Why aren't you using the most powerful text editor?

>>59071707
I don't have the 100 bucks required to buy it.

Because my .emacs has bitrotted beyond repair and I'm too lazy to do anything about it.

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>>59071707

Because I am not a flaming homosexual (traps are ok) and I use a real editors like VS Code and Sublime.

>>59071707

I am. vi.

>>59071908
Is it true that vi users can't blindtype? Cause vi keys make no sense while blindtyping.

>>59071899
Just accept the fact that you swing both ways and move on with your life. Having a specific preference for what kind of guy you'd fuck is still wanting to fuck a guy. It's not like people don't have preferences with girls as well. I accepted it, and I'm still alive.

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>switch to GNU + Linux
>Try vim, don't like it
>Try Emacs, don't like it
>Install Wine and run Notepad++ as my text editor
>NP++ is GPL, so I still get to enjoy my freedoms
>make other GNU/Linux users mad with my choice of an editor written for Windows

are there any good versions on windows?

>>59071707

It's a thing from the past. You don't need anything other than nano/gedit and office. Most people don't even need more than Google drive.

>>59071707
Who the fuck cares?

>>59071707

My MBP doesn't have an escape button.

>>59072037
What does that have to do with Emacs?

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I am thanks

>>59072169
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But I am using Subl

>>59072433
He's trolling. No one is that stupid to unironically use Notepad++. Such a person would have to be dumber than vim users, and that's mathematically impossible.

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>>59071707
I am thanks

>>59071707
because I can't shitpost with vim

> He doesn't use Kate

kiss yourself desu fampais.

>>59071707
Great development environment, now if only it had a good text editor.

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>>59071707
What if I am?

>>59071707
Because every plugin for emacs is a massive dysfunctional hack, the basic functions are ill-thought out and will never be fixed, and the keybinds are pure cancer.

1- for example, geyser will hang the entire emacs at random (i.e. long after the latest evaluation has terminated) and the server will hang all the time for no discernible reason. C-c C-c C-c does absolutely nothing in that situation.

2- (also a continuation of 1-) for example, when opening a window such as for help topic, a previous window is killed and the layout is generally fucked completely. There are only two valid ways to deal with this: popwin (which is a broken piece of shit: it doesn't work for all basic emacs windows -- *meta-help*, as I recall, as an example --, and needs extra setup for each additional plugin on top of that) or that native, disabled-by-default function to undo/redo window state history (which is cumbersome and still doesn't help you deal with the momentary death of your window layout). Additionally, it's very hard (don't know if it's actually possible) to determine WHICH window will be overwritten this way, if any (sometimes a window is split in two instead, but the split must manually be closed anyway so the same problem exists to a lesser extent).

3- evil-mode is a joke and doesn't support shit. Hell, despite emacs' extreme reliance on non hjkl movements, it doesn't support arrow keys for most compound commands where vim would support them. Additionally it has fuckall support for buffer operations and batch operations in general, and has very poor support for most special-edit commands (e.g. in the style of oOaAiI) or window operations, nevermind the fact it has no tabs; and again needs special setup for each additional plugin in use.

>>59071707
Because I am most efficient with vim. Evil mode doesn't work very well, either.

>>59071707
I'm not a programmer so what use would a regular joe like me have for emacs on GNU/Linux.

>>59073888
org-mode

>>59074165
If there was a legitimate standalone org-mode, there would never be any reason to use emacs.

Because If I want a texteditor, I would use one and not a fucking semi-operating-system

Escape Meta Alt Control Shift

Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping

It's a pretty good operating system, it's just missing a decent text editor.

>>59071994
>don't like it
That's your problem and your loss, not the other way round.

>>59071908
>vi
>most powerful
perl is better than that shit.

>>59073489
>when I install malware my OS crashes
That sounds like PEBCAK

>>59074169
A legitimate standalone org-mode would be Emacs. Just like how whoever does not understand Lisp is doomed to reinvent it poorly, any text editor that does not understand Emacs is doomed to reinvent it poorly.

Vim? Getting Neovim, which is just a poor implementation of Emacs with Lua instead of Emacs Lisp. Atom? Just a poor implementation of Emacs with JS instead of Emacs Lisp.

>>59074694
>emacs is malware which is why you should install emacs because it's the best but all its flaws are caused by it because it's malware which means it's not emacs' fault but rather the user's!
And that's why emacs has exactly zero (0) chance to ever get better.

>>59074731
>A legitimate standalone org-mode would be Emacs.
>needing that much bloat for just org-mode
"No".
> any text editor that does not understand Emacs is doomed to reinvent it poorly.
My sides split on an atomic level, ending the world. This is now a parallel universe.

>>59071908
>he doesn't use ed

>>59074799
vi has ed-mode, it's just a superset of ed.

Where's emacs waifu when you need her

I do use Vim.

>>59074810
>using bloated vi when ed would suffice
>he needs to see his file in reat time to edit it like a child

>>59074876
actually I use vi because it has less bugs than ed.

>>59071924
That's retarded, it's not like it's a different keyboard, you can blind type equally well.

t. vim user who blind types

>>59071924
Literally wot?

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>>59071707

Because it's a gigantic pile of lisp scripts that don't play well with each other. I used it in anger a few years ago. Never again.

Here's a fun example. Pictured is what you get when you attempt to mix whitespace and autocomplete. What other editor mistakenly thinks that an autocomplete dropdown is whitespace and tries to decorate it?

This isn't even the worst of it - I've actually run into situations where the spacing below the dropdown was peculiar enough to where entire rows of the dropdown would just be missing, with the tab characters or whatever on a black background in its place.

This is just one of many problems I used to run into on a daily basis, the most easily reproducible at least. For bonus points, notice how the tabstop right below the main function declaration is completely fucked. Emacs isn't smart enough to recognize that when you print a tab in the last column before a tabstop, you don't need to actually print the tab after the symbol. In a good editor, that red tab isn't there.

>>59071707
Because I just want to sit and edit text, not rice/config for hours to end a simple text editor.
>tfw acme

>>59071994
How is np++ any different than gedit?
Honest question, I've never used np.

I am using both op.
vim when I want to open something fast and edit. Otherwise I use spacemacs as a LISP machine for what it is, I use it as my IDE and it is a porable IDE for every single language. Does not beat visual studio though, only thing I will give credit to microsoft.

>>59073489
>it has no tabs

What is buffers?
You can switch between buffer with C-x arrow left or right.

It is bascially tabs, no difference at all.

>>59074933
>those xbox hueg window controls

holy shit

>>59075096
No no, the modern code artisan needs actual tabs that you can look at and click on and drag around.

>>59074731
>Just like how whoever does not understand Lisp is doomed to reinvent it poorly
>any text editor that does not understand Emacs is doomed to reinvent it poorly.
This has to be by far the most hilarious thing I've read on /g/

>>59075088
I don't remember if gedit support plugins, and if it does, I don't know if it has as many as NP++.
Other than that, it's pretty much the same.

>>59074933
User error, fuck off.

>>59074933
>Mix together random scripts
>WHY DOES IT HAVE UNPREDICTABLE BEHAVIOR

>>59075264
>>Mix together random scripts
>what is M/ELPA but a bunch of random scripts
>hey look at the "functionality" you can add
lel

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>>59075291
>Install community-developed scripts for a program
>Don't bother to check if they'll cause incompatibility or maybe even are just written but retards
>WOW WTF THIS IS SHIT WHY ISNT EVERYTHING PERFECT

>>59075313
Exactly the reason I rather use SublimeText. None of the plugins I've ever installed has stepped in each others toes. And it all took less than 2 literal minutes

>>59075340
It's almost like you're using a paid product with proper support.

>>59075358
I know right, and it's free as in free beer.
Who would have thought random people could actually write decent code?

>>59074933
why would you ever use the autocomplete package?

company-mode is miles better and fixed this error ages ago.

Yes, I sperged out over my emacs config for a few weeks when I got started, but everything since then has been problem-free.

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>>59071707
because I'm afraid microsoft has a cyberpunk esque corporate agent squad that will raid my moms house and go after me or her computer if i install freeware on their os

>>59075313
>maybe even are just written but retards
Anyone that writes a text editor that causes him RSI is a full retard.

>>59075406
>freeware
are you shitting me

>>59075419
No my dude people get pissed when you get free stuff. It's like if my girlfriend asks you for a cigarette and you give her one because she's pretty, then she immediately hands it to me.

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>>59075385

> company-mode

My googling says that you're either lying or this is a bug that they have fixed without fanfare. I have not seen a single screenshot of the two modes coexisting.

>>59075264

Yeah, how dare I mix the official whitespace mode with the most popular auto-complete package.

>>59075246

> fuck off.

Don't worry, I fucked off from emacs a long time ago. Now I use good editors.

>>59071707
Because it takes too long to start up, even with emacsclient

>>59075591
>he doesn't load emacs at startup
What's it like not being a cuck?

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>>59075385

> company-mode is miles better and fixed this error ages ago.

If you're going to lie, tell a lie that I can't debunk with like five minutes of effort.

>>59075591
What ae you even talking about?

For me emacs loads in an impervievable amount of time.

I can't imagine you have shittier hardware than my $150 thinkpad

>>59075406

> private browsing mode on a non-porn board.

>>59075756
I don't go to porn websites, anon.
Pornography is exploitative of the sex workers, ruins their chances at any real professional job, normalizes weird unrealistic porn stuff like gang bangs and bukkake which probably just helps spread diseases, most of it is rather nausea inducing.
It should probably just be banned.

>>59075667
>Leave broken scripts enabled
>Take another screenshot
>LMAO WHY DOESNT IT WORK

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>using autism editor that needs foot pedals a gearstick and a steering wheel to use

>>59074731
>Vim? Getting Neovim, which is just a poor implementation of Emacs with Lua instead of Emacs Lisp. Atom? Just a poor implementation of Emacs with JS instead of Emacs Lisp.

Unfortunately GNU Emacs in turn is just a poor implementation of Emacs. Although in its defence, that's due to hardware limitations of 1980s Unix systems, it just hasn't kept up.

On the other hand, with all the people accusing it of being bloated now, imagine what they would say if there was an entire Common Lisp system with compiler and debugger needed to run it?

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>>59075823
i'm dying

>>59071994
have you tried SciTE? it is based on Scintilla as well

>>59075035
Acme seems fine but I cannot get used to this heavy mouse use.

>>59075857
What is a good Emacs implementation then?

>>59077067
Zmacs

>>59072169
garbage

>>59075967
Bye.

>>59077016
Or Geany.

>>59079195
Unfortunately I don't have a Lisp Machine or an Alpha processor.

>>59071707
Because I'm not editing text right now. I do use either mg or Emacs when I do though.

Linus uses an emacs called microemacs. What does /g/ think of it.

>>59075096
>buffers
>even remotely replacing tabs
Emacstards everybody!
>evil doesn't do what it claims to be
>who cares who needs the features that make vim objectively superior to emacs in literally every way except plugin language!
And that's why emacs will never be relevant outside org-mode.

>>59079703
Vim is for cucks who give money to african nations, nu-male.

>>59075650
Did you even read his post?
>emacstards

that's not Vim though

>>59079722
Enacs is for cucks who give money to hilary clinton, reddit.

>>59079748
You made that up while vim literally wants you to give money to niggers because it's donationware. You're a pathetic nu-male cuck.

>>59079793
literally rm's emails and the fsf site. Fuck off shill.

>>59079812
http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/uganda.html#donate
Hurry up cuck, Jamal and his 16 nigger siblings need their welfare money.

>>59073201
>15gb text editor
Sad that emacs still does more.

>>59079841
fsf.org
Hurry up cuck, Jamal and his 16 14 years old tanned german friends need their welfare money and if you don't pay up, the fsf will do it on your behalf!

>>59079879
I don't care what fsf does cuck because emacs never asked me to give money to niggers.

>>59079529
Yes, what bugs me is that even though modern hardware is faster and more capable than the LispM by a factor of a gorillion, much of our software is still stuck with the mindset that it's still running on a 68k workstation or a VAX.

There is Climacs for McClim, and the latter has been picking up steam lately, but it's far from usable yet.

>>59079971
Climacs seems to be a promising project.

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>>59071707
i am.

>>59079847
VSCode != VStudio

>>59074342
Why do you hate Vim?

>>59075667
Your problem is that you're using Putty. Of course shit's going to fuck up if you use Windows' CMD.exe to render ncurses shit over ssh on a linux box.

Get a native Emacs client, and ssh into the computer from there. Stop trying to use Emacs as if it was Vim and you will have a better time.

Your life will improve measurably.

>>59079703
> Buffers are inferior to tabs

Are you mentally challenged?

One scales until you have enough tabs to cover your screen, and at that point, good fucking luck.

The other lets you use your keyboard effectively, browsing and opening them by autocompleting their names.

It's clear that you just don't like them because you're a retard that wants to click on things. You deserve to be stuck with Notepad++.

>>59080652
Isn't VS Code like Atom? Why would you want to use a browser as a text editor?

>>59073888
Try running in tty mode. If you ever want to learn how to make your shell work for you, you are going to need an editor.

Sounds like you're just downloading a gui on top of your linux every time instead of trying to do things at a lower level on the system.

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>>59080972
Why would you want to use a Tetris player as a text editor?

>>59082173
Why wouldn't you want your text editor to be able to play Tetris?

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>>59082224
Because there are many different dedicated Tetris games out there that I don't need to include it in my text editor.

>>59082252
Then don't use it. It by no means hampers the text editor's ability to edit text.

>>59071707
I use Guile Emacs https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GuileEmacsBuild

It's pretty awesome, no more weird Emacs lisp to write modules in, everything can be done in scheme now. It's not fully ready yet by that meaning there's tons of packages for Emacs that haven't been ported but I ported all the important ones I use like Magit and HiLock

>>59082349
mg sounds like it'd be more your style.

>>59082268
It would be better as a separate extension; the problem is that Emacs ships with a ton of stuff that has nothing to do with text editing, including a built-in archive manager when most Linux distros already come with one.

It's like an operating system inside an operating system, and while I'm sure that concept may vibe with a couple of people, it has also probably created more Vim users than we know.

>>59082384
You really don't understand where gnu started from or what it aims to do.
You can delete that stuff from the program if you don't want it.

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>>59071707
B-but I am

>>59080729

>Your problem is that you're using Putty. Of course shit's going to fuck up if you use Windows' CMD.exe to render ncurses shit over ssh on a linux box.

How is Emacs' inability to render whitespace and a drop-down in ncruses mode in any way shape or form PuTTY's fault? The exact same problem crops up if you use it in an xterm or if you're using virtual terminals on bare hardware.

What you are suggesting is a workaround for a bug in Emacs.

Sublime is just fine

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>>59082704

>>59072478
and I am sorry

>>59082779
It's not a workaround, it's the normal way of operation. Using Emacs in the console is a workaround for having a window system.

Why the fuck would you want to use it in the console when you're using Windows? Pro tip: Windows has support for windows, if you couldn't deduce that from the name.

>>59074342
what dusty memes

>>59082384
then install mg

>>59085433
>dusty memes
>for a dusty text editor
The world has moved on and people are still trying to shoehorn their dated tech into what's available today.

>>59079971
Meh, remacs is where it's at.

>>59080761
Average emacstard intellect, ladies!

>>59071707
I am with spacemacs

>>59085233

>Using Emacs in the console is a workaround for having a window system.

Oh stop. vim is able to display drop-downs and whitespace at the same time in text mode just fine. As sophisticated a program as Emacs is, it has no excuse for this oversight other than incompetence.

I am. I use Emacs.

Use Emacs. Modal editors suck.

>>59090132

For when emacs and vim aren't hipster enough.

>>59072853
>memes so stale they're on Wikipedia

>>59091708
>memes so accurate they're on Wikipedia
FTFY