>tfw Intel just destroyed Ryzen with one simple trick

What if AMD demand them for dumping?

If they do that within 2 weeks of Ryzen release it will be confirmed everyone who bought a Skylate or Kaby lake has been ripped off

>>59008995
200 burgers for quad-core with no SMT? What a ripoff.

>>59008995
i don't get it

>>59009346
this, intel must carve off a limb from themselves either way

>>59009358
lol you think cores = speed?

>>59009388
No, combination of IPC, clocks and cores is. And 6core Zen is only 229 burgers which is filthy cheap.

>>59009358
Yep. Just two years ago you could get an i5-4690k or E3-1230v3 for less than 200. Right now they're about 250 dollars brand new on amazon (205 for the xeon, which I think is the better value).

Performance has stagnated, and prices are fucked.

>>59009411
I doubt it will be as fast as an i5-7600k.

>>59008995

ryzen still 50 dollars cheaper

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>>59009411
this

>>59009435
I can OC it, and oh boy, it does not turn into housefire while OCing because it's fucking SOLDERED. FUCK YOU INTEL YOU GREEDY KIKES.

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>>59009457
DELET

>>59009457
>soldered
Enjoy your nano cracking every time you use it, basement boy.

OP here, how can I delete this post? I get an error saying I cannot delete?

Is this supposed to be a bad thing? Consumers benefit from price competition. That's why Intel prices have been steadily rising.

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>tfw you bought a babylake

>>59009476
Dunno my 2600k still has the same temps it had years ago. Fuck you kiketel.

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>>59009476
>intelcucks actually believe this

>>59009496
I bought Skylake a year ago and I'm happy. This just means my next upgrade will be cheaper. You should be happy too. There was no way you could have predicted Ryzen would be genuinely good, and you benefit from the competition next time you upgrade.

>>59009411
>Needing more cores
I mean....

>>59009513
Yes schlomo, more cores, cheap, for everyone.

>>59009501
>>59009506
What is expansion and contraction of dissimilar metals

>>59008995
Intlel shill detected
$0.02 has been deposited into your account

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>>59009513
This, the human eye can only see 2 core. 4 cores is already overkill.

>>59009513
Here's some reviews of a highly overclocked Skylake Pentium. It loses pretty hard to a stock speed i5.

http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-pentium-g4400-processor-review-skylake_179724/4

>>59009511
Why is it assumed that Ryzen will be genuinely good. Seems to me that they are hyping it up and exploiting that most people could never tell the difference between an i5 and i7 in the first place.

>>59009528
Games don't take advantage of anything more than 4 cores which is why having fast cores matter than MOARCORESmeme. Having 6-8 cores is stupid unless you are a content creator.

>>59009541
>you don't need it, goy
>also buy Intel and don't forget to delid it if you want acceptable temps

>>59008995
you'd need to halve that again to make up for mobo costs

>>59009476
>>59009501
>>59009506
>>59009529
Does anyone remember the massive nVidia Thinkpad fuckup that happened because of this? I can see a dark future for this.

>>59009346
This

Everyone will be pissed

>>59009539
Let's have a quick history lesson. Bulldozer was designed around the idea that programs would begin to be massively parallel, using many cores to perform integer math. It neglected single core performance and floating point performance, which hobbled it in most applications (because in 2012 nobody actually used more than 2 cores when programming).

Two things have changed that separate Ryzen from Bulldozer, relative to their contemporary competition:

1. Ryzen can keep up with Skylake in single-core performance.
2. Applications are starting to actually use moar cores, with certain games scaling well up to eight or more threads. DX12 will accelerate this.

>>59009541
you mean (((content creator)))

>>59009541
Is this 2012? GTAV scales well up to eight cores, and DX12 will allow scaling to an arbitrary core count.

Poorfags hate him, how?
'With this one simple trick: Watch!
http://overclocking.guide/the-truth-about-cpu-soldering/

>>59009600
>Ryzen can keep up with Skylake in single-core performance.

That's a pretty general statement that I won't even get into an argument about. I will be selling my shares the day of launch. I've seen this cinderella story before.

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>>59008995

>>59009634
Either
1. The benchmarks are wrong and we have no data
Or
2. The benchmarks are right and the single thread performance is good

There isn't a scenario where you can logically infer poor single thread performance based on available data.

>>59009619
>Micro cracks occur after about 200 to 300 thermal cycles. A thermal cycle is performed by going from -55 °C to 125 °C while each temperature is hold for 15 minutes.
Nice try schlomo.

>>59009541

CPU scaling is a legit thing in the new APIs.

No amount of denial will change that.

>>59008995
I got my 4770k for that price at MC 3 goddamn years ago. It's not even that great a deal for MC standards. They also had a 2500k for $100 once.

>>59009619
Interesting read, thanks.

>>59009652
Not that anon but wtf? Bad data is worse than no data.

>>59009346
They will. Expect entry level i7 for $230-250. Sad!
You'll still better off buying a $170 4 core 8 thread ryzen 1300 because the motherboards also cheaper.

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>>59009727
is it really though?

>>59009760
yes

>>59009541
>which is why having fast cores matter than MOARCORESmeme
Why do kike shills keep repeating this? Ryzen single core is on par with babbylake, maybe a couple % slower. In turn you get double the cores and threads for a LOWER PRICE than a fucking 4 core babby piece of shit processor.

>>59009727
And what evidence do we have the data is bad?

>>59009777
Anandtech and HardOCP forums

>>59009754
>Expect entry level i7 for $230-250.
They used to be 230-250 dollars two years ago.

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>>59009788

They REALLY are on fire too.

>>59009801
I don't think so, kike. 4 core 8 thread unlocked (k) i7 have been $350 for years now.

>>59009754
And no one will buy them still because you can get an 6800k/6900k equivalent CPU from AMD for the same price.

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>>59008995
>implying retailers will pass on the "savings"
KIKES, EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.

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Consider this:
A whole generation is experiencing fast AMD CPUs for their first time.
Most gamers are 13-17, after all.

>>59009996
Everyone should touch something designed by Keller at least once in their life.

>>59009754
The whole motherboard thing is bullshit tho
sage

>>59009777
>>59009788
>>59009849
As much as I want to believe, this is a setup for disappointment lads.

>>59010062
What the heck are you talking about?

>>59010038
Lmao, look at this little kike shill. AM4 motherboards ready for overclocking start at $50. A $100 AM4 motherboard is equivalent to a $170-200 Shilltel motherboard.

>>59010075
Obvious hype cycle. Kek's first mistake.

>>59010087
But Trump won. So will AMD.

>>59010094
You don't get it. Trump is Intel all day. You would rip the timeline and Trump will be impeached. Literally can't happen.

Stop hating on Intel. Intel has some of the best engineers in the world when it comes to metallurgy. They know exactly what they are doing.

>>59010144
Sorry but my dad who works undercover is the best blacksmith on the planet.

>>59010082
he's right, you know

>>59010082
Bullfuckingshit that manufactures are going to deliver the same level of quality at that drastically a lower price point. AMD boards have always been cheap shit that couldn't overclock unless you bought an expensive motherboard, aka just like Intel. AMD has always had cheap motherboards because they were always shit anyway, they were budget processors made for the budget market. Suck a dick you little blind fanboy.

>>59009457
you can overclock literally any skylake intel cpu. intel just does not want you to know.

>>59008995
Their real counterattack begins when coffee lake.

>>59009581
It wasn't because they soldered a heatspreader onto the die
In fact those GPUs had no heat spreader at all

>>59010199
>Bullfuckingshit that manufactures are going to deliver the same level of quality at that drastically a lower price point.
You're mindfucked, kike puppet. You've been getting jewed for so long, you're basically brainwashed. You realize the only reason kiketel motherboards are more expensive is because of licensing? $100-150 for a motherboard capable of overclocking (even a little) is ridiculous.
>same level of quality at that drastically a lower price point.
That's exactly what's happening, both with AMD's processors and the motherboards. It's sad seeing you kike puppets go crazy over this. Maybe you'll finally realize Intel has been ripping you off since 2010.

>>59010270
I'm twice your age, easily, you little dumbshit. There was never any expensive AMD motherboards because AMD is a budget brand selling weak budget parts for poor budget gamers. What's the point in a mobo thats twice as much as the cpu? You are so deluded to think independent companies like ASUS or MSI or whoever is in cahoots with Intel, and that they are not absolutely salivating at all the money they are going to make off you faggots with Ryzen mobos. Stupid shit really thinks mobo manufactures really charge 50% more "just because" Those cheap as shit $50 or $100 mobo's you were bragging about will be no better than the Intel competing product at the same price point. sage

>>59010328
Holyyyy shit this level of shitposting should not be possible.

>>59008995
How can you be so retarded to not realize regardless of what cpu you buy AMD releasing Ryzen has helped you??

>>59010082
>Lmao, look at this little kike shill. AM4 motherboards ready for overclocking start at $50. A $100 AM4 motherboard is equivalent to a $170-200 Shilltel motherboard.

lol no. the entry level am4 motherboards will only be for low end apus and the 65w summit ridge skus, just like the shitty am2/am3 boards were.

>>59009425
>tfw got 4790k for $250 in 2015 and ain't fucking upgrading for a while

>>59010349
Ryzen is the next big thing. It's apparently more powerful than Intel's $1000 offerings, and you really believe $50-100 mobo's will be the norm? These AMD boards will be just as feature-rich and price inflated as every other consumer product launched in the last 10 years.

>>59010267
Wow, that's fucking bad. Fuck nvidia

It's always been that price. What gives? Are you a faggot, Op?

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>>59010387
>usedcuck
Enjoy your dying CPU while I get an 8 core 16 thread for the same price.

>>59010328
His argument was that mobo manufacturers are 'in cahoots', it's that they have to recoup licensing fees Intel charges them. Can you even read?

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>>59010438
>used
No Microcenter, brand new muthafucka.

I aint buying a used CPU, guarantees its either been fucked or is a known bad OC'r

>>59010438
Your waitfagging cost you years of enjoyment, tho.

>>59009476
nano cracking is regarding DIY solder. The industrial process doesn't crack.

you should leave /g/

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>all these buyer's remorse intelkikefags lying and crying
Lmao keep it coming, cucks.

>>59010458
>I aint buying a used CPU, guarantees its either been fucked or is a known bad OC'r

i've never had a bad experience buying used, especially with CPUs, my $100 2600k has lasted me for 3 years now.

>>59010421
...most GPUs don't have a heatspreader because they don't really expect you to ever remove the cooler. Laptop CPUs don't have a heatspreader, either.

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>>59010458
>he thinks it's brand new
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Enjoy your "refurbished" trash, goy.
>4 cores
>in 2017

>>59010453
Show me these fees, and show me this supposed massive price disparity that exists. It's all in your head. No one would buy a pricey amd board historically because it wouldn't be worth it. I can go right now and find cheap motherboards all day long for Intel. You guys are really reaching with your delusions here.

>>59010458
You paid tax, so you didn't pay $250, amerifat

>>59010467
No could wait for 8 years for AMD to get their shit together you delusional faggot.

>>59010482
No it was new.

Also, enjoy your wasting money on ddr4 placebo prices for marginal performance gain.

>>59010478
It can be OK if you dont care about getting OC lottery chance. If you got a used chip that was a good overclocker then you were really lucky.

>>59010507
>amerifat
>Euro wanting to bring up taxes as if that'll make it as if he gets things cheaper

>>59010527
>implying i'm europeen

>>59010536
it only gets worse from there then

>>59010541
Tennessee isn't that bad

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>>59010511
>No it was new.
Sure it was. Sellers are legally allowed to sell refurbished products as new.
>Also, enjoy your wasting money on ddr4 placebo prices for marginal performance gain.
Yes, marginal gains with an 8 core 16 thread CPU and 3000+ MHz RAM. Silly little 4 core babby.

>>59010560
t. nigger

>>59009513
Luckily for me I actually do

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>>59010561
Again: you knuckle dragging neanderthal: No one could wait for 8 years for amd to get their shit together. What would you want me to do? Buy an 8350? Is that what you did? Buy an 8350?

>>59010186
>Overclocking really means anything
This meme, again?

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>>59010599
No, Goy, you don't need that extra 20% performance for free, buy this locked Xeon, or this nice Core i7 for only 6 gorillion shekels

>>59010270
Have you ever bought a piece of AMD equipment? Do you think anybody who had a need greater than gaymen would honestly buy AMD? What does the enterprise world run on? The military, NASA, you name it. And then some poorfags come through and declare that they are getting a better product? A better product for what? Wasting their lives? I know you're too much of a pussy to kys, but don't burden the truly living productive members of society with you autistic, body odorous shill.

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>>59010632
What the hell, man. Rude. Pixar, maybe?

>>59010461
>The industrial process doesn't crack.
Wewwwww lad. Can't wait for the Ryzen launch. I've been buying Intel.

>>59010627
Sure thing. Everyone must overclock their system, spend time finding a good stable overclock with days of testing. Please also buy a bigger cooler so the CPU will actually run at those new frequencies without hitting the thermal limit.

Overclocking is for those interested in overclocking. Don't assume everyone else must do the same.

>>59010627
Does the majority of this board think processors are expensive?

Do you all make 50k a year or less or something?

>>59010785
The're about to get even cheaper, goyim

>>59010758
buy x version
click yes please auto oc
install 212 evo when you put it together

>>59010978
Dude AMD Wraith is basically 212EVO and its on the box.

>>59010010

Yeah, kids will touch it right before they throw that shit directly into the bin where it belongs; amongst the other trash.

>>59010978
You should still run a stress test for a while. Because some automatic tool found something that works after a few minutes doesn't make it stable.

>>59011004
(you) for an attempt.

>>59010632
>"truly living productive members of society"

It says condescendingly while burdening the truly living productive members of society while not being a truly living nor productive adult who is ultimately wasting his own time in the same fashion shitposting on a Malaysian kayaking enthusiast forum.

You really are a genetic abnormality, abortion should be legalised and mandatory enforced for clinically diagnosed retards.

>>59011010
sure but assuming it works properly or even keeps it on the low side it should work fine for people who wouldn't bother otherwise. This is still to be seen how well it will work but it doesn't seem too hard to make it work well

>>59011010
It's not a 'tool', it's a CPU feature. Ryzen chip is stuffed with sensors to make XFR werk.

>>59010785
i make 38000 a year, and that's pretty good for my location. 500$ a month I have free to spend on whatever.

So no, I'm not poor. I don't think processors are expensive. I just don't think I should be paying 350$ for a "new" chip that has the same performance as the last "new" 350$ chip that Intel shit out.

I'm not poor, I'm just looking to get my money's worth. 4c/8t for 350 in 2017 is not that.

>>59011049
>XFR
So it's not overclocking. It's running within specs as defined by the manufacturer.

I souped up my civic today because vtec kicked in.

>>59011130
for XFR there are no hard lines the processor can't cross as far as is known. It's all down to the determination of algorithms in the chip itself.

Yes, it's technically defined by the manufacturer, but it's nothing like any turbo that's ever been seen on any CPU before.

>>59011283
Nope. Have fun with your secure backdoor.

intel got to stop being greedy.

>b-but muh patents
>m-muh advance tech
fuck you intel.

>>59011283
amd respects your wallet.

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>>59008995
>"What the fuck Intel!? I bought an i5 7600k Just 32 days ago!"

That worked real well

>>59011365
Considering AMD's contributions to open source, I beg to differ.

>>59011324
>>b-but muh patents
You're an idiot.

Intel and AMD have had a cross license agreement for decades now. AMD is free to use any Intel patents with zero fear of litigation, likewise Intel is free to use and AMD patents.

That means AMD could literally make a CPU that is an exact copy of the i7-7700k except it has 1152 pins instead of 1151 and sell it and Intel would not do shit (the only stipulations they have is that their CPUs cannot be directly compatible with the competitor's infrastructure; hence my example of a different pin count, the other stipulation is that if either AMD or Intel get bought out by someone, the agreement is terminated).

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/2488/000119312509236705/dex102.htm

>>59009541
Dx11 ended a while go, mate.

I wish I had the balls to delid my 4770K

>>59009652
Tentative hope is clearly the best reaction to the available data, leaks have been wrong before.
Especially since the chances of them being faked or simply just honest mistakes is pretty high.
Like if the first leak that comes out is a fake and it's one showing it to be great, then other leaks will also show it to be high- someone testing it will be like "huh it's supposed to be higher" and fudge the data to make it fit the leak that came before, even though it was a fake.

That said, I remember what the bulldozer leaks were like. There were many tears.
and it turned out those were pretty accurat.e

>>59010785
>Do you all make 50k a year or less or something?

50% of pro-AMD posters are kids and the other 50% are indians who shill under threat of their H1B visa being revoked

>>59009435
ha ha ha ha

>>59009511
>This just means my next upgrade will be cheaper.
No it won't. You'll have to buy a new motherboard.

>There was no way you could have predicted Ryzen would be genuinely good
JIM
FUCKING
KELLER

>>59013037
hey cool it with the SWEARS

this is a G rated board

>>59013037
Jim Keller cannot fail

>>59010082
>>59010199
He's somewhat right.

I believe that XFR will only work on the X370 and X300 boards, but you can manually overclock a 1100/1300/1500/1700 on a B350 which are as cheap as like $60 IIRC.

ALL Ryzen CPUs are unlocked. The X ones are just better binned and have XFR if on a good enough board.
The B350 motherboards generally or always support manual overclocking and many of them are very cheap.

>>59013037
>You'll have to buy a new motherboard.

>Implying that "A socket change a year keeps the goyim in fear" intel wouldn't have forced this anyway

>>59011354
>buying Intel 32 days ago
Your fault for being stupid

I'm excited for having one of those edgy gaymer "Ghz" display counters on my desktop now that it'll actually matter with XFR being able to see as it's changing itself.

>>59013117
It wouldn't if you just didn't buy intel past like the 2600k or 4690k. Those are the last times they made chips worth buying. Everything since has been stagnant, overpriced bullshit.

If Intel didn't release 2 new sockets every year, I might have actually bought a new chip since my i5-2500k.

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>>59012937
t. 11 year old nvidiot

>>59009862
>4 core 8 thread unlocked (k) i7 have been $350 for years now.
last time I was interested (ivy bridge) they were 200-250

>>59010387
>>59010458

my 4790k nigga
got mine at microcenter too.

>>59009770
>Ryzen single core is on par with babbylake, maybe a couple % slower
15-20% according to most of the benches you autists keep posting

>>59013468
say it with me now... IN FLAY SHUN

>>59013504
Only when it's 15-20% higher clocked.

>>59013321
>This incoherent
Learn to context

>>59013514
That's not how you pronounce "price gouging".

>>59013524
I care about price and performance, "b-b-b-but it's clocked higher" is not an excuse. Yeah, it's clocked higher, therefore it's better.

>>59013540
>20% for 100% more dollars
>talking about price and performance

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>Intel reduces their i5 back to $200 and i7 back to $300 like it always was before instead of desperately trying to rape people for chips they don't even bother to put on the heatspreader properly
>somehow this is seen as a win for the consumer

>>59009770
>Ryzen single core is on par with babbylake
So is the $60 G4560, what's your point?

>>59013540
Intel is priced higher.
All Ryzen CPU's are multiplier unlocked.

>>59010939
>>59009558
>>59010627
>>59013117
>>59010482

Why do you keep calling people goyim, wtf.

These threads amuse me.

All you fags sitting around flinging shit at each other over which new overhyped $300 shit has the better 1% improvement over the last new thing, while I sit back with my popcorn and 7 year old cpu which serves me just fine. And when I finally decide it isn't enough anymore I'll just track down stuff that's just barely outdated today for cheap and be set for another 7 years or more.

>>59009541
This. Not even dx12 helps if you have shit cores. Bf1 dx12 with a 6100 still beats an fx 8350 despite have half the amount of threads.

>>59013630
ur just made u cant crunch real numbers but i guess when ur on facebook and reddit all day numbers arent someting in your equation

>>59013575
and ryzen has how many cores...

>>59010082
> ready for overclocking
What a fucking retard.
Bought "premium" motherboards - never managed to OC even a fucking 0.2ghz.

Then I bought piss cheap ASRock mobos, and guess FUCKING what, Pajeet?!
It overclocked like a dream.

Get fucking fucked.
Get a real job, you fucking paid shitposter.

>>59013575
You retarded fucking shill cunt. What do you mean what's my point? What is your point? The pentium is an obsolete 2 core piece if shit. You keep repeating the same shill line how single core performance is all that matters, but Ryzen has both good single core performance and double the cores and threads for the same or lower price. Dumb fucking cunt.

The single core argument is simply not valid, shill. You shills keep creating fake and irrelevant issues (single core performance, iGPU) and forming your arguments around them.
There is absolutely no reason to spend $350 on a 4 core CPU when you can get a 6900k equivalent for the same price.

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>>59013716
What the fuck are you talking about, cunt? Read my post again, think and reply again. What do premium motherboards or your pathetic irrelevant anecdotes have to do with the fact that you can get an overclocking AM4 motherboard for as low as $60?
I mean I don't even understand what you mean? You bought a "premium" motherboard that couldn't OC? OC what? Intel?

>>59013805
Whoops, that was meant to quote >>59013575

>>59009476
>nano cracking
this is a fucking meme

when rohs was new some solder was shitty but they fixed this ten years ago

>>59013569
underated as fuck

>>59009346
Lulz will be added if It's on a new socket.
That's Jewtel for you.

>>59014949
intel fuckin sucks

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love my xeon

>>59009535
Not him but yeah sure my job involves only sandra that'll be big news to me.

All the other tests the pentium only tails 5% behind the i5.

>>59009770
>Ryzen single core is on par with babbylake

I refuse to belive this since the moment core2 beat the living shit out of athlon 64. I'll belive when the retail hits the shelves and reviews are done with it.

>>59015075
Kaby Lake has the same perf/clock as Skylake, because they're the same core arch.
Skylake is less than a 3% average uplift over Broadwell.

Its already been aptly demonstrated that Ryzen performs on par with, or better than Broadwell in per clock performance.
AMD showed Ryzen beating the i7 6900K in rendering a scene in Blender, they also showed it winning in encoding something in Handbrake. CanardPC showed their 3.15ghz ES only 10% behind a stock i7 6900K in gaming benches. At the end of their review they explicitly said Zen is near Broadwell IPC.
Skylake and Kaby Lake are barely any different from Broadwell, and Ryzen is head to head with Broadwell.

>>59015101
I appreciate you effort for the explanation. Again, i really like to see AMD lead the budget performance flag again. Still, i've yet to see anything supprising since the rise of core2.

Jim may be the key to their sucess but he won't be there all the time. Ideas do run out.

>>59010387
>mfw 5820k and 6700ks were $250 last year

some people wont be upgrading for a decade

>>59011421
>That means AMD could literally make a CPU that is an exact copy of the i7-7700
While they have access to each others patents, I doubt the cross licensing agreement covers the actual architectural design.
If it was that way, AMD would never ever have designed Bulldozer in the first place.
Even if they did, after realizing their royal fuckup, they would've just re-released Sandy Bridge and not designed a whole new architecture while having no desktop/server product release for several years.

>>59012937
>50% of pro-AMD posters are kids and the other 50% are indians who shill under threat of their H1B visa being revoked
Wow, Epic I like it! xD

>>59013765
>The single core argument is simply not valid, shill.
retard