/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Whoever makes the OPs isn't very creative.

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http://www.skycomp.com.au/asus-dual-gtx1070-o8g-geforce-gtx1070-gddr5-8gb-7680x4320-1x-dvi-2x-hdmi-2x-dp.html

http://www.arc.com.au/product/59359

can't decide between these two

What's the difference between an EVGA and a Gigabyte 1070? I can't decide between the two?

Does it even matter and am I an indecisive little cunt?

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>>59158085
It's not a shitposting general. Honestly I don't give a fuck as long as the OP is informative

>>59158112

gigabytes won't explode

how big of a difference visually is a 60hz monitor with freesync/gsync vs a 144hz monitor?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3JjXZ8

Thoughts on this list? Someone in last thread was saying the i5-7500 was shit so I don't know if I should change it.

>>59158096
get the gigabyte one, bigger heatsink, more fans, shit won't have to turn up.

>>59158112
gigabyte has a much larger selection of coolers for the 1070, single, double, triple fan, and more, other than software and cooler design, they are still the same 1070.

>>59158138
and this

>>59158143
You don't have to worry about about screen tearing, framebuffer lag, or oscillation between 30FPS and 60FPS with vsync on. The good thing about adaptive sync on a high Hz monitor is that it provides some type of low framerate compensation like frame doubling with a temporal shift so the game always appears to run smoothly.

>>59158143
If you're a pro gaymer you'll gain a benefit, sort of. If you're not one there is very little point of owning one.

>>59158092
Checked on HP's site and some local refurbished retailers. They only carry Haswell Pavilions, at roughly around 1.5 times more than I'd spend purchasing Kaby lake parts by myself.
Like I said, senpai, it's great advice that you're giving us but sadly I can't follow it because lol south america.

>>59158178
>cpu
the 7500 is not shit, it just does not have anything over the 6500 other than a boost on the speed.
>case
get the p400s, it's worth the extra cash, or get the enthoo pro m,

other than that, it looks fine, maybe you should get an aftermarket cooler, but it does not matter too much

>>59158178
It's fine. Be aware that you're getting a somewhat old socket and you could save $75 and get a better socket by waiting a few months for Ryzen, or you could pay the same amount and get almost i7 6700 performance

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do greater than 1 TB hard drives not come in 7200rpms? Here they are all grayed out above 1TB

>>59158355
Other manufacturers do 7200 RPM at higher capacities, I think you have to go enterprise if you want to go beyond 7200.

I bought kaby lake i5 7600k and a z270 board (maximus ix hero) and then find out later they're trying to fucker us out of win7 support. I'm finding things that say it'll work outside of the onboard gfx, which is fine with my gtx 1070, but does anyone have any experience with this? My windows is yarr harr'd btw, the daz loader and oem vendor windows way.

>>59158318
>does not have anything over the 6500 other than a boost on the speed
How large is that? Because I have heard that if you are making a new machine Kaby Lake is worth it, but not worth if you are upgrading from Skylake.
>>59158346
> waiting a few months for Ryzen
Was planning on doing that anyways and seeing how Ryzen 5 preforms before buying my i5. What do you mean by old socket though?

>>59158451
LGA 1151 is almost two years old by now, and Kaby Lake amounts to little more than a Skylake refresh. This is a Tock, you should either wait for intel's new Tick, or go straight for the Ryzens.

>>59158451
the speed boost from 6500 to 7500 is 200 mhz which honestly, I don't know how significant that is

>Coffee Lake is yet another refresh
fuck it go full Ryzen

>>59158495
>>59158499
Well, I will wait until Ryzen 5's benchmarks come out and then decide whether or not to go AMD on this one (will most likely go Ryzen though).

>>59158515
I think that's pretty sane. I'll do the same, even if it's not that much better than whatever Intel's offering. I'd much rather jew me out of one fps or two if it means having actual competition on the CPU market again.

>>59158545
Getting a Ryzen would also tickle my autismo since I'm getting an AMD graphics card so having a matching AMD brand processor would be nice.

wikipedia says kabylake supports ddr4 2400 but I thought it was 2133 and 2400 was an overclock?

>>59158515
tread carefully, as jewish tricks lie ahead, seeking to convince you otherwise

>>59158595
It's ok, Intel shills are more or less easy to detect these days, especially since they have gotten more and more desperate/obvious.

>>59158568
Was there ever substantial evidence that supported the claim that AMD cpus worked better with AMD GPUs, and Nvidia with Intel? I remember that being said a lot back in the Athlon days.

>>59158628
Not really, it was just AMD/Intel fanboys as always. Even CrossFire shit is dubious at best. A GTX 1060 will run just as well as a RX 480 on an intel CPU (and vice versa).

Why are GPUs so fucking expensive?

>>59158782
because they make yer vidya luk gud

>>59158782
because nvidia was allowed to go full jew and charge well over 500 dollars for a consumer gpu.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ckzMD8

About to pull the trigger on the i7 since it's $310 on ebay right now. Anything I should change other than waiting for Ryzen?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TMd6LD
Thoughts please

>>59158836
cooler, case, psu, gpu, all meh, but it works. and holy house fire batman, two days left until endless reviews, test and builds and you are giving up now?

>>59158852
looks good, just know that the rgb on the case is a breather and I don't know if it can be changed.

>>59158972
I was considering the enthoo too

Nobody has installed Windows 7 on a Kaby Lake z270 build?

>>59159005
honestly I kind of regret not going with the enthoo pro m, as I did not know the case existed, I like my open cases.

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I got the free nzxt case with a newegg order, I see it has usb3 ports so I'm thinking it's got all I need. I start my build and find out it has no place for an optical drive.

>>59159049
Life has no place for an optical drive.

What are you, a bunch of fucking Microsoft employees? Did you dildos all buy windows 10? Why doesn't a system builders' general have any experience yarr harring win7 into the latest hardware?
Bunch a fuckin poofters I say.

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>>59158068
hey so I built this shit some years ago but I feel its time for an upgrade, I do multimedia crap and vidya. fallout 4 barely runs on low settings

I have a good budget so that shouldn't be a problem, hopefully

>>59159049
You dont need an optical drive. Build for the future. Not the p

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>>59159112
>tfw I'm going to have to update my mobo with an X99 BIOS update via USB before installing a pirated copy of Win7 via USB

H-hope I don't fuck up!

Which is better, GTX 1060 or RX 480?

>>59158972
>rgb on the case is a breather and I don't know if it can be changed

no, wait, I figured it out, you just have to hold to button down for a sec to change modes

>>59159126
It's for my dad. The guy has put thousands of hours into Spore, autistically eradicating the grox from every single planet in the galaxy, just to start a new game when he finishes. He's not ready for the future, which is why I left some plugs accessible so he can leave the optical drive hanging out the open side panel when he needs it.

>>59159241
well in that case, sell it and get another case with a optical drive bay.

>>59159303
Yeah you're right. Don't want to give him a shitty birthday present.

>>59159182
RX480 is both better and significantly cheaper. You can get the 8GB models for $160-$210 if you look for sales. Plus Doom comes with from Newegg if that interests you.

>>59159182
>>59159435
If you Really want to crunch those numbers for prices use Jet, but be wary of their shipping, my mobo I ordered from looked liked they fucked up the box. Thankfully the Motherboard worked perfectly fine.

>>59158355
The WD Blacks have 7200 RPM beyond 1TB, the WD blues only go up to 1TB.

>>59159182

Are you going to OC like crazy ? No ? OF cource not, you have ordinary memory and not aftermarket cooler. It's cool tho because OC have little benefits considering the cost. then...

1 - Go for B350 mobo, cheapest is 90$, more than enough.
2 - Ditch Transcend SSD, get NVMe SSD instead. 960 EVO is the bomb. No need to stick to SATA speeds nowadays.
3 - NZXT S340 (White) is way nicer case, imo.
4 - You cound get slightly cheaper 1070 (G1 Gaming)
5 - Are you going to use that km-mouse combo ? you will want to kill yourself. get a G502.

My humble suggestion: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kw2RRG
Juat change mobo for B350 and ad dkeyboard.

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building my first computer this week, comes with 2x8gb crucial sticks, i5 4460, and gigabyte H81M-S2PV.
Is this a good deal/is it worth getting? Thanks

>>59158836
Mid-tier GPU with high end CPU ? you got it wrong men... i7 and Ryzen are only worth it IF you have best GPU (1080) and want to squeeze lat drop of performance out of system.

If you really want to stay with RX480 (wich is cool since it does freesynk) at lesat save money on mobo and cpu.

Also, go for NVMe SSD like EVO 960, not much more expensive but huge difference in perf.

So I finished my PC recently but I'm getting a weird problem where the FPS on my web browser or desktop will drop to like 1 if I don't move the mouse.

But there's no rise in CPU or GPU activity etc. Just idle seems to cut everything down to 1 fps. What does that mean? Is it a vsync problem?

>>59159182
RX 480 was a bit behind 1060 at release but the drivers improves drastically and is now clearly better than 1060.

Old reviews can't be trusted. Go for 480

>>59159500
i think i saw in another thread that you can save money by buying a refurbished AM4 HP Pavilion

something about cutting a hole in the case or something.

>>59159501

you will need a cooler... haggle it for 180$.

>>59159568

is it your internet connection? your description is a big vague.

>>59159115

how good of a budget and what sort of resolution are you looking for? those are the real questions for a gaming rig.

>>59159586
Internet is fine, what is happening is when I sit my mouse still on the desktop, my monitor, which has a frames per second icon, will display my frames per second dropping from 60 down to 1 eventually within about 10 seconds.

It happens on web pages too, making the browser sluggish until I start moving it.

It's really puzzling me out.

>>59159501
I would not normally advise someone buy into older hardware even if it's only as far as haswell, but you are getting it at over $100 off new, go for it i guess.

>>59159579
and this

>>59159591
around 1000 bucks or more if needed, and also not going for 4K resolutions or anything like that, I can stay at 1080p

>>59159597

have you tried to look up the situation to see if anyone else has experienced it too?

>>59159644
I did, this was my last port of call for it. I've googled things like 'FPS drops on desktop' 'FPS drops at browser idle' etc and got a hit for a bitcoin miner trojan, but my system is a fresh OS install and built myself, legit copy of windows, but I still did a scan with MSE, Hitman Pro and Mbytes and nothing.

Another thing was specifically for my browser, Waterfox, relating to hardware accel, toggling it on and off had no effect.

All other hits were just people complaining about their individual games and my games work fine, which is also weird.

>>59159672
From what I can gather these guys don't know anything other than how to spend money. They're litterally the same as Apple dweebs.

>>59159640
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pvr7d6

here.

>>59159747

It has randomly resolved itself after 2 restarts.

I want to reproduce it so I can figure out what the hell it was though.

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>>59159775
WARNING THAT CASE HAS NO OPTICAL DRIVE MOUNT

>>59159869

nobody uses optical. Get external if you must.

>>59159775

the internals look good but your case is too big. if you're going to go with a micro-ATX motherboard, look into ITX cases. otherwise, all of your parts look very well thought out.

>>59158068
I edited my build a little, how does this look?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qmXHQV

>>59159917
everything looks good bro, and i like the white/black color scheme.

>>59159898

Case was cheap, didh't bother looking at mini cases.
Fractal Design Define Mini C with Window look great tho.

Since Windows 7 support is being dropped by newer CPUs, how long will my current Ivy Bridge i5 system last me? I refuse to use Windows 10.

Should I go Skylake now for some more future proofing?

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r8 my build. 24gb of ram needed for meme job. not sure about 480 since the machine isnt meant to be a gaming rig but a workstation, but i also need to hook up a 4k display and three other 1080p displays. reading here that its really loud but assuming i'm not gaming this should really be an issue right? purple case and liquid cooling because i want to dabble in OC and rice my shit up. once i figure that out i'll consider getting a 1080 ti or something comparable.

>>59159937
Thanks. I was originally going to get the Gaming X 1070 but then I saw the QuickSilver OC.

>>59159917

Get NVMe ssd.

unknown brand cooler ? Look cheap to me.

>>59159946

1. do you plan to overclock the CPU? If so, either buy a good heatsink (DH 15 or a Cooler Master 212 EVO) or a 240mm liquid cooler. Those 120mm liquid coolers are garbage.

2. The way that a CPU accesses RAM from the motherboard means you'll want to either fill 2 slots or 4 slots. downgrade to 16 GB

3. as far as storage goes, hopefully you get a 1tb HDD

4. your power supply is overkill for what you're trying to do.

>>59159972
>unknown brand cooler
Are you stupid or just dumb?

>>59159939

yep that's pretty well received. good choice.>>59159972

>>59159946
What kind of workstation ? For the videocard, if only doing 2D stuff, get RX470 with aftermarket cooler (dual fans, much more quiet)

Get 32gb memory kit instead.

You can link the build instead of posting image.

500w PSU is enough. Seasonic is most reliable brand.

>>59159946
also would like something similar to that processor that would run win 7. currently using an i7 4790 and that's. would just getting last gen's i7 7700k be the easiest answer?

>>59159993
1. yes.
2. yea that's what i figured since i've heard about that before just couldnt remember the exact reason. my current setup has 16gb of ram and i'm hitting close to 95% during peak usage just wanted a nice buffer but not too much. i guess if i'm spending this much on other stuff might as well go for 32gb.
3. i stream everything and what i do doesnt really require that much storage so don't really see the point. also like my computer booting faster and not shitting the bed if it topples over for whatever reason.
4. i guess i could grab a lower wattage psu to buffer paying for another stick of ram.

thanks

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What is the best Z270 motherboard for the i7 7700k?

Probably won't do SLI, 2 SSDs and 3 HDDs

>>59160104
What is "best"?
Asus has all the highest records and all the highest prices.

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>>59160104
I got the ASUS Z170i Pro Gaming six weeks ago and now I'm trying to convince myself that I don't need this.

>>59159775
>>59159869
>>59159898
Thanks I'll look into it

>>59160139
I'm >>59159241 who just finished a build in that case, lots of sharp metal edges and shitty thumbscrews, just a heads up. It's a kind of shitty case, there's a reason I got it for free.

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thoughts on this build?

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JztJPs

>>59160104

buy a maximus

i'm biased buy i have one for my 6700k. awesome BIOS with a shit-ton of tweak room. plus i have no GPU sag and plenty of SATA ports.

>>59160091
i7 4790 and thats okay but i'm trying to upgrade.* although win10 isnt that bad. not a big deal.

>>59160022
ecommerce i'll leave it at that
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RLM8m8

whats the best bet for 32 gb of ram? 4 x 8 or 2 x 16
aftermarket fans on the case or on the card? my guess would be the case but idk.

i'm not sure if its this website or this case but i'm not getting any listings for 240mm fans on the part picker. would really prefer to have this case but if its impossible then i would consider something else.

>>59160104
I got a MSI m5.

It's gud. Lots of settings, clean bios menu, tons of rice, support for GPUs so they don't sag as much etc.

>>59160165
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NdKZHN

here

>>59160232
May I ask why choose Pentium for cpu and use Sandisk?

>>59160263
the kaby lake pentium g4560 has hyperthreading, pretty much turning it into an i3 that's 400 mhz slower and $60 cheaper. as for sandisk, meh, force of habit.

>spend $1000 on a new gaming PC
>just remembered that there's no fucking PC games worth playing
Did I fall for the PCmasterrace meme?

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>>59160321
kk thx a lot my dude

>>59160343
Yes. Remember to act like a dick to anyone who hasn't built a computer and argue over meaningless shit on reddit.

>>59160343
You get your money back by pyrating games.

>Gigabyte G1 Gaming
>Ever

Fucking 60 degree temps while idle
90 under duress

>>59158782
More silicon than, say, a CPU, and their expensive cooling systems.
Lower scale of production also plays a part.

>>59160462
What games?

The price for CPU are really dropping or is just a meme?

>>59160343
>t.sony/v/toddler

I still don't know if I should buy the Ryzen 1700 or just go with something from (((Intel))). I want to get this build done ASAP but I'm worried about the 1700 being a buggy launch.

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I've tried four sticks, and none of them work. My new build won't have an optical drive, so an ISO is out of the question.

What the fuck Microsoft?

Also asked what the fuck in /sqt/.

>>59160658
How much do you need this computer to be done?

Whats the current recommended AMD CPU in the $200 Range? MY Mobo is AM3+ so I can't really go with Ryzen when it comes out as it's a socket AM4.

>>59160673

use rufus

>>59158451
>How large is that? Because I have heard that if you are making a new machine Kaby Lake is worth it, but not worth if you are upgrading from Skylake.
Negligible. The 7500 is basically only worth it if it's the same price as 6500.

>>59160674
Price wise or time wise? I want to buy my parts this week, but I might hold off until proper benchmarks come in. Ideally I'd wait for the 1600x but I can't wait that long...I've already been waiting since December because of the hype.

>>59160694
Time-wise. If you have a working computer already, then wait. If you don't, it's your choice.

Regret is a very powerful feeling though.

>>59160673

>download iso
>use rufus to put it on usb
>put in your cdkey
>?????
>profit

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Is there any cons to do something like this?

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So i'm gonna be building a rig pretty soon, personal use, and i've seen that the kingston valueram is significantly cheaper than anything else on the market.

So ...

My question is ...

Is there any observable difference between the cheapo sticks and the higher speed sticks?

>>59161849
>DDR3
>everyone goes out of their way to tell you ram speeds don't matter
>many tests on youtube to confirm it

>DDR4
>everyone obsessing over ram speeds
>much less info available

Did cockiar up their shilling budget after they found their dedicated reddit rep paid off?

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>>59161962
>Did cockiar up their shilling budget after they found their dedicated reddit rep paid off?

Look, mate, i enjoy 4chan as much as the next guy. But this board is a very special type of OCD infused depressive autism. And i don't mean autism in the context of a jaded insult at the expense of the handicapped; i mean autism in the sense that personal computing is, by its very nature, a magnet for people on the spectrum.

What you just wrote to me indicates you seriously need to re-evaluate what you get out of being here, and whether or not the ability to insult strangers on the internet with jargon only you can truly understand is worth exchanging a small part of your very real and tangible grasp on reality.

Looking to get a ryzen update, when's cheaper models coming? Q3?
470, 480 or 460 for graphics? I occasionaly play, and use two 1080p monitors.

Also, I've got an Asus Xonar d2 sound card, should I be looking at one of the two AM4 cards with a pci-slot, buy a pci to pci-e adapter, or am I better off looking for a mobo with decent sound?

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FUCK DO I GO WITH RYZEN 1700 OR INTEL 7700??? ORDERED EVERYTHING ELSE BUT STILL HAVEN'T DECIDED ON CPU.

>>59162187
I'm not from /g/, i've heard this is a meme, but waiting a couple days isn't an awful idea.

If nothing else intel will drop prices.

>>59162187
>buying launch

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gmVYhq

I don't know how computers work so I think if I buy all the parts suggested to me something's going to go wrong or I'm going to be tricked into buying pieces that don't work together. So I'm going to buy pre built. What are the things I should look for so I get the best pc. Like whats the best graphics card and processor and what should I want to be higher or lower about the PC.

>>59162531
just binge-watch "how to build gaymen pc" videos. thats how i got into it

Bought a graphics card, but don't get any picture. Tried putting it in twice, and tried both dvi and hdmi ports, so it shouldn't be that I put it in wrongly. The fans and lights on the card work, but no picture at all, just a black screen.
Could updating BIOS solve it? I only use one 6pin for the new card, used two for the older card...
Or is the card faulty?

Tell me about e5 2670 builds

Are the motherboard still 300 dollars

>>59161824
looks like shit

>>59162531
nvidia gtx 1080
intel i7-7700k
700w.att PSU , Platinum +
Motherboard that supports overclocking
144hz 1440p G-sync monitor, one of the good ones with no glare.
512Gb NvME M.2 SSD (960 EVO Samsung)
Cables
Big case that has slots for all of the above and 2 140mm fans, one for intake and one for exhale.
CPU cooler, like 212 evo. And good thermal paste.
Anti-static tools, no magnets either.
umm.. maybe others will rage about how i missed something

>>59162531
>pre-built
>best PC
Pick one. Anything prebuilt is practically guaranteed to be either way overpriced or just shit with crappy motherboard and a PSU that's practically a firehazard.

I was taking a look at this page
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/H270M-BAZOOKA.html#support-hdd for said motherboard.

I should disregard the fact that a ton of ssd's are not listed in there (like my samsung 840 pro) and assume they can be used normally right?

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Thoughts? I'm sick of waiting and want my rig now

What is the best choice for the RX 480 8GB?

Can i just tack a second mid level gpu instead of buying a new expensive one? Ive heard of dual gpus before

>>59164213
XFX GTR

>>59164219
Depends on whether your motherboard and GPU support SLi or Crossfire and whether your PSU is good enough to power the second GPU as well as the rest of your system.

>>59164219

It's possible if the card supports it but it's typically not recommended over a single card setup.

>>59164062
Get RX480 istead of 1060.
Get NVMe ssd

>>59164045

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fRr6LD

I'm building a new tower with these components
(the 2x 840 Pros i already have, they are from my current rig which has some hardware faults atm, hence the replacement)

How does that setup sound? I've confirmed compability for everthing,
the only thing off are the discs that don't show on the motherboard listings but i think that's irrelevant.

I should be getting it this week.

>>59164581
What is it for? Because for gaming at least, a 7700 is overkill when combined with GTX 1060.

>>59164639
Mostly gaming, but i do ocasionaly give a shot to video editing and working with Unity3d / programming, so i have use for it. What's the equivalent locked i5? (I don't overclock and i kinda want the bundled cooler)

>>59164453
>Get NVMe
done
>Get RX480
Why? It's only good on vulkan games

>>59164682
>Why? It's only good on vulkan games
At release that was true. By now it's better than 1060 overall except in Nvidia sponsored games, regardless of the API.

>>59164798
Give fresh benchmarks pls, I want to believe you

Does anyone know if the i7 7700 stock cooler comes with thermal paste applied?

>>59164943

Yes.

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have I made a terrible mistake?

>>59164863

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/73945-gtx-1060-vs-rx-480-updated-review-23.html

>>59165247
Not really. The 1060 6GB is still a pretty good choice, 480 is just arguably better.

>>59165247
yes. should have went with RX 480. It was way slower on launch but now it's consistently faster than a 1060

What should I get warranties on if I'm ordering my parts ahead of time (i.e. I won't be home to check on them for ~3 months). I figure I don't have to worry about shit like the HDD, SSD, RAM, and case but what about the PSU, mobo, GPU, and CPU?

>>59165248
Nice. 8gb Sapphire Radeon RX 480 Nitro+ OC should be good then(?), it's on sale

>>59158068
This'll be my first build, r8/h8.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pCyk7h

>>59165539

Yep, that card is top tier, can't go wrong.

>>59165653
looking good there, anon
I'd go with HGST for hard drive, but it's possible I'm memed

>>59165696
Thanks. I've been seeing people recommend HGST or the P300 as an alternative, so I guess it doesn't matter.

>1060 does better for 3 games I actually play
>480 does better for pretty much everything else
fug

>>59165653

Pretty good !

I would maybe change the PSU to SeaSonic SSR-550RM for proven reliable brand and tested stability. Cheaper too ...

You can save money if going B350 mobo. Not on PCPP for some reason but it's jsut as good as X370 unless you want to really push OC.

Nice window case, might as well get gpu with RGB capability like NITRO+ OC or asus strix. XFX isn't an AMD premium partner, I would not buy amd gpu from them.

>>59165792

How much better ? 2 frames per second ? maybe 5 ?

realistically, it's probably insignificant. the resl question is: do you have a FreeSink monitor ?

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1) Will an i5-4670K bottleneck a 1080? I assume not, but it's been 3 years since i made any changes to my computer.
2) Are there any 1080 brands to avoid? There's a $615 MSI X version on sale I had thought to pick up, and other than EVGA's temp issues, everyone of them seems about the same.
3) Is it worth waiting for the 1080ti to see if prices will drop? Is there any price point I should wait for instead?

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Quick question.

This would give me negative pressure in the case, which would accumulate MORE dust, right?

The idea is having more INTAKE than exhaust in order to not accumulate dust? (all intakes are filtered)

>>59167112
Perhaps I could use the rear fan as INTAKE instead, yeah?

That would work right?

>>59167112
>This would give me negative pressure in the case, which would accumulate MORE dust, right?
Yes.

>The idea is having more INTAKE than exhaust in order to not accumulate dust?
Yes.

>>59167179
>Perhaps I could use the rear fan as INTAKE instead, yeah?
This is just retarded.

>>59167357
Well, then I don't really have many options other than going 3 120s on the front panel, 1 140mm on the rear and 2 120s exhausts on the top for the CLC

That would just about net me neutral pressure which is still not ideal.

FUCK

>>59167416
Imho go 3x120 intake and 1x140 rear + 1x120 top exhaust, you don't need a quadrillion of fans.

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>>59159945
Please respond.

Should I take the plunge and buy a Ryzen 5 or Ryzen 3 and B350 mobo when they come out?

>>59168474
No. Wait for benchmarks, you always wait for benchmarks.

>>59168496
Is there a release date set for R5?

>>59168521
Q2 and R3 even later.

>>59168060
Yeah but the top needs 2x fans because it's an AIO/CLC.

>>59168563
I can wait until Q2 for R5 (not going to buy into Intel memes until coffee comes out) from what I've seen though, the R5s will cost more than the new kaby lake i5 processors, which worries me a little bit.

>>59168597
In that case you'll have to live with it, but can't you mount the AIO at the front?

>>59168621
From what i've heard the 1600X (best R5) will cost about $250, might be wrong though.
Really wanted the 1600X + cheap X370 or B350, but i'm not waiting until godknowswhen and i'll neither have the time for this shit, so fuck AMD.
Personally i'll try to repair/salvage my old PC with some spare parts i have or build a G4560 build. Recommend you to do the same if you can't wait.

>>59162187
just wait until the 2nd for reviews you spastic

>>59168779
I can but that isn't aesthetic.

>>59165990
Nope!

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>>59158068
How do you prevent dog/pet hair from coming into your computers? I thought about external fan filters but it messes up the airflow and makes it too hot when i play vidya. Suggestions?

>>59168943
Keep the pet out of the room or don't have a pet. Alternatively, groom your pet very often to lessen the effect.

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hi, im new to building things and want some feedback on my build, it might be a bit late as i've already bought almost everything but the CPU, GPU and SSD

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/JaeSquared/saved/cZ6rHx

I'm not sure what SSD to get, the reviews on the Ultra II say it has a tendency to die, but i don't really want to risk buying an obscure name without an endorsement

>>59168985

Those 120mm fans are going to be really loud, noctua or not.

Otherwise it all looks good as long as you're okay with being a generation behind

>>59168985
It's shit.
>i've already bought almost everything
Retard.

>>59169097
i'm not too worried about the sound, but what do you mean about being a generation behind? Not trying to be the cutting edge, just trying to make a build that will last for a few years on optimal graphics.

>>59169117
Helpful.

>>59169191

If that's what you're looking for, you'll be good

>>59168985

Samsung 850 pro 512gb, otherwise evo worth the extra 50 and sandisk

If you can, really get a 1080ti over the 1080 (based on the titan xp) use the igpu in the meantime or your previous card

CPU is ok

>>59168779
It's not that I can't wait, I just would rather have my PC built by the beginning of May or so. I could just get a Skylake or something (not overclocking) but seeing as a 6500 is the same price as a 7500 on amazon (more or less) I might just go Intel if R5 isn't out by then. How sound is that?

>>59168985
Not that 8 bucks is going to break your budget, but most of the time paste is preapplied
I hope you got a discount for the keyboard and mouse, it's for sure not needed to pay that much for them.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JYZfGf

Any suggestions?

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>>59169191

Why did you buy over 200 bucks in fans? What pushed you to do that.

They will outlast your build onto the next one.

>>59169212
neat, thanks man
>>59169240
Samsung makes me weary, idk why, i'll probably buy it though. The 1080ti however I'm not sure if i'll go for, if the performance increase is really that substantial and it's not going to cost me another $300 i might go for it. Also NVidia makes me weary but i guess i'm not getting around them.

>>59169260
>>59169401
fans and goop are placeholders, i only bought 4 fans, gonna wait and see if i actually need more.

thanks guys

>>59169372
Not bad, but see this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/knRk7h

>>59169372

RAM Kingston Savage 2400MHz DDR4 CL12 over Fury 2133 CL14

SSD 850 pro instead of evo (evo is completely fine, just the 256gb version of pro goes faster than the rest of the line)

Hitachi 2TB Ultrastar 7K3000 over WD black 1

Asus Turbo 1070 over 480

Define S over R5

Seasonic X 650 over G 550

Monitor ASUS PB277Q

For gaming, should your GPU always cost more than your CPU?

>>59169372
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JYZfGf
You're wasting money on that cpu cooler to impress the nerds here, a 212 will do the exact same job. You could upgrade to z270 and kaby lake, and still have some of that $50 left over. You're only losing Optane and higher m.2 bandwidth though.

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>>59169724

>>59169748
Tbqh I don't know CPU coolers at all.

>>59169724

The prices aren't related, but for gaming your cost priority should be

GPU > cooler (NHD15) > cpu (i5 6600k min) > SSD (850 evo) > RAM

>>59169724
I'd say that's a good general rule, but I don't know about ALWAYS. If all you play are strategy games(or other CPU heavy stuff) and you care about framerate more than eyecandy, I imagine you might want to spend more on the CPU.

>>59169796
212 evo, look at the sales numbers and ratings on newegg. There's a reason they still make it after so many people have bought it. I got one 4 years ago, still going strong and I just bought another for my next build.

>>59169810

and your CPU will generally outlast your by at least three generations, so you can upgrade just the GPU two or three years later

>>59169372
seems kinda weak for the money

$1300 for a 6600k and RX 480? here's a list I threw together a while back that is significantly faster for ~$1200 sans monitor

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zhQq9W

sure there's no Samsung SSD but I've built PCs with both high end Samsung/Intel SSDs and cheaper stuff and noticed functionally zero difference between the two, it's up to you really if you think that a nicer SSD is a worthwhile division of your budget in lieu of strengthening your core CPU/GPU combo but I'd consider going with a lower end SSD just as a boot drive for the moment and upgrading it later if you really feel the need to.

Ryzen also seems promising if you want to get the most bang for your buck, really an excellent move here would be to go for an 4c/8t Ryzen CPU or whatever is $100 less than the 7700k and then put that extra money towards a 1440p or 144hz monitor depending on which you prefer. much nicer experience overall than what you have planned right now.

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>>59169372
>>59169748
>>59169920

This is the toppest kek build imo

Okay boys, what is the top 3 manufacturers for each part?

Tbqh what is the point of getting Ryzen when you have to OC it just to get comparable speeds to high end intel CPUs, while also being more expensive at the same time.

For instance

>1800X is $500 while the i7-7700k is $338
>1800X has less performance right off the bat and has to be overclocked to perform better

Muh eight cores and all that on paper, seems nice but the price tag being much higher than a high end Intel while barely performing better in theory is pretty kekworthy.

Give me one reason why Ryzen isn't just another meme waiting to fail.

>>59159049
I have that case, it's dope. also lol optical drives

>>59170432
Because the 1800x competes with 6900k(which goes for $1100) and not 7700k. You're just being cucked by intel into thinking that a quad-core with SMT is "high-end".

>>59170492
>6900k
>$1100
Well why the fuck is it so expensive.

>>59170517
Jews. That, and until now Intel hasn't had any real competition in the high-end since Phenom II so they've been free to inflate the prices.

>>59158068
Is there a bigger size tower than full ATX?

>>59170517
No reason at all. It's just intel not having competition until now.

>>59170554
E-ATX.

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>rebates are a waste of time they said
>they'll never show up they said
Unless you shit money you should probably be doing your rebates

>>59170562
thank you so much ;~;

>>59170362
>air coolers
Cryorig
noctua
cooler master

>liquid coolers
Corsair
NZXT
Thermaltake

>mobo
Gigabyte
Asus
Msi

>ram
Corsair
Kingston
g.skill

>storage
WD
seagate
samsung

>gpu
msi
asus
gigabyte

>case
fractal design
phanteks
NZXT

>psu
EVGA
seasonic
Corsair

>>59170554
Never go full ATX.

>>59170593
wry?

>>59170362

CPU: Intel, AMD
Cooler: Noctua, bequiet
MB: Asus, ASrock
Memory: Crucial, Mushkin, Kingston
SSD: Samsung, Intel
NVMe: Samsung
PCIE: Intel 750
HDD: Hitachi, WD
GPU: very relative, aftermarket cooling
Case: Lian Li / Silverstone
psu: Seasonic, EVGA (superflower)
Fan: Noctua, Scythe
Monitor: Dell for pro tier, assuming Asus for gaymen

very broad and relative

>>59170554
See OP's post. Pic related.

>>59170616
You don't need all that space. Mid towers are biggest most people will ever need.

>>59170825
>most people aren't hardcore gamer or software programmers like us

I know this is more for building pcs but I was wondering if I could get some retail advice. Got a X61 and am looking to upgrade + lower the weight. What's a cheap laptop on the market that's light weight?

>>59167112
Just do 1 top fan sucking out in addition to the rear exhaust fan.

Or you know, use dust filters.

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Ok goys, I'm getting Ryzen if it lives up to the hype. Also planning to get a AIO watercooler for it, but I can't really figure out how big I really need for just a 8 core CPU. Is a 120/140mm^2 rad fine or should i just go for the 240/280mm^2 rad? I'm not aiming for any killer OC and just want to make sure that I can sit comfortably at around 4,3GHz (±0,2)

Tbqh why even bother with Ryzen CPUs? They're gonna be shit, faulty, buggy, etc; at launch and it won't be for a few months until we see decent models. Why not just stick with Intel since they have good performance without OC'ing, are cheaper, and not a complete fucking meme.

>everything but my case coming on Friday
>Case on backorder

>>59170897
You go by the TDP.

140W should do. 200W wouldn't hurt.

But AIOs suck dick. They get heat soak and outperform high end air coolers after a few hours of high load usage.

Just get a high end air cooler.
AIO are for faggots that wish they could be a kewl kid and have water cooling but are too pussy and poor to make a custom loop (which actually works all day because of larger radiators and the large reservoirs, but is still noisier than high end air).
It's a jew meme made to get people to waste money on something that out performs simpler, quieter, more reliable air coolers.

>>59170991
I need new pc soon so I'm going for overkill AM4 motherboard and 1700.
When zen+ comes I'll get a proper cpu

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>>59170991
>can't wait for the middle ground release
>1700 is out of my budget
I'd never get full use out of it anyway

>>59170362
In alphabetical order, not by tier/quality.

>CPU
AMD, Intel, Qualcomm :^)

>air cooling
Cryorig, Noctua, Thermalright

>AIO
Corsair, NZXT, Thermaltake

>thermal compound
Noctua and Thermal Grizzly, discard everything else.

>mobo
Asus, Gigabyte, MSI

>RAM
Corsair, G.Skill, Kingston

>SSD
ADATA, PNY, Samsung

>HDD
HGST, Toshiba, WD

>NVMe / M.2
Go Samsung or go home.

>GPU
Here you have to seperate AMD --- Nvidia
Asus, MSI, XFX --- Asus, MSI, Zotac

>case
Be Quiet!, Fractal Design, Cooler Master

>PSU
EVGA (Super Flower OEM in EU), Corsair (stay away from their exploding budget trash!!), SeaSonic

>fan
Be Quiet!, Noctua, Scythe

>monitor
Asus, BenQ, Dell

>>59171012
>Just get a high end air cooler.
Yeah sure, and have nice time with memory compatibility, installation and general clearance.

>AIO are for faggots that wish they could be a kewl kid and have water cooling but are too pussy and poor to make a custom loop
I want to get AIO simply because they offer superior cooling in a smaller space and don't require me to get a shitload of tools and equipment just to cool a CPU. I know that something like NH-D15 might at some point in time outperform an 280mm AIO, but I can't fit huge shit like that in my shoebox case.

>>59171012
There are a lot of good aios tho

>>59171222
"good" is subjective.

I don't think worse cooling performance after an hour of usage while being 4 times as loud is good.

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>>59166094
please respond

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CbvfGf
This isn't what im paying for this list but is this good for light gaming? I'm going to have a hard drive ready for actual storage

>>59158068
>>59158068
I always wondered about that picture?

What is it like a server? Is there any money to be made in something like that?

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>>59170897
>>59171012
>>59171208
>>59171222
>>59171252

Let me rephrase the question.

http://www.corsair.com/en-eu/hydro-series-h110i-280mm-extreme-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler
This is the AIO I was planning to get (+2 noctua industrial meme fans). Will it be good? I am not getting a big clunky air cooler just to satisfy one autist on /g/

>>59171297

IIRC it's a bitcoin miner.

>>59171271
Thats an well made upper mid build.

I hate Assrock mobos though, I bent a pin trying to get the industrial strength bear claw of a cpu holder down.

I don't know what kind of fucking CPU they designed this thing to keep down but it had a bit force to keep a timber wolf in place.

>>59171323
Well we know it's old then or unusable now.

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>>59170870

this

>>59169801
Where does the motherboard fit in?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7qkXZ8

On a really tight budget, about 1k max. This good enough?

>>59171265
>1)
Check on the internet, my guess is that it does bottleneck the 1080.
>2)
If you haven't heard it's name, don't buy. Good brands are Palit, Zotac, PNY, Asus, EVGA, MSI and others.
EVGA's ACX cards are housefire meme, but ICX cards are fine, it's their new heatsink design which fixed the exploding VRM issue, temps are now good.
>3)
Probably yes, i guess? Also Vega will come, too.

>>59171271
You're overpaying for a i5-6500 build, see: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FmqpRG
Idk if you need the HDD, you can leave it out, this would bring you just under $800.

>>59171398
Pretty good but to give you a heads up, it's going to be a pain in the ass with windows 10 and gaming. Especially if you have steam and all your files are on the other drive instead of your SSD.

>>59171398
Do you really need a blu ray drive? Also, you can get w10 for free through accessibility upgrades. Newegg has a sale for a Saphhire rx 480 for 219 if you need to squeeze some money out.

>>59171372

motherboard just get a workstation class signature without going full gaymen, make sure it has intel nics and it's fine since the components are all good by default. eg Asus A series, signature. these boards will still handle overclocking and automatically from the uefi.

The gaming upsell is usually wifi (latency) and audio (in that case get a xonar dx with uni xonar drivers or external dac eg amp fiio e10K with HD598SE)

>>59171398

Pirate win10.

Don't get a WiFi card, get power line or see variant.

>>59171444
Not really a big fan on the brushed look of that particular case, and I'm pretty ok with what I have currently. Thanks though.

>>59171522
If you like "flat" or glossy looking silent cases Cooler Master has some, i think, maybe look into that. NZXT does too, obviously, but imho they are overpriced as shit.

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what does /pcbg/ have waiting in stock for their build?

in stock:
>H115i cpu cooler
>16GB GDDR4 RAM
>1TB M.2 NVMe SSD
>850 Watt Seasonic PSU
>WASD Code Keyboard green switches
>G502 mouse

incoming:
>phanteks enthoo evolv atx
>ASUS PG279Q

possible:
>ryzen 1800x if not a overly hyped mess
>gtx 1080ti if significantly better than 1080

>>59171585
Im honestly looking for something that won't be a magnet for fingerprints. Glad you mentioned that because from the looks of it what I picked out is glossy on the front.

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Location: Germany
Budget: Dunno
This is my first build.

I wanna get the 1800X and i want to overclock it.
I do own a RX480 and a 250GB SSD.

I would like to get a second RX480 since this would fit better to the 1800X.

is it ok to buy the cheapest DDR4-3000 ??
Does a Mainboard effect the performance ?

>>59171830
>what does /pcbg/ have waiting in stock for their build?
Eternal hatred and anger towards the retailers raising RAM prices, industry being so incompetent to not produce more and AMD for delaying R5 1600X.

>>59171979
>that won't be a magnet for fingerprints
In that case imo it's better to live with that brushed look than fingerprints.

>>59172131
This build is trash m8. Buy cheapest 3000/3200 kit you can get, a X370 mobo, a non-shit PSU that won't explode in your face and a non-shit cooler, the H105 is loud as shit and doesn't perform good enough to justify it's pricetag.
>Does a Mainboard effect the performance ?
It affects OC performance, B350 is not meant for high-end OC, X370 is. Get the Asus PRIME X370 unless you want to go full retard and spend 300€ on a mobo.

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Is my mobo fucked or is it an error with the reading?

I've never seen it below 109c

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I have these molex cables that came with my power supply and some of them have another molex that conecctor that splits with another. What are the name for these? Can I just plug both in or just the main one?

Just got a new SSD to replace my old hard drive.
Is there a way to transfer windows 7 over to the new drive or should I just format it and start fresh?

>>59172131
Consider getting a X370 Mobo like the Crosshair or Taichi which will overclock better.
Also AIO watercooling is a meme. Get a good noctua one it's less noisy and actually cooler.

>>59172350
macrium reflect always worked for me

>>59172131

This is on mindfactory right, jajaja

Get this instead, most important is the power supply quality for overclocking and then motherboard. Upgrade 480 to 1180/Vega, it's not the best time to buy a GPU

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X 8x 3.6GHz WOF - € 559,00
CL: Noctua NH-D15 Tower Kühler - € 83,72
MB: Asus Prime X370-Pro AMD X370 So.AM4 Dual Channel - € 168,85
RAM: 16GB HyperX Savage DDR4-2666 DIMM CL13 Dual Kit - € 130,54
PSU: 760 Watt Seasonic Platinum Modular 80+ Platinum - € 140,95

Total: € 1.083,06
Tax: € 172,92

>>59170576
Is there a good place to look up rebates?

>The Ryzen equivalent of the 7500 is priced $20 more and is .4 hz slower at max clock and .2 hz slower at base clock
Remind me why I should get R5 if I don't want to overclock again?

>>59172445
>RAM: 16GB HyperX Savage DDR4-2666 DIMM CL13 Dual Kit - € 130,54
Why only 2666 ? And why for 130 Bucks ?
Whats wrong with a cheaper 3200 Kit ?

>>59159946
F+

>>59161824
D U S T

>>59166094
1) No i5 released within the past couple years will bottleneck a 1080
2) Not really. Go for what you think looks best or what will probably overclock the best, depending on what your priority is.
3) A solid probably.

>>59172775

I'm using passmark benches as a ref even if we don't have AMD results, haven't heard of Aegis, if you're getting GSkill, get the Trident Z at CL14

16GB G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-3200 DIMM CL14 Dual Kit - € 171,39

That or Ripjaws, but not Aegies. Memory prices are quite good in Deutschland.

Rape my build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KNZZHN

>>59171830
Completed:
>Mionix Naos 7000
>Cooler Master Novatouch with PBT keycaps
>ITX case and motherboard swap
>Noctua NF-A14 + 2 x NF-A9
Considering:
>4K/1440p monitor
>250GB M.2 NVMe SSD
>16GB RAM
>WD Red drives or high-capacity SSDs for quiet storage

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>>59173201
>1300 bongs
>no case

>>59173296
its a 1070 with a ryzen. and 3000 ramabytes of ram. the price is normal

>>59173201
>not 1700X
>but meme mobo
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qfj2Yr

>>59173321
109 dollars for ddr4 ram isn't

>>59173201
>>59173321

1700x instead of 1700
X370 prime instead of crosshair (wifi/bluetooth and audio added)
pro instead of evo
HGST 0F12455 instead WD blue
SuperNOVA 650 P2 instead G2

also the RAM is top, ripjaws 15 3000 beats trident z at similar cas & higher

>>59173445
>>59173361
Crosshair is the only one on parts picker that supports 3200 ram

>>59170591
Add Sapphire to GPU if you go #redteam

>>59173549

2666 out of the box, with support for 3200MHz in OC mode

Finally gonna pull the trigger soon on my first desktop ever, /g/. Finally going from toaster laptop to home built desktop master race.

Problem is I'm new. I've worked up a list for the past couple months and want to make sure it's sensible and well rounded.

My budget is $1000 and this is my current build I feel like I've gotten very close to my liking.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Toiletchan/saved/#view=JpQRBm

>inb4 1080 memes
I just don't know.

Give thoughts though please!

>>59173649
Mustard race is a /pol/lack mentality.

Ugly computer too.

>>59173672
/pol/ is a legitimately good board.

>>59173649
I just got that card and it made me realize I should have gotten a micro case and mobo too
imagine walking around with a shoebox that can play any game

>>59173649
I too am a newfag and my build looks kind of similar.

>>59173705
Shoeboxes are heavier than you think. Think about if all the hardware in a tower ware crammed together with almost no dead space.

Budget: Up to $800
Purpose: Gaming/3d modeling and rendering

First time having enough money to purchase a decent computer, and I'd like to get something that's both powerful for right now and can be upgraded fairly easily.

Unfortunately, I have no idea where to start, and it seems like there's been a bunch of new stuff released recently. Is anything in the OP still up to date and recommended?

Answer this for me, /pcbg/.

Ryzen 1400X or i5-7500?

>>59158068

Can we update that sticky to include NVMe as the go-to SSD type ?

We also need to emphasis the balance between cpu power and gpu power. way too many people wan to pair RX470/480 with i7-K cpu. that's just asking for disapointment.

Also, PCPP does not list B350 AM4 boards, that's a shame because they are way cheaper and a better choice for most people going for R7-1700.

>>59173776
$50 more.

>>59173793
You don't really benefit from having an NVMe SSD unless you do heavy video editing.

>>59173776
Literally Ryzen. Why is this even a question?

>>59173776

R7-1700+B350 mobo will get you close to i5-7500+B250 mobo price.
But way, way better performance.

>>59173649
>https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Toiletchan/saved/#view=JpQRBm
>$1000
>4threads
>spending $1000 for 4 threads in 2017

I just don't know what to tell you guys anymore.

What part of your autisms is keeping you guys from just buying a used 4770k and motherboard, or something like that?

>>59173761
Just make a bristol ridge AM4 system for $400 and upgrade to Ryzen + 1080Ti/Vega when they come.

$800 right now is pretty much the sweet spot of paying double for only 25% better performance than you get over a $400 system.

Or you can go with a G4560 or i3-7350K plus an GTX 1070.
Or get a Ryzen 7 and just a cheap GPU like a RX470. If you want to cheap on the motherboard and just have 8GB of ram, I think you can fit in an RX480.

>>59173776
1400X obviously.
Twice the threads.
Unlocked multiplier.
Motherboards cost less.

Intel only has 2 CPUs worth buying:
G4560 and i7-7700k
All the others are horribly, arbitrarily gimped for no reason except to drive sales of those two processors.
i5-7500 is just made so you'll need to upgrade sooner once its 4 threads and lack of unlocked multiplier chokes you.

Honestly, like >>59173836 said:
Why is this even a question?

>>59173858
Not really. R7+B350 mobo gets you to ~$430 while n i5-7500+B250 mobo gets you to ~$300.

So you have to pay $130 extra for better performance (which makes sense considering the R7 is supposed to compete with the i7 processors)

>>59173649
1070 is overkill no this build. Get a RX480 or GTX1060 and 500W PSU and your case is shit.

is this a good price for a 1200w psu?
http://www.ebay com/itm/162409851784?_trksid=p2055359.m1431.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

>>59173903
>Or you can go with a G4560 or i3-7350K plus an GTX 1070.
>Or get a Ryzen 7 and just a cheap GPU like a RX470. If you want to cheap on the motherboard and just have 8GB of ram, I think you can fit in an RX480.

Do you have any builds that include those parts? No idea what to pair up with anything, sadly.

>>59173824

Well then, NGFF Sata then ?

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What's the best color scheme for a water cooled rigid tubing build?

Nerds always seem to just go with "yellow" or "green" or "red" color scheme.

>>59174226
Piss yellow, like the "I've been sleeping for 19 hours and I haven't been drinking anything at all" kind of yellow.

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>>59174226

I guess I'm a nerd, because I'd go for green and black.

But lately I've been thinking about what a build inspired by a Les Paul Custom would look like: White case, white components, gold fittings and black coolant.

>>59174226
Whenever I see cases like that I'm always reminded of the Ferrari 250GT California. It's beautiful, purposeful, but it's just pointless because it is so expensive that you could never justify the expense except just by staring at it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vqF8m8

1080p gaming on FS compatible monitor. I play with VM's sometimes.

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>>59174226

peppermint

>>59174265

It's just a slightly modified Enthoo Luxe. Nothing crazy...

newegg has a sale on the powercolor 480s for 145 after MIR right now, I've been thinking about picking one up for mining in recent weeks. Anyone know anything about the card? performance, temps, etc? the reviews on newegg are al really good, and the price seems right

>>59158068
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9tqk7h
R8 my build <3

>>59174313

Are those 8Gb ?

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>>59174288
Why would you sacrifice a second rad and only use a 360 rad JUST to have a gigantic reservoir?

how can i optimize a "modest" build of logical increments?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W7vgKZ

my budget is up to 450. i'm not a graphics nut, but i'd like to run games pretty reliably without framedrops

>>59174453
>but i'd like to run games pretty reliably without framedrops
at what resolution?

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Which processor can handle my 128gbs of RAM?
>no i didn't buy it
>i stole the ram

I just want to play Fallout 3 without it freezing on me.

>>59174528
1080p

I pulled the trigger today, lads. $1950 poorer.

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Thoughts? I'm kinda hung on the right MOBO. Every MOBO review on newegg has DOA and shit. I don't want to buy trash. I'm new to building, so any advice would be cool.

>>59174453
>current year
>4GB RAM
No... just no. This is better, $5 over budget shouldn't hurt: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WqGq9W

>>59174566
460 is a low settings card for 1080p. And its not going to keep up with modern games even on low. So it also depends on what youre going to be playing

>>59174579
I hope it was Ryzen

>>59174452

technically, more liquid = better cooling. more liquid can soak up more heat.

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>all these $2-3K consumer Z builds

This shit is 2ez honestly YGSIU.

But seriously, you guys should
>wait for Ryzen

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bdK3BP
Wait for Vega and 4K HDR monitors obvs.

>>59174647
i see. the main games i would be playing would be jRPG (final fantasy, tales, etc.), dolphin (particularly melee netplay), some fps such as counterstrike or overwatch, fighting games (GG and marvel when it comes out). im not that interested in open world games (witcher/assassin's creed/etc).

is it worth upgrading to the graphics card >>59174646 suggested then? i'm willing to stretch my budget a bit if it's necessary (up to $500)

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>>59174705
Kek, no.

>>59174768
yeah >>59174646 is better price/performance wise

>>59174768
>is it worth upgrading to the graphics card >>59174646 (You) suggested then? i'm willing to stretch my budget a bit if it's necessary (up to $500)
Absolutely. RX460 is imho such a shit card, it's only an option if you're really.. really poor or some other use cases. The RX470 is the best match for the G4560 and fits in your $450 budget.
If you can go up to $500 you could add a cheap $120 SSD for OS and maybe some applications or improve general build quality.

>>59174205
>Do you have any builds that include those parts? No idea what to pair up with anything, sadly.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GJYghq

Add in the GPU of your choice. RX480, 1070, 1080, whatever. It might choke them in some games but it's perfectly adequette for 60fps and since you guys have such shit budgets you can just upgrade the CPU and motherboard later while getting a decent GPU now.

For $414 is includes a
-480GB reliable model of SSD
-8GB stick of decent memory to upgrade later.
-Decent PSU (Yes, Rosewill are actually decent. Though I did buy a Seasonic M12II 620W for $43 last week. That's $12 cheaper and better)
Choose your own case.

Here you can later replace the motherboard and CPU with Ryzen or whatever when you can afford 8 threads or better and you only lose $100.

>>59174855
i'll go with that build then. thanks a lot!

Should I pull the trigger on a used Intel Xeon E3 1225 v3 + Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2H + 8GB RAM for 190€?

I would still have to buy a CPU cooler, HDD, graphics card and power supply. I want to do some light photo+video editing and some gaming. How good does the CPU hold up today? What gaming performance can I expect? Is it good value for money considering I could get a used R9 290 for 140€ and thus the whole system would cost less than 500€?

>>59174885
Many thanks, anon!

>>59174647
>>59174855
>>59174995
This is bullshit. A $350 APU system can play the majority of games at 1080p on low. It's less powerful than a 460.
A 460 will still play them on medium or so.

However, I have seen 470s for around $100. They are mostly 1day only sales. Just put an alert on camelcamelcamel or something.

>>59175198
>$350 APU system
>CSGO and Overwatch
>1080p
Yeah, have fun with that, enjoy counting your frames.

>>59174885
>>59175180
Oh actually I see the M12II 620W is up on there for $48. That's a better buy than the Rosewill.

But yeah, a system like that has $390 left over for a good GPU in a $800 budget. Much better than the i5-7500 and i5-7400 builds people are doing that have both a shitty CPU AND a shitty GPU.
It's better to have a good of either because then you can stagger upgrades to make it easier on your budget and more cost effective, not mediocre of both.
You could even simply get a Fury X. They're down around $250 now.

It'll get cpu choked past 60fps in some games, but it's good enough while you save to upgrade the motherboard and CPU while all the other parts are great and worth keeping then.
G4560 are probably going to have good resell value, too, since Ryzen won't really buttfuck them like the i3s and i5s.

>>59168985
Can't you get a 7700K for $40 more? Seems like a reasonable upgrade, they use the same socket

>>59175279
The A10-7870k gets over 50 fps in Dota2 so why wouldn't it do Dota2 or CSGO fine?