Ryzen stock cooler vs intel. Damn jews.

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Each generation Intel makes their stock cooler shittier and shittier. I wouldn't be surprised if Cannon Lake just ships with a fan blowing directly onto the IHS

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>>59039649
>using the stock cooler

>>59039649
That's a big heatsink.

>>59039718
AMDs is as good as a 212 its free.

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Fuck those stock coolers I've break so many of them at work.

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>>59039649
>Pay $1000 for an Intel CPU
>Get shitty flimsy toy fan

>Pay $400 for an AMD CPU of the same performance
>Get good and quiet aftermarket tier fan
Where will the Intel jewery end?

>>59039713
Oi vey that 10c worth of metal isn't going to pay for itself

>>59039728
for you

stock cooler is perfectly fine if you're not overclocking

>>59039718
The Wraith is as good as a cheap tower cooler. No reason to pay for anything less than a gaymurr gear CLC as an upgrade.

>>59040032
It's basically 212EVO bundled with CPU.

>>59039768
You don't get a cooler with any i7.

Truly clucked

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>>59040012

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As an A10-7870K owner I'm really impressed with my stock cooler.

I get like 60°C when running my CPU @ 4.2GHz @ 1.4v in prime95.

In fact I literally see no reason to buy an aftermarket one desu.

>>59039649
thats because intel cpus bately need any cooling, even I know that

t. amdfag

Jeez. Companies don't give you free shit, they want the bare minimum cost.

Which means they can't get away with a smaller heatsink.

Which means ryzen gonna be HOT.

AMDfags btfo.

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>>59040277
More like you can't overclock them so its not needed

>>59040285
Ryzen power usage is lower than Kabylake though, anon
shill harder next time

>>59040051
it has like a third of the area of the 212 tho.

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>>59040277
Because intel cucks you with laptop-grade GHz speeds on desktop processors with locked multipliers.

Jewtel CPU is also gimped by cheap TIM.

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>>59040357
Holy fuck, this too. Kabbylake AND skylake fags are taking the intel cock very far up the ass.

>>59040285
>What is the concept of a value add

>>59040061
Yes you do, just the higher tier i7 they don't give you a cooler because they're making the assumption you're going to buy an aftermarket one. My 4770k and 4790k came with a cooler.

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>>59039649
That is the last gen stock cooler.
THIS is the Ryzen stock cooler.
>>59039718
AMDs new stock cooler is = to a 212 EVO
>>59040277
Ryzen has a lower TDP than Broadwell E

>>59039649
amd has had heatpipe coolers stock since like 2005 i think or maybe earlier because of thermal issues.

t. oldfag

>Intel uses cheap coolers
>Intel also artificially bumps price

All this means is that to kill ryzen they'll just reduce their prices to normal and use a better cooler within the next couple years

>>59040780
>2005
>oldfag
Also they've only had heatpipes stock for 2 fucking generations

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>>59040812
>Intel
>Lowering prices

>>59040827
You never know, companies do crazy things when faced with competition

like actually produce a better product in an attempt to beat competition

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>>59040837

>>59040837
Their new arch is 2021. Before that they can only cut prices in half in desperate attempt to compete but they won't because they'll suffer gigantic operational losses and 8 years worth of marketing will be in the trashcan.

>>59040863
And they wanted to add MORE pipeline stages in Tejas.

>>59039713
Where i can get that top-right cooler? What cpu model OEM it is?

>>59040837
True. but the problem is that if they just drop prices to match amd everyone who bought absurdly expensive intel chips would have gotten massively burnt by a greedy corporation. and they might not buy intel next time.

>>59040012
this just plain old isn't true. if you want to deal with temps in the low 80's then stock cooler is "fine"

>>59040887
Northwood Xeon but i think it also shipped with some later model gulftown xeons.

>>59040814
>Also they've only had heatpipes stock for 2 fucking generations
So about ten years for AMD, yes?

>>59040814
2005 was 12 years ago, anon.

>>59039649
Intel barely needs a cooler to work.
Ryzen needs copper pipes and shit to even operate.

>>59041005
W-what? M-masaka.

>>59040938
Wich is perfectly acceptable.
BUT
The pos tower that came with the 980x was utter shit and it hit 99ºC while rendering.

>>59041012
Not falling for your funpost.

best part of the thread is people isn't asking if this is actually a good cooler? why does it need a big ass cooler? if the cpu was already cheap, how much cheaper is actually if this cooler is actually worth any money?

>>59040138
APUs dont give accurate temps

>>59041089
It's a fucking great cooler http://techreport.com/review/29691/amd-wraith-cpu-cooler-reviewed
Intel shills are just mad they have to buy a $30 aftermarket cooler after they buy their $1000 CPU

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>>59041005
I....

>>59041109
not a shill fuckhead, but I am surprised how this shit is getting better and better. Also first time I read about the freaking cooler, looks fucking awesome on paper if it keeps it so cool.
I guess you can overclock the shit out of it with stock then.

>>59039713
Is there a comparison between all these shit coolers anywhere using the same CPU? I'd like to see how much of a difference the extra metal actually makes.

>>59041139
Well, maybe not "overclock the shit out of it," but you can definitely go decently above stock with it. The Wraith is probably perfect for the casual overclocker who just wants a bit more performance for the same price.

If you think about it a 200$ amd cpu really costs $150 since you're getting a decent cooler. A 6 core 12 thread cpu with cooler equal to a 202 evo thats a fucking bargain. If it does over 4.5 on air with the same cooler hhnnnggg

>>59040732
That isn't the stock cooler either. The Ryzen Wraith has a gaymen RGB LED ring.

>>59040061
1st gen i7's came with stock coolers

>>59041178
Do wraith coolers come with all ryzen cpus or just the "x" models?

>>59040732
The wraith cooler is still shit compared to a 212, it's load as fuck. Like how the fuck is it acceptable to use a cooler that produce noise over 50db.

>>59041255
>Do wraith coolers come with all ryzen cpus or just the "x" models?
Just the "x" models.

>>59040380
This bullshit.

It's not the TIM it's the distance between the IHS and the chip

>>59041649
>replacing TIM has significant results
>totally not the TIM guys!

>>59040138
APUs don't count fucko.

>>59039713

that first time you built a pc trying to figure out how to work those fan clips

G A S G A S G A S

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>>59041103
>APUs dont give accurate temps
They do, most software gives incorrect APU temps. AMD overdrive is as accurate as it can get.

Anyway pic related is my A10 being punished by the furmark cpu burner for about 20 minutes albeit running a cooler 3.8GHz with only a voltage of 1.3. I can barely hear the fan spinning.

thermal margin of 47.6C = actual temp of 52.4C or 126.32F btw

>>59041728
You realize raven ridge will be a thing right?

Though in retrospect APUs were a mistake. My A10 can barely do 50 FPS on medium 720p settings in most BF4 maps despite using DC 2133MHz DRR3 RAM.

Though I give mad props to AMD for the amazing stock cooler. I could probably easily hit 4.4GHz with it once I get my Rx 470.

>>59039649
>You vs the cooler she tells not to worry about

>>59039713

fukin top kek

>>59041908
lmao

>>59040996
since AM3 became a thing
so 8 years

>>59041197
>isn't the stock cooler
>comes standard with the CPU
Hmmm

>>59041685
To be fair it also reduces the distance between the lid and the chip since you remove the glue around the edge of the lid and also the extra paste between the lid and cpu die.

Still Intel's fault for not fixing it pronto.

Is there a chance we will see decent quality AM4 boards for less than 200$?

>>59041979
I'm pretty sure the prices for some of the AM4 boards ranged from $70 to $150

>>59039713
Probably because if you're a normie pleb the stock cooler is all you need and if you want to OC, you're getting an aftermarket cooler anyway.

>>59041979
yeah, but you should look at reviews first. AMD has a habit of vendors making shitty boards randomly through the whole pricing spectrum

>>59041197
That was a fake image mock up done in the forums of one of the tech press sites.

>>59041309
it doesn't.

>>59040780
nah, the first heat pipe cpu coolers came with phenom II's and it was so you could overclock without getting an aftermarket cooler, couldn't overclock much but you could push it a bit.

>>59041177
wrath can take a piledriver to 4.6 and keep it under 60c, zen will have a lower tdp so potentially it could oc the fuck out of it and not see a dip.

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>>59041005

>>59042251
>wrath can take a piledriver to 4.6 and keep it under 60c
Assuming you get a low voltage to go along with it. I have to crank my A10 to 1.4v when I push it to 4.2 GHz and temps hover around 60C :(

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>>59041005

>>59042263
>>59042282
Can you cancerous wastes of human skin please go to /r9k/ and never come back here please?

>>59040012
This. I'm getting 35°C (idle) my Haswell i3. The max temp I've ever hit was 62°C on fulload on both CPU and iGPU

>>59042294
Can you do stop shilling so hard? It's fucking sad.

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>>59042294
>Posting a picture of a frog triggers people this much

>>59040938
Stock cooler and my temps are sitting in the 30s.

>>59042294
>tripfag bashing on frogposters

>why are they packaging a beefy cooler if it's not a housfire?

Because XFR is set to be big selling point. If they shipped a shit cooler they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. Having a 3.7-4.0 boost clock on the box and delivering even more will make these chips look incrediblle. Just imagine when reviewers go nuts over a 1700x pulling 4.0+ with no user-end adjustments on the completely free included cooler with more than acceptable noise level.

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>>59042518
H-hey we're on the same side....

>>59040837
So, kind of like AMD is doing with Ryzen/Vega?

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When did this place become /r/ayymd?

>>59042616
AMD was in the losing for year though, he means that Intel hasn't had any real competition until Ryzen

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>>59042630
10 rupees have been deposited into your intel positivity account, sanjeet

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>>59042630
>reddit

>>59042650
I don't hate AMD, I hate their fanboys.

>>59042666
/g/ is literally just an amalgamation of /r/ayymd, /r/thinkpad, /r/battlestations, /r/stallmanwasright, and a few others.

>>59040715
And my 4790k practically caught fire with the stock cooler. I had to downclock until I got a 212 evo

>>59042727
Except without the cancer leddit culture that every corner of reddit is infested with

>>59039649
Cool and all, but, doesn't this seem to imply that the 65w TDP chips really run at more around 95w, and the 95w ones more around 140w?

Intel stock coolers being shit aside, if the chips really had that low of a TDP they'd definitely have smaller coolers.

>>59042757
Idk, once you lurk reddit for long enough you'll notice there's tons 4channers who come to reddit.

>>59040061
>shitty stock cooler
>approximately zero people used it
>filling a box with 90% useless product and shipping millions of them
>decide to admit it was shit and just not bother any more

failing to see the issue here.

If they were offering something decent as a cooler then i'd applaud of course.

How much could Ryzen effect laptop prices?

I'm starting to think we're witnessing an Astroturf war between amd and intel right here on /g/. So much shilling on both sides, so much samefagging. Gtfo.

>>59042760
>Intel stock coolers being shit aside, if the chips really had that low of a TDP they'd definitely have smaller coolers.
That would limit turbo performance and even EFR if available. They want people to get the fastest performance from the get-go.

After being a huge joke for years AMD is out for blood.

>>59042760
No, they've always over-provisioned heat dissipation so dust can be accounted for.

Decreased efficiency due to dust buildup will reduce the cooling of the fans and some people never even clean their fans ever, so this will at least mean it can keep going anyway.

>>59042791
Probably not much unless intel slips up and gets caught bribing laptop manufacturers again.

>>59042844
>implying they will stop
>implying they'll pay the fines

>>59039713
>>59039713
>TDP goes down
>coolers scale with it

really made me think

>>59042878
see >>59040349

>>59042772
Maybe you shroud go back there, my man?

>>59042901
I've been here long enough that I know how to blend in. Nobody called me a redditor unless I tell them.

I'm not like the other redditors :^)

>>59042896
>Laptopgrade GHz
>Rysen have low GHz as well
What now?

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>>59042925
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_(microarchitecture)

All have unlocked multipliers btw.

>>59042924
>literally mentions a subleddit in post
Nice try, guy, but I seen through your ruse.

>>59042981
I know.
I've followed the Ryzen somewhat and I hope it succeeds, but spreading flamebait is immature.
Besides people that care about overclocking wouldn't look at a non-K Intel SKU would they?

>>59043002
>Besides people that care about overclocking wouldn't look at a non-K Intel SKU would they?
http://www.ibtimes.com/intel-blocks-skylake-non-k-overclocking-new-chip-update-2299863

hmmmm, really makes you think, huh?

>>59039718
>weebshit

>>59043053
Anime website. Even if her opinion is objectively wrong.

>>59043049
It makes me think about nothing.
A K version CPU here cost like $5-10 more than the non-K.
They are overclocking a dumbed down architecture, the i3.
AMD did the same with their 3 core ones (disabled the 4th core since it didn't run perfectly at the stated TDW, but works if you raise it enough)
But doing so can break your CPU.
Intel blocks those CPUs so they don't have to deal with people voiding the warranty blaming the CPU doesn't work anymore.

>>59043090
fuck off back to /a/

>>59043122
>4ch/a/n

>>59043122
Sorry for triggering you about anime on an anime wesbite.

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>>59041005

>>59041817
>Code Name: Godavari

Need a better person in the naming department.

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>>59041005

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>>59043325
I like it desu, adds a more masculine feel to the already "A10" name.

Can't say the same for coffee lake.

>>59041145
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10500/stock-cooler-roundup-intel-amd-vs-evo-212/3

It's from this article. Not with a real CPU, but with the same heat source.

BTW, that tall monster was made for Skylake K chips. IIRC it's not very effective.

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>>59039649
>intel is jews
What's new?

>>59039718
>not having the option to use the stock cooler with your ihs held on with semen
>making things more expensive for poorfags

>>59041951
Maybe even before, I think the top 3,0+ GHz Athlon 64 X2s for AM2 had the heatpipe cooler. It's really loud once it hits max RPM though, and the fan takes like 0.7 A.

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>>59042048
Nope. It was legit pic, taken from NDA slides.

I've broken a few customers intel coolers taking them apart to clean out the dust.

>>59042557
Hah. I wish, but better not overhype too much. Nvidia is too entrenched/appleised to be dethroned even if Vega is better than GP100/GP102. And I think it probably won't be as fast.

Intel will still keep the title for fastest 1-thread performance, and that will probably help them keep Zen at bay (in MT, they can say they have X99/HEDT).

>>59043583
>140W TDP
>AMDrones will defend this

>>59043622
>can't read

>>59043325
>>59043384
It's actually just some Indian river, like Kaveri. Nothing to do with "God".

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>>59039732
>>59040732
>AMDs new stock cooler is = to a 212 EVO

>>59043622
>95W TDP CPU
>140W TDP cooler
it's almost like they're not the same object

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>>59043622
Kek. It's what the cooler can handle. You are getting 140W capable box with 95W CPU.

Yeah, must be hard if you are used to getting fucked over by Intel.

>>59043643
it's close. the top ryzen wraith cooler is 140w TDP, the Hyper 212 Evo is 180w

>>59043643
It will only be in more expensive boxes though, probably. It will probably still be more cost-effective to buy the WOF package without cooler and get your own.

>>59043643
What this guy said >>59043661. Also, those look like FDB fans, should last longer and be quieter than the shit fans Cooler Master uses.

>>59043583
so if I buy a 1700X or 1800X, and I sold the cooler to a friend who is building a 4c8t ryzen system, he'd be running ice cold and even be able to overclock the crap out of it?

/g/ I'm currently looking into getting an upgrade on my laptop. It's got an i7 4500U CPU.
What laptop would you recommend ?

>inb4 Apple
>inb4 Alienware

>>59043696
Yes. The 4 core parts are 65W or less, you literally couldn't outpace the Wraith Max cooler with that processor.

Is AMD releasing anything to compete with the Pentium G4560? I can get that for $79 AUD. Budget build, not concerned with spending more. I don't like Intel and want to break from it.

>>59043729
Q2 will have the APUs, likely budget stuff will show up there

>>59043738
I heard the Apu goin to have hbm, is this true

>>59043762
I feel like this would have leaked by now, so I doubt it for Zen gen 1

>>59043729
The lowest tier ryzen is $120 I believe (unlocked 4 cores).

>>59040900
>True. but the problem is that if they just drop prices to match amd everyone who bought absurdly expensive intel chips would have gotten massively burnt by a greedy corporation. and they might not buy intel next time.
People don't do this. They just buy what's better for them on average. If Intel cuts prices, you might have a few butthurt teenagers ranting about it on Internet forums, but nobody is going to remember or care when the next product cycle rolls around and we're deciding what to buy.

>>59043583
yea, I may be wrong but I doubt it, the circle one was based on a mock up on a forum, not an actual product.

>>59041902
The issue is that your CPU is extremely mediocre and your GPU doesn't have HBM. When Raven Ridge hits and they have HBM, we're going to see APUs that compete with low- to mid-tier discrete GPUs, which is excellent.

>>59043831
Problem is not even that, problem is most people who buy computers or laptops wouldn't know the individual price of the cpu anyway.

>>59043878
Well they do have the 4 TFLOP piss 4 APU...

But do you think AMD will really make one? I mean canabilizing their own medium-entry GPUs seems kinda retarded desu.

>>59043696
Problem is - the way I read that table is that the Wraith Max coolers will only be given to multipack packages. Those are 6-piece or 12piece I think, basically not the stuff you normally buy, only PC builders get those.

Separate 1-piece CPU package seems to be the "WOF" type, without the heatsink.

The only SKU that will have boxed package with heatsink is Ryzen z 1700, but it has the 95W cooler, not Wraith Max.

Note that this may eventually change and boxes with Wraith Max may appear, but they will be premium, likely.

>>59043912
That's true. The average person doesn't understand anything other than i3/i5/i7 -- bigger number means "better".

>>59043738
Nope, APUs are Q3 or Q4.

>>59043762
Don't count on it for now.

>>59043861
The picture from Hardware Battle really is from slides, actually.

>>59039732
The coolor i had on my 6300 was trash and couldnt even handle being maxed out with no oc

>>59043932
They will probably get a backlash at the higher end of the market as those are generally more tech savvy and less consumer whorish.

>>59043987
>They will probably get a backlash at the higher end of the market as those are generally more tech savvy and less consumer whorish.
I think the opposite is true--the low- and mid-tier people are less consumer whorish on average in my experience

>>59043931
I read multipack as "with cooler"
why else would they ship with such a huge box?

>>59043968
my 3570K's stock cooler can't even manage 3.9ghz without overheating

>>59043968
the 6300 had a terrible cooler, I gave my friend my old 8120 cooler and it's near silent now.

>>59042772
and not just that, a lot of redditors who come to 4chan.

Anyone who thinks one is more or less cancerous than the other is delusional. It used to be different, but 4chan has changed.

>>59044014
You can see that the orange box is smaller than the box for Ryzen 7 1700 + Wraith Spire.

Multipack should be literally multi pack. I haven't seen them myself, but I've seen mentions in "free game" promotions. The terms usually say that multipacks are not elligible.

>>59044048
I put some zotec cooler on it because i had a m-atx with ram right next to my cpu and was able to give it a 4.3ghz oc for about 2 years. Recently backed it off because my psu was dying, back at 3.8. Its crazy how much of a different thay 500mhz made

>>59041178
>>59041255
>>59041432
This is not true.

Only the prices for the non-X models come with a cooler.
The X models have an optional cooler which is probably more money than the leaked prices you've seen.

>>59044065
looks like you're right, the 1700 sku is "BOX" in addition to "multipack".
It might also refer multipack to OEM skus which most retailers sell anyway online

>>59044090
Yeah, some stores will perhaps even resell those CPUs+coolers from the multipack. You'll have to wait and see.

>>59043957
that doesn't mean the slide is real, and seeing how its using the exact same image as the one where the forum user admitted they made the mock up i'm doubting it.

Hell for all I know it was an amd employe that posted it on the forum as amd will admit they fuel the rumor mill, but as far as I know the circle one is bullshit.

>>59040837
>AMemeD bringing competition
kek

>>59041902
APUs are the future, actually.

Discrete GPUs will disappear completely in 2025-2030 or so.
By around 2020-2021 APUs will be for mainstream high end gaming computers. They'll have enough power and on-die HBM to run fairly high end games of the time at 4K.

I wouldn't be surprised if Raven Ridge alone coming out this year is at least as good as an RX470, whereas the previous APUs were like having a RX 250.
They could, potentially, be about as good as the RX580 and dual graphics with them. That would be the dream. But maybe not with DDR4 still, sadly.

>>59041005
No wait, it was 4-5 years ago at most

>>59044145
Raven Ridge is only 12CU. Nowhere near the RX470.

>>59044135
>Ryzen equal to Kabylake in performance for half the price
>not competition
Are Intel shills really this delusional?

>>59042791
Probably $100-$200 cheaper when Raven Ridge comes in probably 4-6 months. But I'm not sure they could keep up with the demand.

I don't see a short supply of Ryzen CPUs coming, but Laptop manufacturers are going to be blowing AMD for their new APUs.

Intel iGPU are so fucking bad that laptops are mostly all using discrete GPUs again now.
Even the Macbooks are using AMD discrete GPUs. They'll switch to Raven Ridge, and you know how Macbooks sell even when they're shitty.

>>59043878
It's pretty unlikely that RR will even use HBM, anon.

it would be great if it did, but it's frankly so expensive and at the same time unnecessary for a <100W GPU that it would take a minor miracle for it to be included.

>>59042819
Yeah sure but I have a feeling that at stock turbo clocks, the wattage is still going to be more like 70-80w and not 65 on those ones that say 65.

AMD underrates TDP a lot. They usually take it as an average over some applications and not the actual max.

>>59043729
I don't think AMD will sell something new under $100 if at all.

You best bet is that they might have 2core/2thread APUs that are only around $90-$100 while the higher end APUs will be 4c/4t and more in the $125-$230 range
That's just my guess.

The G4560 is only like $60 and I'm fairly certain AMD won't make a pure CPU that's less than 4 cores anymore. They might not even sell 2 core APUs, 3 or 4 could be the smallest.

>>59043729
Also consider that AMD motherboards are at least 10% cheaper. You'd be better off skimping somewhere else and getting twice the cores and 3x the cache even if the bottom tier Ryzen is twice the money.

>>59043913
> I mean canabilizing their own medium-entry GPUs seems kinda retarded desu.

Cutting out the middle-men (Sapphire, ASUS, MSI, etc) from GPU sales for entry range means more money in their own pockets instead.

I think it's reasonable to expect a Raven Rdige APU that's around 470 performance and for AMD to not sell an RX560 at all.

So you're basically talking a $120 i3-6100+ $120 RX 470 if you made such a system today, but in an APU that's probably under $180 if not even closer to $120.

When you're just making a single small die, instead of a whole board with a GPU and VRAM and caps and so on all it, things are much cheaper.
But that "RX470 performance" is contingent on probably having DDR4 3200 or better.

>>59043913
>I mean cannibalizing their own medium-entry GPUs seems kinda retarded desu.
Other way around, CPU margins are gianormous compared to GPU. It's win/win for them.

>would have to live with stock cooler for at least two months

Why peripheral renewals always come so late?

>>59039649
The AMD CPU needs a good stock cooler or else it'll fucking burst into flames lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxNUK3U73SI

>>59044688
>>59040863

>>59044159
Ah are you sure? That seems low. Weren't the previous APUs 8CU?

They should have more perf per CU but I was still expecting like 16-24

>>59044145
kek, someone should screenshot this post just so we can all laugh at how wrong you were 10 years from now.

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>>59044803

>>59044803
>>59044817
kek.

http://www.computermachines.org/joe/publications/pdfs/hpca2017_exascale_apu.pdf
>2022 target

When servers have power equal to 8 GTX1080s with 1/8th the power consumption on a single chip die in 2022, you really think discrete GPUs will be relevant 8 years later for consumers?

>>59044803
>>59044817
It's Raja's words, not mine. Go screenshot him.

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>>59044793
Yes, it was confirmed a long time ago.

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>>59040380
>yfw all they do on the next iteration is to change the tim in order to clock their chips higher to compete with AMD.

>>59044843
And for the low price of $2000! What a steal, goy!
Intel will never be able to compete with AMDs prices because they're jews

>>59044529
I expect without a doubt we'll see APU's with HBM at some point, but I highly doubt Raven Ridge will have it. I also doubt we'll see consumer offerings for quite a while.

There's a PDF detailing a chip with a cluster of Zen cores in the center of an interposer surrounded by 4 clusters of Vega CU's with HBM modules mounted atop floating around. It's clearly targeted at supercomputer applications, combining all the strengths of SMT based computing and async GPGPU high precision floating point computing in a single package.

Without a doubt it will be expensive as fuck. Interposers themselves add a great deal to yield overhead. The interposer on the fury cards is so sensitive AMD gave out failed fiji chips with early Fury X cards as a trinket and many aftermarket fury cards include bracing between the cooler and interposer to prevent it from cracking. It's just one of the tradeoffs inherent to HBM.

For enterprise applications, spending a few grand on a sungle chip is no big deal when the difference of 10-20w per chip ammounts to tens of thousands in savings per month in power usage so it'll be appealing to them. Beyond that I expect OEM's to be next in line. Although separate components would be cheaper on paper, the money saved on simplifying board design for laptops and AiO's will make it an excellent option.

Consumers will be last in line, awaiting economy of scale to reduce costs on HBM and for steady production of Zen CPU's to build up enough binned 4 cores to make the APU's more abundant.

It really appears AMD has enterprise in its crosshairs at every corner and consumers are getting the scraps. Which is a good thing. It's why we're getting a 6900k competitor for $320.

>>59044842
That slide does not mention GPU CUs anywhere.
It just says "& Next Gen GFX" which is Vega.

>>59044858
It will be PR nightmare devaluing company on the market, their fabs are too expensive to even consider it, and they have greedy CEO.
No lowered prices going to happen.

>>59044886
at a time of this slide it was polaris

>>59044832
Yes. Its the same as the stupid "Phones will replace desktops" argument
Something bigger will always have more processing power, so it will still be more desirable than the smaller one
So what if in 5 years they have 8 times the power of a 1080 when programs and games will use 16 times the power?
We're you also those people back in the 90's who actually thought "You'll never need more than 128 MB of RAM!" Because you have no foresight?

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>>59044886
Whoops

>>59044903
The point is not power, point is unification of hardware.
Sure it's terrible for people, you'd have to buy whole thing(hi consoles), but it's great for companies and enterprise.

>>59044934
What company used discrete GPUs in the first place? They were always considered enthusiast hardware

>>59044861
I didn't imply anywhere there that the APUs coming out this year will have HBM.

DDR4 3200 dual channel is about 60GB/s of memory bandwidth. That may, /may/, be enough for similar performance to the RX470 with Vega on the die.

Only rumors I'm finding are anywhere from 12-16CUs. 16 Vega CUs with 60GB/s of memory bandwidth may be enough for similar to RX470 performance whereas the RX550 or RX560, if it existed, would have probably been around RX470 performance in a game that's Vega optimized.

>>59044897
Again, no where on that slide does it say 8 CUs. It says 8 THREADS for the Ryzen CPU part, but nothing about CUs.
>>59044922
Oh okay. That is a shame as you'd think they could fit far more on the die with a 14nm process.

>>59044903
No it's the "on on-die memory controller will replace the Northbridge" argument, which is what happened, you fucking moron.
But you don't even know what that means, yet here you are trying to argue with people that know far more than you.

>>59044956
>Oh okay. That is a shame as you'd think they could fit far more on the die with a 14nm process.

All APUs are one die, and it has to scale down to the lowest TDPs for mobile. They can't make a chip like they did for the consoles for the consumer market.

>>59044951
offices buy dGPU even today for some reason, the cheapest under $50.

>>59044842
You posted the wrong one. There's another that says the CU count. I believe there's another that makes reference to the use of Vega CU's as well. Considering how different GCN 2 CU's are from GCN 1, we can only guess what end performance will be. Even then we don't know any details regarding overall arrangement. Keep in mind Polaris continues to use much the same CU as Tonga and Fiji, neither of which being a far cry from Tahiti, with surrounding details regarding scheduling, memory control, and supporting structures making the biggest difference between generations.

>>59044956
>No it's the "on on-die memory controller will replace the Northbridge" argument
Except it isn't, because he clearly mentioned graphics chips you retard
>here you are trying to argue with people that know far more than you
At least I can read

>>59044964
An APU is not necessarily a single process. They can simply be on the same chip.

Intel has a deal with AMD to put an AMD GPU on the same chip next to an Intel die to sell in Macbooks since their iGPU sucks too much.
Both will be under the same heatspreader, on the same socket, but they aren't the same die manufactured as one process in Intel fabs.

The plan for AMD's integrated HBM server CPU is similar.
It's a large chip with 8 GPU dies with HBM stacked beside or even on top of each, with the CCX(s) in the middle. These are 9 total processing unit dies put together.

>>59045005
You don't understand. You aren't capable of understanding either, so I won't both.

It's not a matter of "reading". I read it. That person has no idea what they're talking about.
You simply have to be a naive idiot to assume GPUs won't go the way of so many other components that used to be attached to a motherboard and the motherboard's bridge. It will eventually only be the i/o. Anything less is far more efficient and only done now because the technology is not there.

If you think the Northbridge FSB limitation was better than these on-die memory controllers, you're fucking retarded. Shrinking everything down, putting it closer together, makes everything faster.

>>59044956
12 CU's falls in line with the amount used on the 460, which is still damn fine for an APU, but using Vega CU's means it should come out ahead.

I wouldn't trust any claims above 12 CU's as AMD has only confirmed that many. As far as die space goes, remember there's more to the GPU that just the CU's. There's a lot of supporting topography involved.

I really hope AMD has some trick up their sleeve to improve memory bandwidth to the GPU. As it stands even DDR4 is very lacking compared to dedicated GDDR reserves.

>>59045052
Whatever I was about to say I "won't bother" but then I decided to try to put it in a way that idiot can understand and forgot to remove that.

>>59045067
Vega performance is 2x per CU if something is optimized for it

Well IMHO the Intel looks more professional and designed for a business machine. The Ryzen one just scream I am an edgy gaymer.

>>59039713

>Buy new CPU for a new rig.
>Use decade old intel stock heatsink I had from ancient build.
>Significantly better cooling performance than the new, wafer-thin stock cooler.

I knew there was a good reason I never throw out old computer shit.

>>59045067
>>59045075
Actually I'm not sure how well this 2x perf per CU will pan out.

One of the known Vega GPUs has a little over twice the TFLOPs as the RX480.
The RX480 has a little over half the CUs at 36.

But the new thing with Vega is that it will do 512bit operations per clock, which will split down evenly down to 128 32-bit FLOP per clock. Vega I hear is 64CUs. But... maybe that's wrong.

I thought it was supposed to have double the single precision FLOP per clock per CU, but I'm less sure that's the case.
If it were the case, I think that Vega card should be getting 4x the performance of the RX480 in Doom and not just double.
Maybe it's just not optimized properly, as it sounds like the perf per CU is only about 10% higher in Doom unless the reported number of CUs is wrong. Or it's just bottlenecked on the stream processors and such.

>>59045052
What flavor of vape do you use?
Because I bet its semen

>>59044707
AYYYMD has 220W CPU

>>59045006
>An APU is not necessarily a single process.
Yes it is, because memory access, though I think those details would fly over your head.
>Intel has a deal with AMD to put an AMD GPU on the same chip next to an Intel die to sell in Macbooks since their iGPU sucks too much.
You're trolling, right? Right? You're not actually that stupid, right? Please tell me no one is that stupid.

maybe because intel is a quality cpu that doesn't require a jump jet engine to stop it from catching fire.

>>59045601
intel cpus have shit temps with stock coolers and paste tho

>>59039649

Intel fags BTFO again

>>59040315

You savage

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A 12 CU APU, Mini-STX build. Just imagine.

>>59042727
see >>59045586

>>59040837
If they drastically cut prices now everyone will know what Jews they've been for overcharging, and it will just piss everyone off

>>59040012
i'm overclocking my 8320 with the stock cooler, and it can sustain full load with the fan only about 50% speed

>>59045161
The Vega card was running on modified fury drivers.
I won't mention the display version having taped up exhaust vents as there have been others with better cooling and it's very unlikely they did the same for the computer they used on their youtube short.

GCN 2 is so vastly different from GCN 1 it's almost comparable to cobbling drivers together for a 390 out of ones originally written for Terascale. Or maybe it's not. I could be wrong, or for all I know maybe the drivers were very carefully modified to account for the changes.

I can say that the key factors AMD has boasted about in slide decks really aren't especially suited to how games are currently rendered, be it DX11, OpenGL, DX12, or Vulkan. What they do cater to is the the specific function that makes GPGPU a staple in specific enterprise applications: high precision floating point operation.

Having double the FP throughput per clock is great for that, but it would likely require optimization on an engine level. I do believe Vega is targeted at the big money markets first with us consumers taking a backseat. For now, anyway. GCN has proven versatile and flexible as fuck thus far, and though AMD's limited budget means they currently have to focus on 1 arch at a time the capital they're sure to net from Zen and Vega will hopefully lead to a more gaming focused part sooner than later.

>>59045994
That looks cute as fuck.

>>59046857
Eh I think it could just be that there is only an extra ALU for 16bit float but not 32bit float. So 16bit float math perf will be doubled, but sadly doesn't look like 32bit float instructions aren't, which are A LOT more common.

Though there's a lot of cases that 16bit is enough that could be optimized for. It's a bit eh, unless I'm missing something.

They did do a few optimizations for that test running Vega, but there was still a lot more to be done. Even still.. I'd have expected it to have double the performance of the RX480 before there's any optimizations done at all.

>What they do cater to is the the specific function that makes GPGPU a staple in specific enterprise applications: high precision
Right, but they seemed to imply that half, full, and double precision performance would be double. These are used all the time. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

>>59043107
>but doing so can break your CPU
if you're fuckin' retarded.

>>59040887
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/YykwrH/intel-cpu-cooler-bxts15a

>>59042773
>90% deem it useless
>instead of improving it just remove it completely
OY VEY

>>59047837
You forgot quality semen TIM under the heatspreader.

>>59040051
It looks nothing like a 212 evo

>>59048135
>looks

why is constructing lego blocks became ricin sport?

it performs like 212

>>59044045
I know that feel, my 3570k is a lemon and even with a noctua nhd14 it's pushing high 70's at [email protected]

stock was never an option

>>59048242
4670k at 4.4GHz. I have a Noctua NH D14 too and it reaches 85-90c in stress tests. Voltage is 1.3v.
I feel like everyone else gets at least 4.6GHz with 1.25v.

>>59039649
>>59039713
Protip: Intel stock coolers ALWAYS SUCKED ABSOLUTELY.

Since fucking forever.
With that said, they should also add a better cooler like Wraith did. But then there is the IHS problem too.

Ps.: I hope they won't because it would just add to the price. And on an i3, Pentium, Celeron, it provides adequate cooling. On an i5, i7, you need an aftermarket anyway. Even if the stock would be better, I would still replace it.

>>59048279
I'm still gonna buy an aftermarket liquid cooler or DIY my own for the good ol' 6300 when I get Ryzen in May (When the hype dies down)

>>59042727

/g/ was none of that before you faggots showed up
fuck you

>>59048271
that's horrific, you made sure the bracket is mounted properly? I'll admit it's hard to fuck it up but a chip that poor is hard to imagine. I thought my 3570k was bad.

my gf's 4690k gets 4.4ghz fixed on auto voltage(ranges between 1.2-1.295v) and with a cm 412 slim with only push it does high 60s during prime 26.6

I handed my brother a 2500k that clocks to [email protected] and it's still only hitting 60's on a shitty aio

I'm forever jelly

>>59040380
Didn't earlier Intel CPU gens use a soldered IHS? Why'd they switch to using TIM in the first place?
It honestly can't save them more than a few pennies...

>>59041005
Time sure flies. I feel like it was only 6 years at most.

>>59048958
But it will stop you from OCing your chip to hell and make you buy new +200mhz Kaby Lake-tier upgrade.

>>59048994
Goddamn Jews...

>>59049009
He-he, goyim, buy Intel Kaby Lake, it's for you, for consumer (but please ignore shitty horse semen-tier TIM because 6 gorillion).

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>>59041908

>>59049054
We need another Hitler.

>>59049093
No, we don't.

>>59039728
Four cpu's

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>>59049110
Yes we do, rat.

>>59047572
you're right anon no one breaks their cpu while overclocking all pc owners actually know what they're doing and note one of them is an autistic fuck that likes to pretend they know what they're doing

>>59039649
>>59039713
Just for the sake of a fair argument... is it possible that the Intel chips run cooler and just don't need as hefty a heatsink? It seems like it wouldn't be in their best interests to ship an underspecced cooler since it would just result in more RMAs.

>>59049215
>is it possible that the Intel chips run cooler and just don't need as hefty a heatsink?

In the past yes, but not anymore. For example, when I had to run my 4790K (88W TDP) on the stock cooler while my cooler got RMA'd I had to switch off turbo mode because during gaming I would approach over 80°C (176°F) before I chickened out. Whereas my mrs A8 6600K (100W TDP) runs fine on its stock cooler, it would sound like its going to take off but it would level out around 70°C (158°F)

>>59049093
He's already here and leader of the "free" world.

I'm just waiting for the proverbial shit to hit the figurative fan

>>59041971
Citation? As far as I'm aware the ihs can't get lower. After the glue is applied the IHS is pressed firmly on. Spreading out the glue until contact is made.
Now the other issue with the IHS's on Intel chips is one side being cocked up because their tooling is clapped out. Causing a gap to be mad in some chips on one corner.

>>59049308
/pol/:
>No, trump isn't Hitler. Unfortunately.

>>59049308
>>59049347
The cheeto himself will defeat those damn dirty Jews.

>>59049379
He's THE kike.

>>59047353
>an extra ALU for 16bit float
no, they pack two 16bit floats into a single 32bit float operation, hence the "packed math" but it also goes further in that it can pack four 8bit floats into a single 32bit float operation

32bit floats are still fast, but 16bit floats, where it used to only run at the same rate/cycle as 32bit floats, are now doubled in rate.

they already explained this.

>>59049491
Aren't they packing 128 32bit into a 512bit operation? And 256 16bit ones? Which is double what they were before?

This is what I was getting at earlier. They moved from 256bit to 512bit per clock cycle, which should have doubled the single precision TFLOPs given the same number of CUs. Well, the Vega has almost double the CUs over the RX480, yet only has slightly more than double the TFLOPs. So what gives?

I see specific mention of doubling the 16bit float ALUs, when they should all be doubled. But they don't appear to be.

Maybe that makes more sense and you can see how what I've heard isn't making sense.

>>59040061
Wrong, only unlocked CPUs don't come with coolers

>>59040285
Face it, AMD isn't as Jewish as Intel because they're trying to entice customers

>>59049120
Underrated