THANK YOU BASED STEVE FOR CALLING AMD OUT ON THEIR SHADY TACTICS

"AMD suggested that we test the cpu's with a gpu bottleneck" - Gamers Nexus.

When there were gaming workloads, AMD inflated their numbers by doing a few things:
In the Sniper Elite demo, AMD frequently looked at the skybox when reloading, and often kept more of the skybox in the frustum than on the side-by-side Intel processor. A skybox has no geometry, which is what loads a CPU with draw calls, and so it’ll inflate the framerate by nature of testing with chaotically conducted methodology. As for the Battlefield 1 benchmarks, AMD also conducted using chaotic methods wherein the AMD CPU would zoom / look at different intervals than the Intel CPU, making it effectively impossible to compare the two head-to-head.
And, most importantly, all of these demos were run at 4K resolution. That creates a GPU bottleneck, meaning we are no longer observing true CPU performance. The analog would be to benchmark all GPUs at 720p, then declare they are equal (by way of tester-created CPU bottlenecks). There’s an argument to be made that low-end performance doesn’t matter if you’re stuck on the GPU, but that’s a bad argument: You don’t buy a worse-performing product for more money, especially when GPU upgrades will eventually out those limitations as bottlenecks external to the CPU vanish.

here, you can see an exact prototype of a nu male. A white pussy fag cuck, ridden with guilt, without any pride whatsoever, bought and paid with 1000$ to shill for a company that milked billions of $ from cuck gamers and other consumers.
you can see total defeat in his eyes, you can be sure he will use that 1000$ from intel to pay for a weekend trip for his (((gf))) and her lovers tyrone and jamal.
nu male cuckoldry at its best.

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>>59206004

>>59206004
I thought liberal newmales liked ayymd

>>59205970
Holy fuck

Fuck AMD

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>>59206004

stfu fag, steve would knock your pussy ass out

>>59206070
Get raped and kill yourself, you retarded fucking faggot sack of nigger shit with down syndrome.

I was wondering why Linus Tech Tips didn't test the processors where it showed a CPU bottleneck and only tested at 4k, looks like they were paid off.

>>59205970
Link to video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7UBHjtCXhU&feature=youtu.be&t=1264

Starts at 21:04

Seriously fuck AMD

>>59205907
Well I guess I'm only following Gamers Nexus from now on.

>>59206105

it's okay, i understand you're angry ryzen is only 8/10 while you thought it was 12/10

This guy doesn't seem like the guy to take bribes, though cat food and pantene pro-v isnt free

>>59206070
lmao, a "man" who does his (((reviews))) from his cuckshed while his whore of a girlfriend is fucking AIDS infected niggers is not even in a position to knock his whore of a mother's ass who raised him to be a pussy cuck that he is.
Just look at that defeated nu-male shill face

>>59205907
Looks like your average angry nerd opinion discarded

Key factors here:
AMD did not threaten anyone with loss of preferential treatment.
AMD did not discourage 1080p or lower res benchmarks.
AMD recommended they also test at 1440p or 4k.
The entire industry is trying to shill 4K right now from monitor vendors, content creators, and hardware vendors in every area.

i think buildzoid is going to stop talking to steve after this

>>59206212
people have pointed out that some of his methodology seems ass-backwards and he goes against standard testing protocols because he thinks he knows better

FUCK AMD AND AMDTARDS

Ryzen is better for 4K gaming than Intel's best cpu running at a much higher frequency

>>59206212
Holy fuck you truly are suicidal because Ryzen turned out to be shit and it won't even bulge the massive gaming market.

>>59206308
professional market is bigger and upgrades alot more frequently

>>59206281
well he is certainly entitled to have his own methodology, especially with the time he has on his disposal. It's not like he's fucking his gf and wasting time on her, niggers do that, he only sacrifices 10 min of his daily routine to suck that nigger jizz out of her pussy. nu male shill.

So if you're a professional you buy R7 1800
If you're a lamer gaymer you buy R7 1700

I really don't see the problem here, either way you get more bang for your buck.

Fucking intel shills I swear

>>59206308
massive market of nu male cuck virgins.

>>59206351
ok man you are making an ass out of yourself
stop mentioning nigger dicks and cucks all the time.
We get it, you have a fetish.
NO ONE CARES

>>59206305
Ryzen has no APUs you dumdum, Ryzen sucks at gaymen.

>>59206281

gamers nexus testing methodology is one of the best, they are transparent and on point.

why is it all of the sudden people have a problem with them? because something they over-hyped doesn't actually live up to the hype in reality? they were mislead and bamboozled by amds marketing?

>>59206395
nu-male.
better start saving for that x299 processor for a (((special))) price of 1,999.00$, it's gonna rock.

>>59206281
Explain how it's backwards instead of just referring to "people"

>>59206279

if buildzoid and amd were so buddy buddy with each other why didn't buildzoid receive an amd review kit?

>>59206433
>everyone I don't agree with is a nu-male cuck

>>59206004
>>59206212
I never seen so much buzzwords and cuck/numale thrown around in a long time.

If you actually think this way just fucking off yourself you insufferable faggot.

>>59206265
That's the point you fucking subhuman brain dead mouth breathing brown faced goofy looking gay walking fag talking retard.

Let's assume you're a gayming vermin that for 95% of the time uses PC for browsing Internet, playing games and listening to music etc. Your regular normie shit. Let's also assume your income is as average as your use of computers.

Whether you buy a r7 Ryzen CPU or 7700k you spend shitload of money, we talk about $600+ combos that usually require new motherboard, ram and CPU. It is only logical you want to keep this rig for at least 5 years. $100+ a year is still quite an expense.

GPU bottlenecks hide worse performing Ryzen. It is true - in 2017 if you opt for 4K/60 fps gaming you won't feel a difference in your daily use between 7700k and 1700x. In both cases games will perform exactly the same.

But now quickly move 3-4 years down the lane.
The average person upgrades their GPU once ever 2, 2.5 year. It's a fact. Even if you don't want to and you will skip one gen the point remains the same.

4 years down the lane we will get $200 GPUs that perform as well as current 1080 ti. For $500-$700 you will probably reach performance that allows to run 1440p at 240Hz or 4k in 120/144Hz.

And that's where the bottleneck will start to shine. Because what happens right know with Ryzen in 1080p will soon happen in 1440p with the release of Vega and Volta and then in 4K 4 years from now.

Resolution has no influence on CPU usage for at least 20 years. It's simply GPU shitting itself before CPU does.

So yea not only for your regular daily use normie having 8 cores makes no difference while costing more but it also means worse performance when talking possible future upgrades.

>>59206388

>nu male cuck virgins

why are you projecting yourself?

But reddit told me that AMD are the good guys, wtf.

>>59206351
HAHAHAHA I had to laugh hard at this post. How buttdevastated are you over a failed piece of silicon to jump to this kind of thinking. You're like the guy in the room that everyone can spot is a massive wanker who amounts to nothing is his life. Maybe lay off the fetishist porn for a while my dude.

>>59206460
Oh well guess I'll guy AMD and hershel wont get as much barmitzva money. tragedy i know

>>59206460
>all this butthurt shill posting
>can't make a single real point

Protip: If you bench at 1080p in addition to 1440p and 4k then no performance is hidden.

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>>59205907
>>59205970

This is why I felt something was way off when they first showcased BF1 running Ryzen with nvidias Titan GPU. What the fuck why are you using your competitors GPUs when your own company produces its own?
Now we know why, smoke and fucking mirrors with AMD,
I've lost complete confidence with them now, just glad I knew to hold off from pre-ordering and stuck to it, dodged a fucking bullet.

>>59206458

i'm 110% sure he has a cuck fetish, is obese, has a small cock and unattractive as fuck

>>59206480
i don't watch porn.
i really couldn't care for intel or amd.
I just like to start shit.

but you gotta admit, people who pay 1.700$ for a CPU are nu male cucks, whether you like it or not.

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>>59206507
>amd uses intel cpus to showcase their gpus
>amd uses nvidia gpus to showcase their cpus
Really makes you think

>>59206127
Oddly enough Ars also called this

>>59205970
JUST

>>59206567

Thanks for reminding me, they showcased Polaris/Battlefront using Intel CPUs. God dammit amd

>>59206460

Oh neat, you mean in four years when Intel unveils their new core design, and AMD talks about theirs coming shortly after? Wow, amazing.

In 4 years I'll get maximum enjoyment out of my 8 core as the four core chugs along for the same price?

And basing any opinion about Ryzen based on the results of these early tests other then AMD can't launch a product to save their lives, literally, just further feeds in to the normie bullshit you are ranting about and railing against.

Pull the dick out of your ass and wait a fucking week for AMD to unfuck themselves with the memory latency and get their SMT optimizations straightened out.

Then come back and look at the results you stupid mother fucker.

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>>59205907
>>59205970
AMD only suggested that they do 4K AS WELL AS 1440p and 1080p so people using those monitors can see how Ryzen would do for them. Which is a reasonable request. They did not ask for them to not do 1080p benchmarks at all.

Ryzen does seem to, on average, had better minimum framerates than both the 7700k and 6900k. And it shows even more at 1440p.

Which is exactly what I fucking assumed AMD asked.

Gamers Nexus has been extremely biased here. Their own benchmark shows the Ryzen CPU they tested got 15% higher minimum framerates than the 7700k, yet they made no mention of it.
And for a gaming focused site, they only tested 4 fucking games. 3 of them the worst they could find, it seems.
This was an obvious hit job.

>>59206623
Yeah...just wait..just wait...surely AMD will be much better...if you just wait

AMDtards are so fucking retarded

>>59206460
>GPU bottlenecks hide worse performing Ryzen

or, you know, they actually properly leverage the GPU because your CPU shouldn't really be doing a lot of drawing anyhow?

>>59206460
The difference is that Zen+ will still be on AM4 so you don't have to throw away a $150 motherboard as well and get a new $150 motherboard.
And the AMD motherboards are $50 cheaper. lmao.

I can afford to spend another $300 on the next good Ryzen in 2019 much more easily instead of having to spend $550 for a new intel CPU and motherboard.

>>59206646

A week, wait a week you stupid waterheaded mongloid.

>>59206629
$0.02 has been deposited into your account.

>>59205681

Intelfags btfo

>>59206555

>i don't watch porn.
>i really couldn't care for intel or amd.
>I just like to start shit.

gets called out, feels bad, starts to back peddle "b-but i was just joking guys i-its the internet i don't really c-care ha ha"

$ goes before the digits retard, but yes i do agree buying $500+ CPUs/GPUs is autistic rich or poor

>>59206629

He had an ax to grind for sure.

>>59206655
Wait a week for AMD to fix something that should never have even been broken in the first place?

AMDtards just love to shovel shit directly into their mouths and pay for it.

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>>59206629
>Ryzen does seem to, on average, had better minimum framerates than both the 7700k and 6900k. And it shows even more at 1440p
The test shows that this statement.......was a lie

>>59206623
being this invested in a mediocre computer part

>>59206685

Yup, AMD fucked up, because they couldn't test it thenselves apparently.

Now that they can't escape it, they have to figure it out fast what the problem is.

>>59206669
Explain what GN has to gain by doing a "hit job" on AMD.

Explain the "vendetta" Steve has against AMD.

>>59206706
>AMD getting beat in their own sponsored game by an Intel processor that costs $160 less

You cant make this shit up.

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Before
>muh DX12 drivers

>>59206696

I'm sorry, did you just get butt blasted over flaming straw man arguments?

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>>59206722
It gets worse

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I'm not sure why Ars didn't do the 99th percentile test for this one

However, by now you've probably noticed a trend....

>>59206721

Intel preferential treatment.

Fabricating drama to create intrigue and establishing legitimacy for his site and channel.

To name a couple.

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Although in fairness it held its own in some games.....but they're all older games

Say it with me!

ANOTHER
MASSIVE
DISAPPOINTMENT

>>59206762

That a different site gives different test results?

Show gamersnexus benches.

Migrate intelfags >>59205681

>>59206629

steve is going to be releasing the e-mails of the convos with amd, so we will see who's telling the truth

>they only tested 4 fucking games

6 games, and they picked all good ones to bench

watch dogs 2 - cpu intenstive game, good game to bench for a cpu

battlefield 1 - amd sponsored game, game amd was showing off when demoing ryzen

ashes of the singularity - amd sponsored game, heavily benchmarked every where

gta v - built-in benchmark, nothing wrong with benching it

metro: last night - cpu intenstive game

total war warhammer - amd sponsored game, good benchmark

stop trying to throw this on gamers nexus, amd fucked up.

>>59206796
>showing that other sites are starting to find the exact same thing as the site in the OP is bad

>>59206800
I want to see tests with decent clocked memories, not that 2133 CL17 shit everyone is pulling out.

>>59206460
>>59206623
>>59206814
What's with all the reddit spacing?

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Oh.......oh no

(also the fuck is the 7700k doing there)

>>59206819

This isn't about ars faggot. This is about one ass hole going SJW to make a name for himself.

>>59206803
More I see fucking review scores of 1800x less I trust all of them, what the fuck is GTA5 doing on par with Intel?

Most reviewers shot it way lower, like 15% lower.

>>59206687
>>59206706
two games. Go fuck yourself.

Gamer Nexus own tests shows it has 15% higher minimum framerate in BF1 over the 7700k.
For some reviewers, the majority of games they tested showed higher minimum framerates over the 7700k even though averages were usually lower.

And as for Ashes, they're going to patch an update for Ryzen. Old news, shill.

This is the usual AMD shit. Bad launch, but in a year later the Ryzen 3 will be twice as powerful as the 6950X.

>>59206814

AMD fucked up, but he wasn't 100% honest was he?

>>59206865
Have you paid attention to the rest of the benchmarks I've been dumping? They (almost) all show the same thing.

Face it, 1800X has issues

>>59206814
This.

Gamers Nexus has been nothing but reputable so far.

AMD is looking very very bad right now, I don't see how anyone could defend this behavior.

>>59206898

Who's denying that?

>>59206886
>but in a year later the Ryzen 3 will be twice as powerful as the 6950X

So delusional

Why there is huge discrepancy is gaming benchmarks for reviewers today? Is this something related to BIOS update?

>AMD_LisaSuCEO of AMD 148 points 48 minutes ago
>Ryzen is doing really well in 1440p and 4K gaming when the applications are more graphics bound. And we do exceptionally well in rendering and workstation applications where more cores are really useful. In 1080p, we have tested over 100+ titles in the labs…. And depending on the test conditions, we do better in some games and worse in others. We hear people on wanting to see improved 1080p performance and we fully expect that Ryzen performance in 1080p will only get better as developers get more time with “Zen”. We have over 300+ developers now working with "Zen" and several of the developers for Ashes of Singularity and Total Warhammer are actively optimizing now

>>59206909
>>>>>gaming
>nexus
only doing 6 games is not reputable.

I have a lot of trouble believing that AMD tried to get them to not show any 1080 benchmarks.
I've only seen 1 reviewer out of like 20 that didn't show 1080p benchmarks, only because they said they have those coming for a more in depth benchmark video. So I'm supposed to believe AMD tried to get all these people to not do any 1080p benchmarks and didn't succeed with one of them?

>>59206767

gamers nexus have been reputable forever, why is it that all of the sudden they are trying to drum up fake drama? just because they've exposed something that goes against your narrative? stop it, you sound ridiculous.

>>59206814
>ashes of the singularity - amd sponsored game, heavily benchmarked every where
Ashes is a shit game, but is a great benchmark tool.

>Entry 9 = 1 if the CPU was waiting for the GPU, 0 otherwise. If 1, the application is GPU bound, if 0, CPU bound.

>>59206909
Amdrones are nintendo tier cult. They will defend anytjing.

>But isn't it unfair to compare CPUs if there is GPU bottleneck? Then all CPUs will perform similarly.

>AMD_RobertTechnical Marketing[S] 21 points 17 minutes ago
>First, I think it's important that readers get a complete picture of a processor. People who have 1440p and 4K displays deserve to read how their potential processor will perform on the monitor they have. Don't you agree? We're also not shying away from the 1080p results. We clearly have some work to do with game developers on some of these titles to invest in the vital optimizations that can so dramatically improve an application's performance on a new microarchitecture. This takes time, but we'll get it done. But what's also clear is that there's a distribution of games that run well, and a distribution of games that run poorly. Call it a "bell curve" if you will. It's unfortunate that the outliers are some notable titles, but many of these game devs (e.g. Oxide, Sega, Bethesda) have already said there's significant improvement that can be gleaned. We have proven the Zen performance and IPC. Many reviewers today proved that, at 1080p in games. There is no architectural reason why the remaining titles should be performing as they are.

>>59206956

Ask Steve why he's throwing AMD under the bus for asking him to include 1440 and 4k benchmarks as well.

>>59206942
>Literally every benchmark shows the same. Ryzen 1800x being 15% behind 7700k in games.
>There is even a thread with an Intel autistic shill posting over 20 benchmarks all showing the same on different sites.
>Another retarded shill, this time AMD one, spams one benchmark of some Mexican gaymer - a massive AMD shill that cares so much that he even releases response videos to other Youtubers criticizing AMD (ie: AdoredTV and Gamers Nexus).
>G-guys why is there such a massive discrepancy in gaming benchmarks?

Seriously stop, it's embarrassing.

>>59206950
Look at JayzTwoCents twitter a day ago

They literally told him to hold off on his review 1 day before the launch because they had "new instructions on how to review it"

They are trying to rig this shit so hard, AMD is so scummy

>>59206767
>Intel preferential treatment
GN's testing and verdict was plenty fair and doesn't warrant "preferential treatment" from Intel. They can't recommend it for gaming, but from their testing it seems like a great value for people doing rendering.

GN will continue to see the same treatment from Intel and AMD.

>Fabricating drama
There's nothing dramatic about this review. It's straightforward benchmarks.
>Create intrigue
While it's certainly intriguing that these are the results they got, they aren't gadflys.
>Establishing legitimacy
Was the channel not legit before this review? They've already established plenty of legitimacy with how thorough their thermal testing is.

>To name a couple.
Name some more, if they are so numerous.

Now, there are reasons to wait on this review a bit. The UEFI update still needs to be released, but I'm sure there will be an update to this review to see if that update changed anything.

There was always a catch with Ryzen and they're on their way to showing it. Not to say that Ryzen is bad, it's just that I suspected some drawbacks at the prices AMD were offering and a lot of people in the tech community are on their way to finding out what that catch is.

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>>59206992

>>59206942
Yes. There seems to be major issues with motherboards and BIOS. Windows probably needs updates as well.

https://youtu.be/G_6rs9cBzvE?t=687

>>59206956
They can dump emails showing shady shit all they want. But even if it's true, it's not an excuse to make their "review" so obviously bias. They're a gaming focused site that only tested 6 games. And there were areas that the Ryzen did well in those gaming tests that they completely ignored and gave nothing but negatives.

Almost every other reviewer has noted that Ryzen has seemingly no stuttering problem that the 7700k has in some games, and often has much higher minimum frame rates even though the averages are often lower. Lots of other reviewers also pointed out that there seems to be a lot of issues with gaming performance that may get fixed, and that they're going to be looking into them.

Again, even if AMD tried to pull some Intel shit themselves, that's no excuse to mislead your audience by doing a biased "review" in revenge.

>>59206958
An update for Ashes to fix its performance on Ryzen is coming. Oxide confirmed it many hours ago. They said it's been in the works and is looking great, but isn't quite finished yet.

>>59206950

>only doing 6 games is not reputable.

hardware canucks also tested 6 games

eteknix only tested 2 games

guru 3d only tested 4 games

i believe linus tech tips only tested either 5-6 games as well

it's a fucking cpu not a gpu, you're going to test out some cpu intensive games and thats it

>t-test more i swear its going to win eventually

stop it man

>>59207028
How is it bias? I read through his whole review, it was incredibly detailed and fair.

>>59206999
>They literally told him to hold off on his review 1 day before the launch because they had "new instructions on how to review it"
Because there are UEFI/BIOS problems that still aren't solved. They still weren't solved the day the NDA lifted. Some reviewers are refraining from even releasing benchmarks yet because each update keeps wildly changing results.

It's not some conspiracy, you retard. AMD is just awful at launches. Like how the RX480 was 10% worse than the 1060 and now it's better especially at higher resolutions.

>>59207001

With the caveat that most rendering work would be better done on the GPU anyways.

The issue is that he didn't point out that Zens minimum frames were higher than the 7700k. And that he's been vocal about feeling pressured to include 4k instead of 1080, when AMD employees routinely called it "an unfair characterization".

So what does he gain by trying to drag this out in the open other then he is terrible at dealing with people?

>>59207089
BIOS issues aren't even necessarily AMD's fault, its the fault of the board vendor, or their subcontractors who they have develop BIOSes for them.

>>59207127

No, this is on AMD for not making sure their oartners are fully prepared.

>>59207089
Wrong, they told him to change the review methodology, it had nothing to do with a UEFI update of any kind.

They were literally instructing him on how to review the CPU.

Just think about how scammy that is, they were trying to rig the reviews.

>>59207127
By that logic Vista was an outstanding success

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXVIPo_qbc4

Your little intelshill dicklet there got BTFO, OP

>>59207001
>what that catch is
Ryzen avx units are dual 128bit while intel avx is 256bit. The later is larger than 2x128 and increases die size while lowers yields.

>>59207089
If there are UEFI/BIOS problems that are dragging down performance then why launch tomorrow w/ pre-orders being accepted almost a week in advance? Why let board partners (who are at fault here, apparently) sell motherboards that need Day One patches? This is the same issue with software being launched buggy as hell to grab some quick cash. It's a dishonest practice no matter who does it. I think it's a sign of some weakness when AMD is suggesting that reviews come out after the product launches. They aren't as confident in their product as their press conferences would suggest.

>>59207112
True, rendering work is better done on the GPU, but you still get a good value for the money with Ryzen. Intel might be better when factoring in the GPU but that margin is very slim and you save hundreds of dollars. For someone who is looking for a CPU for rendering, how is that not a great thing?

>>59206977
Because when you do benchmarks at higher resolutions you're creating GPU bottlenecks instead of actually testing the capabilities of your CPU.
But then again he did say that so you already know

cool benchmarks, are there any good ones with like.. 1440p and 2160p so we don't have to see baby shit?

>>59207028
>call it like it is
>"1800x is not good value for gaming, wait for the 1700 review"
>"1800x is recommended over the 6900k for those specific workloads"
Oh wow he's so fucking bias amiright

Considering how many corners AMD cut with Ryzen is still an impressive cpu. And I do have to thank them for the massive discount I got on my 7700K, it was selling cheaper than the 6700K on my local retailer

>>59207247
cuz AMD sucks dick at launches.

I agree it's BOTH the board partners and AMD's fault.

>>59207148
Holy fuck dude all they were doing is telling him things like to enable High Performance Mode in windows and shit. They are just recommendations on how to make the chips perform better.

You act like they were telling him to fake results. This is something EVERY company does every launch. Intel, Nvidia, AMD. People are just making a big deal of it now because they're afraid of their babbylake becoming obsolete when software and BIOS updates come.

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>mfw not a games man

will it render pdfs faster

>>59207286
You might as well go and buy a FX8350 and OC it or some Intel i3 shit since any of those will reach 60FPS and since you want 4K they can do 30FPs no problems since you won't be able to hit 60FPS with currents GPUs.

>>59206977

i don't understand how that's throwing amd under the bus? he's just being transparent, you should praise this, more publications and reviewers should be open

jayztwocents also came out and said amd emailed him telling him to change some reviews or some shit, either way it's not GN out on a crusade to shit on amd

>>59207500
Probably.

>not a games man
Ironically, neither is Steve.

>>59207473
>Holy fuck dude all they were doing is telling him things like to enable High Performance Mode in windows and shit.

no, its a bit beyond that. AMD told several reviewers to pull gaming benchmarks unless they were gone at 4k (to hide the bad performance). they even went so far as to threaten to blacklist a few people from future reviews.

thankfully most of the reviewers have stood up to AMD, notable exception being anandtech.

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>>59207500
>render pdfs
>top concern

>>59207500
is your pdf encoder able to use 16 threads?

>>59207500
If you write one.

>>59207622
I don't write pdfs, I just look at them.

>>59207533
This.

It's totally fucked up, AMD is trying to scam people.

>>59207533
[citation needed]

>>59206115
Was shitposting it was over but wow, it's really over. rip AMD.

>>59207533
>>>59207473
>>Holy fuck dude all they were doing is telling him things like to enable High Performance Mode in windows and shit.
>no, its a bit beyond that. AMD told several reviewers to pull gaming benchmarks unless they were gone at 4k (to hide the bad performance). they even went so far as to threaten to blacklist a few people from future reviews.
>thankfully most of the reviewers have stood up to AMD, notable exception being anandtech.
WEW

No serious PC gamer cares about 4K, that's when I realized that something was fishy. Consistent framerates of 144 or higher is what matters.

4K will be a great way to benchmark once GPU's are actually capable of doing it without bottlenecking the CPU. As for now, 1080p/1440p are way better ways to benchmark.

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>>59207533
>AMD told several reviewers to pull gaming benchmarks unless they were gone at 4k

[citation needed]

Ryzen seems slightly worse than Intel's offerings for gaming, but then that was always somewhat expected- as long as it got close, that's a win for AMD really.

This whole narrative about AMD being misleading with reviewers and 'RYZEN IS TERRIBLE LOL' reeks of an Intel funded FUD campaign, though.

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>>59207784
>slightly worse

A $500 Ryzen CPU is getting beat by a $160 Intel CPU

>>59207784
>Ryzen seems slightly worse than Intel's offerings for gaming, but then that was always somewhat expected- as long as it got close, that's a win for AMD really.

sandy bridge performance in 2017 isn't a win.

>>59206331
>professional market is bigger and upgrades alot more frequently
citation needed

>>59207810
>DX11 fallout 4

Wow it's as if this is literally meaningless

>>59207533
cool fake spin benjamin

>>59205907

y'all need to check out the AMD damage control post over on reddit by the AMD president

>>59207810
>mfw all I care about is consistent framerates in primarily single-threaded oldass games
>bought i5-6600k, Z170 MoBo, and DDR4 RAM on black friday weekend sale @ microcenter for dirt cheap
Not waiting was the best decision of my computer part buying life

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>>59207843
Yes just like all of the benchmarks that show the same thing are completely worthless

LOL

>>59207843

Yeah because focusing all the testing solely on games nobody play or care to upgrade for makes so much sense...

>>59207934

Still running on an I5 3570K, 8GB DDR3 1600 and a GTX770 which is my only "recent" upgrade along with switching all my HDDs with two SSDs.

At this rate I'll have to wait until my power supply ,which must be a decade old now, just dies before I can justify building a new rig...

I do music production + gaymen, should I just get a 7700k and overclock it?

>>59208322
Yes

7700k is better in almost all productivity apps too

>>59206838
newfag

>>59207814

So why hasn't intel improved?

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>>59205907

OY GEVALT! IT IS ANUDDA SHOAH!

>>59208874
SHUT IT DOWN

THE GOYIM KNOW

>trusting companies ever

holy shit you guys deserve to be ripped off. of course official benchmarks are manipulated if possible and the rules are vague.

>>59208844

because you keep buying their products even if its 1% improvement

>>59208844
Intel does improve, by like 15% each generation

>>59205907
thanks. jesus i didn't realize that AMD are the true jews

AMD are scam artists

>>59206114
He did do a test with CSGO and even if razen got 150-200 ish I think, intel 7700 got 250+ fps. It was a big difference that he blew off with saying monitors don't even refresh that fast so there no point.

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>>59205907
NICE TRY INTEL

>>59211042
I can still tell the difference in panning between 200 and 300 fps without having a 240Hz monitor because of the mouse movement which is solely clientside with no lag correction

>>59213074
True, super high FPS can be very good for fast reaction games

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ITT: butthurt Intel 7700K faggots with buyer's remorse

I will receive my AMD RYZEN 1700 in the mail today and I'm gonna post a picture of it here

>>59211042
it doesn't really matter to begin with because people are comparing an Octacore with Quadcores

>>59213262
Congrats, you willingly decided to buy a worse CPU

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>>59208874
post full version next time

>>59206669
Nah he probably just got his hair in his face and misread the instructions. This is why you get a hair cut instead of looking like a homeless NEET.

If you want to mine some AMD salt, check out this thread it's hilarious

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5x3f3v/amd_ryzen_7_1800x_review_gamersnexus/

Steve just mad at amd because amd dont give money like intel

asking for favor for 0 pay, fuck that

Steve is pretty based desu

It's not the CPU's job to be massively multithreaded, it's the GPU's: >>59214968
AMD kids are illiterate in technology.
They pretend a CPU is a GPU

FUNNY.

this whole thread is funny.

You /v/ cucks only care about gaming performance and brand Ryzen DOA...

Please do /g/ a favor and >>>/v/

>>59206377
If you're a gamer, you buy R5. R7 is too expensive for gaming.

Gamers Nexus is pretty good.

Shame benchmarks have been all over the place. Not his fault though. Hopefully with time the current BIOS issues will be ironed out and the CPUs retested, without the rush of a release date to hurry everyone.

>>59206004
you have to go back to tumblr

>>59217747
>Gamers Nexus is pretty good.
look, I believe that they got those numbers with 1080p

but hell, that whole review was such a cringefest
>smirks
>chuckles
>smugface.jpg

also even gruru3d tested 7700K at 4k, but not 1800x
mystery
and 1800x somehow works best at 1440/4k for some magical reason only when you change CPU fps drops at 1440/4k

Wasnt this shill trying hard to defend evga exploding card. and same faget tryin to burn PCI using rx480 and fail, dont even bother to publish the result or say it cant happen

>implying Intel and Nvidia aren't just as bad

This is exactly why you never trust benchmarks run by the manufacturer.
The purpose of third-party benchmarks is to provide an objective comparison (at least in theory).
The purpose of manufacturer benchmarks is to convince you to buy their shit.

>>59217871
>and same faget tryin to burn PCI using rx480 and fail
what happened to that? I waited for burned motherboard, but he said "oh well, it's too hard let's leave it" or something like that
at least fucking confirm it didn't break anything, god

>>59217800
If you can't stand the face but like his methodology, you're better off reading the article that accompanies the video.

>>59217981
>but like his methodology
not really, I like FCAT graphs more than min/max bullshit they pull

also it's not about his face, he was like that only in ryzen particular video, it's like he was high or something

>>59217911
Have there been actual cases of PCIe slots burning. All I know is that, at worst, the computer will shut down

>>59218006
>min/max
they don't do min/max, though
They do percentiles. Even if FCAT graphs are what you consider the best, percentiles are still a much better alternative to plain min/max.

>>59218024
I would love to see core utliziation real time in watch dogs Vs the 16 thread broadwell they had.

>>59218041
The closest you can get to actually see CPU utilization is by looking at Joker's video. He's doing it through the overlay that MSI Afterburner has. He seems to be the only one, that I know so far, that actually shows it.

>>59218024
>Have there been actual cases of PCIe slots burning.
no. but at least have guts to tell you failed to burn motherboard or you didn't try

>>59218068
Techcity has some forhonor and gta5 fragments with 1700x utilization.

>>59211042
There is no point you tards

>>59205907
Oy vey! How dare these goyim expect reviews at relevant and everyday resolutions! [autistic screeching]

>>59207164
The GPU is clearly bottlenecked in those tests you fucking retarded AMDrone.

>>59217881
True, but AMDtards just lap up anything AMD says and take it as gospel.

It's like a religion, blind faith in AMD, sad.

UPDATE

>Explaining Ryzen Review Differences (Again)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBf0lwikXyU

>>59219179
Meh.
I like AMD a lot but I still never assumed they'd never do things like this, or never did do them.

Every company gives a review guide, a procedure that shows how their product best tests.

But AMD didn't tell people to run things in the background to make the 7700k perform disproportionately worse. But they didn't tell people not to disclose that that's what they were testing. It's actually a reasonable test, as I leave plenty of applications running that use a significant amount of CPU while I game. I don't close down my browsers, twitch, irc, steam, discord, etc.
They didn't demand people to only do 4k and to specifically not do 1080p. And their 4K tests are actually REALLY good. Ryzen seems to be incredibly good with minimum and consistent frame rates, which makes it often get the top performer over the 6900k, 6800k, 7700k, anything in 4K. So why should they not want those shown for people gaming in 4K?

The shaddiest thing they did was the Sniper Elite demo having the looking up toward the skybox to improve frames. Yeah, that was appalling, but not nearly as bad as what Intel and Nvidia have done in the past. ("game-ready drivers" that disable rendering some things to improve performance for benchmarks)
The review guides thing is literally nothing.

>>59220088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04p_ryVM2ow

>>59220096

amd should be called out just like intel and nvidia gets called out

is amd the lesser of evils? sure, i agree with that

>>59220163
I don't disagree. Just don't frame it like they're the worst at this. They're absolutely not. They're still the most transparent of all the big hardware companies even after this.

>>59220163
I think AMD's marketing is more scammy than any of them

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>>59213262
>ITT: butthurt Intel 7700K faggots with buyer's remorse
>I will receive my AMD RYZEN 1700 in the mail today and I'm gonna post a picture of it here
>this level of projection

>>59220177

amd is definitely not the worst, i don't think people truly believe that as well

>>59220223

>amd
>marketing

their marketing is too shit to even be scammy

>>59205907
REMINDER. MSR (main-stream reviewers), ARE THE ENEMY AND ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED! THEY HAVE ALL BEEN BOUGHT AND SOLD BY JEWISH LOBBYISTS. THE SAME JEWISH LOBBYISTS WHO MOLEST PRE-PUBESCENT GAMERS!

>>59220111
Isn't Gamers Nexus confirming here that AMD asked for 4k and 1440p in addition to 1080p?

Some fucking shill on /g/ claimed Gamers Nexus had emails he was going to release showing AMD tried to bully them into not showing 1080 LMAO

>>59220313

they do have e-mails but i don't think that's what they said amd was trying to do

"bully them" wtf

>>59215831
it is DOA though

>>59220350
No one disbelieves that AMD asked them to run 1440p and 4k. Even unabashed AMD fangays like me believe that.
They just don't believe AMD seriously tried to get them to not do 1080p benchmarks at all.

>>59220088

>"the 1800x is currently getting rekt in game benchmarks, are you guys seeing that?"

HOLY SHIT LOL

>>59220088
He says right there 4 minutes in that there are big differences from one motherboard to the next.

>>59220088
This shit he says is manipulative since he doesn't account for FRAME DRAW LATENCY and lack of stutters. That is actually a big deal to bottleneck, because any stutters and latency in frame draw does still become a big deal and you get slightly different frame rates even at 4k.

I think he's just a moron that doesn't actually understand the process of drawing a frame.

He says it's "objectively not better", but it's not in every way, when most other reviewers that have recorded graphs of frame draw times, Ryzen often had better minimums and little to not stutters when the 7700k and 6900k both stutter a lot in many games.

So yeah, this video, especially around 20-23 minutes, convinces me that this guy is a moron.

>>59220088
this guy is based as fuck

kudos to him for exposing amd like the cancer they are

>>59221931
Seriously he is, just tells it like it is

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>>59206265
This. The damage control from Intel shills is on overdrive. Intel keeps losing stock rupees too.