Best laptop in the market at the moment. Prove me wrong. >Inb4

>>59002225

Anything above 14" is desktop replacement tier trash.

>>59002259
this

>>59002259
Then buy the 13" xps

>>59002225
Precision 15 5000 > xps 15

>>59002225

Thinkpad X1 Carbon is better

>>59002259
Conformed basement dweller

>>59002300
the thinkpad is such a meme

4 ports dongle pro touchwank

>>59002233
You don't fucking need all of those. This meme is retarded.

>>59002225
>no trackpoint

>>>/trash/

>>59002369
they are overpriced

>>59002283

Lowest cost XPS 13 in the US : 800$
Lowest cost XPS 13 in my country : 1450$

No thanks.

I've got a Dell Chromebook 13 though. Which actually got significantly more expensive since I bought it 18 months ago, Dell is really screwing EU customers at the moment.

>>59002422
The trump effect

>>59002385
Lots of things are overpriced, but that doesn't mean they're not good machines.

>>59002300
>Dual core ulv CPU
Lel good luck doing anything significant on that piece of trash

>>59002369
>want to do more than 1 thing at a time? fuck you heres a dongle

>>59002233
>connecting shitty deprecated technology to your new $5000 laptop

>>59002552
>SD cards that every camera still uses
>depreciated

>>59002542
> one thing at a time
> four ports

It's not my fault you're poverty tier anon and are stuck with shitty old USB things. The future will come whether you like it or not and someday you're gonna have to replace that garbage.

>>59002542
You read a lot of news, do you?

Sure is a shame that the tb3 port is gimped

>>59002259
It's in the body of a 14" laptop
Unfortunately for Dell the new x1 carbon is in the body of a 13" laptop so that's now the objectively best laptop

>>59002563
Four useless ports that nothing uses so you're forced to use an adapter for literally everything.

>shitty old
>hey guys I'm SO tech savvy
>lemme use hardware that nothing supports I'm so advanced that my machine is artificially useless

>quad core CPU
>Desktop tier 1050
>Matte non touch full HD panel
>Thunderbolt 3
>97 WHR battery
>Infinity edge display
Yeah it's pretty fucking good

>>59002562
Every pro tier camera I own (I own no consumer grade shit cameras) uses CF or CFAST, so an SD slot is hardly feature that any pro is going to miss

>>59002577
You do realize in a few years everything is going to switch over? The old USB ports are as good as dead and living on borrowed time.

In a few years even your precious thinkpad will have switched. You only mad because apple did the right thing first.

How often do you even plug shit into your laptop anon? Oh that's right, almost never.

People got pissed the air didn't have either net and such at first, claimed it would flop and now all companies are emulating it. The same will happen now.

>>59002712
When I have my laptop at my desk I have an Ethernet dongle, wires mouse, power cord, and USB drive minimum

>>59002225
t. retard

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>>59002863
>Ethernet dongle

Why not just buy a computer with an ethernet port, retard

>>59002422
Ugh, same story here.
If you can be bothered to uninstall bloatware, look into Asus stuff. It's cheaper (at least in my country) for around the same specs.

>>59002612
>Non touch
>Full HD

So basically Luddite garbage?

>>59002691

>CFAST

Which just goes to show how highly they estimate the intelligence of their audience. You get to pay 10x times the price for the same storage with no speed advantage to speak off.

>>59003179

What use case do you have for touch? I'm not a granny or a retard, so that removes most use cases immediately.

The only use for a touch screen I see is if you use the computer in sales pitches. At that point you probably want a laptop with a tablet mode though.

>>59002691
But D810, 5Dx, 645z and other H5D have SD cards slots.
Some of them have CF for legacy purpose, but CF cards are deprecated and you known it.

>>59003179
All touch screens are glossy and shit

1080p on a laptop is more than enough and means the battery will actually last a long time

>>59002439
we both know that this has nothing to do with trump

>>59002225

> coil whine

>>59002998
because my thin ass hipster shit maymay

>>59003681
Not with the latest motherboards doe

>>59002225
It's a fucking Dell!

If check out their FIF figures before you make such boastful statements.

>>59002259
this, I'm super insecure about my toshiba that measure in at 15.6 inches when I pull it out. I like my 13.(something) Elitebook 8460p but it breaks my fucking back to carry it around so much

>>59004117
The fuck is an FIF figure?

>>59002691
Anything smaller than a FF DSLR uses SD, regardless of sensor size and pro-ness, including some medium format.

>>59002225
Can anyone recommend pic related for Ubuntu 16.4?
I need something to replace my MBP 2013, and I am sure as fuck not paying 1000 dollars more for that expensive gimmick.

>>59002225
Is this the 15" ? How is the keyboard? As good as an older Thinkpad?

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>>59002225
>Prove me wrong.

>>59004453
I asked on >plebbit (because r/Dell is active as fuck) and they said that 16.04 with newer kernels works fine OOB. Install 16.04.2 and you should be fine, at least that's what I'm planning to do.
Friend of mine has the 9360 with Kubuntu and it seemed to work fine, even with the touchpad.

>>59004456
Yes, as good as any, not as shit as a macbook's, if you are asking this question then the answer will probably be no regardless

>>59004456
Nothing is as good as old ThinkPads. The closest actually is the newest ThinkPads

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>>59004670
I beg your pardon.

I really wish the 13 was upgradable as the 15

>>59004692
For all intents and purposes they don't exist in America

>>59004174
Failure in Field or Field Failure. Basically the amount of reported faults of a product in a certain time frame or the warranty in the region where it is sold.

When I used to work in industry it was a period of a year but this was a while back and I don't know if this has changed.

Anyway, why not Google Dell's FIF rate. You might not get a figure but you will see some interesting stories.

I personally wouldn't touch their gear with a barge pole but each to his own I suppose.

>>59002225
X1 Carbon is better, unless you care about gayming on a laptop (PS:kys)

>>59004456
The keyboard is the one thing that keeps the XPS from being the best laptop. It's shittier than the 2015 MBP.

Are there any 15" ThinkPad's with no number pad and the touchpad directly in the center like this? I hate how touchpads are often on the left side, so stupid

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>>59002283
The XPS 13 is objectively inferior to a fucking HP
The 15 at least has its own market help down with a 1050 in that form factor but the 13 is pointless

>>59004977
T520

>>59004453
They have issues (and solutions) with Linux audio

>>59002225
>no numpad
>tons of space to the sides

>>59004992
Thank you

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remember when all the Dell shills started shutting up?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ePm7WGDj3s&app=desktop

>>59002225
Is the screen accurate enough for front-end stuff? So far I haven't seen any reviews that praises the XPS's lineup for how accurate the color of the display is.

I'm a sysadmin, we used to have some XPS 15's at my company (current model) but they often had issues related to build qualiy and using new technology that wasn't grown up enough. I love the idea of them but that just killed the dream for me.

>>59002225
the precisions (7510 / 7710) are better if you wanna get shit done. more ports, internal space for two drives (ssd + hdd), and an old school trackpad + touchstick.

>>59005222
See if you boil that down into actual software and hardware compatibility or any actual problems instead of saying irrelevant generic mumbling, you STILL look like a complete fucking retard

I have this laptop coming in a few days. The 1050 will hold me for a while, but will an egpu be viable in a years or two, assuming it gets certification? I know it has the gimped two lane tb3 port, but will that make a huge difference if I'm gaming on an external display?

>>59005240
>(SSD + HDD)
You mean 2.5" and 2.5" don't you

>>59005264
Yes it'll make a difference

>>59005268
Probably means m.2 + 2.5". No Ultrabook a have room for 2 2.5" drives

>>59002225
macbook pro

>>59005488
I was trying to just point out that nobody should ever buy an aftermarket 2.5" HDD

>>59005477
Bummer. Why is that? From what I read it should only be a 5-10% performance drop, which I doubt I would even notice much, but it's really difficult to find reliable information.

>>59005622
Depends on your GPU and its PCIe bandwidth honestly
It shouldn't make a huge difference if it's still got modern PCIe-tier bandwidth but I honestly don't know how weak TB3 is in the first place
Sending the output back into your laptop screen will be difficult, gimped by bandwidth and possibly downright impossible depending on what egpu hardware you have

>>59005772
Yeah, it seems looping back to the internal display would take the harder hit for this laptop, but since it's such a high latency display to begin with, I wouldn't really want to use it for anything other than casual gaming anyways.

2x 3.0 lanes should deliver 16 GB/s shared bidirectionally. Assuming you weren't sending it back to the internal display, how would I be able to check if this is enough speed for an egpu or specific card? I don't know what information I need to look for to find that. Thank you!

>>59005488
>>59005540
>>59005268
i meant m2 and sata, yes. it's fantastic.

>>59005956
You're gonna be severely gimped, even PCIe 3.0 x4 starts losing like 5-10% performance (with the highest end gpus possible), the question is just how much you're gonna lose with the specific card you're planning on
I'd start off by looking at a GPUs performance in different PCIe slots but I feel like that's not so relevant with an egpu over TB

>>59006044
Damn, I was really hoping it would be a workable solution to not needing a desktop at all when I already have a laptop that works so well. Thank you for your help!

>>59006083
I mean wait for egpus to really come around, there's like 3 with any support at the moment, I'm sure somebody will make a solution for all the good folks who just happen to be caught in the USB spec-shift, there's more than enough "almost TB3" laptops for someone to make money from getting it to work

Egpu is basically just a concept for thunderbolt 3. It needs like 10x the bandwidth to actually have desktop performance

>>59006165
PCIe 3.0 x4 isn't enough?
You know, for a modest GPU, not some 300w beast you're plugging your laptop into

>>59006189
It's not about power, it's about bandwidth

Why are the XPS memed so much when Latitudes exist and they actually have good keyboards? Only because muh bezels?

>>59004945
I care about compiling and running complex algorithms locally without having to buy a desktop.
Good luck doing that on a 2k$ dual core

>>59006933
Actually the Dell precision afaik have the same body as the XPS line but are immensely better machines

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>>59002225
>Prove me wrong.
OK, done.

My Haswell X1 Carbon i5 and 8gb RAM for $350 off eBay beg to differ.

>>59002712

>in a few years

Oh, thanks, Steve. I really appreciate you selling a computer for $1500 that will only be efficient in 3 years, which is right around the time I'll be buying a new computer.

>>59007856
How exactly?
The only difference is that they have workstation GPUs instead of consumer ones and perform worse for general purpose tasks.
XPS 13/15 are way superior for the general consumer.

>>59002225
> plastic trackpad
Why are they still doing this? Literally disgusting for a expensive laptop. Make it glass and it will be the perfect macbook clone.

>>59008308
I picked up a used xps 13 9343, touch screen 8gb i5 256ssd for $560 recently and really can't complain. Its just over a year old and the 3200*1800 res is a bit weird, but goddamn is it pretty and lasts a long time

>>59002225
No real docking station support. Kid level trash and not a useful business tier machine. Have fun fucking with USB 3 docks and their shit connect/disconnect spasms constantly.

>>59002225
Sure but you can get all the same for less with a P50/P60

>>59005058
Based Lisa strikes again

My only complaint as to the XPS 13 and 15 is the whole inside bottom

cheap ugly plastic keyboard, cheap ugly plastic touchpad, cheap ugly plastic surface

Everything else is so nice but that

>>59007763
If your "algorithm" doesn't compile in and run on a Kaby Lake i5 then it's probably written horribly or in some meme language like Ruby or Python. If it's really that complex then you have no business running it on a PC and should be on some dedicated deployment hardware.

Also QM is literally a meme because of how much the it gets throttled. You'll see maybe 10-20% difference in performance on the QM vs. a U processor with the same Ghz.

>>59002225
>shit keyboard
>shit trackpad
>shit webcam placement

Let's be honest, this laptop is only relevant because of its superthin bezels, otherwise no one would give two shits about it. Don't fall for this meme.

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>>59002225

This baby is on the way right now. Thinkpad E570.

2.7 Ghz Intel Core i7-7500U
16 GB DDR 4 2400Mhz RAM
2GB Nvidia 950M
256GB PCIe-NVMe SSD
1920 X 1080P Full IPS display
DVD-RW Drive

$860 USD

Find a laptop with more bang for the buck

>protip: you can't

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9JJ56M0175

>>59006773
>PCIe 3.0 x4 isn't enough?

I've had an E530 since it was new and it really is consumer-grade trash that will constantly surprise you with all the different ways in which it can manage to break. Granted, as far dirt cheap machines go it's pretty comfy what with the trackpoint and decent keyboard, but it's really not well suited to be anything more than a desktop replacement, which it'll do quite well at least.
Maybe more recent models are better made, but that hasn't really been the case with other thinkpads over the years.

>>59009708
Meant for
>>59009555

>>59009555

>E-series

No thanks. I'll stick with an old T-Series and save a few hundred dollars.

I have the 13' version. I like it a lot.

>>59009555
E-series

That's not even a Thinkpad, that's just their consumer line with Thinkpad colors and branding.

The only real Thinkpads are T, X and L series. Everything else is marketing shenanigans.

>>59010694
* and P/W but those are basically bulkier T series

>>59002225
it's dell, so it will be overpriced and therefore not worth it's performance.

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>>59010694

I enjoy the L series I have as a company work laptop, but:

>Integrated graphics

I know Intel graphics have come a long way but I can't help but feeling like a laptop with integrated graphics is gimped.

I don't have any need for the professional Quadro cards in the P series.

>>59010694
They sort of give the same experience as the higher quality thinkpads what with having the same keyboard and trackpoint. A lot of designs/parts get reused as well so to some degree you're getting a T series repackaged into a shittier chassis. Aside from that some components like WLAN cards might be shitter but there's till no huge difference. It comes down to the fact that you're paying half as much at the cost of an Edge that's bulkier and fragile, and honestly they break easily enough that the extra cost if buying new is actually worth it for most. Of course if you're buying second hand they're in no way worth it because there's so much fewer
working examples around that for whatever reason people seem willing to pay as much for them as for a high end model with the same specs.

>>59010694
From my perspective E and L are basically the same thing. What's the difference?

T. Thinkpad yoga 14; I feel likes it's basically an e440s if such a thing we're to exist

>>59009577
No. Have you ever run a dedicated GPU in crossfire at x4? It's retarded bullshit

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>>59002225
http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-14-5480-laptop/pd

Pic related crushes the xps 15
>only 3.52 lb
>i7-7820hq
>Supports LTE SIM card
>optional trackpoint
>TB3 port for eGPU
>Unassuming design, no meme bezelless lid.

>>59002470
Get over yourself, you're paying 50 $ for a freaking dongle. It's not worth it.

>>59010902
It comes down to the quality. Sure you're getting close to the real deal but it's not exactly so. The defining feature of Thinkpads is that they'll go obsolete before they break down. I just typed this on a 6 year old Nehalem T510. I can't see it dying for another 6 years.

>>59011318
Why is it SO FUCKING UGLY

>>59011309
Well that's what I was asking, if PCIe 2.0 x8 barely bottlenecks an average GPU then I would hope you could at least see some kind of benefit from PCIe 3.0 x4 egpu
PCIe 4.0 x4 will be able to run 1080's without bottlenecking, it was a valid question if PCIe 3.0 x4 could use it

>>59002225
That's not a Let's Note.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfAXpO9MRag

I wonder how much HP paid her for this review. What a fucking shill.

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>>59004355
>Anything smaller than a FF DSLR uses SD
>Cropfaggots think they are pros

>Best laptop in the market at the moment.

There's no such thing as "best" laptop since everybody requires something different. Plus, the fact that the XPS series come with Windows 10 means no, just fucking no.

Besides, Latitudes are superior devices, so are Precisions.

>>59009555

>calling it a ThinkPad when it's not actually a ThinkPad
>even trips can't help there

>>59014441
Everything but MacBooks come with Windows 10 sans the few models that have a Linux option. OEMs are no longer permitted to ship devices with Windows 8.

>>59009555
>lenovo
enjoy your botnet

>>59014441
dell xps also comes with linux....

>>59014460

>assuming I was thinking about Windows 8/8.1
>please

>>59014815
I'm just pointing out that if you buy a new Windows computer it's going to be running Windows 10, dumbass.

>>59009416
>What is machine learning
It's OK, I don't expect you to understand why someone would want a powerful laptop instead of a shitty laptop and a shitty desktop.

Except in your case I'd be spending more on the Thinkpad than I'd do for the xps, too. (P.s. deny urself my lad)