/cyb/ - The Cyberpunk General

>>59130229
thank you kindly

>>59130031
>https://wiki.installgentoo.com/Cyberpunk
this link is dead, the new link is :
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Cyberpunk

>>>/lainchan/

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>>59130031
/g/tards, let's create some /cyb related project in order to bring something in our dystopian future. What's your idea?

>>59130869
I'm running a cyberpunk-oriented GNUsocial instance that'd be nice to add some plugins for.

https://unsafe.space/

Going to be switching to postActiv soon, check out the progress on that here:

https://gitgud.io/unsafe-space/postActiv

Any ideas? I already have it in mind to enable parsing posts with greentext and redtext using one.

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What are you working on?

Want to make a """"userfriendly"""" ntap with some soc. Currently in the planning stage for hardware and software solutions I'm going to use. Maybe I'll hook it up to a small dedicated display so it's convenient to get a look at net act. even if you're not in front of another screen

Also, modding an ishit video 5G (which has decent internals) with new Chinese parts, free firmware, and solid stage storage. The Chinese hardware market is a thing of true beauty.

What are you reading?
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Remember to stay productive. Don't get lost in the modern addiction of low grade mindless media consumption

>>59132023
>Don't get lost in the modern addiction of low grade mindless media consumption
what you mean like your pathetic 'cyberpunk' hobby?

>>59132059
I think my hobby is a better use of my time than digesting the brain cancer that is most modern media

We can argue about opinions all day though. The majority of this board is /v/ so I'm sure this thread isn't the popular hobby on this board.

>>59132023
>Remember to stay productive. Don't get lost in the modern addiction of low grade mindless media consumption
but I already am lost

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>>59132148
we all are

the key is to just keep moving forward and not getting stuck in a loop

eventually you will get somewhere

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>he doesn't live the cyber life on a daily basis
Pic related, my last descent in the forbidden catacombs of Paris. Used to go every weeks.

>>59132023
>What are you reading?
catching up on 2600

>>59132148
>but I already am lost
we all are

>>59132208
>he doesn't leave dead drop usbs in the eyes of the skulls

>>59131758
is gnusocial like twitter but less botnet?

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>>59132317
I mean I could yeah, but the humidity will kill them
Pic also related, but older

>>59132208
My city's undergrounds and catacombs are locked down and considered an emergency bomb shelter protected by government.

>>59132382
Yes, it's based on the oStatus protocol.

https://www.w3.org/community/ostatus/

>>59132456
My city doesn't have creepy catacombs filled with bones.

We have a modern sewer system.

>public unix systems / BBSes
SDF.org needs shekels to upgrade the last of their servers from CentOS 6 to NETBSD 7. If you don't have a shell there you should. Email [email protected] for verification and link this thread to get verified if you do sign up.
>cyberdecks
Copperhead OS is a FOSS Android ROM that uses IOMMU fencing to prevent the baseband from messing with your system without your consent. I highly recommend it if you're security sensitive.
At the application layer there's a ticket open to add an x2go client to Termux for fast remote X desktops on Android. If you're good with Debian packaging consider lending a hand.

>>59132648
The Paris sewer system is also modern, the catacombs are in fact 300km of old carriers with only to places with bones, 26 meters deep down the surface.

>>59132716
quarries*

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>>59132059

>your learning is a pathetic hobby!
>go out and see the latest movie goy!
>spend spend spend!

Funny thing is, most media and "entertainment" fucking bores me to death. I'm with this guy >>59132023 on doing something productive.

>>59132233

2600 has turned from a mediocore hacker magazine to the rantings of a kike child molestor who thinks his readers actually care about his hippie rantings about the government.

>>59132947
desu it's really just the first 2 pages that feature his ramble about social commentary or whatever, the rest is fine.
Unless you're one of those people that automatically hates the whole thing because the guy who runs it doesn't like trump. then, like, i get it, but i think you're maybe being too absolutist

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>>59130031
Bumping

>>59132023
>tfw I didn't code anything for almost 3 months cause I was playing vidya

>>59132934
What is that scheme anon?

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Cyberpunk only appeals to brainlets that couldn't make it in corporate setting, or mechanic shops.


>>59132023
Why would you bother buying parts unless you're trying to make something extremely customized. There is already a ton of decent consumer hardware around that can be re-used/re-purposed for cheaper than building something brand new.
You probably won't get laid by girls having old planned obsolescent tech and re purposing it but you wouldn't get laid even building it yourself either.

>>59135402
try being more subtle

>>59135457
What you mean be subtle like saying cyberpunk is a unique genre rather than generic sci-fi.. generic yarn which doesn't really have any definition anyone can agree on.

>>59132059
>>59132023
The most cyberpunk <<hobby>> possible today would be to engineer mind viruses for social media.

>>59135622
you mean marketing

>>59135646
I mean a thing that overlaps with marketing and trolling but is neither a subset nor a superset of either.

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>>59135622
>most cyberpunk hobby
>not being a punk

>>59135723
what makes you think marketing has boundaries that differentiates it from trolling?
Marketing especially in a cosnumertard nation like Burgerland has the nastiest psych manipulation involved

>>59135741
The punks, to the extent they were featured at all in the cyberpunk classics, were never the central characters. The cyberpunk protagonist is a man who stands just one step above the crowd. An outlaw with an incomplete picture of the world who is far from the top, but still smarter and more aware than the average nobody. Wanting to be a cyberpunk punk is like wanting to be an NPC. If you lack the ambition and/or the ability necessary to join the likes of the Tessier-Ashpools in the orbit, at least aspire to be the cowboy.

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>>59135909
What are you talking about?
The cyberpunk protagonist is a power fantasy for nerds who think they're better than the average person without having any real skills but get a duex ex machina to save their ass whenever real trouble happens, probably in the form of some technology. We're all NPC's from someone elses perspective, especially in real life, we only seem like the protagonist to ourselves.
You might not make it up to the Tessier-Ashpools but that doesn't mean I'm not going to.

>>59135402
Hi-tech, low-life

>>59135808
I did not say that marketing and trolling didn't themselves overlap. My phrasing only suggested that there was marketing that wasn't trolling and trolling that wasn't marketing.

As for consumerism, it is currently overcriticized. Marketing for consumer products is benign next to the marketing for values, regimes and social norms. That is the nasty stuff.

>>59135052

Scheme? I don't follow. The program is Eagle, but I have been getting into Fritzing now.

>>59135622
>engineer mind viruses for social media
>fake news is literally viruses for manipulating emotional normies

>>59136210
>next to the marketing for values, regimes and social norms.
The only value in America is money
Everything else is just a front for it
Money is the root of all the value campaigns because it determines where the market will move

Values, social norms, all that other bullshit. These things don't exist in their own vacuum with separate marketing schemes

>>59135402
>Cyberpunk only appeals to brainlets that couldn't make it in corporate setting, or mechanic shops.
>time for muh meta snowflake opinions without contributing anything of value to the discussion

At least you're bumping the tread

>>59136068
>The cyberpunk protagonist is a power fantasy
Later (post)cyberpunk fiction and video games and other media that borrow elements from cyberpunk are often nerd power fantasies (The Matrix is a classic example), but the protagonists of Gibson and co. in their prime aren't. Who really wants to be Case, except maybe when he finally gets to fuck Molly? They are losers in their societies (the "low life" of "high tech, low life"). They are regularly confronted by characters who are cooler, stronger, smarter than themselves. The reader may envy some of the cool stuff they get to do, but not who they are, which is an essential distinction.
>We're all NPC's from someone elses perspective, especially in real life, we only seem like the protagonist to ourselves.
If you're saying this as a counterpoint to what I said about aspiring to be an NPC, it is unnecessary. I was merely pointing out that the most cyberpunk hobby should be more like the central elements in cyberpunk fiction rather than the background elements.
>What are you talking about?
The kind of ethos you can derive from cyberpunk literature.
>You might not make it up to the Tessier-Ashpools but that doesn't mean I'm not going to.
I didn't say anything about you or me in particular.

While we're on the subject of power fantasies, you do realize that posting something like this is engaging in a nerd power fantasy one-sided roleplay? That is the case even if are right about both of us.

>>59132023
what do you plan on using to monitor the traffic

>>59137127
>The only value in America is money
You haven't been paying attention, or worse, have overdosed on Chomsky and anticapitalism. The US government has been burning money for the sake of world domination for a very long time. In our world, unlike most cyberpunk, are not the most important force in world politics.

>>59137410
>corporations are not the most important force in world politics

>>59137410
I was speaking about money on the level of corporations and related marketing efforts

I wasn't talking about the general state of money as part of a societal role or the goals of the government that prints and pumps it for their own ends

>>59137481
Well, let me tell you, the value campaigners aren't chasing for money, they are chasing for status and power (all distinct things). It's how you get creationists and SJWs: some of them profit off of it, but they aren't in it primarily for the money.

This is getting too /pol/, though, and we must cease. If you are interested in these things, I can recommend http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/09/general-theory-of-corruption.html.

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>>59137161
>While we're on the subject of power fantasies, you do realize that posting something like this is engaging in a nerd power fantasy one-sided roleplay?
Of course I do. Have you considered I just have an abrasive personality.

The matrix did a lot of cyberpunk stuff well. It really wasn't up till the second and third ones it basically turned into a generic action flick/power fantasy. The first movie had a great cyberpunk to it really the entire series could of just ended at the first movie and it would of been an excellent scifi/cyberpunk film [spoiler]Not to mention the conclusion wouldn't of been any different than the 3rd movie, there was no real conclusion, just kind of drug it out and watered it down[/spoiler].

>>59137161
>The kind of ethos you can derive from cyberpunk literature.
What ethos most people just want to be like the street hustlers except they think it's more sophisticated adding a layer of tech
>>59135622
like this, basically is just for some petty con/scam, people read cyberpunk and take away an ethos of doing shit for money and thinking they're tech savvy going online trying to 'avoid the botnet' and scream about jews as if they're blowing their cover identity as if they were running some nigerian prince scam instead of just shitting up the net with their stupid supremacy crap that they are indoctrinated with.

>>59137825
ofcourse money and power interrelate and everyone is chasing power to some extent because at the end of the day money is just fancy paper with no backbone
Like you said though, I won't keep pushing this conversation before it slides the whole thread (

Will look at the link, thanks

>>59130031
>using old sticky
I shiggy diggy
http://pastebin.com/uQ8bPqDB

>>59130031
>Healthy reminder that cyberpunk is now
True
>and that one should start living it instead of fantasizing like some cyberhipster
We don't really have much of a choice. The only question is if people realise how things ended up (the few) or simply don't care )the vast majority).

>>59130031
Did you forget the new paste?
http://pastebin.com/GAMmimeQ

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http://driveradio.be/radioplayer/

>>59135402
>Cyberpunk only appeals to brainlets that couldn't make it in corporate setting
Someone hasn't followed with the times.
https://youtu.be/6Cf7IL_eZ38

>>59130403
>https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Cyberpunk
A bit weird, isn't it, that a wiki used by an anonymous message board requires logging in. And /cyb/ and registering? That makes even less sense.

Looking through http://cyberlife.unsafe.space/ seems to have fallen off the net..

>>59144610
all the gui
we gui now
wouldn't it be great if this had a gui? im looking at this thing and it doesn't have a gui. I think it needs a gui. a gui can fit on this thing and then it'll have a gui. what am i going to do without a gui on this thing that could have a gui, i don't even care about the finger prints all over this gui. it's a gui im not worried about sanitation from peoples fingers and dirty hands being all over it because i need gui.

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Who /Anno 2070/ here?

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>>59146300
2017 is looking good already.

How about TRON as a representation of Cyberspace?

>>59132716
>only two places with bones
nice mindset you got there anon

We are going down to page 10 - again! Is there so little interest?

OP, did you add the alt.cyberpunk link?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.cyberpunk

Bump for interest

>>59146300
I am not buying that scenario. Emissions are just a waste people soon cannot afford. Smoke belongs to Victorian steam punk scenarios, not 2017. Also most open surfaces will probably be covered in solar panels since fusion power will remain 30 years into the future.

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>>59153788
I agree with you
But actually it's a computer game
You can choose between two fractions to play
>Eden Inititative (Eco friendly, human and green) (also pic related)
>Global Trust (Globalistic, capitalistic and grey)

This fish-like Aircraft you can see in my previous post is a building you can actually use in the game
It filters the air

>>59153886
Interesting.

I'll follow up more tomorrow, night is coming here in Europe.

Just leaving you with a big question, what will society look like when huans need not apply?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
An artist based society perhaps?

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>>59153952
>night is coming here in Europe.
I'm also from Europe

The video you posted is very interesting
I'm a computer science student myself
I think we will hit the point were humans and technology will fuse together to improve the fragile and mortal human body as well as the brain
Of course we will need fewer human workforce in the future but i really hope that technology will always be the human's friend and helper

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>>59144610
>https://youtu.be/6Cf7IL_eZ38
>we still cook and prepare food by hand in the future
>the only difference between that future and the present is that there's a fuckton of touchscreen tvs built into everything

I want the future we were promised

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is there an alternative secure OS for the LG V20 phone like copperhead OS is for google phones?

>>59156242
No, but you can root it now

http://127.0.0.1:8888/USK@yET8IzHqEXMLhzIJuIl1aO7aXx0tPEzh4JldQXx5las,xc1XLpeP9QiE1br5En~HcfwraeugGEwEc5TBKTjkjgE,AQACAAE/YAFI/88/

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>>59156267
is it less safe than copperhead OS? what am i missing out on guys?

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Post your battlestation /cyb/

>>59156884
stop posting your pizza links

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>>59156884

>>59157277
Thats a freenet link you retard
And using Chrome to look it up is asking to get v&

>>59156884
hacked :^)

>>59157310
looks like a directory. should i be using a vpn?

>>59157411
Just setup Freenet and use Firefux and you should be fine

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>>59157511
so who am i connecting to?

>>59157876
https://freenetproject.org/documentation.html#understand
Some people claim it to be more secure than Tor

>>59157263
not pizza, an index

>>59158144
If thats the same fucking link from last thread its an index with pizza links

>>59158234
open the freesite, nothing on it is illegal.

Last thread was about deepweb links 90% was Tor crap. and a bit of a discussion about freenet.

>tfw working at a cyber security company

Am I Elliot yet

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>>59158345
That depends. Are you running Gnome?

>>59158382
Actually yes

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>>59158475
I'm more of a KDE guy myself. I guess old habits die hard

>>59132148
as am i anon, as am i.....

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Pic related is from a motion simulator company, it was one of the coolest things I tried at the CES. They showed it off with some kind of cyberpunk thing called "Volt: Chain City" where I rode a hover bike. It actually almost felt like I was riding a real hover bike around especially as they had fans simulating wind along with motion.

>>59148226
Ah yes, wow, I was there and saw that drone, and it's like I can remember it like yesterday. Too bad it wasn't operating.

>>59149747
Hi I'm an expert in immersive technology (currently VR for the most part). Not like that means anything here I guess. But the metaverse (what you just called cyberspace) will not have any one definite look. There will be a certain look to the default VR GUI and environment like how Windows looks at default, but you'll be able to customize. In addition, there will be different operating systems which will come with different "home" environments. So for example, Microsoft could decide to go for a Tron style default environment, but Apple could go for a realistic ancient Roman style environment. In fact, Oculus, Valve, HTC, Google, and Sony all already have released VR platforms with "home" environments with unique looks to them. They're just not OS interfaces, and they're not integrated with the metaverse.

https://laintracker.org/login.php

>>59158818
>Hi I'm an expert in immersive technology (currently VR for the most part). Not like that means anything here I guess. But the metaverse (what you just called cyberspace) will not have any one definite look. There will be a certain look to the default VR GUI and environment like how Windows looks at default, but you'll be able to customize. In addition, there will be different operating systems which will come with different "home" environments. So for example, Microsoft could decide to go for a Tron style default environment, but Apple could go for a realistic ancient Roman style environment. In fact, Oculus, Valve, HTC, Google, and Sony all already have released VR platforms with "home" environments with unique looks to them. They're just not OS interfaces, and they're not integrated with the metaverse.
Tell us about the porn websites
I remember back in the early 2000's getting a naked dancing chic pop up program installed above my tool bar/clock was magical 3d wouldn't be that bad except it's going to take a back seat. There is no way you're going to have a custom cool looking gui. It's going to turn into a malware advertisement system. Especially the default ones. It'll turn into some scam like pay us to disable "some of it" which is just the default shit which people complain the most about and replaces it in a spot they're less likely to complain about.

>>59159059
I'm on EMP, there some decent VR porn leaked. Even with google cardboard it's great.

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>>59159059
>Tell us about the porn websites

They're developing at a decent pace. There's some interesting stuff people are making. But it's not developing as fast as some people thought given the "porn is the driver for tech" idea (it's not that simple).

>There is no way you're going to have a custom cool looking gui.

I find that somewhat pessimistic given trends in the market right now. Yes, there are proprietary solutions making way but there are also more open solutions out there. There is a good chance that we will be able to do a lot of customization for our interface. Like with Steam VR right now, you can change your environment and have skins for various things, and some of the code is open source. At GDC, many of the major companies (barring Microsoft), are working with Khronos (of OpenGL and Vulkan fame) on truly open standards for VR. Even Sony is on the team. Perhaps in some way, they're preparing to fight against Microsoft. We need to be prepared if/when that time comes.

So whats Halting State like?

>>59159256
>They're developing at a decent pace. There's some interesting stuff people are making. But it's not developing as fast as some people thought given the "porn is the driver for tech" idea (it's not that simple).
It's rather pathetic people think VR is just for porn and video games. It'll be an amazing education tool if done right. Assuming automation doesn't make education pointless between more robots/less jobs, college degree being the new high school diploma to get a min wage job like people have been predicting is going to happen for years now.

>I find that somewhat pessimistic given trends in the market right now.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Marketers will never change for the better, I think it's pessimistic to think they wouldn't do things real malware does like pay us to uninstall this type of programs, look at anti ad block software it's really not that far off from that in usage.

>>59132023
>What are you working on?
A knowledge management system. It is hard. People will talk about the topic at great length without saying much you can actually use.

At the same time there is a lot of knowledge around that are like jigsaw pieces waiting to be put together for a new picture.

>>59158818
>But the metaverse (what you just called cyberspace) will not have any one definite look.
Probably true. Then again there will most likely be conventions so that people get up to speed. Just like for web sites there are unwritten rules about where the "about" and "search" should go.

I think it is reasonable to expect shared virtual worlds will start out wildly differently and then coalesce around some conventions. It just makes business sense to make it easier to bring new people on board, paying customers.

Also to be useful it has to be useful and more than an accurate representation of, say, a desk where things are so well simulated that you can lose a sheet between the drawers. Information density would probably be very high and increasing to what can be handled.

>>59132023
Pic looks fun, but for the effort and cost of Pi Zero's it'd probably be better to open up the schematics for an orange pi of choice in eagle, reduce them to core components, and duplicate the fuck out of them on a single PCB.
Or make the smallest possible board with just SOC and RAM, no vregs or anything, only one sided, and with edge connectors, then mount them all on a baseboard that could be massive but not need fine tolerances.

>>59159400
I am fully expecting VR and AR to revolutionize education at some point. However with the way public institutions at least in the US are right now, it's going to be a very long road, unless someone swoops in and develops something themselves, or some other massive shift in the system happens first, like you suggest.

>Marketers will never change for the better, I think it's pessimistic to think they wouldn't do things real malware does like pay us to uninstall this type of programs, look at anti ad block software it's really not that far off from that in usage.

Of course, there will always be shitty practices happening as long as the market keeps operating as it does, but there should still always be open alternatives that are widely supported. In fact I'd say it's even more likely that we'll see good open solutions in the metaverse given that people are especially sensitive to what it is and what it can do to us. There is a great responsibility that comes with developing for the metaverse, as it has so much more potential for abuse than any other platform. We've known this for a long time. The people driving the innovation have known this. You may not have faith that many of them will respect that responsibility, but believe me, many will, if not because we as users actually won't stand for it if they don't. Because the kind of violations that can happen in the metaverse are far more impacting than you might expect people could tolerate, even if they're not the kind that kills you in real life when you die in the game.

There are some studies out there, and other material, about what immersive technology can do, and about what problems can happen with the metaverse. I actually wrote a small essay about this too some time ago. I'm quite confident people will become aware when the time comes, and action will be taken, otherwise it would be far too unsafe. BUT there is going to be subtle and dangerous things we won't be able to control.

>>59159799
>Probably true. Then again there will most likely be conventions so that people get up to speed. Just like for web sites there are unwritten rules about where the "about" and "search" should go.

This kind of thing of thing is already happening. People are already developing different things and coming about conventions. We can already see a lot of similarities in how UI is being handled for different applications out there right now.

Similar things are already happening and can be observed by us with your second and third points too. There are a lot of applications released already for VR that in some way tackles shared virtual spaces at the very least.

I can also guarantee you that AI, voice recognition, eye tracking, and "intention solving", will play a big role in how we efficiently do things in VR in the future (not too far off but not too soon either, it'll take some time).

>>59159918
>There are some studies out there, and other material, about what immersive technology can do, and about what problems can happen with the metaverse. I actually wrote a small essay about this too some time ago. I'm quite confident people will become aware when the time comes, and action will be taken, otherwise it would be far too unsafe. BUT there is going to be subtle and dangerous things we won't be able to control.
Have you got a blog, or such hosting it?
I don't really see much danger from VR since it's regarded as a 3d movie somewhat. Most consumers vocally insist don't want to see it in 3d but studios will do it to charge a bit extra for the ticket, and a large portion of the film is likely just computer generated anyway. Although I never thought of it before it could be very much like the holodeck from Star Trek in an interactive way which would be rather amazing.

I really doubt people have as much influence as you think they do.

>>59159918
>I am fully expecting VR and AR to revolutionize education at some point.
Education needs a major overhaul if we are to get much further, as the knowledge event horizon is not far off. Most of the low hanging fruits are already picked. And you need more and more knowledge to gain genuinely new knowledge, until you are so old when you have gained your knowledge platform height that you are too old or even retired.

Class room teaching today with no adaption to each pupil is just sheer terror for a lot of the pupils.

>>59159070
That reminds me, there were a few examples of Cyberpunk pr0n mentioned earlier though there was very little discussions. Perhaps everyone agreed?

>>59158502
>I'm more of a KDE guy myself.
Not him but I agree. Looks tidier. I am just hoping the developers reverse their path into the weeds. Kmail has a lot of interesting features like mail annotation that I cannot see anyone else has. Problem is, Kmail itself is a hive of bugs and villainy - we must be cautious.

>>59148226
>shit we should've had in the 90's

>>59162934
Cyberpunk pr0n is all fetish cosplay

It's really probably a disservice to whoever made the program I was talking about. It was an impressive 3d display especially for hardware of the time. I wish I would of had enough of a brain to save the program and burn it to a disc. Just with it being a time where floppies were nearly never seen, hard disks were getting rare, I thought my dvd discs were just memes that were going to get replaced. Had no idea they'd have so much staying power.

>>59166534
>Cyberpunk pr0n is all fetish cosplay
I cannot remember any cosplay in Eudeamon. Latex yes, and fetish sure though a bit less than first expected. And the images were made by others later on.

And IKU was inspired rather by Blade Runner.

The tech files must be rather old. Few had any dates and some that had were from 2014. There was a critical lack of infrared tech, especially thermal infrared. When this >>59149933 is available for all it should have a place in any cyberpunk tech library.

BTW I got a Seek Thermal camera. Cheap and cheerful, and also quite useful.

>>59154456
>I want the future we were promised
>>59164978
>shit we should've had in the 90's

In short: where is my jet pack!?

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>>58426556 (Dead)
I read this in the archives
>portable piratebox with battery packs
>zsun sd card reader and battery packs as dead drops
>portable hardkernel micro pc with at least 4 SDR and understand everything about SDR and has battery packs and solar chargers.
How would I set up a cheap piratebox? Would running it on a zsun be viable just to play around and broadcast in the library or campus when I study or have classes?
Also, what would the third item be used for (hardkernel pc with 4 SDR)? I've done a little research into SDRs just now and it seems it would be useful to pick up a variety of communication signals. But why 4?