/pcbg/ - PC Building General

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/GRQbGf

>>59106069
Seems kind of expensive for a B-model motherboard

The CPU EZ Debug LED on my motherboard stays on and my computer won't POST.
What could be the problem? I already RMA'd the motherboard once because it had bent pins.

Should I RMA the CPU too, or is something else the problem?

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>>59106029
>"""Building"""

>>59106069
>gpu
I don't recommend going with a blower style cooler unless you are going sff, but it's not a big deal

>case
looks like ass, but it works

>>59106029
>ryzen + 1080 ti = perfect combo?

>>59106134
It's in a currency as bad or worse than kangabux

>>59106137
Talk to support

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kxj6Ps

im probably going to add a sound card and a network card from my old computer (~2010-2011). Though that computer was prebuilt, so will i be able to open it and take parts from it?

>>59106191
That would be a nice 1440p setup

>>59106134
cheapest one that allowed 2400 ram.

>>59106151
cheapest 1070 i dont mind blower.
and yes case looks shit but its cheap and comes with 2 fans - im hoping the lights can be turned off

>>59106193
Which support? MSI? Newegg? Intel?

>>59106199
As long as you have enough PCI slots it should be no issue. And that in itself shouldnt be an issue.

Also, when you install windows be sure to install the drivers from the sound card/network manufacturer.

>>59106209
>i dont mind blower.
You dont mind the sound of a jet engine in your house?

>>59106209
depending on the fan, you can dissect the fan and cut out the led's

>>59106225
aight thanks

>>59106259
headphones.

>>59106281
will try it. cheers

>>59106221
Mobo manufacturer

>>59106199
Don't need sound card
Get 240GB SSD
Get used 23"-24" for $50

>>59106209
>cheapest one that allowed 2400 ram.
All B250 allow 2400

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KkdB7h

Should I get a different mobo?

>>59106353
cheapest mobo that allowed 2400 is what I meant - on the Jew Zealand pcpartpicker anyway

>>59106353

nah ssd doesnt matter to me right now. ill get it later down the line

>>59106366
it's fine as long as you are not build too crazy of a system, and don't plan on upgrading your ram.

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I need a good quiet case fan. I know Noctua's usual brown fans are the best of the best, but I require at least neutral colours to match my computer's colour scheme.
How are Noctua's Redux fans ? They look like they'll match my other stuff nicely.

>>59106497
theyre noctua. they will be good

>>59106029
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DfpXd6
Thoughts on the 600p?

>>59106561
Pshhh
>>59106497
Yeah bro actually go buy the solid black noctuas they're noctuas you know they're best of best bro

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>>59106835
600p isn't very impressive imo, either get a cheaper SATA SSD or get a Samsung 950/960 pro, they're a huge step ahead of the 600p's
But 600ps aren't terrible prices either, they're just *barely* faster than SATA, where the Samsung ones smash those speeds
These are my drives

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>>59106885
And here's a 960 pro

>>59106885
>>59106899
Oh, okay. I've never had an SSD before so I don't really know what to expect.

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>>59106915
I love showing people HDD speeds
This is a WD Black high performance HDD
Expect a lot

>>59106488
I cant imagine needing more than 16

>>59106480
As far as performance per dollar nothing will boost you as much as an SSD. Ill never go back to fully mechanical

What's a good Ryzen build?

>>59107034
Pirate windows.

Hey I'm looking to upgrade cases, should I go with a Fractal Design R5 or a Corsair C70? Opinions?

>>59106958
ssd's are 3-4 years away from being as cheap as 1tb hard drives. i dont mind waiting

Can a PSU be incompatible with a CPU?
I have an old HX650W that I bought about 7 years ago with my i5 750 and was wondering if it'll have any problems powering recent CPUs.

>>59107100
Here's my opinion, buy a small SSD now along with a traditional harddrive. Only use the SSD to run your operating system. It honestly and truly makes such a huge world of difference.

>>59107124
I second this, an ssd used like this will reduce your boot up time and load times by an insane amount. Totally worth the extra cash.

>>59107100
How poor are you that youre sitting on s hundred dollars for 4 years? And if youre sonpoor why are you wasting your money on a gaming pc?

>>59107164
>m-m-muh boot times
How many of you fucks that use this as a selling point actually restart your machine more than once a week?

Was originally thinking about getting a 1060 but have heard good things about the RX 480. Which should I get?

>>59107173
I put my most used programs on it. Do what you want but its a cheap way to dramatically improve your rig

>>59107192
1070

>>59107192
Get the cheapest one that isn't a 1060 3GB
They're astoundingly similar performance, the RX480 has a clear lead in DX12 games (10-12%) in favor of a small loss in DX11 games (2%) compared to the 1060 6GB
The 1060 3GB is actually a cut down chip, not just lower VRAM

>>59107173
A traditional household will get generally shut their computer off every night.

I have an LG 29UM58-P monitor currently. It's 29" and 1080p 75Hz. I want to add two 23" 16:9 1080p monitors each side (email on the left, spreadsheets on the right). Will it impact my vision or UX if I grab 60Hz monitors?

>>59107166
nah i have a decent job (60k per year) . But im a bit of jew when it comes to saving money. I can deal with hard drive for a few years.

>>59107090
The R5 is a piece of shit, only case I've ever bought that arrived broken

Want new PC now but want ryzen 1600x. What do?

>>59107278
Wait for Intel to release a better chip

>>59107243
>>59107100
>>59106480
Honestly I'm a little bit sad that you're so stupid

>>59107192
Depends on how much VRAM you want (4GB RX480 or 6GB 1060). Or if you are going to be playing a specific game that performs better on one or the other.

>>59107278
Bite the bullet on an eight core or just wait

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>>59107297
Cannonlake is just around the corner, the die shrink to 10nm is finally happening, it's gonna be some real gains
All you gotta do is wait homie

>>59107243
Well i think youre really fucking dumb but thats cool with me

>>59107328
Second this

>>59107090
Get the new Define C instead.

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>>59106561
Yeah, but how good ?
Is there anything better/quieter from other brands ?
How about Corsair's ML140 ?

RX 480 8gb or 1070? For 1080p gaming and maybe 14490.

>>59107422
Shit dawg, you need more than a 1070 for that

>>59107430
I meant 1440p lol idk how I typed that. I'm pretty tired.

>>59107422
For 1440, 1070.
For 1080, 480 is plenty. If you expect to pick up a 1440 monitor anytime soon, get a 1070.

>>59107353
I want to put an optical drive in it, so can't do the c

improve this for me. my budget is $850

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t4h8yf

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PCCaseGear recently unstocked the Phanteks Enthoo Luxe White which was my selected case for my custom water cooled build.

Can anyone suggest a mid to high end case for a rigid tubing build? Probably won't do SLI, 2xSSDs and 1-3 HDDs.

Also having trouble figuring out if 480 radiators will fit in the top of certain cases? I'm cooling my CPU and 1 GPU, JayZTwoCents suggested 240 rads per part cooled. Would it be better to just get 2 x 240 radiators, or 1 x 360 rad and a 120 rad mounted on the front or rear or something?

>>59107772
>2x 240mm radiators
Who wants to bet he has a Skylake/Kabylake quad core in his machine?

>>59107772
>JayZTwoCents suggested 240 rads per part cooled
>listening to the man who fucked up an X99 board by drilling holes through it
He's full of shit. A single 120mm radiator is enough to keep a CPU or a GPU cooled. You can cool both on a single radiator too, unless you're overclocking the balls off of them. Once you hit about 200W of heat, then you'll need to expand the radiator size to a single 240mm or two 120mm. Adding more large radiator's will only benefit you if you're doing ridiculously high-voltage overclocking on 100+TDP CPUs and 200W+ TDP GPUs.

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>>59107890
>95w CPU
>190w GPU
>both on cheap aircoolers
Give it to me straight, how long until housefire?

>>59107928
Never?

>>59107209
Too expensive for my budget.
>>59107216
The cheaper one is the RX 480 but I don't know which model to get. I've heard suggestions for the XFX but that one is more expensive than some 1060 models so I don't know.
>>59107314
I would rather have a card that can last me for a wide variety of games for a long time. As for VRAM, isn't more usually better?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/KdwxkT

Here is possibly my first build.
Trying to spend somewhere between 1800 to 2000 leafbucks smartly. All the money I save here will be spend on musical gear like a mixer, mics, etc.
You've guess it I plan on doing music related stuff with that rig. Also some minor video editing for fun.

I mostly play are 4X like Civ VI and Stellaris so I figured I didn't need that strong of a graphic cards.

Suggestions and crictics are more than welcomed.

MX300 or 850 evo?

>>59107192
R9 Fury

Do i need a fan?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KkdB7h

when can we get a update on OP's picture

we need a more current and to compare HDD models/brands vs SSD models/brands

we need to start compiling stats on our drives as a community i think because ive heard backlaze has a bias and they dont use 100% new drives and run them till they break

they just do stress tests on used drives and its not really a level and standard ground

>buy 1080 a couple of weeks ago.
>play runescape now and again
>at 60hz

What have I done.

>>59108394
Make sure the RAM is compatible with the mobo
27" is a little too big for 1080p

>>59108460
Stock is fine

>>59108302
Doesn't really matter between the 1060 and 480. Basically whichever is cheaper

>>59107549
i5 7500, that i3 is a waste
240GB SSD

>>59107422
Don't buy a 1440p card until you buy the monitor. Start with 480

>>59108569
Wasted your money. Other anons take heed!

>>59108640
Which 480 model would you suggest though?

I want to build a custom case for a miniITX system as my 850w RMx psu and 1070 gpu don't fit in most cases.

however my problem is my current i7 3770k that I haven't put any effort into overclocking (due to a couple bluescreens) doesn't have a miniITX board that I could easily acquire.. SO my question is do you think I should look into getting one of the new Ryzen processors or wait for Intel to hopefully have a better next gen?

is it worth getting a skylake cpu? i heard kaby lake wasnt that much of an upgrade

>>59108697
It was as far as overclocking goes, but at stock clock speeds no.
Most Skylake CPUs are the same price as their Kaby Lake brothers, so you might as well go Kaby Lake.

>>59108749
thanks

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>>59108569
r u me

>>59108640

>27" is a little too big for 1080p
Thanks I'll be checking if I can get 25" 1080p 75 hz or 27" 2k with freesync the same price point.

>Make sure the RAM is compatible with the mobo
Those are DDR4 sticks, why wouldn't they be compatible?

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Considering that I already have the RX 480 8GB, which CPU/mobo/RAM combination is better?

Would I really even be seeing much of a performance improvement with the 7600k over 7500 with this GPU?

I was looking to get another cpu to go along with my gtx 970. I was looking at cpus in the 100-200 range. Is it worth to wait for the ryzen 1400x for a few months? How much of a difference would it make compared to my current fx8350?

Can i play wildlands on my tv? Its just a cheap 47 inch lcd

>>59107519
>optical drive in 2017

>>59108961
Whats wrong with that

>>59108918
only if you're going to overclock, it certainly does make a difference in cpu intensive tasks. for example, an overclocked haswell i5 will run circles around a locked kabylake i5.

>>59108972
you might use it once every 2 years if that

>>59109007
I watch dvds all the time

>>59109033
youre living in the past

>>59109067
*tips fedora*

>>59109074
>man living in the past tipping his fedora
pottery

>>59108972
Nothing. Still plenty of media on optical drives that haven't been phased out yet. You could also make back ups on dvds or cds.

>>59109033
Jeez grandpa at least get blu rays

>>59107242
Anyone might replying?

>>59107772
>getting anything from PCCaseGear

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Building a new PC after 4 years with the FX-6300

Recommend me a better CPU-mobo combo.
I'm lost as fuck in today's market.
Should I xenon? I have a 350$ budget.

Getting a desktop now, should I buy a decent mobo, case and psu and go with g4560 + 1050 + 8gb of basic 2400 drr4? I plan to upgrade later to whatever i7 will fit the socket and some better graphics.

Or should I jsut get like i5-7400 + 1600 6gb and average the rest (b250 and other mid tier stuff) and forget upgrading, just buy a new one when this one becomes old?

>>5910724
Moving windows around will just look very very slightly less smooth on the 60hz monitors. I don't know what UX means.

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So, after 3 years of service my R9 290 died.
I was playing games last Wednesday night and suddenly got artifacts. Not too long after that I got a blue screen.
After a couple desperate attempts at a revival, it was evident the card went bad.

I am looking at replacement options and I was wondering if going from an R9 290 to a RX 480 would be a good/bad/unnoticeable change.

>>59107242
>>59109741
oops

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kLhCqk - Back again, I had to go to work. Okay so with it in mind that I am not going to get 120 FPS consistently at 1920x1080, I made some tweaks.

>CPU / GPU
I don't plan on overclocking, but I do want to have the option in case I ever need it, plus I don't need a stock cooler. Since the price is down to about $1200, would it be worth it to look into a 1070/1080 if possibly in my budget?

>CPU Cooler / Thermal Paste
Would the paste that comes with that specific cooler be good enough, or would the thermal paste be a good idea?

>Motherboard
I honestly don't know much about motherboards, but this should have all that I need given the build.

>Memory
I don't think I'll ever need anything faster than 2133, but I do want 16GB RAM.

>Storage
I barely fill my current 1TB, so I am going with another 1TB and getting an SSD for my OS and a few programs.

>Case / Case Fans
It looks nice and simplistic, also has what I need and has the space for what I want to do. As for the fans, it comes with two already, I just want another two to be sure on temperatures.

>PSU
About 550 is good enough for me at Gold rating.

>Sound Card / Wireless Adapter
I'll buy both at a later point in time.

>OS
I might have to buy it since I don't have a USB that could fit an OS to install from.

>Monitor
Has the specs that I want. 1920x1080, 1ms response time. It's a little small at 21.5" but oh well.

>Goal
I want to play Forza Horizon 3 at the highest settings at 60 FPS consistently. Which is why I might shell out some more for a 1070/1080 if I can afford to do it.

Where's the best place I can get a non bank-starving used workstation with Xeon/GPU for development and mathematic?

>>59109746
F

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-480-vs-AMD-R9-290/3634vs2171

>>59109746
>only 3 years
what the fuck?

>GTX 980 Ti is $300 less than the TItan X at around $700
>GTX 1080 is newer and presumably better in performance and is about a $100 less

Why is the 980 Ti so highly priced?

>>59110195
not sure where youre quoting those prices from but 980 Ti is only around 500-600

>>59110243
So is a 1080

>>59110243
PCPartPicker for prices currently.

>inb4 but not reliable!
Like the anon below you said, 1080 is about $600.

>>59110195
Jew trap for people who fall for the Ti meme.

>>59109944
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3kkxkT

Updated once again with a 1070 in-mind.

>>59110368
Im not sure a 212 can handle the heat a 7700k puts out. Unless youre ok to delid it and apply your own paste

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>>59110429
THIS FUCKING SHIT is why Im glad Jewtel now has competition.

>>59110463
Is this bait?

>>59110677
gee i wonder who could be behind this post

>>59109746
Contact the manufacturer. They might surprise you even if the warranty is out.

>>59110695
>waah I have to buy a good cooler to overclock a high end processor wash
Fuck (((them))), amiright?

>>59110728
see >>59110695

>>59110738
Next you're going to say "I was only pretending to be retarded."

>>59110750
see >>59110695

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As a high seas windows user is Daz still the best loader these days? I'd rather not actually give money to MS when I build a ryzen PC in the coming weeks.

Also: praise unto Asus for having the hero have AM3+ mounts - saves me having to wait for thermalright to release their bracket for the silver arrow.

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Is permanently putting an SD card into my laptop for storage a good idea?

Anons, I'm completely new to building or knowing anything about computers. Can some kind anon recommend me something? I don't plan on running any AAA games or anything. I was thinking somewhere around being able to run killing floor or l4d2 but my budget is around the $800 range also in Canada if that helps

>>59110812

Depends on how many read/writes you plan to give it. Regardless of that though it will be slow as shit.

comments on building a budget PC now (movies/porn/dota 2) using the G4560 as opposed to waiting until end of this year for low entry ryzen?

no point waiting?

>>59110819
How long can I expect an SD card to last at normal usage? Sandisk is claiming all kinds of durability and resistance but I don't know if higher end SD cards really just "fail"
It says it's fast enough to write 4K 30fps footage off a camera, I really only plan on using this for massive media data like movies and music. 95MB/s isn't bad though right? That's on par with a higher end HDD isn't it?

>>59110788
Why the hell these ugly colors on coolers? Even Noctua has started to break from their norm, so why is Thermalright trying to out-ugly them?

>>59110851

That cooler is a good 4 years old. The extreme version comes with some garish orange fans that spin to a million rpm.

Still it costs about 1/3 less than the D15 and is only a few degrees worse in performance.

>>59110816
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JNQXd6

>>59110948
change it to a quad core and its a solid cheap 480 build

>>59110839
>>59110819
Well I just bought it
If anything I have a $70 excuse to get a good camera

>>59109256
Where else are us ausfags gonna get parts from?

>>59110816

Here's my quick proposition.
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/NCbB7h

Any good routers under 100$?

>>59110979
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/BsZ6Ps

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There can only be ones

>>59110816
KF or KF2?

>>59110816
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/y686Ps - My take on it.

>>59110037
This
>>59109746
Did you use it for mining anon? That is pretty short life for a GPU.

Question about the rx480 custom designs, because I'm gonna go to my local store in an hour and buy one. Do the custom designs differ much in terms of cooling/noise, because I can't seem to find much info about that which is comparing all available designs.

So far my pick would be the Asus Strix version, simply because my last three cards were all from Asus and worked like a charm. Upgrading from a Radeon 7850 btw.

>>59111219

Why the Z270 mobo? That anon is obviously not going to overclock ...

>>59111276
The CPU is Kaby Lake. Overclock or not, no reason to buy a Kaby/Sky without a Mobo to support it. Otherwise, there is no point in running any K CPU or that Pentium. Sure the pentium's price is really good for its performance, but why bother buying the pentium even on a budget if you aren't going to get a motherboard to at least give yourself some OC room if you really want to do it.

>>59111289

Isn't the Pentium locked? How is he going to manage to OC a locked Kaby Lake?

>>59111322
I wouldn't personally know about the Pentium, more so it's specifics besides that it's a Kaby Lake.

>>59110948
>>59111019
>>59111219
Thank you anons, you will never be forgotten.

>>59111120
I've never played or seen much for KF2 but I used to always play the first. I'll assume a huge difference? Maybe the second if it's not going to be a huge upgrade. My plan is to just start off with this and work my way up to having some sort of god tier rig

>>59111356
Well all three of the builds will play KF2 with no sweat. In any case, what's your steam? When you get the new computer I'll play KF2 with you.

>>59111332

Only the K CPU's can overclock.
That anon would be paying a 25$ to 30$ extra for a utility he can't possibly use.

>>59111405
Ah gotcha.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pQPRM8

Thoughts on my budget build? My upper limit is $1100 but I want to slightly lower so I can buy a game or two.

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>I'm too fucking dumb to do something interesting with my old computer so I'm gonna compensate with $3000 worth of new components :^)

>>59111440

You can get a Windows license from Kinguin.net for half that price.

Why are you paying so much for mouse and keyboard?

Here is what I got for you. The mouse and kboard comes in red, green or blue. Choose whichever color less offends your eyes.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QHGrPs

>>59111383
Good to hear, okay. I don't have a steam yet. I'm currently only using a ps4 until I can start gaming on a pc

>>59107315
>Ryzen is just around the corner
>All you gotta do it wait
>Cannonlake is coming o ut
>All you have to do is wait
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR HALF A FUCKING YEAR, ALL THERE IS IS WAITING

>>59111517
>those prices on kinguin
Is that site even legit? I am getting my Win10 license from them if that's the case.

And thank you.

>>59111564

Paul says it is. How could one not trust Paul?
https://youtu.be/yXTqz3Fd28M

I'll be buying a ryzen 1700x when it becomes available.
I will also get a new graphics card at the same time.

What card would you recommend for someone who plays games on a 1440p screen, to go with a ryzen 1700x?

>>59111556

Cannonlake isn't going to be shit of note. Go ryzen and be happy.

I need some help guys, I found out recently that my CPU (i7 3770) was getting to 100ºC and halving it's processing power to not shut itself down.
So I checked and reapplied a new thermal paste (arctic silver 5) and it helped, but comparing to when I first built this PC (I did some tests and such), the CPU temp is still going over 80ºC while playing games such as LoL, that isn't even too CPU intensive.

Is there anything else that might cause this, or did I apply the thermal paste wrong (unlikely)?
Or is it just time to get a new CPU? This one is about 4~5 years old...

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I'm looking to build a 1080p gaymen/workstation pc.

My current gameplan is getting get a Ryzen 1700x and a RX 480 (or low/middle end Vega) as well as 32 GB of RAM.

I need a good processor and quite a bit of RAM because I plan on running a PCI-Passthrough with a Linux host and Windows guest. I chose the Ryzen because it's relatively cheap, more cores offer a better visualization result and the AM4-socket will be supported in Zen 2 as well.

So, is it better drop a lot of money on a high-end GPU or upgrade to a mid-range GPU (200 - 250 bucks) every couple of years ?

>>59111630

It all depends on how much you're willing to pay.

If you're on a budget, I'd recommend you go watch benchmark of the XFX GTR 480X.
It should be able to get good fps for most modern games at 1440p at low or medium settings.

If price is no issue, then you should start looking at GTX 1070 models. There's a huge price gap, but it should let you play most games on high settings ...

>>59111801

Maybe tell us which cooler you use ?

>>59111877

There isn't really a simple answer. It depends on your needs and your finances.

My gut tells me that getting a midrange GPU and replacing it every 2-3 years is the way to go.

>>59112007

thanks for the answer.

I would have thought the same. I'm nowhere near being a FPS whore (currently running a Athlon X4) and I don't want to spend more than 1400 bucks on this entire build, especially if I need to upgrade a 600 $ GPU almost as often as a 200 $ one...

>>59106029
Should I get a graphic card for a basic 400-500€ build ? This pc will not be used for gaming

>>59111877

Get the GPU you need for your current usage. "Future proofing" is a gamble. You can never truly tell at which pace technology will advance. Get what your budget can afford at the moment you're buying.

>>59112051

My rule of thumb is a minimum of three years. When I buy a GPU I want it to run in excess of 60fps at max settings for the first year. Then for the second year I want it to hang at around 60fps at max settings. Then in the third year, 60fps with some settings turned down. That's the bare minimum. If it does better than that, great, but I don't plan for better than that.

>>59112091

So the 480 it is. Thanks.

>>59112090

What would it be used for?
If it's something like a HTPC, make sure the CPU has an intergrated graphics card if you don't want to pay extra for a discrete card.

>>59111894
The normal fan one that comes with the processor, don't remember the name.

>>59112245

The stock Intel cooler is a piece of shit.

>>59112245

Yeah, get a new cooler. Even a 212 EVO should be enough.

>>59106029
would it be wise to upgrade from my current media setup of a 4.5 year old laptop (pentium b960, 8gb ram, hd gfx 2000 + r7670m) to something like a nuc? only reason is cause the hw seems to be dying and it cant output 4k to my tv.

if so, would my best bet be to wait until the ryzen apus come out? or settle for current gen stuff.

>>59112323

We have little information about those Ryzen APUs.We have neither price, nor specs. We know they're supposibly coming out by the end of this year, but the rest is guess work build upon rumours and the few facts we have on the current R line up.

The thing is, if you only need something to check your emails and watch your movies/shows at 4k, the current offerings are quite sufficent. Also, the HTPC you buy now will probably last as long as your current TV; c'est-a-dire since 4k display is not even a standard diffusion resolution now, you have a favorable probability of getting some good mileage out of your PC.

For something that does light work, like a Home Theater, I really don't see any reason to wait.

>>59112581
yeah, the main use would be anime at 1080 and amazon prime at 4k, so not too much.

NUC or apu build? leaning apu mainly because of ipgu performance, but not really sure.

>>59112647

How much are you willing to spend?
Because, from what I can see, starting at around 300$ US any NUC sporting an i3 CPU and up will give you all you need.

If you wait now, you might get better performance. But you don't really need better performance for those tasks.

The only reason I would wait if I want the same perfomance for less than 300$.

Also, if you mostly just watch stuff, why not just get a chromecast ultra or Roku stick or whatever to send the media from your cellphone or tablet or computer to your TV. It's like 70$ or something.

What's the best and also most affordable 240-256 gb ssd?

Also why are the Samsung PRO ssds like 65% more?

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AMD Vega when ?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/cart/view.html/ref=nav_cart
I'm new to this thing, and tips?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Skylake-6400-Core-I5-Gaming-Pc-Computer-1tb-16Gb-GF-GTX-1050-2GB-Nova/142267926174?_trksid=p2054502.c100227.m3827&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908103841%26meid%3Dba205894913a402286482395b5edc61a%26pid%3D100227%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D9%26sd%3D332128562587

ANY GOOD??

>>59112987
Well you just linked us to our own amazon shopping carts.I also recommend newegg as they probably have most of that stuff cheaper.

>>59112987

Use pcpartpicker. Great for price comparaison and lots of other stuff.

>>59112925

After you spend at least four months volunteering in an homeless shelter, not a second before that.

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>>59113007
>>59113028
Alright thanks, got a pic and was just wondering if there is anything I should change

>>59112999
I'll be fully honest with you. That is completely average and a respectable price for the hardware involved. Here's the problem, a 1050 is not a good card. It's an average card. You'll be able to play new games in 1080p around 45 fps. 16 gb ram is the new average and that's good.

Cons

>No ssd
>Card will need an upgrade in 2 years
>processor will need an upgrade in probably three years

It's a starting point that is average for the time being.

>>59113061
I strongly recommend getting an i5. That card gets shat on a lot on this board but I own it and it's great. I can play Skyrim SE on 4k all ultra setting (except godrays) and I get 50-60 fps. I think newegg has better sales on monitors and mouses right now. I also advise against such a small case as they're a pain to clean and set up (personal preference).

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HFHdtJ
what the fuck am I doing

>>59113111
Thanks, what's a case that your recommend for someone who has never built a computer?

>>59113073
Thank you buddy.

>>59113114

That's a lot a hardware to fun post on French Culinary Forum.

How's about you tell us what you need all dem fancy tecknologer for?

>>59113168

Not him, but the Phanteks P400 is a great case to build in.

>>59112999
Basically what you're getting
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/
Assuming you're from the UK

>>59113245
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/RGDGtJ

Can I just ask about the PSU? Will it be sufficient enough for powering a more advanced graphics card. Let's say the gtx 1080

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>>59110728
>7700k
>high end

>>59113220
facebook
youtube
programming
240+ framerate fps games

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Hows this for a hobo-budget light gamer with good all around performance?

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>>59113060

>>59113278
Anyone else think its nuts that we've reached the point where a ~$500 build can have a dual core with hyperthreading, 500GB SSD, 8GB DDR4 and 4GB of VRAM?

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Should I get one 32in/27in 1440p Monitor or two 24in 1080p Monitors?

I'm usually in Photoshop but I do some video editing every now and then.

>>59110368
Holy shit your fans are better but not memeyer than Noctuas. Im getting rid of the ones on my build

>>59113344
1440p is just 1080p for bigger screens. Dont bother

>>59113344
2 24 for sure, 1 monitor is just so cramped for any creative shit

>>59113290

All google search gives me is that your image is from a game called Darkest Dungeon. Mind explaining your meme?

>>59113344
should aim 16:10 IPS for photo/video
16:9 for content editing is atrocious

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zcDtHN

Im pretty set on my build. Any past minute opinions/criticisms?

>>59113417
if you're going for open window build you definitely need more LEDs
if possible squeeze out extra buck for i7, i5 is not future proof now that video game makers will be optimizing their games for ryzen

>>59113417
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zcDtHN

Are you on an enterprise network? No real need for Pro. After the BS I went through with cooling i'd steer clear of EVGA (good customer service doesn't make up for fucked up cooling designs, go Gigabyte instead). Swap that PNY SSD for a samsung or intel, your board supports m.2 get yourself a m.2 ssd instead.

>>59113278
drop ssd, get 1050ti and i3 7100

>>59113417
Shop around if you absolutly want an intel CPU.
http://wccftech.com/intel-amd-price-war-ryzen-processors/

:^)

>>59113457
Tbhfam i really only got pro for remote access. Thanks for the other tips tho

>>59113417
First of all, whats your budget?

>>59110037
>>59111226
Late response but w/e.

Yeah, I'm a little upset about it, but it is the GPU pictured which was an off brand rebrander VisionTek.
That card in particular didn't have any reviews at the time, but the price was so appealing I went with it.
It never showed any problems until the day it just up and died, and I only ever OC it via AMD Settings and only for certain games which I've uninstalled (or turned off the OC) since.
Oh well, everyone's gotta pay some bullshit tax eventually.

>>59113457
>m.2(m)
>m.2(b+m)
What do the letters B+M mean?

>>59113417
Need a monitor?

>>59113511
It was originally $1000. I went a little overboard but I dont mind

>>59113417
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/grB2Z8
Take off that monitor if you want

>>59113535
Explained: https://rog.asus.com/articles/maximus-motherboards/buying-an-m-2-ssd-how-to-tell-which-is-which/

>>59113417
Buy a windows key off of kinguin for like $25. Never spend that much on an oem key

>>59108414
evo

>>59110020
Good site, I'm definitely bookmarking.
So, it looks like they're on par with each other, and the RX 480 looks to be even better in some cases.

That lines up with all the reviews I've been reading/watching. I think that's the new replacement card.

>>59113588
/g/ will crucify me for this but im just gonna use a spare 42 inch lcd tv for a while and buy a good monitor later

>>59109997
Anything?

>>59113862

If you want an X58 mobo with 12GB of RAM I can sell you one. You'd just need a Xeon processor.

>>59113793
What's wrong with it?
Ever since I used a TV as monitor I never went back to monitors, the only issue is finding a good/decent TV for PC (no horrendous input lag for gaming).
I first started with 32", 40", 50" and now 55" and looking forward for one day a 70"+ monitor.

>>59113621
Thank you

>>59114136
Ive never done it but /g/ has repeatedly told me that the resolution would be borderline unusable and my cheap hdmi will be too laggy to play any games other than minesweeper. Obviously i took that with a grain of salt and im still going forward lol

>>59113457
Is m.2 worth the extra money? I dont plan on booting that often and it looks like itll be an extra $50

>>59114256

The consensus I've seen is that m.2 isn't noticeably better than a regular SATA III SSD.

>>59114300
Theres some cheaper ones with horrible aesthetics. Not that i have the prettiest build anyway but i have kept it the same color scheme

>>59114345
Thats something that you can cheaply upgrade in 2-3 years when prices fall

is this good for 1080p max 60fps and maybe 1440p medium high 60fps?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YDHTVY

>>59114393

Get that fucking FX shit outta there.

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>>59114409
this good then?

>>59114457

You need DDR4 memory.

>>59114518
ok then anything else?

>>59114457
Dont be so easily spooked by the /g/hosts and /g/oblins. Take all advice here with a grain of salt or youll end up with a $3,500 amd machine in a titanium case

>>59114518
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QCT6Ps

>>59106029
Western Digital BTFO

>>59114560
ok my build is perfectly fine then?

>>59114587
I didnt even look. Just do lots of due diligence. Theres lots of good advice to be found here but lots of not so good

>>59114705
ok thanks

>>59114568
Fixed. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d8pfRG

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>i7 7700k
>Gigabyte 980gtx
>Samsung 850 pro sata
>EVGA supernova 750 p2
>G.SKILL 16GB DDR4 3000
>aorus z270 gaming 5

Can I play video games on this?

>>59114806
No you need a 1500w PSU, make absolutely sure it's from EVGA. And you need a better gaming motherboard.

>>59107119
It should be good. Worse case scenario is that your psu wont have all of the necessary cables for a modern pc.

>>59114806
Should be enough for Sims 2
Other than that, you may not want to go with meme components that aren't worth their money

>>59113792
I did a whole lot on Research on the 480s, and I suggest you going with the expensive Asus one, Power color or the MSI gaming x.
I've got the MSI gaming x and am satisfied with my purchase.

>>59114794
Get a B250 chipset if you are running Kaby Lake. Also, check what RAM hz your mobo supports and get that hz of RAM (usually just get the cheapest RAM at your preferred hz, unless you care about aesthetics). Get 2TB of storage and an SSD if you can. The RX 480 8GB is the better card and is cheaper so get that over the GTX 1060. Finally, check your power usage and then go at least Bronze certified or higher (I usually max out at Gold or so, but Silver is nice too).

>>59114901
I hear bad things about AMD like heat and driver issues. Also the 1060 is faster in DX 11.

Im debating on getting an M.2 ssd. Is there a site where I can compare speeds to see if its worth the extra $25?

>>59114946
The RX 480 is more future proof. More things will be in DX 12 in the future and the 480 outperforms the 1060 in DX 12. AMD has also done better in drivers since the 480 was first released.

>>59114888
How are any of those components meme parts?

>>59111601
Im surprised Microsoft hasnt gone out of their way to take that video down

so if i buy an rx 480 8gb will i be able to play games at 1080p for the next 4-5 years?

>>59115462

Ask again in 2022.

How can I archive a silent pc on the cheap?

hi /pcbg/
i currently have
gigabyte ga-dsr3 motherboard
intel core2quad q6600
6gb ram

i've had this for ~10 yrs now
i am starting to think about building a new box
what should i be looking for that will last me another good amount of years that has
>multiple sata (i have 5 drives currently)
>good/multiple usb support
>good video encoding/decoding (gpu/cpu wise)
>plenty of ram to last a few years of growing resource hungry programs like firefox, X/Wayland, KDE

this current system i have has outlived a lot of hdds, graphic cards, and other components, and it has lasted through several OSes and changes

what's comparable now, that I can get for let's say ballpark of 600$ tops?

main use is having firefox with lots of extensions open, video (watching, making, editing), and shooping on gimp?
mainly i'm looking for cpu/mobo/ram combo along with a basic case (ie as little LED as possible) that has plenty of connectors.

everything else would be a perk

>>59115951
oh and preferably as good as possible to run HQ/HD videos smoothly

>>59115597
lenovo minipcs (m700/800/900)
those things are quiet, small, unobtrusive and very nice, if you dont plan on doing much more than basic things with them including movie watching

>>59112323
If you're not gaming or doing anything else that's resource intensive (4K output doesn't count), no reason to wait.

Build mini-ITX G4560 + 8GB RAM setup

>>59115597
Low powered components. Depending on your usage requirements, you could get passive cooling.

>>59115462
Yes, but you'll have to sacrifice settings at the end of that time frame

>>59114993
>>59114946
They cards are almost equal. Flip a coin. Personally the 6GB 1060 is attractive if you're already paying ~$230 or so, otherwise save yourself some money and get the 4G 480

>>59114973
userbenchmark ssd

>>59114806
Not sure if troll, but why the fuck would you get a 980?

>>59114794
Need a Skylake CPU on hand to flash the BIOS or change to B250
Add 240GB SSD

>>59114560
Actually if you listen to me too much you'll just end up with a budget build

>>59114393
I repeat, do not buy the AM3+ platform except used

>>59113417
It's fine but the 1070 is overpowered for 1080p

>>59115951
You really want to wait another three months for the lower end Ryzen chips. If you want GPU accelerated rendering you'll likely just keep your old cards

>>59116085
>the 6GB 1060 is attractive if you're already paying ~$230 or so
Not the anon you are replying to, but I was planning on getting the Gigabyte GTX 1060 at first (which is $235 right now), but the FXF RX 480 ($245) or the MSI RX 480 ($230) look good too. Which should I get?

>>59115951

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L7WxkT

Should I overclock? I know next to nothing about pc building. But ive been having a lot of fun learning and researching this week for my first build. Is there a dramatic difference in performance? Is it too risky for a newbie? Id probably have to change my processor. Its probably overkill for a guy who just wants to shitpost and play a few AAA titles on his day off.

>>59116113
yes, I was planning on keeping GPUs, and updating them only if needed

>>59116085
I do think my gpu is overkill. But i want it as future proof as possible so I was told dump my extra budget into gpu. That seemed like sound advice and im right around budget with a 1070

>>59116141

Overclocking gives different amounts of gains depending on a hundred different factors but simply put if you have the hardware to do it it is free performance.

Its never worth upgrading just so you can overclock. Flipside is if you know how to overclock it can often save money where you buy a cheap(er) part and crank it up to perform like a more expensive version. This is why the FX 9370 and 9590 were pointless chips - by the time they were released basically every 8320 and 8350 could hit 4.7ghz-5ghz if you feed it enough juice and kept it cool.

Same generally applies to the gpu side of things but gpus tend to disable things to differentiate between skus.

>>59116134
is there a different cpu with hyperthreading and no integrated graphics? also motherboard doesnt support sli

>>59116212

>is there a different cpu with hyperthreading and no integrated graphics?

Yeah and they are expensive.

I'm giving away my 1150 4690k to my mom because I'm getting ryzen+am4 board and I need a new case for it.

Any cheap low profile case for a regular ATX case?

>>59116227
what's the best one that will stay on top for a while?

How important is to get a good mobo when building a PC?
I always looked for the bare minimum and cheapest mobo while trying to get high end gpus and cpus.

>>59116273
components matter, and bios matters if you plan on doing anything like overclocking
also the motherboard determines what/how many ports you get, and what/how many components you can add

>>59116209
Right now im planning on an i5 (no I dont want to wait for ryzen) I dont think it can be OCd its a 7500 not 7500k. I think this will be enough for my needs

>>59116247

Ryzen 1800x

>>59116212

If you want hyperthreading and SLI you need a Z270 board and an i7 at minimum IF you're sticking with Intel. And if you're getting an i7 and a Z270 board then you might as well get the unlocked version so you have can more power on tap down the road.

So that would be this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tzN3jc

Of course you can also go with a Ryzen build but the cheapest one is only a cunthair cheaper than the i7: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z2VJqk

>>59116273

A better motherboard will get you better results when overclocking. But if you consider what that extra performance costs, it's not really worth it.

It really comes down to how many features you need.

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>>59116333
>>59116343
great, i'll start some researching on these and saving some cash

>>59111601
>>59111564
>>59111517
I cant use kinguin i dont have a working pc to make the key

>>59116122
I'd say the 1060, provided it's the 6GB version.

>>59116191
That advice is bad. If you want a future proof component you spend on the CPU, because huge performance increases don't come every year, unlike GPUs. Ryzen won't be bringing extra gaming perf, just great value. If you want some super top notch no hassle gfx perf for the next few years, you'd get the 1070, but it won't last much longer than the 1060 at 1080p, considering they're only tier apart.

>>59116431
>provided it's the 6GB version.
It is, but just curious, why do you suggest the 1060? I've heard the 480 is more future proof.

>>59116452
The cards are too close in performance to matter

>>59116191
Thats pretty sound advice if youre a gamer. A mid tier cpu be enough to run everything but you can always make graphics prettier

>>59106029
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NgncVY
what do you guys think? I'm going to use my 290X for now, until I see the Vega performance numbers.
>inb4 assrock
it's the only 16 phase power design board right now and people have said good things about the Taichi x99 board

trying to stick around $1k
pretty hard on my machines
lay your comments and criticism on me

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/drrTVY

>>59116741
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/drrTVY
if you aren't using the Wifi, I rcommmend using the M.2 slot for an SSD rather than SATA

>>59116900
thanks. i'm going this route because i'm curious how optane shakes out. i know i can get good use out of the evo regardless

Some guy recommended me this, comments? I know next to nothing about actual parts, and haven't since back in 2006.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7xxXd6

Buy i5 now or just wait for Ryzen 1600x?

>>59117236
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dxVJqk

Fixed that piece of shit and turned it into something relatively okay.

>buying kaby lake or skylake without a mobo that can support OC
>any PSU other than SeaSonic (lol)

>>59117273
Why not wait?
Prices may be cheaper or you could get a better cpu for a cheaper price.

>>59117273

Wait. If the 8 core chips are anything to go buy the lower core counts will be extremely disruptive price wise.

>>59117374
I had a feeling the dude was quite a shitter.

>relatively okay
Are you being modest now, or are there actual improvements to be made to the build? If everything going smoothly, I'd like to order all my parts tomorrow or the day after.

Is there are any fitting 144hz, 32 inch monitor that doesn't more than 600 hard-earned dollars?? I do a lot of design work, and having a large screen helps.

>>59116638
>>59116431
So is the advice good or bad?

>>59117236

Terrible.

Here's something that at the very least lives up to the 1080: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Lf3jc

>>59117541
How about this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KkdB7h
Im kind of worried my cpu will bottleneck the 1080

You guys might get these questions all the time these days so I apologize per advance.

I plan on buying a new computer (mid-high) in the next few weeks, so far I decided I would go with :

i5 6500 or 7500
+
AMD Radeon RX 470 or 480 (8GO)

I noticed the i5 7500 was just 10€ more expensive than a 6500 for being generally a little less than 10% more efficient. I think it'd be worth getting the 7500 but one of the websites I go to was saying how the i5 7500 was not compatible with Windows 7 because Kaby Lake - is true? If yes, why?
If it's not true and I still get the choice between both, would I really be losing by getting the 6500?

Regarding the RX, depending on the model I noticed versions with only 4GO and others with 8GO but with no price differences. Why is that? I should aim for a 8GO version, right?

I can't afford Windows 10 nor I want it because I like my Windows 7. Are there any compatibility problems I should be looking for upon putting the disk into my future newly built computer? My Windows 7 is cracked, it's an ultimate version, never had problem installing it before on multiple computers.

Is there something I should be careful regarding the motherboard I buy?

Last question : how are Ryzen builts so far? I'm especially interested in their performances compared to the i5 6500/7500. Honestly I'd like to buy intel but I don't necessarily close the door to AMD, so everything is possible still. Thanks for reading.

Guys how do i make my pc sexy

>>59117567

> i5 7500 was not compatible with Windows 7 because Kaby Lake - is true? If yes, why?

Its not that it doesn't work on win 7 - its that it doesn't get support on win 7. This does mean some features of the chip will not work (you'll have to research the specifics).

Would a Intel i5 4460+gtx 1060 3gb be a big improvement to my pre built toaster i5 2320+ gtx 570?
Want to keep it as cheap as possible so I'm still not so sure about buying a i5 7500 which is only 30 bucks more. Does the older i5 still have some longevity to it?

>>59117618
Thanks, I'm reading about it at the moment. Still I might end up being in favor of the 6500 just to be safe then.

The i5 6500 (Skylake) is fine with Windows 7, right?

>>59117567
>My Windows 7 is cracked, it's an ultimate version, never had problem installing it before on multiple computers.
C-can you explain how you do this? Where you got it?

>>59117820
Honestly I don't remember, it was a very long time ago, probably TPB or something. The crack is old though, I'll have to see if there's an updated one out there.

You burn it on a CD and that's it.

>>59117859
I've heard horror stories where it stops working after a month.

>>59117889
I built the very computer I'm using to type this message to you 7 years ago from now (still have the bill right here, January 2010), is using said cracked Windows 7, fully updated and never had any problems whatsoever.

Maybe I got was lucky?

>>59117945
I hope so. I'm building a computer in two months and forced to use pirated Win 7 since they don't sell it anymore. Does it have to be a CD or can you use a USB?

>>59117889

Thats because people are retarded - I used a cracked version of win 7 to upgrade to win10 during the free period MS had.

>>59117992
I wouldn't use Win 10 for free though.

>>59117541
>>59117553

Now you guys are just fucking my hopes and dreams up, and I can't even pinpoint the act.

what is the deal with WIndows 10 on amazon people are saying its fake.

>>59117989
No idea sorry. 2010 was the last time I built anything and the last time I was interested in anything related to PC building.

In all honesty I'm myself a bit anxious about building a new one, almost tempted to buy overpirced Windows 10 and ask the site I'll order to to build everything for me, but if I do that it's going to cost me 250€ more or something.

Is asus a good brand for gpu? Has good reviews

new thread when

>>59118366
Not the STRIX for AMD cards

>>59114256
NVME drives may be worth your money, the speed is like 3-4x better but like you said, it's already plenty fast
>>59114300
NVME is much better than SATA

>>59114806
My friend has this exact build
Yes

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>>59114973
Samsung 950 and 960 pro are the only NVME drives you should even consider (at the moment)
If you can't afford a 950 pro, just buy a 2.5" SATA SSD

>>59116141
It's very significant, and very low risk. If you bought the hardware to overclock, do it.
Clock speeds is one of the VERY few CPU specs left that actually benefits EVERYTHING you do
Took my cinebench score from 650 up to 750 and my normal fps in forza from 65ish up to 75ish

>>59118408

Not in day-to-day use.

>>59118532

NVME is only good (compared to SATA) for the write speeds - something the most plebs on /g/ don't need.

That said i'm considering NVME for my upcoming build because I have a million hard drives and NVME frees up sata - I don't care if it eats some pcie lanes. My only concern is how friendly windows plays with nvme as a boot drive.

>>59118532
Are you saying it's not 3-4x faster than an SSD in day to day usage? Because if you ever copy a file during the day, it is
It is faster, there's no arguing that, its just not as noticable compared to a SATA SSD if you're not transferring large files back and forth
I would post my SATA SSD, non-Samsung NVME and my Samsung NVME for comparison but they're already posted. If you're copying large files from drive to drive the extra seconds shaved off can help
But a SATA SSD is more than enough for just "having a snappy system"

>>59118686
It's nearly triple the sequential read AND write speeds as SATA SSD, with well over double the random performance
NVME ate up 2 of my SATA express lanes as well as 4 PCIe ones
Windows 10 will boot NVME on basically any modern motherboard, the problems and/or boot delay usually involves Windows 7 or outdated BIOS'es

The fuck is with the latest RX 480 drivers? Shit just disables my GPU since apparently AMD forgot to sign them as official drivers.

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Can someone post an updated version?

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>Windows 10
>Check "automatically search for and install updates and drivers"
No need to be mad

How much will the 1080ti cost realistically? Will it price drop the 1080? I'm about to pull the trigger on a R7 1700 + GTX 1080 build and I'm wondering whether or not I should wait until Tuesday for the 1080Ti launch

>>59118944
Are you playing games at 4K?
If not, save yourself the $300-500 and stick with the 1080
Or if you're at 1440p and are okay with dipping down to 70 fps every now and then, save $250 more than that and get a 1070

I'm looking to build something soon, but I'm not really looking to game on it. I want to be able to run several VMs at any given time. Maybe a video card since I'd like it to power a pair of monitors and maybe a 40" tv as well. What processors should I be looking at?

>>59118966
You want muh cores
Fall for the ryzen meme

>>59113061
Get a decent chair. You're going to be sitting on it for a long time. It should be comfortable.

This isn't the best, but it's a lot better than that.

https://www.amazon.com/Essentials-Leather-Executive-Office-Computer/dp/B01B4AOVVS/

>>59118449
>>59118408
Thanks

>>59119000
You don't think a quad would be good enough?

Will my gpu be bottlenecked?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KkdB7h

>>59119000

>Get a decent chair.

This is probably the 2nd most important thing in a PC build. If you are sitting for hours at a time good buttock support is important.

My chair at work is a piece of shit but my chair at home is a rather expensive (well, it was when new) executive chair with excellent lower back support.

Top tip: find out if you have any office surplus sellers near where you live - you can get some good deals on expensive gear if you are willing to tolerate scuff marks and other visual damage.

>>59119136
That's not how it works

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>>59119140
My mom bought me a chair without wheels a few years ago. They don't understand what we do. Never let other people buy you furniture.

when is the best possible time to invest in a new parts?

its overpriced on release

when price starts to drop its already outdated

its getting worse every year because of how technology is moving forward

it drains me

>>59119295
Black Friday and Christmas have the best deals.

I personally buy used parts because I don't care about having the best performance. I bought a used GTX 960 for $120 last year and I'm very happy with the performance. I could have bought a new RX 460 for the same price at that time, but the performance wouldn't have been as good.

can someone offer some feedback? >>59119291

>>59116430

You can't ask a friend or or family to borrow his computer?
You could also try the local library or an internet Cafe.
All you need is to find a computer you can use for less than an hour, get inventive Anon.

>>59111440
>sacrificing build quality to "buy a game or two"

you know you can get them for free right?

>>59111483
>im too poor to buy a good pc so i'll just ragepost jealously on /g/ using my toaster

new thread >>59120066