/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

To anon seeking information on T430 screen mod, see the thinkwiki

Pro tip; if you order a Thinkpad from Lenovo and it misses its first ship date, you're entitled to a 5% discount. All you have to do is chat with customer support

Just ordered a 50$ T400 off ebay, feels good.

I want to buy a new thinkpad, which one should i get? linux support is my #1 priority

>>59110945
you won't have any issues with linux with any thinkpad

How much should I pay for a X220 tablet?

The seller asks 220.

Has8GB of ram, a SSD and a i5-2520M.

yo any anons with a w500 around? how do you rate them?

I want a ThinkPad with:
>Good battery
>Pretty screen with good colours, 1080p at worst. Don't care about anything higher. 16:9 preferably, other ar is ok
>11-14 inch screen, on the small side, not too bulky but with good build
>discrete gpu for gaymes, only indie mostly. Is csgo doable at 60fps on potato settings?
>Best possible CPU without massive bulk (doesn't need to be amazing, just good enough for gaymes and not compiling ridiculously slowly)
(Top preferences are most important)
What ThinkPad is best for fulfilling all these? Are there any with a good 1080p screen out of the box? I don't care about budget and how much stuff I have to replace. I want the ultimate ThinkPad in a small form factor, but don't want hunting for parts to be an ordeal (Australia)

>>59111584
I know just the place for you to look mate.
http://www3.lenovo.com/au/en/

So I got an x230, installed arch with cinnamon, any good power management softwares? Also should I keep it plugged in at night?

>>59111609
>Nu-thinkpads
Don't they have abysmal build quality compared to the old ones? As well as generally being shit and overpriced, with screens as bad as ever? As well as preinstalled botnet

>>59111628
The build quality is what you'd expect from a high end laptop, it just isn't what it used to be. The screens are the biggest improvement on new models and you'll need to go for a **40 series or later (like the T440s) if you want a FHD screen out of the box on a 14" or smaller.

If you're looking at second hand options then off the top of my head, the cheapest models that just werk with FHD or better are the X250, T450s (I'm not sure if it was a standard option on the T450) and the X1 Carbon. Prices in Australia for newer shit can be shit so good luck, you'll either have to lurk ebay for second hand shit for a while, or get something from the US instead.

>>59111628

This is what /g/ does to you.

>>59111621
>any good power management softwares
A good start would be using a desktop environment that can run without a compositor.
See also:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Laptop

Charging overnight is fine if you actually need it fully charged for the next day or something. Just read up on how lithium batteries work or something so you can figure out what wears them down and make sure you're getting good value out of it and not just wear it down using i as a desktop that never moves anyway.

>>59111628

You won't find any stock "older"(T/X 4/230 or below) Thinkpads that fit your requirements. You won't start seeing 1080p displays on 14" or lower until the 40 series thinkpads, and that's when Lenovo really shit the bed. If you want an older Thinkpad that has a 1080p display that can play CSGO at decent settings you'll need to go big and get a w520 with a quadro.

>>59111584
>Wants to play gaymes on a business laptop
>Not just that, but a used 6 year old laptop
/g/ lmao

>>59111995
good advice, thanks anon.

>>59111584
>ultimate ThinkPad in a small form factor
No such thing.

To fit everything in description you'll need at least a W510 with a 9 cell battery. It's cheap as hell but weights 8lbs.

>>59111089
That's nice. I couldn't get a normal X220 with those specs for less than 260€.

>>59111584
T470

>>59111628
No that's a really bad meme. Oy the *40 series were really bad

>>59112293
You could also get a W530 with a 9 cell. Better performance and under 6 lb.

Is it worth it to get a X220 or X230 as a drawing tablet?

Not anything serious, but I would like that.

Also, do either versions come in FHD? All I've seen is 1366x768.

>>59112704
No but the tablets all have IPS displays which is nice

I have a Thinkpad T410 with Arch/Win7 on it, $65 with docking station and recovery disks. One of the best purchases I've made, I love this thing. I bought a /csg/ battery for $20 to make it portable and I'm very happy with that decision.

One thing I'm curious about: anyone have suggestions for making the volume buttons work? I know I could just add them via keybindings to i3, but that's assuming their keynumbers (because Arch can't seem to detect them; then again I haven't tried too hard) and I'm wondering if anyone else has encountered similar issues.

Why Lenovo doesn't make those anymore?

Dell Latitude E5570 vs Lenovo Thinkpad L560

Budget is ~1k euro.
HP is not an option - I want a laptop, not a piece of shit.

Main uses:
Media, soft dev

>>59113004
Why not the T560?

Also there's nothing wrong with higher grade HP laptops

>>59113067
T560 is too expensive.

We use HP 650 probooks at work. Many complaints about not working keyboard buttons, motherboard failures and heating problems.
Also I had ordered an envy laptop from hp store a month ago. Screen was already fucked up when I first turned it on. Got a refund.

>>59113096
Take a look at HP Envy x360, they're pretty good and solid.

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>order an x220 properly specced from ebay
>takes 2 weeks to arrive
>2 days after shipping I realize there's a store nearby that sells them for the same fucking price

would a T560 be overkill for my shitty indie game dev?

>>59110698
deal or not

https://www.dellrefurbished.com/laptops/dell-latitude-e6530-39094.html

>>59103772
>>59104775
I got another deal that is

>X230
>i5-3320M
>4GB RAM
>120 GB SSD
12,5" 1366x768 IPS
>iGPU

vs.

>T410
>i5 620M
>4GB RAM
>320GB HDD

200€

vs

>T430
>i5 3320M
>128GB SSD
>4 GB
>1366x768
>dock

235€

Which one would be best bang for buck?

>>59113275
i5 620M is a shit-tier CPU.

>>59113227
No. Performance is pretty average.

>>59113275
T410 is too old. Low performance.
T430 has the low res screen. Too expensive.
X230 looks good but you forgot the price.

I got a x230 with:
>i5-3320M
>10GB RAM
>256GB MSATA SSD
>1TERA HDD
>9 CELL AND 6 CELL BATTERY

for 250€ (265$~) it is ok?

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Someone redpill me on the E470


It looks like a good idea
--------
Lenovo ThinkPad E470, 14", i7, 16 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD

- i7 7500U Prozessor 2x 2.70 GHz
- 1920 x 1080 Pixel (Full HD)
- GeForce® 940MX 2GB

For 850 EUR new

This looks like a good deal, right?

Am I missing something?

>>59113587
That's dann amazing for Europe. I paid the same for 4GB RAM and 320GB HDD

>>59113622
Build quality is beyond shit. NEVER buy anything but T, X or W/P series

>>59113716
Damn, is it that bad?

What is so bad about it?

>>59113759
I had to use an E460 at school several times. The keyboard gives in up to 3cm at the center and there are audible cracking noises when you lift your hands from the palmrest. When the laptop is closed you can also press the center of the lid in several cm. The hinges are also pretty low quality. Besides I think they use a lower quality keyboard on the E series. Seriously, you can get an older T series like a T450 for the same price as am E470 and you'll be way happier with it for a longer time.

>>59113885
Ok, but the E model is 16 GB!
i7!
Nvidia graphics!

>>59113987
Yeah you can get an i7 T450 with dGPU for the same price. Maybe only with 4GB or 8GB RAM but that's really a minor problem.

>>59113987
>>59114091
What do you need a dGPU for anyways? Do you want to play games? If yes, don't get a Thinkpad, no matter what model.

What's a good thinkpad that isn't a brick that I can use with an eGPU?

>>59114116
X230 for example. I've seen this thing play GTA5 with an external GPU. But as far as I know you can use any Thinkpad that has Expresscard with eGPU.

t430 is best think

>>59114112
Some light 3d modeling, CAD.

If I wanted to play games, what would you recommend?

>>59113587
That's a really good deal.

I got an x220 with 8GB of RAM + 128GB SSD for 245€ so you can just imagine.

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You'll cowards don't even P50

>>59114173
For games I'd say desktop. If it has to be a laptop you'd be stuck with cheesy "gaming" laptops. You know, gay LEDs, MSI logo with a dragon on it, that sort of shit. I mean, you could theoretically play games on a W or P series Thinkpad but there are more efficient options. By the way if you're doing CAD you might be looking for a W series with NVidia Quadro. Like a W530.

>>59114262
>numblock
no thanks

>>59113519
Could you elaborate on your low performance comment?
I have a T410 with 8gb of RAM and I love this thing to death.

>T450s
>Intel Core i7-5600U
>12GB RAM
>512GB SSD HDD Samsung 850 Pro
>14" 1080p IPS display
>lenovo warranty till 08/18
>both batteries are at ~19Wh out of the 23.20Wh original capacity

what's the most I should pay for this? mind you this is in euroland

>>59114262
Not a coward, just a poorfag

>>59111628
No. That's only /g/ autism.

>>59113519
Is the low res screen the only bad thing about it? I don't mind about it unless it would be 800x600 tier.

The x230 is 220€

>>59114262
>15 inch laptop with numpad
Why.

can someone 3d print a ultrabay for the thinkpad that has various snap in holders for backup computer things like a usb cable, sdcards+sd to usb adapter, mini usb wireless thingy...etc


thanks im just an idea guy

>>59110698
has anyone upgraded their t420 screen to a 1920x1024 ips panel?
how is it so far?
any issues?

>>59114740
Because some people actually work on their laptops.

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>Not having an X230T with 6 cell + slice
>Not having over 56 hours of battery life

Got me an x61 for $50, spent around $35 in upgrades (RAM, HDD, battery). Think I did alright on my first thinkpad.

What BIOS settings should I tinker with?

>>59114962
not having 9 cell + slice

>>59110698
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Laptop-T420s-14-i5-2-5GHz-4GB-320GB-HDD-Windows-10-DVDRW-Office/282367916722

thoughts?

>>59114962
>56 hours of battery life
You're metally retarded if you really believe this piece of shit sublaptop can work on battery power for 56 hours. Maybe with 0% CPU usage in deepest C-state, 0% GPU usage, sleeping all drives, disabled/non-functional wifi and turned off screen.

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>>59114962
>1366x768
>lelnopevovo wallpaper

>>59114733
Pretty much. The TN panel isn't nice. The IPS option is good though. 1366x768 is OK for me. Vertical space is limited so I keep my task bar on the left and browse the web in full screen.
If course, on the X series you won't get a dGPU option and the CPU is not replaceable.

>>59115143
Not him but the resolution is perfect for the size. Any higher res would make text unreadable. And please don't try to convince me of GUI scaling, it's not going to happen. Mac OS is the only OS that works with scaling. Windows and Linux suck in that regard and that's not gonna change for some time.

>>59114962
Well I guess you have to recalibrate your battery. Realisticly speaking you should get around 15-18 hours

Shipping:
ThinkPad X260
Part #: 20F6CTR1WW (20F6CTR1WW-PC0H6LBT)

Status:
Processing

Qty:
1

Price:
$808.07
• Intel® Core™ i7-6600U Processor(4M Cache, up to 3.40 GHz)
• Windows 10 Pro 64
• 12.5" FHD (1920 x 1080) LED, IPS display w/720p HD Camera
• Intel® HD Graphics 520
• 16GB DDR4 2133 SoDIMM Memory
• 500GB, 7200RPM Serial ATA 2.5" Hard Drive
• No Optical Included
• Integrated Wireless WAN: Sierra wireless
• Bluetooth
• 1 Year Standard Depot Warranty
• UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint Reader
• Integrated 3-cell (23.2Wh) plus External 6-cell Lithium Ion (72Wh) up to 16.8 hr


How'd I do?

>>59115406
Well you got a shitty Ultrabook CPU and you're gonna get cucked by Microsoft. Good job.

>>59115423
>you're gonna get cucked by Microsoft
lolno

>>59113587

yeah I would go for it but upgrade that RAM asap. if it's got the IPS that's a big plus over the standard display. i have both and it's pretty jarring

>>59115406

this will be $450 on ebay in a year fyi

>>59110945
I'd go with X1 Carbon 4th gen, X260 or T460s.

I haven't tried any of them but since they are last year's models they should have all the quirks sorted out by now. I'm very skeptical of day one Linux support on any laptop and prefer light weight models.

>>59114733
>>59113275
Pretty much what >>59113519 said.

For ergonomic setup with working extended periods on a laptop you'll want to either use external keyboard and a stand or external display so you can put the screen high enough and have the keyboard close enough. Old ThinkPads come with great keyboard and shitty displays so make you should draw some conclusions.

>>59114370
>limited to 8GB ram
>Ironlake GPU
>comfy handwarmer tier power usage
If the T410 was 100€ it could still compete.

>>59115513
yeah i know, but i need a better machine now-- and i hope this will last 2-3 years until i get done with school...

Just picked up an x220 (i5, 4GB) for £105 from ebay. I ordered the equipment (i forget the name of the clip, and some female jumpers) needed to coreboot him.

>>59115547
So is the x230 even close to being one to choose for 220€?

If the T430 only has screen as a disadvantage, which i don't mind, should i go for it?

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>>59115577
Goddamn. I must be the dumb one around here overpaying for shit on eBay. It's hard being european and poor.

>>59115625
I'd go with the X230 since that's what I have currently (+ eGPU).

>>59115553
>>59115625

well in that case I'd probably go for the T430 if you already have a decent monitor. the x230 IPS is pretty good except the ghosting though. depends on your docked/mobile ratio too

What can I do about screen tearing on my x230t? It's pretty bad (at least on Lubuntu)

>>59115915
compton

>>59115655

Auctions are where it's at. I spent about a month waiting for a good deal. I missed a few.

>>59116460

if you're obsessive you can catch a buy it now steal in a week or two

Recently upgraded the processor in my T61 to a T9500 from a T8300, shocked how much faster 6MB of L2 cache makes it.

Anyone added a Bluray drive to a T61?

>>59116556
Don't really see the point with a TFT panel and only VGA out; Blu ray won't play in powerdvd unless you use HDMI

>>59116556
I connected one via USB once. It was able to play BluRay (on the internal screen only because it has no dogital out) but with a LOT of buffering because USB 2 and shit. There's no use, trust me. If you want HD video on a T61 for some reason, rip your BluRays and put them on a USB stick.

Bought this X220, did I get ripped off?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834331859

I am hoping to install more ram, and maybe a ssd instead of the hdd inside. Thoughts anyone? This is my first thinkpad and I don't trust ebay.

>>59116671
>C-grade
Well, that's why it's cheap. Condition is gonna be terrible.

Set notications for new buy it now listings under a certain amount and snatch it up when you see a good one. Got my x230 for $100 w/ 8gb ram and 300gb hdd. Good condition too.

>>59114262
>>59114290
The off center trackpoint/pad/keyboard really killed it for me.

w530 with i7 3720QM, Quadro K1000M, 4GB ram, 320GB HDD and (sadly) 1600 x 900p. 350 usd, should I?

>>59111584
T460s with WQHD(~98% sRGB).
ULV CPU but capped at 25W instead of 15

My T420 battery is dying (now 33% capacity).

I'd like to get a 90++ battery, some anon suggested looking on eBay, but there are none on the UK ebay. Any suggestions?

>>59116833
I think it's overpriced since it's doesn't have FHD display nor maxed out GPU, the ram is low and the HDD sucks.

Only thing it has going on is the i7-3720QM but that isn't enough to justify the price.

>>59110945
>new thinkpad
>linux support is #1 priority
Nice meme

>>59114262
eh, I have a workstation for that

it's a great laptop, the least fucked up from modern line

X line for loif though

I haven't ever bought a thinkpad, but I'm considering it.

Now I've been looking at some models and the price range I'm looking at (around 1000) always had models with either i5, 500gb hdd or i7, 256gb ssd. I really would prefer the processing power (i'm using it for relatively intense scientific computing from time to time) but I'm not sure if the ssd is a meme?

A big concern is also the lifetime. What is the lifetime of using an SSD? previously i only used a laptop with the OS on a 24gb SSD and files on a HDD.

>>59117379
Yea, I don't really mind ram or hdd/ssd as i have the 32gb and hdd/ssds for the machine, but not having 1080p and K2000m is the problem :/ i can't find any better tho, would be better if I go for a w520?

Recently went from a T400 to X230. I was hesitant because of the new keyboard but I'm extremely happy with it. Typing feel is still great and the keyboard has much less flex than on the T400. Build quality is certainly a lot better. The new layout doesn't bother me that much. I'd like to have the brightness function keys somewhere more destinctive though. Having them on F7 and F8 isn't optimal if you can't feel them in the dark.

>inb4 backlight or thinklight

fyi I have a backlit keyboard that has been professionally converted to my local layout. Basically it's been painted over so the backlight doesn't illuminate the letters, only the borders of the keys. sadly, the paint they used makes the keyboard somewhat reflective so the thinklight doesn't make it any more useable either

Does anyone know if the qx9300 will work in a w500? the chipset supports it, and the tdp is only 10w higher than the normal highest spec cpu

>>59118104
Swapping the screen is super easy.

Pop off screen bezel
Undo 3 bezel screws
Undo 4 screws holding the panel to the lid
Undo 4 screws holding the panel itself
Reverse to replace screen

It's super super easy. After the first time you'll be able to legit doing within 5 mins

>>59118200
can vouch for this

>>59118055
Pls respond

>>59118170
I went from X201 to X230 and was very suspicious of the new keyboard at first. In the end the new keyboard had much better feel and was better to type on.

>>59118200
Changing the screen is super easy but you'll need to buy it first. Is it worth it to buy a W530 for $350 and then spend $80 for a display replacement?

Also you'd need to buy an SSD and some ram.

I guess it's ok depending on your financial situation but if you're looking for a bargain >>59116833 isn't it.

About to take the plunge and find an X220t to purchase

anything i should look out for?

W520 500GB HDD 8GB RAM Intel Core i7 2nd Gen nVidia Quadro 1000M Windows 10 Pro & Microsoft Office.

Is this a a good deal for 302$?

>>59118549
does it have the 1080p screen?

>>59118568
Yes

T430S
512 Gb SSD
i5-3320M
8gb ram

for 370 europoors, what do?

>>59118720
Don't buy, it's an S

>>59118436
I guess I'll keep looking, what's the price I should spect if 1080p and K2000M? idc abaout the ram or ssd

thanks anon

Are any of the thinkpad laptops suitable for video editing (while remaining realistically priced)?

>>59118720
For a T430 with these specs but without the S it would be almost reasonable. But just almost. It should go for around 340-340€. I mean, it's a 512GB SSD after all. These still cost a lot.

How is the battery life on the tablet versions of the x220/x230 compared to the non tablet version?

>>59118951
Not considerably worse as far as I can remember from my X220t. Pretty solid. I think they use a different form factor though. So batteries from X220 can't be put in X220t

>>59118868
What's the difference? I'm new to chinkpad buying

>>59118977
Slimmer which is nice but the battery is garbage. Like 2 hours garbage

>>59118977
It doesn't get to use the good batteries because it's made to be thinner than regular T series. You're gonna run around with a charger all day.

>>59118987
>>59118977
>>59119001
Gotta add, the T431s is also the first one to "feature" the new design including the buttonless trackpad. It's basically mixes the worst aspect of T430 and T440 so it's even worse than the T440s

I just got my thinkpad but it didn't have the trackpad. So far it's perfect, but I don't know if I'm missing something worth it. Someone red pill me?

>>59118987
>>59119001
Alright I see. Actually the battery doesn't matter a lot

What other models would you recommend? I'm really just looking for decent processing power, preferably 8gb ram and 256+ SSD. No need for dedicated graphics

Willing to pay up to around 800

>>59119027
If your budget is 800 you might just go for a T450. These are fairly new and the screens are just SOOOO much better than on older models.

>>59119023
If it doesn't have a trackpad it's probably pretty old, either pre Lenovo or one of Lenovo's early X series. You're not missing out on anything. Trackpads were shit back then and not having one is actually an advantage because it doesn't get in the way.

>>59119027
T430 for modding/reliability
T460 for that price

>>59119066
>>59119039
Alright thanks guys, I'm gonna look into that

>>59119066
You won't get a T460 for 800€. These go for 1300€ with a decent CPU. Anything cheaper will have an i3.

>>59119106
I'm seeing some around 900 with mid tier i5. Enlighten me, why is for example the t460 more than twice as expensive as a t430 for example

>>59119166
Because it's 3 generations newer. The T460 is last years's model. When they were new they cost around 1500€+. If you can find one with i5 for 900€ there must be some major downside to that specific laptop. It could have a shit condition battery or the 1366x768 screen. Or the casing might be damaged.

>>59119228
I get that the older ones are cheaper because they are being sold by companies who upgraded, but my question is what is the difference these 3 generations make?

>>59119228
Oh you're right btw the cheaper ones have the shit screen

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I got my free (free as in $0 and not free as in freedom) L420 up and running with Ubuntu. So far so good, it runs a hell of a lot smoother than the virus-laden Windows installation left behind by the previous owner. I question the need for an SSD actually, the 250 GB hard drive seems sufficiently fast.

Overall, the build quality is not as good as my dad's old T40 (the next newest Thinkpad we own), but I can't see why /tpg/ bemoans these things so much. They are miles ahead of the garbage laptops you get at Costco, BestBuy or Walmart in terms of build quality and overall feel. It should be a good machine for when I head off to University in the fall.

>>59101107
here...

Picked up the W530 with the Extreme Edition i7 and 8gb RAM.
I cleaned it up really good by gently cleaning with a damp Mr.Clean Magic Eraser (VERY gently) and a damp microfiber cloth. It cleaned up very well to 9/10 condition.

I actually only had to pay $200 for it!!!

Considering going back and buying another one (Or two!). Maybe I can use one as a home server? It can take two drives if you use an Ultrabay adapter. What can I do with a home server Thinkpad with 8-32 gigs of ram, two 2.5 HDDs, and a quad core i7m Extreme?

Thoughts?

>>59119259
>>59119288
Well first of all, on the old ones there are not good display options. Some have OK resolutions but they're all shit.
Second, 3 CPU generations make a massive difference in performance, especially in graphics.
Third, connectivity. Newer models will support more external displays and higher resolutions. Also they don't need as much refurbishing as a T430 for example. If you were to buy a T430 you would definitely need to buy a new battery and replace the thermal paste. These run super hot otherwise.
Besides, when Lenovo took over, build quality dropped significantly. The newer models are better in that regard. They are getting their shit together currently.

>>59119353
Might be worth the extra cash then. The price difference between the 430 and 450 models is pretty massive, but I'm gonna start a PhD and I just want a good laptop that can deal with heavy use for 3 or 4 years. I have the money, seems silly to save a couple hundred on a machine I'll be sending 12 hours daily for the next three years with lol.

>>59119319
I've never seen an L series laptop anon, could you take a closer photo of those buttons on the right side of the laptop?

>>59113885
>When the laptop is closed you can also press the center of the lid in several cm.
These laptops aren't even several cm thick anon, an edge would snap long before it flexed that much. Though they do definitely have bending issues - an Edge I have always gets an imprint from the keyboard on the screen just from carrying it in a bag.

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>>59119353
I have made a quick infographic that shows build quality from my perception. Please note this includes only the models I have used. I know the Lenovo era doesn't start with the T400 but that's the oldest Lenovo I have used so far. Before that the only IBM that I owned was a T41.

>>59119567
>dem vector graphics skills
but I think you're right with that.

>>59119567
What was so great about the IBM era regarding build quality?

>>59119588
Everything

>>59119588
Have you ever touched an IBM Thinkpad? These were unreal.
>Super high quality plastic for the case
>No keyboard flex. I mean really NO keyboard flex. Not a single mm anywhere on the keyboard.
>Better quality keyboard in terms of tactile feel. Even though Lenvo claim they haven't changed it.
>Extremely stiff hinges. These really needed 2 hands to open. The hinges don't wear at all. A T30 or T40 will still have stiff hinges after 10 years of use.
>No cracking sounds when you put your hands on the palmrest.

>>59119567
This is wrong; the 40 series was bottom of the barrel. 50 series was barely as good as 20 series. 60 and 70 are both massive improvements that are Lenovo's best by far

>>59119567
You should also make a graph on how much a basic T-series ThinkPad would cost in inflation adjusted currency.

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>>59119588
kids these days, sheesh

>>59119646
My impression of the 40 series was that it felt surprisingly good but was almost unuseable because of the missing trackpoint buttons. But features is not what I was rating. My current T450 feels almost as good as the T41 I had back in the day.

>>59119567
Build quality increased in the early Lenovo era. The magnesium rollcage was introduced to fix an issue the T42 had where the GPU would crack if you picked it up by the corner. The T60 is solid as hell and the T61 only improved on it, reliability issues with the Nvidia GPUs aside. After that they dropped the steel backplate on the keyboard and it all started going downhill with the **10 chassis redesign.

Need some laptop for university and I was thinking of buying some of these cheap as fuck laptops.
I could get a HP 9470m or a X230 (IPS), both of them cost the same, 250 euros, and are equipped with a 128 gb SSD , a I5 and 4GB (will upgrade it to 8GB). The HP seems really portable but I read that the display is pretty shitty.
I do care about battery life and portability, I'll just use them for word processing and sometimes to watch chinese cartoons on it.
Which of them should I get?
Another option would be cheaping out getting a 2570p or x220.

>>59119635
Pretty much this. Gotta add, the screens on the IBM models were way better than on the early Lenovo models. They only started using somewhat good screens again on the T440.

>>59119686
>this desperation
hello chang, how are things at the lenovo hq?

a new t-series thinkpad has worse build quality than an i1400 series

>>59119686
Yeah... except this is wrong. Early Lenovo models were terrible with the extra thin plastic that gives in several mm at a mere touch of the finger.

So sue me for posting leddit; but the Thinkpad sub is one of the only ones I browse because of good answers and quick reviews. Still full of rebbit cancer shit that makes me want to kill myself, but I digress. I posted this there since a bunch of people were answering questions about their new X1 Carbons. If any of you know please answer.
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/5w5wuo/question_for_x1c_5th_gen_owners_regarding_wwan/

>>59119748
True. T420 and t430 don't even have the keyboard mounted to the roll cage

>>59119755
Guy with the infographic here. I have to say though, with the precision keyboard this kinda didn't matter. It has a lot less flex than the old keyboard on the T420. I also think that the X230 feels way better than the T430. I don't know if this is my imagination but to me it really feels a whole lot better.

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>chang in here claiming that Lenovo > IBM for build quality
just a fucking joke, do not believe changposters

>>59119833
This was just so embarrassing. I'm glad they somewhat recovered from that. Newer models have gained a lot in terms of quality.

>>59119755
Calling a chassis a "roll cage" is a little bit rich don't you think?

I mean most Thinkpads had a metal chassis. My X40 does, and while it might not be advertised as a Roll Cage™ it surely looks about identical to one.

>>59119833
>pick up laptop
>GPU breaks in half, turning my $2000 laptop into a $2000 paperweight
That's IBM quality right there. Get your head out of your ass, you're no different from an Applel fanboy if all you care about is which company's execs paid the Thinkpad team.

>x200 tablet
>no thinklight

>x220 tablet
>no thinklight

What the fuck? Why couldn't they put a single LED light in there?

>>59114440
a-anyone?

>>59120039
Why'd you need a keyboard led when you're using a touch screen :^)

>>59120075
What does one have to do with the other? This is like asking why you would want a keyboard at all. Simple: because it's better. The X200 and X220 both have a Thinklight and there was not reason for Lenovo not to include it on the tablet versions.

Wouldn't not installing the intel ME chipset drivers render the ME useless? instead of the uber l33t hax0r way of using a rsbry pi and running a script to disable it?

Is it worth spending a hunnid bucks to put a brand new IPS screen on an x220

Note: I don't have the x220 yet, but it's on its way.

>>59120132
Not updating the ME just keeps you safe from the new authorized keys. Fucking up the ME with rpi or some other tool makes it super much harder for the man to haxxor you up.

>>59120155
$100 is a bit too much. I'd be willing to pay that much but you should be able to find one for around $50.

>>59120226
Only ones I can see for that price are available on aliexpress. Dunno if I should trust those.

>All these fags arguing about whether IBM or Lenovo had better build quality

Compared to something like the 600X, everything that came after was pure shit in terms of build quality, whether it was from IBM or Lenovo. The real decline started when ThinkPad production shifted from Britain and Japan to China and Mexico.

Having owned a T40p, T60p, T500 and a W530, and having used many other models (including the 600 series), I can say that there is no appreciable difference in build quality between IBM and Lenovo models until you reach the xx40 series, where there was a sudden and noticeable drop in build quality. In some ways, Lenovo even improved on IBM's designs (remember the cracking GPU scandal?) In particular, the empty nattering around the xx00 series keyboards is just utter rubbish, because the keyboard is literally the only thing wrong with the whole computer. As soon as you use the old T60/T61 keyboards (which are interchangeable with those on the T400/T500), the rest of the machine is every bit as good as its predecessor.

>>59120246
You shouldn't.

>>59111350
Probably the 'best' of the 15.4" 16:10 display ratio thinkpads to get with the classic 7 row keyboard (no big escape key). Get it if a W510 is too expensive, although I recommend a quadcore W520, M4600 or 8560w for 'decent' 15" machines, if you want to go the core 2 duo route here is my personal rankings.
>W500
>T500
>T61p w/ post-08/08 mobo
>R500
>R61
>T61 intel
>Z61p
>T60p
>T61 or T61p as a gamble
>R60

Just know that T/W500 cannot be upgraded to core 2 quad, and no widescreen ThinkPad of this time ever had IPS/AFFS. Only the 15" 4:3 SXGA+ or UXGA T60(p) was IPS.
Furthermore, there is a guide to mod a T61 to accept Core 2 Quads but that's all a risk and time spent.
>http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=110620

>>59120155
I just sold a used X220 Tablet screen for less than $40 shipped lol

>>59120252
>not talking about the Alps, Chicony, NMB keyboard differences
Heh, we can let them learn.

>>59119833
>implying the CPU fan grille isn't the most likely to be damaged part of the laptop

>>59120519
The difference is that I'm european, so everything costs twice as much

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>>59111584
I bought a t430 with discrete gpu and its pretty gucci. Don't play CSGO but Overwatch & Red Orchestra 2 run 60fps on bargain bin settings.

So like anything better than that will be good for you.

My current drive (500gb) has 320gb configured for win 7, and 160gb that is currently being used for Ubuntu. Should I say screw it and go full Ubuntu?

>>59121121
That's a question only you can answer.

>>59121121
It really depends on what your using Windows for, and if it's important enough not to replace

>>59121121
No. But you should have both configured on different drives totally if it's possible

>>59119055
What I meant is that for some reason they removed the clit, or it fell out, or broke. Anyway, all there it is now is the gap where it used to be. Everything else works perfectly.

>>59121937
You can get a new nub in a number of styles to stick in there, the actual trackpoint is probably still intact.

>>59121937
The Trackpoints cost like $2 in 5 packs dude. You can get different kinds and swap them as often as you want. Just a piece of rubber

>>59121937
Then you're missing out on the 2nd best pointing device for computers. Ranking as follows:

>1. Trackball
>2. Trackpoint
>3. Mouse
>4. Trackpad

T420 and X220 share keyboards, correct?
I want an X220 keyboard, but for whatever reason this seller has separate listings for them, and the X220 one doesn't have shipping to my country.

>>59122060
Remember that pointing device that was like a metal bar that spun and also you could move back and forth?

Can't remember the name but it was freakin' tiny and was on the front edge of the laptop.

I also remember one where the J key actually functioned as a trackpoint too.

There were a lot of weird pointing devices in the late '80s and early '90s as people sought to feel their way around existing patents.

>>59122074
They are the exact same. They probably just think they can make more money if they list them seperately.

>>59122091
Can't remember that. On which laptop have you seen this?

How's the T420s 1600 x 900 display from your experience, /tpg/? Is it actually somewhat better than 1600 x 900 on T420 and 1440 x 900 on T410? I've seen some reviews saying it's brighter and has better contrast, but what's your opinion guys?

>inb4 alienware swap
No thanks, am not into that. Just want something that's usable as it is

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Which one is the best?

The one on the left is shit tier

>>59122143
Sell it and buy a W series

>>59122145
The one on the left is the only one useable. Middle one is absolutely terrible and right one is just crappy.

>>59122104
Gotcha.

Another question, could I put the fingerprint reader from an X230 in an X220 palmrest?

>>59122145
The one which feels most comfortable for you. Different things for different people. Some like the soft dome, to me it's too tiny, and the concave one feels odd, so standard one ftw, but that's just my personal prefrence.

>>59122187
As far as I know this won't work. When you look up instructions on how to install an old keyboard in the X230 you'll notice that they tell you to also use an old palm rest and that the fingerprint reader won't work because they changed the connecter. So I guess it won't work the other way around either.

>>59122156
>W series
Too big and heavy for me.

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>>59122194
These are the proper names. Soft dome is actually the one on the left. The one you're calling standard.

>>59122210
I can't see that mentioned in the thinkwiki article, but a thread on the thinkpad forums confirms that the X230 fingerprint sensor doesn't fit in the X220 palmrest.

Thanks for the responses.

Are there any options for an X230 palm rest without trackpad? Some modded stuff or something?

>>59122249
>proper names

the proper name is clit mouse

>>59122249
Thanks. Nonetheless, I don't find calling it "standard" being inaccurate since it's been the stock variant for the past 15 years or so

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>>59122145
The eraser one that isn't in that pic
>>59122241
manlet

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>>59122292
it's a blue board here though

>>59122312
Limited edition thinkpad clits when?

I want a glow in the dark one

>>59122307
I didn't know it was because I have never bought a new Thinkpad. Most models I got had the Soft Dome but not all of them so I assumed you could select one when ordering a new Thinkpad from Lenovo.

>>59122292
That's the name for the pointing device but we're talking caps here. The clit mouse will work without the cap. It won't be nice to use but it will work.

>>59122312
w2c

>>59122321
I never heard any of these terms except Trackpoint before I came to /g/

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>T60 15"
>1680x1050
>ATI x1300
>3GB RAM

>>$50

I regret ever buying Lenovo era ThinkPads, lads

>>59122398
>1680x1050
Yep that gives me a major boner.

>>59122334
well maybe, never bought a new thinkpad either, still I guess that's the default option

>>59122312
>eraser
that must be the most useless one, since it has just as little traction as a worndown soft dome
>manlet
fuck you too, I'm not, still equivalent to 5% of my body mass is just too much for a computer carried around everyday along with some other stuff

>>59122312
What's that? People who don't want a massive bulk laptop with shit battery life that runs hot enough to power a sauna are manlets? Right.

>>59122398
>>T60 15"
>>1680x1050
>>ATI x1300
>>3GB RAM
>>>$50
>I regret ever buying Lenovo era ThinkPads, lads
Not getting the 4:3 version with its glorious IPS display oh my sides

>>59122359
No idea, they're discontinued, so they're fucking rare. Sorry for being such an unhelpful shit.

>>59122505
Resoltuionb is kong brither

>>59122601
Forgot to mention there are apparently no chinkshit ripoffs

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>>59122505
I love how tall the "widescreen" T60 was.

Taller than my T510, but still wide enough for split windows

>>59122643
Well... yeah... that's called 16:10

>>59122116
It was, I believe, a Mac clone from the late '80s. Maybe the Outbound or another similar type?

I also recall I saw it on some Japtop 286. It was a thing. I'll make a post about it if my poor old brain ever reveals anything more to me.

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>>59119481
Here you go

>>59122472
My W520 idles around 38c and rarely tops out at more than 60c. Which is quite cool for a laptop. Battery life is extremely reasonable. You're just making excuses for your weak, pathetic body. Hit the gym and get a real laptop you fucking useless weakling.

>>59122827
Wow. The b8 is becoming obvious. Or it's just buyer's regret because you realize you've bought a piece of shit and that you could have gotten a better laptop in a smaller and more reasonable form factor.

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Hey fellas.

I'm a crossboarding artfag, Was wondering if you could make any recommendations. Could any of these handle some photoshopping with large files? Also some 3D sculpting in Zbrush.

Do any of you artfag as a hobby? I'm guessing you'd need at least 8gb of RAM for it. Could you make some recommendations for something with good portability?

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>>59122312
>>59122827
You must be one of those special people my mom warned me about. One of my friends is a psychiatrist and he told me people like you calm down when you honk one of these

>>59122827
W520 is only a pound or so heavier than the immensely popular T420

>>59122866
You do realize the W520 can switch graphics on the fly gets the same battery and even better temps than the models you were looking to buy?

>>59122891
>good portability
That's where you might have to compromise. The only Thinkpads with screens good enough for media production are W or P series but these are heavy and maybe a bit overkill just for Photoshop. A modern T series would be enough in terms of performance but you'd have to use an external screen.

>>59122931
T520 screens are interchangeable with the W series. They're usually the same price so there's no reason not to buy the W. Hell even the lids are interchangeable.

>>59122143
Shitstorms about manlets and sauna stoves aside, I'd very much appreciate any relevant input.

>>59122957
>>59122912
>>59122827
Are you guys seriously trying to convince us you're carrying 15" laptops around with you?
>absolute madmen
There's absolutely no reason to carry anything larger than 12" except maybe if it's your only computer and you don't have an external monitor at home.

>>59122986
Found the lil guy

>>59122912
>switch graphics on the fly
tell us more about the most useless of features you hand picked to convince people of the faggot workstation

>>59122986
>this

>>59123007
>>59122827
some people just want to live in the past. also, you're samefagging way too hard

>>59122986
Name one 12" thinkpad that doesn't have T420 tier eye cancer display

>>59123012
You claimed the W series is a sauna so I informed you of the ability to switch the graphics off and get the exact same battery life as the laptops you're looking at.

What's the problem again?

>>59122979
Manlet comment aside, I'd say the difference is very minimal and barely noticeable.

>>59122931
>That's where you might have to compromise.

Fuck. I've been trying to vagabond with an with a laptop and a cintiq in a backpack for the past two weeks. Climbing up steep hills halfway killed me.

Are the W series really that heavy? I guess I could probably tradeoff by carrying around a small intuos or something.

>>59122145
soft rim

>>59123052
Anything later than X230 has very good 1080p screens.
Switchable graphics is useless because dGPUs are useless on laptops. At least on Thinkpads they are. These are made for office applications. On th road you don't use the dGPU and at home you use a desktop with a way more powerful GPU. Unless you're retarded. In that case see >>59122896

>>59123090
Then dont use it and turn it off in the bios? The main reason to buy the W series is so you don't have to deal with eye cancer panels and burn in with 50ms ghosting 1st gen ips screens with worse color than tn

>>59123052
Any x20p series with an IPS display you retarded Dingus

Also any x1 carbon 3rd gen+

>>59123141
Like I said, newer X series. If you disable the dGPU you have wasted money on shit you don't use. There is no place for this in between shit. 15" laptops that try to replace desktops but fail miserably on every aspect. On a laptop you're ALWAYS better off without dedicated graphics.

Concerning eye cancer: Let's use the X230 as an example.
>best resolution for the size because 768p requires no UI scaling
>even the TN panels are good enough to read text
>screen burn only on stock IPS displays. aftermarket displays don't have that problem

what more do you wish for? If you use your Thinkpad for anything other but browsing and office work you should have bought something else. The purpose of Thinkpads is office work.

>>59123204
>768p

nice joke

Not even going to read the rest of your shit

>>59123221
On 12" that's roughly 120ppi. Anything more is just ridiculous to even consider. Small text, unreadable and scaling on Windows 10 is shit. The most bug ridden feature of that whole fucking mess they call an Operating System. Linux isn't better in that regard.

>>59123221
High res on small laptops is a fucking joke. Try using an X series at anything above 1336x768, it's ant tier

Hey /tpg/, i'm probably going to buy a x230 next week, found one with good pricing where i live and it looks okay and all.

I still have one question, far from being a deal breaker or what ever, just wondering, can it run hearthstone? it is the only thing i actually play nowadays and it would be great to have that option if I ever find myself not working and bored.

>>59123288
>>59123249
Listen to these. Optimal PPI for a desktop screen is around 100. Maybe a bit less. 24" @1080p equals 91PPI. Pretty much perfect. On a laptop PPI can be higher because you're closer to the screen. 120 is max though.

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>>59113885

I'm using an E130, I think its sturdier and better than basically every other ThinkPad around. The keyboard is solid as fuck, bottoming out feels like you're hitting something solid from the sound signature. There is zero flex in the keyboard or anywhere else in the machine. The trackpad is also in my opinion the best on a ThinkPad.

All of you are totally wrong about E series machines. All ThinkPads past 2009 are the same thing in regards to construction quality.

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>>59123321

>>59123344

What is 'bait' about my post you cretin?

>>59123319
91PPI master race. 1440p 32 inch here. Ultimate level of comfy.

>>59123362
>advocating the worst thinkpad laptop ever concieved
this thing doesn't even deserve the name thinkpad. it's just some low price consumer shit they sell for twice of what it's worth and get away with it because they call it "E" for "education"
anyone with proper education would never fall for this.

>>59123321
Mate if it was made after 2007 it's not a ThinkPad

>>59123412
I object. The 60 series was really good and the new 70 series is amazing. I've had a chance to play around with one last week. It's almost on par with my old T40 and they even got the color right again. Besides, some people might not like it but I think it's great that they will be offering a silver option. This looks really great.

>>59123384

The summary of your post is; "I don't like it, doesn't FEEL like a ThinkPad to me!". Do you have anything of substance, like objective differences in manufacturing techniques which are actually documented, something that I can't refute as your opinion?

Look stupid you are, you think the 'E' in E Series means 'education'. It stands for Edge you absolute fucking retard. They are marketed as laptops for small business. You're clueless.

>>59123412

Nice arbitrary autism, there never was a set and known technical criteria for what makes a 'ThinkPad'. You're limiting yourself with imaginary shit.

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Would a kind anon with a W520 post a picture of the sound drivers they're using please? I'm trying to get Stereo Mix.

>>59123462
>doesn't FEEL like a ThinkPad to me

That's not what I was saying. It's not a Thinkpad because it doesn't have most of the features that define a Thinkpad.
>No metal roll cage
>Low quality keyboard (no, it's not the same as on higher end models)
>flimsy plastic, even worse than what they used on the 10 and 20 series

The lack of a metal enforced case is objectively a matter of durability. Basically it's an Ideapad branded Thinkpad to make more money out of it. Obviously it works. Retards like you are buying it.

>>59123070
what difference, T420s VS T420 / T410 or T4** VS T5**

>>59123493
Whoops, forgot to mention:
>No docking connector

It's a cheap excuse for a business laptop.

>>59123512
T420/T410 vs T420s.

>>59123528
ah thx

>>59123528
The S version is made to be slim and doesn't support any high capacity batteries. That's pretty much it. I'd say that's a pretty huge difference. You get 4 hours out of these at best.

>>59123493

>No metal roll cage
The newer 'real' ThinkPads don't either. Material science has changed since the 90s you know. A magnesium cage isn't necessary for sturdiness anymore. Are you using your laptop as a diving board before meetings and need it to function after your dive?
>Low quality keyboard (no, it's not the same as on higher end models)
Yes it is, its exactly the same thing.
>flimsy plastic, even worse than what they used on the 10 and 20 series
Its the same plastic.
>No docking connector
Lenovo has moved to their little WiGig docks. You really think they'd keep on making docks for battery slices on all their machines? They'll all be gone soon. Retards like you want companies to keep on producing old tech and then go on old man rants when they evolve and moan that its not the 'real' thing anymore.

Have fun with your cuo2duo doorstop, luddite.

>>59119349
This is a decent proposal. You get a built-in UPS and enough power for a few VMs and whatever applications you want to serve over the network. You could likely saturate the gigabit link pretty easily and should be fine for transcoding media as well.

>>59123562
I don't care about battery life that much, I do about about an acceptable screen

>>59122986
I like my massive W series because I am rarely in the same place. I travel for business a lot and it is just not practical to bring a second monitor with me everywhere, so the massive expanse of screen real estate from the 15" 1080p panel is very much appreciated.

If I were still a student in university I could see an argument being made for something smaller, but even back then I had a T400, which was not substantially lighter or more portable, and I still managed fine.

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>>59123493
What do they even use them for that a classic ThinkPad couldn't handle? Literally nothing. Sad

>all you fags bragging about low PPI
I have a 300 PPI e-reader, 4k 24" desktop monitor, and a 1080p 14" laptop. You all disgust me

>>59123659
Forgot to mention the 1080p 5" phone

>>59123587
>The newer 'real' ThinkPads don't either
I know but at least these are carbon fiber enforced
>Yes it is
No, it's really not. The only thing they have in common is the key shape and the travel. Tactile feedback is almost non existent because they use a different mechanism for the keys.
>Its the same plastic.
I know. Like I said, the same as they used on the 10 and 20 series, which were arguably the worst Thinkpads ever. These still had a metal frame though so it wasn't nearly half as bad.
>WiGig docks
Oh you mean those retarded pieces of crap that are basically good for nothing? The connectivity sucks and since it's not a proper dock it won't recharge the laptop so you have to manually plug in a charger every time you run low on battery. That makes it not more convenient than a traditional dock in any way. Stop pretending wireless is the future for every piece of tech just because you made a mistake and actually bought this shit. T, P and X series will be equipped with a docking connector for a long time to come. Granted, tt doesn't have to be on the bottom. USB Type C would to fine but it has to supply the laptop with power. Otherwise it's not a real dock.

>>59115915
Your only real chance to be rid of tearing completely is Wayland. In my experience even Windows will suffer fairly visible tearing.

>>59123665
Don't forget that Wigig needs active cooling. How retarded is that?

e530 stuck at splash, cant access BIOS

what do

>>59123696
I can't understand why it's supposed to be more convenient anyways. It still requires cables to the monitor and other peripherals. And like >>59123665, it doesn't provide power. Wireless will replace docking stations but that's just the wrong way. If there was a wireless transmitter and reciever in every device including screen, it would be fully matured. As long as it requires a seperate device it's good for nothing.

>>59123734
You dun goofed. Gotta take it to a professional to re flash the BIOS. Or dump it. Your decision.

>>59123665
>WiGig
funny how that thing is three+ times more expensive than the Ultra Dock

>No, it's really not. The only thing they have in common is the key shape and the travel.
So are keyboards on E series just like on T/W/X or not?

>>59123775
They have different keyboards. At least Notebookcheck and several other testers claimed that.

>>59119349
That honestly sounds like an absolute bargain, if I were you I'd probably just be reselling them.

I can't see too much practical use for having multiple - it's already portable so there's little point having one as a dedicated media PC, just use a dock instead. If you want a file server then you can probably pick something up cheaper that will deal with 3.5" drives without an extra USB3 caddy. Other sorts of servers where processing power is being used it might make sense. Otherwise I'd just be setting everyone I know up with a W530.

>>59123748
>Wireless will replace docking stations but that's just the wrong way
>>59123775
>funny how that thing is three+ times more expensive than the Ultra Dock

also why there is no industry standard for this wireless "docking". Dell also makes their WiGig "docks" but those are only compatible with Dell laptops. What a waste

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>>59119349
Any other responses?

>>59123590
Exactly what I was thinking.

>>59123783
Yet E keyboards are any better than ideapads' or same shit tier?

>>59123757
>Gotta take it to a professional to re flash the BIOS
i cant reflash it myself? idk mang could it be a mobo issue?

thinking of buying a w700/w701 for college next year. thoughts?

>>59123822
How dare you speak of large thinkpads in my presence

>>59123807
>this
But it's been like this for every piece of tech. It takes some time before everyone agrees on one standard. Just think of all the different CPU architectures that were widely used for PCs in the 80s and 90s. Today it's x86. Give it 10 years and there will be a standard and the price will be reasonable.

>>59123816
If you want to risk it you can flash it of course. That's just not something the average user does. If it's a hardware thing you're basically fucked.

>>59123835
thinking of buying a w700/w701 for college next year. thoughts?

>>59123846
don't

>>59123491
What you need is an audio codec. head over to realtek

>>59123862
why

>>59123842
>If you want to risk it you can flash it of course
all in all it was a $10 laptop, so it cant go too bad right?

>>59123872
too big heavy and old, if you want a thinkpad of that size to lug around get a w520/w530

>>59123865
Realtek is not an audio codec. That would be something like MP3 or OGG. Realtek is a manufacturer of sound cards.

>>59123491
Why don't you just use Lenovo's update software. It's gonna install all drivers automatically. You'll only get Stereomix if you have a Realtek sound card. I think all Thinkpads have these so you should be fine.

>>59123884
That's right. You'll just have to figure out how to do it.

>>59123872
Big as shit, old as shit, heavy as shit, processors are approaching obsolete, hard to find any in good cosmetic condition. If you want a W, get a W5**

>>59123734
Mine has the same issue, it's had it for years and I've never found a real fix. Just pull the CMOS battey to force it into the BIOS and install a decent bootloader later that can boot into the BIOS.

>>59123907
Don't trigger the autist that spams his 300mhz pentium shitpad

>>59123892
No, realtek's website has audio codec software you can download. that's what I meant.

>>59123907
So you are saying a W500 is fine, but a W700 is not?

>>59123907
Its not that they are obsolete they are still perfectly usable but those first gen i7s are pretty much housefires waiting to happen. They throttle down so much and drain battery so quickly. I reckon an ivy bridge dual core would be close in terms of performance.

>>59123938
They're both 45w idiot

>>59123936
W500 is fine because of the fact its a dual core. Early quad core laptops are fucking garbage.

>>59123946
thinking that TDP is the only factor when it comes to energy consumption and heat output

>Clarksfield i7s are obselete
why is this general so retarded

>>59123961
Say more retarded shit

>>59123934
I know but these are actually drivers with control software. Codecs convert one format to another. I didn't really make that clear with my previous post. Anyways, Realtek will only work and give you Stereomix if you a Realtek sound chip.

>>59123982
so you mean to tell me if i take an i7 3720qm with its 45watt tdp along side a i7 820qm and put them both under 100% load they will consume the same power and produce the same amount of heat?

I'm going to get a w701 and there is nothing you can do about it

>>59124022
i wouldnt be caught dead in public with that thing

>>59123842
those were different a r c h i t e c t u r e s , but these here are just things which use the same backbone tech
>http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking/000007805.html
yet apparently are made proprietary justbecausewecan

>>59123967
Only tonight. It seems the tranny manlets have flooded in and their confused brains are here spouting rubbish

>>59124004
No don't be silly the heatsink and power delivery isn't designed around certain wattage.

>>59124027
This was just an example for the way the tech industry works. Back when there were so many architectures it wasn't even about one company believing theirs was the best. It was about artificially reducing compatibility to tie customers to one brand. This works only for so long until a product comes along that is so good that everyone has do adopt it.

>>59123951
>W500 is fine because of the fact its a dual core

So are the vast majority of W700s

>Early quad core laptops are fucking garbage

On what basis? The QX9300 will stomp any other mobile processor from the same era.

>>59124065
>The QX9300 will stomp any other mobile processor from the same era.
sure but it's terribly inefficient. a newer quad core laptop won't even cost that much more but will have lower heat and power consumption.

>>59124093
4 5 w

>>59124022
A friend of mine has that. When we work on one desk an he puts it down it sometimes bends the desk a little. Of course everyone has their own needs but it just seems like that machine was an arrempted compromise between "we want to put in this crap i7 with a giant battery which will drain in seconds regardless and we don't care if it weighs 6kg"

>>59124121
wrong

no computer with a chicklet board will ever be a real thinkpad

just know this, it is true

>>59124121
What kind of shit desk do you have? I've got a 60-pound monitor that has been sitting on my desk for the better part of 14 years and there isn't even a tiny bit of bending

>>59124049
>artificially reducing compatibility to tie customers to one brand.
Sure, but there's some treshold to what extent you can do it. As long as something can be regarded an "accessory", customers will bite it, like these proprietary WiGigs or all those Apple adapters needed to connect macbooks to anything. But imagine what would happen if Apple or Dell or Lenovo would make their computers compatible only with their own monitors - that just wouldn't go through. Remember how Sony and Olympus once thought their proprietary memory card standarts would be viable. Nope.

Ah btw Dell's current wired docks are still the same as in E6*00/M**00 era, the times of **00 thinkpads that is, whereas thinkpads' Advanced Dock of the same age was replaced with the current Ultra Dock at **40. Why change something that just works?

>>59124261
This wouldn't go through because we already have standards for screen connectors. There was a time when manufacturers tried to introduce new standards and failed. Everything starts out without compatibility and moves towards compatibility.

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>>59110698
I just got my first Thinkpad (x240), and I've got a question. Can I always keep the charger on, since I'll mainly use it as a desktop pc, having monitor connected to it. Or should I take the battery off, and only then connect the charger?

>>59125038
Running it without the battery would prevent wear sure. Keep in mind if you're storing your battery it should be around 50%.
Ideally though you could just rely on the battery as a backup supply like a UPS, just set your computer to keep the charge levels very conservative and wear should be pretty minimal.

>>59124141
no thinkpad with 1600x900 or lower resolution will ever be a real computer

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>>59125120
1024x768 is sufficient for terminal work anon. All real Unix™ users spend >50% of their time in the terminal.

Heck 640x480 will give you 80x24 with a nice legible font, if you need anything more than that you're practically on hormones and preparing for your gender reassignment surgery already.