NEW RYZEN 1800X BENCHMARK

File: AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X-Single-Threaded-Benchmark-WM.jpg (66KB, 1079x477px) Image search: [Google]

66KB, 1079x477px

>Ryzen @ 3.6 Ghz Single Threaded Performance – 4% Higher IPC Vs. Broadwell-E

>>59004167
>4% Higher IPC Vs. Broadwell-E
So basically like Skylake?

LOL AMD 2015 PERFORMANCE IN 2017, that's a last gen architecture BWAHAHAHAH

>>59004162
>poointhelootech
But whatever, let it be so.

Wait, so it's basically Haslel without integrated graphics?

Amazing job AMD!

File: sketch1487356758784.png (440KB, 582x640px) Image search: [Google]

440KB, 582x640px

>>59004383
>$300 8-core processor comparable to a $1000+ intel one for $300

>>59004383
AMD will release Ryzen with integrated GPU, just for people like you!

>>59004411
It's also more energy efficient.

>>59004167
So when you correct for clock speed you're basically at Skylake levels of performance. It's impressive, not so much from a sheer performance standpoint. But a cost-to-performance standpoint. $175 will get you roughly 7700k performance, or $320 will get you 6900k performance. The 4 core/4 thread chip doesn't make a ton of sense unless you really want to cheap out. With the Hexa core and Octo core being the biggest bang for the buck.

Ryzen's big calling card isn't the low end, but how close it can get to the top tier Intel stuff while costing 1/3 the price.

>hurr its only marginally ahead of intel
>ignore the fact that its a much cheaper chip

>>59004297
>Intelshills already on damage control
Enjoy your """"""""15%""""""""" """""improvements"""""

File: 1478857718920.png (33KB, 1020x426px) Image search: [Google]

33KB, 1020x426px

>>59004297

>>59004383
the Intel's 69xxK and 59xxK don't have iGPU tho...

File: 1486816070397.png (234KB, 800x612px) Image search: [Google]

234KB, 800x612px

>>59004297

File: 1482289320226.png (325KB, 1182x1450px) Image search: [Google]

325KB, 1182x1450px

>>59004297
>Shabylake is just Crylake with MOAR HURTZ
>Frylake was launched 2015
So if AMD is 2015 intel
And Intel 2017 is essentially 2015

AMD and Intel are tied?

So Ryzen single thread pref at 3.6ghz puts it right below the 6800k. The 3.6ghz 6 core will most likely have almost exactly 6800k performance.
The 7700k at 5ghz will be more expensive than the 6/12 ryzen chip but in the majority of games it seems like it will outperform it.
If you don't game and want ryzen for compute this isn't really relevant, but you know that.
I was considering selling off my 6600k and picking up a 8/16 Ryzen but unless you're interested in recent AAA titles that scale well on threads like Watch Dogs 2, Gears of War 4, etc that would be a mistake.

My guess is that Ryzen will disturb the poverty to low range market with ~2500k performance at $100+ddr4, the HPC/Compute market with it's crazy pref/$ but that the i7 7700k will still be the ideal chip for the majority of people who play games.

>>59005020
>counting L2 and L3 together
Fucking stores.

>>59005097
nah, don't sell your 6600/7700k cause I'm sure ryzen suck on gayming

File: 1481316051140.jpg (764KB, 2704x2392px) Image search: [Google]

764KB, 2704x2392px

>>59005097
>but that the i7 7700k will still be the ideal chip for the majority of people who play games.
>350 dollars
>as opposed to 320 for twice the number of cores with near the same single core performance
Sure, if you upgrade every year like a tool, then maybe you'd go for the i7

Remember: A GOYIM IN FEAR CHANGES SOCKETS EACH YEAR!

>>59005132
>skymeme IPC
>CPU is actually soldered
>>59005145
A socket a year keeps goyim in fear, actually.

File: 1480993091055.jpg (242KB, 700x1163px) Image search: [Google]

242KB, 700x1163px

>>59005157
This is a case of "The chicken or the egg?"

Goyims are already in fear.
Therefore, they change sockets each year.

>>59005145
That makes no sense?
Even if I could buy a i7 6900 for Ryzen prices the 7700k would be the better choice. The 6800k is generally inferior to the 7600k too. This is of course assuming you already know what game you play and are not concerned about straight up compute(ie workstation).

I suppose it is obvious that you're not trying to have a discussion though.

>>59005199
Rider > Saber.

>>59004162
Call me when we get non blog spam sources.

>>59005209
A living specimen of shabbos goy. What a wonderful sight.

File: w3_proz.jpg (149KB, 523x440px) Image search: [Google]

149KB, 523x440px

>>59005209
>quad core CPU
>2017
>superior

Really gets the noggin joggin.

File: 6800kwitcher3.png (41KB, 646x552px) Image search: [Google]

41KB, 646x552px

>>59005097
>this is what Intel expects people to believe

>>59005250
It's okay, maybe Zen+ will be worth buying for the majority of people.
>>59005263
I specifically mentioned watch dogs 2. I don't play AAA though. None of my games scale past 4 cores.

File: VIA-Logo-600x600.jpg (23KB, 600x600px) Image search: [Google]

23KB, 600x600px

>>59004162
>>59004167
>>59004297
>>59004361
>>59004383
>>59004411
>>59004421
>>59004424
>>59004457
>>59004473
>>59004486
>>59004489
>>59004505
>>59004551
>>59005020
>>59005095
>>59005097
>>59005106
>>59005145
>>59005157
>>59005199
>>59005209
>>59005210
>>59005239
>>59005250
>>59005263

>intelfag: I'M THE BEST
>AMDfag: NO I'M THE BEST

Plebs arguing over Plebs things.

Get on my level and join the true master race.

>>59005272
>implying 1game out of a million that supports more cores is worth it

Not gonna lie, former Intel supporter here. It's hilarious watching them crash and burn like this. But in all seriousness we can't let this company get their hands on the source codes.

File: 1486521600825.png (1MB, 1104x1045px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1104x1045px

>>59005282
shitposting: the post

>>59005290
Literally 90% of modern games profit from moar corez.
You would be retarded to choose an overpriced quadcore with little overclocking headroom over a $80 cheaper 6 core.

>>59005209
So instead you buy the i5 priced 4c/8t one, how is this that difficult to comprehend. The only reason the Intel 6c would be "inferior" is if you're running stock clocks.

>Log into brockerage account that you forgot about for 2 years.
>Find 380 shares of AMD you bought in 2013 for $2.59 per share and forgot about
>it's $13.13 per share now
>analysts predict it rising to $24-$26 per share by the end of the year

o boy I can make a high end custom loop liquid cooled pc with all this money.
But

>>59004383
The 6850K, 6950X, 6900K, and so on don't have integrated GPUs either.

And their APU ones are coming H2 2017.

File: 1481899689547.jpg (169KB, 438x700px) Image search: [Google]

169KB, 438x700px

>>59005290
>ignoring the Watchdogs 2 poster
>>59005209
Sure, if you you play some indie ass games, its a good idea to go get the best Single core performance processor. But the Supposed difference between Ryzen and kabylake Single core performance is far too negligible to warrant the purchase when you take everything into consideration.

There are too many unknowns about Ryzen to count out its single core performance for an overclocked skylake refresh.

If you can honestly justify getting half a CPU for an extra 30 dollars, then please send me your money, because you have too much disposable income for you own intelligence.

>>59005360
>But

But what, anon? BUT WHAT?! ARE YOU OKAY?

>>59005396
he is dead now.

>>59005360
RIP sweet anon

You people (gamers) would rather buy a quad core with 3% higher IPC IN SYNTHETIC TESTS, NOT GAMING BUT SYNTHETIC, instead of a 6/8 core with a lot more cache?

You know that synthetic difference won't even amount to 1% in games, right? No game hammers a single core with just FP

>>59005396
o. I think I meant to say "but I'm going to leave it in there since it's expected to double what it already is". That's $988 I put in and if it hits $24 a share that's $9,120. wew I need ludes now

>>59004297
Kabylake is a step back faggot.

>>59005106
what's worse is the L3 is victim cache so you only get 12MB effective.

>>59005339
Single thread pref is bad even oc

>>59005452
This is clear server design, which is fine.

>>59005436
It's more like 20%, Zen is close to Haswell and there's a 15% difference between haswell and kabylakle

>>59005473
Brian no.

>>59004162
Guys guys you're missing the point..

How good will Ryzen be at mining cryptocurrency? That's what matters.

>>59005482
No it doesn't.
And also for a CPU it will be just fine.

Also it doesn't matter.

File: 1482876818085.jpg (184KB, 677x1200px) Image search: [Google]

184KB, 677x1200px

>>59005473
>Zen is close to Haswell
Why brian?
You meant to say it's as good as Bri(an)lake.

this is too high

File: Screenshot_from_07022017_202519.png (447KB, 1885x956px) Image search: [Google]

447KB, 1885x956px

>>59005516
tfw intel ia legitimately doing maximum damage control now

File: IMG_20170218_144542.jpg (493KB, 1280x1483px) Image search: [Google]

493KB, 1280x1483px

>>59005318
Your small mind cannot even comprehend the power of VIA.

VIA it's not only the future of x86 but the world.

>>59005272
>witcher 3 UHD
What the fuck? I was playing that the other week with an 8350 and r9 Fury and was at 100% GPU at all times with the CPU staying at ~50-60% at most. I was getting 30fps at 4k and could get >85 at 1080p. It's far from a CPU bound game.

Is this because of the sli or something?

>>59005282

No one makes serious ITX machines.

File: 4d4f171ff573550101ee3a7ff9a12983.png (57KB, 957x393px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 957x393px

>>59005379
It's not even "indie ass games". It's like almost every single game that isn't city skylines, gears of war 4, or watch dogs 2.
Almost every single top played PC game would be better served by a 4/4 with superior single threaded pref to a 8/16, even if it's marginal.

>>59005360
>forgetting about something you paid $984 for
I don't believe you.

>>59005547
yes, you were GPU bound

>>59004162
>passmark

>>59005145
>>59005199
It's "A socket change a year keep the goyim in fear", you fucking jobber.

>>59005554
>Almost every single top played PC game would be better served by a 4/4 with superior single threaded pref to a 8/16
dx11 era is finished. multi cores will rule.

File: AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X-CPU-Mark-SSE-Benchmark-WM[1].jpg (53KB, 1075x474px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 1075x474px

what the fuck

>>59005671
You play AAA games for like a few hours then they're done. The games worth playing on PC don't scale with threads.

File: 81881.png (40KB, 650x450px) Image search: [Google]

40KB, 650x450px

It's all the same shit, 8 core or 4 core with slightly higher clocks, but what's good about the 8 core is that when you encounter a situation when you can use them, they'll be bring a nice increase.

>>59005690
INTEL BTFO

>>59005691
>The games worth playing on PC don't scale with threads.
but they will. engines are built for many cores now. vulkan and dx12 changing the scaling problem.

you think GTA VI won't scale? come on now.

>>59005714
>paying 3 times for same performance

>>59005714
It seems there's a bottleneck in your picture. That test is shitty with the GPU bottlenecking probably.

File: AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-CPU-Extended-Instructions-SSE-840x374.jpg (24KB, 840x374px) Image search: [Google]

24KB, 840x374px

>>59005690
>>59005724

it's a new instruction, only Ryzen and 7700K are optimised

>>59005741
Lol? 980 is a great GPU.
And no TitanXP or P6000 will bottleneck shit.

>>59005729
But don't Zen 6 cores start at $230 and 8 cores at $330?

>>59004162

WCCFTECH.

Those faggots need to stop spamming.

>>59005714
The nice thing is being able to run the game without any bottlenecking from the CPU, while also playing 10 windows of porn on your other monitor, and recording it at good quality, and so on, all at the same time.

And there are some games that do use more than 4 threads, or 4c/8t. Especially games that you can heavily mod.

Hell even Cities Skylines benefits from 6core in huge cities.

>>59005671
multithreading is only possible if developers are willing to implement it. Given that most "gamedevs" nowadays can't even program in high level languages and churn out unoptimised shit because they know how to click on a few tools in an engine, i don't have high hopes for the "low-level api advantages" of dx12 to be realised anytime soon.

>>59004411
what is this picture lmao
theres no way that woman is only 3 feet

>>59005764
>AMD

LOOOOL
Sorry I'm not buying Sandybridge IPC in 2017

even chrome will eat 8 cores

>>59005755
980 is perfectly fine, but not for fucking 4k.

>>59004383
If it's at half the price why not

A 2500k still does everything you want

>>59005750
i see

File: 1270428630972.jpg (49KB, 192x171px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 192x171px

>>59005781
It's almost hilarious how you guys refuse reality.

>>59005789
>980 is perfectly fine, but not for fucking 4k.
if you want to play AAA trash all the time

my 980 handles all my games on 4k just fine including Overwatch

>>59005775
those retards use engines that are pre made, and most engines are supporting dx12, vulcan and their optimizations.

>>59005750
INTEL STILL BTFO

>>59004162
>The Turbo for the 1800X was DISABLED
Nope, just not detected.

Also, Passmark is joke benchmark, the only thing worse is superpi and CPU-Z.
Wait for real benchmarks from reputable sites.

>>59005783
>buying AMD so Chrome can do faster spying on you

Thanks for telling me to not buy AMD

>>59005809
so you are willing to game at 41fps and lower, Im not, and I sure as fuck am not turning graphic settings down for hardware based aa resolutions.

File: wizard.jpg (17KB, 281x240px) Image search: [Google]

17KB, 281x240px

>>59005776
Never seen haflings or what, pleb?

>>59005846
Everything's a botnet. Now get your tinfoil hat ready.

>>59004162
>he thinks $300 8 AMD halfcores can beat a $1000 Intel

Intel is the industry standard with 90% marketshare and 99% marketshare in servers, AMD is a joke company run by indians

>>59005846
You should be using based Pale Moon anyway.

>>59005846
well an 8 or 10 core intel will likely allow even faster spying

>>59005864
Furry moon is slow.

>>59005863
Nah, the real joke is Intel fanboys failing to see the storm coming.

>>59005863
Intel is beaten by a joke, what a great punchline.

>>59005452
Victim L3 implies mostly exclusive of L2 you dumb nigger.

>>59004383
>>58959533

>>59005893
Dumb cuck believes these benchmarks are legit

>>59005883
Slow in what activity? Give some exact examples.

i've been searching for 10 minutes the best reaction image for this news, but i can't find it. it's that dude from a pr0n making an "oh face"

fucking jews at intel must be feeling the heat of the oven right now.

File: My body is ready ryzen.png (500KB, 1487x757px) Image search: [Google]

500KB, 1487x757px

>>59005905
I believe the two benchmarks amd has publicly shown off and every journalist who got hands on with the systems.

All these benchmarks are doing is backing up what journalists said about it.

There are some concerning numbers sure, but putting my cpu in the same bench... pic related... that speaks for itself.

>>59004162
> AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core @ 4.019GHz
so worse than last gen, or am I illiterate?

>>59005810
You still can't take advantage of the low level features of dx12 unless you understand how cpu and gpu architectures work on a low level and how to use the api commands to optimise for the architecture. Mot gamedevs don't understand any of that which is why currently dx12 games actually perform worse than when run in dx11 for the most part.

>>59005905

So much ad hominem and denial, expecting intel shills to look for ammo and this board is going for another round of fanboy shilling, I'd expect AMD users to be more mature either way brand loyalty is for retards

>>59005946
>so worse than last gen, or am I illiterate?
yes, very much so.

>>59004411
>1800x costs $300
try adding another $200

>>59005949
most games that use 12 are on a custom engine, or implemented it before the devs for the engine implemented it, hard to really call unity and unreal games that put it in prior to the developers putting it in a failure of the engine itself.

>>59005929

That was my last AMD build, Phenom II 955 BE

They're back

>>59005982
How much does competing Intel chip cost?

File: you_dont_say.gif (846KB, 500x685px) Image search: [Google]

846KB, 500x685px

>>59004162

>>59005982
Why would you but top binned one? Unless you're an OC maniac.

>>59005949
that really suprises me. xbox one is using dx12 and has an amd 8 core apu, but these devs can't port this into pc properly.
>>59005987
isn't this the same for Gears of War 4?because it is the greatest port I have ever seen.

>>59006007
1100 burgers. If it's even competetive.

>>59006007
$230, the i5 7600k is notably faster

>>59006030
The multicore benchmarks say otherwise.

>>59005987
Don't get me wrong, engine developers definitely know what they're doing. they have to. but your average gamedev is pretty braindead and would completely undo the good work of the engine developers anyway by using 100s of nested if statements and string comparisons.

>>59006009
>>59006007
Doesn't matter. OP post is about the 1800x, which costs $500.
Don't spread misinformation.

>>59006030
>chip is 2% faster in games that go up to 4 cores
>chip is 60-80% is slower in everything else including games that use more than 4 cores

INTEL INTEL INTEL INTEL INTEL

File: smh tbh fam.jpg (91KB, 404x462px) Image search: [Google]

91KB, 404x462px

The real question: Why do they keep benching with things "disabled"? This makes me extremely skeptical. In fact, I doubt that these chips perform much better than what we're seeing. I guess I'll be buying Cannon Lake after all. Fucking AMD, always failing to deliver...

>>59006045
DELET

>>59006053
>Doesn't matter.
Burrying head into the ground is the latest shilling strategy?

>>59004162
>F3 stepping

Lmao?
Nobody noticed this?

>>59006067
it seems they have a budget board that can't turbo and xfr. A320 I believe.

>>59006067
Hi Brian. How's board of directors?

>>59006072
I don't care about any of these companies, I don't play games or do anything CPU or GPU intensive.
You were spreading misinfo about the price of the 1800x I corrected it. Now go eat a dick

File: fun torvalds.jpg (114KB, 800x789px) Image search: [Google]

114KB, 800x789px

I just wish I could build a Mac. I hope they put these Ryzen chips in the new iMacs.

>>59006089
Meh doesn't matter.

>>59005896
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10907/amd-gives-more-zen-details-ryzen-34-ghz-nvme-neural-net-prediction-25-mhz-boost-steps
Ctrl-f Victim Cache and eat my shit you dumb fag.

>>59006067
This AMD always fail to deliver.. promised us much more than "same as Intel" but now its barely the same...

>>59006098
>$200 don't matter

>>59005929
What benchmarking software is this please ?

>>59006120
Passmark.

>>59006120
the passmark stuff, every bench of ryzen with even somewhat detailed stats is based on its results

>>59006105
>AMD always fail to deliver
you haven't seen a K8 in your life, have you? Bulldozer is the only fuck up in AMD's entire cpu line.

>>59006120
Passmark, which is a garbage benchmark in range of geekbench1-3

>>59006137
Bulldozer, Piledriver, Llano, Steamroller, Excavator, Trinity, Kaveri, Carrizo, Fury, Fury X, Poolaris...

>only fuck up

File: 1473369467958.png (102KB, 1195x878px) Image search: [Google]

102KB, 1195x878px

>>59006105
>>59006072

Anyone buying Ryzen for gaming is taking a big risk and potentially shooting themselves in the foot because newer engines are very likely to result in sub-par performance

Ryzen is good enough just for privacy and that alone is gold in a botnetted world moving forward

>>59006163
>Anyone buying Ryzen for gaming is taking a big risk
>nearly the same ipc with intel on single core
>risk

>>59006163
>he actually thinks Ryzen won't come with a backdoor
It's a US company, the US govt can force them to do LITERALLY anything they want.
The only way it doesn't have a backdoor is if even the US govt thinks AMD marketshare is too shit to even bother

>>59006183
>leaked benchmarks

>>59006213
anyone in here would decide to buy it after seeing the proper benchmarks.
there is no risk here. if it is bad, don't buy it.

File: 1480021763446.jpg (155KB, 1437x735px) Image search: [Google]

155KB, 1437x735px

>>59006183

UE4 runs really bad on AMD, you can look it up. It's true that Intel has better compatibility but AMD needs to keep credibility and gain market share, it's a good start.

>>59006197

It's more stealth spyware than backdoors nowadays but the fact remains that it's integrated inside Intel chips specifically on all lake series, your argument is on the same level as nothing to hide bs, it's just hedging and prevention otherwise might as well run on a mac

>>59006156
>Polaris
>fuck up
You Polaris are middle range gpus right?

>>59006183
Anyone have any Cinebench benchmarks for single thread?

I am currently gaymen on an i3 6100 cause the only games I play are not optimized for multithread processing.

>>59006231
>anyone in here would decide to buy it after seeing the proper benchmarks
You clearly overestimate the intelligence of the avg /g/ poster, half of this thread would have non refundable pre orders if they could right now.

>>59006250
How old are those games?

>>59006232
>your argument is on the same level as nothing to hide bs
How is that? I'm stating the obvious fact that the US government wouldn't allow a US company to release a CPU without a backdoor.
Or do you honestly think Intel is doing this just to be evil?

>>59006156
every derivative of Bulldozer was a significant increase in performance and reduction in power over the last.
Same with all the APUs.
Why do you consider Fury/X a failure? It ended up being nearly on par with the 980Ti for cheaper.
Polaris was actually the most significant performance per watt increase in GCN ever, and a good sign of improvements to come.

>>59006232
>UE4 runs really bad on AMD
Ryzen is not the same arch with Bulldozer.

Isn't geow4 on UE4? how does it run on fx series?

>>59006095
inb4 Mac moves to ARM

>>59006232
>>UE4 runs really bad on AMD, you can look it up. It's true that Intel has better compatibility but AMD needs to keep credibility and gain market share, it's a good start.
Literally nothing but integer math runs good with Bulldozer, and that's still 2011 performance.

>>59006263
I mostly play indie games. Space Engineers, KSP, and Rimworld. They are all less than 5(?) years old.

>>59006280

Fury X is on par with a 1070 at 1440 and 4K.

>>59006280
>It ended up being nearly on par with the 980Ti for cheaper
You don't buy high end cards to get better performance 6months later.

>>59006067
engineering samples often have shit that simply doesnt work or is buggy, its why intel keep theirs under NDA

>>59006275

security audit, just don't assume that one size fits all because Intel is forbidden to operate in some Chinese companies that handle sensitive data to specifically prevent that spying, US isn't the center of the world it would be under open intelligence and spying is the norm sure but you can mitigate black and white thinking. Don't be evil was googles motto, I'm sure they have the best of intentions but you'll agree that data has no partisanship

>>59006318
These are pretty CPU intensive. Especially KSP.

>>59006320

You buy high end cards for performance, period. Six months later it was beating 980ti, a year later and it was nearly as fast as the 1070.

File: 16864047_1844203145796194_8262370204169133595_n.jpg (54KB, 580x773px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 580x773px

>>59004162

INTEL ON SUICIDE WATCH!

ATTENTION

INTEL ON SUICIDE WATCH!

>>59006337
Just keep telling yourself ANY company from a 5 Eyes company is safe if that helps you sleep better at night

>>59006341
i agree, but they only utilize single threads. I am just hoping at least Haswell level for AMD in single threaded applications.

>>59006320
>You don't buy high end cards to get better performance 6months later.
Correction: *YOU* don't.

>>59006232
>UE4 runs really bad on AMD, you can look it up.
Yeah, but you know why? It's because Bulldozer's whole front end and FPU is fucking garbage trash. It does bad in most games.

Ryzen is a complete clean sheet design. Basically nothing was reused from Bulldozer's design.

>>59006095
They won't. Steve had a big hardon for Intel. He was impressed by it and said it is "a company built to last".

BTW the other company he said was "built to last" was HP.

>>59006384
yes I don't
I buy a new high end card every year or so
I want performance when I buy it, not when it's almost time to upgrade

File: FX8350gow4-bench.png (24KB, 686x392px) Image search: [Google]

24KB, 686x392px

>>59006232
>>59006313
>>59006388
Posters are full of shit. There is nothing inheritely wrong with the architecture that "makes UE4 run bad".

It's simply a matter of not having the IPC.

The FX-8350 is good for up to 120FPS in UE4. After that, yes it can't do draw calls fast enough as the main thread is choked.

But you can pretty much surmise from this that even the lowest end Ryzen CPU will probably be good for at least 144FPS in even the highest end game, and you will be GPU bottlenecked if you can't reach that.

#First Intelfags were

>SB/Nehalem IPC
To be proven wrong.

Then they were
>It won't clock over 3,0GHz, GloFo is shit!!!
To be proven wrong.

Followed by
>It'll be a housefire, 8 cores housefire!
To be proven wrong.

Followed by
>It can't overclock at all!
To be etc etc

>>59006313
>>59006232

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gears_of_war_4_pc_vga_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,8.html

8 shit cores that compare closer to an i7, compared to 8 good cores.

a more comprehensive cpu bench

http://www.techspot.com/review/1263-gears-of-war-4-benchmarks/page4.html

amd falls behind because they have weak cores, and they are closer to i5 in overall performance then i7.

That said, the game scales pretty close to what passmark bench puts cpus at.

>>59006427
It's Samsung not GloFo

>>59006430
You apparently can't read. They fall behind purely due to IPC.

File: SmartSelectImage_2017-02-18-17-01-38.png (150KB, 1371x1322px) Image search: [Google]

150KB, 1371x1322px

>>59006351

Mother of god....

>>59006427
Don't forget
>AMD CAN'T PRICE IT BELOW 900$!!! THEY CAN'T!!!!

>>59006443
didn't read shit because I just wanted a cpu list.

>>59006449
HALF THE PRICE
HALF THE PRICE

>>59006095

You could always go with the Enoch Chameleon route to install el capitan or yosemite.

File: Screenshot from 07-02-2017 21:15:31.png (447KB, 1877x957px) Image search: [Google]

447KB, 1877x957px

This summarized the situation at Intel quite well.

It's very funny.

>>59006476

>It's AMDs fault!

>>59006492

They actually paraphrased the "How can Intel compete" and finished&bankrupt memes, it's just a disclaimer to avoid refunds

performance per watt is epic you can't deny it, intel shills are hungry for ammo

UHHH
How are uncompetitive excessively low prices even legal?
AMD should totally be forced to tax upwards two times for their processors to even out the market. The current situation is really unjust to Intel.

>>59005750
kek, still BTFO

>>59006610
He he yes, goyim should pay.

>>59006610
More like how are 60% margins on mainstream parts and 200% margins on enthusiast parts even legal?

File: 1486400557474.png (150KB, 700x646px) Image search: [Google]

150KB, 700x646px

>>59006610

Nice try, Intel!

>>59004411
I came from /k/ as well after seeing how many people were crossposting and/or owned mechanical keyboards.

File: 19.png (26KB, 650x250px) Image search: [Google]

26KB, 650x250px

AMD stands no chance consider it has 4 year old Intel performance.

>>59006610

Price gives free marketing hitting two birds in one stone, plus giving 0 shits is really appealing

File: 1474184555988.jpg (109KB, 650x468px) Image search: [Google]

109KB, 650x468px

IT'S FUCKING OVER GG NO RE

>>59006715
THIS ISN'T EVEN MY LAST FORM

Intel BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

>>59006689
There's more to it than games, like superpi, cinnebench are real good apps

>>59004383
No you ignorant autistic, it's like a broadwell-e chip for a third of the price.
Also
>Broadwell-e has no integrated graphics

I've always been an Intel shill but I'm excited for these new AMD developments. Finally we'll have a healthy market again.

INTEL FANZ! TIME TO KILL URSELVES!

File: 1481920924622.jpg (37KB, 400x400px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 400x400px

>>59005554
>chip is 2% faster in games that go up to 4 cores
>chip is 60-80% is slower in everything else including games that use more than 4 cores

INTEL INTEL INTEL INTEL INTEL
(Thanks random anon for this comment)

>>59006749
Cinnebench is a great game, I fucked that fucker good.

>>59004411
Is that hickok45?

This is wonderful. Finally I can let go of my 2500k.

>>59006768
Just wait until it launches, someone will find some workload even if it has to be some year 2000 SAP one to prove how Intel is superior, suddenly games, synthetics, real life workloads won't matter.

>>59006784
>Is that hickok45?
More like hiKEK45, lmao.

Is it a good time to buy amd stock now?

Or am I late to the party?

>>59006833
You're late, buy it'll probably still be profitable. Dudes that bought it at 1.70 are gonna be rich.

How many of you max out your processors without gaymen?

>>59006884
I run Firefox and Chromium

>>59006715
Intel has 60% gross profit margins so they can just cut prices to compete, but oh boy those investors won't be happy.

>>59006856
Maybe I'll just buy 1k of shares and let them sit for a while

>>59006901
Wut? Intel hasn't lowered prices since 2005.

File: 1481416129275.png (642KB, 700x1000px) Image search: [Google]

642KB, 700x1000px

>>59006884
Have you ever played Tom Clancy's Division on an FX 8350?

It's not a pretty picture.

>>59006765
You need to stop falling for this "what is better for the 'average' consumer" shit. You buy the hardware to suit the games you want to play. This is why the argument about 1060 vs 480 goes on even though we have objective data.

File: Screenshot from 18-02-2017 23:34:00.png (36KB, 649x250px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 649x250px

>the city of Intel IPC improvements during gayms

Why didn't you fools listen to me when I told you 5% in synthetics doesn't even translate to 1% in gaming?
They're called synthetics for a fucking reason and God I fucking hate them.

>>59006929
Why would they

>>59006957
to sell more processors
if Intel chips weren't ridiculously expensive more people would upgrade their old rigs.
Now all those people with olds rigs will go AMD because suddenly they can get double the performance for the same price.

>>59006954
(((bottleneck)))

File: 1482608986327.jpg (108KB, 800x1000px) Image search: [Google]

108KB, 800x1000px

>>59006944
I don't fall for that though. I fall for "what is better overall" And then play whatever gay memes I want.

I'm willing to bet the difference in games dependent on single core performance will be so fucking minimal, it won't even be funny.

>>59006954
>Intel 3% faster (stock clocks) than AMD in games chugging on core0
>Intel 60% slower (stock clocks) than AMD in everything else including games using more than 4 cores while costing more

INTEL INTEL INTEL INTEL INTEL INTEL!

>>59006954
Since when were i7s 4c/4t?

>>59007019
There aren't, SMT is disabled to get a picture of IPC improvements.
Or maybe SMT bugs out at those clocks, I heard someone mention undervolting/clocking bugs out the shit out of some Intel CPUs.

>>59006999
>980 on 1080p
>bottleneck

Are you clinically retarded?

>>59006901
C I T A T I O N N E E D E D


Also, what the fuck do you think AMD's margins are? Fuck.

>>59007019

Since disabling multithreading for gaymen as games need is single-process, single-thread, single-core performance to be maxed out it's very difficult to split the game logic across multiple cores.

100% of the cores processing time devoted to threads

>>59007072
>Also, what the fuck do you think AMD's margins are? Fuck.
Less than 30%

>>59006954
What are you trying to tell me with this? That games will run the same on a 8 core Ryzen and a 4 core KabyLake at similar clocks?

>>59006941
>Have you ever played Tom Clancy's Division
You can stop there, I'm not a virgin.

>>59006944
>You buy the hardware to suit the games you want to play.
Do you realize how deeply you've fallen into the vidya meme? Fuck, CTR was right about the chans.

File: jimbob.jpg (29KB, 700x400px) Image search: [Google]

29KB, 700x400px

>>59004162
>AMD were literally worth less than $1.4b (including radeon) when they started designing zen
>Dr Dre and Puff Daddy could've teamed up and literally bought ownership of AMD and still would have had a few hundred million left over
>intel was worth over 100 times AMD
bless this man

>>59007111
Spend an hour learning something:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvGVGcWS3Pg


There will be troll responses to this post.

>>59007111
Intel has the 6950X which is a 10 core/20 thread part and AMD has no answer to that, it's the highest performing chip on the market at the moment and will remain for a while.

>>59007158

>for a while
>tech

pick one

File: 1484563272026.png (267KB, 420x420px) Image search: [Google]

267KB, 420x420px

>>59006156
>Llano

Llano improved on their somewhat sucessful K10 core and its iGPU absolutely BTFOed everything Intel had at this time. It was a decent niche product and started their "APU" development.

>Piledriver
>Steamroller
>Excavator

Every iteration improved Bulldozer on IPC and power consumption. It was still Bulldozer, but improvements regardless.

>Trinity, Kaveri

These are Piledriver and Steamroller with an iGPU that still BTFOs Intel within similar price ranges. The problem is their CPU, and that's because it's still based on Bulldozer. :^)

>Fury
>Poolaris

Neither Fiji or Polaris were remotely as much of a fuck up as Bulldozer. Polaris could hardly be called a fuck up at all.

>>59007158
Honestly I give my money to Intel because they are the ones at the bleeding edge of processes and architecture.

File: 1269194934423.png (145KB, 487x464px) Image search: [Google]

145KB, 487x464px

>>59007158
Great answer to the question, fuckface.

>>59007178
>Polaris could hardly be called a fuck up at all.
Because it was not. They promised 14nm and power efficiency and we got them.

>>59007002
"overall" is exactly the same thing. It's not definable, you could link game X that CPU 1 is better at then someone else links game Y and Z that CPU 2 is better at. You can't go through the entire library of vidya software and pick the hardware that does best on the highest percentage of them because you'll only end up playing maybe .5% of the total PC library. People know what games they want to play, they should pick hardware accordingly.

>>59007111
Ignoring the marketing moron that responded to you, if Zen has IPC like Broadwell they they'll perform the same with 1-2% variation under 4 cores depending on the game, some might actually be more cache and integer hungry that would benefit AMD's architecture slightly more, but it's a minor difference.
In games that use more than 4 cores the 8 core Zen chip will eat the Kabylake for breakfast, no contest.
This is assumed that they're both clocked the same.

>>59007125
I don't know why it's a "meme" I spend probably about 8 hours a day in my web browser, 6 hours in a game, and couple more in a communication program like mumble or irc

>>59005132
This. Single core performance isn't up to par, as usual with AMD.

>>59006627
Repentance for the holocaust, goyim

>>59006351
same as higher clocked 5930K in intel optimised benchmark, pretty good.

>>59007269
And AMD is attempting another Shoah, how can this happen? We'll have to increase prices again!

This is what AMD has done! AMD HAS INCREASED PRICES FOR ALL OF US! BOYCOTT AMD!

File: 1482534333559.jpg (98KB, 400x689px) Image search: [Google]

98KB, 400x689px

>>59007215
Then shut up and let me pick whats best for me.

>>59005530
kek

They're right, though.

>>59006627
The funny thing is that Samsung is probably going to be making 30% and AMD another 30% off the Ryzen chips. (not counting R&D costs) Which is great margins. It probably costs them significantly less to make the 8c/16t chip than the intel 4c/8t with iGPU costs.

They're just that efficiently produced and Intel enthusiast chips are just that overpriced.

>>59007142
dat perspective

>>59007289
You are incapable of doing so.

>>59006754
Remember when prices for CPUs used to actually cut in half every 18 months?
Back in the 90s, up until like 2007.

>>59007243
>8 hours a day in my web browser, 6 hours in a game
14 hours

I am genuinely intrigued, what are your thoughts on what you are doing with your life? What are some things that you desire for your life?

>>59007125
tryhard

>>59007384
Damn right I do.

File: AMD-Ryzen-3DMak-Fire-Strike-Physics-Score.png (35KB, 654x551px) Image search: [Google]

35KB, 654x551px

Intel's overpriced 10 core on suicide watch.

File: AMD-x86-Zen-HBM-Greenland-GPU-APU-635x531.jpg (37KB, 635x531px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 635x531px

>>59006833
>>59006856
Yeah I bought 380 shares at $2.60.
But I'm going to buy another 70 shares at the $13 price.

It's expected to hit $24-$26 by the end of this year.

If Ryzen Enterprise HBM CPUs take off in the server compute market (the barrier is that people must want to make applications that take advantage of it), and if they get Ryzen dropped to 7nm in early 2019 (7nm on intel isn't expected until 2021-2023) then it could just keep going up and up.

So it's not too late, it's just that you'll 'only' return 200-400% instead of the 1000%-2000% return people that got in at under $3 are looking at.

And if you're pessimistic about Ryzen's performance like these intel shills clinging to hope in these threads, please short it

(((Benchmarks)))

We are better than this.

File: zen.jpg (234KB, 512x800px) Image search: [Google]

234KB, 512x800px

>>59007450
>kike calls someone a kike

>>59007381
I have everything I want. My primary goal is to maintain my current extremely high quality of life. I am able to spend the majority of my time doing things I enjoy on my computer. I've lost that a few times before to homelessness, incarceration, etc, so my primary thing is continuing to solidify my current life, which once again, is my dream.

Anandtech forums told me Zen will have SB IPC, I trust anandtech more than I trust chink leaks

>>59007158
A lot of leaks are showing the 1800X outperforms the 6950X.

If it really does, I'm going to laugh.

$1700.

STOP POSTING THIS SHIT. JUST STOP. INTEL IS THE BEST. NONE OF THESE FAKENEWS BENCHMARKS ARE REAL. IT IS AN ANTISEMITIC CANARD. AMD IS A TERRORIST OWNED COMPANY AND THESE BENCHMARKS ARE ANTI-ISRAELI PROPAGANDA. PLEASE REPORT THESE THREADS TO THE MODERATORS AND THE POLICE IN FUTURE.

>>59007521
Heh, the 6950X is a processor for serious enterprise people, it comes with much more than just performance.

>>59007521
yeah but the 7700k is better than the 6950x for games and Ryzen gets slaughtered by 4.9ghz kaby lake on a 4 thread benchmark

>>59007474
>Advanced.
I fucking love the irony.

>>59007481
>homelessness
>incarceration
that's just embarrassing.

>solidify my current life
how untermensch do you have to be to aspire to vidya?

Where did your life do wrong?

>>59007231
Most games are way more cache, int, and float heavy than SSE and like none are using AVX.

But i'm guessing the 1400X still doesn't BTFO the 7700k in all games or they've have shown that. It's probably like 1-5% less FPS.
Which is great for the price, but not as much of a "wow" of the 1700X and i7-6900K comparisons.

>>59007543
>no ECC support
Le tricky hook maymay.

>>59007125
>holier than thou attitude
>on 4chan of all places
*tips fedora*

>>59007543
including this unspecified thing and that other one too

>>59007561
preach

>>59007543
>Heh, the 6950X is a processor for serious enterprise people

How delusional. Business don't use fucking desktop i7s. They use Xeons.

>>59007289
You don't "pick" autism, you're born with it or get it from vaccines.

File: 1485609071581.png (6KB, 464x464px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 464x464px

>>59007577

>>59007405
$500
$1700
$500
$1700
$500
$1700
$500
$1700
$500
$1700
$500
$1700
$500
$1700
$500
$1700
$500
$1700

File: w3_proz.png (86KB, 523x440px) Image search: [Google]

86KB, 523x440px

>>59007561
>yeah but the 7700k is better than the 6950x for games

Mmm, yes.

>>59007572
I don't know what untermensch means. I don't think my life went wrong at all, I'm very grateful for all of the experiences I've had that have shaped me into who I am. I love myself today.

>>59007608
>$500
1700X is $390
1800X is $500


ehehe

>>59006053
OP post is about an 8c/16t part running at a specific clock speed with XFR disabled. The 1700 doesn't have XFR either, but is unlocked for overclocking. So, while we haven't seen what 1700's are actually capable of, it's not a farfetched idea to assume it could handle an 0.6GHz oc up from 3.0, which would give you the performance seen in OP pic. For $320.

>>59007561
>a ryzen on stock clocks performs worse than a delid lake overclocked to 5GHz
how can AMD ever recover?

>>59007581
I have sex with multiple female partners. You mad? Of course it's fun to come here and shit on computer hardware autists. You are the lowest of the low.

>>59007616
Most games don't use more than 2 threads

>>59007561
>the 7700k is better for games

If you could buy a 6950x and motherboard for the same price as a 7700k and motherboard, you're telling me you wouldn't? That's nonsense.

You shits need to stop posting. No one with a brain is going to agree with your nonsense.

>muh muh need that 3% performance increase in The Witcher. T-totally worth less than half the performance in multitasking, encoding/decoding, multi-monitors, running VMs, and everything else!!!

>>59005929
that memory latency is really bad. it better be entirely due to the motherboard and/or RAM timings.

>>59007646
Maybe if you're posting live from 2012. Most AAA games won't even RUN with less than four here in 2017 though. People who bought G3258s as le ebin cheap gaymen CPU got blown out a few months later when the first games which wouldn't even launch on dual cores were released.

>>59007646
really? still going with dx11 argument?

>>59007646
So you'll pay more, get 2% more performance in 2010 games, but 20-40% less performance in modern games because...?

>>59007616
But that's literally watch dogs 2. Theres like 2 other games that scale on threads, not a single one of them it worth playing. The games worth playing on PC are:
CS:GO, Dota 2, LoL, WoW, Overwatch, Diablo, Arma 3(threaded), Rocket League, Rainbow Six Siege, GTA V (couple frames from more cores), Ark, and Skyrim.
>>59007651
No, I really wouldn't(assuming I'm not allowed to sell it). It would only result in less FPS in the games i play and absolutely no difference in anything else that I do.

Ey lads, do you reckon that the 1700 will OC to 4GHz?

File: 1474767759434.png (154KB, 299x291px) Image search: [Google]

154KB, 299x291px

>>59004383
>lol this will be like faildozer all over again
>lol who cares if this is like 90% of intel's performance? intel is still the best
>w-wait w-who cares if it matches intel's performance for 30% of the price? intel will still win, iGPUs are important right guys?

You shills are getting really desperate, aren't you?

>>59007682
Absolutely, that question is how far into 4ghz.

>>59007682
It would be pathetic if it couldn't

>>59007680
Back to /vee/ you casual trashman.

>>59007679
Because obviously I go around searching benchmarks for games that only support 4 threads.
I'm literally magnetically attracted to 4 thread games, I have never played a game that supports more threads than 4 ever in my life.

File: 1484109919337.jpg (77KB, 640x638px) Image search: [Google]

77KB, 640x638px

>>59007680
You're delusional and your taste in games is shit.

File: 1289330658631.jpg (32KB, 400x400px) Image search: [Google]

32KB, 400x400px

>>59007680

File: 1481681079048.jpg (17KB, 256x352px) Image search: [Google]

17KB, 256x352px

>>59007680
>The games worth playing on PC are:

>>59007680
>games worth playing
>list is all cancer
except overwatch. mercy best grill

>>59007735
Overwatch is cancer too.

>>59007735
>shitty tf2 clone
Nah. It's boring.

File: 1487009883187.jpg (376KB, 840x420px) Image search: [Google]

376KB, 840x420px

>>59007735
:)

I can't believe the intel fanboyism and shilling is (or really it's probably that they recently bought a SL or KL processor and are trying to justify how badly they fucked up)

It's to the point that people will actually say that they'd take a $330 7700k over a $1150 8 core 6700k or 10 core 6950X because >>m-muh slightly better per core performance is totally worth it even at equal cost!

Thank god none of these fucknuts are actual programmers. They're just people that blow money without any due-diligence then try to justify it.

>>59007742
>>59007748
>ignoring the best waifu material
I guess you don't shitpost in desktop threads either?

>>59006101
A victim cache by definition stores lines evicted from a lower level cache you retard. As in, lines only get stored in L3 if they're forced out of an L2.

It's clearly not a purely exclusive design due to unspecified L3 eviction policy on L2 reloads, but it's 100% not fully inclusive like the earlier comment claimed.

>>59005020

>Didn't even bother using the proper paper that costs less than 1 cent a sheet

This is a fake on par with inkjet printing scanned $20 bills.

>>59007764
> programmer
> needing all that multithreaded performance
lmao, spotted the newfag that just did his first hello world in javascript.

>>59006784
Yeah. He's 6'9" and his son is 6'11".

>>59006901
>Intel has 60% gross profit margins so they can just cut prices
Intel cutting prices,hahahahahaha.

>>59004162
What about the physics benchmarks in that link that put AMD far behind jewtel?

>>59007842
Memory my dude. They used 17-17-17-39 2N memory for the first """"""""""""""""""""""""leak"""""""""""""""""""""""".

>>59004411
>7'6"
>4'2"

should say 6'2 and 5'9 if they want to meme correctly

>>59007710
>>59007711
>>59007713
>>59007735
Those are the only "competitive" games. It's okay to be so beta you can't handle playing against other people. Everything else is just campaign AAA $60 for something you play for a month dogshit.

>>59007764
If you offered people the choice between a 5.0l v8 landbarge and a 1.4l i4 econobox at the same price, different people will choose differently depending on their actual needs.

If gaming is the only heavy duty use I get out of a cpu, then a twenty thread server beast would be entirely wasted on me at any price.

File: 1.jpg (18KB, 240x250px) Image search: [Google]

18KB, 240x250px

>>59007895
"competitive gamer"
God damn it why did they close those gulags, even a fucking Goli otok would be fine.

>>59007895
>competitive
>GTA V, Ark, Skyrim
>SKYRIM
fuck off

>>59007901
Not an apt comparison because the 8 core can be just as energy efficient and so on.

>people replying to obvious bait

>>59007942

>>59007942
Well not all of them. Those are all from a list of most played PC games.
>>59007940
Competitive means fun, it means that the people you play against are trying to win. Games that aren't competitive are boring after a month.

>>59006715
It's decided, I'm getting one of the 6 core chips. ( cores is nice, but I only play gaymes.

>>59007158
Naples

>>59007997
Sounds like nipples and never heard of it... googling it shows some 32 core nonsense with low IPC, not even competition

File: 1465912496487.jpg (112KB, 640x582px) Image search: [Google]

112KB, 640x582px

>>59007874

>>59006156
Fury, Fury X and Polaris all delivered EXACTLY what AMD claimed they would.

>>59008016
>low IPC
Now that's what i call shitposting.

>>59008022
good lad

>>59008016
It's literally Ryzen extended to servers, so you can take that low IPC meme back to Intel Aviv.

>>59008016
You're aware that Intel makes CPUs with more than 20 cores right? You realise higher core count means decreased clock right?

>>59008059
2 low performance cores can't compare to 1 high performance core, even if AMD has more cores they're still too slow

File: 1480757516801.jpg (29KB, 315x318px) Image search: [Google]

29KB, 315x318px

@59008016
(Me)

>>59006610
>The current situation is really unjust to Intel.

If you think that, you should also know that intel should've paid about 100 billion to AMD for the anti-competitive bullshit they pulled last time AMD had better CPUs instead of the slap to the wrist they got.

>>59008075
>I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm also retarded
week bate

>>59008117
>replying to bait at all

>>59008075
I'm asking because of what was said here
>>59007158

Depends what you mean with highest performing chip on the market. Like I said Intel makes CPUs with higher core count than 10 and those are xeons but they are running at a lower clock rate. I'm also saying the answer to that will be Naples which will go up to 32c/64t. Ryzens will be up to 8c/16t.

File: burnbaby.jpg (706KB, 863x1969px) Image search: [Google]

706KB, 863x1969px

Has shitposting reached critical mass? This would now be pathetic if it wasn't grade A humor.

>>59008133
No, wait for 28th.

>>59008124
>not replying to bait whatsoever

>>59008133
>not gtx480.jpg
you had ONE job

Does anyone else really want one but are unable to talk yourself into buying it because if the 7700k is marginal over the 7600k then so will a 8/16 with lower single thread?
Sucks, I want a vega/zen build

>>59007670
>Maybe if you're posting live from 2012.
If he's posting live from 2012, you should probably listen to time travelers.

>>59008200
Why would a time traveler tell you truths instead of lying? Makes no sense.

>>59008275
There are two types of time travelers anon. Past and future. Many subtypes under those.

>>59008346
Cool.
Which one will give me lots of money so I can sit and sleep all day for the rest of my life surrounded by new hardware?

>bump limit

NEW THREAD AND NEW BENCHMARK

>>59008405

NEW THREAD AND NEW BENCHMARK

>>59008405

NEW THREAD AND NEW BENCHMARK

>>59008405

NEW THREAD AND NEW BENCHMARK

>>59008405

>>59005360
proofs

>>59006610
Found the Eurofag

>low level API's mean even more work for devs/greater chance of broken shit games

I've seen arguments from both sides of the fence. Back when Dice originally worked with AMD to produce Mantel, they claimed they were interested in creating a less restrictive API because DirectX was getting so bloated and was so heavily biased towards the days before the computational capability GPU's are capable of today that "optimization" largely centered on working AROUND the API, making new techniques more difficult than ever to implement. Other devs have expressed similar opinions as reasons they're excited for low level API's.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to suggest this with certainty, but it seems as though we'll move towards engines doing a lot of the stuff the API used to do. It indeed means more responsibility on engine devs, but provided they're competent enough to design tools that cater to their specific engine it could potentially streamline the actual game development part.

Shitty devs like Ubisoft will likely make even worse games, however.

Does anyone know how "close to the metal" programming classes get these days? Judging from the majority of /g/ it seems most modern programmers learn their respective abstraction level and leave it at that.

File: stocks.png (17KB, 1785x306px) Image search: [Google]

17KB, 1785x306px

>>59008434
he's not the only one lel

>>59008368
Just "work from home" ;^)