Signal app can now be used without Google Play Services

Neato. Now you can just download it through Raccoon or Yalp, right?

>>59045627
yeah

>>59045590
>still have to use phone number
>doesn't have OTR

>>59045642
Signal is better than using OTR, dumbass.

It's not open source so good luck.

>>59045649
It is open source you fag troll

>>59045647
It would be enhanced by using OTR you faggot.

>>59045654
;)

>>59045656
The Signal protocol is proven to be better than OTR and was based on OTR in the first place, you dumb nigger.

>The first version of the protocol, TextSecure v1, was based on Off-the-Record Messaging (OTR).[6][7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Protocol

>>59045590
why use some rushian shitgnal when i can just keep using xmpp with otr with my own xmpp server ?

Good now you only have to convince people to use your spergware

>>59045706
This is for people who don't know how to run or can't run their own XMPP server, you stupid neckbeard.

>>59045722
>Once the server removes this layer of encryption, each message contains the phone number of either the sender or the receiver in plaintext

Is OWS audited? Didn't think so.

>>59045722
>can't host own server
>server side software isn't open source

>>59045722
If they dont know how to run their own xmpp they can just use existing public servers, while still benefiting from OTR. I dont see any problem here.
So why on earth would you force some useless new protocol on yourself when you could just stick to xmpp?

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>>59045590
>All that's left is support for using it without a phone number.
Wasn't it the entire point of the app to use your phone number?

>>59045833
Yeah but for people who don't want that, you can assign them an ID number and add people manually.

>>59045833
CIA kill people from metadata, they don't need to know the content of the calls

>>59045763
>Is OWS audited?

Yes

>>59045787
Server is going open source this year.

>>59045841
So you're still giving the app your phone number either way.

>>59045829
>If they dont know how to run their own xmpp they can just use existing public servers, while still benefiting from OTR.

You're arguing on my side now. These people can also use Signal, which is better than OTR in the first place. The point is that this gives people more access to encryption. Setting up OTR is harder than using Signal and OTR isn't even as good cryptographically as Signal is.

>>59045848
source on both claims. Signal is the only thing that has been audited. OWS has had nothing and who knows what they do with the information on their servers.

>>59045851
>So you're still giving the app your phone number either way.

No you're not. Instead of typing in your number, you'd get a random ID number and people would contact you using that instead of your real phone number.

>>59045872
So the app doesn't require your phone number anymore?

>>59045866
It relies on servers that haven't been audited or source code published.

>>59045871
>The software that handles Signal's message routing is called Signal-Server and it is also open source.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)

Uh, Wire?

>>59045885
>So the app doesn't require your phone number anymore?

Read the OP, dumbass. It still needs a phone number. They just enabled support for people without Google Play Services.

We are just discussing what may happen in the future because many people are asking Signal to let them use it without a phone number and that is currently the #1 feature request and he was explaining how it would theoretically work.

>>59045911
>Uh, Wire?

Hasn't been audited. Server isn't open source.

>>59045893
>In November 2016, a web developer questioned why Open Whisper Systems had not open sourced the server-side component of Signal's voice calling feature.Open Whisper Systems has tweeted that there are "plenty of [open-source software] options to choose from."Open Whisper Systems does not officially provide support for people to host their own servers

>>59045920
Why are you lying?
https://medium.com/wire-news/wires-independent-security-review-61f37a1762a8#.ehwy20h16

>>59045866
>>59045866
>Signal, which is better than OTR in the first place
>proprietary server hosted by a shady company
please
also, >setting up otr
>hard

>>59045912
So this is just your retarded theory that somehow signal would be willing to adopt the tox model. Don't post on this board until you learned how tenses in english works, pajeet.

>>59045923
>server-side component of Signal's voice calling feature.

read, dummy

if only people used that shit

>>59045911
>literally perfect
>nobody uses it
Fuck this planet.

>>59045958
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2014/05/10/we-kill-people-based-metadata/

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/ex-nsa-chief-we-kill-people-based-on-metadata/

>>59045956
>So this is just your retarded theory that somehow signal would be willing to adopt the tox model.

Why wouldn't they? Many people are demanding it, and it wouldn't be difficult to assign users a random ID that can talk to phone numbers as well as other random IDs. It would serve noobs and people who want to remain anonymous. Instead of giving somebody your phone number, you give them your Signal ID.

>>59045990
>>59045999
Enjoy your Facebook datamining. There's less of a chance of somebody getting an XMPP id and setting up OTR than installing the Signal app.

>>59045938
I stand corrected. Guess that was recent. Server still isn't open source though.

>>59045911
Wire's dogshit. I once got my mom to install it and 75% of the calls either goes mute after a couple seconds or won't go through at all. Oh yeah and it takes half a minute after you dialed to even ring on the other end.

>>59046020
If the CIA wants to kill you, you are already fucked no matter what you use.

>>59046046
It's end-to-end encrypted and audited, so who cares?

>>59046063
>It's end-to-end encrypted and audited, so who cares?

Tell that to the people who criticize Signal for not having a fully open source server when the clients are end-to-end encrypted and audited.

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>>59046063
>Server still isn't open source though
i may be wrong but, metadata?

>>59046036
using signal doesn't make your penis bigger than mine

>>59046061
Wouldn't the point of using it be so the CIA doesn't know you're worth killing you fucking moron?

>>59046048
>got my mom to install it

Women are pretty dumb so she probably messed up your calls.

>>59046074
I do.

>>59046077
correct, as well as what ever other collection they do intentionally or not. If they collect it you can assume they're eventually going to have to share it with our buds at the NSA

>>59046082
You said metadata is all that is needed, you stupid nigger. Not the content of the calls/messages.

>>59046101
Not if there is no metadata, which you can avoid by having your own server or having open source server side software and audits. Try keep up kike

>>59046083
Nice try shill. I was sitting right next to her as I made the call.

>>59046048
Werks for me.™

>>59046123
>Not if there is no metadata, which you can avoid by having your own server or having open source server side software and audits.

Again, that is for people who are extremely high-risk. Signal is for anybody from normies to basementfags on /g/ worried about their privacy.

>>59046074
Signal needs your phone number for signing up, so it deserves criticism.

>>59045654

It's not Free Software though.

>>59046125
You're not supposed to call people who are sitting next to you, retard. The echo cancellation might disrupt the call. Go down to your basement and talk to your mommy from there.

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>>59046197

>>59046186
>Signal needs your phone number for signing up, so it deserves criticism.

Many people are demanding support for using it without a phone number so it may happen soon enough

>>59046194
Signal is FOSS.

>>59046177
You either have 100% privacy and security or you don't. It's that simple. Signal in its current state is a placebo, it makes you feel good but you don't know for sure it's safe. It's understandable why a pedestrian like you would find it attractive to use.

Signal or Telegram? Which one /g/ certified?

>>59046292
neither, read thread

>>59046292
Doesn't Telegram have access to cleartext on their servers?

>>59046292
Telegram is the last thing you should use

>>59046230
>You either have 100% privacy and security or you don't.
In other words, none of /g/ is even remotely private.

>>59046292
Conversations.im + self hosted is the only /g/ approved messenger

>>59046292
use Whatsapp if you have friends, don't listen those pedophiles

>>59046351
speak for yourself pleb

>>59046355
>not free

>>59046366
>he typed, as he filled out google's captcha

>>59046372
As in it cost you money to run your own xmpp server? Conversations is FOSS

>>59046372
free on fdroid, read more than the first sentence next time

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>>59046391
are you retarded

>>59046385
What are you saying you dumb nigger? Willingly giving information isn't the same as a third party collecting information without you knowing. You can easily post on 4chan anonymously and securely.

>>59046448
So you're completely private with google collecting your information, as long as you are aware they doing it?


Did you get dropped as a baby?

>>59045627
>Raccoon or Yalp
Thx anon, didn't know that this existed.

>>59046472
What makes you think i'm using anything more than googles captcha service? Where the fuck do you get off assuming how i privately browser the internet? For all you know i'm ssh tunneling to a vps in Switzerland

>>59046508
lmao what the fuck are you on about?

>What makes you think i'm using anything more than googles captcha service?
Where did I state or imply that?

>Where the fuck do you get off assuming how i privately browser the internet?
When the fuck did I assume anything about how you browse the web?

>For all you know i'm ssh tunneling to a vps in Switzerland
And thanks for making it apparent you're not. Note the fact that the only one who ever said anything regarding that crap above was you.

>>59046230
We could make it better rather than learned helplessness

>>59046561
>Where did I state or imply that?
>he typed, as he filled out google's captcha
>So you're completely private with google collecting your information, as long as you are aware they doing it?

>When the fuck did I assume anything about how you browse the web?
>So you're completely private with google collecting your information

>And thanks for making it apparent you're not. Note the fact that the only one who ever said anything regarding that crap above was you.
Yes because i obviously have demonstrated no interest in privacy, and from that you extrapolated that i'm not doing anything i just exampled. Bravo my moronic friend, you're truly adapt at deductive reasoning.

>> guys there's no privacy on the internet lets turn off https to stop people believe in the placebo.

>>59046611
You've got to be trolling at this point.

>>What makes you think i'm using ANYTHING MORE THAN googles captcha service?
That's what you said. Now compare that with my post. I didn't say anything beyond the fact that you are filling out captchas.

>>So you're completely private with google collecting your information
You have a funny idea of the meaning of the phrase "browsing the web".

>Yes because i obviously have demonstrated no interest in privacy
>I was just pretending to be retarded!

>>59046631
Who are you quoting?

>>59046355
>self hosted

As if /g/ will set up a server to talk to himself much less find anybody to make an XMPP id.

>>59046669
>>59046230

>>59046077
Just like how you can get the information about a JPG file under properties, the same can be done with phone calls. Just because it's live audio doesn't mean they can't store it as MP3 files. MP3 uses id3v2 information to store metadata and these companies save all the exif in a database

>>59046358
Watsapp is quite controversial now. It has been compromised. Not to mention the venture with Failbook, it literally giving away our info to Fuckerberg.

>>59046661
>he typed, as he filled out google's captcha
This statement implies that you believe google and google's captcha service to breach privacy

>So you're completely private with google collecting your information
This implies i'm using more of googles services, like the search engine, gmail, youtube, chrome, etc. Obviously all these services spy on you, and I do not partake in any of them, except for captcha which can be used if you're browsing through a VPN, for example.

>>Yes because i obviously have demonstrated no interest in privacy
This is sarcasm, it's blatantly obvious that I value privacy highly
>I was just pretending to be retarded!
In no way shape or form is that indicative of me pretending to be retarded. At best i'm at fault for assuming you would have basic literacy education and be able to follow my posts.

>>59046776
>This statement implies that you believe google and google's captcha service to breach privacy
Yeah no shit? How do you think recaptchas work?

>>59046688
>>59046355 isn't talking about convience. Its technically one of the best options for your real identity, but one could use tor to remove ip metadata to a public server

>>59046800
Holy fuck go back and read everything again.

>>59046897
Why? Are you really retarded enough to believe google recaptchas are entirely harmless in the privacy aspect?

>hurr durr it's not consequential becuz I don't send traffic to google any other way!
Not relevant, dumbshit. Your original argument was that you're either complete private or completely exposed.

>>59046934
No cunt, i'm not saying that. I'm fucking saying that there are many methods out there to avoid collection and employ obfuscation on collection.

Why would I be so stupid to harp on about Signals negatives and then completely give all my information to the botnet. I obviously value privacy and security and I obviously take measures to ensure i'm as private and secure as i can be.

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>>59046979
>as private and secure as i can be.
HOLY FUCK LMAO that's entirely the opposite of what you said in the beginning >>59046230

So now you've finally admitted that rather than being all or nothing, there is a spectrum in regards to privacy. Good going, dumbshit!

>>59046979
Must be a neet. Everyone else just wants to chat about what they have been recently doing. Signal provides an solution for the average Joe to have a conversation they otherwise would have in SMS or WhatsApp.

>>59047020
If you're not taking measures to be 100% private and secure then you're vulnerable, therefore you're not private or secure. To the best of my knowledge i'm private and secure.

Does that make you happy?

>>59046934
>Are you really retarded enough to believe google recaptchas are entirely harmless in the privacy aspect?

most people here are

>>59046776
>>59046800
>>59046934
>>59046979
>>59047060
you both are retarded

>>59045590
What's the difference between this and silence?

>>59047983
Silence is just the SMS-only fork of Signal. No IM, no calling, no video.

I will still get v& for sharing CP over it, wont i?

>>59048044
No but you should get killed for that.

Now we just need federation and it might be a usable system.

Download link?

>>59046230
>>59046123
>>59046082
>>59047060
fantastic_comment, its time to stop posting

>>59045590
good news. I hope it starts coming by default in Android custom ROMs. That would be a good way to make it more popular.

>>59045590
Can you download signal with out google play store tho?

>>59048583
Yes, from any place that mirrors the Play Store.

>>59045590
>threema does this since forever
welcome to 2013!

>>59048692
closed source

>>59048692
What the fuck is threema

Messaging apps only work if people use them

Only faggots use this shit when there is XMPP
2016 thanks to Conversations was the year of XMPP mobile.

>>59049571
Closed source "secure messenger" from Switzerland.

>>59049571
>What the fuck is threema

Something used even less than Signal

>>59049585
>Conversations was the year of XMPP mobile.

No voice calls, no deal

>>59049823
>muh voice calls

so you like to be spied on, eh?

>>59049859
>he's so dumb that he doesn't know voice calls on Signal are encrypted
>he's so dumb that he doesn't know about how Mumble, the VOIP client /g/ loves, also does encrypted voice chat.
>he is so dumb he doesn't know voice calls can be encrypted.

Sad. Why are you on /g/?

>>59049918
Not him, but there is not a single person I know that uses whatsapp for voice calls.
Conversations and XMPP are clearly the best text chat platform available right now and also the only one you can host the server yourself without any trouble.

>>59050088
>there is not a single person I know that uses whatsapp for voice calls.

You must be one of those people with few or no friends because my family uses it, my gf uses it to call her friends overseas at their unis and I use it to call people because I use Whatsapp with them already and Whatsapp sounds better than a GSM phone call.

I understand you ugly neets don't want voice chat but come on, we use discord, mumble, and skype for voice chat so why do you suddenly want to move a step backward and say voice isn't needed?

>>59050152
Why do you feel the need to insult me?
I have a gf too and I am not a NEET, still no fucking one of all the people I know uses whatsapp voice calls.

>>59050088
>>59050361
You're probably just underage and more used to texting. Adults tend to use calls a bit more, doesn't matter if it's whatsapp or regular.

>>59050567
Faggot, I am probably older than you considering your bitch is still in university.
Stop projecting because you don't know shit about me.

>>59050361
>no fucking one of all the people I know uses whatsapp voice calls.

People call each other whether you like it or not. It doesn't have to be Whatsapp. There's Skype and dozens of other VOIP programs and there's many people who would rather save money calling people for free rather than paying the shitty phone company for service.

>>59050567
>You're probably just underage and more used to texting.

This is true. Kids love to text. I think a lot of them have social anxiety and prefer to text because calling is too stressful for them.

>>59045956
Signal and Tox have minimal architecture similarities. You're also probably the same type of retard who doesn't understand the difference between privacy and anonymity.

Leave /g/ and never come back.

>>59048692
>paying for Threema

dumbass

>>59047060
>100% private and secure

There is only one way for you to be that. That is to not be connected in any way. Don't have a phone, don't use the internet, don't have a credit card... hell don't leave your house.

There is no such thing as 100% secure and private in a digital connected sense.

My battery drains faster than I'd like with the new voice beta so I hope they fix that.

I can't make or receive any calls at all when i enable the video beta option. I only get a "missed call" notification. I saw at github issues that other people have this problem too. Anyone here experiencing the same issue?

>>59053015
The other person needs to enable it too.

>>59053047
Yeah, it's enabled on both ends. Also, restarting the phone didn't fix it.

>>59053101
What version of Android are you running? Custom rom?

>>59053137
Both devices have stock 5.1.1. I tested it with an iphone too.

>>59053250
Weird. Wait for an update then. I guess those bugs are being worked on.

>>59047983
Use google

>>59046222
To maintain anonymity accounts should be nothing more than usernames and passwords. No email adresses, No phone numbers. If you loos your damn password too fucking bad.

>>59054585
This.

>>59054585
The most annoying thing about this is that most clients won't even offer this as an option to non-normies. You have to give something and its bullshit.

Hopefully Signal has enough tinfoil-fags to demand they provide the option of being given a random ID.

>>59045590
>beta calling
It's funny because the feature is named after the app's userbase

>>59045911
This, at least Wire looks decent. I don't suggest signal to my friends because it looks like shit.

[spoiler]whats this[/spoiler]

>>59054999
kek

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Its not federated. Conversations + self hosted is the only /g/approach. Get used to it.

>>59055742
Go away, shill. Peddle your shit elsewhere.

>>59055057
Wire is even less popular than Signal

>>59056480
Then go forth and shill.

>>59055777
It's free on f-droid tho.

>>59051366
>architecture similarities
How fucking retarded are you?

>>59047739
Not as retarded as you.

>>59057262
lol do you even understand what is going on?

please explain to me why /g/ is shilling signal when matrix/riot exists?

it works just as well as signal and is a much better technology for privacy communication

>>59058653
>please explain to me why /g/ is shilling signal when matrix/riot exists?
because signal is the most secure thing you stand a chance of persuading a normie to use.

>>59059134
i've convinced the first 6 people i talked to to use riot with me. it's easy as shit, they're normie as fuck

i guess promoting signal is a step in the right direction, it's sure as hell better than sms and whatsapp. but if your goal is privacy... matrix/riot is quite literally the best. if you asked a security expert to give a hypothetical 'best case scenario' technology for communication, they would explain exactly what matrix/riot is.

>>59046046
Wire server is going open source this year, so they tell me. I'll believe it when I see it.

>>59046292
Telegram is cleartext garbage. Their crypto, when they use it, is like an idiot baked a cake with engine oil because all they heard was "oil". Don't ever use Telegram.

Signal is pretty okay. Stuff like OP makes it a bit more okay. If they add usernames as well as phone numbers so you can use it on computers and tablets, and a desktop app, that will be even better. Federation would improve its resilience, although it would paradoxically both increase and decrease the opportunities for attack.

>>59059327
No I wouldn't. I've been in this field for over 15 years now. Remember IIP?

I'd specify something with metadata protection against a global active adversary, and maybe with private set intersection for contact discovery.

Matrix.org/Riot is good, but Olm needs more time in the oven, it has a lot of usability bugs that means I couldn't really recommend it yet.

WhatsApp is way better than it has any right to be. Pity about it needing a phone number and being owned by Facebook - but if your phone numbers aren't private, install that sucker, because mad props to Moxie for bringing strong encryption to the normies - that has long-term immediate effect on mass surveillance, far more than fragmenting the messaging space with inferior solutions does. (It's not backdoored; but it did make some different reliability/security UX decisions than Signal.)

>>59058653
Nobody uses Riot

>>59056689
Don't listen to the normies. If you're using signal you probably don't care about gov spying on you (a.k.a using google, facebook, etc.)

>>59058653
Matrix/Riot is still a beta and still not audited.

>>59059327
>i've convinced the first 6 people i talked to to use riot with me.

This is bullshit

>>59061209
>If you're using signal you probably don't care about gov spying on you

This is the most retarded thing I have ever heard ITT. You're acting like Signal doesn't actually work despite evidence to the contrary.

>>59061426
go away nsa

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NSA shitting their knickers in this thread. Keep that FUD coming losers

fuck you and that shit app

>>59061577
fuck you, nsa

>>59045829
>>>59045722
>If they dont know how to run their own xmpp they can just use existing public servers, while still benefiting from OTR. I dont see any problem here.
>So why on earth would you force some useless new protocol on yourself when you could just stick to xmpp?

Many people want a synced chat history. This doesn't work with otr, which is set on top of $protocol.
I personally like xmpp very much - most of my friends are using it. But many people don't want do deal with inconsistent clients and multi-client otr problems. Also: lack of (implemented) features like emojis and details you wouldn't think about. I recently ask a friend why she prefers WhatsApp instead of using signal.
Answer: "Signal looks so old ... Look at the background of the chats!" (No cute patterns in the background)

>>59045829
>>>59045722
>If they dont know how to run their own xmpp they can just use existing public servers, while still benefiting from OTR. I dont see any problem here.
>So why on earth would you force some useless new protocol on yourself when you could just stick to xmpp?

Many people want a synced chat history. This doesn't work with otr, which is set on top of $protocol.
I personally like xmpp very much - most of my friends are using it. But many people don't want do deal with inconsistent clients and multi-client otr problems. Also: lack of (implemented) features like emojis and details you wouldn't think about. I recently ask a friend why she prefers WhatsApp instead of using signal.
Answer: "Signal looks so old ... Look at the background of the chats!" (No cute patterns in the background)

>>59054473
What

>59045829
>So why on earth would you force some useless new protocol on yourself when you could just stick to xmpp?

Many people want a synced chat history. This doesn't work with otr, which is set on top of $protocol.
I personally like xmpp very much - most of my friends are using it. But many people don't want do deal with inconsistent clients and multi-client otr problems. Also: lack of (implemented) features like emojis and details you wouldn't think about. I recently ask a friend why she prefers WhatsApp instead of using signal.
Answer: "Signal looks so old ... Look at the background of the chats!" (No cute patterns in the background)

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>>59061653
To be fair, it does look kinda dated.

Wire vs Telegram vs Signal vs WhatsApp

Who wins?

>>59061891
Wire.

>>59061891
Telegram doesn't even have calling. It also still relies on a phone number and the encryption (which isn't always on either) is ridiculed by experts. Why even bring it up, it's not like the other three.

Wire is most feature-complete and works even in the browser, no phone number requirement, open source client, gone through an audit recently. I hate to sound like a shill, but on paper it's the best of the bunch.

Signal might catch up eventually (in features and no phone requirement), but so far it's still not there.

Whatsapp has the largest userbase by far and in terms of features it's like Signal, plus stable video calling and file transfers. But it's hard tied to your phone. If you use it through the browser it's limited in functionality and relies your phone to work.

>>59061653
If you can access chat from some different device ( "synced history" ) i would say it was not really encrypted properly

Why would you ever believe they dont "sync" your chat history to nsa databases?

>>59061891
Wire because it is most like Skype. Signal and Whatsapp are single device apps. Telegram is missing voice calls.

>Muh secure calls
Wow you guys really love to pretend the gov cares about you.
Unless you're a pedophile Whatsapp calling is the best right now.

>>59061963
If you are a pedophile you shouldn't be calling anyone anyway since you should be in jail.
That does not change how i feel about my privacy tho.

>>59061955
You can run Signal in Chromium as an app.

>>59061891
With privacy in mind, Signal.

>>59062043
It's not a standalone app, dumbass. It's a proxy to your phone.

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Moxie only started work on removing the Google spyware from Signal when the guys from Copperhead forked it.
TOX is the only logical alternative and it would not surprise me if Moxie is a NSA agent.

>>59062464
>it would not surprise me if Moxie is a NSA agent.

He's Jewish so he's probably Mossad.

>>59062464
Tox drains battery too much. It's infeasible for mobiles.

>>59062616
There is a fuckton of different Tox clients.
If batterylife is your concern, use the command line client. Beats all alternatives.

>>59062629
As I said, Tox, the protocol, drains too much battery. Using some retarded CLI client on your phone won't help that.

>>59062616
>Tox drains battery too much

Unfortunately that's the weakness with all truly decentralized clients.

>>59062671
>>59062702
If that is your concern, run the core from home or dc and connect your mobile client to it.
Please stop being a retarded sherlock.

>>59061936
Does Wire support end to end encryption? What about calling? Can you call people?

>>59063000
yes and yes

It uses the Signal protocol. Try googling for this info, retard.

>>59045590
Patch isn't in version 3.29.6 yet though, right? Still getting the same message about play services.

secushare.org/comparison

>>59062768
The criticism is that no tox client is made to do that.
xmpp is made to do that, but tox is not.

How can we effectively shill the Wire, /g/?

>>59064185
Did Wire fix the can't delete contacts problem? You could block contacts but not delete them for some reason.

>>59062702
Not using GCM will also drain battery, Jewggle spent gagillions making a battery optimized msg relay anybody else's implementation (like all the hacked play services clones) have shit battery.

>>59045590
Are you telling me, Signal cucks relied on Google to communicate in "private" ? What a fucking joke. Use Wire you plebs
> inb4 Electron

use the web interface

>>59064688
>Did Wire fix the can't delete contacts problem? You could block contacts but not delete them for some reason.
I have the option, so I guess yes.

>>59064805
GCM is only used for notifications pleb, jewggle saw no private encrypted texts. Wire is just a fork of Signal with features included people wanted like voice chat/ephemeral messaging and other shit Signal didn't want to add for whatever reasons

>>59065361
>only used for notifications
>only

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What's /g/'s opinion on Silence?

>>59066749
It's inherently insecure because it uses the SMS protocol, which means metadata leakage. Basically it's placebo.

>>59061665
>I recently ask a friend why she prefers WhatsApp instead of using signal.
>Answer: "Signal looks so old ... Look at the background of the chats!" (No cute patterns in the background)
I don't want to live on this planet anymore

>>59062464
>>59062768
Wasn't there some sort of "TOX doesn't actually respect your freedumbs after all" uprising at some point?
What happned to that?

>>59045706
Isn't XMPP owned and controlled by Oracle or some other evil company that hates privacy?

>>59067601
nigga, what are you on?

>>59067601
Obvious shills like you should be executed.

>>59067628
>>59067670
No no I just remembered it wrong. It was Jabber and it was Cisco that acquired it.