Apple Tells Lawmaker that Right to Repair iPhones Will Turn Nebraska

>>59025429
>motherboard

>>59025429
Isn't that a good thing? Tons of repair companies would set up shop there.

>>59025439
And apple would lose their monopoly on saying come to us for repairs. Apple isn't happy some mom-n-pop store can do what they do for less and probably better.

>>59025429
>Nebraska Into a ‘Mecca’ for Hackers
not an argument

>implying that all the schematics and tools/parts will stay in Nebraska

Holy shit just have this crap in one state will be great for everyone

>>59025429
how does Apple manage to have that long ass battery but still have less battery than the s7 when the s7 battery is shorter

>>59025429
Do Apple Stores even fucking do repairs? I was always under the impression that they just threw away your old shit and just gave you a new one or sent it out to somewhere else

>>59025439
No its not a good thing. Its a right of the owner to do what they want with their products.

Apple is attempting to stifle the repair industry by not putting out documents publicly to hold their own monopoly

Other repair services would go out of business because there are no documents for repair

>>59025429
Apple makes a fair point. If those states don't want to be invaded by ethnic youths who want to steal iphones for a living they better not pass those laws.

>>59025520

they send old phones to be repaired and resold as "refurbished" for 80% of the original MSRP


The right to repair law for cars here in Massachusetts was bullshit to begin with, I shouldn't need to be a dealership to get info in sensors that may or may not be fucking up my car.

>>59025559
If they don't have those laws companies can just use the good old "muh property rights and contract law" excuse to deprive users of that information.

>>59025559
I thought the right to repair law for mass made those documents available you should be able to freely get them. Whats wrong?

>>59025518
Apple's are so much thinner

>>59025520
They do replace logic boards and screens with refurb parts, they will never do component level repair

Louis pls go.

Nobody cares.

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>mfw

>>59025579
>iPhone 7 is 7.1mm
>S7 is 7.9mm
wew

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>>59025429
I really don't like what this law means for property rights. You can't just force a company to share their property with other people.

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>>59025592

>>59025638
This is so fucking stupid.
YOU SELL SOMETHING, IT'S NOT YOUR PROPERTY ANYMORE

>>59025429
>vice
just stop

>>59025648
You don't sell someone the software on the phone or the schematics for the phone when they buy it from you. What's next? Forcing people to fork their source code over the government? Fuck that noise. Anyone who tries that is going to get a helicopter ride.

>>59025429

How is this even an issue? Cupertino iPhone Repair has been successfully doing this for years.

I took my busted iPhone in to their SF location and the guy there fixed it in front of me in under two minutes. Didn't even charge me anything.

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>Mecca for hackers

Could this mean a new booming tech industry in Omaha?

>>59025668
You're going to defend intellectual property, copyright law that extends for eternity, and software patents that cover trivial things done with a computer?

>>59025690
That was actually the first thing I thought about when I heard that term. Sounds like a good thing to me. Tech really needs to move away from SF.

>>59025668
You can't exactly use the schematics to manufacture your own computers unless you already have a billion-dollar factory. All the average joe can do is repair their shit. Sounds like free market to me.

>>59025544
... anon your comment does not make sense. secrecy is good for repair shopś (same for every other profession), and apple can maintain their monopoly by selling parts at absurd prices.

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>>59025710
>free market
>forcing individuals to surrender their property

>>59025724
You don't understand, the repairshops get fucked too because Apple WONT distribute the documents. Apple wants to be the only repairer of apple shit so they make more money

>>59025740
>Apple is an individual
ok
Shit, they almost always buy companies and use their IPs and patents and claim they invented something. Our current environment lets obscenely wealthy corporations/individuals do this shit anyway

>>59025764
you know of this thing called the internet? it will spread those documents, regardless of copyright. that will fuck the repairshops even harder.

>>59025823
If you can't compete you don't deserve to be in business.

>>59025823
More like
>we service apple stuff
>apple sues
simple as that

>>59025429
Is there any reason for anyone except for Apple to be against these laws?

>>59025872
they have money and they can sue anyone for anything and they can lobby like all hell

>>59025823
It will only affect Apple, but the repairshops will be fine (actually, even better than they were doing before).

The technically-minded average joe might look at the schematics and find the parts they want to replace, but no way he will buy the proper equipment to desolder microscopic surface mount components. Instead, he will take it to a local repairshop that already has the right equipment.

>>59025872
They're the only ones in the phone market who control the entire support, hardware, and software experience so they'd be very concerned about someone having a bad experience with a bad repair

Microsoft has a variety of hardware and Google has both varieties in software and hardware so they care less about the individual's experience. Google and Microsoft won't fix your phone unless they made it themselves.

>>59025847
please stop being retarded for a second and read this post >>59025544
see the context? now go back to >>>/biz/

>>59025860
just like microshit and other software companies tried to do with their shitware. not gonna happen.

>>59025429
>all these ESLfags defending Apple

Apple and Microsoft must use the same shilling service.

>Right to Repair iPhones Will Turn Nebraska Into a ‘Mecca’ for Hackers

Allahu Ackbar Louis Al-Rossman Bin Motherboard shall be pleased.

>>59025984
Yea because all those kids tuning their cars and shit and all the people repairing laptops now are just hackers right?

>>59026005
That's literally the next step unless more of these types of laws are passed.

>>59026013
california is the worst for car owners

>>59025429
I'm not american, but I really hope this law passes. Fuck big tech corps, specially Apple.

Are people actually afraid of living near hackers?

>>59026005
>kids tuning their cars
The worst kind of annoyance

>>59026060
hardly

I have to laugh, if only because I would start crying if I didn't.

We are a fully controlled corporatocracy at this point.

The fact that Tim Cook invokes islamaphobia to expand his corporate rule is just another nail in our coffin.

Snowden died for this?

>>59026083
wait, snowden died?

>>59026048

No ATMs and bluetooth connected pacemakers are safe!

>>59026070

Not if you live within 1000m of a mall parking lot.

>>59026101
Do you live in a mall parking lot?

>>59026101

No, but pretty close to one.

>>59026083
Back in the day companies like Apple and Google would have been torn apart by government regulators. However our lovely national security agencies prefer to keep them together in order to maximize the breadth of their nets. It's quite disgusting.

>>59026070
It's very annoying.

kids who can't drive properly with obnoxiously loud exhaust systems (that don't provide any measurable power gain that these retards think they're getting), and redlining through my neighborhood at 1AM.

their parents should control them, god damn

>>59026090
>he fell for it

>>59026131

And that's all it's about really.

>Give us your users metadata for "safe keeping" and we'll give you some business friendly kickbacks.

The security industrial complex needs to be curtailed.

>>59026101
>1000m
you could just say a kilometre anon

>>59025429
Is it illegal to repair apple products at the moment? I've fixed hundreds of the fuckers in the last couple of years.

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>>59025429
I'm too lazy to do further reading. As someone who owns an independent repair shop, what does this mean for me? I do everything from screen replacements to data recovery from water damaged boards. How do Apple and the government fat cats plan to prevent me from providing good service at affordable prices?

That fruity fag Cook and his Jew lawyers can eat a bag of dicks.

>>59026190
not in most of the world
apple just doesn't have to help or provide parts, and in many areas can use unofficial repair as an excuse to ignore consumer law

>>59026203
whoever made this image is severely retarded, she made 24 illegal downloads not 1

>>59026203

Violation of the law is enforceable in a court.

Whether it's criminal, or civil depends on how much you make, and how good your lawyer is.

Better get a gray market connect Shenzhen for Apple partsn

>>59026213
This doesn't seem like an apple only issue then. Most manufacturing won't sell you parts or charge retarded high prices to discourage you.

>>59025740
> buy phone
> don't own phone

>>59025668
They do generally give you a rundown of the specs, like how it would be weird to buy a car and not be allowed to know what sort of engine it has

>>59025740
>retarded animefag
not surprised

>>59026224

Reading not your strong suit?

80,000/download
24,000/dead family member

>>59026283
being a massive faggot your strong suit?

>>59025518
Planned obsolescence, shitty power management, a turbo-hungry LCD...

>>59026238
it's not an apple only issue
apple is just the most prominent

>>59026300
kek

#REKT

>>59026224
>>59026300
>>59026338
We've reached levels of newfaggotry that shouldn't even be possible.

>>59026237
How is this even happening? If someone owns a product, they should be free to do whatever they want with it. Last I checked I lived in a free country. Looks like that's going down the loo as well.

>>59026391

Stop voting in corporate cock suckers to make America Great?

>>59026391
These are the same people who want to make it illegal to resell your used shit.
They argue that it's a violation of intellectual property laws to modify or resell shit you paid for.
This goes beyond the software, they want this to apply to hardware too, it's truly vile.

>>59026431
#imwithher!!!
fuck off faggot

>>59025429
I'm sure all hackers will move to Nebraska so they can make $12/hour fixing iphones.

>>59026454
>youdidntlikemyguy
>youmusthavelovedtheotherguy

are you really this naive?

>>59026532
eat shit

>>59026431
There were more than two candidates in the 2016 US presidential election, you inane, underage, failed abortion newfaggot. Go back to /pol/.

>>59026451
Those kinds of people need to be hanged or shot as traitors, as they go against all of the principals which this country is built upon. They are the ones who seek to oppress the American people.

>>59026573
Looks like you beat him to it. You are what you eat.

ITT: retards who don't know what right to repair laws actually are about

>>59026593
Is that why you're here?

>>59026588
>no u
epic!!

>>59026593
Are you that faggot that is mad about repair shops losing out because they can no longer horde information about apple products and overcharge people for their services?

>>59026633
No I just want the right to open up my own iPhone without Apple calling the FBI on me.

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>>59026611
Reported. You must be 18 years or older to post here.

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>>59025429
>2017
>right to repair
You are a little too late guys, we live in planned obsolescence world with absolutely irreparable electronics.

>>59025429
>Apple Tells Lawmaker that Right to Repair iPhones Will Turn Nebraska Into a ‘Mecca’ for Hackers
Good thing killing that bill will make it illegal for people to open their phones. I don't want those naughty hackers to open their phones and hack my phone with it.

>>59026657
>announcing your report
sup reddit

>>59026672
>omg reddit XD
Do you know how I know you're new?

>>59026698
do you know how I know you're a huge faggot?

>>59026714
Do enlighten me.

So tell me /g/, why are you still sucking Apple's dick so hard despite their obvious blatant disregard for your consumer rights?

>>59025429
>telling a poor state with a struggling industry and population that they might become a tech hub
kek apple tards didn't think this through, did they?

>>59026316
This, Apple makes the only devices in the world worth fixing. Everything else, you just go out and buy another one.

>>59025429
>burgerclaps are only allowed to repair their own phones in 8 states
Jesus christ what a third world shithole.

>>59026764
nobody here actually likes apple
their only good laptop line is now stupidly overpriced, overheats on facebook and has no ports, it's a toy

>>59026764
/g/ usually doesn't like Apple, but there are a lot of nintendo apologists on here at the moment defending their shitty Switch, so it's natural that those large numbers of nintoddlers are also macfucks.

>>59026764

beacuse my macbook trackpad is super comfy

haven't found anything else that doesn't feel like shit, comparatively

>>59026798
This! I have a 2011 MBP that I've done lots of upgrades and repairs on. I tinker with my machines so much that I wouldn't even consider the newest models.

>>59026832

>upgrades

how the fuck do you upgrade a macbook? serious question

>>59026814
>t. mactoddler

>>59026876

yeah! comfort is for babbies!

>>59026855
On Macbooks 2012 and earlier.
RAM, HDD, Optical drive > HDD conversions, battery replacements and wireless cards.
Basically like a Thinkpad but easier since it just has screws for the bottom plate, not millions of random locations.

>>59026890
>mactoddlershit
>comfort

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>>59026855
The old ones use standard parts and are super easy to service. You take 10 screws out of the bottom that hold the bottom plate on. Then you have all of the internals right there. I upgraded to a 275GB SSD and 16GB of RAM. Also replaced the optical drive with a hard drive bay where I put in a 1TB HDD for backups and large files.

My Mac looks similar to pic related inside.

>>59026905
Nothing looks replaceable on that. Try again, mactard.

>>59026928
Everything except for the CPU is replaceable, you tech illiterate socially inept fucktarded autist.

>>59026783
More like apple make their shit harder to fix and break the most.

>>59026955
>everything but the only part you would actually want to upgrade is replacable

>>59025429
What is stopping people from fixing their Apple products now? Surely /csg/ sites have Apple parts needed for repairs.

>>59026928

>standard RAM slot in plain sight
>standard 2.5" HDD in plain sight
>"Nothing looks replaceable on that."

Are you mentally retarded, Winskiddie?

>>59026968
back when CPUs had their own sockets, you had a choice of 5 or 6 CPUs to choose from and they weren't all that different.
An SSD is a much more cost effective upgrade.

>>59026968
>upgrading a bga cpu

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>>59026968
The CPU is actually the one part I never upgrade on my machines. I have several Lenovo Thinkpads with socketed CPUs which I have never bothered upgrading.

https://www.autismspeaks.org/

>>59025960
>iFag
>has the ability to advantage of these documents

won't have any effect on local repair shops

>>59025668
>Forcing people to fork their source code over the government?

Apple does it voluntarily though.

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>>59026968

>CPU upgrades on any laptop

0/10

>>59026904

i bet you have lots of friends

>>59025690
>>59025699
Nah, just Indians setting up more repair and phone shops.

Why should apple be forced to give out schematics without giving me a pinko communist answer

Protip: you can't

>>59027029
People should have the right to repair their own devices.

>>59027029
because apple is a pinko communist company and doing the opposite of what they want is freedom.

>>59027029
Couldn't the government go after them for having a monopoly on repairs?

>>59027044
Which they do right now. They don't have the right to apple schematics

>>59027029
They shouldn't be. But independent repair centers should be allowed to map stuff out and create/distribute schematics on their own. Also, nobody should be prevented from repairing their own devices. Voiding warranty for breaking a seal or removing screws is ok. Dragging someone into court and ruining them financially because they replaced a few cracked screens is not ok. This is big businesses shitting on the little guy because they can.

>>59027058
The law is literally called "Right to Repair". I guess the education system in burgerstan doesn't teach people to read these days.

most newish laptops are BGA now anyway. sometimes even the RAM is soldered too

>>59025429
>"They said that doing this would make it very easy for hackers to relocate to Nebraska."
it's hard to rent anywhere much less own get the fuck out of here

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Is voiding the manufacturer's warranty not enough?

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>>59025429
Just another reason why Nebraska is the greatest state in the union.

Grand Island here.

i guess nebraska hasent heard of LineageOS or ubuntu touch yet?

someone spread the word we need more local innovation within the USA

fuck outsourcing

lets get some hackathons going with makers(3d) and diy

imagine how many businesses could be formed at conventions like that

Rossmann streaming on this now lmao

>>59027397
Not sure on your end. But right to repair keeps manufactures warranty. If I remember correctly.

>>59027970
>But right to repair keeps manufactures warranty.

>sell product
>kids rice it up and fuck it up
>they come to the store the next day, giving you something that's apparently held together with an entire roll's worth of duct tape
>"here, it's broken, give me a new one you twat, it's still under warranty"

This is what we want?

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>>59028098
Holy fuck. When was riceing considered a repair.

>>59028098
Yes, those 10 out of a million people doing this shit will be a massive drain of Apple's multi-billion dollar money pool.

>>59027397
>Is voiding the manufacturer's warranty not enough?
What do you think warranty means nigga?
It doesn't cover actual breaking, it only covers defective devices.
So if someone drops his phone he has to pay anyways. If independent competition would repair it for cheaper, most people would rather void the gay ass warranty.

literally anyone who knows anything about security should know that anyone who wants to hack an iPhone don't need repair manuals. They'll just take one apart and map what connects where.
Louis Rossmann already does this for Macbooks. It is evidently easy as balls, as long as one puts in the time and effort to do so.

Apple is trying to violate Kerckhoff's Principle and lying in the face of the courts about it.

oy vey

you mean they would have to release trade secrets and other technologies?

also this is legally laughable since there is probably so much nonfree, contracted out, chinkshit to the core of a lot of these products I don't even think it's possible to be compliant with legislation like this.

I'd love to see this age of digitally signed firmware and verification bullshit to end but i doubt it's possible.

>>59025668
>Forcing people to fork their source code over the government?

given the malicious nature of most nonfree software and their unreasonable demands of only running digitally signed blobs, yes. I think that is more than fair.

Fuck Apple, I hope it passes

>>59028098
Usually right-to-repair laws have an expectation of competency of repairs.
The warranty won't be required apply to damage that has been caused on your behalf --only damages caused by the manufacturer.

Example:
I buy a phone. I break the screen and get it repaired by a shop. This damage would not be covered by warranty.
The speaker then breaks after because of a design flaw. This would still be covered by warranty.

>>59025668
>You don't sell someone the software on the phone [...] when they buy it from you.
what fresh stupid is this? if the software is on the phone, be it bought or pre-installed, and you sell the phone, you are selling the software too

>>59026928
>ram
>hard drive
>optical drive
>battery
>nothing
Maybe you need your eyes replaced.

>>59026968
The argument isn't about upgrades but servicing.

If your battery goes to shit then replacing it shouldn't require prying it out when the adhesive strips break. It shouldn't require voiding the warranty in just opening up the device.

>>59027029
Why should people be forced to buy software instead of just pirating it without giving me a pinko communist answer

Protip: you can't

>>59028414
you are selling access to the software
besides using it you have no rights that come with the usual acquisition of physical items

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>>59029375
>you are selling access to the software

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>>59025638

>>59026802
This is an absolutely abhorrent post and you should be ashamed

In my country there are hundreds of repairshops for apple-products. Since when is that even a problem. Even ebay is full of it.

>>59025429
Fuck apples bullshit. In the auto industry it is required by law for us mechanics to have access to all of the schematics and diagrams etc. Why should the electronics industry be any different?