MediaTek cuts order by 50% amid very low demand for new flagship chip

>>59012562
Mediakek is shit. Can't even play HEVC on "8-core".

>>59012562
>violating GPL left and right
Good, those people are fucking annoying

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I'm Brazilian, a disgusting national company called "Positivo" released a 10-core mediakek smartphone, the ads were hilarious normie bullshit, like "TEN CORES, IT'S FAST AF BUY IT NOW" and favela kids dancing with it.

It was a failure tho, sad to see they can't even compete with snapshit.

Glad to hear it.

Mediatek is literally worse than Hitler.

Haha nice I hate competition

>>59012646
> 10-core
sorry, it was actually 8-core.
here's a ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0CFfA-bsO8

>>59012562
Its because of Qualcomm. Their new parts are priced extremely competitively, and a $12 Qualcomm chip will out perform a $10 MediaTek chip, so they're eating into MediaTek's market share.
MediaTek is like the big guy of the little ARM vendors. They usually compete with dirt cheap but super high volume chips, ranging down to the level of Allwinner and Rockchip, but they had higher top tiers as well. Qualcomm is taking away that upper tier leaving only the bottom of the market.

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>>59012684
Maybe now NVidia can step up with their Tegra chips, right?

Why do people hate Mediatek?

>>59013857
Mediatek basically just takes off-the-shelf ARM core designs and stuffs like 8-10 cores in a chip. They don't do any actual innovation.

I don't want a Qualcomm monopoly, but they seem to be one of the few aside from Samsung and Apple who actually do any real design.

>>59013857
Ship with broken drivers

Never fix drivers

Never ship sources

One of the worst GPL violators of all time

>>59012581
redmi note 2 with helio x10 owner here
it plays hevc perfectly

>>59012562
>MediaKek
Nothing of value was lost

>>59013886
Qualcomm hasn't been able to do successful design since the 801, they went back to ARM designed cores after the 820

>>59012698
The average person (aka "non-gamer") doesn't really need anything more than a snapdragon 430 or 625. They won't be able to feel the difference in performance between a flagship and mid range snapdragon chip.

>>59013908
K6000 pro user here.
Just werks on my device.

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>>59014517
This
My $100 phone since 2014.
I give it to my mom and she is like "wow it's really fast" and very happy with it (doing Facebook, YouTube, Asphalt 6, Bejeweled flawless).

>>59012646
>HIV-Positivo
>brazillian

>>59012704
Maybe if Tegra suddenly stops being garbage, then yeah.

>>59014202
my nigga.
Have a Note 2 as well and completely satisfied.
Can someone explain to me why i need a smartphone with the latest CPU and 2GB+ Ram?

>>59012696
I'm glad I don't live in Brazil.

>>59013886
>They don't do any actual innovation.
This isn't really true. Its true that MediaTek doesn't design custom ARM cores, but they do however have a substantial amount of relevant IP they've developed. They created a coherent multicore fabric that allows them to swap a workload in flight between multiple cores in big.LITTLE configruation.
Their top end 10 core chip is actually 3 core clusters. They have big cores, moderately clocked little cores, and low clocked little cores. This combined with their coherent fabric allows them far greater granularity in power savings depending on the intensity of a workload. Its a solid concept, but they tend to be lacking in other areas of the SoC, though they do have a pretty good internally designed DSP for image processing and high speed video capture.

>>59014686
Fucking this. Tegra has been an objective failure on every front, I'll never understand why /g/ wants to suck NVidia cock when they've never accomplished anything on the ARM front.

>>59015087
Nvidia has a few really big accomplishments in the ARM space.
They managed to make multiple smartphone SoCs that pulled so much power under load that no one wanted them. Thats noteworthy.
The Tegra X1 equipped Shield TV will pull 20w, and still stutter in games.

>>59015087
ARM CPUs are known for their low power consumption and Nvidia proved to the world you can make a power hungry ARM.
That's got to be an accomplishment.

>>59014452
source on that info?

>>59015215
Hes flat out wrong.
The 835 still uses Qualcomm's Kryo core architecture.

>>59012562
People are still buying smartphones in this day and age?

>>59012592
Violating GPL = no custom ROMs

>>59012696
They do have several 10-core SoCs though. They all suck

Rockchip seem to be doing much better, chromebooks, linux SBC now.

>>59013857
No ROMs and garbage GPUs.

>>59015258
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tiriasresearch/2017/02/09/the-snapdragon-835-represents-a-strategic-shift-for-qualcomm/#798fe66d4c42
Prepare for the new 8 core housefire.

I want to get a cheap kogan mediatek phone, it has a 2000 mah battery, would that run out too fast do you think?

>>59016544
Which one?

Oukitel c5 pro uses mtk6737 with 2000mAh and gets 4-5 hours SoT

>>59014202
>>59014798
okay then, does it perfectly play 1080p HEVC 10-bit though?

>>59015215
>>59015258
He's absolutely correct on that info.
The 835 uses "Kryo 280" cores, which are a semi-custom ARM design (read: completely stock ARM cores, with at most some minor front end changes).
Qualcomm simply brands those as Kryo due to marketing reasons (and admitting that their own architecture was a failure yet again)

>>59014452
Make that Scorpion instead of Krait and you're correct.

>>59016544
the Kogan Agora 6 4G LTE, it has a MTK6753

There is literally not one chip developer with anything near modern performance that doesn't violate the GPL.

Literally any of them, Rockchip, SVGX or whatever, every single piece of hardware in mini computers is locked down to fuck while using free hardware and software.

There STILL isn't a dual/quad core stick computer with unlocked bootlader as far as I know. Only the MK802 had it.

>>59016638
Shouldn't be too bad. Mt6753 isn't a great performer and it was one of the more efficient Mediatek processors.

>>59014871
Source?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10948/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-kryo-280-adreno-540/2

>Qualcomm did not disclose which ARM cores serve as the foundation for Kryo 280, but the Cortex-A53 is the obvious choice for the efficiency cores, while the performance cores are likely based on the A72 or A73.

QUALSHIT IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT\

KYRO IS A BUST

>>59016657
Cool thanks, I just want to replace my moto e, Ive already replaced the battery but this thing only has 4gb of storage and after android updates it lags like crazy

>>59016628
>use ARMs design
>it's shit
>turn back to own design
>currently the best SOC overall
Hmmm. They better keep "failing" then.

is anyone here an engineer? what leads to improvements? is it trial and error?

>>59016628
This is just grasping at straws. Qualcomm is not using a bone stock ARM core.

>>59016746
>>currently the best SOC overall
H A H A
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>>59016777
I dunno then why did their stock go down

>>59016777
>The BoC license allows Qualcomm to make certain changes to a stock ARM core, thereby, creating a semi-custom core that aligns more closely with its performance and power targets, achieves better integration with its proprietary IP (GPU, DSP, etc.), and is specially tailored to the workloads and applications Qualcomm is targeting. There are parts of the microarchitecture that cannot be altered, however. The decoder width and execution pipelines are off limits, for example, because the amount of redesign would be too extensive. For this reason, many of the possible changes involve branch prediction and instruction fetch in the front end.
As I said, stock ARM cores with maybe minor front end changes

>>59016821
Did you write that?

>>59016762
>trial and error
You find better versions of existing hardware, compare the qualities you want and the problems that may arise, for "ticks" you take your existing design and just use smaller versions of it, for "tocks" you redesign, i.e. take shit out (old decoders or hardware crutches), add shit in (new decoders, integrate more stuff), if there's a new memory controller or some shit you have that put in.

Occasionally they can rebalance the power blocks and stuff. With sub-optimal power distribution or odd requirements you can improve the performance-per-watt by a lot, as well as sometimes get higher clocks.

>>59016832
No. Did you?

>>59016832
Of course he didn't. Hes copy/pasting bland speculation and making retarded assumptions based off of it.

>>59016832
Are you incapable of searching with quotes?

Just put quotes around quotes and you can find them faggot

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10948/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-kryo-280-adreno-540/2

>>59016832
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10948/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-kryo-280-adreno-540/2
It was even posted earlier in this thread.

>>59016855
What the fuck are you even trying to say?
Would you rather me quoting myself to prove my point?

>>59016858
Hahahaha take the bait why don't ya

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>>59016892
Why would someone go on the internet and pretend to be a retard

Is it like they have a severe mental disease

>>59016838
Is it true that PPC and x86 have alot of legacy stuff holding them back or is that misinformation

>>59016912
no you

>>59016918
For x86 looks like it just is a "less optimal" CPU, using CISC operations and as a result, more power or area hungry chips.

PPC was probably just deprecated because ARM got better, and it did had some old stuff (like support for big and small endian) and remove stuff for performance.

A big problem with RISC processors is while their performance-per-watt is usually better by a lot than CISC, their performance-per-cycle is much worse, literally by the way the chip philosophy works.

>>59012562
I got a MediaTek 8-core. The individual cores are so weak it's practically useless. It's gimmicky trash. They deserve to go under.

>>59014517
>Snapdragon 210
Kill me

>>59017031
So you can't scale up an arm Soc and get the same performance? I heard that the reason amd failed with their bulldozer line is because they were trying to copy the Power series and fucked it up is that true?

>>59017104
I would say that's absurd. AMD failed because they lacked technology, and literally had more money going to marketing than to their engineers.

They had a computer lay out the CPU components, which sounds sensible, but turns out it's really really not.

>>59017195
I heard that Jim Keller isnt even qualified and is basically a glorified project manager without any engineering knowledge, is that true?

Mediatek is the AMD of smarts and Qualcomm is Nvidia

As we can see, Qualcomm sucks and mediatek sucks way more than Qualcomm

>>59016612
post video link and I'll test it

>>59016762
A lot of engineering is empirical.

>>59016762
I'm engineer. Power electronics. Don't know how is it with socs, the closest thing I can relate to is PC PSU.

Problem is if you work with more than 20 people, even if you come with something better for solution for problem, many will prefer to not implement it or implement only part of it crippling the benefits and if managers don't react they must scrap it and use old one. The only time that you can make something drastic if competitor come up with some thing radically new and better and management is in panic mode. I'm sure every ARM manufacturer have ace under its sleeve without even knowing about it.

>>59018768
>I'm engineer.
Sure you are, Ramesh, sure you are.

>>59012562
Nobody saw this coming

>>59017104
>>59017238
You hear a lot of bullshit. None of what you've posted is even vaguely true and five minutes on Wikipedia will debunk it.

>tfw Qualcomm drove TI, the only good smartphone SoC vendor, out of the market by threatening all of TI's smartphone SoC customers with patent lawsuits
>tfw Qualcomm is pulling the same shit again with MediaTek, AllWinner, Rockchip, and others

>>59019482
I like Mediatek. They're not as efficient but they offer better performance/price than Qualcomm usually.