/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

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EVERYONE POST YOUR IDLE/LOAD TEMPS

THIS IS NOT A DRILL

T420 45/75 C HERE

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What is the most aesthetic ThinkPad and why is it the T530?

>>59242740
The new keyboard looks like shit

>>59242668
T420 quad core here

~40c/~80c, cpu fan turned off until 50c

>>59242668
t530 with drop in i7 3720qm
idle 45 degrees
prime 95 load low 90s

Stupid question here. Is it safe to remove individual keys in a t430 keyboard with backlit to clean them?

7th for thinktrap, and for hoping that he uploads more videos

>>59243108
Wouldn't recommend trying to pop keys out of any laptop keyboard desu. Just remove the keyboard and shake the shit out of it, and surgically go under the keys with cotton swabs.

>tfw you buy an ssd for your memepad and it has coil whine

So I heard that using the computer plugged in at 100% battery is bad, what about at 80%?

>>59243250
Nigga just like set the battery stretches nigga you dumb or what ahahaha

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Does anyone think that they're trackpoint-ly ambidextrous?

When I'm eating/fapping with my right hand I feel just as comfortable and capable using the trackpoint with my left.

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>>59242740
>>59242810
Just got one for $180

If the keys are shit can I pop a T510 keyboard on?

>>59243504
Yea. I prefer to use my left hand though.

Wanting to buy my first thinkpad here, going for a x220 or T420, is ebay the best place to look for one or are there any other good sellers?

Does anyone have experience with chinese thinkpad batteries? Do they work as advertised? Can they cause any harm?

>>59242668
T420 i5
Idle: 39~40
Load: 75

>>59242668
X220 i5-2520M
50-54
88-90

>>59243953
>>59244041
>>59242912


are y'all niggas running tpfancontrol?


god damn what the fuck is wrong with Lenovo, how hard could it be to just release a bios with a higher active trip point?

the jews did this.

>>59242547

Second year uni and I deal with a lot of work on my computers. I use my x61 on campus but it really doesn't have the power I need. How better off would I be upgrading to the X220?

>>59244278

make it a x230, the hd4000 is 2x better.

>>59244248
No i'm running macos, modified the SSDT with the temperatures to turn off/automanage the fan.

>>59244299

Is it substantially worth the extra cash? Kind of got to keep the wallet tight.

>>59244329

if you dont give a shit about x230 being 2x better at gaymen then a x220, then it's not worth it.

>>59244329
Compare CPU and GPU benchmarks and figure it out for yourself. The difference is substantial enough given the price, but nobody here knows your personal needs or exact prices for your local market.

>>59244383
>2x
>citation needed

>>59244383

>gaymen

I don't game.

Im sick of cunts shilling the x220 over the x230 where i live they are priced near identically and a x220 keyboard can be fitted onto the x230 with no issues at all with an embedded controller flash. There is legit no reason to buy the x220 over the x230 you get slightly worse battery life with 40-50% worse iGPU performance.

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If you had to choose between a Dell Latitude and a Dell Precision, what would you pick and why?

good screen recorder for t420? Looking for a very basic yet lossless software. just displaying information

>>59243695
You can but it will require modifications to the connector and a BIOS flash. Besides, if the keyboard feels like shit it's probably worn. The key mechanism is exactly the same as on previous models. It's just the layout that has changed.

>>59245188
OBS

>>59243504
I'm right handed but I use it with my left hand.

I also masturbate with my left hand. Funny story actually. When I was 13 I noticed a slight bend to the left in my dick (which is really minimal and completely normal as I now know). This got me worried. I though it came from masturbating with my right hand so I switched to the left to correct it. Now I can't use my right hand anymore.

>>59242668
T500 with c2d p8600
>40c - 70c
ati 3650
>50c - 96c

>>59245226
STOP FUCKING WATCHING ME WHAT THE FUCK HOW DO YOU KNOW MY LIFE GET OUT OF MY THREAD GIVE ME BACK MY DICK AND MASTURBATING METHODE THANKS I WAS THE FIRST

>>59245583
I could say the same thing about you. Is this for real?

>>59245652
i invert my left hand so we prob differ there

if not. watch ur back cause theres only room enough for one of us in this world

>>59245652
>>59245583
>>59245226
LMAO WTF same thing happened to me. I remember reading that your right side of your body is slightly larger than the left side. Maybe that happened to our dicks. I worried about right handing too much but I never switched and the bend didnt get worse. I've also had friends who are lefties say that theirs bends to the left too, so maybe its just pretty common.

I'm trying to install debian on my t420i and I'm struggling. What's a Linux build that would install seemlessly with the og hardware?

>>59245803
Ubuntu. It's the answer to everything. It's the only Linux Distro that's worth considering.

>>59245803
Fedora

>>59245832
No

>>59245875
But it is. It's the only useful distro currently available.

>>59245803
>>59245832
>>59245848
>>59245875
>>59245891
They're all the same fucking thing with different paint.


Google Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu and of course Ubuntu.

Try them out and see which you prefer, they'll all work flawlessly

>>59245949
Well I'm in a pickle now. I had already wiped my drive for debian and have no OS or live USBs ATM. Anyway to install Ubuntu straight from ISO without using something like Rufus? I downloaded it with my phone

>>59246244
order an install media with your phone

>>59246244
>not having at least 2 working PCs
What the hell are you doing on /g/ then?

You won't be able to install from your phone. Could you tell us what exactly your problem is with Debian? Maybe we can troubleshoot and make it work.

>>59246244
Dude, you don't wipe your hard drive and try to install an OS you have never installed before without having at least one backup computer to fix shit in case something goes wrong.

>>59246353
Nvm using drivedroid app

>>59243918
> Does anyone have experience with chinese thinkpad batteries?
Yes.
> Do they work as advertised?
Almost never.
> Can they cause any harm?
Having disassembled quite a few, several were big shorts waiting to happen. That said, I've not had one cause actual harm.

>>59245949
Do I need to "install third party software" when setting up Ubuntu gnome?

Anyone have an old X series (X40, X41, X60 etc) that I could masturbate to?

>>59246917
Depends. Do you want to play proprietary media formats (MP3, MP4 etc)?

>>59246921
Well I finished install but it doesn't do anything after I restart. Just staring at a black screen

>>59247116
What does that have to do with third party software? Sounds like there's something wrong with the installation.
Do you see GRUB?

>>59247128
It asked me if I want to install 3rd party so I clicked yes. All I see is a blinking white cursor at top left of screen. I'm gonna just give up and cry in the corner till my mom gets home from the strip club

>>59247140
Third party software has nothing to do with this. This option is there to enable playback of proprietary media formats.

What's really important: BEFORE you see a black screen, does the GRUB menu show up?

>>59247140
Hit
>CTRL+ALT+F1
and tell me what happens

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>>59247180
Nothing happens. This is all I see after installing on my 250 GB m2

>>59247220
>>59247194

>>59242547
>Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).


No


Fuck off

>>59247227
Nothing happens. If I press right after it restarts I just get taken to bios screen

>>59247243
You're not OP so you should fuck off. Nigger.

>>59247250
Reinstall Ubuntu. I guess GRUB is installed to a wrong partition. It's fixable but that's complicated. Did you set the partitions up yourself when you installed Ubuntu?

>>59247261
I'll have to give up for tonight. I've tried twice. Both times I selected wipe entire drive for encrypted install but always get same problem. I just don't want to go back to Windows 7

>>59247296
If it has failed several times, you might have faulty a faulty installation medium.
Here >>59246244 you said you used Rufus? I've had problems with that before. You should use Universal USB Installer.

>>59247334
>faulty a faulty installation medium.
I don't know what I did there but you get the idea. If you don't have a backup computer you're shit out of luck.

>>59246244
drivedroid if you have a rooted android phone

otherwise, win32diskimager

or dd on macOS

rufus ain't for linux

Does anyone know what are proper idle temperatures on an x220 so I have a point of reference?

>>59247419
45C-50C from my experience. Depends on air temperature.

I'm thinking of buying second hand x220 for college.
CPU: Intel i5-2520M
RAM: 8Gb DDR3
HDD: SATA 250Gb
VGA: Intel HD Graphic 3000
It's 195 euros, so 205 dollars.
Do you guys think it's worth the price?

>>59247727
That's a good price for Europe. I paid 250€ for mine with the same specs except it has 4GB RAM.

I have some money to splurge on my x230 still undecided to go with:
dock + 120gb msata ssd
or
240gb 2,5 ssd.
Kinda leaning towards the first option for practical reasons though.

>>59247727
Not bad if it's in decent shape.

I paid 245 for a thinkpad that was in very good condition except the keyboard, which had 1 broken key retainer. It had the same specs except for a 128gb SSD.

>>59247798
Does the mSATA port on the x230 support SATA III or II? I would go for the first option then later on grab a (more easily available) bigger SATA SSD later on.

It's a shame that I didn't research it further and got an x220 instead of an x230 and that mSATA port is limited.

>>59247727
Actually not that bad. I paid around 170EUR for the same, but i got very lucky here in Denmark. Really depends on your location.

>>59247856
I think it's Sata II, still better than a mechanical drive though.

>>59247967
Yeah it is.

As I have a 1TB hard drive on my desktop as storage and don't have that much trouble with it, I considered grabbing a 512gb mSATA drive as storage for this little thing. I'm not sure if it's too much of a waste of money.

If I want to remove stickers from the palmrest on my thinkpad, is it safe to take the palmrest out, then apply some heat to it? I'm not good with taking out stickers any other way than using a fucking hair dryer.

>>59248656
the fuck?
I just peeled them off and removed any adhesive with alcohol..

>>59245073
Precision, it's the better in Dells good, better and best lineup.

Thinking of T420 with 2540M, 8GB ram, 320 hdd, 1600 900

170good price?

Anyone here A) speak German and B) can see any reason why I shouldn't cop?

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-i5-2-Gen-2-50GHz-4-GB-RAM-320GB-HD-B-Ware-/332144403869?hash=item4d5559659d:g:dLsAAOSw4CFYueD8

>>59249120
Interested about the price aswell

t:>>59242547

>>59249120
>mit starken Gebrauchsspuren, Touchpad abgenutzt, Gehäuse abgenutzt, kleine helle Stellen oder Kratzer auf dem Display
Da hast du es eigentlich schon. 150€ ist zwar attraktiv, aber 50€ mehr sollte dir das ganze dann doch wert sein. Wenn das Geld so knapp ist, dass 200€ (für einigermaßen gute B-Ware) nicht drin ist, dann solltest du vielleicht deine Prioritäten überdenken.

>>59243176
Is this real? Never heard of such an issue. What's the brand and size of the ssd?

>>59249291
>>59249120
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Lenovo-T420-2-5-GHz-i5-2520M-320-HDD-4-GB-14-Display-QWERTZ-Grade-A-Akku-90-W-/122349802282?hash=item1c7c9dd32a:g:c4oAAOSwr~lYnc4Q

>>59249291

gesundheit

Installing windows 7 to make my thinkpad great again

Should I just choose legacy or UEFI?

>>59249304
samshit 850 evo msata 250gb

Didn't believe it was the ssd either but it happens whenever there's read/write operations and the HDD led turns on, according to google i'm not alone.

>>59249103
>>59249120
So is 170€ good for T420?

>>59249524
It is but at that price you can expect some drawbacks like scratches or damage to the case or screen. Maye worn hinges.

>>59249540
For the price is it good if in good shape with everything works? Alternatively, would x220 for 160 be better? (i5-2520M, 128GB SSD, 8GB, bad battery).

>>59249625
Usually the smaller X series models aren't cheaper than the T series. Actually they cost more most of the time. But for both of them it's a fact that you won't get grade A machines for that price. Everything will work but it won't look good and in some cases won't feel good. I'd say, don't buy one for less than 200€ without physically inspecting it.

>>59249661
So would i rather jump the x230 if it's better? Performancewise would the t420 be better? Upgradeability?

>>59249735
W520

>>59249735
If you want to upgrade you probably want a T series because you can swap the CPU on those. If you leave it stock a T series will be the exact same as the corresponding X series (except the T series offers dGPU).
For example, the T430 has the same CPU and RAM options as the X230.

So, the X230 will have better graphics performance than the T420 except if it's a T420 with dGPU. CPU performance doesn't differ all that much between these though.

>>59249782
>anon considers X series
>proposes W series

idiot

>>59249735
the t420 and x220 use the same SandyB processors while the t430 and x230 use the same IvyB processors.

In upgradeability between X and T you lose an extra drive and upgradeable processor so no big deal.

>>59249805
Yep. I don't see why you would want to upgrade the CPU on a laptop anyways. I've always thought of them as all in one machines that you just dump when they're too old. The option can be useful if the CPU is broken though.

>>59249804
He's considering the T420 as well, and the W520 only weights .40lbs more. Well worth it for the screen quality.

Whatever you don't get the 768p T420. To upgrade the screen you'll need to spend $20 on a cable + $60 on the screen, with the end result barely any better. (It's horrendous)

>>59249820
I upgraded my T420 to a quad core, it was worth it but I got the processor for free anyway.

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My memepad x201 runs little hot now and then (Windows 7) . Heard thinkfan brings down heat in linux, is it same for windows? I've found driver on lenovo site, do I have to use any software to configure it?

>>59249906
From my experience they run a lot hotter with Linux. It makes laptops inefficient, that's a fact. If it runs hot your only real option is to clean the cooler and replace the thermal paste

>>59249918
it's the fan noise desu. it fluctuates a lot, and i've made sure nothing running in background. Just want to know if thinkfan driver will help.

>>59249963
For Windows you should use ThinkPad Fan Control

>>59249987
will give it a shot, thanks!

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I think the magic smoke on my X61t's GPU escaped. RIP.

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Does the USB 3.0 port in the dock work with my T420 or will it be just like a 2.0 port?

>>59250357
Considering the docking port allows for way faster speeds than USB3 I'd say it works as USB3. But I can't be sure because I have never used a 20 series model with a dock.

>>59250357
2.0 according to the lenovo forums.

>>59250349
This is the meme part of the Thinkpad meme.

>>59250357
I've checked for my x220 and I saw a lot of forum posts saying that it's limited to 2.0

Also that an usb 3.0 expresscard is a better choice, but it won't still perform as well.

>>59242547
I just got a thinkpad X60!

>>59251124
Cool! Wow!

>>59251102
The expresscard will also not be powered so an external HDD would need a seperate power supply

Is a refurb T460 with a 1080p screen and 8GB RAM worth $560 or should I get something older? I need a new laptop for shitposting and playing with python

>>59251312
my hdd enclosure worked fine with a generic USB 3.0 expresscard on windows

>>59251124
Shits so cash bro bro!

>>59251312
Yeah, there are some 3.0 expresscards with external power.

>>59251124
Libreboot that motherfucker.

>>59251326
That is a great price. Do not get an old laptop. Do not do that to yourself.

>>59251326
If your budget allows for the T460, go for it. If not, get something older. But just avoid the horrible 40 series.

I have 2 monitors: An IPS 2560x1080 monitor with DP/HDMI ports and a 1680x1050 monitor with VGA/DVI-D Dual link.

Would it be possible to connect an x220 to both at the same time with the use of a dock?

>>59251421
B-but trannycode, right guys?

>>59251481
yes

>>59242547
Want to get back into the Thinkpad game after a few years. Are the T60 and T61 good enough for modern internet or will 720p video cause a housefire? I was really hoping to go 4:3 but if not then T4XX seems my only option.

>>59251519
>trannycode
what?

>>59251698
>he doesn't know the ballad of Libreboot.

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Sup guys.

I just ordered a X230T, the keyboard from the X220T+Palmrest.

i have been reading about the EC flashing method to get the dank classic keyboard, which seems easy enough. but i have a few questions about the X230T.

-as i need a hardware programmer to flash the bios for my wifi-ac, its worth to install coreboot instead?
and can coreboot boot macOS on this laptop, or im better off with a hacked lelnovo bios?

(i have macOS on my x220t)

>>59251698
one of the developers is a transvestite

>>59251742
>coreboot

If it was a regular X230 I'd say yes. However from my experience you want to run Windows on the tablet version. Linux will give you nothing but problems with the touch screen.

Also, flashing is an unecessary risk. The new keyboard is fine

how do I know if buying a second hand laptop is safe? What if there's shady shit installed at the BIOS level?

>>59251768
i have nothing against trans people as long as they behave like a decent human being.

of if they are cute.

>>59251810
He's specifically talking about macOS

is there any difference between x220 and x220 table, performance, endurance wise?

>>59251846
>behave like a decent human being.
>>59251717

Is the x61t the best choice for a 4:3 convertible?

>>59251857
He said he's got Mac OS on an X220t but with coreboot you only get Linux

>>59251846
Problem is this is not a decent human being we're talking about

Like it could be straight and it would still be not decent

>>59251818
thats why you get a librebooted thinkpad anon

on a serious side, your PC is actually backdoored already (search INTEL ME/AMT) so its moot to be worried if anyone put something shady on a BIOS of a second hand laptop.

>>59251874
i think so, yeah
honestly the tablet side of it isn't all that useful considering its resolution, but if you can get it for cheap they're really fun. i got mine for $60

>>59251867
the x220 Tablet has a guaranteed to have iPS screen but the regular model have a choice for a bigger battery.

>>59251896
The resolution won't be an issue, my current laptop's also 12.1" and has a 1280x800 screen

>>59251876
i reckon coreboot to being able to boot windows using seabios.

but again, macOS on thinkpads require heavily on modified lenovo bios for correct power management, so i would say hes better off with a modded-bios.

>>59251742
>Sup guys.
>I haven't actually tried this computer, I just know I want a meme. Also, I spent more money than just buying the damn computer and using it in the first place. My life's decisions are decided by what I read on sections of an anime image board. I have macOS on my x220t, I really just can't stand when things are 100% functional. I haven't had much luck in finding lovers, so this is how I spend my time and gbp :^)

>should I fuck it up even more?

>>59251717
>>59251768
Oh I remember now. Some bullshit drama. These trans sick fucks always need to feel victims and stir up drama everywhere.

>>59251904
>the x220 Tablet has a guaranteed to have iPS screen
>"iPS"

Read: The X220 Tablet is guaranteed to have burn-in issues. What a "feature!"

>>59251970
>LCD
>burn-in
What?

>>>>59251948
noice bait
but anon, osx on the x220/x220t is fully functional.

>gbp
the fuck is gpb?

Why is the lelnovo support website designed so it's a pain in the ass to navigate through with a shitty resolution, like that of an older thinkpad?

>>59251102

Dont get a Renesas/Ake/Nec express card. Once you reboot the power management chokes them. The rest of the brands are fine. Also they're flimsy as shit, the connector will slide right out and you'll get 99MBps at best.

Good luck.

>>59251933
>macOS on thinkpads require heavily on modified lenovo bios for correct power management
wat

The only thing you need a modded BIOS for is to remove the whitelist and add a WLAN card that works, at least on the t420.

>>59252083
>99MB/s max
150% the speed of USB 2.0's theoretical max seems pretty worth it to me

>>59252086
on the X220 unless you have a modde bios, you will not get proper power management (i recall its a stock bios bug)

I've looked at getting a thinkpad for dedicated code work but I find myself bored with them. You always end up getting something with a shit keyboard or omething else missing entirely, like the caps lock on the x230. I cant even get a relatively recent one (C2D T7500 etc) with a 5:4 screen 3: because of that the only business laptop I can really stand by are the ancient HP NW series with Pentium M's in them. Which aren't bad by any means. 5:4, easy to hack to put a faster chip in, I thik they're great. What model do I look for to have dat dank rectangle screen but something that I can work on code with Do I just get a T61p mobo and put it in a T61?

>>59252144
Oh i see, i only have experience with my T420.

Modded bios enables 1600mhz ram anyway so why not.

>>59251991
>For LCDs, burn-in develops in some cases because pixels permanently lose their ability to return to their relaxed state after a continued static usage profile.

>>59252165
Why's it have to be 5:4? T60 is 4:3 and has options up to 1600x1200 IPS, and you can transplant a 14" 4:3 T61 motherboard to get a Penryn CPU and 8GB of RAM in it.

Speaking of burn-in, I have an IPS panel on my X220 that have these issues. Saw someone mention that there are some panels that don't, anyone know which ones I should be looking for?

>>59252012
>osx on the x220 is fully functional
>except for palm rejection on the touchpad
>or middle button scrolling if the touchpad is disabled through bios
>or the fingerprint reader and the sd card reader
>or wifi unless I buy a card for it
>or the headphone jack half of the time
>or some of the function keys

I'm sorry but fuck no.

It also performs like shit. Scrolling on any browser on it is ever so slow in comparison with linux/windows. And all these complaints are coming from someone who uses hackintosh on a daily basis.

>>59242668
T430.
45 idle.
50 web browsing and Word processing.
65 load

Are there any good Thinkpads with dedicated graphics for CUDA? Or should I settle with the dumb gaming laptops instead?

>>59252558
>or middle button scrolling if the touchpad is disabled through bios
>or the headphone jack half of the time

Fuck, I'm about to do it, just waiting for the card to get here

>>59252558
I don't know why you would use Mac OS anyways. I mean, one of the greatest features of Windows and Linux is, that they're not Mac OS.

>>59252677
Listen, it works better than I would expect from any laptop at all.

But it's still an inferior choice over linux or windows on it, despite the fact that I'd use macOS over both of those any day of the week. The touchpad is at least usable on both Linux and Windows, but in macOS there's some weird ass behavior related to both things. If you are alright with carrying around something else like a fucking magic trackpad or a mouse, maybe do it. Otherwise, not even the trackpoint works as well as it does on the others.

Besides that card is really good. I bought it exactly for hackintosh too and instead now I'm using it because I can use a 5ghz connection at home.

Anyways, not to fuck with it but really, performance is worse. You can use ssdtPRgen or whatever you want, it will still not be as decent. I dicked around with it, tried to see what it would report about my SSD speeds, shitposted on 4chan, abused Siri, checked the abysmal battery life, then removed it.

>>59252629
P series, W if you're buying used.

>>59252741
Better font rendering, a pretty powerful file manager, a pretty comfy word processor, no update nagging if you don't want it, pretty decent software and pretty stable.

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what can i do to make my battery last longer? its at 58% its capacity since i bought it (X230). Im getting about 3 hours of usage at 15% screen brightness

>>59252771
Got any tool to check my SSD speeds on macos?

I'm curious because all these flaws everyone says just don't happen to me, the only one i have in common is the sd card reader not working and that's it.

Even got better battery running macOS, posted about it in the last thread.

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how likely is it to get a compufucked thinkpad off ebay?

I would expect resellers/recyclers to comment this in item description but nobody does.

Do i just assume there's no computrace, do i ask every seller if there's computrace, what do you do?

>>59252841
>better font rendering
seriously, that's a meme. there is literally no difference. font sharpness is all about resolution
>pretty powerful file manager
can't argue with that
>pretty comfy word processor
I don't know which program you're referring to exactly but for text purposes you use MS Word or LibreOffice Writer on every OS. Anything else doesn't have a market share and is completely insignificant, hence useless
>no update nagging
What is Windows 7?
>decent software
restrictive OS with childish design, good software costs a fortune
>stable
we're talking hackintosh. besides, bluescreens are a thing of the past even on windows 7

>>59252906
Blackmagic works ok on it.

In my case doing similar tasks, I got windows 7 to at least gather an extra hour of battery life against hackintosh. Regarding performance like I said, even with Safari (tried firefox and chrome as well) scrolling stutters quite a bit. Feels quite sluggish. Though if I have to think of something sluggish, the trackpoint with touchpad disabled through hardware makes the cursor skip like a motherfucker.

I followed the mcdonelltech guide for it, step by step.

>>59252771
Well, thank you for the heads up.
I might as well give it a try anyway since I have a spare SSD lying around. I have no real reason to do it other than the fact that I can, am perfectly happy with linux.

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>furniture store uses thinkpads to show their desks

>>59252863
If you believe the self appointed battery expert in this general, you should absolutely put it in your freezer

>>59251717
I don't remember this, can you give me a quick rundown?

>>59252960
W7 won't last much longer. macOS is the only long term solution if you want to use mainstream software. My old hackintosh laptop was as stable as my current MacBook, I'd still use it if I hadn't broken the screen. The install is a lot less messy with Clover on UEFI.

>>59252996
steal it

>>59253045
>thinking updates are what makes an OS last longer

>>59253075
Windows XP still gets security updates if you fuck with the registry. You still can't use it as your actual OS. The Internet, peripherals, and the software you need to use for work all move on when Microsoft says so.

>>59252960
>there is literally no difference
There is if you're not blind. Try with the same resolutions. Also font kerning is a big deal if you have to read a lot of text.

>I don't know which program you're referring to exactly
Pages. MS Word is more powerful, but for simpler documents I work with Pages much faster.

>What is Windows 7?
A really, really dated system that people have to keep checks on updates in case MS wants to put some more garbage telemetry on shit. That you have to deal with that is quite sad.

>restrictive OS with childish design
As opposed to Windows 3.1 design touted as modern, or glossy everything? And how restrictive could a system be when you have to tamper with system files everytime you want to do something a little bit "unusual" instead of just using the terminal like a normal human being?

Or the registry. My goodness.

>we're talking hackintosh
Yeah. We're also talking supported hardware. Notice how I was the one to talk about it not working well on the x220. If you have a supported desktop you won't have problems unless you look for them really bad (or decide to update to a new major release without even bothering to check whether there are any issues or not, which also happened from win 7 to 8 and from 8.1 to 10 I must say)

>bluescreens are a thing of the past even on windows 7

yeah, now you get QR codes and smileys. To be fair on my hardware, 0 problems. However on average laptop with windows 10 support (and not earlier, because it came out less than a year ago and ASUS a shit) I had nothing but problems with windows update stopping at random and saying things like "whoops there was an error, restart and try to install updates again" like 7 fucking times.

Hell I wish that at the very least windows updates didn't take completely random times to download and install (sometimes fast, sometimes hours).

>>59252922
the only one getting fucked on Ebay is the seller

>>59252922
Depends.

If you buy from a reputable refurb store it's likely you won't have problems. I bought mine from a german refurb store that's pretty popular apparently and I they seem to make sure that's not a thing.

>>59252966
>I followed the mcdonelltech guide for it, step by step.
Oh the X220 one, I'm using a T420 and used another guide but they seem similar.

SSD speeds and geekbench score seem okay too.

What does /tpg/ think about this http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-Intel-Core-i5-2-5GHz-4Go-320Go-Webcam-Win-7-Pro-64Bits-/272550214022?hash=item3f75423986:g:Fu4AAOSwTglYmyyV

>T420 Intel Core i5 @ 2.5GHz 4Go 320Go
>200 €

How would an X220 stack up against a T420 for rudimentary gaymen? For 5-10 year old games, style of thing.

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>>59252178
>>59252178
>Oh i see, i only have experience with my T420.

quick question: if I mod my bios (T420) would I be able to change power management/thermal/fan settings, and would they actually work?

thanks.

>>59250404
It's just passthrough, it can't implement non preexisting functionality.

>>59253593
both use the same processors so same iGPU

some t420 have a dedicated nvidia gpu but it's barely better

>>59253347

What's up with these ads having generic internet pictures of products? Can't they take at least a shitty low-res real pic of the laptop?

Anyway 200 is a bit much, for 200 it better have a shit ssd or be in a really good condition with a 3+ hour battery.

>>59253607
I must ask this too, and also:

Is there any guide on what the settings on the advanced tab actually do, to prevent tinkering and bricking the goddamn thing

>>59253607
>posting a disgusting 3d whore ass
2D or get out

And yes, the modded bios has a shitload of more options than the stock one aside from removing the 1333mhz ram cap and pci whitelist.

You can't regulate the fan speed in the bios but you can change the temps to trigger the fan speeds.

>>59253777
Just use common sense

>what does this option do
>i don't know
>then i won't touch it or i will google it before touching it
simple as that

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>>59253793
>You can't regulate the fan speed in the bios but you can change the temps to trigger the fan speeds.


that's the thing, a couple of people on several forums say the trip point fan settings are horse shit and they're useless, no matter what you set them at, the fan will still spin at 40something C - the default behavior of certain T420's - like they're hardcoded into the mb/controller.


I just wanna know if it's worth flashing/bricking the bios, that's all.


Can someone confirm the fan settings actually work?

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bois what are your opinions on the new thinkpad 13(with 6th gen intel i3/i5/i7 processors)

>>59245803
You probably just need the wifi firmware, because Debian doesn't ship with it because it's nonfree.

It's probably iwlwifi but doublecheck with your wifi card's name. Put it on a flash drive, SD card, or whatever. http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi_0.43_all.deb

>>59253927
Can't test it then because i turn off the fan and manage the trip points via the OS but i'm not running Windows so can't turn it off/on like i could with TPFancontrol.

If you need that i guess you're better off with stock bios and managing the fan via software unless you need the whitelist removal.

>>59243918
I bought one for my T43. I've never done a proper test of it but it gets like 4 hours to guess conservatively, which isn't bad for a 2005 pentium with a dedicated gpu.

So I broke that part in UltraBase that blocks the laptop's charging port and I'm wondering: what would happen if I connected my second charger there?

>>59254050

thanks,

so far I only found one useful thermal setting that people confirm it works - the "Turbo Mode" switch, which is alright I guess.

also apparently you don't need to downgrade the current bios or anything, you just flash it and you're done.

brb

>>59252996
>it's a T4x with the asymmetrical hinges
Reported

>>59253061
This.

>>59252741
>one of the greatest features of Windows and Linux is, that they're not Mac OS
That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read

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why does the buyers guide only have old thick and heavy machines?

I need something light and portable but not a piece of shit machine.

currently using a meme gayming laptop (anus g501vw skylake edition), the screen (15.6") is a bit too big and the battery life is poor (probably because of the gtx960m and i7 6700hq)

also have a dell latitude e6220 with a 6-cell battery, but the 2nd gen i3 is a bit too weak.

also have a thicc thinkpad(forgot model) with a 2nd gen i5(quad core) and 8gb of ram, again a bit too weak with poor battery life, also too T H I C C

I was thinking about the thinkpad 13 with an i5, 16gb ram and the meme one cable dock thingy since its lightweight, portable, decent performance and total package under 1500€(about 1200 in fact)

what do you think anons? should I buy something else, plez no x220 and t420 memes

>>59254412
>2nd gen i5(quad core)
wtf

>>59254412
X1 Carbon or Yoga should be a consideration.

>>59242668

x1c1 i5-3427U
right now listening to music and browsing on firefox = 51C

>>59254412

x260

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>>59254412
>>59254429
sorry I fuqd up, double checked and its a e430 with i5-3320m, 8gb ddr3 and an ssd


>>59254487
thanks, I'll check and consider those too

So I'm having a few issues with my x230 and the battery.

It's not charging.

I know its not the adapters since I've tried two separate ones and they both don't work.

Could it be the battery itself or windows? The stats on the battery say
Cycle:160
MFC date: 2012-07-25
First use date: 2012-09

The battery used to charge fine and hold a decent charge, I could watch videos for a few hours without it dipping below 20%?

I did fuck up like a few weeks ago and let it discharge fully when I was away for 2 weeks or so and it took a while for it to start charging back up to 100% but it did eventually.

Then I used it again down to 8% and plugged it back in and now it won't charge

>>59251657
Anyone?

Is the retro dead? Or should I hold off on buying a t450

>>59251970
Is it worse on the x220 because it's already pretty bad on my x230t. Takes 15 seconds for an after-image to appear. Rather have TN than this.

>>59254979
Even if the retro comes out in our life time, it'll cost a stupid amount of money. Also the P50 is sort of classic thinkpad-esque.

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>>59251657
>>59254880
I use one for sys admin work, they're still great.

Best part is if anything feels subpar to you, just pop the T61 version of whatever part it is in and it's instantly better

>>59253927
>>59254202
>>59253777


well I just flashed my bios with a 100% unlocked one.

good news:

i disabled Turbo Mode and Intel AMT completely

the sata device settings are nice, you can configure ALPM and hotplug mode

a whole bunch of vbios options I dont care about


bad news:
the fan active trip point temp settings are useless just as I thought, still have to use thinkpadfancontrol.

>>59252741
OS X = best Unix.

>>59253007
Not until it's below half original capacity.

>>59255619
Out of curiosity, why disable turbo mode and AMT?

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Hello /g/entle friends, why do you recommend the T420 over the T430?

>>59252367
If I'm honest I like the square screens. I do a lot of text based terminal work and the screen I use best has always been 5:4 or 4:3. I dunno, its just a preference.

>>59254412
>(((Thinkpad))) 13
>thinn ultrabook
>5 hour battery life, real-life
>shit build quality
>shit chicklet keyboard
>low build quality
Yeah take that bait out of here chang.

>>59255983
its pretty much the only machine that 1. isn't a brick and 2. costs under 1500€ with a dock(in finland)

I was considering the newest surface pro and the x1 carbon but they're way too expensive


and no, I don't want to buy used, I want a decent manufacturer warranty and a new machine

>>59256037
Macbook Pro.

If you're going to get a chicklet-keyed ultrabook itmight as well be a good one.

>>59256120
>with a dock

>>59256120
I was considering it, but they're at least double the price if I don't buy 2nd hand, might as well get a x1 carbon

>>59255968
the keyboard and its layout, but you can put a t420 keeb on a t430 real easily
who the cute boy

>>59256120
>applefag approaches

Are you vegan friendly?

>>59255956

AMT - I dont use it, I dont need it, same as the express card reader and bluetooth. also

>enterprise businesses can manage computers remotely
>has full access to memory (without the parent CPU having any >knowledge)
>has full access to the TCP/IP stack
>can send and receive network packets, even if the OS is protected by a firewall
>is signed with an RSA 2048 key that cannot be brute-forced


Turbo Boost - it just shaved off 10 degrees off my load temp, although the feature is avalable for like 28 seconds, but still. also I've read that this is a shit feature for Sandy Bridge laptop cpu's, the chipset shouldn't immediately agressively push the voltage and add +800mhz like that, the increase should be more linear depending on the task.

>>59256120
>If you're going to get a chicklet-keyed ultrabook itmight as well be a good one.

>this meme again

a used macbook pro keyboard is way worse than a used chicklet thinkpad keyboard.

also the up-down arrow keys are awful and they're the first ones to feel like shit.

Just picked up a T60 (2007-GEU) at a thrift store sans power adapter. Where are good places to look for genuine adapters? I considered looking for a broken, intel gpu T60 for libreboot, but it seems they don't generally come with power adapters or batteries.

>>59256488
I would look at computer recycling centers. All the thinkpads I have use about the same power adapters so it shouldn't be too difficult I don't think. Just check the power ratings on the bottom.

>>59256402
So excuse my stupidity, but is turbo boost the reason why battery life fluctuates so much on Windows

i found fairly priced x230 in my city. What are some things i should check on it first, functionallity wise, before i buy it?

>>59256607
>download batterymon
>leave it logging the usage while you use your laptop as usual until the battery goes low
>turn off laptop and disable turbo boost
>repeat step two
>compare the logs
Then make a decision.

>>59256657
computrace

>>59256607
>why battery life fluctuates so much on Windows

I don't know what that means.

>>59256568
Good idea, but I live in the middle of nowhere and am not aware of any such place. This is my first time actually touching a thinkpad. Might should plan a trip to population center or something.

>>59256488
The T60 can use any charger for any T or X series Thinkpad up to the --30 generation. It's not picky at all, just get a genuine one off ebay. The bigass 170W chargers used by the W series won't work, they have a different connector so they only work with the W series. You'll be fine with a 90W or even 65W though.

>>59256715
Ah, well, that does serve as an issue... Do you live in the US? You could easily find a place that does thinkpads only. Might have something. Otherwise look for repair places in general and just scrap fr an adapter.

>>59256678
Aight, I guess I will try

>>59256712
On Win7 with the power manager and such, I'm just doing some browsing and without doing any more intensive tasks at random, I get random battery remaining between 2 and 5 hours.

>>59256657
>What are some things i should check on it first, functionallity wise, before i buy it?

bios password
hinges
keyboard
screen
temps
battery life
touchpad
wifi
the owner's race
audio jack
all externals screws are in place
hdd smart
fan noise
vga port
usb ports

>>59256829

perhaps maybe, the power manager ususally reads how many W the system sucks at the moment and how many Wh the battery provides and tries to estimate a time frame.

are you sure the battery is alright tho?

>>59256741
That's good. Are there any obvious indicators that give away fakes?
>>59256782
Yes, southwest. I'll keep looking.

>>59256488
>thrift store
>sans power adapter.


probably doesn't even boot. no offense my nigga.

>>59257086
Sure, but it's one of those volunteer staffed charity shops. Figured $9.50 was more than reasonable.

win10 vs win7 on a t420?

without taking in account the botnet

>>59257143
w7 in anything that can run w7

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>>59253232
This tbqh familia

>grab x220
>typing on that keyboard
>right side keys pretty ok with noise
>left side keys sound like I'm typing on a hollow cheap plastic case

Why the fuck

It's really bothering me that the keyboard seems to flex more on one side. Do I have to buy an expresscard or something?

>>59252558
>>59252771
I've been thinking about the middle button being tied to the trackpad being enabled in bios and the shitty palm rejection. Maybe if the trackpad was enabled in bios, but its data ribbon disconnected, the middle button wouldn't be as flaky?

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>>59255619
>>59253927


alright so there's another power management setting:

T"hermal Sensor Device Enable" - which is disabled - with a plethora of sensors, cpu, pch and so on

in the OS the sensors are reporting just fine fine, I can check cpu temp, fan speed, battery, GT cores,

so what did Lenovo mean by this? why leave it disabled by default?

i'm really starting to hink that whole thermal management bios page is bullshit and it's there only for comedic purposes.

>>59257460
Haven't tried myself.

I get this behavior:

-Touchpad enabled through hardware and software = Accidental double clicks half of the time
-Touchpad enabled through hardware, disabled with the prtsc key on macOS = As long as your hand is touching a tiny bit of the touchpad, your clicks will not register properly
-Touchpad disabled through hardware = Scrolling with the middle button doesn't work, cursor skips a lot.

The day -one- of these is fixed, I'm moving back. But that day ain't today. You could try that.

>>59257586
or they just recycled a template from another laptop

these are modded bios from random people, not official.

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>>59257637

some guy enabled it on a Dell and got pic related.

but yea, I guess you're right. a couple of switches still work tho and it runs fine so far.

it depends which model you want
anything 100% new will cost you a lot. barely used thinkpads in the n30 era and earlier shouldn't ever run you over $300

nintender switch or
x230t

>>59258193
x230t
switch a shit

>>59258193
Before buying my x220 I was thinking of grabbing a switch instead.

Now I'm happy I didn't.

>always thinking "what the fuck would I need a laptop for, I already have a cool desktop"
>try to see what the fuss is all about when it comes to these thinkpads
>consider that the x220 is cheap and has a smaller size than other laptops, so I end up buying it
>try the thinklight and browsing on my bed before sleeping

goddamn this feels comfortable, fuck everything

How much bloatware is on the current chinkpads?

>>59252741
because im tied to adobe's shitty software and theres no other alternative on linux

>inb4 gimp.
nope, Gimp is not supposed to replace photoshop

macOS have native versions of adobe shovelware, and its a unix so its nice.

also integration macOS-iOS. no droid, loonix offer that

>>59255912
I would totally in to OS X, but the problem is each successive generation of Mac laptop is worse than the equivalent Thinkpad that's out at the time. I mean if Apple were still making the 2011 Macbook Pro with updated internals then I would consider it, but they decided to go full "innuvashun" and introduce dumb shit.

>>59258451

none, the (((OS))) takes care of it :^)

>>59257593

>-Touchpad enabled through hardware, disabled with the prtsc key on macOS = As long as your hand is touching a tiny bit of the touchpad, your clicks will not register properly

just tried, i always hit prtsc at boot, no issues touching the touchpad and using the trackpoint and ultranav. tested on folders, links, cookie clicker, no a single issue. what kext you were using?
the original VoodooPS2 from rehabman or the other one edited by some dude on the insanely forums?

getting t430 8gb i5 tomorrow

should i put win 7 or win 10 on it?

>>59258602
the one included in the kext pack on mcdonell's guide

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X230-Tablet-IPS-2-9GHz-Core-i7-3520M-4GB-RAM-180GB-SSD-WIN10-/142301310159?hash=item2121d1accf:g:im8AAOSw4A5Yueod

whaddu guys think. i have been really dragging my feet on grabbing one n i think this is the best deal rn on ebay.


What im really asking is if you think those "marks" on the screen would be noticeable during use. It doesnt look like it but id rather someone tell me im wrong than have to buy a new screen

>>59258644
ah that one, i do recall some dude on lelddit complaining about the same issues as you, and then i tried on my x220 and its fine. think he had the tablet model.

maybe different touchpads/keyboard/ultranav devices?

stupid question. it is worth to rebuild a genuine T420 battery with new Sanyo cells? or just getting a chinese battery?

>>59258644
I'm >>59252906, try the one in the t420 guide and see how it goes because i did it that way and don't have any issues with the trackpoint.

>>59258717

chink battery

>>59258640

it comes with win 7 preinstalled, what do you think?

>>59258733
like i said , >>59258684

seems like we are running into the same thing here, make believe its something related to diferent models of touchpads, keyboards

>>59258684
maybe, not sure.

For instance, I checked replacements for key retainers on my keyboard and weirdly enough the retainer shape is categorized as one specific x230 model instead of x220. However this is an x220 keyboard legit. A bit noisy to be honest.

Maybe this particular one is being a dick. I aim to replace it someday as it's not even the right layout for me.

>>59258745
>chink battery

even when these use shoddy cells with shitty runtime?

>>59258745
and? why does that mean it should not have w10?

>about 33 hours until I'll have my "new" X60s
It has been a while since I've been this excited over a tech purchase, and it isn't even my first Thinkpad, I've used 4 in the past.

>>59258817
Drivers can be an issue

>>59258829
okay, i was just reading up on that but mainly the issue seems to be with power management needing to be run in w7 compatibility mode

then again i'm far more familiar with win7

>>59258787
It's a russian roulette.

You can get a bomb, one that sort of works like the anon in the previous thread and in some rare case a working one.

i guess you'll be okay as long as you stay away from the sub-$30 ones

>>59258864
I bought a $14 chink battery and it worked as well as the stock one, are they really normally that bad?

>>59258787

are these your only options? shit chink or nothing?

>>59258859

w10 is fucking shit, you'll regret it later.

at least get the ltsb one.

>>59258928
The whole point of his post is that he wants to replace the old cells with good quality ones. Some anon told him not to for no good reason.

>>59258928
no. my options are

-Lelnovo genuine battery

-Chink battery

- Refurbish genuine battery with new Sanyo cells.

>>59258947
this basically

>>59258903
The main thing is that the risk of something being wrong becomes especially high when you have 6 or more dirt cheap cells and a chinky controller to match. High end cells are like $5 each to buy for yourself from China, so that should give you an idea of the QC you'd have to be getting at $14, though once you have it and it's running you should be in the clear anyway.

>>59258958


then genuine, for sure.

>Refurbish genuine battery with new Sanyo cells

who even does that?
and at what cost?
can you test it to see the whr checks out before you plug it in?

or you can find a genuine used one on the street for like $20 that still holds 2/3 charge and you're set.

>>59259142
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrDnTXqoqjM
>genuine
Who even does that? And at what cost?

>>59258023
sorry I deleted my post because I mistakenly pressed enter and without being finished and was afraid of my feefees getting hurt

how good are the n30 era ones performance wise? I'm not a PC gaymer but I use audio/music production, video, photography, GIS and programming software.

>>59259321
i do that all the time
if you do a lot of audio/video work they might not be the best since they have gen 3 processors at best. plus, unless you feel like changing it yourself, the screens are lowres by default. for programming they're great.
you can definitely run a daw/photoshop on like a t430 or x230 fine, but it will probably be a lil sluggish, and if you're doing huge projects it might be pretty bad. then and again, they're the best thing you can get for their price range.

>>59259321
just to be clear this was my original post

>tell the honest truth to a normie who pretends to have tech literacy:
>I checked the links and they're not useful enough.
>I don't want to buy a used laptop full of foreign cumstains. What I like about the ThinkPad is that its keyboard looks cool and it's sturdy, stronk, etc.
>For how cheap can I find a NEW or barely used ThinkPad th
I wanted to add what I'm going to use it for, and that I can save up to $600 for a laptop
>>59259444
>but it will probably be a lil sluggish, and if you're doing huge projects it might be pretty bad
at this point I'm really willing to save up and spend more for a good one that can handle big project and shit. Regarding resolution, I wouldn't mind changing the screens myself unless it's too pricey. Are ThinkPads still a good option for me if I'm willing to spend more than $300?

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>>59258335
Welcome to my world.

>>59259548
Which keyboard do you actually like? Or both? You can always spend more for better performance but you also lose some thinkpad features and openness along the way, which you may or may not care about.

>>59259548
they're not popular in these threads because they aren't old, but if you want something that can handle bigger projects (and has a better screen by default) you should look into the newer models like the thinkpad yoga. they're at least worth looking into

>>59249432
legacy if pirating, UEFI if you want to crawl through internet archive looking for a build of the windSLIC installers.

>>59249432
Legacy. UEFI is autism.

>>59259548
>cumstains
buy from a bulk seller, those laptops come from decommissioned inventory, ergo they come from office environments, not individual owners.

Alright lads, what's the best for uni work (compiling, research, small simulations, etc)

>X220
>X230
>X240

Money is kind of tight.

>>59259865
>Money is kind of tight
x220 then

>>59259873

Is there a noticeable difference between the i5-2520M (2.5 GHz) and i5-3320M (2.6GHz)

>>59259865
if you want the gud keyboard and want the cheapest laptop for the work, the X220

if you want the gud keyboard but want something better than sandy and not lazy to install it and flashing the EC, the X230

if you dont mind the chiclets and the the lack of ultranav buttons, plus the nice battery runtime? the x240

>>59259922
100MHz

>>59259922
100mhz and the igpu is better
that's it

Redpill me on the T430 keyboard mod

>>59259927

>want something better than sandy and not lazy to install it and flashing the EC

What?

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Where's the touchpad? How am I suppose to surf the web?

>>59259989
its easy as fuck. you dont need a SPI programmer anymore

just buy a T420 keyboard and palmrest, install it, flash the EC and rock the classic keyboard.

>>59260031
It's got a touchscreen dipshit

>>59260026
some people's redaction on this website is atrocious.

>want sumthing better than sandy
the x230 have a Ivy Bridge intel CPU, which is better than the Sandy Bridge on the X220

>not lazy to installing it and flashing the EC
I believe he refers to the classic X220 keyboard, give he mention the EC (Embedded Controller, which controls the key layout), which is easy to install so you get the classic keyboard instead of the chiclets

>>59260114

Thanks for that.

Have a couple T420s for sale. If anyone's interested, speak up. Happy to ebay / PayPal sale them to you. US buyers only.

Both i5s, one has SSD, one does not. Both in very good shape. Have Linux on them now.

>>59259548
>I'm willing to spend more than $300

check out a W530, they seem alright as hentai editing stations.

>>59260211
>US buyers only
well fug

>>59260211

T420s is gay

>>59260337
Don't be salty because you're poor and have an extra chromosome, anon.

>never liked notebooks
>rarely lurk /tpg/
>need to buy a cheap notebook for work/college
>test a friend's thinkpad
>comfy as shit
>decide to get one
>start lurking /tpg/ and looking for thinkpads performances/specs regularly
>hype starts to rise
>fucking 30 days to get it
>anxious as fuck
help

what was your first thinkpad and how do you liked it? going for a t61, I know its not ideal but its the best choice budget-wise in my country and it has a decent warranty

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>>59243159
I currently look like a flat blob and if I put on makeup I look like CWC.

Maybe I should dress like a trap for parody videos?

>>59244329
I think the battery life savings and standard USB 3.0 ports are good enough. These are becoming at a good price to where they are almost the same as a X220.

>>59245073
I just wondered if the E6430s can be modded to support 900p. it is essentially a 13" E6330 chassis with a 14" display

>>59246921
Probably too old for your tastes
>cant post google photos link
soz

>>59247243
Shut the fuck up

>>59260352

>first thinkpad

x61

My baby. Still kickin, been through hell and back with it.

>my thinkpad story

A T42 in like 2007 was the first. It was bought used, of course.

It gave up after less than two years of my use, those fuckers occasionally had mobo problems - okay, only the USB stopped working, but that was enough to make me just dump it (after salvaging a few parts) as it was pretty old even back then.

After that I had another T42 which I gave to a relative at one point in 2011 (he still uses it as an e-mail machine), and also an X31, I got rid of that, too, as it started to be in pretty bad condition and I didn't want to spend more money on new keyboard, battery etc. A few years back I briefly used a T60 as a temporary machine, but I ended up getting rid of it because I just didn't like it much (mine had the big low res screen) and didn't feel like upgrading it etc.

Currently I'm using an x131e (i3 model) if you want to count that. Its a decent machine, very good for the price level, I'd say.

This week I'll get an X60 because I found out that librebooting one of those is really rather easy and I've been dreaming of a fully free laptop for a while (I even briefly used a Lemote Yeeloong some years back - it wasn't quite good enough for anything but a bit of fun trying to get it to run things).

>>59260346

T420s is like lenovo said "how about we take a T420 and make it have the battery life, port management, and thermals of an ancient Latitude?"


>>59260352

You should have got an x200

>>59251818
All of intel bios microcode has a backdoor
Some argue that China has a backdoor as well, don't buy anything from china (basically all laptops after 1996)

>>59251846
Same. (x

>>59251874
I think there's a Japan based Lets Note somewhere thats newer and 4:3, maybe a few ToughBooks too...
Just be sure to get middleton bios and upgrade the wifi card for a pleasant experience

>>59255980
I don't there there are any 5:4 laptops other than the 770ED/Z which was an option

>>59252922
GreenCitizen, PowerOn, EPC, LaptopAid, GeekNext, Arrow all seem to be very descriptive on their conditions and specs.
There are some other few, but this is what I can remember right now without buying from it

Just don't buy a stock photo laptop.

I bought a 4/5 star 8760w for $250 and sold the fucker for $600 after a RAM upgrade
Shit was literally flawless except for a small dimple on the lid.

>>59260783
Are you so fucking stupid that you don't know how plural nouns are formed?

>>59260894

calm down you fucking spaz, maybe english isn't his first language

>>59260907
What is actually wrong with it?

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r8 m88s

>>59260967
ofc the fucking photo ends sideways.

>>59260894
there's no need to be so rude over a simple misunderstanding, anon

you wrote T420s, he thought you were referring to the slim variant of the T420 (which is called the T420s) rather than multiple standard T420 units, and so he was offering his opinion of the T420s, which is that it's gay.

>>59261071
This is an ancient himalayan cartoon trading website. It is no place for civility.

>>59261161
not with that attitude it's not

>>59260894

I thought you meant T420s as in T420s, and yes english is not my 1st language.


nigger

>>59246413
>>59254068
Thanks, i think i'll get one

>>59251881
>on a serious side, your PC is actually backdoored already (search INTEL ME/AMT)
But anon, that is literally why you get libreboot.

Seriously though, am I the only one who really appreciates the possibility? Laptops w/ free BIOS alternatives used to be fucking crap chinese netbooks or OLPC, now they're actually usable devices that'll work more than adequately for everyday tasks.

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Just won this in an auction, will be replacing my hp Elitebook 8440p

>>59261570
>8440p

kek, you're replacing one of the most silent cool-running laptops of that era with an x220? buckle up.

>>59261469
>am I the only one who really appreciates the possibility?

I have some bad news for you.

>>59261699
Did I fuck up? Should I have just replaced it with another 8440p? The fan broke that's why i have to get a new laptop.

>>59261738
>The fan broke that's why i have to get a new laptop.


fucking richfags, man.

>>59261803
I'm not rich I'm just clueless when it comes to tech, also I got the 8440p for free.

I was sleep deprived yesterday while opening it up to see why it wasn't working and instead of putting it back together i dismantled it and left it like that, I'll probably sell it for $20

>>59261860


Just messing around, the x220 is alright but compared to the elitebook it will be a little more on the warm side and you will hear the fan sometimes. the battery and keyboard are great tho, although for me the 8440p keyboard is a close second.

>>59261963
Thank you

So I am thinking about buying a used T530 that costs $260, is this a good deal for it?

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