ReactOS 0.4.4 Released

>>58985927
>devs being that retarded to do screenshots this time

>>58985927
>crowfunding got them cash
>community votes that the new paid dev should work on word 2007
>he actually made it work, the absolute madman

Makes me regret that I didn't continue my osdev hobby past 2004. Went deep into it, made certain parts of OS and a usable GUI from zero back then. Could have probably made a better ReactOS by now myself.

>>58985941
They would but every time they took a screenshot, it BSOD'd

>>58985927
Why use it when posready 09 exists?

>>58986184
> open-source windows
Can't you read?

>>58985951
>tfw in ten years we might have the current autodesk inventer running on it.

>>58985927
How is it better than Windows XP?

>>58986338
It's free (as in freedom).

>>58986338
It is not. It IS alpha.

But i guess having support for more filesystems is a pro.

Also it is waaaay more lightweight

>>58986002
Lol.

>>58986372
>Also it is waaaay more lightweight
Does that really help? I have an old shitty HP laptop and Windows XP handles internet browsing way better than any "lightweight" distro I've tried.

>>58986398
It's alpha. I wouldn't recommend installing it for serious use.

>>58986398
Can ReactOS run Firefox? If not, I suggest just sticking with XP.

>>58986398
No but you asked for pros. Also it is not linux, it is windows from scratch

>>58986419
>Also it is not linux, it is windows from scratch
Oh, cool. That intrigues me.

>>58986417
Yes.

>>58986417
Yes it can. But:

> no wifi
> lack of most drivers
> no OS updater or package manager

>>58986002
Sure thing bud

>>58985951
Cease and desist when?

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>>58986372
How does it compare to TinyXP?

>>58986449
Then he should keep XP.

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>>58986460
HOLY SHIT

>>58986547
You won't be able to use it though. It installs on no hardware, supports nothing (tell me when USB 2.0 support is there) and is highly unstable.

>>58986613
it does install, though

how many people work on this project ?

>>58986613
>You won't be able to use it though
I just did this to show off. the machine uses 512MB ram normally.

> It installs on no hardware
Anything really old(early2000) should be fine.

Especially loves Core 2 Duos(which is what i use every day)

>supports nothing (tell me when USB 2.0 support is there)

Yes, but at least USB 1.1 works

> and is highly unstable.

Yes but not as much as it was though

>>58986658
for an opensource project it is quite a lot

>>58986678
>No USB 2.0
WTF

Can I rice it like on linux?

ITT people don't realize that the closer we get to making an Open-Source clone of Windows, the closer we get to being able to integrate full support for Windows programs into Linux or other open-source OSes, officially BTFOing Microsoft.

>Soon we will have MUH FREEDOMS, MUH GAYMES and MUH HARDWARE SUPPORT all in one OS.

>>58986751
Can rice more than windows.

>>58986804
A lot of code (particularly userspace) is shared with wine.

>>58986804
N-No, t-this can't be happening!

Anon, don't you want to play our new open world first person sandbox adventure that is exclusive to Win10?
W-we h-have DirectX 13 which improves your framerate by 1%!!!

Just be a good goy and sunbscribe to our Windows Service For Life™

>>58986804
> officially BTFOing Microsoft
It's not even that for me.
> Windows without Metro UI
> Runs everything and on everything
Someday it should be like that.

>>58986459
this
it's such a flawed concept
it will never get close to being finished, and if and when it will - they will get sued

>>58986804
>soon
>SOON
remind me in 2183

You know, now that Microsoft literally stopped real Windows development after Win 7. This has a real chance of catching up.

>>58986924
Since they're reverse-engineering and writing it all themselves they should be in the clear. The best they could hope to do is force them to change the visual style really.

>>58986944
A man can dream. If this matured enough to let me run all muh older games I'd move to Linux. (pretty sure these guys share dev work with WINE as well, so the better this gets, the better WINE gets)

>>58985927
>Still in Alpha
bottomleft kek

>>58986008
My sides

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>>58987105
what will happen when apple will patent the patent?

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>some autists in the late 80's/early 90's decide to make open source UNIX clones
>ten years later, BSD and GNU (even though GNU it's not a UNIX clone, it is UNIX-like)
>some autist in the 90's decides to make open source Windows clone
>20 years later it's still in pre-alpha state

Why?

I'm glad they have been making so much progress lately.

>>58986398
It's incredibly unstable. Not even suitable for dicking around in games

>>58986547
That's like windows ME/2000 level I think which is about correct as far as software compatibility but not stability.

>>58987493
UNIX is simple, well documented and ancient.

Windows is a complex, propriety target that keeps updating.

>>58987493
Research Unix was distributed with source code. Windows isn't. Also Windows NT is a hell of a lot more complex

>>58987493
Bad business model

>>58987493
for the same reasons nobody has ever done anything with minix i imagine

WINE(makes up the userland of ReactOS) is fairly compatible with older games, if they can get ReactOS stable and improve hardware support they might have a market. Especially if they can get it to support modern filesystems

>>58986924
microshit already tried to sue them saying they stole stuff from the leaked source which put the whole project on hold for quite a while.

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>>58985927
Why not just use Playonlinux and wine? It just fucking works, i've got office 2010 and Photoshop working flawlessly.

>>58987765
wine and react are tightly related.

>>58987765
Rather than strapping support for Windows things onto another OS, they want to create their own Free and Open NT-alike in the same way Linux created a Free and Open UNIX

>>58987806
well fek, that does sound like a good idea although this will take a good 10 years to come to fruition.

>>58987765
ReactOS uses WINE as its userland and WINE uses parts of ReactOS as well. The projects collaborate to improve compatibility as a whole and to lighten the load on each other. It's also pretty neat having another FOSS operating system especially one that is compatible with such a huge amount of software.

>>58987493
I don't think is fair to compare the development of those communities.
In first place ReactOS was going to be only a Win9x clone, but at some point they wanted to make a NT clone as well, so the other project was scrapped.
Then some fag used Windows code on ReactOS and a shitload of legal problems happened, a lot of devs left and they had to ditch a lot of the advances they had.
Then, after the shitstorm, they decided that the approach they were given to the OS was not the best and they got in contact with WINE devs and rewrite almost everyting they had at that moment, except the kernel and other minor things.
Basically ReactOS, as we now, is a project that started after 2010, so that's the time that we most put in consideration.

https://www.reactos.org/archives/public/ros-dev/2010-January/012709.html

>>58987806
Linux has nothing to do with UNIX, it's just a kernel.

GNU is not a UNIX clone nor is it intended to be one. Stallman only chose to make GNU UNIX-like because the code was available and pretty much every other OS at the time was UNIX, so he would ensure there would be developers and software compatible with GNU from the beggining, but it is not 100 % POSIX compliant, both the community and developers don't care if they break compatibility with other UNIX systems (systemd, GCC, etc.) And it contains a lot of nonstandard software.

ReactOS is more alike to BSD, since BSD is actually an open source UNIX clone.

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>>58986613
THE POOS ARE GETTING WORRIED!

>>58986804
>implying it's not more likely that Microsoft will go bankrupt and will end up releasing their source code

>>58987889
This reeks of revisionism. GNU OS was always intended to be a Unix-alike and run POSIX-compliant warez from the beginning.

It's actually a lot more stable than I remember though my RCT demo causes it crash and hang. I guess magical assembly hacking is too much for it right now

>>58987889
>I want to sound smart so I'm going to argue semantics!

>>58986924

MS already forced a code audit via court order afaik. They didn't find any MS code.

>>58986002
Lmfao no you couldn't have. Alex ionescu is literally one of the best reverse engineers in the world and knows more about NT than most people on the kernel team

>>58985941
screen shots still not supported in this version

>>58985927
They should work on hardware support instead of software support. Make it actually work in something that isn't VirtualBox.

>>58985927
>2017
>reinventing the GNU/Linux

>>58989810
>I didn't read the thread

>>58989810
Bait, ignorant or retarded?

>>58989889
Not either.
There is no need in any other OS than GNU/Linux and BSD families.

>>58990115
So retarded.

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>>58990115

>>58990129
>Duh Windows!
>Duh OS!
Malware-fanboy, try harder.

>>58987765
>playonlinux
>play
CHILDREN

>>58990181
BTW best games native on GNU, install Steam, this it.

Has anoyone tried RDP to a windows machine?

>>58986613
>highly unstable
Still more usable than the original.

>>58987493

Because remaking winshit is an astoundingly retarded idea

>>58990181
Please educate yourself before posting, POL is a front end for wine. https://www.playonlinux.com/en/
>>58990196
>Playing games on linux
I'm sorry but I like to do work on my laptop, not fuck around.

>>58990222
You're a fucking idiot, it was made for research and providing documentation for undocumented winapi calls

will they ever clone it so well that the backdoors and botnet stuff works?

>>58987105
Win2k source code has been available online since at least 2004. Which probably helped them a lot to understand some parts, but of course they can't use any code from there.

>>58990328
No, it did not help them at all. It set them back a lot.

>>58990328
The source code being leaked to the public doesn't help because they cannot use it and people who have viewed it cannot become developers. It's actually a huge hindrance to have someone leak the source code of a project you're trying to reverse engineer. Microsoft used the leak as justification to call for a complete audit of the project and the project had to fire some of their lead devs

>>58990328
Why nobody created an os using that code?

>>58985941
Clearly they do it this way to illustrate that it's running on real hardware.

All these haters complaining about ReactOS.
A lot of normies still use really old legacy software and microsoft fucked then by providing no backwards compatibility whatsoever. There are some old software that runs flawlessly in ReactOS on old computers.

>>58990162
>I don't know what ReactOS is but I hate Windows and I want to seem intelligent to anonymous users

>>58990162
A lot of normies are used to Windows, and that's one of the reasons they don't switch to GNU/Linux. If ReactOS gets to a useable state, there will be literally no reason to use Microsoft Windows anymore.

>>58987105
But reverse engineering is a break of EULA, why did they allow it?

>>58990409
Because it would be illegal. Even if they did make an OS based on it, they wouldn't be able to distribute it.

>>58990409
The leaked code has a proprietary license so it can't be used in free software.

>>58990290
Sounds like a gigantic fucking waste of time :^)

>>58990468
>EULA
>meaning anything outside of US

>>58990468
Reverse engineering is not illegal, EULA don't mean jackshit. The methods you can use to reverse engineer can vary by country though. ReactOS is being built using a "clean room" method which is legal basically everywhere even America. Basically the person who reverses the product cannot be the one to create the new product with clean room re-implementations. It's an entirely new set of code that happens to be functionally equivalent.

>>58990496
Almost like using another kernel written by a college student that barely functions

in my experience, Wine tended to work better than reactOS. What is the point of having broken windows when you can have Linux + slightly less broken Windows.

>>58990344
>No, it did not help them at all. It set them back a lot.
>Also, the 2004 leaked Windows source code[33] was not seen as legal risk for ReactOS, as the trade secret was considered indefensible in court due to broad spread.[34]

>>58990714
If they use it, they don't talk about it. One dev casually said that they did in IRC so ReactOS undid a lot of his changes

>>58990706
because wine is a broken piece of trash software that runs actual stuff like shit, has no performance and is literally useless in the real world

your experience may differ but that only means that you probably only ever used one or two programs with it and were lucky enough that it didn't fuck up your shit

>>58990706
Wine is a series of hacks and only an implementation where the hacks are not possible. ReactOS is an implementation.

>>58990706
right

>>58990777
What cases exist where this is an issue? using windows drivers is the only case I can think of.

Most of Wine is just a recreation of Windows libraries, which in itself is not much of a hack

>>58990753
what software performs poorly on Wine. The only programs I've used through Wine that perform poorly are video games, but that's just because of the design of opengl.

>>58990409
some people have taken the nt4 sourcecode leak and made an extended version of it. totally not legal though.

>>58990811
>only
>games
danke /g/ meme, if you think games are not important you can keep telling that to your echochamber aka /g/ and yourself, but the simple truth is that games are very fucking important and your denial will not change that

What are the benefits over selling your soul to the Russians and get a cheap Windows 10 key?

The iso image you can straight from MS so it won't be compromised.

>>58990895
If you're asking this, ReactOS is not for you

>>58988120
Yes, but it was never meant to be a UNIX clone like BSD is.

>>58990875
>but the simple truth is that games are very fucking important
Sounds like it's not the only thing that is simple here.

Games are not important, they can never be important. They are fun but no one's life depends on high scores. Important things keep the society running, games are free time entertainment. You should know this already.

>>58991116
>entertainment
>things that keep the society running
pick two, Mrs. simpleton

>>58987889
Stallman isn't even a programmer. He a political activist with a computer.

>>58991116
Entertainment is literally what keeps a popular docile

>>58991194
I mean, he was a programmer. I think the only reason he doesn't program is that he doesn't have time anymore. His activism is taking up his entire life.

>>58991194
He wrote GCC and Emacs.

>>58991315
Two programs that were pretty much kept alive by his own activism and cheerleading. True if you think about it.

>have a dozen ancient PCs stashed at work
>Tualatin CPUs, 512 MB RAM
>not allowed to access internet since XP is deprecated and antivirus no longer works

>All of the hardware is super fucking green according to ReactOS wiki

Should I try it? Or any kind of web browsing is futile with that little RAM?

>>58991528
Add more ram and use a RAM-friendly (like firefox) browser, and you are golden.

>>58991528
It probably won't work but you could always try. Hardware support is very limited.

>>58991592
>Add more ram
I can't, SDRAM sticks larger than 256MB are ultra rare, and even if I found some, i815 doesn't support more than 512MB for some gay reason.

>use a RAM-friendly (like firefox) browser
That's a good joke

>>58987765
>Playonlinux
Read that as Pay on linux

>>58991528
It's not going to work well. ReactOS is very buggy. You're better off installing gentoo or using windows xp without internet

>>58991596
>Hardware support is very limited

As I've said, I checked the wiki and it's all green. All 3 flavors of graphics cards I have (RageII+, Rage128, G400) are even reported to work with native drivers.

Can ReactOS access shared folders on a Win server?

>>58991702
Do it!

>>58991702
Do it. Post pics of the process. I've never seen ReactOS run on hardware.

>>58991754
>>58991795
k, will try next week

>>58991844
I'll be looking for your thread. Nice dubs.

ftw he based it off windows server 2k and not xp

why even try?

heres a better selection
in descending order
Gnu/Linux
Bsd/Unix's
Freedos

>>58991913
None of those can run Windows applications natively. And while the current version imitates Windows Server 2003, once they have a complete reimplementation of the NT architecture, it won't take a great deal of extra work to make it imitate XP or 7 or whatever.

>>58991913
Current target is server 2003 because it's NT5 based like windows 2000 and XP but even newer. They're not against adding NT6 stuff though

>>58991943
I'm pretty sure more Windows software can currently run on Wine than on ReactOS.

>>58992039
Yeah but that doesn't actually give you a Windows operating system, if that's what you want.

>>58992067
Well, neither does ReactOS in its current state. It looks only barely more "native" than a Windows-like gnome/xfce theme.

>>58992039
There probably is. ReactOS has their own versions of certain system level libraries, their libraries are meant to more closely follow windows in design but they're not as further along as WINE's

>>58992067
idk why someone doesn't get windows subsystem for linux running on winpe 10 and make a minimal distro out of it, it'd be illegal but neat

>>58992092
???? It's a reimplementation of the entire NT kernel, it isn't like Linux at all

>>58992092
No, not in it's current state, but the purpose of the project is to eventually create a functionally identical Windows clone, whereas Wine is just a compatibility layer.

>>58992129
>Linux+Wine+Windows-like theme
>Windows software looks native
>If you dig a bit deeper in the system it's all different

>ReactOS
>Windows software looks native
>If you dig a bit deeper in the system it's all broken

>>58992186
>>If you dig a bit deeper in the system it's all broken
So just like regular Windows?

>>58992186
>>If you dig a bit deeper in the system it's all broken
That's normal.

>>58992130
The problem is that by the time they make a semi-functioning NT5 clone, there will be no compatible hardware or software left worth using.

Hell, my Tualatin PCs look like the perfect match for it, and they're 15-year-old garbage with busted caps that would've been thrown away a long time ago in any civilized country.

>>58990737
>One dev casually said that they did in IRC so ReactOS undid a lot of his changes

Do you have a link to a source/more info about this? I can't find any references to this event.

>>58986338
>>58986372
Unlike Windows XP, someone is supporting this for free. Windows XP is gets support but only for an exorbitant price. The open-sourced nature of ReactOS is enticing as well.

>>58992273
I would not use a mobo with busted caps.

>>58991373
> his program was kept alive because of his marketing
Same with every other program anon

>>58986398
It's still very alpha but it is potentially faster since it's a complete rewrite of Windows today, not Windows XP or a particular version. So the file systems, c compiler, etc would be significantly faster

>>58985927
Does this even have drivers? At least the basic ones like Ethernet (which lack on actual windows).

>>58992769
It has them, but they don't work.

>>58992778
Excellent OS. I'd rather buy another monitor and get passthrough working.

>>58990422
In the era of Photoshop and image manipulation it doesn't prove anything

>>58992824
You don't even have to go that far.
Could just make an ordinary screenshot and show that on the screen.
Or run it in a VM in fullscreen.

Any target year to release a beta version?

How long do they plan to last before making an early beta version?

Also, how big is the team?

>>58992923
>
ReactOS has been in alpha for about 18 years.

>>58992923
>Any target year to release a beta version?
2021.
>How long do they plan to last before making an early beta version?
A little less than a decade.
>Also, how big is the team?
20 men

>>58992942
It has been exponential growth?

do they have a roadmap?

>>58992967
It's doubtful they'll get anywhere soon. The best thing you can do is try to use their OS and give them feature requests, report bugs and/or help them code while also shilling it everywhere you go.

>>58985927
>!!!

>>58990875
I didn't say that games are not important. I said that games perform poorly because of the differences in design between DX9 and OpenGL. That has nothing to do with Wine. If you did a shit port of the game, you'd get almost the same results.

>>58985927
Why do the goddamn-Germans love putting so fucking-many hyphens in their-sentences

Doesn't office 2013 work under Wine 2.0?

Can REactOS play hentai games with direct draw?

>>58987493
UNIX = White box

Windows = Black box

>>58987493
UNIX is a 40+ year old standard that is completely open, peer reviewed, and hasn't changed too much over the years.

Windows is a proprietary clusterfuck that treats every attempt to learn about its innards as an IP violation and changes those innards with every release.

Imagine which one is easier to build off of.

>>58990409
>not knowing about OpenNT
You are really late to the party.

How many of them will suicide when microsoft just open sources windows and starts getting paid for support like red hat?

>>58995080
>open source
open source is trash. free licensed open source is the only way windows could be good

>>58987765
This looks nice. How do?

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>>58990811
I tried to get Microsoft Visio 2016 running in Wine a few weeks ago and it was impossible couldn't even get the online installer to run.

>>58995876
does it run in ReactOS? new MIcrosoft stuff tends not to run well on Wine for whatever rason.

regardless, stop being a cuck and use some free licensed equivalent.

>>58995876
I don't think you will have luck at installing/using software that was made exclusively for Windows 7 and posterior versions.

>>58991116
At some point doom had more installs than windows, to deny gaming's impact is a mistake.

>>58996005
>does it run in ReactOS?

IIRC Office 16 cannot run on NT5 at all.

>>58995876
Wine 2.0 is the version that bring support for Microsoft Office 2013, it's very normal that Office 2016 won't work (yet)

>>58986449
Has a package manager.
You can install one(nuget or something) yourself, anyhow.

>>58987765
>flawlessly.


You mean, it opens before it becomes extremely slow and then crashes.

>>58986460
>TinyXP
How's this different from MicroXP
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4254053/MicroXP_v0.82_-_eXPerience
Also is this it?
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4206516/TinyXP_Rev09_-_eXPerience

ReactOS can print now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1u4Q4LIP8s

>>58994233

Office 2010 works on Wine because NTLM support is somewhat present, but in a hackish way.

ReactOS contracted developer to make Word 2010 work will implement that properly.

Details - https://www.reactos.org/blogs/word-2010-support-weekly-report-part4-update-authentication-failed

>>59000170
Does this work in Windows 7?

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Where do you get WinXP these days?
I've got Thinkpad T60 recently, and the only thing that run on it is WinXP.

I've found PCRiver, is it legit?

>>59000254
No idea.
Try and report back to use.
I don't have Windows installed.

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>>59000170

>>58999923
Nope, office 2010 has never crashed, photoshop can get glitchy but never bad enough that you can't save and reoopen.

>>58989800
Implying that it works in VirtualBox.

Is it open source?

>>58986002
Wanna know how I know you're autistic

>>59000526
Yes. That's the main idea. Open source'd windows compatible system.

>>58985927
>still not even intel video support
Come on, it can't be that hard to write a basic 2D driver when the linux ones are open source

>>58994225
We are kind of autistic about them because words get different meanings when they are improperly used
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leerzeichen_in_Komposita
http://deppenleerzeichen.de

>goes through these lenghts
>to run 10 years old software
typical linux user?

>>58985941
Hey how dare you question the intelligence of russian devs

>>58985951
Office 2010, chrome, and Java. Maybe java works, but work still going on for 2010 and chrome.

>>59001120
Some need old software, because there's no alternative.
I work in a hospital where the ICU monitoring system only work with WinXP because the drivers for the monitors and sensors only compatible with it.

>>58986547
Easier to use less memory when tons of shit isn't implemented yet.

>>58985927
enjoying having your pussy destroyed by MS

>>58986547
uefi-support, dx12 and ability to run steam - when?

>>58986804
Wine is a super lazy implementation where one dll is supposed to represent every version of Windows and doesn't care about the differences between versions. ReactOS will at least solve that problem by implementing the same stuff Windows uses to redirect 32 bit programs to the appropriate system files on 64 bit and expand the file redirection to include specific versions of Windows DLLs.

>>58986924
By the time ReactOS is stable, all of Microsoft patents will have expired.

React OS is cute but the idea that some companies or governments want to use it to replace Windows is comical. If they do not want to rely on Microsoft, the reasonable thing to do is to move to web applications. You can host those on Linux or BSD boxes and then have simple thin clients for the users. The clients could be running Windows too, who cares.

>>58987493
Unix, small, ancient, and universally understood. Windows, includes a guide and modern features needed by the average person making it hundreds of times larger and better than linux/unix

>>58985927
What is the point of making an open source OS to run closed source software? No, seriously, I don't get it. Why aren't they working on improving wine? It seems like it would be more efficient.

>>59001027
Linux drivers are different than windowsNT ones. It's not as simple as converting a jpg to png.

>>58991620
>Ultra rare
I had no problems finding 512 sticks for my imac

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>>59001423
as much as /g/ hates web dev this is exactly true in the corporate world

t. a longtime java dev currently making a truckload rewriting some company's ancient Delphi shit as web apps

>>59001437
Shit don't go forward because it was taken by communists, now UNIX is filled with communist ideas that will never work, those fuckers must make a fucking OS wich is free then sell their apps for it. It is not that hard, jesus.

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>>59001437
>larger
>and better

spotted the guy who has never programmed!

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>>58985927

Why devs keep wasting time on this garbage? Why not go find some decent project to work on?

>>58995080
Linux market share still < 2% and big places like Munich decide to dump it after a while of use because it's inferior. Open sourcing software is only done once it's a certified commercial failure. Not going to happen to Windows any time soon. I think commercial Unix is still limping along as well, but with Linux around there's no reason to open source it.

>>59002174
Lets see the code then for implementing more features without making the executable bigger. Oh wait, that doesn't exist because you've never programmed before and Linux is still a random pile of garbage while Windows is bigger and better because it implements the entire GUI and didn't simply congeal in a gutter somewhere using hundreds of other pieces of software to pretend it has a decent GUI.

>>59000282
You can still download Windows POSReady 2009 directly from Microsoft site. It's basically Windows XP SP3 with another theme.
The ISO there has an expiration of 180 days, but I remember there was a serial key that validates it forever, but I don't remember what it was.

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>>59002174

>>59001423
>web applications
Web "apps" are the ultimate botnet. Besides not all software need to be online.

>>59002260
Nice try, Microsoft.

>>59002581
Windows is massive when it doesn't need to be.

Look at OpenBSD, small code base compared to gnu/linux, less "features" as those can easily be emulated with the tools already available.

GUI has always and always will be a mess, try programming using one in C... it's painful right? Also the GUI problem for linux has mainly to do with X supporting multiple OSes and being quite old with many of hacks to make modern things work. Wayland seems to be looking to replace X but has pissed off other OSes so it's going to be a while, Mir is an attempt to move away from X similar to how Apple did.

>>59002018
That's obvious, but the developers can understand how the driver works and write one for reactos with the knowledge

>>58991116
>Games aren't important
>No one's life depends on high scores
Tell that to programmers, 3D artists, Concept artists, marketing managers, etc.

>>58991528
It's probably not good enough to be a daily driver, but why not do it to do some testing and support the project?

>>59002277
>big places like Munich decide to dump it after a while of use because it's inferior
No, Munich has not dropped it yet. And the decision to drop is came from corrupt politicians who are in bed with Microsoft.

>>59001951
They are. ReactOS and WINE share resources. The better ReactOS gets, the better WINE gets.

>>59001951
ReactOS and WINE both share code back and forth.

ReactOS' userland is mostly WINE. The ReactOS devs also share their OS level stuff with WINE devs

>>59002277
><2% market share
>Munich dumped them because it's inferior
You can't be THIS retarded.

>>59003152
>Windows POSReady
>POS

>>58985927
wow it finally arrived where vista left off. year of the linux desktop amirite guys

Wont run on any of my three machines :(

>>58986547
>63 MB of RAM
wew

>>59003288
That's like saying Yo-yos are important for human civilization because one guy decided to sell them at a street corner. The actual product is still non-vital. Someone making money off it doesn't change that. They could be doing something else instead and human race wouldn't stop existing because of that. First you need to ensure survival, then you need to entertain yourself to have a fun life. No entertainment reaches the first and more important category, survival.

>>59004372
You quoted the wrong post.

>>59003744
It isn't linux you fucking retard. Get the fuck out.

>>59002277
>big places like Munich decide to dump it after a while of use because it's inferior.
Wasn't it because instead of using a well made, constantly updated distro they decided to cobble their own together and it ended up running like shit?

>>59001367
Literally never. This is a meme hobby project and will never ever become an actually usable OS.

>>59004654
He didn't

>>59001321
> Hospital software
Yeah, plus they're certified. I wouldn't even begin to imagine how much it would cost to certify a monster like ReactOS at health services standards...

I don't see the point of this. It's ridiculously easy to pirate Windows nowadays

>>59004732
Support from actual users was also a big part of the decision I think. Windows is sold with support from highly trained tards which know every answer to every problems from procedurally generated decision trees they almost memorized from seeing these unfixed problems every single day.

Using software is hard, and it should stay that way to make most profit where it counts : in support.

>>59005580
>Using software is hard, and it should stay that way to make most profit where it counts : in support.
That is why Apple software got so popular. It just werkz. It's not hard to use, you don't need to contract suppport.

>>59003728
haha so funny XD

>>59005663
That's why it's sold a gazillion dollars too.

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>>58985927
Uh, guys...

>>59006514
Devs probably googled or whatever the name of their OS and this thread turned up because the name is in the url.

>>59006514
Can anyone translate this?

>>59004629
For the people who make their money providing entertainment, entertainment IS their survival. Nice narrow perspective there, anon.

>>58990482
>pirates
>caring
It's a valid question why there isn't a free as in fuck you operating system based on the NT kernel

>>58991116
>They are fun but no one's life depends on high scores
I'd bet six bucks Forsen or Summit or any cancer streamer makes more money than you.

>>59004629
>important for human civilization
Nobody gives a shit, Nietzsche

>>59009003
Highly illegal. Not just simply distributing software without paying it's straight up distributing trade secrets and possibly violating US export sanctions.

>>59009125
What part of that does cracking Denuvo not fall under? Pirates don't care.

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>>58985927
Why can't we turn this into some tools or something for GNU/Linux and make stuff like Ubuntu and Debian partially compatible with Windows software? Why is someone not doing this?

>>59009157
No one cares about some dumb DRM thing for video games. At worst it's a DMCA violation which doesn't apply outside the US.

>>59009174
that's called WINE, and iirc they've cooperated in the past

>>59009224
So we basically have WINE as an OS? Seems pretty stupid.

>>59009292
Not just wine, its suposed to be libre windows from scratch

>>59009292
Except you can't install drivers on WINE.

>>58987806
rather than making a whole OS, why don't all the linux people get together and make one god damn system that actually functions?

>>58985927
ok so it...
>doesn't run on anything
>doesn't accomplish anything
>doesn't provide the user with any valid reason to be used
>doesn't offer anything over any other free OS
>doesn't support the most basic features available
>doesn't, in any way, outdo the OS it's targeted at replacing/outdoing
>doesn't plan plan to correct any of these flaw

why on earth is anyone even considering this?

>>59010810
>>doesn't run on anything
Requires some tweaking
>>doesn't accomplish anything
>>doesn't provide the user with any valid reason to be used
It will give end users freedom wihout compromising their productivity
>>doesn't offer anything over any other free OS
It will run Windows programs natively and give the same windows user experience
>>doesn't support the most basic features available
It supports the basics, advanced stuff is where the problems are and also the ones that are the most required
>>doesn't, in any way, outdo the OS it's targeted at replacing/outdoing
It will do if the project keeps advancing, it will allow users to do stuff windows doesn't let them do like using any file system
>>doesn't plan plan to correct any of these flaw
They did patch some security holes

>>59003513
>>59001951
I didn't know this but if ReactOS has the same compatibility as Wine, it makes it even more pointless. The two main reasons to use a FLOSS system are freedom and the convenience of allowing anyone to check and fix the code. Both of which are invalidated by running mostly proprietary applications. I still believe the manpower used to create ReactOS would be put to better use fixing wine.

>>59012154
But for lots of people propietarian software is the one that works best for them.

>>59004848
>>59001367
Uefi does not work at the moment but might in 1.0 of 0.5.0

Dx12 depends on the wine project

Steam is available to download ,install ,use

Dome of the working games are doom 3 ,skyrim and anything using opengl

>>58985927

why is this any better than wine on linux? WHY?

>>58990777
>Wine is a series of hacks and only an implementation where the hacks are not possible. ReactOS is an implementation.
this.
They actually made a small blog on how they made office to work.
It seems the main headache was because wine used some weird ass hacks that bypassed user profiles, so the whole thing is held together by ducktape.

>>58991116
>high scores
hello, grandpa

>>58991116
Congrats, you triggered /v/

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Was trying to build a laptop for tuning cars without digging up an XP license. Can't run Linux since the software wants direct control over low level hardware. Can't run anything newer than XP since the software won't run. Installed 0.4.3 on a Toughbook CF-27 (P2 @300MHz) without many problems. It's a lot further along than last time I looked. Boots extremely quickly. Still needs to go just a little more for it to be useful to me. Haven't tried 0.4.4 yet.

0.4.3 needed more out-of-box drivers or compatibility shims:
- Default fallback graphics driver is very slow. Installing the old W98 drivers for the Neomagic chipset makes things fast, but corrupts the mouse cursor and locks the machine when trying to change the resolution.
- USB 1.1 insert/remove events seem to be dropped. Sometimes rebooting with the device in will make it visible in the device manager. USB Mass storage driver seems missing. Couldn't make USB ethernet (pegasus) work either.
- Couldn't get Cardbus / PCMCIA to work, so none of my cards were usable. The old W98 drivers for the Ricoh chipset look like they just describe extensions of the PCI bus. Too bad this isn't autodiscovered at install time.
- Driver uninstall procedure is broken. Both disabling and deleting items from the device manager do nothing.

>>58987889
You would've sounded less autistic if you just posted the GNU+Linux pasta.

>>58990753
>>58990777
>>58990792
>>58990811

ReactOS uses Wine for the userland, faggots.

>>58985927
What about .Net? Does it support .Net?
What about powershell?

They get .Net and powershell going and ReactOS could be really great.

>>59014265
It's currently weaker than XP, but has a few perks. It will get powershell in 20 years at this pace. It's trying to be a FOSS windows, which isn't that easy when only a few people are involved in the project and Microsoft breathing down your neck just waiting to sue. The best thing you can do is donate to their team.

>>59009029
And I am sure they cannot do any other job that gets them money. Their life does not depend on it.

>>59015102
And for every successful streamer, there's 2,000 other streamers that didn't make it and went broke trying.

>>58986613
in other words, it really is old Windows.

>>59010660
I don't have a single problem running Debian, and I'm pretty stupid. I feel sorry for you if you can't even get a Linux-based OS to function.

>>59015238
It might not be his fault.

There's a lot of hardware out there that doesn't always play nice with the default distros.
Sometimes it can be a real bitch to find the kernel module that will actually drive your shit without error, and compiling said modules isn't always exactly straight-forward. Especially when the documentation is out-dated or incorrect. And even more so when the docs are bad AND there's outside dependencies.

And even when you do finally get your system all nice and stable, there's still limitations and/or quirks.

There's also a lot of applications out there that haven't been ported to linux, that he may require for his job. Like 'Rohde & Schwarz CMWrun'.

Linux isn't for everyone. And it isn't complete/perfect.

Just because you don't have any problems, doesn't mean linux is entirely problem-free.

doees it not support multicore? i tried in a vm but it woudlnt work

>>58985927
But can it play my gaymes?

>>59015474
it likes core duos that much i know

>>59011173

>give freedom
No, it won't, idiot. You will still use proprietary Adobe programs on it. Nothing changes, except that you're using another tool in your toolbelt, which is very limited in its use.
I don't advocate the use of disgusting Wine, but doing it that way is at least a million times more efficient and less retarded.

>>59014265
Those are both open source now. It won't be to hard to get them working once underlying support is in place.

>>59014076
Report those issues upstream.

>>59015930
>Report those issues upstream.
He installed a win 98 driver on a 2003 server system. A. He's lying. B. 98 is dos based while 2003 is nt based, would never work in the first place.

>>59012531
Wine doesn't differentiate between versions of Windows, and because it doesn't it will only ever support the most popular applications while screwing over the odd ones.

Office 2007 has been compatible under WINE for 8 years or so.

This is a cruel joke.

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>>58985927
>tfw got interested in this years ago
>followed it for a few years, realized that it's just not getting done and abandoned it
>if i download it now, it will still be broken on basic level
>desktop computing will be dead by the time it gets close to 1.0

>>59001181
>Hey how dare you question the intelligence of russian devs
>'hey goys, look at me, i'm up with the times, i'm bashing everything russian xDDD'
don't bash open-source software faggot

>>59017324
Not this guy, but I actually am from Russia, and there is lot of stupidity here - both among common people, and government. Did you know that Dailymotion recently got banned countrywide because some people posted there episodes of some shitty TV series created by a local channel? Yes, that's how retarded it gets out here

>>58986002
CIA niggers would have shut you down.

>>59017102
because WINE used a hack to bypass some checks.
You can't have that if you want it to be 100% compadible

>>59017359
>'waa but there's stupid shit in my country!!'
there's stupid shit in every country, you dumbass russian

>>59017083
WINE identifies itself as Windows XP, but you could change that.

>>58985927
ReactOS is not worth spit

>>59014076
>Haven't tried 0.4.4 yet
If you are going to install the 0.4.4 version, then install the FOSDEM variant. It's basically the same version but with some tweaks.

>>59015238
>>59015436
I don't have any issues running linux. I'm just saying think how much more viable an option linux would be if instead of making new distros everytime you take issue with some other distro, everyone worked together on one product.

>>59014158
>userland
Most people on /g/ don't know the difference between user space and kernel space.

>>59014158
No, they are right. WINE is full of hacks and while ReactOS is using some code from it, is far from being just a WINE OS.

>>58986002
riiiiiiight

>>59017522
That doesn't change how it handles the actual programs running, so you're still screwed if the Wine developers decision was to make the more popular software work at the expense of the one you need.

>>59001336
True but standard Windows doesn't even give you the option of turning off the stuff you don't need, it's full of poorly documented load-bearing bloat.

>>59001385
Does ReactOS include (or plan to include) ntdvm and the 16-bit Windows API? Because those were supported up to XP at least, but dropped in 64-bit Windows 7 and onwards, but Wine still does support them.

>>59001437
The "guide" doesn't contain any useful information on the system's internals. It's just stuff like "how to plug in your speakers", you can read the entire thing without hearing any mention of a kernel. It's all about the UI end of things, nothing to help you understand how the OS actually works under the hood. Whereas the Unix source code was published back in the 1970s or 1980s, so it was much easier to understand - and it was made for programmers, who want to know how the system actually works. Not to mention, with the early source code being available, commercial Unixes had to prove they were better than early versions of Research Unix, otherwise people would just end up reimplementing it for themselves (which is exactly what Linux and the MINIX guy ended up doing). Imagine if the source for XP, 2000 or even 98 were available to the public - Microsoft would have a very hard time selling modern Windows, it might be "better", but not enough to be worth the price. Their business strategy DEPENDS on being able to prevent people from getting their hands on old versions and being able to understand them.

>>59020106
If wine supports it then Ros will support it
In theory OS/2 programs could run in Ros with an specialized api

>>59001951
Wine's already fairly well developed, it would probably take more effort to get a meaningful improvement in Wine that to get a minimally-functional Windows-compatible OS. And a lot of software people run on Windows IS free software, that's the whole point of free software actually, you don't have to go without it just because the developers didn't have your OS in mind. ReactOS basically exists so that people who prefer the Windows architecture can keep using that without sacrificing freedom.

>>59002277
>Munich decide to dump it after a while of use because it's inferior.
That's literally because Microsoft paid them to switch back.

>>59002581
Lel, most Linux utilities have more features than the entire Windows OS. The Windows mentality is constrained by the assumption that every option must be accessible through the GUI, when the command line is much more expressive. You'd need like 20 screens full of check boxes to provide the GUI equivalent of all the switches for GCC.

>>59004848
>This is a meme hobby project and will never ever become an actually usable OS.
Yeah that's what they said about Linux back in the 90s.

>>59010810
It's still in alpha, so obviously a lot of functionality would be missing. But it does offer the ability to use Windows applications completely natively, something that no Linux distro can offer.

>>59020106
>ntdvm and the 16-bit Windows API?
Yeah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Su1wMx5HJA

> ReactOS is primarily written in C, with some elements, such as ReactOS Explorer and the sound stack, written in C++.

That's disappointing.
Is there any plans to keep everything in C for the future?

>>59021350
Probably not

I think they're trying to copy the languages microshaft use

>>59021350
the explorer is ++ because its literally explorer++, maybe they plan to make one of their own in the future

>>59021350
They need to implement C++ for microshaft compatible software so why not use it?

>>59021500
>the explorer is ++ because its literally explorer++
Uhhh what? They absolutely do not use explorer++ in ReactOS...
https://www.reactos.org/wiki/ReactOS_Explorer
http://code.reactos.org/changelog/reactos/trunk/reactos/base/shell/explorer

Do you have anything else retarded to say?

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>>58985927
This release is working great!

>>59021695
Holy fuck that font is horrendous.

>>59021578
i said that based on
>https://www.reactos.org/gallery
sorry i guess

>>59022060
Yeah I don't know why everything is bold

But at least it's not bsoding when I install addons with firefox :^)

>>59022109

Probably need to install Microsoft's copyrighted fonts.

>>59022060
since it's firefox, you can simply override the fonts in the settings.

>>59022060
they look fine to me 2bh

>>59020241
GCC isn't part of the operating system. Also any system that requires use of the command line requires training people on something that isn't actually their job and therefore a waste of time and money.

>>59021695
>>59022060
Why don't they just use freetype from linux?

>>59023083
They do.
https://www.reactos.org/wiki/Third_party_libraries
I don't know why it looks so bad.

>>59021695
>Firefox
I think Pale Moon still has support for it.