Which Ryzen CPU are you going to buy /g/ ?

>95W TDP
Wow the Piledriver is back

>>59021374
18 or 1700x if good. That lil 4c4t if merely ok.

Already got a 7700 but I'm more about workstation then gaming my 2nd unit.

>Ryzen 3
>Ryzen 5
>Ryzen 7

Is there any meaning to those numbers are are they simply copying Intel core i3/i5/i7?

>>59021374
i might cop the 3 1100 if it beats i3 6100

1300 1500 best
>>59021447
dream on, i3 has better encoding etc features probably, so outside of benchmark will be better

When the APUs arrive with good ITX motherboards and have good Linux support.

>>59021388
piledrivers were 125w to start

>>59021421
>r3 1100
>r5 1500
>r7 1600X

They are definitely taking the piss on Intel

>>59021650
>not r9, r11, r13

>>59021650
Now the question is, are they trying to ride on Intel's success in vain, or are they mocking Intel in victory?

>>59021673
They should of.

>>59021687
should have*

>>59021374
Upgrading from an fx 8320, which one should I get?

>>59021374
AMD Rysen 5 1400x

>>59021887
Ryzen*

>>59021374
1600x looks fantastic. I don't really want to get a new CPU right away though, maybe in a few years time. By then prices should be a bit better, maybe even a better alternative.

>>59021374
None, I do not plan on building a new system for at least a year.

>>59021374
1400X looks really good.

Probably their 1500 or 1600X

It will be the Thuban I've ever wanted.

>>59021592
If it will be anywhere near the 4690k it will absolutely BTFO a 6100.

>>59021374
I'm waiting for more detailed reviews.
I need a CPU that can fit within a build with a 300W PSU. I want XFR, but that doesn't come in the more high-end, low TDP processors. I may not even need it.

>>59021374
would be nice if they used a naming system where the X in Ryzen X meant core counts...
would seem more logical, so Ryzen 8 == 8 cores, Ryzen 6 == 6 cores, etc...
this naming system is horrondeous compared to Intels simple 3,5,7...
to answer your question OP: bought an Intel system a year ago, so will have to wait ~3 years to upgrade again, 2019 will prob. get Zen++

>>59021374
Probably gonna get a 1600X, but god I'm not looking forward to seeing how much these will all cost in CAD. Probably just gonna wait for black friday deals since I'm in no rush to upgrade my rig.

Cheapest 4 core, 6 core or 8 core and overclock it to the moon.

>>59021680
it's to make a quick comparison for consumers who buy solely on the i3, i5, i7 label.

The 1700X looks pretty good.

1700, gimme dem cores

How much faster will a 1400x be over a i5 7600k?

>>59021374

can someone translate please?

whats the Intel equivalent to the 1700/1500 ?

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>>59022235

Whatever matches the price.

>>59022233
It won't be faster. Probably.

>>59022233
It will probably behave like a 6700k

1600x.
1700x or 1800x only if they overclock noticeably better.

Will 7nm Zen fit into AM4 sockets?

>>59021673
r4, r6, r8

>>59021374
1400X, because anything more than 4c/8t is unnecessary for a non-server machine.

>>59022317
>what are workstations

Probably an R5 1500 for an ESXI homelab server. Low power consumption, good ipc, nice clocks and 12 threads.

Glad it's we're getting some better bang for the buck high end cpu's again. It's been a while.

>>59022293
probably, AMD have said socket AM4 will last 4-5 years

I got i5-6500 and wondering if that 1500 is the competitor for it?

prices looks pretty good

>>59022369
Pricewise, yes, but it will demolish it in performance, and shit on its grave when overclocked.

>>59022369
1500 is the lowest hexacore? It eats 6500 alive.

>>59022354
then it might be smart to only get a 1600x and wait for 2019 or 2020 to upgrade to an 8 core.
Unless memory bandwidth then becomes a limiting factor.

GAMING

>>59022233
Similar to i7 7700 vs i5 7600. Faster multithreaded and about the same single threaded performance (or higher depending on how xfr works).

>>59021421
This is what AMD does

>>59022235
>1700
In terms of performance, i7 6900k. In terms of price, i7 7700k (7700k costs $30 more)
>1500
In terms of performance i7 6850k or whatever they're called. In terms of price, a locked i5.

>>59021421
Ahtlons used to advertise the Mhz of the Intel chip they compete with - not their own Mhz.

>>59022369
>locked 4 core or an unlocked 6 core 12 thread

>>59021374
If I'm getting Ryzen at all, it's going to be the R7 1800X. No point with dealing with any other one if I'm going to take this router over a Skylake or Kaby Lake upgrade.

Best naming scheme


Ryzen 8 3437-1

8 - core count
34 - base clock
37 - boost clock
0/1 - SMT enabled

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>>59022465
however, even back then it wasn't always correct

>>59022524
That's before K8. After K8 it reached varying levels of hilarious.

>>59021374
Intel Cannonlake.

>>59022542
Wow I can't wait for Skylake v3.5 82W TDP edition

>>59021374

The cheapest one has got to be an upgrade from the 965BE right?

>>59022524
It was actually the equivalent performance as compared to old thunderbirds if they had scaled up in mhz.

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>>59022539
oh shit nigga
I forgot how bad those Pentiums were!

>>59022556
Wow can't wait for Bulldozer 2.0 that will destroy people's brand new motherboards by drawing too much power. Just like how Ayyyyymd underestimated Polaris' power draw.

>>59021374
1700, liquid cooler, new mobo and 16-32GB of ram, depending on what i can fit in a $1000 budget come May (when all this shit dies down)

>>59022612
Shoo shoo poojeet.

>>59022512
This. Crylake/babbylake 4 core i7 are $350 and the 6 core ones are $400-550 (with expensive 2011 motherboards). Might as well get the best ryzen.

I'm a poorfag so I'll go with the 1500 or 1600x and upgrade to an 8 (or 10) core zen+ down the line.

>>59022612
Must be nice living in dreamland.
The fact remains that you're waiting to buy a Skylake dieshrink thinking it'll be any faster than Skylake, good luck.

>>59022627
>Literally run by a poo in loo
Fuck off Pajeet.

>>59022524
>Athlon XP 1800 beating 2000MHz Bentiums
AMD managed to overestimate intel, kek

>>59022610
GHz myth busted

>>59022636
Holy shit Rajeesh are you even trying?

>>59022631
>ignoring the FACT AMD fucked up Polaris' TDP
Must be nice living in denial. AMD is finished.

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>>59021673
>>59021687
>>59021650
Should have done this (copying from OP's list and renaming)

Ryzen 16 4000X
Ryzen 16 3800X
Ryzen 16 3700

Ryzen 12 3700X
etc etc

Ryzen (Threads) (Boost MHz) (X if XFR)

Then it becomes easy for retarded consumers to understand

>The first number if how many logical processors you get, the big number is how fast each of them is, and X is there if it has a special boost

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>>59022683
>not undervolting your Polaris GPU

>>59022720
Don't have to do extra steps on my 1060. The fact you are okay with AMD lying to your face is pathetic and shows you are blind, poor fanboy.

>>59022734
>AMD is lying
>t. 3.5

>>59022734
Yeah, with a 1060 you just have to watch what drivers you install or you might brick your card plus it's incapable of being undervolted.

>>59022749
>N-nvidia lied i-its okay!
Nice deflection. Missing that amount of VRAM didn't put your other expensive components at risk however. Bad power draw does.

>>59022777
You're right that AMD shouldn't be lying about TDP, but to pretend AMD is anywhere near nvidia's level of kikery is laughable

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>>59021374
None. Hard to justify upgrading from my Core i5-4690S.

>>59021374
Can't say I'm gonna upgrade from a 6700k yet. So nah not buying ryzen.

>>59022749
There were literally million of PCIe slots that fried thanks to Poolaris

>>59022817
Because you don't need to.

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>>59022819
literally millions of houses burn down every time nvidia releases a card

>I can also make ridiculous and unsubstantiated claims!

>>59021374
1400X or 1200X.
Feels bad being a poorfag.

>>59022815
>right way to sit
>straight up
laughing_chiropractors.jpg

>>59022843
I wonder how many people died to Fermi.

>>59022819
I remember it now.. It was like another holocaust, the fires reminded me of my dead brothers lit on fire at the hands of Hitler, literally 6 billion lives

>>59022172

Hoping the 1600x will the the sub to mid 300 range processor. A 1700x would be nice but that depends on how well the 1700 is over a 1600x.

I find (out West) as long as you dont wait too long retailers would price gouge the fuck out of you.
Fuck off Memory Express you cunts, literally have the whole market, provide decent service yet pull that shit.

When the 390s came out, the prices were fair then they threw on a extra $70 within a few months.

>>59022846
>6c12t literally only $30 more
Skip lunch or something.

>>59022854
nvidia keeps naming their new GPUs after physicists because every time one is released, CERN detects millions of novel high energy particles

>>59021374
1700. I was planning on only going for a quad core model but 16 threads at that price? How do I say no?

>>59022863
But the 6c12t will very likely have worse single core performance.

>>59022876
It's perfect goy-effect. Ryzen is so tightly priced you can always get moar cores for a bit more money. And you will.

>>59022889
...Here's a novel idea, overclock it by a few hundred MHz? I don't think you'll even have to touch voltages.

>>59022863

>Always skip lunch
>Don't live in USA, so i have insane taxes and have to deal with noUSD markup.

>>59022906
Which i could also do with the other cpus so this point is moot.
Also i read somewhere that X versions come with way better stock coolers.

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>>59022889
>durr I'm a dumb normie cunt who doesn't know how to raise a CPU multiplier in BIOS
>literally 2 minutes of work

>>59022922
Yes, they're supposed to come with AMD Wraith, which is basically 212EVO.

>>59022906
I dunno, the X processor will supposedly boost above 4GHz without even overclocking it. It depends how much headroom Ryzen has and how each processor SKU is binned.

>>59021374
1700X if there's no difference in overclocking with the 1800X, otherwise the latter. Still not sure on which motherboard to go with though. Maybe ASCock's, since it has two M.2 slots.

>>59022853
chiropractics is fake medical science

>>59022889
So what?
You can always undervolt & underclock the last 2 cores, force anything that isn't your game to run on it, and overclock the first 4 cores (not evenly)

>TFW fell for the Ryzen meme and skipped out on upgrading to the 6700
>TFW I'll be able to get the 1600x and a decent overclocking capable motherboard for the price of the 6700.
Feels good man

Probably 1100 or 1200. I'm not doing anything more intense than gaymes.

>>59022970
With AMD you win, unless it's fucking faildozer.

current
>2500k

>considering
1600x looks like the best value. 1500 looks good, but the lower tdp makes me think it won't OC as well. 1700 is also tempting, but again, the low tdp means probably bad OCing vs the 1700x, so we'll see

>>59023039
All XFR chips have 95+ TDP because that's how it's supposed to work.

>>59023054
so am I a retard or not? will a 95w tdp chip have more headroom than a 65w one? if I'm wrong, that'd be nice, because then I'd prob get either a 1500 or 1700

>>59023039
TDP has nothing to do with overclocking.

>>59023075
No, Google what TDP actually means. It has nothing to do with OCing.

>>59023039
XFR is probably auto overclocking to 4 - 4.2GHz based on temperature and voltage (something you can do yourself in BIOS) which is why the x models have higher rated TDP. Remember that TDP is not some kind of limit on how much you can overclock a processor. All it indicates is the amount of heat dissipation a cooler needs to have to cool the processor effectively. If you overclock the non-x 1700, it effectively becomes a "95w" TDP processor because it needs more cooling at higher frequencies.

TDP is not the same as power usage.

>>59021374
1600x most likely

The r7 1800X if it's worth it over the 1700x. An extra 200mhz really doesn't justify an extra $100+ but I hope that means the 1800x will OC well.

I stopped liquid cooling a while back but if the r7-1800x can do 5.0ghz 24/7, I might just dig my loop parts out of the closet and build me a Ryzen based loop.

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>>59021374
The 1700, which I'll ride out to the last AM4 CPU which I'll get and ride out until the next BIG CPU release.

And a Ryzen apu laptop if the have a glossy FHD 15inch or larger laptop
(No touchscreen or IPS panel either)

I am strongly considering the 1700x, but may go with the 1600x. Moar cores could be good if programs begin to utilize them more.

It is going to be a somewhat costly upgrade.
1700x $390
X370 mobo ~$180?
2x8GB DDR4 3200 RAM $100
New cooler $35
Maybe a NVME drive $300

My trusty i5 2500k has run its course.

What do you guys do with old hardware? I already have a Samba server on low powered hardware.

>>59023114
>>59023089
>>59023077
my understanding was that TDP was the max power it could safely consume

>>59023192
I don't know where you got your understanding from but it's deathly wrong.

>>59023192
No, it's a rough estimate of amount of heat the CPU emits at given combination of voltage and clock speed.

>>59023192
your understanding is wrong

>>59023127
>(No touchscreen or IPS panel either)
>or IPS panel
why lord of memes?

>>59021374

What is the price performance champion?

>>59023178
I donated my old Pentium 4 to Goodwill.

>>59023233
From the looks of it, the 1600x.

>>59023192
No. 95w tdp CPUs will often use 110W+ in full load. 125w ones will use 170W and so on.

>>59022871
Be careful, some Nvidiafag might try to stab you.

>>59023178
Ask around if anyone in the family needs a poverty box for their Facebook, office, school needs. I set my little sister up with a PC I built entirely out of parts from old builds and parts cannibal-ized from old office PC's. Threw Ubuntu MATE 15.10(now 16.04) onto it with the essentials that a high school girl would need, and have had zero complaints. Her PC is an FX-4100/Zotac GT210 abomination.

Anything with a 2500k in it will usually be leaps and bounds ahead of best buy tier garbage.

>>59023178
>getting a 6 core instead of an 8 core because he wants to save $130
>spends $300 on storage
What a dumbass. You don't need an aftermarket cooler either.

>>59023247
Yea this. Tdp is just trying to give you a rough estimate. My fx-9370 used 250w at the wall at stock. Close to 390w at the wall when I pushed it to 5.4ghz and kept it there for encoding.

>>59023245
>not the 1700
>b-but muh 100MHz higher overclock

>>59023342
This, 1700 is some ungodly value.

>>59023342
Shit man It looks like it'll be hard to tell between those two. I can't disagree that the 1700 is a great value either. I'm just not too sure if it's worth the extra $60.
Or maybe it is. We'll know in 2 weeks time.

>>59023331

I'm not sure why they don't just tell you the peak power consumption.

>>59023302
My little cousin needs a computer, maybe I could teach him how to assemble one.

>>59023311
>1700x $390
Can you read? I'm buying the 1700x.
A 128GB NVME drive would be ok, but I kind of want a bigger one.

>>59023379
Don't eat out once a month, don't buy any new clothes, if you're gamer don't participate in a sale, don't go on expensive dates, you'll be okay. As long as you're not shit with managing money.

>>59023233
Since clocks are so close to each other, probably the non-X chip at each tier. Make a pick based on core needs then overclock your heart out.

>>59023380
Because it can vary from chip to chip based on quality of the wafers. Overclocking has different problems than average users. So they give you power cilonsumption at a reasonable use.

>>59021374
Probably the 1500, depends on how expensive it gets by the time it comes here.

>>59023351

what is so remarkable about the 1700?

>>59023432
>unlocked (and soldered, FU Jewtel) 8/16 for 329 burger tokens MSRP aka less then 7700goy
What's not to like?

>>59023417

Then why don't they give us an error estimate? Also max TDP isn't power consumption or even a very good estimate for power consumption.

>>59023450

I have no idea what that means. Why is the 1700 so good?

>>59023502
It's unlocked (you can easily OC it) 8 cores 16 threads chip for less money than Intel's quadcore.

>>59023450
>>59023432
I will likely just manually overclock it and enjoy 1800/x speeds for a lot less burgers

>>59023502

it has 8 cores and 16 threads, costs $320

intel 7700k has 4 cores, 8 threads, and costs $350

>>59023502
Soldered means it will better. 8/16 is cores/threads. It also doesn't cost much.

It adds numbers real fast like

>>59022513
I agree with the R4, R6, R8 thing, but it NEEDS to have a generation number

A 0/1 for SMT is stupid.

What they could have done is:

Ryzen 8 1640X

1 = generation
60 = 40*threads(16) = 59.2, rounded up.
last 0 = SKU
X = XFR

So the 1100 would be
Ryzen 4 1140
Then 1300 would be
Ryzen 4 1280
The 1500 would be
Ryzen 6 1420

>>59023379
2 moar corez and 6 moar threads for $60? This kind of jump would cost you $600 if you were buying an Intel (6800k vs 6900k). Think about that, goy.

>>59023538
I like your naming schema, but it makes sense why they mirrored intel nomenclature. It will allow consumers to compare them more easily.

>>59023526
>>59023529
>>59023533
>>59023537

i see. sound like good price value.

>>59023565
That also mirrors former Radeon naming scheme.

>>59023385
>strongly considering
>may buy the 1600x
I can read. Strongly considering is not the same as buying. Either way, you have to be a massive retard to spend $300 on an nvme drive, but not spend an extra $130 for an 8 core x model.

>>59023577
It's ungodly, murderfuckingly good value. The closest Intel competitor is 1100$ octacore.

>>59023432
it's a $1000 intel processor for $300

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1100t -> 1600X or 1500 if it can be OC'd to 1600X level

>tfw 6 cores are comfy as fuck

>>59023596
This. People still don't understand how crazy good value it is.
The i7 6850k is what $500? The 6900k is $500-600 more. That's more than double the price for extra 2 cores and 6 threads.

With ryzen, you get 2 extra cores and 6 threads for only $60 more. It's ridiculous.

>>59023618

lets be real, even the biggest AMD fanboys don't believe that

i'd say a $300 cpu that gets about 60-70% of the power of a $1k intel cpu

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>>59023228
Backlight bleed is always far more horrible on IPS panels. At least everyone I've checked out.

Not to mention IPS glow.

What's the point of better colors if you fuck up the darks?

Besides the viewing angle never mattered to me. I don't watch shit from a 45 degree angle.

AMD CPUS IN 2017
MEGA LUL

>>59023555
Trips don't lie.
Shit I've been saving extra for the past few months. Guess I'll start scraping whatever I can within the next few weeks. I want to replace my i3 ASAP. Looks like I'll be selling it sooner than I thought I'd be.

>>59023645
Intel pls

>>59023533
The 7700k is $339 MSRP not $350 you shill!!!!

>>59023696
>$11 difference
Wow, it's fucking nothing.

>>59023645
>60-70% of the power of a $1k intel cpu
That's simply not true. It's genuinely about the same as Intel's 6900k, maybe 5-10% "slower" but it costs over 3 times less. Where are you getting the 60-70% figure from?
It's closer to 90% at stock speeds simply because of the slightly lower base clock (literally a non-issue). Just bump the multiplier by one step and they're about the same. It takes no extra voltage since the turbo goes to 3.7GHz anyway so it's literally just changing one value in BIOS, it takes 2 minutes.

>>59021374
Whichever 8 core overclocks the best.
Probably the 1800X, though if the 1700X can reach roughly the same clocks I can save the 110$ and put that into a better M.2 SSD

>>59023583
It's not retarded. You just don't know what you're talking about, but you feel the need to belittle people anyway.
The 1600X could get you 6 cores that are as good as 1800X cores.

The 4 and 6 core aren't as tightly binned as the 1800X is over the 1700X.
If a CPU had stable enough clocks at low enough voltage to be a $500 1800X, but 1-4 cores aren't working, it becomes a 1400X or 1600X. But the same happens with 1700X. You just don't know; it's luck because there isn't a tighter bin SKU for them.
That means that with a 1700X, you're going to be pretty sure that it will get like 7-10% lower overclocks than a 1800X. But a 1600X could overclock just as well as a 1800X to 4.5Ghz+ or whatever it ends up being.

I'd rather have the 6 cores with potential for better performance per core for cheaper if I hit the silicone lottery.

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>>59023664
I see....why not a VA panel then? It's a crossbreed of sorts

>>59023777
Basically, it boils down to
>b-but 100MHz higher overclock

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>>59022777
They fixed it in a single drivers update

>>59022720
>playing around with overclocking on my fury nitro
>memory overclock helps a teeny tiny bit in vram-hungry resident evil 7 but still getting dips out the ass
>decide to try undervolting for fun
>able to keep -70mv stable no drops in clocks same peformance
>fans now stay below 30% at all times, can tell there's less heat pouring out of my case

Everyone should try undervolting. Its still silicon lottery but pulling ~15% less power for the same performance is so much better than using >30% more power for a 5% clockspeed increase.

>>59023645
lmfao it won't be 70% slower in even the worse case except maybe AVX2 synthetic benchmarks that nothing uses (and if it's used on Kaby Lake it overheats)

You're delusional or paid to post on a Filipino VIA enthusiasts board

>>59023969
Not to mention AMD drivers do not brick cards.

If you dont go for the 8 core youre basically getting a 6700k with shittier single core and slightly better multicore

>>59024026
It's what, 3-5% slower?

>>59023924
Could be 300-400mhz per core difference on the 1600X over the 1700 or 1700X.

If you do video editing and rendering, then obviously the 1700 is better. Instead i'm looking at the 1600X as a 4c/8t with 2c/4t extra for free compared to Intel.

$260 is really right at the price I wanted to spend.
$135 for memory
Probably $110-$210 for a decent motherboard. I wanted to keep it around $600 or less for my upgrade, so perfect.

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>>59023844
Show me a new laptop with a VA panel
I've not seen a SINGLE one whilst looking for a laptop since October.

>>59021421
they're trolling Intel

>>59024045
5-10%.

Might beat it on some programs that are heavily float and integer math reliant.

Probably 3-5% when it comes to actual FPS loss due to more frame draw latency, or something. Or who knows, we haven't seen many gaming benchmarks and it could be just as good or better in some games.

>>59024201
I wonder how paracuck games will perform on Ryzen.

>>59024251
I'm pretty sure most of their games are single-threaded, sadly

>>59021795
I need a longer piece of rope, what length should I get?

Really can't suggest anything without knowing your budget and what you intend to use it for/your reason for upgrading.

>>59024260
most games run at least 2 threads.

Will only get a Ryzen if

1)the CPU is in question is with a soldered HS

2)the boxed cooler is better than Intel one

3)the price is not higher than Intel equivalant CPU (at gayming)

>>59024323
1 is probable but we know nothing. 2 is confirmed, Wraith is literally a 212 EVO turned sideways. 3 is highly likely based on leaks.

>>59024323
Check, check and check.

>>59024323
>soldered
>better boxed cooler(at least wraith tier)
2/3 so far

We'll have to await benchmarks to see the 3rd. But it's looking pretty optimistic right now.

1700X unless tests show a consistent 200MHz+ on 1800X overclocks due to better binning.

Finally almost time to retire my trusty 2500K.

I am finding myself unable to tell if these are people trolling or are delusional butthurt intelfags

>>59021374
I'm taking a serious look at the 1600X as an upgrade to my Haswell i5.

>>59024323
Boxed cooler is basically a 212 EVO but blowing up from the CPU, but only on the non-X models.

The X models are for enthusiasts who will get a Noctua, Be Quiet!, good AIO, or custom loop. They don't come with a cooler, even though that cooler the others come with is good.

>>59024430
1800X looks like it'll be 200-400mhz better at the same voltage.

I'm also retiring my 2500k. Going for 1600X though I think.

>>59021374
Are those clockspeeds are joke?
Even the FX-4350 from a half decade ago already had 4.2 GHz base.

>>59024300
>I need a longer piece of rope
are you an intel fanboy?

>>59024601
Shhh let them enjoy this moment. It's all they're gonna have for a long time.

Depending on performance I may change my i7 6700 to 5 1600x in witch case I will gift my CPU to my brother
If not I may buy him 3 1100 (to be honest I planed to buy him g4560) because it pains me how he still have to use c2d

>>59024601
>go into BIOS
>bump multiplied 2 steps
There's your 4GHz.
Also
>what is XFR

>>59024627
You've obviously not heard the analogy before... you can't answer the question of you don't know the original length of rope or what the longer piece is for.

I'm still on my W520 and I have waited 3 months just to see what happens with Ryzen... so to answer your question, no.

nignog

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>>59024630
>>59024601
>caring about matching clock speeds
>on 2 totally different architectures, one of which was made half a decade ago
>in Current_year_under_god
Your autism is astounding

>>59021374
once I know what the difference is, either a 1800x or a 1700x

>>59024649
dude I'm in the same situation! I have a xeon e3 though. little bro uses a c2d and a gt 610, it can run cs go at 1024x768 (he only has a 1280x1024 monitor) so hopefully gonna gift him my current pc and he can actually enjoy gaming. I only have a 950 (dont game much) but he sure will enjoy it!

>>59023618

I have some bad news to tell you...

Are you sitting?

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>>59024710
That looks like the BTK guy

Also I heard supervideocardzstationU or whatever that blog is posted some more erotic amd benchfic might wanna head that way.

>>59024732
Yeah, it's actually a 1100 USD processor for 320 USD.

>>59024742
It's okay anon, Amada will save you from the happy merchant. Ryzen CPUs are available for all!

>>59024020
or cards catch fire.

>>59023299
oh god that was funny, but stab you and burn the body is more accurate.

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>>59024821


Does this Amanda talk to you Anon? Do you hear her voice often?

>>59021374
1600X, by the looks of it.

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>>59022571
>The cheapest one has got to be an upgrade from the 965BE right?

Its a 1700/1700x/1800x but yea, even the worst would be a significant upgrade.

Upgrade from i7 950/390 to either 1600x,1700

This should be atleast a 50% overall increase across all metrics, assuming AMD pulls through and makes it competitive against 7700k?

>>59021374
Thoughts on cooler? I haven't gotten a water cooler yet, been looking at an ultra high end air cooler maybe.

Was thinking about the noctua nh-d15

Any idea if there would be any point to replacing my 4670k with one of these? For gayming of course.

>>59024939
>For gayming of course.
Kill yourself.

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>>59024852
No, and neither does Jesus, Allah, Buddah, the many gods of Hinduism, or God himself, and those are still relevant. Are you about to tell me you're an edgy contrarian atheist because you're so logical and you want Intel Inside your boipucci?

And It reads Amada, not Amanda, you Baka.

>>59021374
>Which Ryzen CPU

The best one available for under $200 toward the end of 2019 ... probably whatever best price for Thanksgiving. I'll also be watching mobo prices vs. stability & features & performance, so a CPU/mobo combo where the CPU accounts for under $200 of the combo price.

For example, my current rig is an FX 8370e w/ a Gigabyte UD3 FX990 chipset, which I picked up over Thanksgiving 2015 for $190. At that price, I was able to fold the saved money into more & better RAM, so got 16 GB (instead of 8 GB) 1866 (instead of 1600) that runs at 10-11-11 timing. Pushed the clock to 4.3 GHz and it's a monster for the budget.

Given that as an approximation, I would expect to pick up a 1700/mobo combo (or equivalent) for sub-$300 in late 2019 or early 2020. Won't even have to get rid of my current rig; I'll just repurpose it.

The real trick is going to be to find just the bare CPU without any "value-added" crap, like a useless cooling block with ear-shredding fan. I've got a fucking box full of useless cooling blocks, most of which have never seen service because I have far superior cooling solutions that allow an aggressive overclock combined with less-than whisper quiet operation.

>>59024952
Why

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>>59024954
It's not my fault you can't spell. And my boipucci is only reserved for the true techillratt, could that mean (You)..?

But please tell me more about this person... they sound very important to you.

>>59023643
depending on how the auto oc turns out, the 1700 may be a mistake, considering most people do not oc, the 1600x would likely be better along with the 1700x if they want a 8 core.

>>59024967
/prog/dolytes are confused and injured by the idea people may have different interests and hobbies. They tend to verbally lash out, like a kicked autist.

>>59024967
you have to compile gentoo on a pc, that's it.

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>>59024984
>it's not my fault you can't spell
It's not my fault you can't read
>techillratt
And I thought I was supposed to be the one with brain damage in this shitposting collaboration.

TFW I'm still running a Q6600.

I need an upgrade but I don't want to pay full price for recently released tech,

please help.

>>59025161
Cheapest 4/4 Ryzen is only 130 burgers. Memory though.

>>59025161
Upgrade to g4560 70$ 2 cores 4 threads
Massive difference in performance compare to your quad

>>59024847
With a Fermi card

>>59025188
He needs DDR4 sticks then. They cost a lot.

>>59025204
i spent like 200 for 32GB of 3200mhz

doesnt seem so bad sepcially if you get some slower ram and less of it

>>59024935
NH-D15 is great.

>>59025204
Yes but chances are he have ddr2 so he is fucked any way and will need whole combo CPU mobo ram to do any upgrade at all so there is no alternative.

>>59024871
>SSE
>14
jesus christ

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>>59025157
It's very telling how you won't respond to my questions about your friend.

>>59022684
Then they leave no room for generational updates.

Currently, the "1" prefix in all chips indicate 1st generation Ryzen chips. Zen+ will probably be "2" with stuff like Ryzen7 2800X.

>>59025188

Tbh it's not worth it until I can get an i5 probably, intel may hugely drop their price when Ryzen comes out.

And yes I obviously need an entire system replacement including Mobo, Ram, Graphics card, fuck my PSU is 8 years old.

Want it to be sub 600 when I do it.

>>59025286
Zen+ or SuperZen or whatever, use the name for generation updates

>>59025288
want me to throw you together a $600 jewegg system so you can get a ballpark on what you're looking at?

>>59025297
That's bad branding.

They want to make Ryzen like Intel Core. Every new generation is a number. If they change the name, they lose the brand value.

>>59025310

Yes, thanks.

>>59025233
>I spent almost more than a 4c/8t ryzen costs in RAM

That's expensive, man. 32GB of DDR4 RAM shouldn't cost more than a high end CPU.

>>59025286
the APU ones coming later this year might be "2".

>>59025332
I think the APUs might use a different brand from Ryzen altogether.

Or Instead of the "R" prefix, they could use "A" or something to denote the presence of integrated graphics.

It's a different product line.

>>59024935
best you can get and the best fans you can buy before you go retarded loud with delta fans, not to mention hands down the best mounting system of any cpu cooler, at least best for an after market, an argument can be made for amd stock cooler mounting as its very simple and easy, but due to plastic bits and force you need to exert, feels like you are breaking it.

1700X for me. Nice upgrade over my 3570K

>>59024961
the wrath cooler is fairly quiet and a 212 equivalent, granted I'm likely going to get better just for the sake of cleaning and potential oc, but its hard to go wrong with amd stock.

Prob the 6c/12t if it OCs marginally to the 8c/16t. I know these are all based on the 8c model, so the 6c and 4c are expected to be 8 cores with failed modules disabled etc that probably means they won't OC as well either. Only looking for a modest OC so prob the 6c regardless honestly.

>>59025326
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zKwHbj
Comes out to $520 US before taxes and shipping, which should put it in the $600 range to your door.

>>59025332
That's not expensive at all. I can't even wrap my head around that thought, a component and capacity I need is expensive because another component can be cheaper?

Parts cost what they cost.

For most people they can easily spend less than half that for 16GB or even less for 6GB. You think 40 to 80 bucks (or less) for one of the most important (for performance or otherwise) components is expensive?

Probably a R7 1700.

>>59022354
till ddr5 comes along is what someone said.

>>59025406

Thanks,

I have an older 500GB harddrive I could use instead of the TB, knocking down the price - I could maybe pull of the 200$ Ryzen, maybe even the next one up if you think it's worth it.

If I can hold out I could wait until some big sales, could make it happen.

>>59025354
Could go either way.
On one hand, they can release updated CPUs in H1 and APU in H2 each year to get to a higher number closer to intel faster.

On the other hand, another brand name can differentiate more. I don't think they'd go with "Raven" though. Maybe they will just keep the A brand.

>>59025406
Making CPUs costs more than making DDR4 memory chips and DIMMs.

DDR4 only costs so much due to high demand of using it in phones now along with many other products.

>>59025456

oops I meant

>>59025404

>>59025458
They'll probably keep the 'A' branding.

>>59023538
no it doesn't. generational number is only if they keep the ryzen moniker, they could just call it
ryzen R8+ - 3600/4000 X
ryzen II R8+ - 3600/4000 X

hell, I would personally name the chips after what the min all core boost sustainable clock is with stock cooler with a 30-35c ambient room temp.

(name) (generation in numerals) (core count) (threaded) (base clock/boost clock/all core minimum boost at ambient on stock) (Auto overclock or not)

This way you front load all the information up front
You give a nice clear product skus for normal people to see and read
With the addition of a marketable brand name and delineation.

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>>59025276
It's very telling that you have something to hide from your attempt to steer the conversation away from your autism and towards a single facetious comment.
But keep it up, you may obtain levels of shitposting comparable to mine

Someday

1600X looks like a champ

>>59023240
you monster

>>59023240
Where it'll sit on a shelf for the next year with a $70 price tag till some grandma buys it for her grandkid because she remembers how much he likes computer games.

>>59025250
my body is fucking ready
That and my current computer probably couldn't survive another summer.

>>59025557
It's going to be
Ryzen R# AB00_
Where # = pricing
A = generation
B = product segment
_ = XFR or not

>>59022435
i don't know why this strikes me as funny but it does

>>59024830
or reduce performance to get you to upgrade
seriously, my 760 has gone from easily 60 fps medium on gta 5 to 40, and i reinstalled windows a few months ago.
never buying nvidia again, it's planned obsolescence.

the 1400x probably dont most games not even use all the cores/threads?

>>59026120
Right now no, but some modern games are starting to take advantage of multiple cores, I hope the trend continues.

>>59026141
ok so I will get which ever 4/6 core one has best OC ability. any guesses on which one will that be?

>>59026120
Think the average is around 2-4 now

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i've started having dreams about ryzen and find myself thinking about it all the time

i cant take this waiting much longer

>>59026159
imo the 1600x is the sweet spot. Better individual cores than the 1700.

>>59026183
I haven't had a dream about it but I was happily talking to my dad about how AMD is releasing new chips.

>>59026183
Same. Can't wait for the excitement of waiting for your parts to come.
>tfw your parts finally come
>tfw building a PC from scratch
It's addicting. Too bad I'm a poorfag so I only get to experience it once every 3-4 years.

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>>59024871
lmao that fucking memory latency

ryzen confirmed DOA

>>59026215
>cut down 8 core
>better cores
Lmao. All the non-8 core ryzens will be worse because they're essentially faulty 8 cores.

>>59026220

Been running a 1366 platform, only upgraded to SSDs when they price dropped and a 390 from a 5850.

Upgrading isnt what it used to be.

>>59026220
>3-4 years

Wew, mr. luxury over here. I'm not buying new parts until the US dollar crashes again.

>>59026261
Upgrading the GPU or storage is not as exciting as upgrading the CPU, motherboard and RAM, but I understand what you mean.
I just love unboxing a new motherboard and installing the CPU and cooler.

I currently have a 4670k and a shitty asrock z87 mobo with mismatched RAM (a stick of slow as fuck 4gb 1333mhz ram and two sticks of 2gb).

I've been wanting buy 16gb of RAM, but I can't justify spending money on obsolete ddr3 RAM. Can't wait for Ryzen. I'm probably getting the 1700.

Definitely none of them. But I do hope it pushes Intel to pull up their socks a bit and actually do something interesting.

>>59026325

New platform builds feel good man. I dont have any issues with how well 1366 has lasted me. Especially after seeing how jew Intel has gotten since then. Not soldering heatspreaders is blasphemy

>>59021795
The one with most cores

>>59024627
lol

>>59026466
>use underhanded tactics to fuck AMD then continue jewing us like normal

Kek

>>59026466

A market cornered by one company isnt FREEDOM.

>>59026606

Ill be drinking Intelfag tears for years if this turns into a new Athlon 64 v P4 HT massacre.

If it performs how it should, probably the 1700x

>>59021374
people said its 250$...
now it's 500$.

what the fuck.
when it comes out it will be 1000$?

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>>59027228
I wonder who's behind this post...

>>59021388
TDP does not mean power consumption you retard.

Also, check the TDP for similar clocked Intel 8 cores before making asinine comments.

>>59021388
Current Intel K series quad cores are 91W. Twice as many cores for 4 more watts is a much better deal.

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I'm pretty sure any one of those is gonna be an upgrade from my cpu, but I'm most likely going to get a 6c/12t one, pretty mid-priced, but I know for certain it will be fantastic and I'll be set for another 5-6 years just like I was with this 6300.

>>59021795
Ryzen 5 1500, best value

Will people even care about crossfire or SLI with Ryzen?
What about Dual Graphics with an RX 460 and the Raven Ridge APU?

Looks exciting, but what a dumb fucking naming scheme from a marketing POV

What they should have done to make it


Ryzen 3 = none, because the lowest core count is 4, and making the 4 cores "ryzen3" makes it sound like they're similar to an i3 when in reality they're more similar to an i5.

So in my mind, it should be
Ryzen 5 =4 cores
Ryzen 7 =more powerful quad cores and hexa-cores, that (spec wise at least) compete with i7s
Ryzen 9=8 cores+. Since Intel doesn't have i9, it would make it sound like amd Ryzen 9s are better, from a psychological pov.

Also, a Ryzen 5 that costs significantly less than an i5 would make an average consumer think that he's getting performance similar to an i5 for a lot less money.

Amd might fail purely because of their shit naming scheme

>>59022233
I don't think it will beat it in single core performance, maybe the 1700 will, I think that's why the line up the numbers so similar.

>>59021887
Yeah, if we could only have some reliable benchmarks comparing them to current gen intel I could pick my ryzen processor wisely

>>59027228
No one ever said 250
It was always thought to be 350
And it's actually less.

Delivered? They fucking knocked it out of the park

>>59027471
>>59027228
Uhh most people assumed it'd be something like 80-90% the performance at 60-80% the cost.

Instead they look to be delivering 85-95% the performance at 35-60% of the cost.

My guess for the 1700X they were saying would match the i7-6900k was $650. That's really around what most tech analysts and reviewers were guessing a month ago as well after the event.
Instead it's fucking $389. That's insane.

And the 6core/12t 1500 for 2/3rds the price of a i7-7700k msrp? That's nuts.

>>59027272
Mate I was fucking here in the last month.
Last week after all the hype "omg intel killer 250$ only", "it beats the best, for only 250$"... okay I said.

I might jump the hypetrain if it's really 250$.
NOW? It's fucking 500$.
But once it arrives to dealers I expect it to be 600-700.
Unless it turns out to be a shit leak only, and the real pricing will be 800$.

To be honest these are two mega-fuck-huge corporations, and I am sure none of them will be undercutting the other that much. And without that - I fear to buy it, see how the previous Radeons turned out, how shit Bulldozer was, etc.

>>59027444
Honestly, AMD should stop naming their CPUs after Intels (again) and come up with something better.
They need to have the first number represent the number of cores, then base+turbo frequencies, then unlocked multiplers/TDP, and then whether it has hyperthreading or not (for the quad-core model only)
For instance
>Ryzen R4-3236XN
For a quad-core, overclockable non-hyperthreaded Ryzen with 3.2 base clock and 3.6 Turbo
>Ryzen R4-3539
For the quad-core hyperthreaded but non-overclockable 65W TDP model that has a 3.5GHz base, 3.9GHz boost

It's like how the German car companies used to name their models back in the 60s and 70s by their cars engine displacement and class.

>>59027467
literally nothing of this matters until reviews are out, just 12 more days.

>>59027586
>>>/autismspeaks/

>>59027620
Then come up with something better

>>59027586
I would prefer something like this
R7 1800X = R9 4000+
R7 1700X = R9 3800+
R7 1700 = R9 3700
R5 1600X = R7 3700+
R5 1500 = R7 3400
R5 1400X = R5 3900+
R5 1300 = R5 3600
R3 1200X = R4 3800+
R3 1100 = R4 3500

RX where odd numbers are cores + hyperthreading enabled and even numbers are just cores
Number behind RX is just the boost clock
the plus behind the number means it has Extended Frequency Range

>>59024871
Where do you get those stats?

>>59025362
>>59025235


Did some more research and just bought one, thanks for the confirmation.

>>59023432

65w TDP.
8 cores, 16 threads.
Use your imagination.

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>>59027579
Wow, that's a totally valid concern to a fictional event.

1400x or 1200x probably

>>59027579
>Unless it turns out to be a shit leak only, and the real pricing will be 800$.
I've seen the prices on an online retailer before they took it down. The R7 1700X really will go for i7-7700K money.

>>59021374

fuck those prices destroy the i3 and even i5 market

assuming they run games just as fast

>>59028138
There's really no reason they shouldn't. They're within 5% IPC and can clock nearly as high.

>>59028002
He's right though.
"Supply and demand" is going to kick in and cause these CPUs to be grossly overpriced by retailers. AMD will not be able to keep up with demand.
Or rather, they CAN keep up with demand, but intel leaning on major retailers means that most retailers will pretend there's a shortage and raise their prices to prevent people from buying AMD products.

The reduced sales are offset by the increased price, as the demand is pretty solid, there are people who are buying Ryzen no matter what.

>>59021795
I'm going to to the 1800X (depending on cooling requirements)
1600X looks like it should be the most cost efficient buy.

>>59028169
AMD is almost certainly sourcing from both GloFo and Samsung (which they can do with the new WSA).

If the clocks on the 8c chips are as high as they are and the clocks on the lower chips as low as they are, there's not going to be a problem of supply. I'd wager they're getting 75-80% usable dies from the wafers, if not above 50% for the 8c chips alone.

>>59028169

Why are retailers allowed to jack up the prices on cpu/gpu? Isn't that illegal?

And if it isn't, why don't these same retailers jack up the prices on something like the Nintendo Switch which would still sell out if they priced it at $350 or $400.

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>>59028169
You must be autistic, why do you think the launch has been pushed out so far?

This is a once in a DECADE opportunity for AMD. They will have examined all the important factors regarding potential demand, planned supply before release, then made sure a shortage problem wouldn't happen by having an oversupply for even the most optimistic outlook. They'll make sure there's plenty of inventory. Itd be BEYOND foolish to do otherwise.

It's better to have a high demand and higher supply for a product whose supply you can control completely than to have an unexpectedly low supply and high demand.

Surely Jim Keller made sure to mention this real basic strategy to everyone involved.

>>59022410
UNREAL TOURNAMENT 4

/g/ what the fuck is the difference between x370 and b350 besides the ports?

>>59024967
>For gayming of course.
>of course.

>>59028293
You don't understand- intel will be literally bribing retailers to reduce sales of AMD products.
False scarcity.

>>59028169
And yes, I ignored your /x/ tier conspiracy theory.

Intel can't bribe every supplier, it'd be way too fucking obvious

We'll have a repeat of the Dell fiasco, and a repeated offense won't look too well in a court of law.

>>59022171
Have a look at intel's laptop cpus are you will be horrified.

>>59021374
Currently running a I5-4690k stock clocks, not planning on upgrading for some more years.

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>>59022684
Too much numbers, normies would be confused nonetheless.

>>59027296
does the K stand for Kike

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>>59027579
WOW /g/ TROLLS REPRESENT EDUCATED PREDICTIONS

>>59027586
Na.

>>59023538

>>59027444
then people will again blame them for misleading naming which would in he end backfire

like it is now is better , if CPUs really turn out to be good they will look superior to Intel and will be easier to compare plus cheaper

>>59022819
Literally millions of illegal voters!

>>59028530
Literally millions of racists!

>>59028224
I've heard that the yields are far higher than expected.

I think that's why in December I think it was at that event that first showed running Ryzens said "1700X performs as well as a i7-6900k but isn't over $1000" and then it ended up not only not costing very close to $1000, but it ended up being $389. No one actually expected the yields to be so good.

I run lots of programs at once, I also bot 2 games with emulators

currently am using fx 6300 and it lags like a mofo

should i get ryzen or switch to intel since I have to upgrade my mobo and ram anyway

>>59028334
I believe XFR may only work on X300 and X370 boards but there is no confirmation of that, it's just my guess.
Besides that, they will be higher quality for the best overclocking.

>>59028576
>should I support Jews that reduced the amount of TIM used on $340 CPUs to save less than a penny per CPU, causing temps to jump 15%, and requiring me to void my warranty to get the CPU to run at acceptable temps, or should I buy AMD

I think you're beyond help.

>>59026105
its funny, when nvidia isn't able to gimp their cards as in dx12 or vulcan, the 780ti performs damn near 980, but when they can it's down below the 970 and closer to 960

never really got any 'its gimped' all we get is maybe its a bug to the more purposeful, its old hardware so they aren't optimizing for it anymore, but then we got a halo wars beta that just showed where nvidia cards really rank and that pretty much confirmed the gimping.

>>59026223
not really able to figure out what that latency means in real world. I know the memory was shit and when in an intel machine it didn't go over 40, but I have no real idea what it means.

>>59026250
one core fucks up on what would otherwise be gold silicon, now it's a 6 core.

>>59027808
mine are from benching passmark myself, the others are ryzen in passmark and that was done by a boutique builder, either amd leaked through them, or they posted it before they should have.

they used 17-17-17-17-39 2400 (possibly lower) ram, pretty much worse then anything you can buy today.

>>59029782
>>59026105
Haha I love how people think NVidia gimps older cards with driver updates when the reality is that the 300-900 series was just SHIIIIIITTTTTT and NVidia was selling snakeoil to gamers in order to keep those cards from being bought as workstation cards which cut into their overpriced workstation GPU sales.

They had massively gimped GPGPU/compute performance which games are actually using a lot now since the consoles/AMD have amazing GPGPU performance.

They finally fixed that with Pascal, but it's a big reason why I never bought an Nvidia GPU in the first place.

I got a non-reference 7970 and it's still as good or better than a 970 and almost as good as a 980 in a lot of games. lmao.

>>59029869

GCN finewine technology. Let me hold onto my 5850 for a hell of alot longer then it should have lasted. The 2 Buttcoin booms sort of forced I WANT UPGRADE NOW fags and Nvidia had them all the way through.