/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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first for source mage gnu/linux

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second for Source Mage GNU/Linux

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>3 IPs
>2 hailing for source mage

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Here's a little history for those who are interested. [repost]

https://lwn.net/Articles/145233/
>In 2001, Kyle Sallee created a source-based linux distribution called Sorcerer GNU/Linux and released it under the GPL. In late 2001 due to differences with Kyle on how to run the project, a fork was created called Lunar Penguin, now known as Lunar Linux. As a result of confrontations with the Lunar developers, Kyle took Sorcerer off the web one night and nobody could update.
>Many of the developers tried to talk Kyle back into continuing the project, but failed. Ryan Abrams and Eric Schabell took over the GPL'd sources and put up a temporary website. At the request of Kyle, the name was changed, and after a vote, Source Mage GNU/Linux was born. On April 4, 2002, sourcemage.org was registered and website content was put up.
>A short while later Kyle rewrote much of his code and released it under a non-GPL license that prevents forking. These three distributions have continued since, however the rest of this article concerns Source Mage.

http://sourcemage.org/History
>Development now continues on 3 separate distros with three distinct goals:
> - Lunar-Linux aims to produce a stable, solid, source-based distro using well-tested software versions.
> - Sorcerer's aims are unclear at this time, but apparently will create a non-free source-based Linux distro to suit Kyle's vision.
> - Source Mage is working to continue rapid development of the sorcery tools and create a 100% free source-based GNU/Linux distro that allows users the maximum amount of freedom and choice possible.

The wikipedia article says that the initial release of Sorcerer GNU/Linux was in 2007, which is obviously wrong.
Although the rest of the article seems legit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorcerer_(Linux_distribution)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Mage

Sorcerer appears to be both non-free and non-existent at present time and nobody gives a shit about Lunar Linux (latest release was in 2014).

>>58994419
>>58994440
>>58994462
Is this an actual distribution with stuff up to date or just some random distribution that no one maintains ?

>>58994743
see >>58994188

>>58994385
pls replace
>/fglt/'s copypasta collection: https://p.teknik.io/wJ9Zy

you have an older version

>>58994784
Will do.

>>58994743
In all honesty yes, is more than up to date than most distros. Just don't get trolled, some people are bitchy about the name and the theme.

This >>58994776 is a lie.

>>>/wsg/1542993
GNU LINUX THREAD ON WSG
>>>/wsg/1542993
GNU LINUX THREAD ON WSG
>>>/wsg/1542993

I dumped most of what I have. Will drop more tonight but want activity in thread.

Copy and pasting from other thread. Dump your GNU/Linux related webms.

>>58994888
what is that arcade game?
in the webm from webm

>>58994888
I am making a couple.

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I had a dream about RMS last night. He was in a mountaintop compound that I visited. He and his disciples became very mad when my dad came to collect me and didn't remove his shoes or use a freedom-respecting phone, and we both got kicked out.

I'm finally going to give Linux a chance /g/.

I've used it before a few times but never wanted to commit to make it my main OS. I've changed my mind though.

Give me the run down on the fresh shit that I need to know

>>58994926
google

>>58994926
Have you decided on a distro?

I'm not sure what you're asking.

>>58994888
>>58994906 the webm from the OP I meant

>>58994926
The difference between 32 and 64 bits, how to burn an iso to a cd or usb, how to enable usb booting in the BIOS, and how to dualboot.

Also, how to use check the OP. Good stuff in there

>>58994812
so it's a lie that the scripts for pretty much everything, including the kernel, x, drivers, audio, video, editors, most of your WMs and DEs that everyone likes, those are all being actively maintained? you should tell your wizard buddies to updated their website and their git then.

>>58994926
Refer to the OP pasta please.

>>58994966
If I have the chance I will tell them, but is implied that what is in the stable repo is there for a reason.

is it just me or is rpm dogshit? slow as fuck with zypper and yum. I've never tried dnf though. It seems incredibly slow compared to pacman and dpkg. it seems like pacman is fastest.

>>58995014
>is more than up to date than most distros
>is more than up to date than most distros
>is more than up to date than most distros
>is more than up to date than most distros

>>58995017
sorcery ftw

>>58994954
No

>>58994952
I am researching atm, just asking for general advice if you have any to give

>>58994957
I made a linux drive in the past to fix stuff, but that's it, only used it as a boot drive

I'm more asking about which distro to use and general user-knowledge stuff that might be interesting/helpful

>>58995035
I know you are trolling, and you probably won't stop after my reply, but do you even read about source mage? They take the latest stable source code directly from upstream, even in the stable repo. That means bleeding edge for you

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Someone should tell the SMGL devs on IRC how popular their distro is getting.
Maybe that'll give them incentive to work harder and speed things up a bit.

>>58994926
You don't really need to know anything.

Install one of the popular distros to a new drive (or free space on a drive), use normally.

>>58995103
this, they need a kick in the butt

>>58995103
maybe they'll actually reach 1.0 by 2030

>>58995099
So does arch
So does debian

>>58995085
Use either Mint or a version of Ubuntu. Any other recommendation of distro is only good if you have experience, otherwise you'll get a hard time. And yes, Mint is just fine.

About daily driving, you need to find the names of the software you are going to need. GNU/Linux most definitely has software for you, like Scribus for advanced word processor, or Lyx, or Texmacs, but you need to find the names.

The OP has a good set of links for that.

>>58995113
neato.

>>58995099
>latest stable source code
>http://mirror.sobukus.de/files/sourcemage/codex/stable/http/firefox/DETAILS
> VERSION=42.0
ok then, if you say so...

I start to enjoy this sorcery meme.

We need to find something to do with a rolling system

I haven't visited these threads for a while, what is this Source Mage meme?
Is it actually good?

>>58995127
> Any other recommendation of distro is only good if you have experience, otherwise you'll get a hard time
Nonsense. Ubuntu is a possibly choice, but hardly the only choice for a beginner.

openSUSE, Manjaro, Sabayon and so many others also are intended to be easy as fuck.

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>>58995184
It's like Gentoo, only better because you get to """"cast"""" """"spells"""" from """"grimoires"""".

https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=sourcemage
>Sourcemage is a source-based GNU/Linux distribution based on a Sorcery metaphor of 'casting' and 'dispelling' programs, which we refer to as 'spells'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Mage
>Source Mage's tagline is “Linux so advanced, it may as well be magic”, and its commands have a “sorcerous theme”. Each package is called a “spell”, and its package management program is called “sorcery”. To install a package the user must “cast” that spell. Casting a spell consists of downloading the source code (if it is not already downloaded), checking for dependencies, casting them if necessary, compiling the program, and installing it. A set of available spells is called a “grimoire”. To uninstall a package the user must “dispel” the spell.

>>58995192
You are right, but I go for the safe bet.

>>58995176
> We need to find something to do with a rolling system
You don't have to look, its quite commonly used to simply keep distros updated with their package manager. Nothing more, nothing less.

Can someone please post all the commands for installing/removing packages etc on smgl?

>>58995201
This sounds so gay and autistic

>>58995249
https://sourcemage.org/Sorcery/Commands

>>58995226
I've had more issues with Ubuntu than with most distros on both bare metal and the later pet VM I kept around.

But I guess YMMV.

>>58995184
see >>58994305, >>58994135, >>58983417, ...
if you want to compile everything from source and be super edgy and have a lot of outdated software and think that makes you cool, you should try it out.
otherwise, stick to distros that are mature/convenient/actively maintained by a competent team

>>58995103
done

>>58995249
To change KEYMAP to your keyboard change /etc/sysconfig/keymap, and /usr/share/keymaps contains the reference keymaps.

to update the package manager

sorcery update

to update the package list

scribe update

to check any changes in the architecture specs

cast smgl-archspecs

to change general things like the color scheme

sorcery

to rebuild everything from source

sorcery rebuild

to recompile the kernel

cast -r linux

after casting new spells you need this to have apropos, man -k, and whatis

makewhatis

to get a list of spells needing upgrade

sorcery -q

to upgrade the spells themselves known to be available for upgrade

cast --queue

to check for broken installations

cleanse --fix

to delete completely a spell

dispel --nosustain SPELL

>>58995184
It's like Gentoo without the vast majority of time that was invested into tooling or package maintenance on that distro (Gentoo pretty much has the most impressive tooling and packages overall).

>>58995334
scrot or it didn't happen

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>>58995347

Any ideas for fun things to do with a 5$ VPS?

I'm currently running a web server and nextcloud.

>>58994955
Symphony ! 8)

>>58995377
lol

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>>58995377
>@sourcemage/Mage/Abh-Elementalist

>>58995377
I don't think that was very polite

>>58995413
delet

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Can /g/ help them reach 1.0?

>>58995263
shut up

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I have no idea if this would be better suited here or in /sqt/ but I'm going to hazard a guess and ask it here.

I have a laptop running Slackware, and a desktop that I'm currently not using. It can either run GNU/Linux or Windows, it shouldn't (in a perfect world) matter which. I use my laptop as a daily driver, but I'd like to be able to come home and be able to use my desktop as well. Previously I've been using it as a computer dedicated to video games, but I'd like to use it as something I use more consistently than that. The crux of the problem is getting things (files, applications, browser sessions) from my laptop to be able to be used by the desktop in a "seamless" manner, caveat being that cloud shit in the vein of Google Drive or Firefox Sync is a non-starter. I'd also prefer not to use something like VNC/RDP, not because it wouldn't work, but just because it'd like chopping a tomato with a choppy, low-framerate nuke.

My original plan was to use something like X11 Forwarding to be able to ssh into my laptop and summon all of the applications I'm running, but then I realized that would create new instances of whatever I'm running rather than just grabbing the currently open window, so that wouldn't work. The less-ideal plan was to use Synergy, so I'd still use two computers but with one keyboard and mouse, but the fucking cunts have started charging money for it, and even if I pirated it, I have no idea whether whatever pirated version would work with whatever version is on Slackbuilds. I've come across some other alternatives (xpra, xmove, x2x), but they're not exactly what I'm looking for, and some of them are grossly, grossly outdated. Like 1997 outdated.

tl;dr: is there a good way to use both a laptop and a desktop at the same time, operating one semi-remotely from the other?

There's a lot of wisdom floating around the internet, and I'm not crazy about a large portion of it. Figured I'd at least ask before giving up.

>>58995809
>would work with whatever version is on Slackbuilds
the SlackBuild on SBo was last updated for 1.7.5 and the latest release on git is 1.8.6, in my experience you can usually get away with just changing the version number in sbopkg (or in the script itself if you download and run in manually) and it usually still builds with no problem, or at most you have to look if they changed some files that it is expected to move somewhere, or you might need to upgrade some library dependency.
According to Wikipedia,
>On 8 September 2014, the Synergy developers started charging a fee for distribution of pre-compiled binary files of Synergy on their website, while offering a free download for the source code. The developers claim only "0.002% of people were donating" to fund the development before charging
and this was before 1.7.5
Unless they changed their model, I'm guessing you can still download the source and compile it without having to pay them anything.
Try it out, let me/us know if it works. I've never heard of Synergy and I don't really feel like sitting through some oversimplified youtube video explanations.

>>58995809
x2x might be the thing you want
it's similar to synergy, you use it via ssh like this

ssh -Y <desktop ip> x2x -to :0 -west

it allows you to move your mouse pointer through the west side of you laptop screen into the desktop screen and redirects all your input to the desktop.
You need to enable X11 forwarding for it to work.
I think there's a way to share the clipboard also.

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>>58996029
Fuck, I didn't even think about looking for the source code. I figured they gave a fat finger to everyone and closed the source so they could make a fucktillion shekels. The Windows depends look awful, but, well, Windows. I suppose I could have a VM dedicated to building this shit so I don't poison the host install if I had to. I'll guess I'll give >>58996030 a shot before I go whole hog, seems a bit easier to compile one thing on the host rather than two things on the host and client, but I'll keep that in mind for the future. Really, the best situation would be something analogous to screen or tmux for X11 applications, but it's not looking like a(n easily accessible) thing, so I guess this'll have to be the next best choice(s). Thanks for the pointers, though.

Retard nigger winkids can't even figure out a terminal, I know my computer for sure.

>>58996248
I'm using Arch btw

>>58996256
install source mage

>>58996256
The terminal gives you power compared to niggerlicious buttons made by fags.

>>58995343
not that anon, but thanks
that's very helpful

Installing Source Mage first thing tomorrow

>>58995201
that's pretty cool imo

Friendly reminder that systemd is an NSA botnet programmed by big time jerk Lennart Poettering who is on the take from the NSA, FBI, CIA, Kremlin, Mossad, and MI6/MI5. The lack of proof is proof of a coverup.

>>58996476
no

What is the most painless way to set up a LAMP server on my laptop running Mint and SSH into it from my desktop?

What is wrong with umbuntu? You guys are making me consider suicide

>>58996443
You mean dat flamboyance?

Because otherwise, have you considered what the tooling of a binary distro looks like on the distro maintainers side?

>>58996506
it's not Arch :^)

>>58996529
but muh gentwoo

>>58996539
>>58996529
source mage ftw

>>58996494
You install the packages you want (is that really apache for the web server rather than nginx, lighttpd, cherokee or something?) and use them.

>>58996549
>source mage
CIA is on that shit nigga

Still waiting for those niggers devuan to hurry the fuck up and release as stable.

>>58996567
:^)

>>58996579
cant trust deblyin ted cruz either.

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Dispel systemd.

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>>58996235
If you just want
>things (files, applications, browser sessions) from my laptop to be able to be used by the desktop in a "seamless" manner
I imagine you can set up nfs and a bunch of symlinks so that one box gets it's shit from the other. Perhaps make a little script that rsyncs your home directory between the two if you take the laptop somewhere away from your desktop and it does some browsing on its own? You probably won't be able to avoid some things getting overwritten or you might break the whole profile since I doubt it was designed to be used that way, but it doesn't hurt to experiment.
I imagine you might even be able to run software from one box on the other if you either do some careful/clever linking, or keep the required library objects up to date on both machines
Also you can launch X applications on the remote machine over ssh by setting DISPLAY.

>>58996684
why would you even install it in the first place?

>>58996758
I wouldn't

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How do I change konsole's resolution? This is happening when I type netctl

Why would you want to use a specific terminal? They all seem pretty much exactly the same. I only use urxvt because it handles colour schemes in a way that works easily to be the same as my wallpaper.

>>58996768
Yeah, you would cast it, if anything.

>>58997084
hey i really like chromium, it's a much better and faster browser imho
any way i can cast that?

>>58997283
INSTALL SOURCE MAGE LUL

I need a program for e-books that allows me to write notes on the "sides" of the pages and allows me to highlight the text (like with a marker)

Anything out there? There are some for Android that do these, but I need one for desktop too.

>>58996579

>using an operating system "created" by a handful of bitter people who leech off other people's work for 99% of "their" operating system and only hackishly disable something everyone else is using and which only causes more work for no upsides

ha ha hahahahgjhgajgkghjh

Is there an option to install opensuse with no DE?

I fail to understand the difference between distributions and why people care so much about them. It seems to me like the only important difference is package management, and how large/minimal and easy the installation is.

>>58998716
Distros are a fascinating thing. All the systems can install the same software, yet things like drivers can run completely different depending on what system their on.

>>58998629
look up "opensuse headless"

>>58998716
many distros are largely the same, especially when they derive from an already popular distro like debian. there's more to it than just the package manager. But yes if you are just using your distro casually at home there's no need to worry too much about what you use.

>>58995344
>Gentoo pretty much has the most impressive tooling and packages overall
>GCC 4.9

>>58998905
switch to global unstable

>>58998932
>anything beyond GCC 4.9 is unstable on gentoo
impressive tooling

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I am trying to set up multiple DNSCrypt providers since I am currently only using one which is not all the time available.

This is where I have a problem: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DNSCrypt#Redundant_DNSCrypt_providers
According to the wiki article, I have to copy the systemd service and socket files and change the values in those.
I tried to copy and rename the second pair of service and socket files, but when I wanted to start them, dnscrypt failed with the message that dnscrypt-proxy.socket is not available (since I renamed it).

What am I supposed to do?

>>58998940
Yeah! pretty impressive!

Is there a command to jump to the next unused workspace in i3?
I have dual monitors, and it's annoying to have to look at both monitors' used workspaces when I want to open something else.

>>58999022
i have it setup so super+1-= is main monitor, and super+f1-f12 is secondary monitor

Regex wizard, please help.
I want to get the text between the <p> elements. There is a bunch of them and I can't figure out how to get all of them seperately. Using

<p>.*<\/p>

Gives me one huge block and I want them separated. Is this even possible with regex?

Text I want to search:
http://pastebin.com/ZQdsMSiE

>>58999090
.*?

>>58998716

>package manager
>software repository (size, licenses accepted)
>software patching policy (keeping it close to upstream or not)
>release model

Are the things which matter.

>>58998734

>things like drivers can run completely different depending on what system their on.
No, stop spreading misinformation.

>>58999090
It depends if the regex implementation you're using supports lazy matching.
If it does: >>58999093
If it doesn't, something like <p>[^<]*<\/p> would work.

>>58999093

wtf i love regex now?

Seriously, what did the questionmark change? I didn't know you could combine * and ?.

>>58999117
https://www.google.com/search?q=regex+greedy

>>58999117
By default, a regex will match the longest string it can (greedy).
My using the question mark, you tell it to be non-greedy and match the shortest string it can.

>>58999120
>>58999131

Thanks.
I looked it up and apparently what I wanted was "lazy" as mentioned here >>58999104.

>>58996506
canonical. It's a shitty company that waste time creating their own stuff instead of contributing to other open source projects. And what they create is unstable and they can't won't fix it.

Any light-just-werks-unbloated-ubuntu based-because too lazy to do anything to install software-distro?

I keep returning to qwinblows because I don't have enough free time to manage my shit

>>58999388
Just use Windows. Everyone will be happier.

>>58999388
Ubuntu minimal

Source Mage OS is the shittiest OS ever, and that's counting OS X and Windows.
Prove me wrong, SMGL shill(s). Protip: you can't.

>>58999388
Ubuntu GNOME. All you have to do is to run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade every once in a while.

>>58999600
Dubs have spoken.

>>58999606
>unbloated

>>58999623
He asked for an Ubuntu-based distro. How can you have an unbloated Ubuntu-based distro? Maybe get Debian.

Fucking samba garbage I swear...
Currently trying to get a simple share running for the family, but all I get when I try to connect is "permission denied". What am I doing wrong?
smb.conf:

[global]
workgroup = WORKGROUP
security = user
guest account = nobody
map to guest = Bad User

[homes]
comment = Home Directories
browsable = no
read only = no
create mode = 0750

[public]
path = /home/nr/share/ 
public = yes
writable = yes
comment = smb share
printable = no
guest ok = yes

>>58999635
By not putting the heaviest DE on top.

>>58999606
>apt-get update
what year is it
it's just apt update nowadays

>>58999642
>just werks
Also, GNOME is not the heaviest DE, it's KDE.

>>58999651
Well, it's been years since I used an apt-based distro, so I don't really know.

>>58999664
>t. arch fedoralord
i bet

>>58999656
>GNOME is not the heaviest DE, it's KDE
top kek

>>58999670
Well, I like Arch, and there's no reason for me to use something else.

How do i get Spotify from a terminal using npcpppppppppcppp?

>>58999670
>using a debian-based distro on the desktop in the current year
Everyone has realized by now that the Debian model is useless on the desktop. There might be some merit to using ancient software on servers (or not) but there is no reason to do so one the desktop.

>>58999675
It's true, I have a slow-ass laptop, and I tried installing Fedora KDE on it once; it was so slow that I couldn't do anything.
Now I have GNOME installed on it, and it works just fine.

>>58999689
Step 1: You need a premium account
Step 2: Use the spotify api.

>>58999698
>Gnome focused distro runs better with Gnome
No fucking shit. Every RAM usage comparison will show you that Gnome eats more.

>>58999694
>Ubuntu
>ancient software
eh?

>>58999729
Everyone knows that Debian-based distros (like Ubuntu) take longer to add new software to their packages databases.

>>58999735
so? Give me one good reason why I'd need the newest software.
What you bleeding edge retards tend to for get is, that 99% of the people want a system that just works. Throughly tested software just works. People who have a job don't have the time to fix their system all the time.

>>58994385
I'm trying to set up i3 and the bar but I'm confused as to what DHCP on the i3bar shows. It just says no, what should I do to change it to something else? Like what is the information shown here? I don't know much about networking.

>>58999767
The standard i3bar is full retard. Don't worry about it. But read the documentation.

I was enjoying arch until my system broke a few days ago. For a rolling release that has recent packages, and a good amount of packages, as well as not breaking, which is better- opensuse or fedora? I dislike how fedora treats updates as a major thing every six months rather than gradual. Is openSUSE similar?

>>58999837
Unfortunately I don't have an answer to your question but can you please describe what was broken?

>>58999837
Fedora has nopackages. Don't know about suse. Stop being a retard and fix your arch.

>>58998905
You can use GCC 6.3 if you want, or the latest clang or even icc.

Some stuff in Gentoo stable won't compile then, but that is upstream's fault.

>>58999874
>not using source mage

>>58999837
>my system broke
What did you do? Shit doesn't just break on its own.
Every time I've ever had a problem with arch, it's always because I fucked up somehow.

A common cause of shit that "randomly" (not really) broke for me was when I had a bunch of ancient AUR packages installed that I wasn't keeping up to date, and then new packages that pacman brought in relied on those newer versions.

>>58999767
Just comment out that line. It has something to do with DHCP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Host_Configuration_Protocol).

#order += "run_watch DHCP"

>>58999874
>source based distro
>ancient compiler by default and you can't switch to a newer one without breaking some packages
>impressive tooling
you need to admit that you can only pick two

>>58999874
I'm not aware of anything that GCC has done which would cause previously valid programs to not compile.

>>58999874
Would anyone really cripple their system like that?

>>58999901
It's more like what previously valid programs have done to cause future versions of GCC to not compile them.

>>58999922
That's the same thing.
Has GCC done anything to break backwards compatibility in the somewhat recent past?
I suppose the only possible thing would be defaulting to gnu11, so gnu89/c89 programs that didn't explicitly say which version they're using might compile with a bunch of warnings now.

>>58999641
Since when can nobody bad user access files?

>>58999781
>>58999890
Ok, I understand this but what I don't understand is what it would show if there was an actual information to show? The ip address of the DHCP server? How can I test it, or did I get it completely wrong?

>>58999942
If all programs relyed on stable and widely supported standeards, this wouldn't happen.
Just put

#define _POSIX_C_SOURCE (1L)

at the start of your code, and you'll be using C89 aka ANSI C.

>>58999958
On my system it simply shows my ip.

>>58999969
install gentoo

>>58999980
No. See >>58999874

>>58999969
Is it computer's IP address in your home network or is it the IP assigned by ISP? I'm a bit confused now.

>>58999958

run_watch DHCP {
        pidfile = "/var/run/dhclient*.pid"
}

I don't know what "pidfile" does but that's the definition of the DHCP function.

>>58999967
Why the hell wouldn't you want to use C11 in new code?
Also, just defining that isn't going to put you in C89 mode. You need to pass the appropriate option to the compiler.

>>58999899
> Distro does not maintain and update all upstream packages, therefore its packages aren't impressive.
Not how this works.

>>58999901
You apparently aren't running Gentoo or anything like it then. Using GCC 5 or 6 *will* break packages, same as GCC 4 and 3 did. Upstream will take a long while to update packages.

>>58999909
What is crippled...? Its just stable.

If you prefer or need unstable or bleeding edge, use it.

>>58999990
No, it's the local IP in your network, not the public IP assigned by the ISP.

>>59000001
Compatibility.

>>59000000
GET.

>>59000008
>Distro does not maintain and update all upstream packages
The compiler is not just any package.

>>59000008
>What is crippled...? Its just stable.
>If you prefer or need unstable or bleeding edge, use it.
i was referring to running 6.3 on gentoo

>>59000014
>Compatibility.
With what?
Both GCC and Clang, the only relevant C compilers, support and even default-to C11.
Even if you're not going to use C11, C99 has a tonne of useful shit, and the later POSIX standards defer to that.

>You apparently aren't running Gentoo or anything like it then
No, I'm not.
What specifically broke? What did GCC do?

>>59000040
I meant to add a link to >>59000008

>>59000001
>Also, just defining that isn't going to put you in C89 mode. You need to pass the appropriate option to the compiler.
Yes it does, see feature_test_macros(7)

>>59000040
>Both GCC and Clang, the only relevant C compilers, support and even default-to C11.
No they don't.

Not only isn't C11 fully supported by either, but GCC defaults to GNU C

how do I skip a failing pgp check in yaourt?

>>58999641

Because Bad User most likely has no permission to read /home/nr/share.

>>59000056
Semantics the best you can do? Has >>59000040 already won?

>>59000062
>>58999641

I mean "nobody". "nobody" probably can't read /home/n/share".

>>59000059
Step 1: Uninstall yaourt
Step 2: Install pacaur

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>>59000055
Sure thing, buddy.

>>58999689

Do you know what ncmpcpp is? If the answer is yes, then you most likely know you can't.

>>59000066
>different standards
>"semantics"

What the hell are you on about? GNU C (aka GNU99) and C11 are objectively different standards, GNU C aims to extend ISO C 99

>>58999862

He most likely installed everything he can from the AUR, which conflicted with official packages or replaced them. That's the average idiot who complains about "my Arch broke".

>>59000089
>GNU C (aka GNU99)
Since 5.0 GCC defaults to GNU11.

>>59000089
>GNU C (aka GNU99)
GNU C is at GNU11
>are objectively different standards
GNU C is a strict superset of the corresponding ISO C.

Yes, what I said wasn't completely accurate, but it's only something a turbo-autist would point out.

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>>59000094
Ah, thanks.

>>59000099
>GNU C is a strict superset of the corresponding ISO C.
It's not, C11 threads are not supported in GNU11 because of glibc limitations.

>but it's only something a turbo-autist would point out.
We are literally discussing fucking compilers, technicalities are relevant.

>>59000028
Yes? That's the whole point, isn't it?

Taking the conservative stance with a package that compiles the whole system allows for your system to just compile while upstream updates for GCC 5 and GCC 6 (and LLVM etc.).

I don't see how this is hard to get. The other approach would be to literally patch ALL of upstream's packages for them, but at that point you're essentially maintaining all of upstream.

>>59000033
Well, I'm actually doing that. And using the GOLD linker with LLVM's ThinLTO is actually more annoying.

But that's not the same as it being suitable for unstable or stable. My choice, eh. Most people probably don't want to deal with these breakages.

>>59000056
>C11 fully supported by either
They support all of the required features, so it is accurate to say they implement C11.

>>59000118
>C11 threads are not supported in GNU11
C11 threads are an optional feature.
>because of glibc limitations
It's just them dragging their feet. There is nothing inherently stopping them.

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>>59000099
>gets corrected
>"shut up you fucking turbo-autist"

>>59000121
It's simply not impressive tooling if they can't even figure out how to have multiple compilers on the same system and have packages use the correct one. It's not even a hard problem. nix and coreos have solved it already.

>The other approach would be to literally patch ALL of upstream's packages for them,
>ALL
>>58999874
>Some stuff in Gentoo stable won't compile then
>Some
hmmm

>>59000144
I really should correct myself.
What I said was completely the truth, but it was not the whole truth.
There is such a thing as context. I shouldn't have to explain everything in excruciating detail, because what I said was fucking obvious.

>>59000099
>‘gnu11’
>‘gnu1x’
> GNU dialect of ISO C11. This is the >default for C code. The name ‘gnu1x’ is deprecated.
Yeah, you're right. Deafult GCC = GNU C = gnu11.

>>59000152
Fixing packages that won't compile on newer GCC takes abit of time, it's been like that with every major GCC release.

>>59000133
>It's just them dragging their feet. There is nothing inherently stopping them.
There is, because GCC is heavily relying on POSIX threads (in fact, that is how they implement OpenMP) and POSIX threading model is not 1:1 mappable to C11 threads.

>>59000172
>takes abit of time
5.1 was released April 2015.

>>59000166
>what I said was fucking obvious.
Obvious to you, maybe, but not obvious to everyone ITT. I think you might have some form of autism to be quite frank.

>>59000082
So is there a macro that I can define to tell GCC to pass "std=c90"?

>>59000179
>POSIX threading model is not 1:1 mappable to C11 threads
Yeah, I think it was to do with spurious wakeups and C11 having some situation be defined when it was undefined in POSIX.
So to implement proper, standards-compliant C11 threads, they can't just use a thin layer over pthreads.
There was actually a patch set that implemented C11 threads in glibc, but the author didn't really push for it enough, and it hasn't made it in yet.

>>59000247
Name one (1) person who gives a fuck about C11 threads.

>>59000260
Someone who's trying to win an argument?

>>59000208
tn. frank means honest, as in desu (to be honest)

>>59000260
Not him, I'm the guy he is responding to. But I care, a uniform cross-platform threading library that just works on all sorts of embedded platforms would greatly decrease development time and increase my life quality.

The introduction of standard threads and atomic types to C++11 also made the process of porting code from Linux to Windows Embedded take loss let effort.

>>59000211
No. A macro is just going to be part of the preprocessor and won't have an effect on the compiler.
If anything, it would be a #pragma, but I do not believe that there is a GCC #pragma which changes the standard used.

>>59000260
It would just be a nice thing to have.
It may make writing multithreaded programs that also work on the winmeme easier.

>>59000277
ex. The Importance of Being Frank

>>58999600
After reading about it, it seems SM is LFS with a package manager + a few tools.
it isn't bad on paper. It just need a bigger community, more people involved on the project to be good.

>>59000283
*lot less

>>59000297
I would argue that the magic theme is bad on paper. But then again, I use pacman, so what the hell.

>>59000315
>pacman
Only the best package manager.

>>59000319
>yeah but it also has a meme name

>>59000277
τβh

>>59000319
I agree.

>>59000329
Only because there was a game with the same name doesn't make it a meme name.
It's actually a fitting name: PACkage MANager.

>>59000345
Makes me think:

What the fuck is an apt, a yum, or a portage?

>>59000355
That's a Greek beta, not a German Eszett, φαμ.

>>59000357
A Package Tool (iirc)

Yellowstone Updater, Modified

>>59000345
It is obviously still named after the game, at least partly.

>>59000152
> It's simply not impressive tooling if they can't even figure out how to have multiple compilers on the same system
This works just fine.

> and have packages use the correct one.
They're going to test various compilers at various versions using various toolchains / system libraries on various CPU on 11 CPU architectures over ~20k packages.

And do all that in order to do or work around upstream and fix their packages to actually be valid with common compilers?!

No, they'll file bug reports with upstream instead. And maybe apply patches themselves if upstream doesn't react for important packages.

> It's not even a hard problem. nix and coreos have solved it already.
I see nothing of the sorts in Nix' package specification even for their limited number of packages and few architectures they support.

And CoreOS is using Gentoo to compile binaries for Docker containers, isn't it? That does not include shit for compiler version choices.

>>59000357
Advanced Packaging tool
Sound you make when expressing the deliciousness of food
No idea.

>>59000357
>>59000372
nevermind, I was wrong on both of those. I need to sleep

>>59000075
/share is 777

>>59000357
apt was already explained, yum = Yellow dog Updater, Modified.

And Portage is not an abbreviation, neither is the primary tool "emerge" it provides.

>>59000473
>Yellow dog Updater, Modified
hmmm

>>59000482
Well, actually Yellowdog Updater, Modified. My bad.

>>59000512
What's a yellow dog?

>>59000525
A dog that is yellow

>>59000525
Chinese dog

>>59000691
Wtf yum is problematic now.

>>58999651

man apt

The lack of documentation is shocking, I'll keep using apt-(get|cache) until they get their shit together.

>>58999675
Maybe they meant package sizes and not RAM usage.

Disk space is cheap so it's a pretty shit thing to note, but it's true.
Especially if you need to compile any components yourself.

Running Mint cinnamon now.
Want to try a new distro. What looks good and doesnt eat too much ram?

Why refresh rate of my monitor go back to 60hz from 144hz after every reboot?
I did saved config for nvidia-settings as root (i want this to work for all users), i did add xrandr --output DVI-I-2 --mode 1920x1080 --rate 144 to /etc/rc.local but still nothing changes.
I did read alot of solutions but im exhausted already because nothing works.
I'm on debian 8, please help.

>>59000798
DE?

>>59000844
gnome

>>59000708
y tho

>>59000748
source mage.

>What looks good
any DE can be installed on any distribution.
>doesnt eat too much ram
debian shouldn't eat too much ram

>>59000865
Check if mutter is not autodetecting (and setting) the refresh rate incorrectly (there should be an optional control panel).
Also note that gnome, when supported by the hardware, will use wayland by default, so xrandr or general x config will not do anything.

>>59000879
I'm not going to SO every time I want to know how to do something because the package maintainers can't support their own shit.

It is entirely unclear how some commands map from apt-get or apt-cache to apt, if they even map at all.

>>59000103
>Are the vPro features of Intel CPUs fully utilized by linux
If you have a TPM module installed then yes.
With some tools you can tweek it even more.

>>59000199
I'm on 5.4.0 at the moment works fine with everything, going to gcc 6.3.0 if SSP+PIE works on everything.

>>59000896
really? can i install mate or cinnamon on source mage then?

>>59001456
the real question is can you?

>>59001000
So it's an autism thing?

>>59001494
is there a real answer or is it all just a big stupid meme?

I've got a laptop with 2 hardrives in it. Is ther a way to run my OS off one of the drives like normal, but have absolutely everything I do mirrored realtime on the other hdd? so at any time I could potentially just pull out the primary drive, boot onto the second one and everything would be exactly the same?

>>59001568
RAID mirroring aka RAID 1

>>59001646
which also have the advantage of automatically switching to the second disk if the first one fail.

>>59001646
cool thanks

Hello /fglt/

I want to get a linux distro for the main purpose looking "leet" and "cool". I want to rice the balls out of it and make my desktop look like one of those election-tampering pool-closing ""russian" hackers". Such displays make me harder than hentai girls. I also want it do do some useful shit, of course, but the main selling point is cool.

Tell me what to do.

>>59001724
>also want it do do some useful shit
Stay with windows my man.

>>59001724
>Tell me what to do.
do not, there are better things to do.
But if you really want:
http://blog.z3bra.org/2013/10/home-sweet-home.html
http://dotshare.it/

>>59001456
http://mirror.sobukus.de/files/sourcemage/codex/listing.html

They really need a bigger community

Anyone running Gentoo with USE="-*"? How painful is it (for you)?

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>>59001724
just use a tiling window manager, do everything via the command line like it's the 1980's.

>>59001753
so i guess it doesn't make sense to choose it over gentoo or slackware then, huh

>>59001765
desu, this distro looks like a hobby distro, like LFS.

>>59001753
>gnome-desktop3 3.8.3 3.8.3
jesus.....
why would anyone use something so outdated?

Should I use networkmanager?

Arch is only a stepping stone.

what distro should i install? hydrogen or pure debian then install lxqt? Idk plox help

>>59002198
no, by using it you're only supporting the turning of GNU/Linux into windows
if you have a choice not to install it, don't

>>59002211
debian
if you're a first time user, see the OP pasta

>>59002198
No
>>59002211
>debian
>on the desktop

>>59002198
please don't

>>59002227
What other choice do I have?
I've been using wpa_supplicant and it's ok but whenever I need to re-connect or change the network I'm connected to, or I just make a mistake
the network is all messed up for some reason.
I'd use "wicd" but I had some bad experiences with that in the past, and I've read some stuff about it being flawed or not being developed anymore or something

>>59002258
if you think you need a network manager, use any of these besides NetworkManager
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_network_configuration#Automatic_setup

>>59002258
How are you using wpa_supplicant?
Do you use systemd?
If so, there's already a unit file.

>>59002227
not first time but not a wiz either. i can su- though

>>59002229
on the laptop!

>>59002291
No systemd. I just do:
>wpa_supplicant -B -i wlo1 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/PROFILE.conf
>dhcpcd wlo1
Which connects fine, I just don't know how to make it start working again when it stops working. Like when I wake my laptop up from sleep for example the network isn't working and if I use the above again it just gives some error

Should I just read up a bit more on wpa_supplicant?
I just thought this mean I really needed to get a network manager of some kind

I just wanted to come and say that I just got Linux Mint's newest KDE release running and damn is this comfy. Holy shit.

>>59002326
Are you using systemd as your init system?

>>59002305
>on the laptop!
Even worse holy fuck.

>>59002349
No, OpenRC

>>59002371
systemd is the only init system supported on /fglt/.

I would really like networkmanager if it didn't like so much to ignore my system's settings.
>Oh, you configured your kernel to disable ipv6 slaac? too bad, we enable it by default even if it's a major privacy concern.
>spoofing your MAC, huh? well, we reconfigure your net interface so it will get its original MAC back after every operation we do on it, you have to enable those badly undocumented options to spoof your MAC.
>oh yeah. you should also install and configure kwallet, we will remind you periodically.
and so on.

>>59002305
fyi there's firmware-x.y.z-amd64-netinstall.iso's available for Debian. They include firmware blobs for Wifi devices etc. Your laptop will probably need a firmware blob.

If you're fine with not having the latest packages I'd recommend you to stay with Debian stable. You can still use backports to install newer versions of your favourite applications, check out https://backports.debian.org/

Alternatively install Debian testing or unstable ("sid"). They have newer packages but might bug out once in a blue moon (testing is actually fine).

>>59002326
there is a minimalist but useful gui for wpa supplicant with a tray icon, but it's somewhat a pain to set up without root permissions.

>>59002371
I don't know OpenRC, but I suggest you make it a service that restarts on fail (if that's possible with OpenRC)
If not, put something like

while :; do
    [ ! -n "$(pgrep -f wpa_supplicant)" ] && wpa_supplicant -B -i wlo1 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/PROFILE.conf
done

somewhere.

>>59002203
towards what end?

>>59002456
no the problem is that I don't know how to get it working again _at all_. I'm not complaining abut convenience or automation. That wpa_supplicant line just gives an error and my network remains down. I have to restart my entire machine just to redo the network which is ridiculous obviously. (I'm sure there's a simple way to fix it but I can't figure it out)

Anyways I might try getting wifi-radar

>>59002489
That doesn't make any sense.
Are you sure wpa_supplicant is kill when you start it again?

>>59002510
No, I'm a wpa_supplicant n00b. I'll see if that works then. Thanks

>>59002489

ip link set wl01 up

or

ifconfig wl01 up

depending on which one you use

>>59002526
If it's still running in the background while you start it again, it makes sense that weird stuff should happen.
Make sure to kill it with

killall wpa_supplicant

and if your network interface goes down, do >>59002531
You can write a script to check if your interface is down and bring it up automatically.

>>59002350
debians like the best for laptops isnt it? better focus on minimalism.

also on the intel atom!!

>>59002410
debian testing seems like its basically the stable version compared to other distros, however id probs just stick on stable. its always the wifi drivers that are propietary arent they? are they actually that hard to write?

>>59002565
Drivers are often open source but they require a firmware blob to work. Same with AMD GPUs etc.

modprobe -r or rmmod ?

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>>59002620

>>59002633
rmmod it is then.

>>59002640
the manpage is suggesting the opposite. I believe the main reason is that rmmod will only remove the selected module, while modprobe -r will also remove others modules that were started as dependency of the select module.

tldl: use modprobe -r, it will do a deps check and generally be cleaner.

>>59002662
why does rmmod even exist then?

>>59002667
debugging probably.

$ filezilla
Reading locale option from /home/user/.config/filezilla/filezilla.xml
setlocale C successful
locale set to C
Segmentation Fault (core dumped)

Any idea what could be the problem ? searched online and didn't found anything helpful

>>58994426
seconding this

>>59002962
dd you generate and set a locale?

>>59003028
yeah, I've been using this computer for a while now, and filezilla used to work fine

>>59001739
Kill yourself my man.

>>59003071
run filezilla with gdb so we can see what is causing the segfault.

>>59000297
Maybe if devs give the option to rename commands we can banish the trolls, pun intended.

But seriously, Source Mage has a good package management, if they added a better binary package management like in Slackware that would be awesome.

>>59003222
>Maybe if devs give the option to rename commands
alias ?

Why can't there be a tiling window manager with close buttons on the windows?

>>59003359
the point of tiling window managers is to be keyboard driven
I don't even use the stupid buttons on floating wm's

>>59003170
>>59002962

(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/bin/filezilla 
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
Using host libthread_db library "/usr/lib/libthread_db.so.1".
Reading locale option from /home/zilot/.config/filezilla/filezilla.xml
setlocale C successful
locale set to C
[New Thread 0x7fffe81d1700 (LWP 7424)]
[New Thread 0x7fffe79d0700 (LWP 7425)]
[New Thread 0x7fffe6cac700 (LWP 7426)]
[New Thread 0x7fffe64ab700 (LWP 7427)]
[Thread 0x7fffe79d0700 (LWP 7425) exited]
*** Caught unhandled unknown exception; terminating
18:48:55: Debug: 1 threads were not terminated by the application.

I'm using filezilla 3.24.0-1, the current stable version.

>>59003359
why the fuck would you need that?

>>59003375
I thought the point was to tile

>>59003391
yes, so you don't have to do manual labor with your mouse

Is there a tool which colorizes terminal output based on config files?

I'm dreaming of something like:
ping stallman.org | colorize -f ping
diff penis.c vagina.c | colorize -f diff

>>59003387
I've been trying to make my work laptop a little bit more user friendly with a guest account and all, just in case.
I'd rather not install a whole different window manager just for that. I got an application launcher menu that runs in the tray so someone could figure out how to open firefox or something.
But there is no way they'd figure out how to close applications

>>59003170
thx, managed to find a fix. I just needed to remove the .config/filezilla directory

>>59003380
>>59002962

>>59003419
just install a different wm for them
make a different .xinitrc

>>59003411
>ping stallman.org
this, stop pinging 8.8.8.8 or google.com, faggots
nudge/say hello to rms instead

>>59003433
I just said I don't want to

I guess tiling wm users really are just minimalists. There's nothing about the concept of a tiling wm that is anti-mouse or anti window decoration or buttons

>>59003435
It was just an example, but I would rather ping google. Why bother fsf servers with spammy logs.

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>tried to install Ubuntu
>internal storage disappeared

What do I do? I can't add the uefi trusted device thing in my bios because there's no option for it.

>>59003435
>inb4 temporary ip bans from stallman.org

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>>59003411
may this http://nojhan.github.io/colout/

new thread
>>59003623

>>59003483
You probably changed from UEFI+Legacy to UEFI and there aren't any viable UEFI bootables.

>>58996235
https://symless.com/nightly
Don't tell anyone.

>>59003649
How? All I did was disable secure boot.

*** THIS THREAD IS DEPRECATED ***
This thead is only provided for compatibility and will be removed in a future release. Please use avconv instead.

>>59003713
s/avconv/reddit

>>59003713
kek

>>59003483
Why are you installing Ubuntu?

>>59004021
Because it's the only distro that's easy to install on my t100ta and I'm not the most tech literate?

I'm using Solus on my other laptop and that was perfect, but for bay trail bullshit is really pissing me off to be honest.

>>59003483
apt-get install internal-storage