/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

New X1 Carbon for $1090, why shouldn't I pull the trigger?

So with an original lenovo 6 cell battery on my x220 on hackintosh I get about 2 hours 45 minutes of usage (with shit playing on safari tabs, be it video or music)

Is this considered good? For my usage it's fine, but I'd like to check your opinions

>>59199630
No full size Ethernet, only two USB Type A ports, no VGA, no Slice battery, no Dock option.

What would you do with a new X1 Carbon that you can't do with an X230?

>>59199630

I want one too but waiting for MUH REVIEWS

>own a thinkpad T420 and an ideapad Y510p
>love both for their particular niches, even as they represent contrasting ends of Lenovo quality (former being a brick shithouse designed to not need a trip to the factory to repair, latter having paint flaking off and chassis material chipping away and just generally falling apart even though it doesn't seem to want to give up the ghost just yet)

>the fact that they swap the placement of the Fn and left Ctrl between the two drives me up the wall more than the other character quirks of either machine

Who the fuck decided they couldn't standardize just this one quirk?

It's the only thing that makes switching between the two a pain in the ass, I always end up shifting my key presses off by a column.

>>59200129
Can't you just replace the keyboard?

>>59200129
>>59200176
There's a bios setting to swap fn and ctrl, as long as you don't mind your keys being labeled incorrectly.

>>59200176

>Y510p

>replace anything

top kek

>>59199987

>HD4000 vs HD630

>5 hours vs 14 hours battery life

>What would you do with a new X1 Carbon that you can't do with an X230?


gee I don't know, that's a tough question hmmmm

>>59200501
I'm getting around 12-20 hours of life from my X230T.

>>59200129
I had a Y510p for a year because I took a job with a lot of traveling when I got out of university, so I still wanted to play MUH GAEMS on the go.

I did not think it was a completely horrible computer, definitely better than the consumer laptops my friends were using, but it was no up to the standard I was used to. Screen wobbled when you typed, touchpad was atrocious to the point of being unusable, no TrackPoint, generally mediocre keyboard. It did, however, pack a lot of power for the money, and the screen was nicer than anything I've seen in a non-W series Thinkpad.

I sold it after only a year and a half of ownership when I took a desk job and generally quit video games. Bought for $950, sold for $750, I don't think I did too bad. But I was glad to be back on my T400, the comfiness was worth the loss of speed.

>>59201115
Yeah I liked it for the vidya pixel pushing myself, but the gripes you listed weren't my problems, hell I largely had no issue with those things other than gunk always finding its way into the touchpad.

No, it was the realization years later that the optical drive was unreliable garbage that could barely stream a DVD without stuttering let alone even burn a single disc without giving up immediately, and the SD card reader triggering BSODs without fail when used. Really bizarre character defects that I could never seem to fix that only get in the way in fringe scenarios, really, but boy did it blow chunks when those fringe cases cropped up.

I'm still holding onto it because it's better at being the unmoving desktop stand-in than the thinkpad, but the thinkpad is far better at being a laptop, and I can see the Think out lasting the Idea too thanks to being designed with field repair in mind.

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How'd I do /tpg/?

>$30 R61 Thinkpad
>$8 T8700 CPU
>$5 new thermal paste
>$5 hard drive caddy
>$10 2 X 2gb ram
>$15 new battery
>$30 charger and dock
>FREE cheapo 240gb SSD
>FREE cheapo carbon fiber wrap

Total Cost: under $100

So the specs are:
>Windows 10 home
>Core 2 Duo T8300 @ 2.53ghz
>4gb DDR2 @ 332Mhz
>1440x900 15.4” LCD
>Nvidia Quadro NVS 140m
>240gb VisionTek SSD


It's pretty quick and runs really cool and quiet. Has the modified BIOS for the upgraded SATA speeds and for CPU compatibility. For those against the R model; the R61 was only slightly thicker than the T61 and didn't really miss any features of the T61. Plus it was dirt cheap on eBay so can't complain. It's a great beater laptop.

>>59200444
You could swap the t420 keyboard though

>buy t410
>urge to purchase more thinkpads despite mine running fine
why this

>>59201512
Wow, great job. I'd do that again if I could

>>59201512
Shoot I made a typo. The CPU I listed first was a T8700 which doesn't exist. It's the T8300 I listed in the specs.

>>59201608
Thanks man, sometimes you can find these torn down surplus ThinkPads for cheap on eBay. It was really only a $30 risk.

>>59201592
tis the life of a thinkpad owner

>>59201512
This is great
In true spirit of the Thinkpad

>>59199987
>What would you do with a new X1 Carbon that you can't do with an X230?
Look like a functioning member of society.
Kaby Lake 15w CPUs tend to outperform Sandy and Ivy 35w CPUs while using less than half the power.
New components and warranty.

The x230 is still a fine machine, but there are plenty of reasons to get a new X1C. The lightness and profile can appeal to those in professional settings who have the income to invest in a new machine. A new computer can be considered a luxury or pure capital. A used computer can give certain nostalgic satisfactions, and be very practical.

A valid question, though I feel that it's loaded with presumption..

>>59200600
Post specs and settings. Too much bullshit in /tpg/

>>59201512
Looks nice. There's not enough love for the R series IMO, some of them are capable machines. Why do you need the CF wrap though?

>>59201592
>>59202216
I only have 5 coming today.

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>>59202687
If you only had pre-2009 ThinkPads to choose from, what would you be using?

>>59200600

no you dont, with that shit 99C gpu.

>>59199515

OK I jumped aboard the meme train and bought a refurbished T420. Unfortunately it now refuses to charge and will not turn on even when plugged in at the mains.

I have tried removing the battery for 30 secs and then pressing the power on button with no success.

Any idea how to troubleshoot this or should I just return it and get a refund?

>>59202687
The lid was scratched up to all hell. It was either Plastidip, disassemble and paint, or wrap.

Plastidip won't last and tends to be kinda grippy which you don't want for a laptop sliding in and out of a backpack.
Painting was just way too much work.
Wrap was fairly quick and easy, plus I had some extra sitting around. Modernized the look too. Doesn't look like a dinosaur anymore so it honestly attracts less attention.

>>59201512
>>59203354
The T series gets so much love it makes me worry the R is obscure for a reason

Does it have a rollcage?

>>59203380
The difference between the T61 and R61 were two things.
Size/weight
Performance Options

The T61 just had more options for better processors, better GPUs, and more ram, while being a little slimer and a little lighter.

The R61 still has a full roll cage. If you can deal with it being slightly thicker and heavier, then the R61 is the better deal. I can't speak for other models of ThinkPads though. Other R models have been known to skip out on bug features. The 61 just didn't have much variation between T and R.

>>59186651
Understood, thank you.

>>59202687
send me thinkpads. thx

>>59202763
Using today?
If I only had one, a 14" T61p with a T7700 on a 42W7873 or 44C3924. I tend to prefer the former, but neither is worth meming over these days. A note is that the T61p with dGPU came with an improved fan and heatsink that will serve you well if you make a dGPU Frankenpad. Also, never forget to be wary of all dGPU T61 models with board manufacture before 08/08.

A close runner up would be the X301. I'm surprised more people aren't shitposting on these. Easily one of the best feeling Thinkpads ever made.

The X40, T42, R51, A31P, and of course the 600 come to mind as comfy machines to use.

That's my answer if I were only to have them "stock."

>>59203354
One sticker is arguably better than 20. I'm still looking for an accurate Thinkpad finish method.

>>59203380
They are a bit thicker and a bit heavier than their T counterparts, which can help with heat dissipation, and may or may not be a problem for you. Contrary to popular belief, they have been known for their sturdy subframes.

I can post up a the insides of an R51 later. No use doing the R61, as it was exactly the same as the T61.

That being said, the T Series is more desirable for many people, and offers better upper-end options. But build quality is found in both series. Several guides tell you to only buy the X, T, and W series. This is a good heuristic, but you are missing out on Thinkpads if you don't consider the R series, especially at the prices they go for.

>>59199630
I paid $900 for a refurb'd X1C3 after it been out for 6 or so months.

Get it

>>59201512
Very nice price.
I liked the thickness of them.

>>59202763
T61 i sold my aunt has a bad GPU. Thinking of heat gunning it and applying the FSB mod, maybe quadcore it?

I still have my goopy X61T and X300, so those I guess?

>>59203657
Yeah exactly. I don't like the "sticker bin" laptop lids.

You could sand it down and buff it like you would with car paint. Relatively cheap option and not too much work with an OEM like finish.
Also you can go onto AliExpress and buy a roll of vinyl wrap in whatever you want. They have all colors of carbon fiber and chromes, but you'll probably want a satin, matte, or gloss wrap. A satin red or gray might look really good.

And the R series really go for dirt cheap. The fixrupper T61s were $60 and the R61s were around $30.

>>59203770
I would rather have a T61 thickness but I can't complain for the price. It is heavy and makes me wish for a lighter 15" but again, nothing is going to beat that price and it's nice knowing that it's indestructible and even if I dropped my backpack in a puddle it'd probably be fine.

I also was thinking of the quad core route but it's not worth it for what I'm doing. Also my R61 has the dreaded Nvidia 140M but with some TPFan tweaking, new thermal paste, and different clock speed settings, it should be good for a while.

>>59203770
The X300 and X301 processors are a real shame.
The computers are so sexy.

how easy is it to replace an x200t screem

>>59204078
5 minutes. and something to unscrew the screws.
Just be sure that the screen connector is in place.

Has anyone here bought a refurbished laptop from Lenovo's outlet before? if so, how was the condition etc? Thanks

Thinkpads came. 2 of them are 15" 4:3 T60. One of them is a 15" T60p with 1600x1200 UXGA IPS.

There's about to be a new meme machine on the team.

>>59205105
I notice most of the T/X60s run pretty warm, is that normal/safe?

I dropped my t420 a few days ago, now it randomly goes into sleepmode and come outs of it again, everything else is working but it seems like it looses power for a quick second before coming back on, how to fix?

>>59205161
It's the wireless card used in that generation.

Can someone give a straightforward guide about getting an eGPU on an X230? Some recommend an EXP GDC Beast v8 while others post a different device, but I can't tell if that information is out of date or something.

Additionally, has the 16gb issue been fixed, or is it simply a matter of avoiding certain clock frequencies or manufacturers? I currently have some really shitty 799 mhz 2x4gb crap.

I own a GTX 770, the specifications on Geforce.co.uk say that it's 230W. Can I still use the regular power brick? Speaking of which, what is the regular power brick? For Expresscard I can't find it bundled.

If someone can give me a clear "I did x with y device and 16gb of memory it worked fine" then I'll sell my desktop and take my 770 and Korean 1440p 90hz IPS display with me overseas to uni this time. eGPU / 16gb / i7 would be one saucy machine. Cheers.

How much for a 70++ battery for a quick sale?

>>59205161
Always check thermal paste on machines you buy now. They can run warm, the heatsink design is fastened at the CPU and held by spring tension elsewhere. However, the 42X4685 fan and heatsink assembly from the T61P can be fit in a T60 with slight modification to the T60 subframe. Also, most T60 heatsinks only have metal-and-compound contact on the CPU, whereas the T61p heatsink does not rely on a thermal pad for the GPU. It really makes a big difference.

Also, as >>59205499 mentioned, the wireless cards are generally replaced.

>>59201359
I actually never really used the optical drive in mine. I think it was only ever employed to rip music from CDs and install a few older games like Rise of Nations, Rome Total War and Civilization IV. There was one time where the computer was getting random BSODs for a while, and I could never figure out what it was. A later Windows update fixed almost everything. I think it was just shitty drivers.

The Idea line is still noticeably inferior to the Thinkpads, although the gap has been closing, and it is not a result of the Ideapads getting any better.

>>59202763
>>59203657
Definitely the X300 / X301 any day of the week. My dad still has an X300 from his high flyer corporate days, love that computer. I would be elated if Lenovo just gave these wonders better screens and updated the internals to give us an X380. I would be willing to buy it brand new, which is something I've never done with a Thinkpad before.

>>59203692
How are you liking the X1C? If the X380 never happens then I would definitely be checking that one out. Even if it is slightly less repairable than a T series, I feel the screen would be worth it.

>>59204037
The processor in the X301 is a substantial improvement over the X300, but yeah, they are both pretty long in tooth. I don't get why the computers struggle with so much shit on the modern internet, they are still more powerful than a lot of smartphones.

t430 best pad

>>59205512
I just happen to have a X230 and an eGPU.
And an EXP GDC.

It works well at expresscard 1.0 speeds.
At expresscard 2.0 speeds it might crash sometimes depending on cable placement and things like that (crashes occur randomly, they can happen three times ina row in 5 minutes or run pretty well for days and days before crashing again).

The problem is that the 1.0 speeds are low and the graphics card saturates the expresscard pci-express connection.

If 100% is the performance of a graphics card on a 16x PCI-express 3.0, we have:
>EC 1.0 with internal laptop monitor
60% speed
>EC 1.0 with external monitor
65-70% speed
>EC 2.0 with internal monitor
75-80% speed
>EC 2.0 with external monitor
85-90% speed

Always use an external monitor connected to the graphics card when possible, because that way the data only has to go in one direction (from pc to graphics card) and saturates the connection less. With an external monitor you also have far less crashes when running at EC 2.0 speeds.

The other connector usually mentioned doesn't crash at 2.0 speeds and is the better choice, but you have to pay some $20 compared with the EXP GDC.

If the graphics card has additional power connectors (it doesn't get all the power from the PCI-Express) you also need to invest on a power supply. A cheap $15 300W power supply is usually more than enough. You still need to connect the power brick to the laptop, of course.

Don't use 16GB of RAM.

And from what I've seen, temperatures using an eGPU are faaaar better than normal (the iGPU is deactivated), so the gaming session will be very silent and the CPU can push boost frequencies further without heating a lot.

How is W7 with thinkpads? Does it really get more battery life?

>>59206103
Windows 10 is the best operating system at managing battery life that I've seen so far.

win 10 > win8/8.1 > win7 = good linux distro > macOS > shitty linux distro

>>59200501
>5 hours
9 cell plus Slice gives you 20 hours

>>59206204
Best argument so far for a new X1 Carbon.

>>59202763
X61 tablet

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So I got my memepad yesterday, fiddled with it, opened it (I'm surprised at how easy and modular this shit is), I thought it didn't have any flaws as I bought it refurbished and it was in pristine fucking condition, and then I noticed while typing.

The L key was broken. Specifically this white thing at the right side is missing (pic related, excuse the poor quality). I can put it back and it seems as though it's being held just fine, until I decide to type something and suddenly the key pops out again.

What can I do to fix this that doesn't involve spending 40 fucking eurobucks on another keyboard? I mean shit, this keyboard is like new.

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noob here. I picked up an old T41 that has a bootloader that looks like pic related except the second option is some command line Unix OS. it BSODs every time I try to boot into Windows, and there's a blue Access IBM button that gives me a few options including restoring the system, and running a diagnostic utility. I tried the system restore option and it seemed to work but Windows just BSODs on boot again, though sometimes I see the logo for a split second. I thought maybe the hard drive was broken but I ran the diagnostic option and it didn't seem to indicate so. any clue what's wrong? I'll show pics of the diagnostic results if that helps.

I also tried running a live Xubuntu USB but every option on the startup screen makes the computer crash

>>59202687
>Post specs and settings. Too much bullshit in /tpg/
i5-3520M
8GB RAM, mixed DDR3/3L.
Samsung 840 PRO SSD (256GB)
6 cell battery + 6 cell slice
Brightness at 5/15
Wi-Fi on. Browsing websites, webconfig consoles, Wi-Fi site surveys.

Typically I get 12-14 hours, but if I am not in a bright location, I can turn the brightness down to the 0-3 range and get 14-20 hours depending on usage.

>>59206478
>Brightness at 5/15
I don't see how people do this. Do you all stay at home with the lights off?

>>59206057

worst fan tho

>>59206302
> Ö

>>59206302

Remap the L key to some other key duh.

>>59206478
>6 cell battery + 6 cell slice

this unpractical frankenstein shit doesnt count you stupid idiot.

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>own a T420 for the last couple of years
>45C idle all day everyday
>today I turn it on, changed literally nothing, no updates, nothing software, hardware, I didn't even move it, not even the pieces of paper on my desk.
>all of a sudden 33C while idle, same load temps tho, @ same ambient temp.
>33C idle

what the fuck, are my thermals fucked? what now?

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I fucked up my poor X40 by accidentally letting systemd reinstall and then my internet didn't work but through elite command line magic I undid it.

WHEW, I just cracked a beer in celebration.

T570 looks like it'll be pretty goo-
>940MX
Why would they ship a new laptop with last year's low-end gpu?

>>59206795
Why unpractical? It doesn't increase footprint.

>>59207007
>footprint.
I know you've got a lot of trash to store on your desk and you need the most area you can get. Sorry anyone here ever questioned your thick, heavy, inefficient laptop in favor of a new X1 Carbon.

>>59207075
>desk
Oh I get it now. Don't worry, we'll have that misconception resolved in no time. You see, there are people who have something called a "job". You might have never heard of it but the important part is: These people actually leave their home and sometimes use their laptop in places where little space is available. Sometimes they even spend 12 hours or more on the road without an outlet anywhere near. In that case, weight is only a minor concern. A switchable battery and full size VGA and Ethernet are more important. I don't expect you to understand that but maybe one day the Job Fairy will award you with work and income.

>>59199515
Hello, are there non-whitelisted old ThinkPads on which I can use a quad-core i7 CPU?

>>59207292
t520/t530

>>59207282
For your own sake, don't feed the troll.

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>>59207075
>X1 Carbon
That thing has a chicklet board, fuck off Chang.

>>59207306
Thank you.

>>59206778
you know, thanks for the idea. I'm going to replace the retainer with some other key I don't use too often.

>>59207292
T420,430 and their 5xx counterparts along with the W series iirc

>>59207361
AFAIK I can't boot with this CPU with my T420, but thank you for the answer.

>>59207004
I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention, but didn't Nvidia completely skip 1000 series mobile GPUs? I know there's 1000 series MXM cards but they're full-power desktop chips.

>>59207387
which CPU?

I'm running a 2720QM T420, no additional configuration needed.

>>59207075
Oh wow, the retardedness is unbearable. Go ahead, use your "actually useful" laptop, Babby.

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>keep thinking about getting a thinkpad x230 ((t))
>watch ebay and craigslist
>everything cheap is probably hiding a major flaw
>everything ""expensive"" is out of my price range for what i want to spend on this

Please send exttra help :(

http://www.thinkpad-parts.com/42T5283-Thinkpad.html
will this work with T430?

>>59207453
>everything cheap is probably hiding a major flaw

Dude. Buy a couple, or three, very cheap obviously broken things. When they admit to breaks, they won't mask much else. Get em for dirt, and then make one goof laptop out of the good parts.

That's the /tpg/ spirit.

>>59207419
I don't know the exact serial number, besides that this is a quad-core Haswell i7 CPU.

At least, I know that when I boot with this I only get a black screen, without BIOS' ThinkVantage shortcut or something alike.

>>59206074
What is the alternative solution to the EXP GDC Beast? I'd prefer consistent 2.0 performance.

Can anyone give me a second opinion on the RAM stuff?

>>59207520
wait what i don't get it, are you trying to use a haswell processor on a T420?

>>59207591
Yeah sure

>>59206074
What's the nature of the performance decrease, particularly on the internal screen? Is it just like having a GPU that's a tier or two below the one you're using, or are there worse issues like stuttering or severe screen tearing?

>>59207604
Well of course it won't boot, Ivy Bridge doesn't work either unless you use Coreboot.

Try using a Sandy Bridge quad core.

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>>59207007


>WITH A NEW MEGASLICE BATTERY THIS BABY GETS ALMOST 30 HOURS, FUCK YOUR NEW POWER EFFICIENT LIGHTWEIGHT NON-CHICKLET X1 CARBON LMAO MORE LIKE X1 SHIT AMIRITE?

>>59207670
Ok, thank you for the help.

>>59207712
Stop this

>>59207572
Check bplus com tw/Adapter/PE4C%20V3.0.html
The quality of the adapters is amazing and zero stability problems.

>>59207658
No stuttering or tearing, just decreased GPU performance. Less FPS.

>>59202687
>Look like a functioning member of society.
>Kaby Lake 15w CPUs tend to outperform Sandy and Ivy 35w CPUs while using less than half the power.
Do you know how I know you're projecting?

>>59206302
Carefully take it off and replace the two scissor bits from a key that you won't use (maybe a second ctrl key?) but just make sure the keytop clicks down and stays there. If that doesn't work see if you can get a replacement key mechanism or get a dead keyboard for cheap to use for spares.

Or you could just tell the seller that it just popped off or something, fuck.

>>59207818
I did that exactly. I put the retainer that was broken on the right ctrl key and put its good retainer on the L key.

At some point in time I guess I will change the keyboard, since it's not my layout anyways. But shit worked.

>>59207282
>actually leave their home and sometimes use their laptop in places where little space is available

Gee, I wonder why you would want a small and portable laptop then. You see, I actually do the shit you imagine yourself accomplishing. I can't be worried about whether the battery I'm buying off Amazon or eBay is "legit" or not. I can't be bothered with worrying about old hardware.

The used thinkpad circlejerk is a cancer and you are part of it. Maybe you could afford nice things if you got off of your ass and applied yourself. Stop telling people to buy $200 shit laptops only to discover they have to buy not one but two new batteries and an SSD to get the claimed battery life at 5/15 brightness.

>>59207320
Apply yourself.

>>59207431
kys

Hey paisanos
For models like the x200, x220 or x230, is linux that much better than Windows in terms of performance, or just minimal?

Or is it a case of "linux runs better on it because I'm using a tiling window manager and do everything through the terminal all day"?

>>59207919
I think I can somewhat settle this.
I currently work at the IT department of a mid sized manufacturer of spare parts for cars. Back when they were released the company ordered 100 X220s. That was before my time but they are still in active use. Since then the company has ordered a batch of batteries once every 2 years. Using laptops with non switchable batteries is, from a company's point of view, ridiculous. The boss is considering to upgrade at least some of them with X270s. We're currently reviewing some Dell Latitudes as well. This will have to be decided after the 70 series is released, whenever that may be.

What I'm trying to say is: Newer models aren't necessarily the better ones for every application but the X1 Carbon never is. The slim profile doesn't mean any advantage over a T or X series, it only leads to compromises in connectivity and maintenance.

>>59208433
BTW I should make clear that these are only used in administration/import-export and so on. For development (CAD and stuff) we obviously have desktop workstations. System requirements for office work and digital communication haven't changed a great deal since the X220 was released.

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>>59207919
>Apply yourself.
Appry, you mean.

>>59207919
Wow. Looks like you really regret buying that Chinese piece of crap.

>>59208316
Seriously, I think it's more about preference. I can't say that Linux runs particularly better or worse than Windows on my X230. Though it cuts battery time almost in half so that's something you might want to consider. I know you can use stuff like TLP to counter that but compared to Lenovo's energy manager it's a pain in the ass to configure.

>>59207919
>be anon
>look online for a nice laptop
>X1 Carbon it is
>gets delivered
>flimsy piece of plastic
>totally impractical
>go online and bitch about the quality of superior machines
>it's a business laptop so I have to go through some hardships. it's rewarding!!

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>>59207453
I was lucky, it's practically flawless

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>buy a used memepad, pretty cheap
>open it and initially think it feels kind of cheap
>grow to love the rugged, rubberised look
>love the keyboard and 1080p IPS display
>love trackpoint so much I never use the trackpad

Looks like I fell for the meme but the meme was good, for once /g/ recommends something and it's not shit.

>>59208659
Well, battery life is kind of a big deal for me considering the battery I got isn't exactly great.

I'm considering giving 8.1 a try for what it's worth

>>59208800
Why not Windows 7? 8.1 won't give you an advantage really.

>>59208316
try macos if you have a X/T*20, i've heard pretty much everything but the card reader work on those.

Without any research, I bought a t440s for college back in 2014.

Ended up giving my sister the t440s and bought a Macbook thinking iOS/xcode was cool. I was wrong.

Now I've sold my MBP to build my desktop and have a t440s with a faulty battery and screen.

Should I swap the screen/battery? Or should I sell it as is and buy a x220/t420.

I mainly use my laptop for web development + programming assignments.

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Good or not?

>>59209082
It'd have to be made of unobtanium to be worth $400.

>>59209092
It's $283 USD, listed price is in CAD

>>59201512
>30+30+15+10+8+5+5
>under 100
=103
nigga can you even math

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Is there a battery dock or something where I can drop the battery in and let it charge?

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>>59208750
>convertible
yeah naw

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>>59209161
There is the external battery charger, but you need one for every battery along with its own power brick and it would probably become inconvenient rather quickly unless you're ok with just one at a time

Supported batteries
https://support.lenovo.com/au/en/solutions/ht037009

>>59208800

8.1 is fucking shit when it comes to power management

>>59209082

absolutely no way

$200 max

>>59208316
Linux is much faster and better on any hardware anon. It's just a lot of efficient.

>>59209263
>requires plugging in

What's the point then?

>>59209617
>wants a battery dock to CHARGE the battery
>doesn't want to plug in
are you mentally challenged?

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So uh, Do any Thinkpads have a display good enough to do color sensitive photoshop type stuff on?

Or am I limited pretty much to the W series? Budget is a factor obviously (Hence why I'm asking)

>>59209132
I wasn't including the dock in the laptop build dumbass.

>>59209652
>where I can drop the battery in

>>59206729
true, it can be bad on some days :(

>>59209617

no you dumb fuck, he means the cable adapter thing plugged in the battery.

when you use a laptop dock, do you plug an actual cable into your laptop?

no, you place it into 1 -one- connector of some sort.

>>59209733

t460/t440 maybe, the rest are shit

>>59209772
Look at >>59209263
You don't have to plug the battery in?

>>59209993
>You don't have to plug the battery in?


0/10 bait

>>59209161
You might be thinking of the UltraBase the X200 & X201 shared. So far its the only Lenovo era ThinkPad Dock I know of that charges a second battery.

>>59208799
i fell for the MDR-V6 meme? I liked it, them highs fucked me up listening to Miku music tho.

>>59208694
I disliked the X1C3 for how flimsy it felt. Pixel is a much more better machine.

>>59210207
>MDR-V6
Never tried them. I went for the opposite and tried to get meme'd by buying HD800's, /hpg/ says they are shit but I love them.

>>59206478
>brightness below 50%
Most of us use this for work, not for basement lounging.

>>59205735
idk, probably $20 used plus shipping
>fuck off btw

>>59205389
I would remove the palmrest, keyboard and kb bezel to see if anything is loose.
Does it shut off out of nowhere (as in not touching it?), I would user typing/trackpointing triggers the sleep function with the magnets they have.

>>59204037
Get the X301, my S70 (X300) is limited to DDR2 RAM and I won't get that bitch past 4GB. The 1.8" HDDs are a downer, though some of them can be grabbed for cheap.
>tfw I got some freebies from work from some sony vaio with some sort of raid SSDs.

I wish they hadn't released the X300 so soon, fucking underclocked Core 2 Duo. Like the macbook air it went against was OK, but the next MBA is at least supported by apple still (and holds its value)

T440 first model with hotswap battery, still has touchpoint buttons. decent i5 4300 upgrade

>>59205924
X380?
Sorry I didn't see this reply.
I didn't care for the X1C3, the lid felt too flimsy. it was too 'think' for a ThinkPad IMO.
I mean I am dailying a Pixel. The 4K IPS display had good colors but honestly it was too much. However compared to the Pixel 2, it was blown out by it. I get that the Pixel has a janked OS, but after finding out the performance of the X1C3, I am totally fine with losing battery life for performance.

I use my Pixel for work, my T430s for other things, and right now I got a spare T431s that I put a Chimei 1080p panel onto. I felt that the X1C3 would of just cracked sometime soon. Not something I would expect on a ThinkPad.... I haven't messed with a i3/i5 macbook air yet, but I would suspect it would feel a lot better than this damn thing.

X1C2 had its fucked up keyboard. when I played with it for the few weeks I test it, the laptop seemed fine.

>>59210427
What I don't get about the X300/X301 is why they have older CPUs relative to other Thinkpads in the same generation. Were they just pushed to market earlier than the X200 and X201? Waiting a few months to get Penryn in the X300 and Nehalem in the X301 seems like it would've been worthwhile.

>>59199515
>tfw got memed into buying a T420
>loving every minute of it
Thank you, you fucks. What a fine piece of technology for $150. I only wish I had know about it sooner.

>>59210585
upgrade to hd+ screen, ssd, the processor and at least 8gb ram for maximum memetry

>>59210518
I don't know why they were not withheld.
Lenovo was weird back then, they released the Z60 with a Pentium M shortly after the acqusition, which is basically a widescreen T43.
The Z61 is basically a T60.

I guess Lenovo wanted to cash in on the exclusivity market that the Sony Vaio and Macbook Air thrived on. Maybe they released it because of the demand for the Reserve Edition ThinkPad but no actual buying.
idk im drunk

>>59210645
Already did my family, just waiting on the screen. This is already one hell of a shitposting machine.

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>missed out on a certain rare thinkpad today even though I had ebay notifications set

>>59210909
What was it, anon?

>>59207712
/tpg/ logic: the actual post

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I about to buy an X220 Core I5 2520m how have intel hd 3k, it can run movies and animes in a externel monitor FullHD in 60 or 30 fps?

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Loving my new e7470,
also own a t430 and x220.
Screen is great, keyboard is okay, battery life amazing. Would have gotten a newer thinkpad but the screens are subpar.

>>59207754
both of these are pretty true tbqh?

>>59208433
>I currently work at the IT department
>of a mid sized manufacturer of spare parts for cars.
Stopped reading right there and had a good laugh.

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>>59211004
>i own x220
Hey dude o/ i'm >>59210994
can u respond.

>>59211005
Sure, but a "functioning member of the society" wouldn't really bring up such a hermetic and time-consuming hobby in a business- and corporate-driven time-performative society.

And I don't believe they're a hardware developer.

>>59209733
any Thinkpads this loose general would recommend? No.

The W530 is a good bet for budget, but only with the FHD screen. What kind of gamut are you looking for?

>>59210994
Yes FHD will work fine for Youtube and videos at 60 fps.

You'll probably get some issues with 10bit cartoons + 60fps smooth motion.

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>>59211100
Hmmm, ty! the x230 I7-3520M dont have this issues may be right?

>>59211087
I want to see where you're coming from, but would a "functioning member of society still be on 4chan to reply to my comment, even though I made it 4 hours after this >>59207754 comment?

>>59211240
Yeah, it's almost 5am here and I'm working on my computer. Still, my statement doesn't depend of me being a functioning member of the society.

>>59211270
>>59211240
And by the way due to the wealth distribution, no one is accountable of properly functioning or being productive towards "the society".

>>59211069
Idk mayn, Ive only used my t430 on an external monitor, and that works fine for chinese cartoons.

>>59211151
I don't know because i don't have an Ivy Bridge machine but i think it's not because of raw performance but because of 10bit hw decoding since the processors are sort of old and if the video is the usual 8bit the hd3000 handles everything even with smoothmotion and whatnot.

I might be wrong but if someone knows more then feel free to correct me and call me a faget.

#59211270
#59211333
>And by the way due to the wealth distribution
You really could have stopped at any time.

>>59211092
>The W530 is a good bet for budget, but only with the FHD screen. What kind of gamut are you looking for?

So I'm looking at about 500-600 AUD. Well, If I get one with 16 gigs of RAM it'll last me a good while.

Do I understand you correctly in that I'd need to open up the laptops casing and replace the screen with a FHD one? Ideally I'm looking for at least 75% Adobe RGB

http://outlet.lenovo.com/outlet_us/

The outlet need to be in the sticky. Better prices than EPP and "refurbs" are known to be completely new.

>>59211607
>http://outlet.lenovo.com/outlet_us/
Ehhhhhhh but #newthinkpadsstink!

Seriously anon, this a buyer's remose delusion thread. That link does not belong here.

>>59201512

Can't you use T9600 cpu ? it's 10$ from aliexpress.

I ordered one for my T400

help me with couple dilemmas por favor:

1. ThinkPad E540 15 inch screen i3 i3-4100m 128gb ssd OR
t430 8gb 180gb ssd 8gb ram 14 inch? (e540 is 60euros more expensive and it has warranty for a year more)

2. thoughts on elitebook 840g1?

and also thoughts on i5 HP EliteBook 8470p 8gram 256ssd compared to these models

was thinking about t430 but i'm just weighing options now

>>59211650
why not T9900 if you want to go full meme

>>59209082

Never buy the 768p screen anon

>>59211689
>>59211650
Nope. Those both have a FSB of 1066 not 800. You can get it to support 1066 but it takes some soldering on the motherboard.

>>59211722
There is no other option for the X220. But it's good that way because a higher resolution would make text extremely small and hard to read. Screen space is enough really. Posted from X230 with 768p screen.

>tfw thinkpad so heavy it's slightly painful to use on lap

>>59212175
lanklet go home

>>59212175
>tfw numales find a t420 heavy

>>59212175
i've never understood this, i've had no issues lugging around my T530 and im a 155lb 5'9" manlet

>>59212200
This. As long as it fits into a backpack weight isn't really a concern for me.

Small thinkpads are pure shit
T series have the worst screens, excellent battery life
W series have good screens, but 9 cell only gets 4~5 hours with dGPU disabled
New ones aren't even worth looking at, might as well get an asus or something with better specs for cheaper

The best thinkpad might actually be a T420S/T430S with those Chinese screen upgrade kits. IPS FHD + 9~11 hours battery life.

>>59212399
>Small thinkpads are pure shit
utter bollocks, didn't even read the rest of your comment, how could you be so stupid

>>59212399
>worst screens
I don't see the problem with ugly screens. They're bright enough (even the 200nits TN panels) to display text and spreadsheet under any condition and the resolution options are decent. If you intend to consume media of course you shouldn't even consider any ThinkPad. 900p is perfect on 14".

>>59212447
look the resolution isnt the issue here (for me anyway) its that the screen quality is utter garbage on the t4xx. I've owned a t430s and a t530 with the same resolution screens and its a night and day difference.

>>59212464
That's why I said, you don't consume media on a ThinkPad. They are made to display text. They do that. If you're referring to bad viewing angles on a TN panel, this is a feature to me. If I'm on a crowded train I don't want people to look at my screen.

>>59212447
What using the T420 feels like

>be doing your own shit
>tilt 2 degrees
>a bunch of black men cums in your eyes
>all you see black and white
>luckily your battery is still at 98%

>>59212493
its mainly the contrast ratio which is the main issue for me

how are screens on dell latitude e series and which model would you reccommend regardless of that?

How come T420 always gets reccomended in the OP when it's a consensus that T430 is the superior model?

>>59212464

you dumb normie nigger hook up an external monitor if you want to watch hentai 24/7 on your thinkpad.

>>59212519
better keyboard
yes you can swap them

>>59212519
keyboard.... but you can easily fit the t420 keyboard onto the t430

>>59212519

>T430
>hotter
>shittier fan
>shittier keyboard

well gee I don't know, let me think about that and I'll get back to you.

>>59212562
>>hotter
>>shittier fan
Is that actually true?

how shit are the screens on thinkpads compared to regular laptops?

especially asking about t420/430/530 and e series latitude

>>59212640
>e series latitude

some of these have way more shittier screens.

>>59212568
no my x230 runs cool as fuck

for the people who put an msata into your t420
did you guys notice a temperature increase?
if so how much of a increase?

>>59213039
No.
0 degrees.

I like the combination of msata ssd + turned off fan though, a nice silent brick.

How many of you use your Thinkpad for gaming?

>>59213093
I used to, my eGPU T420 worked nicely.

The most intensive things i played were Warthunder and World of Tanks though.

What T-series do I get
Is it worth the jump in price to get the t430/40?

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>>59213138
Lost that bet.
I've got nothing against gaming though.
And Warthunder isn't unimpressive, what GPU did you use?

What can I do to improve battery life in my T420. I only get like 2-3 hours in W7 and Linux isn't much better, even with TLP installed.

>>59213093
I use my X230 for some gaming. No eGPU. I played Dragon Age Origins on it. Civilization 5 runs pretty good to. In addition to that virtually all games I purchased at GOG work fine (duh). These also don't suffer from the low screen resolution because they're low res 90s games anyways. Jagged Alliance 2 is still fun.

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>>59213214
Heh i said "used to" so not anymore.

GTX 950 with an upgraded quad core processor, here's an old screenshot.

I don't use Windows anymore or the eGPU but kept the quad core cpu.

>>59213219
What's the condition of your battery?
How many cycles?
Remaining capacity?

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>>59213219
powertop (run it, it's a command that comes with almost all linux distros)
new battery
slice battery
Could be your battery has been abused, they don't like being drained to empty, set your computer to hibernate when the battery hits 10% and never use this reserve unless you have to save civilization, your batteries will stay healthy much much longer.

Most people abuse their batteries, this includes the previous owners of our cherished Thinkpads. Thankfully, many 'broken' batteries are merely (((sleeping))) and can be woken back up and restored to higher capacity by repeated cycling, with a good rest between cycles (out of the machine). So, amending the above, it's OK to drain your battery empty but only if you think it's sleeping and it's already suffering from reduced capacity. Nothing to lose really then.

Putting your battery in the freezer for a few days (in a plastic bag) and then smacking it gently a couple times also seems to help some people, something about a layer of some shit building up by the terminals. Battery University is a good site to read, you will possibly save a lot of money on batteries with their information.

>>59213322
Do you put it in the freezer charged or discharged?
A good rest is what? An hour? 20 minutes?

I don't want to spend money.

Also, I'm a different Anon

9 Cell, lucky if it makes it past an hour

>>59213574
Before you freeze it, try running it down to 0% (ie the machine won't even boot) and then charge it all the way back up, and let it rest out of the machine for a couple days. If your capacity went up, great! BTW you won't know until the machine runs it dry again, so try this a few times.

I put the battery in the freezer fully charged and leave it in there for a few days. This is a bit of a black art, though. Make sure to let it warm to room temperature before you run it.

None of these steps should be used on any battery that has more than say, half its original capacity, because deep cycling and freezing can help a battery regain some life, OR they can in fact kill it the rest of the way according to some people's reports.

Read Battery University's lithium section at a minimum.

BTW you can use acpi -V to track your battery's progress. Good luck anon, may your battery come back to life!

>>59213618
>>59213638
I'm running Windows 7 at the moment, due to nVidia dGPU with Optimus.

Used to use Ubuntu, but the job I have now makes full use of the dGPU.

Any reason why I should let it off for a few days rather than a few hours? I read the section, I just didn't quite grasp it all.

Any utility to check the batteries stats, besides Lenovos stuff (it gets spammy)

>>59213663
>Any reason why I should let it off for a few days rather than a few hours? I read the section, I just didn't quite grasp it all.
It's just how it works. This is a black art. Lithiums fail essentially due to accumulation of a high-resistance layer which accumulates around the terminal area of the cell, and also the formation of copper-nodule whiskers inside the cell itself. Freezing the battery is supposed to disrupt these whiskers and the cycling will ideally induce a "breaking charge" which will plow through the higher-resistance layer near the terminals.

>Any utility to check the batteries stats, besides Lenovos stuff (it gets spammy)
I don't know anon but you can always make a bootable USB key with Linux on it and run that while you're fucking around trying to get the battery rejuvenated.

Also I suspect that charging the battery and letting it rest will allow the cells to equalize over time, they are all hooked up together in series of course and one high-resistance cell anywhere along that chain can fuck the batteries behind it.

I believe Apple was the first company to use a Lithium pack where individual cells could be bypassed and a voltage converter with a wide enough range to power the machine on a partly turned-off battery was installed, in the original iPad.

>>59213618
you seem to be pretty knowledgeable about batteries, I recently acquired a thinkpad and it came with a 6-cell battery, It was lasting around 2 hours max, everything good no problems.
It's been a month and a half now and suddenly I started getting the window's "there might be a problem with your battery" warning, and at the same time the battery has been getting reaaaaally hot, hotter than the actual thinkpad while idle(45c).

Is this something to be excessively worried about? I have never seen this happen before to a battery, and right now I am just running my thinkpad directly from the wall.

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>>59213786
One of the cells has gone high resistance. Were you a bad little sweetie pie and discharging the battery all the way? Anyway it sounds like little can be done. You can let the battery rest a while (a week?) in the freezer and see if that helps though. It might. Make sure to monitor your laptop when you charge the battery after freezing it, you could make a fire lol.

Anyway it sounds like it's time for a new battery anon. Chinese ones are cheap these days and the ones I've bought have had good performance. The originals are expensive for my Thinkpads sadly.

Next time make sure to plug in your laptop if it falls below 40% charged or so if you can manage it.

>>59213853
I have always used my laptop(s) plugged in with no battery if there was no need to go outside.

I rarely used the battery, it was until 3days ago that I had to be outside most fo the day checking on shit, and while processor temps were normal I noticed the thinkpad was getting real hot, turned it down and when I touched the battery I got really spooked.

I probably took it down to 4~5 percent that day
before turning the pc down. I suspect the guy that sold me the think-pad really abused it.

>>59213906
I also forgot to add; Should I try and take it down to 0 before placing it on the freezer? What are some sites you would recommend for both chink and OEM 9cell(might as well upgrade).

As you can Imagine my poor thinkpad is now under "home arrest" because of this.

>>59213906
Yep, be safe and get a new battery anon. Heck get a few, the Chinese knock-off ones are dirt cheap now. The ones I've bought have Sony and Sanyo cells, it's not bad at all.

>>59213947
I always discharge and then recharge the battery fully before putting it in the freezer.

These methods have allowed me to rejuvenate some VERY old batteries (>15 years) from nearly dead - mere minutes of life - to running up to sometimes 80-90 percent original capacity. There is a product on the market, as well, which sends controlled high-current jolts into a dead battery to awaken it as well, some battery places use them to renew an old battery and you can buy them online, can't remember the name though.

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is a Lenovo ThinkPad T430 laptop Core i7 3.6GHZ 1600X900 NVIDIA 500GB 8GB worth the 350 i can get it for?
there are others without the i7 core and/or the 1600x1900 res but i hear theyre the best, but is it worth the extra 50ish bucks?

>>59214703
If your main concern is the CPU it is upgradeable and you can even throw a quad core in there like >>59213283 instead of the default dual cores.

Same with the screen and pretty much everything so i'd suggest doing some math to see if it's better buying that one or a cheaper one + some upgrades.

Should I get a T420 or T520? Only laptop I've ever had was a 17 inch and that was a while ago but I have the feeling the t420 will be too small. I plan on installing ubuntu and mainly programming and maybe watching some anime/playing some uintensive games on it.

>>59214779
where can i get those kinds of upgrades?

>>59214820
eBay, AliExpress, Amazon, etc

>>59214809
I'd say T420 but it's personal preference because i don't like laptops bigger than 14"

If you don't mind though the T520 might be a better option because it can use a 1080p screen unlike the T420.

So I never got a laptop before and I decided to jump into this shit with the X220.

I notice that the battery remaining time on Windows is pretty jumpy. It goes from 1 hour to 3, to 2 hours 15 minutes without really doing much. Is this shit normal?

>>59214809
I'd go with the T420, but I also own a w520 and x230. 15" felt just a tad too big.

>>59215419
It came with a shitty chinese battery most likely.

>>59215419
For me every single laptop running Windows i've owned or used has done this.

Try monitoring the discharge rate with something like BatteryMon.

>>59215419
it just tries to give you a prediction based on recent demand

if you're watching your animu and compiling a kernel and shit all at once the battery won't last so long, if you're just shitposting it might last longer

Got my refurbed X230 running Mint. I did not expect this level of comfy.

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How far back do you have to downgrade to where there is no Intel ME? Was it core 2 duo?

>>59206322
I wouldn't even bother trying to get the existing installs working. Are you using 32-bit Xubuntu? That sounds like where shit would break if you were using 64-bit, otherwise just try other live disks till something works desu.

>>59215911
yes

I think there was a way to neutralize ME on Sandy and Ivy Bridge, not sure though.

So I got a x220, what programs are bloatware

>>59216081
What OS?

>>59216091
Windoughs 7 (need it for Word mainly)

>>59209342
Any source on that?

I heard the exact opposite.

>>59216130
Assuming you're talking about lenovo's software, then I'd say pretty much everything aside from the battery manager and the update tool which can be handy (and drivers of course)

Though if you're using windows my advice is to use a debloated W10, lenovo's suit of bloatware isn't available on it anyway

>>59216130
W7 + drivers + power manager is all you need

maybe a custom bios if you want to change the startup logo or remove the pci whitelist

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>>59216130
>>59216159
I'm currently typing this from an X220t running w10 by the way

>>59216176
Is there a good way to get rid of that telemetry stuff

>>59216172
>change the startup logo

Wut

I didn't know this. I flashed the custom bios because of the pci whitelist but this is something I didn't expect.

Also did anyone bother testing both W7 and 10 in terms of performance/battery consumption on the x220? Not >>59216081 but I want a system that fits like a glove on it.

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>>59216213
Google has plenty of solutions

But since I'm a lazy ass I used DisableWinTracking which has quite a few options

>>59216215
If a X220t is good enough for you to compare with, then I'd say it's pretty much the same battery wise, but the system feels faster on W10 than on W7

>>59214013
Shoved my shit in the freezer

Realistically, it can only sit there for a few hours. Maybe 12-14 hours.

Gonna need the paltry battery life later today.

Also, going no sleep. Gonna hate life

>>59216213
>getting rid of telemetry from a closed source operating system designed with always-on telemetry in mind
either embrace the botnet or don't use it

>>59216302
Disabling useless things is still a good thing to do on windows, makes it way lighter

You know what I really don't get? As you know, back in the day the old keyboard had media Fn-keys on the arrow keys. First they moved these to, I believe, F8, F9 and so on while leaving the arrow keys empty without any good reason (or am I missing out on something). This is arguably less comfortable. Then they introduced some new Fn combinations to the function keys and got rid of the media keys altogether, all while there's a perfectly fine set of arrow keys that could be used.

>Hmmm I think my house is too big
>Yep, I'm gonna demolish half of it
>ahhhh that's better

Again, did I miss out on something or did they really just think "fuck it, we're removing features that don't give anyone any disadvantage whatsoever"

Planning to buy second Thinkpad, t420s is a good option? Kinda want slim one.

>>59216612
What's your first one?
You want a second one to be more slim/portable?
Why would you need a second device?

>>59216546
I find the media keys being on the arrows great for when I'm being a lazy shit and my hands a nowhere near the keyboard so it's simple to find the right keys. But when I'm actually doing shit? The F row media bindings just work perfectly. I can move one finger a little instead of having having completely move both my hands to the corners of the keyboard so I can hit the FN key (since older models lack FN lock of any sort) and my other hand to the arrow keys.

The new keyboard layout is much better suited to use with the trackpoint in my experience, but it's not like it's hard to recreate the bindings but with ALT instead of FN.

>>59216652
The new placement didn't work as well for me but I guess this is more a matter of opinion and preference. However, you can't deny that removing the media keys completely and without any replacement was unnecessary as there's plenty of room on the keyboard to be used.

>>59216644
x30.
I like it a lot, it's pretty much perfect. I want something small, but ching-chong X series with widescreens is no-go for me, screen is too small. 4x3 is perfect.
x30 have pretty weak processor, and can't run thing i need.

>>59216612
Keep in mind your battery options on the T420s are more limited than on a T420 or X220. If you want a solid and slim machine it's great, but when most people want a slim laptop that goes hand in hand with good battery life, and the X220 has the advantage of being both smaller and capable of taking many more cells.

>>59216678
Yeah I admit it would have been nice to keep both. Especially in the dark and such the top row can be hard to navigate if you're not already typing.

>>59216713
So you want an old 4:3 laptop that is thin?

>>59216612
I suggest you don't buy an S version. Battery options are very limited. If you want it slim and light you should get an X series. Also I'd avise you to choose 30 series over 20 series. Graphics performance is worlds ahead on these and the larger ones got better screen options. They're also better made.

>>59216730
I want something on i5+ that thin and light, 4x3 would be perfect, but sadly there is only 16x9.
>>59216781
Modern Xseries sadly has a very small screen.
I don't need graphics performance, intel is just fine. I'll look into 30 series, thanks.

>>59211654
anyone?

>>59216850
t430 and upgrade the processor
ez

>>59216836
>Modern Xseries sadly has a very small screen
X series always had 12" screens, the exception being the X1 models. These are 14"

so i'm looking at t430 and it says for the monitor

>14" HD+ LED 1600 x 900 (anti-glare)

does this mean it's upgraded?

>>59216885
yes

>>59216730
Not him but I really want a modern laptop with a 4:3 screen. But I'd rather have one from mass production. These Frankenpads aren't really the answer for me. They should at least make ThinkPads 16:10 again.

>>59216892
Doesn't have to be super thin though. I'd be satisfied with something in the range of old T series models.

>>59216885
>>59216891
Not necessarily, you could chose this screen as an option on T430

>>59216904
If you're talking about T61-T400 era, then that's not thin at all

Hell it's thin compared to 90s laptops, but its not exactly a good comparison point

>>59211654
I am literally thinking about those two, cause I could buy it tax free in my country.

But there is the HP elitebook 8560W which has a shitty gpu in it for mild gaymen which I would need because I'm a sucker for gaymen.

Basically these three is what I can get in this place. Can I put GPU in the ones that only have integrated stuff? Fuck me if I'm asking too basic shit tho.

tl; dr bump

>>59216932
buy something with an expressscard slot and do this >>59213283 if you can't grow up and leave games behind

>>59216836
If you want something thin with a squarish display ratio and modern specs then your best bet is probably just a chromebook pixel.

>>59216931
To be honest I just want a T40 with modern guts and a high resolution screen. Maybe an X40 with similar specs as a second machine. This would be beyond perfect. As for the T61 - T400, I consider them decently thin. I'd say, anything >4cm can be considered "thick".

How many clits have you destroyed? The skin on the top just starts peeling on these things over time

>>59216987
I still use the one that came with my T41 back in the day. I have used it on 5 different ThinkPads, currently on my X230. I know it's larger than the ones for the new keyboards should be but I like it that way. It has virtually no wear that I would know of.

>>59216987
none but i recently switched from soft cap to soft rim

i'm never touching soft cap again

>>59216987
Chinese shit one are shit, you can find good one if you're lucky though
I have been using the same one for 4 years now

>>59216986
What do you think about the X201?
It's got a nice 16:10 display, i5 and looks old school

>>59217017
>soft cap
soft dome

>>59217020
>X201
I actually have one and I love it. Still, I'd like to have more modern guts. It's an i5 but it's still not as responsive as a modern laptop would be. If I could just put a modern i5 and a 1920x1200 screen in there I'd be happy for life.

>>59217073
Shit, I thought you were the anon who wanted to buy a T420s, sorry

You have no idea how much I feel you, I have a X200t and it feels awesome, but it's getting a bit old

My main laptop is an X220t and I'm really happy with it, except for that godawful 1366x738 resolution
How I wish I could cram a full HD panel in it

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>>59216987
I fingered my gf last week before fucking her but I have no thinkpads. Does that count?

>>59217133
Well I don't think the 1280x800 is godawful. At least it enables me to use Windows 7. On a higher PPI screen I'd need Windows 10 for proper UI scaling.

>>59217179
You're right it's still really usable
Actually the worst thing about 1366x768 is that manufacturer keep using it on modern +$1000 laptops

>>59217210
Yep. It used to be standard for a reason but 1080p panels are cheap and literally found everywhere. I can't really understand how they still can afford to produce these. Is there a market for such a low res laptop in 2017? I mean, 1080p means only a $50 plus in price.

>>59217242
I can understand their usage on lower end computers, manufacturers don't want their performance because their shitty piece of plastic can't handle 1080p

But come on, a 2nd gen I5 with intel HD graphics is plenty able to do it

>>59216868
12'' on 4x3 is different from 16x9
I compared my x30 with friend's 420 and x30's screen have more height and less width, and i mostly need height.
>>59216952
Sadly not an option too.

>>59217447
more height and less width

While this is true, the old X series almost exclusively had 1024x768 screens while the early 16:9 models had 1366x768. So there's no actual difference in amount of text lines they can display. Vertical resolution is the same.

>>59217524
dammit. forgot the >
>more height and less width

Anyone using Windows 10 on X220? I'm on 7 but I hear the battery life is better. All drivers work now? Even charging thresholds?

>>59212507
5470 for value

>>59217582
W10 X220t here

Battery life is about the same but the system is more fluid

Everything works nicely, lenovo's software suite isn't available aside from thinkvantage update though, so you can't tweak charging thresholds that way

>>59217524
I'm not hunting for resolution though, i use laptop for car tuning so i need a lot of small things on the screen, a ton of parameters and such. If i use 16x9 laptop with taskbar on the right it's the same height, yes, but for additional space i can't put another couple gauges, and additional space is empty or streched. If i'd take new X220 for example it woud be too hard for me to see things, due to low height of the screen, so i have to go with Tseries. But Tseries is not that compact, and this is why i'm thinking about t420s or t430s instead.

>>59217656
What drivers did you install thought, the Windows 7 ones?

>>59217731
Lenovo offers W10 (or at least W8.1) one on their websites

W10 also has the capacity of installing drivers by itself, although not always the latest ones

>>59217746
Link? X220 support page does not have a Windows 10 category. Site is a mess

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>>59217825
Yeah forgot about that, you should select W8.1, you'll see most drivers has "Windows 7, 8, 8.1, 10 64bit" in their name

>>59217684
Have you ever physically compared an S variant to a regular T series? The difference is rather small while the S series compromises on battery life. I think the T series is really compact by itself.

>not just using an Ideapad
the clear choice for us poorfags.

>>59217966
I'd choose a 10 year old ThinkPad over a brand new Ideapad any time.

>>59217976
>b-b-but muh build quality

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my x60s was sent today
it'll be here Monday if I'm really lucky or Tuesday if everything goes as usual

I'll install gnu/linux on it and after some time I'll flash it w/ libreboot (I got an unofficial warranty for it so I'm going to wait until I'm sure that all the hardware is OK - while they didn't give any specifics about the warranty, I probably won't dare to return it librebooted)

I forgot to ask the seller whether it is a core duo or a core 2 duo tho, but I guess I should assume that it is going to be the worse option

>>59218072

Ideapads fall apart fag

>>59218187
Oh god I can't handle the sexy of this. It's almost blinding. I want this with a modern CPU and SXGA+ or UXGA resolution.

>>59218187
Which Distro are you gonna be using? Considering that you want to Libreboot it, I guess you're a free software advocate. Trisquel then?

>>59216146

420\430 and their siblings were specifically tested and tweaked with win7 in mind thus on win8/10 the power manager doesnt always work and basically puts your shit into two gears:high and low, the settings arent that granular like on win7 where you can adjust battery thresholds, fan settings, aspm etc

So use whatever you want, but dont complain later about things like: its hot, its loud, the battery is shit all of a sudden and so on.

>>59206795
Why? It doesn't make the laptop take up more space, isn't heavy.

>>59206590
5/15 is plenty bright for the inside of my home and most customer's offices with the lights on. Obviously for media consumption you would want brighter, but 5/15 is a comfortable medium for text and charts, but even 0/15 is usable in most cases. Maybe my eyes are just really good?

>>59210427
>brightness below 50%
Most of us use this for work, not for basement lounging.
Read above.

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>>59218268
Probably yeah, I'm currently running Trisquel on my x131e as well. I don't care much about my distro though, usually I'll be happy with Debian or anything Debian- or Ubuntu-based, as long as its easy to avoid non-free stuff. Debian is fine as well, even if the FSF doesn't endorse it. It doesn't come with non-free stuff, nor does it make it too easy to half-accidentally install anything proprietary.

>>59218249
There is something really beautiful about ~12" 4:3 laptops.

>>59218450
>5/15 is plenty bright for the inside of my home and most customer's offices with the lights on.

No it' s not yours is probably defective.

Post a pic.

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Are there any programmers here? Can anyone take a look at https://github.com/dmytrov/IntelPWMControl

And check if there are any spooky russian botnets included?

I'm asking because the program really works and will make any thinkpad screen look much better. You can check for pwm dimming yourself using a smartphone app that can control the shutter speed. I use "camera fv5"

It'll reduce the brightness slightly, but it completely sets the pwm off if you turn it high enough. I use 10000.

>>59218571

Not a botnet but worse: a meme.

>>59218661
?

>>59212399
>9~11 hours battery life.
on a S-series ? how ?

>>59213093
When I bought my T500 for university back in 2009, I did so with the intention of gaming on it. While the HD3650 initially did okay in stuff like TF2, Medieval II Total War, and eventually Starcraft II and the like, it was not to last. As games were updated and the years dragged on, and no new drivers were released for the aging card, it gradually became shittier and shittier at gaming. So buying a used Thinkpad for gaming is not a good idea. In 2013 I relented and purchased a desktop. Much better price/performance ratio (paid like $900 for the desktop and $1,900 on the T500).

Now I've quit gaming completely, with the exception of very old titles that would probably run on my T40 with little or no trouble.

>>59217524
This. The only place where 4:3 mattered was on the higher resolution displays. That being said I never felt an affinity for them since I went from 1400x1050 on my T40 to 1920x1200 on my T500. But had I gone from, say, 1400x1050 to 1440x900, I probably would have felt stronger about the whole thing due to losing 150 vertical pixels.

>>59212399
This is totally a pleb level teir listing.

Anyone with any self respect recells the laptop with 3000mah+ batteries.

>>59199515
I have a x200 with 8gb of ram what other upgrades can I do? is there any way to replace the cpu?

>>59218786
sorry its an x200t

http://www.ebay.de/itm/12-5-Notebook-Lenovo-ThinkPad-X220-Core-i5-8GB-RAM-128GB-SSD-Webcam-Windows-10-/192099517928?hash=item2cba0605e8:g:ZiQAAOSw9GhYm07s

is this a good offer?

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>>59218527
>Post a pic.
This image was taken at brightness setting 0/15 in my room with the ceiling lights on. Ceiling lights consist of three (3) 60 watt equivalent 5000K LED bulbs. Ambient light coming in from blinds which are exposed to direct sunlight right now.

>>59217073
Get an SSD.

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>>59219124
This image was taken with identical exposure settings but with brightness at 5/15.

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>>59219147
Same exposure settings with brightness at 15/15. As you can see, max brightness is brighter than the light created by the ceiling lights, which stresses the eyes.

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>>59219164
And finally, battery life remaining at 0/15 brightness with 82% battery remaining. This is with Wi-Fi on, but idle at desktop. This would decrease to around 12-16 hours if I were browsing and refreshing regularly, or doing some other sort of work.

>>59219164
god damn what a shitty display

>>59218937

There's literally a 'related' ad for a 150€ x220 with a regular hard drive. Get that one and next paycheck get a proper ssd and battery.

Just got my X250, not going back to xx20/xx30 series anymore. Feels good man.

>>59219214
Yeah, its like some sort of ultra bright headlight. It will light up an entire room. But once your eyes adjust to the 10,000 lumen display (That only consumes 5 watts :^) ), it becomes like any other IPS display, featuring great colors, infinite viewing angles.

>>59219205

Nigga that aint 0/15 stop clowning around, your driver is fucked.

>>59219243
How is the VGA port?

>>59219269
I'm using miniDP

>>59201512
i wish i knew how to put vinyls.
Shit drives me crazy on curved edges

>>59219256
Its got the power consumption of 0/15, and there is a definite defined step for every setting all the way up to 15.

Are ThinkPad V310 any good?

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>>59219205
>current 0.34A
>>59219428

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>>59219447
Fake and gay

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>>59199515
Found a 3000 V100 on a yard sale for $75 us dollars.

can i join /tpg/ too? Might install Xubuntu on it

>>59219478
I've seen mine go that low before.

>>59219510
No trackpoint.

>>59211451
>10bit files
>Monitor not 10bit
why even bother

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>>59199515
Just got a t420, best decision ever

anyone considering it too heavy is prolly a millenial faggot that never experienced the 90's and early 2000's laptops.

installed ubuntu + cinnamon, runs fantastic

cheers

>>59219243
Can you say what you like, what you don't like in it? Also, which specs did you get?

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>>59219399
Oh it's a pain in the ass. Just get an exacto knife and make careful cuts then fold over like so.

>>59219791

25C? what about the load temps?

>>59220415

just realized it's the weather gadget


well this is awkward

>>59210427
>The 1.8" HDDs are a downer,

... and 1.8" SSDs are rare.
On the bright side, there are those mSATA to 1.8" chink adapters.

>>59220785
Yeah I bought a Crucial MX200 mSATA drive and one of those adapters for my T410s. Got a slightly better one that was a step up from the usual Chink shit, almost two years later and not a hint of trouble. Plus it felt great to ditch the 4200 rpm hard drive, computer feels like 4 times faster than it used to.

>>59220861
>a step up from the usual Chink shit

do tell more

New thread:
>>59221608

gonna go to the railway station to buy t430 from some guy who has a lot of positive feedback

excited!

>>59221608
what system do i put on a t430? win7 or 10?

i don't care about gnu etc