Why are all monitors garbage?

dell 144 ultrasharp IPS when ?

>>59188609
Holy fuck is it 2012 again????? IPS just have worse response time. Chances are you won't notice the difference in response time, just as you won't notice a difference in the TN quality if you calibrate your panel. Unless of course you have them next to each other.
Now start arguing about something a little more modern, like OLED vs it's cost.

i don't understand. are 60hz monitors unusable in 2017?

Response time is a meme. Anything below 50ms is acceptable.

>>59188695

going from 144hz to 60hz even if you aren't gaming is just an eye sore

60hz just flat out sucks once you've experienced the real deal

>>59188732
144hz are so expensive!

>>59188752

I agree.

It sucks.

Monitor manufacturers love butt raping us because they can

>>59188678
Oh shit nvm Dell cancelled their OLED like last month. Cool. Was supposed to have perfect blacks and a .01ms response time.

>>59188609
Are you telling me you can perceive the difference between 2 and 4 ms?

Response time is not the same as input lag. Many TN 1ms meme monitors have higher input lag than 8ms IPS panels.
Higher response time = more ghosting/blurring (not noticeable below ~15ms)
Higher input lag = exactly what it says

Always look at reviews from TFTcentral and pcmonitors.com before buying a monitor.

>>59188701
Not if you play osu

>>59188609
Get a website with a stopwatch on it that shows milliseconds. Try and perceive the difference between 2 and 4 ms. In fact, try and replicably determine the difference between 5ms and 30ms.

Those are THOUSANDS of a second. The 2ms difference between 2 and 4 ms occurs 500 times per second. You cannot tell the difference.

>>59189492
>>59188609
Also the fact that you were looking for monitors with a higher refresh rate and didn't even know anything about the panel type of monitor confirms you are a shit tier specs meme dweeb that will buy anything that has better 'numbers' on the internet.

>>59189512
>"didn't even know anything about the panel type"
>proceeds to devolve into a shitstorm of pejoratives
Never change, /g/

>>59188695
60hz monitors are usable, it's just that when you start moving your cursor on the screen of a 120hz or 144hz monitor, you don't want to go back.

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>>59188826
This

Is OP joking? As a XB271HU owner, I'll gladly take the 4ms response time with 165hz and gsync. Its not even question.

Unless you are excluding expensive monitors for some reason.

>>59189576
Yep, this right here. 165hz monitor, I bought a 60hz one thinking it would be fine to pair it up. I returned it that same day. Cursor lag was unbearable.

>'why are manufacturers autistic'
>speging out over a 2ms difference in response time

>>59188609
Monitors have always been a case of dealing with what you can buy.
TN has meh colors and IPS has glow. For games TN is the easy choice since gamma/contrast is going to be fucked anyway.

>>59188880
>ghosting/blurring (not noticeable below ~15ms)

Ghosting and blurring are definitely noticeable even at 8ms or faster - hence why there is an obvious visible difference in 3d motion when using technologies like BenQ "Blur Reduction" at 120hz+.

Get a CRT, I'm not joking

>>59191231
You kids need to stop with this hipster shit.

>>59188609
Just get two LG 38UC99-W monitors and you'll be good to go.

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>>59188609

>fell for the "this lower number is better" marketing ploy

g2g ms is a garbage, useless metric. It is only useful for telling you whether or not the panel is TN or not.

The 1440p 144hz IPS panel is rated at 4ms g2g. If you read reviews you can see it consistently staying under 8ms across all pixel transitions, so it's good at 144hz and in general.

On the other hand, you might look for a 60hz IPS monitor, see that Acer are promising a 4ms one and HP a similar one with 8ms. But if you'd educate yourself, you'd see that Acer consistently lie to have the lowest g2g on their shit spec pages, and sometimes even use aggressive shit overdrive that ruins motion with artifacts, just to con normies like you.

Buying a monitor is about compromise, with the current panels. At 60hz (16.6ms pr update), the vastly superior compromise is IPS or even VA (great blacks with a tradeoff of slow 40+ms black transitions, which is funny because the vast majority will only see the 4ms in the marketing before buying)

What is a good IPS 1080p 60hz monitor for game consoles?

I want real good coulors, got myself a tn panel thats 144hz for my pc.

>>59188752
I'm getting an Acer 1080p 144hz for less than $200 so not too badly priced.

>>59189641
I'm thinking of getting this monitor. Is it worth it for the price? What gpu are you running with it?

>>59191777

I'd buy one with the 25" 1080p. There are not a lot of monitors of that size and res, so they all use the same one. Reportedly an excellent panel, for an IPS

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>>59191805
Bezel is garbage though

>>59191805

I hope it's the XF240H. If it's the GN246HL you shouldn't have bothered, that piece of shit should have been taken off the market years ago

What's a good monitor with:
>144Hz
>at least 23"
>no more than 8ms response time

>>59192430
ops pic

>>59192430
https://www.amazon.com/Nixeus-1920x1080-Adaptive-Sync-Widescreen-NX-VUE24A/dp/B0131PBN6U?th=1

It's a shit TN panel tho, but that's to be expected if you want 144hz

>>59192459
Muahaha, I'm OP and this whole thread was an elaborate ploy to see if my first choice monitor was /g/ approved! Suckers!

>>59192462
>30Hz to 144Hz
Is this like how my current monitor is "up to 75Hz", but the highest frequency that supports 1920x1080 is 60Hz? Or does it actually go to 144Hz at 1080p?

>>59192430

Regardless of whether or not it's true, no 144hz monitor would ever be marketed with 8ms g2g or above.

Viewsonic XG2401, TN panel. Pretty standard choice

Also the Samsung SVA 144hz panels are a well priced and good compromise between the failings of TN and expensive panel and black glow of IPS.
A lot faster with the blacks than other VA panels. Samsung are still hogging the 24" panel for the C24FG70, but you can get the MSI G27C with the 27" one for 300$

>>59192519
nope, that's just the effective Freesync range

so yes it does do 144hz 1080p

>>59188609

response time is nothing. under 5ms is perfectly fine.

Input lag, on the other hand, is important. Good monitor will be under 20ms. That's way more important and noticeable than response time.

http://www.144hzmonitors.com/best-gaming-monitor/

>>59192538
>C24FG70
>va panels
Ya i tried out that exact monitor and although the specs were great on paper and also in reality too. The monitor unfortunately suffers a purple smearing affect in darker scenes. I always wondered how samsung managed to get the response time down to 1ms. Also latency was pretty shit as well.

>>59192459
>>59192462
>>59192538
So I'm gonna assume the MG248Q's only edge over the VG248QE is a better bezel?

>>59188609
>>59192609

Also, get something with no PWM dimming, sometimes refereed to as "flicker free"

>>59192688

as far as I know the purple smear is limited to the C24FG70 and perhaps C27FG70, not the panels. Probably some artifact from Samsung's overdrive. The 1ms is because of the strobing in the higher overdrive modes - Eizo marketed the FG2421 as 1ms because of strobing back in the day, so Samsung could as well I guess.

>>59192691

MG248Q is flicker/PWM free and has adaptive sync as well. But MG248Q is not the best because of the out of the box colors and overshooty overdrive, get the XG2401 or 24GM77/24GM79 instead

>>59191777
vs24ah-p

>>59188623
Never

>>59188609

What GPU do you have ? You want adaptative synk

>>59192799
If you're a poor piece of shit sure

>>59189576
don't remind me. it really sucks having that less responsive feeling of 60hz

>>59192799
Unless OP has an amd card. Paying for g-sync's feature is generally a waste of money

>>59192799
R9 280x, lel. But I'm probably going to buy an RX 480 4GB for my second monitor and keep my old GPU for my current one (VS247H-P). I'm going for a dual monitor setup, not replacing my old one necessarily (effectively I will, though, as my new one will become my main).

>>59192876
You would want to search for monitors that have free sync or adaptive sync. Don't get ones that have gsync

>>59192929
What's the difference between adaptive and the other two syncs?

>>59188609
It seems like everybody in this thread is forgetting that there's compromise panel technologies like AHVA

>>59193010

V-Sync works on every monitor. It's just synching up the frames at 60fps (on a 60hz screen), or dropping to 30fps if you can't hold 60, with large delay.

Freesync and G-Sync are adaptive sync which sets the monitor to the fps on the fly, for no tearing and best smoothness without V-Sync drawbacks. Freesync is just Displayport version 1.2a + AMD software, G-Sync costs a load of money because of proprietary module and Nvidia jewing. No reason not to get Freesync support if you're not buying G-Sync.

Nvidia Fast Sync is also pretty good, much better than old V-Sync, though you'll have to set an fps cap at refresh yourself.

>>59193010
adaptive sync is a VESA standard
free sync is AMD's extension of adaptive sync to make its gpus work with adaptive sync in gaming
g sync is overpriced and proprietaryand only works with nvidia cards.
Nvidia would never let AMD use gsync but there's nothing stopping Nvidia from adopting the VESA standard

>>59192929
Amazon user answers say the VG248QE doesn't support "any" of the syncs, is this guy just autistic or it this monitor just ass?

>>59193265

V-Sync and its derivatives are universal. VG248QE doesn't have adaptive sync or G-Sync since it's outdated as fuck.
Technically they did sell a 200$ G-Sync module you could stick in it, but only for a couple of months before the release of the PG278Q years ago

>>59193096
Doesnt Freesync shit the bed when using an nvidia gpu as well?

>>59193328
nvidia doesn't support freesync at all

>>59193328

No, you just can't activate it. There are a few monitors that do 75hz with Freesync on, but are limited to barely past 60hz with it off though, if that's what you mean

>>59188609
>MUH RESPONSE TIMES

The only autistic fuck here is you. You'll never notice the difference between 1 and 6ms.

Is it too much to ask for an IPS monitor without color defects and terrible backlight bleed?

>>59188609
Do not buy anything that isn't OLED. No exceptions.

put it this way anything is better than my ancient Samsung T260R

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For the price of a 144Hz monitor I can hire a top tier escort for half an hour.

>>59188752
its worth it mate

I'm getting mixed messages here. What's most important?

A. 144Hz
B. IPS
C. <= 4ms

And second most?

Waiting for proper OLED monitors. Until then my setup is:

EIZO CG246 for work/generic things
PLS with A-TW, perfect for movies also

Asus PG248Q for gaming
ULMB @ 120Hz

>>59195992
>I'm getting mixed messages here. What's most important?
>A. 144Hz
>B. IPS
>C. <= 4ms

Depends on what you value. If you want to have accurate color reproduction to view images as the photographer intended, go for IPS. Get a good Dell Ultrasharp. As for 144Hz, I couldn't care less. <= 4ms, again, couldn't care less. My monitor has 8ms response time and it's ghost free.

>>59188609
>Why are all monitors garbage?
>posts image of an asus monitor

If all you have used is Asus no wonder you think they're garbage. I had an Asus monitor once - even on low brightness is seemed as if my eyes were being rubbed with sandpaper every time I stared at the screen.

bought a korean 1440p 27" monitor for $190, overclocked it to 100hz and can't complain. I'll get 144hz when it's affordable.

If you dont consider memes, whats bad about CRT monitor beside size? Just my own personal curiocity

>>59193096
Don't forget adaptive sync is open source which means if push comes to shove NVIDIA *will* support it and maybe then we can get rid of G-Sync.

>>59192430
literally every freesync 1080p/144hz monitors to come out within the last 2 years. you don't even need to consider freesync the reason why you buy them, they're just the latest model, standard, 1080p/144hz TN monitors and they're good for the price.
yes IPS is nice but i can't think of a single 1080p/144hz IPS monitor and if there was one, it'd be expensive like the C24FG70 which uses a VA panel but costs no less than $300+
so moral of the story is if moneys tight TN is fine, if you want 144hz look at the XG2401, nixeus vue 24, G2460PF, or XF240H.
the vg248qe is outdated namebrand trash.

>>59189641
Does it still have the horrible, insufferable lightbleed as XB270HU did?

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/37.htm#asus_rog_swift_pg27uq

The savior is coming. Except for that 4K. I love everything about this panel except for 4K rammed into 27"

Ok, /g/. I'd like an input.
AMVA or AH-IPS for watching anime? Assume the IPS one has minimal backlight bleed. Both 10 bit

>>59196036
Why is it taking so long? What's up with Dell pulling out their oled?

>>59188609
I just want a cheap 1080 75Hz good monitor. Which one should I get? I was thinking about buying a second hand LG Flatron or Samsung W2241s but I don't know if they're any good and finding reviews of old devices is hard.

>>59196036
>>59199087
What's better about OLED then lets say IPS.

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>>59188609
>tfw you got cheap chinese monitor with samsung pls

What's a cheap and good 1080 75Hz monitor?

>>59193401
>>59192609
>>59191624
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>>59189641
>>59189492
>>59188880
What the fuck is the difference between "Response Time" and "Input Lag"?

If something is 1-8ms but is 144hz (which is effectively frames per second), why are... they separate? They're the same thing. It's how fast the monitor is, period.

Is it like:

*Hz - when I move the mouse, it's how fluid the motion of the cursor is; when I play a game, it's how much or little I experience screen-tearing

Input lag (*ms) - the time it takes for me to type a key or move a mouse before I begin to see it move on screen?

So when I move my mouse, "Input Lag" is the time it takes for me to start seeing the mouse move, but a "High Refresh Rate" is what keeps the mouse cursor moving at a consistantly fluid rate.

Or like a boulder, input lag/response time is the time it takes for me to start moving the boulder, refresh rate is how fluid the boulder moves once I get it moving.

>>59188609
Because you're too poor for NEC or Eizo?

>>59202040
I have a budget of around ~$750 for a new monitor, GPU, and CPU. Currently I have an ASUS VS247H-P, R9 280x, and i5 4430. Since I've already decided on an RX 480 ($200) and I'm fairly certain I'm getting an i5 4690k (which should hopefully drop to around $230 after Ryzen), that leaves me with ~$320 for a monitor. I'm not breaking the bank for a monitor when there are affordable options out there (currently, it's between the VG248QE and the XG2401).

I literally can't wrap my head around why anyone would consider anything else then a nice VA panel - unless a he's a gaymar ofc

>>59202695
I value 144Hz more than an okay at best panel.

>>59202040
Still LCD with all the deficiencies.
Imagine how glorious EIZO OLED would be.

how can people live with IPS glow? Its fucking disgusting. I went through 3 IPS 144-165hz monitors last year and returned all 3.

>>59203543
you probably bought an AVHA panel based monitor. Which unfortunately seems to be suffering many differents issues like black-light bleed, dead pixels, etc.. I don't know if its the fact that the technology is relatively new. Or from the fact that the company just doesn't care. But to get a good ips 144-165 hz monitor you gotta play the monitor lottery.

>>59188609
Stop being poor faggot

I recently bought both an LG and an Iiyama (IPS/AMVA), I like neither's image as much as my 10 year old TN.
Mine is probably not as "accurate" as the new ones, but it's more to my liking, if that makes sense.
I dunno man, I guess I'll just have to find a place where I can take a look at a ton of screens?
It's shitty to find out which one is right for you

>>59204471
>Default /g/ troll response

(you)

>>59201257
Samsung S24F350FH. It also has freesync from 47 to 75. It's $250 in Newegg and, for some reason, $150 in South America.

>>59203543
I never notice it. The only way I do is when someone points is out, and then I open an entirely black image on my screen, and then I look for it.

>>59204632
you just need to get used to it

>1440p 144hz IPS
>horrific amounts of backbleed

Pick two