ryzen?

>>59275642
>good hard data
>wow.. witch 3 players at 1.5fps slower!
>bf1 plays at 5fps slower!
>what a fucking flop

No he is a shill

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Stop this anti AMD propaganda, or I will make you a death trips.

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>>59275359
I wonder who is behind this.

>>59282460
>dank 460

>>59275359
DESU he does good reviews usually, but not showing stats for overclocked r7s with SMT off seems really shady. Windows fucks up the SMT and in a lot of games turning it off gives the same improvement as overclocking the chip.

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>>59275359
The cutest tech youtuber!

>>59276239
according to the guy that showed two still frames
same guy that butthurt about joker trolling him on podcast

stop trusting youtube!

>>59275359
Intel false flag. With jews you lose.

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>>59282349

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>>59282349
here

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>>59282349
you

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>>59282349
go

>>59276239
wtf are you on about? You mean that tomb raider benchmark? Literally everyone knows that thing is really fucking inconsistent, you can run it 10 times in a row on the same system and get way different results every time.

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>>59282349

>>59283020
>DOOM
>OPEN GL
Holy fuck, you can't even make this shit up. literal paid shill.

>>59283086
Jesus christ AMD are the ones that hires shills you dumbfuck

You are probably one of them

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>>59282349
hmm

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Is Ryzen really that shit? Come on please don't let that be true. I really want an AMD build next year even though I just bought an i7 6700k skylake.

>>59283097
>"hey let's test this new 8 core cpu with open gl instead of vulkan, nobody plays doom with vulkan right?"
Fuck off shill.

>>59283184
>I really want an AMD build next year even though I just bought an i7 6700k skylake.
It's really that shit now. But it can change in a year.
Why the fuck are you worried about it now if you want to buy next year?

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>>59283184
>just bought an i7 6700k skylake
>just

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>>59283223
>Why the fuck are you worried about it now if you want to buy next year?
What if I want to build it within the year? I was thinking of doing it it much sooner but I am unsure...

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>>59282349
>muh gaymez

Does anyone know if ECC is actually confirmed 100% to work with Ryzen???

>>59283261
Just wait a year or two and get the thing that is good then. You have literally zero reason to rush a purchase right now. And always confirm if the upgrade is actually worth it.
Ryzen could be fixed up and be much better, who knowwwwws. But as it is right not, it's not worth it.

>>59283337
yes

>>59283350
It's only not worth it if you're a gaymer.
It's the best thing you can get if you do some actual work on your computer.

>>59283416
No it's not worth it for basically anything

I would only get it for a dedicated rendering/encoding machine

>>59283188
+10 points have been added to your AMD Red Team account

>>59283184
>Is Ryzen really that shit?

Yes

>>59283434
That's objectively wrong.

>>59283416
you don't need an 8 core $500 cpu to get work done if you are just talking about actual work like Word and other office applications

needing the best performance from a cpu for video encoding is pretty dumb since you have CUDA

>>59283416
the guy just bought a cpu
and your suggestion is "DUDE TOTALLY BUY RYZEN NOW" based on absolutely fuck all.
Where is the proof that he will have any use for it over what he already has? HUH? fucking shill.

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>>59283129
hmm, you still can't read your own graphs

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>>59283527
>you still can't read graphs
That would be you.
But then again, AMD shills are literally retard tier.

>>59275359
>when the CPU brand you buy is so bad you have to resort to death threats when people tell you how shit it is

amd children at it again

>>59275849
just like theres no difference between 720 and 1080p?

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>>59283689
There's literally no difference between 640x480 and 720p

>>59283662
These people are just like the libtards who are going nuts now that Trump is president

It's the election all over again

>>59283520
AMD shills literally get paid to promote Ryzen here, it's sad

>>59276056
There are two architecturally different titan x skus. People refer to it as the titan XP as an abbreviation for titan x pascal. This enables distinct differential between the maxwell titan x (titan x) and the pascal titan x (titan xp). Quit being a fucking sperg.

>>59283739
>AMD, can we bench with frame rates in mind like 144fps?
>100 fps? What do you need 60 fps for.
>Here is 30 fps 4K

>>59275359
literally /our boi/

intel dude grabbed him by the hair, bent him over and whispered in his ears

>keep the drama going if you want moar money, you gorgeous lill bitch.

then steve said
>yesssss

intel dude said
>shift the narrative

s.b.
>yessssssss

i.d.
>spin the facts

s.b.
>yessssssssssssssssss

i.d.
>destroy moar video cards

s.b.
>yesssssssssssssss

and then they came together.

>>59283602
>you still can't read graphs

conveniently reads only the graphs that marginally downplay product A against product C, when product A roflstomps product B (it's intended competition) where it really matters.

you are the retard, son.

AMDead is for poor "people".

>>59284767
AMD users aren't people

>>59284767
Good thing that there are about 100x more poor people than rich in the world.

>>59284796
Yeah what a great budget CPU Ryzen is

Oh wait >>59275834

>>59284809
Ryzen R7 is not a budget CPU, it's CPU that is outperforming 6900k and has more potential than 7700k

>CPU
>FPS

You do know, that if GPU has different utilization then FPS drops? That chart nor that review ever told you at what % GPU was on Ryzen and Intel.

>>59284839
It's a horrible CPU

>>59284846
Its best 8c CPU on the market, you can't find a better CPU.

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>>59284846
>one man
>against hundreds of shills
>posting
>for 6 days
>non stop
>no evil can stop this willpower

just explain this to me because i'm not very smart.
as things are right now this is the scenario:

Game @480p
7700k - 1200fps
1800x - 900fps

Game @720p
7700k - 600fps
1800x - 450fps

Game @1080p (lowest)
7700k - 300fps
1800x - 225fps

Game @1080p (ultra)
7700k - 150fps
1800x - 112fps

Game @1440 (ultra)
7700k - 70fps
1800x -70fps

I should I give a fuck to what you children are arguing over when I'm playing at 1440p ultra?

>>59284902
argument is longevity

but seeing how 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYH7eVp6r6I&t
this is a real thing

2. 7700K is at 99% utilization =>at the edge of it's abilities
3. at 1440p ryzen has no stutter, i7 does

i would assume ryzen going to survive longer

>>59284902
Maybe several years down the road when gpus are powerful enough to treat 1440p the same as 1080p today. But you'll likely move on to 4k by then, and still be sitting on a gpu bottleneck.

>>59284902
>1800x has power saving feature, that doesn't utilize PCI-e on max when CPU is lightly used
>GPU is utilized 30% less than on 7700k
>Results are 30% less

It's almost like it's GPU that renders this 3d.

>>59285002
Lel, the Titan is still a bottleneck even at 1440p, when the GPU gets powerful enough to handle 4k 144Hz you'll have 8k be mandatory and GPUs will be 3-4 times stronger than now.

>>59285002
exactly, the gpu IS the bottleneck.

Unless we're talking something to the tune of an old proc that can't feed the gpu well enough under real final user cases -- gaming in particular --, like a Phenom II, FX or older, the scores are normalized across every processor under these circumstances.

This just another mountain out of an ant hill to spread fud on yet another AMD launch. Even powergate had more substance than this debacle right now.

>>59284999
and that argument favors the 1800x undeniably.

>I hope you get cancer
>death threat
some raging fankid slinging stupid vitriol isn't "death threats".

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>>59283295
Man my 7zip is going to be BEAST MODE when I switch to AMD

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>>59285002
>Maybe several years down the road when gpus are powerful enough to treat 1440p the same as 1080p
GPUs are already powerful enough to see CPU bottlenecks beginning to form at 1440p, albeit very small ones. They will only grow in time.
>But you'll likely move on to 4k by then, and still be sitting on a gpu bottleneck.
He won't have a choice if he chose Ryzen and doesn't want a CPU bottleneck.
If only there existed a CPU for the same price as the 1700 that was more powerful in gaming, offering more headroom for GPU upgrades.

>>59285290
>same price as the 1700
this lie again.

steve burke is shilling for intel
jayz is shilling for amd

I didn't read hardOCP nor Anandtech reviews (I vowed to never touch them again) but I'm under the impression that they were among the most favorable publications for Ryzen.

bizarro world.
up is down, down is up. The end is nigh. This is probably the last processor we will ever see.

>>59285290
where is the one with SMT0?

>>59285290
You aren't going to notice a difference of ~5 FPS at anything over 60 FPS.

Some of these hardcore fanboys are livid af.

GN's review for 1800 indicated that it is NOT a sensible but IF you buy it solely for gaming, not because of performance but because the competition has a card that performs just as well WHILE being cheaper!

Yes, its meant to compare with the 6900k, but that's only considerable in production and working. That chip also has shit value for solely gaming.

Go back and look for the 1700 review: GN said it was the new king. And honestly, ryzen is a very new architecture: it will have to take times before any games start using it to the full potential. But that will take some times.

>>59285329
>This is probably the last processor we will ever see.
unlikely, with mad dosh amd gonna make from servers we will be set with radeons and zens for rest of our lives

>>59285338

SMT0 doesn't really matter when you leave both CCX units active Window Windows to spew shit between

>>59285290
>He won't have a choice if he chose Ryzen and doesn't want a CPU bottleneck.
the 7700k is near 100% utilization
the 1800x is chaotically ranging from 20-60% over all 16 threads (clearly a scheduler problem)

somehow your conclusion is in favor of the processor that is already near its limit. Care to explain?

>>59285382

I'm drunk

for Windows*

>>59283184
If by THAT shit you mean really exceptionally bad, no, it's not; it's just that it's still getting worse results in games than cheaper Intel chips. You aren't going to have that bad an experience with an OC'd 1700, but what's the fucking point when you can get something that outperforms it within the same budget?

>>59285355
not if the universe implodes way before h2 2017.

>>59275359
how is this a death threat? can the guy cast some voodoo spell to give him and his familiy cancer? if not I wouldn't be concerned at all

>>59285351
>GN's review for 1800 indicated that it is NOT a sensible but IF you buy it solely for gaming,


no my child, their review downplayed every single strong point from this processor, and focused primarily on it's weakest point. They even had the gall to flip the 499usd Ryzen's perf/dollar, which should go against broadwell-e 1k+, to rearrange it against the 300usd i7.

If that's not shilling, then nothing else is.

>>59285392
>the 7700k is near 100% utilization
>the 1800x is chaotically ranging from 20-60%
Are you referring to GN's benches? I can't find that information in the article.

>>59285350
>It's not that much slower!
And yet it's slower. For the same or better performance, I could get an i5. What is the rationale for paying the same as an 7700K for less? At the most common resolutions for users, noticeably so.

>>59285329

Favorability deviation correlates with mainboard and BIOS revision variance.

Give it a month and everyone should be on a similar page. This shillposting is ridiculous.

>>59285515
>I can't find that information in the article.
no, everywhere where utilization is shown it's at those stats, sometimes even lower for ryzen under 40%

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>Intel: patriotic, proudly made in the USA, support our troops, support our great president

>AMD: caters to SJW, release dumb videos about diversity, made in chinkland, support transgender bathrooms and illegals

>>59285586
>Intel: patriotic, proudly made in the USA, support our troops, support our great president
backdoors, drm on chip, has dedicated lgbt program in company makes packaging in islam malasya

AMD made in NEW YORK, packaged in atheist china

>>59285515
no. GN avoided anything that could even remotely give credence to the slightest possibility of Ryzen performing well as is or in the near future.

I think Joker was one the first to bring the CPU utilization to the limelight, and there several other following suit now. And the new meme that Ryzen is subjectively (but kinda for sure) smoother than kaby lake, which I believe was brought by Hocp.

>>59285586
>patriotic
their sole allegiance is to the AIPAC

>>59284999
>>59285232
>>59282978
>>59283000
>>59283020
>>59283041
>muh stutters
>muh undeniable Ryzen is best
Fuck off shills.

>>59275359
>i wish you get cancer
>threat
That's not a threat. Holy shit Americans are so thin-skinned. A nation of pussies.

>>59285674
>dude has a fabulous hair
do you really thought he would be thick skinned?

>>59285660
admit you were drooling all over frame pacing when it was putting the HD5xxx and HD6xxx under flak.

now that
http://techreport.com/review/31546/where-minimum-fps-figures-mislead-frame-time-analysis-shines
it's a non issue and a meme.

everytime, intel and nvidia shills change their primary narrative to their convenience. What used to be a grave fault becomes irrelevant after their rival not only fixed the issue, but delivered better results than their own version in that particular case.

fuck you. seriously.

>>59285810
not even perf/watt matters anymore. Now that Ryzen roflstomps Broadwell-E in that department.

I'm really praying for big bump in clock speeds on Zen+ to see what you guys come up with by then. Intel will most likely go more cores again, and by then frequency will become irrelevant in your collective opinion.

>>59285858
2018
>IPC what? it doesn't matter, our 20 core 40 threads @ 2.5ghz is where it's at.
>you fools think that your tiny 8c/16t processor at 5ghz is anything to brag about?

>b-but you used to say that 4 cores was enough...s-s-sempai.

>>59276316
i love how he calls his r7 review "an unbiased opinion" when he was struggling not to cream himself when he got it in the mail

>>59285810
fuck me, thanks man, someone actually wrote a proper article about this

>>59285586
Intel gives money to Feminist Frequency senpai.

>>59275849
The human eye can't see above 4 GHz

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>>59285586

>>59285810
Great, first you claimed it was great performance.
Then that you had higher minimums.
Then that even with lower minimums it's "smoother"
Now it's "well maybe there is less of those spikes
LETS COMPLETELY IGNORE that ryzens average is 7700ks minimum spikes, oh nooooo, you see there is less spikes so bla bla bla....
Jesus fuck how many times are you going to try to reframe it?
7700k has better max, min, averages, less spikes, more smooth at a higher fps and at a less price.
But that doesn't matter now does it, nooo you see what matters is that ryzen when you look at certain stats in a specific way with a healthy amount of delusion isn't "that shit"

Honeslty killyourself shitty shill.

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>>59285810
Literally your own shit proves that 7700k is superior in terms of smoothness as well.
And that is just one game, I dread to think how much 7700k blows ryzen out in other games.

>>59286247
it's like you've been talking to different people,wew
>>59286335
did you read the article at all?

>>59285290
If we're talking strictly gaming, the movement to parallelize game cpu loads is moving fairly quickly, (as compared to migration to dx11) in which the long run Ryzen would be the better buy. Both offer perfectly playable framerates as is, but there's a lot more headroom down the road with Ryzen. But if you're just looking for right now, gaming only, even an i7 is arguably unessecary.

I'd simply suggest anyone looking at upgrading to see what happens with bios updates for motherboards since there seems to be a distinct issue there. I'd also like to see benchmarks with smt off + overclocking, and even with a couple cores disabled to see if they can get worthwhile improvements in clock speed that way. As it stands, even dx12 and Vulkan titles really only scale up to 8 threads. Exceptions to this rule are far and few in between.

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>>59285810
>>59286408
Yes, I did you retarded faggot. It literally says 7700k is better.
http://techreport.com/review/31546/where-minimum-fps-figures-mislead-frame-time-analysis-shines/2
>That's interesting, we think. The Core i7-7700K produces a nice, fat dromedarian hump with most of its frames clustered to the right of the chart, while the bactrian Ryzen 7 1800X exhibits a seemingly-more-bimodal distribution. Not only is the Core i7-7700K faster, but its frame delivery is more consistent—and our frame-time data bears that out.

LITERALLY agreeing with my statement >>59285660
Ryzen is no more smooth than 7700k while having less fps to boot. AMDfags kill yourself.

>>59286544
Might as well start comparing 20 year old games too!

>>59286572
>GTA 5 is 20 years old
Trully amd shills live in another plane of existence called denial.

>>59286591
The speed of multithreading adoption has never been faster than it is now. GTAV might as well be 20 years old by how multithreading is implemented there.

>>59286591
>too

>>59286624
it all boils down to windows scheduler assigning tasks for one core creating bottleneck in all these analyses.

>>59286624
>but these game benchamarks don't matter
>which ones do matter
>the ones that paint AMD in a good light
>oh, which ones are those
>t-they will be released in 5 years :^) besides 20 year old games don't matter

Nice going shills, I truly am scared that you don't even understand how insane you sound. But I get it you are desperate otherwise you get fired.

>>59286702
>but these game benchamarks don't matter

That's right, you're on /g/. Gaymen is that way, kiddo, >>>/v/. Go discuss your gayme benchmarks there. Here we discuss actual usage for computing.

>>59286722
>market the ryzen cpus as gaming cpus
>fail at it horribly
>w-well games don't even matter you fat neckbeard
KEK

>>59286759
they are gaming CPU, they play games without a problem.

What the fuck is gaming CPU in your mind?

>>59276015
>>59276036
It is. And also is CAD.

>>59286774
7700k is a gaming cpu that has more performance than ryzen cpus and it's also cheaper than ryzen.
But hey I guess when your standards are "does the computer explode when I try to game on ryzen" then ryzen will be "fine" by your standards.

>>59286759
How they were supposedly marketed doesn't change the fact that your gayming bullshit doesn't belong here. Go back to >>>/v/.

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JUST

>>59286817
My standard for gaming CPU is simple
>Does it play games
if yes, gaining CPU
if not, not a gaming CPU

I just don't understand how is gaming different of any other FPU/ALU process.

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>>59286842

>8350 more popular than 6600k

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW /g/?

>>59286832
>market as a gaming cpu
>fail as a gaming cpu
>i-t-t doesn't matter!
AMD shill plz.

>>59286853
Okay I got a pentium 1 somewhere.....I will sell it to you for 2000 bucks. It runs games fine by your standards, it's a very good deal goy, I am sure you will agree.

>>59286887
Stop evading the fucking point, /v/tard. Your /v/ermin tier gaymen test have no place on /g/. Never had and never will have. They make no difference here. So better pack your images and head over back to >>>/v/ where you belong.

>>59286887
>Okay I got a pentium 1 somewhere.....I will sell it to you for 2000 bucks. It runs games fine by your standards, it's a very good deal goy, I am sure you will agree.
HYPERBOLIC AS FUCK

I told you
>I just don't understand how is gaming different of any other FPU/ALU process.
meaning I don't see how gaming is any different to any other application.

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AMD WILL KICK INTELS ASS!!!!!!!!

AMD THE BEST!!!

>>59286918
>Stop evading the fucking point
>evades the point that the cpu failed at what it was supposed to be good at
kek go about you go back to the poo in the loo and say there

>>59286931
>HYPERBOLIC AS FU
>I told you
>>59286853
>Does it play games
if yes, gaining CPU
if not, not a gaming CPU

By your own definition a 2000 dolar pentium 1 is fine and you wouldn't have problem buying it over say 7700k for 300.
Because if it runs games it's fine.
Performance doesn't matter, price doesn't matter.
All that matters is that it runs games.
>I just don't understand how is gaming different of any other FPU/ALU process.

>>59286967
>evades the point that the cpu failed at what it was supposed to be good at

It's majestic at everything multithreaded and wipes the floor with every Intel proc at the same pricepoint and even higher. It just so happens there's some bullshit in Windows that fucks up thread scheduling.
Don't worry, a patch will leave many jewtel fans in tears as they realize they've been duped even at lower pricepoints.

>>59275844
I am cancerkin and I am triggered.

>>59286994
>It's majestic at everything multithreaded and wipes the floor with every Intel proc at the same pricepoint and even higher.
You mean synetic benchmarks?

>Don't worry, a patch will leave many jewtel fans in tears as they realize they've been duped even at lower pricepoints.
I eagerly await this, in fact I will be the first one to get a ryzen if that happens, but until then it's a fact that it FAILED as a gaming cpu. The fact is they knew this but decided to release ryzen anyway.
"we will fix it later, buy it now" is for suckers.

>>59287048
>You mean synetic benchmarks?
Real world applications that actually benefit from multithreading besides stupid gaymes. I guess you've been metidating over the GTAV benchmark that you forgot that there's simply more stuff to computing than just gaymes. No worry, I understand you, you stupid /v/tard. Now get back to >>>/v/.

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>>59287087
>Real world applications that actually benefit from multithreading besides stupid gaymes.
Oh you mean like photoshop? Or let me guess theeeese "real world applications" don't count because they don't paint amd as the winner.

>>59287123
Why is a $1000 Intel CPU performing worse than another $300 Intel CPU? What is Intel up to?

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>>59287123
amd shills on suicide watch

>>59287123

Why do you keep posting out dated benchmarks?

>>59287123
I'm pretty sure it is autism at this point. He is not even getting paid for this.

>>59283602
>7700k runs HIGHER frames by default and because of that has higher drop
>Frame rate drop in %
I got cancer

>>59287123
>>59287147
>literally a 30 year old grandpa program touted as the best comparison for performance

wew and I thought /v/tards can't get more braindead

>>59276316
thicc

>>59287151
next you are going to say that photshop is like 20 years old or something....

>>59287166
yeah amd shills could take a 10 fps ryzen and compare it to a 500-1000fps intel and say
Ryzen is smoother because it's doesn't even drop 1 frame meanwhile intel drops 50% of its frames

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Intel will never have real competition, will they?

>>59286759
>market the ryzen cpus as gaming cpus
[citation needed]

>>59287247
Their high end $1000+ server tier cpus are getting fucked hard.

>>59287206
>yeah amd shills could take a 10 fps ryzen and compare it to a 500-1000fps intel and say
>Ryzen is smoother because it's doesn't even drop 1 frame meanwhile intel drops 50% of its frames
No fuck off. I have enough of retarded Intel shills using that chart while all it shows is proper behaviour of CPUs with idle cores used for streaming and that Ryzen sucks at running Dota 2.

7700k has a big drop in FPS there and virtually anything CPU bound or close to being CPU bound will exhibit the same behaviour because you will need to share CPU resources with both gaming and streaming.

>>59275359
Now intel shills pretend to be amd shills too? Damn, intel shills just reached another level of retardedness and screeching.

>>59287123
Real world applications like 7zip you dense motherfucker. Half my day at the office is literally spent waiting for 7zip to complete. Thank you based AMD for allowing me to get some actual work done for a change.

unrelated to the bickering question
how does number of drawcalls/pcie lanes load scale with resolution?
one would assume it is higher?

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You faggots better thank me, I just bought the r7 1700, I could have got the i7 7700k instead, but I wanted to support amd so you guys can shitpost on amd's next bulldozer 3.0!

>>59287249
oh here we gooooo again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAMijA3uvsw
There is more videos where they say Ryzen is THE gaming cpu of 2017, but too lazy to find it right now.

>>59287266
>No fuck off.
How about you fuck off? I have provided proof time and time again to countless shill posts that say "ryzen is just better, believe me, just buy it"

>7700k has a big drop in FPS there and virtually anything CPU bound or close to being CPU bound will exhibit the same behaviour because you will need to share CPU resources with both gaming and streaming.
Funny you should mention that. reffer to picture here >>59283602
It literally has worse performance both when streaming and when not streaming.

>>59287379
the difference is literally 1ms, you did good

>>59287381
Ryzen does x265 encoding better, what are you talking about.

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>>59287123

https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-linux-benchmarks-zen-buy/

>>59287379

Thank you, brother. Stay strong.

>>59287381
>How about you fuck off? I have provided proof time and time again to countless shill posts that say "ryzen is just better, believe me, just buy it"
No, you post the same bullshit in every thread and plug your ears on actual arguments.
>It literally has worse performance both when streaming and when not streaming.
It literally has better performance when playing Dota, that's it.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1561-shadowplay-vs-fraps-vs-gvr-recording-benchmark
This is how you check gameplay recording for example, you're interested in % impact on the frame rate and preferably a few games tested. Look at i7-6950x for example, it doesn't lose any frames. That's the proper behaviour of CPUs with idle cores, i7 isn't one of them.

>No, you post the same bullshit in every thread and plug your ears on actual arguments.
Your "arguments" are to make excuses, get proven wrong, backpedal into a corner and then say "fuck off back to /v/"
Strong case there my amd shill.

>It literally has better performance when playing Dota, that's it.
Yeah, it has better performance while playing dota 2 and it has better performance when streaming.
Literally better in both cases than ryzen.
>b-but ryzens fps doesn't drop as much
That's because it was shit to begin with. Again the 7700k has better fps both the minimum and the average in both cases, while streaming and while not streaming.

>http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1561-shadowplay-vs-fraps-vs-gvr-recording-benchmark
This has nothing to do with cpu performance, it a comparison of recording SOFTWARE.

>>59287561
HEY /v/igger, why is Ryzen kicking ass in 7zip?

>>59287561
>Yeah, it has better performance while playing dota 2 and it has better performance when streaming.
Fuck off. You're specifically streaming Dota 2 there and hope to cover the fact of 4 core CPUs having FPS drops during streaming due to no idle cores by saying stupid shit about the normal FPS.
>That's because it was shit to begin with. Again the 7700k has better fps both the minimum and the average in both cases, while streaming and while not streaming.
WRONG. % drops should remain the same whether you have 50 or 100 FPS. If you take it like that all you're doing is saying that Ryzen sucks at playing Dota 2 and even i7 with shitty streaming is better.

Ryzen will not drop frames compared to original frame rate when streaming just about anything, i7 will.
>This has nothing to do with cpu performance, it a comparison of recording SOFTWARE.
Holy fuck, the point of that comparison is to compare streaming/recording performance of actual HARDWARE solutions on the GPUs for encoding and Fraps doing it off CPU thrown in there. Look at how they use streaming FPS/original FPS there to say that hardware is good.

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>>59287613
>ryzen marketed as a gaming cpu
>fails as a gaming cpu
>but it does good in 7zip
>ryzen the 7zip cpu of tomorrow
My fucking sides

It's also funny how when gaming is concerned then ryzen is "good enough" even though ryzen is quite behind the 7700k.
But when 7 zip is concerned and ryzen is 36% ahead of 7700k, AMD declare 7700k unusable for 7zip.
Nice double standards, but then again you only care about things that paint your ryzen in a good light.

Why are gaymers so pathetic?

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>>59287679
It's also funny how 6900K $1000 CPU is lagging behind 7700K. Gee, what do you say about this jewtel shill?

>>59287676
>Fuck off. You're specifically streaming Dota 2 there and hope to cover the fact of 4 core CPUs having FPS drops during streaming due to no idle cores by saying stupid shit about the normal FPS.
Except intels 4 cores did better than ryzen while steaming and while not streaming.

>WRONG. % drops should remain the same whether you have 50 or 100 FPS. If you take it like that all you're doing is saying that Ryzen sucks at playing Dota 2 and even i7 with shitty streaming is better.
kek, "it doesn't matter that we have worse performance, we have lower drops, we have very stable 10 fps, while intel can drop 500fps out of 1000fps.

>Ryzen will not drop frames compared to original frame rate when streaming just about anything, i7 will.
Ryzen will also perform worse both when not streaming and when streaming compared to the i7.

>Holy fuck, the point of that comparison is to compare streaming/recording performance of actual HARDWARE solutions on the GPUs for encoding and Fraps doing it off CPU thrown in there. Look at how they use streaming FPS/original FPS there to say that hardware is good.
I am sorry amd shill but your ramblings have no point to them. You either produce clear results or you fuck off, claming vague shit that doesn't matter is not going to win you any sales.

>>59287725
First I am not a jewtel shill.
Second I would say get the 7700k since it's obviously better at the task than 6900K.
I am not a fan of either shitty intel or retarded AMD shills. What ever shows better performance for a good price and delivers on it's promise is the thing people should get.
If the positions would be reversed between ryzen and intel right now I would be pointing the same shit if there was many retarded intel shits shilling.

>>59287762
>Except intels 4 cores did better than ryzen while steaming and while not streaming.
They did better... in Dota2. Literally all you've been posting is that i7 has superior performance in Dota 2. Video games aren't Dota 2, Streaming isn't streaming Dota 2.
>kek, "it doesn't matter that we have worse performance, we have lower drops, we have very stable 10 fps, while intel can drop 500fps out of 1000fps.
Why don't you run 7zip with [video game] in the background and then after seeing Ryzen get faster time in 7zip say that Ryzen is better at video game?
>I am sorry amd shill but your ramblings have no point to them. You either produce clear results or you fuck off, claming vague shit that doesn't matter is not going to win you any sales.
How's that of any relevance to what you quoted? You didn't even know that Shadowplay is a hardware encoding solution. See how professional reviews do it? Why don't you do it like adults do?

>>59287835
oh, I get it, you ran out of arguments so you are just shitposting now. Okay

>>59287835
>Shadowplay is a hardware encoding solution.
Or specifically whatever the encoding bits on Nvidia were called that are used in Shadowplay software.

>>59287861
Have you reached your daily shillpost limit?

>>59286994
M$ postponed last patch tuesday without any explanation.
It's likely that it would have carried win 10 Ryzen ready/compatible scheduler and possibly other miscelaneous optimizations ahead for its launch.

I wonder who could be behind it?

>>59287048
Intel shills have been creaming themselves over super pi and w-prime when intel was ahead by 50% or more.

Now they are useless shit and do not represent real world scenarios.

The cutest thing among all is that used to love compressing encoders of all kinds as well. Now they hate them.

Productivity also doesn't matter anymore. Only gaming serves to prove the real value of cpu's in the Year of our Lord 2017.

>>59286759
amd clearly states r7 is going against broadwell series

net shills see this and instantly erases the broadwell series and only creates the gaming series which only have 7700k

then they castrate every bench intel was traditionally good because now amd is fucking them hard on them

and now everything that matters in the whole IT world is GAYMES and especially GAYMING at 360p 480p and 720p resolutions of the tomorrow™

meanwhile when you talk about productiving they constantly bring photoshop that is more serial in perfomance than a serial I/O and autocard on which god knows how toms hardware did a 2d bench on 2016 autocad since autocad doesnt support 2d anymore since 2014...

cant imagine we will see when naples comes..

OHHHHH!!!!11111 HPC DOESNT MATTER CAUSE THEY CANT GAYME AT ALL

OH AMD HAS X10 TIME MORE RAM ON THE SAME BRACKET THEREFORE THEY ARE CHEATING

MAN AMDRONES ARE SO RETARDED COMPARING A 128 PCIE GEN 3 CPU WITH A XEON WITH LESS THAN HALF OF THEM !!!111

>>59275359
That's not a threat.

>>59288190

Wouldn't be the first time given MS basically refused to support bulldozer for an entire year upon its release. Even when they did patch the scheduler iirc they never actually pushed the update downstream - you had to get it from their website. They did roll it into win8 but by then it didn't matter.

>>59288307
intel was sued, how come MS wasn't?
these days even google gets fined for slightest misstep though

>>59288360
kinda hard to do the same on windows 10 since they are basicly forcing every update...

>>59287381
the 7700k wins only at low res gaming under 99% load against Ryzen at 50% load while it loses at every other becnhmark (except exclusively single threaded ones).

Somehow it's still clearly and undeniably, unarguably, kys faggot if you dare think otherwise, absolutely the best processor under the sky right now.

yeah right.

>>59288394
w7 having 17% more fps kind of worrying sign

and its annoying procedure to install w7 with am4 boards

7700K vs 1800X

>$200 cheaper
>7% faster clock-for-clock
>Can run RAM up to 4266MHz easily
>Can overclock to 4.4-4.8GHz very easily with little voltage
>Z270 is more mature, more stable and has more nice features

Ryzen is dead on arrival.

>>59288280
What intel shills used is none of my business.

>Only gaming serves to prove the real value of cpu's in the Year of our Lord 2017.
Ryzen was marketed as a gaming cpu and failed at that.

>>59288301
cant imagine we will see when naples comes..
It's not marketed as a gaming cpu so I don't see that argument being used there.

>>59288437
newflash - nobody is talking about 1800x

>>59288360

>intel was sued, how come MS wasn't?

What Intel did was on a considerably larger scale. MS basically got away with it by saying "coding be hard yo".

>>59288468
I'm comparing flagships.

>>59288399
It costs less and gets 90% of the work done of a 1800x and then blast processes it's way to alpha status in lightly threaded software.

You can have your 7zip accelerators, I'm happy with best all around performance.

>>59288452
>it's been marketed as a gayming cpu
>so only gayming benchmarks of 6 year old single threaded games matter

You can't get more retarded than this, anon. If gayming is your only priority please consider fucking off back to >>>/v/. You are a cancer and a blight upon /g/. You have no place here, so go.

Ryzen wins solely because it's such a huge performance increase of their last pile of shit, I'm actually proud of them even if they're pretty behind. Intel has barely made any noticeable advancements in years.

>>59288491
7700K is not a flagship.

>>59288492
why should anyone upgrade when 2500K is just a few fps below 7700K? There is absolutely no reason with how slow Intel delivers on performance increases. 2% IPC increase? You'd be an idiot to spend $300 on that.

>>59288501

Remember when the very first demo of zen at the new horizons event was in gaming? Oh wai-

>>59288516
It is for the consumer.

>>59288491
isn't the $1400 6950X Intel's consumer flagship?

>>59288532
anything i7 is for consumer.
xeon is for enterprise.

>>59288536

Yeah but /g/ can't afford it so it doesn't count.

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>>59288527
>why should anyone upgrade when 2500K is just a few fps below 7700K

lol keep dreaming faggot and this is the i7 2600k which is even stronger than the 2500k

>>59288530
>gayming this gayming that
>oh hey gayming this

Easy to find /v/tards like you. They can't come to courage to use the word gayming, it would insult their adolescent hobby. Screw off.

>>59288452
amd never marketed it as a gaming cpu they say its good on gaming

99% of their benches where against 6900k 6800 and 6700
kinda hard to market it for gayming only while going hard for the top line of intel..

>>59288546
Ok. Ryzen isn't for enterprises. It's for consumers and prosumers.

>>59288536
It's the prosumer flagship.

Ryzen 1800x is 499
7700k is 349

the highest priced AM4 mobo right now is the MSI Titanium fo 299 (newegg), while most are in 160-220 range. The highest priced z270 mobo is 728 (maximus ix extreme amazon), while most are at the 220-350 range.

the combo with the most expensive mobo for Ryzen comes up to 798
the combo for the most expensive mobo for the 7700k comes up to 1077

Ryzen is now a lot cheaper than kaby lake.

>>59288532
are we fooling our selfs now...

there isnt a consumers flagship flagship is flagship and broadwell e along with x99 is as good a consumer can get so stop moving the goalpost

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>>59288569
>amd never marketed it as a gaming cpu

EXTREME GAMERS BRO

>>59288576
>prosumer
lmao
i honestly can't take you seriously if you use that term
besides, being dedicated for X group of people doesn't stop it from being the flagship

>>59288501
>>59288569
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAMijA3uvsw

>>59288556
What's the point of over 100fps? Most gamers have 60p monitors so that 40fps is fucking useless and a money waste when 2500K gets 70fps. 2500K is perfectly fine in 2017. Intel is jewing everyone by offering 2% IPC increases.

>>59288606
Basically you're a poorfag with a shitty 60Hz monitor that can't afford the best.

:^)

>>59288568

No. Tje first public showing (as well as all other public showings) of zen heavily featured the zen being pitted against the 6900k in synthetic/workstation related workloads. Like blender and cinebench. The gaming thing was never hyped up beyond "look, we can do it too!" (hence why they kept demoing at 4k).

>>59288606
look, if you can afford a top of the line processor you can usually also afford a high refresh rate monitor

>>59288605
Funny how, AMD themselves market Ryzen R7 to be beaten by 7700k.

>>59288556
show bf1

>>59288637
What's the point if he already has a 2500k? Intel offers no reason to upgrade.

>>59288586
and on reasonable combos (well, the MSI titanium isn't actually that ridiculous) you would come up with several combos where the 1800x is still cheaper.

On newegg the highest priced z270 is the aorus gaming 9 for 499, which comes up to 848 for the combo.

>>59288605
yeah is this marketing as a gaming cpu? oh wait the literally next video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xIRsx4O6WI

who would have knew why shills dont post this

>>59288637
>>59288620
>the best
>top of the line
>a fuckin 7700K

A $300 CPU has never been top of the line. High end consumer CPUs ALWAYS come at $1000 or so. $300 is midrange at best. Poorfag choice and a money waste. 2500K is absolutely fine for gaming. I've not seen a single benchmark where that wouldn't be the case.

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>>59288658
Sure.

>>59288620
>>59288637
i7 7700K doesn't even reach 144Hz in the game you're trying to advertize. What's the point even?

>>59288586
>>59288668
So the argument that the 7700k is a bargain when compared to Ryzen is kinda relative.

>>59288708
Since when did CPUs run in Hz?

>>59288661
switching to a more recent and well equipped platform
lower power draw
more performance, especially outside of muh bideo ganes

>>59288683
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_C5zTZKvRs

drops dem frames.

>>59287048
I would buy too but I see not reason, and the worse thing it's a "workstation class" with barely 16pcie lanes and that can't even run ddr4 3000 nor have quad channel memory. In fact ryzen is an almost big Intel almost small Intel, it's like some of both but fail to deliver. It's a sort of cheap mutant

>>59288728
>lower power draw

barely

>>59287321
>Nice job what you do son?
I'm a 7zip analyst

>>59288728
You won't see appreciable differences in most other tasks either and if you would you're not buying a mid range CPU

>>59288743
>the definition is: grasping at straws

>>59288712
yeah if the 7700k was the top of the line you might have had a point

but on the real world the one that intel actually milks their customers 6900k and above is the absolute top of the line

and to that regard 7700k compared to them is literally a garbage because they cant do shit compared to them..only GAYming

thus coming back to ryzen on which it is on par with 6900k and some times beats it ..

so if 7700k is a total fail compared to 6900k and ryzen is the best option between 6900 and 1800x then you cant argue that 7700k is a bargain to r7 since its literally a cpu made for gaymes and gaymers

>>59288739
What frame drops? Looks like it always hangs at 80 or more, besides the vsync at the start.

>>59288726
I'm making mention of 144Hz monitors. i7 7700K can't reach 144fps so what's even this arguing about high end gaming or even suggesting to go upgrade to this? Between 60Hz and 144Hz there's nothing in between (besides cum crusted CRTs) so 2500K running at 70fps is absolutely fine compared to 7700K. Come back when midrange Intel CPU delivers 150fps or so. Then you can suggest it as a replacement for 2500K. Until then gg.

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>>59288698
why not post god all mighty HAIR GN benchmark?

it's like you try to cherrypick or something

>>59288301
Competes with broadwell
>Dual channel
>16pcie lanes

Try harder

>>59288812
So Ryzen is literally Bulldozer all over again.

>SURE RYZEN MAY BE SHIT FOR GAMES BUT THINK ABOUT ALL THE WORKSTATION STUFF YOU CAN DO!

>>59288827
look at rendering times breakdown

>>59288743
well, their true enterprise class processor will have octa channel memory and 128 pci-e lanes (64 per chip).

>>59288830
Because Computerbase has been around since 1999 and are affiliates with Intel, AMD and NVIDIA whereas GamerNexus is managed by some fat nerd in his basement.

>>59288842
if 6900K didn't exist, you might've had a point

>>59288842

yeap totally ryzen beats 6900k in most cases

ITS SHIT

ryzen has better efficiency

ITS SHIT

ryzen has a gazzilion of problems and yet is 5 to 7% behind of the muh 7700k

ITS SHIT

ryzen actually can do something else than GAYMING

ITS SHIT

noticed a pattern here? i could swear that intell shills with so much shit they sould be indians

>>59288842
Yeah pretty much except Ryzen and AM4 has more bugs than Bulldozer ever did.