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BSD: Not even viruses werk.

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>>59100831
>Windows
Can't live without viruses because everybody finds exploits on pajeet ridden piece of a shit os

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>>59101224

>>59101224
That should be a quick spell

>>59102070

>GNU in the loo

>cuck license
No thx

>>59102282
>knowingly release software under a permissive license
>cuck
???????

I'm sure you've written tons of software to even worry about that.

>>59102622
>>59102282 is actually Richard Stallman, so he's definitely written a ton of really important software and not just rewritten emacs and gotten GNU onto the coat-tails of Linux despite not being able to write a proper kernel himself, and he definitely had an effect on the world of propriatary printers which were the reason why he created GPL in the first place, because propriatary printers definitely don't exist anymore.

>>59100831
but the C programming language, which the BSDs use for system programming, is portable

>>59102853
Actually, proprietary printers do exist. Do you have an open-source printer made solely of open-source hardware and open-source software? No.
Software is only as free as the hardware it runs on.

>>59103153
Oh, I was being entirely sarcastic in that post. RMS is a fucking joke.

Speaking of printers, is there an decent alternative to .pdf files?
I don't have an internet connection on my BSD system and don't want to really install adobe just to use PDF's that I'm not going to print ever.

>>59105379
Just use some open-source PDF reader?

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>>59102881
If it's so portable then why can't I run it on Windows?

>>59105414
It's not about the type of reader. I just don't want PDF files. Is the best bet just trying to re-arrange them as lower res .jpeg files?

>what the FUCK is posix

>>59105467
Like it's not a great machine, less complex files = better.
pdf's are complex files and will eat the battery quicker. I want to try and keep it to running as a terminal as much as possible without GUI and only opening gui for specific applications.

>>59105458
you can but nobody does because NT isn't from the 1970s

>>59100831
The GPL is superior to the BSD licenses. BSD licenses are more free than, say, the Microsoft license. But they still allow software devs to walk all over you and make decisions for you.

>>59105531
so instead we get really the really elegant and simple windows api!

>>59101173
FPBP

does this black man have something to do with *BSD?

install hardened bsd

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>>59106987
what does it offer?

>>59100831
MacOS proves you wrong.

>>59107020
source

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>>59107123
https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php

>>59107176
what does bsd place?

>>59105559
No, the GPL allows developers to abuse users, the MIT license gives users and developers freedom.

>>59105379
.txt .ps (postscript) .djvu dejavu

>>59107208
can't see by yourself

>>59111236
Of course they can't, they're too stupid.

>>59107176
What are you trying to accomplish by only showing public verified exploits? Even hello world in C or C++ can contain buffer overflows if you're a bad enough programmer

You cannot solve a problem with people (ie. that they produce insecure code) by use of technology alone.

>>59106963
I have that tattoo

>>59111479
>break their hands with a hammer
A hammer is technology.

why even use BSD?

>>59112010
When gnu/linux is too mainstream for you but you are not hip enough for haiku/plan9/reactOS

>>59112010

Linux is too mainstream

>>59111971
I like the cut of your jib.

>>59112037
I can only speak for myself, but when I was trying out alternative to Windows in 2001, I found FreeBSD to be faster, more stable and better documented than Debian, and I've been using it ever since.

>>59111236
BSD has no browsers.

>>59113477
>I can only speak for myself, but when I was trying out alternative to Windows in 2001, I found FreeBSD to be faster, more stable and better documented than Debian, and I've been using it ever since.

I'm trying to shitpost here m8.
But seriously, I'd like to try OpenBSD. It seems like a decent server OS.

>>59113784
I've run OpenBSD on my router for the past 11 years.

>>59102070
based

>>59113813
did you get hacked?

>>59114730
No, why would I have been?
Any sufficiently determined hacker can break into any system; I run OpenBSD because its base install is quite secure even compared to other operating systems.

>>59112010
Wanting to learn a bit about the OS
Apparently there are debian distro's that have the bsd kernel with gnu on top of it so you can have gnu/bsd instead of gnu/linux too

>>59114907
I know the one guy who still uses Debian/kFreeBSD.

>>59114883
But since you run BSD it's normal to get hacked. It's really insecure compared to say, windows server 2003. You are kind of hurting yourself bro.

>>59100831
Will BSD remove kebab?

>>59115391
I was thinking of getting it.
I really haven't done much with Freebsd yet but ultimately I already know I'm just going to primarily add gnu software on it anyway.
FreeBSD has a lot of easily accessible documentation. So being able to modify the kernel and chop out stuff on my own without asking anyone any question seems a lot easier than with linux.

>>59107020
Sorry to disappoint you, but FreeBSD (whose kernel macOS is based on) is in the very bottom on that list. Try again lad.

>>59107176
Linux Kernel has been more raped than Windows since 2009, except for 2011, let alone operating systems that use that piece of shit kernel.
Really makes you think.

>>59115710
I know. It's almost as though, as an OS gains more features/usability it becomes more vulnerable. Who would of thought? Look at FreeBSD. It's unusable shit and it's pretty secure. As a side note, check out how many of the most serious vulns in Linux are related to Nvidia.

>>59115833
Also, Android get's thrown in there a bit, too.

>>59115392
I know you're baiting me, so lemme just say this: kek.

>>59115593
Well, that's not strictly speaking true. macOS is based on the XNU kernel with some Mach that still remains, where all I know that's left from Darwin (which Apple forked from FreeBSD) is the network stack (one of the best, if not the best, in the world), the process model and the VFS.

>>59115833
Except, of course, that a majority of the internets mail servers run on FreeBSD, FreeBSD is used by Netflix for (close to) 100Gbps per server for their CDN, is the platform for NASAs new 100Gbps firewall built with commodity hardware, and that its growth rate based on machine install base mirrors that of Linux - the only reason more people have heard about Linux is that when Linux was launched, BSD was still tied up in lawyer-land, before they forked the open parts of the code and rewrote the 8 pieces of UNIX code the lawyers were fighting over.

>>59115833
have you considered that you're shit and that its not the os?

>>59100831
>Can't get a virus if no one knows how to write software for your operating system.

Exactly! It's just like switching to a different genetic code. I wonder why no one has tried that before...

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>when your mascot is so cool it causes people to get mad jealous for over 20 years

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>>59117327
>when the Christians come for your bootloader ascii art because it's too spicy

>>59117170
>Except, of course, that a majority of the internets mail servers run on FreeBSD, FreeBSD is used by Netflix for (close to) 100Gbps per server for their CDN, is the platform for NASAs new 100Gbps firewall built with commodity hardware, and that its growth rate based on machine install base mirrors that of Linux - the only reason more people have heard about Linux is that when Linux was launched, BSD was still tied up in lawyer-land, before they forked the open parts of the code and rewrote the 8 pieces of UNIX code the lawyers were fighting over.
There was also video game consoles running it. But that's more to do with the license for using it. Which is also part of why I went with it myself. It's great for what it is and if I could ever give back something important it would be worth it. But in terms of just using it I have less obligation about what I do with it personally than with a linux kernel.

>>59115833
>Claims mac has so many vulnerabilities due to more features and usability
Are you some dumb liberal Jew or something?

>>59118036
Yes, and I use BSD.We're coming for you, boys!

>>59100831
But then you don't have any software either

>>59117281
Yes, but the OS insists otherwise.

>>59115833
ps4 and ps3 run on freebsd and are really fucking popular with millions of units sold. It took a long time for shit to happen to them and people are still having trouble with it

>>59105961
it's theo de raadt

>>59117483
You mean PS3 and PS4? Sure. Apples iOS team also took in a lot of the kernel because they couldn't make head or tails of XNU+Mach, which has since caused the macOS team to reevaluate if they shouldn't just abandon XNU+Mach and unify the kernel in macOS and iOS, which would mean that macOS would actually become FreeBSD.
iOS is, I believe, the largest deployment of FreeBSD.

>>59118373
No shit? I figured smart phones would be the best application for a microkernel and be the only real driving force for making it work for larger hardware things like laptops or desktops eventually.

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>install openbsd
>firefox insanely slow, videos play at 2 fps
>install netbsd
>firefox reasonable speed, videos play at normal fps

Why is openbsd so shit?

>>59118671
I don't really know but could it be because netBSD has compatible drivers for you that weren't generic?

It's a real question.

>>59118671
use freebsd, you now only 5 people use openbsd/netbsd right?

>>59113492
>what is lynx

>>59118671
openbsd is better as server os. any gui things will be terrible on it

>>59118631
FreeBSDs kernel is only 97MB, iirc - considering that a modern smartphone has +1GHz and 4GB memory and MLC SSD, that's not exactly microkernel territory.

>>59119214
The GENERIC kernel is 97MB, it can be stripped of every unnecessary device driver and module that you don't need for targeting specific platforms.

>>59119254
And be built with microarchitecture optimizations and -O3 for the hell of it, although all that will only give you a 2-5% preformance boost, and it'll produce larger binaries that are harder to debug.

>>59119214
In practice a smart phone has a great processor and memory/ram
In theory it's one of the smallest scaled sized versions of a pc and a minimal kernel could use less resources for less battery drain and heat generation in the device. At least to a laymen like me it seems like it'd be a bit better than a monolithic kernel for minimalism. A mono kernel can be cut down but a micro kernel seems more efficient for a device that doesn't really need a whole lot of process types running at the same time or at all like that. If it started out in smaller system that will never really run larger complex applications it seems like it'd be easier for it to scale up to systems that do eventually.

>>59119745
so micro wins?

>>59119254
>stripped of every unnecessary device driver
what drivers? bsds have no drivers, everyone knows that

>>59119185
>openbsd is slower as server os
ftfy

>>59119871
I don't know, I might of been exaggerating my knowledge of the subject by claiming to be a layman. I just went with a monolithic kernel for my own pc.
I'm just convinced people are going to keep experimenting with the microkernel design, sounds like it's going to be slow if no major corporations are working on a workable product involving it if apples drops xnu+mach then a lot of work involving microkernels is probably not going to speed up anytime soon.

>BSD thread

>82 comments

>38 posters

It's that autistic fag again, isn't it?

>>59120489
OP?

Join #BAOT on Rizon for a slightly less autistic BSD discussion.

>>59100831
Can't get a virus if you're not retarded.

>>59105494
Are you on a fucking 486? Rendering PDFs is hardly an intensive task.

>>59105458
>t. too retarded to install mingw

>>59100831
Security through obscurity. Meanwhile your OS can't run any applications so you might as well be using pen and paper to do your work and kill yourself in the process.

>>59101173
#rekt

>>59120701
Adobe pdf's are notoriously system heavy and actually have been an intensive task for most computers ever made

>>59118631
the best application for microkernels is for shit that should NEVER EVER break

So I hear that Mac OS/iOS is "based on freeBSD". If Apple can do it, why hasnt anyone else made a decent/similar (Is GUI the right term? User interface?) OS from it? Mac OS was alright to me it seems, at least not awful.

>>59120618
>less autistic
>the irc is just a discussion about anime

yeah sure

>>59102881
nope senpai.
Go look at a BSD virus, compare it with a Linux virus.
They rely on system calls, which are kernel-dependent, and on the ELF format which varies slightly between unix systems.
virus are the least portable of C programs

>>59121668
viruses*

>>59121668
i'm pretty sure the actual system calls themselves are the same, wouldn't be POSIX otherwise

they're implemented differently, that's for sure

>>59100831
>Can't get a virus if no one knows how to write software for your operating system.

... and that's exactly why I use TempleOS.

>>59121173
So it's the best application for everything then?

>>59121668
ELF I'm surprised there is a wikipage I don't have bookmarked yet
If it's not an exploit toward the kernel, which all of them in every OS ever probably have a zero day problem exactly = to the amount of lines of code it the library has. C is very portable if you're running bash on BSD and bash on linux the code is probably going to be portable or if there is compatibility in the programs. I'm just starting to learn C a little bit and it claims to be very portable, since most of these systems are written in it I think it's a very verifiable claim.

>>59121758
It has god's protection.

>>59102160
underrated

>>59122627
c is portable in a 1980s sense. portable at this point means *nix nothing else.

>>59123764
c is vad

No reason to run GNU/kFreeBSD
The best part of BSD is that it doesn't have a GNU userland.

>>59119185
Not true. I use it as my desktop.

>>59100831
>bsd has the fastest network stack and it so portable it runs everywhere
but cannot run on linksys wrt routers unlike openwrt/mcdebian

>>59120135
Yeah, no drivers at all: https://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/CURRENT/hardware/support.html - and that doesn't even mention the drm-next branch of head, nor does it mention the amdgpu driver - both of which are probably going to hit 11.1.

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>>59100831
How did you become so smart?