why did it fail?

>>58983047

They gave SJWs an inch.

>>58983047
they spent time and money on firefox OS

>>58983047
They started to force UI changes on us. From this point on it started to get harder and harder to make firefox look the way the consumer wanted. At the end of the year it will look just like all the other browsers.

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/29/mozilla-introduces-the-most-customizable-firefox-ever-with-an-elegant-new-design/

>>58983047
they had some problems on google mainstream website's now normie's think firefox is shit.

i still use firefox. it works for me

>>58983062
What the fuck were they thinking

If microsoft can't gain a foothold in mobile then it's a lost battle especially if your OS has no benefit over android with firefox installed

The Chromium project happened. Took a little while for the bugs to work out of it, but in today's bloated web development industry, it's hard to compete with a Javascript engine that runs practically at the speed of compiled C++.

>>58983053
Should have given them six.

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>>58983347

>>58983223
Mostly this, there team leads decided to copy Chrome feature for feature rather than just make improvements to Firefox. They should have added a "chromify it up" toggle in the settings menu or something instead of pushing it in the default builds.

T H U N D E R B I R D

Slow as shit compared to Chrome.

Speed is all the masses care about.

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>>58983047
they kept shoving shit down its throat until it became a bloated pile of shit, its no longer the slender sleek fox it started out to be,

use palemoon if you want something like what firefox used to be before it turned to a bloated pile of shit,

that, and when they fucked up the toolbar address bar was the last straw for me so i dumped firefox about 6 or 7 years ago

>>58983047
It didn't

Aggressive google marketing.

>>58983047
Fail? it still has a way bigger market share than when I started using it in the first place.

It's a matter of principle. Even if it is becoming a slightly worse browser compared to the competition, it still fulfills any need I have, and it actually cares about the open web.

>>58983047
SJWs

>>58983053
This.

They lost all their actual talent because of this, and they have been suiciding ever since. For example, the one thing that still makes them stand out is the level of customization users have.

So what is Mozilla doing? Leveraging that and using it as a major selling point? Nope, they are ripping it out by its roots and becoming a crappy chrome knock off instead.

>>58983047
Rust and Servo can still save it.

>>58983047
Speak ding 10k+ to remove master/slave

>>58987577
Couldn't say it better myself

>>58983286
Same.
Although the past week it's been playing up quite badly.
So much lag and freezing recently.

What are your thoughts about FF 51?

for those who dont know what happened, basically this:

>original firefox creator and CTO of mozilla, also inventer of Javascript
>has a view on social issues just like everyone else does
>happens to be against gay marriage
>SJW's, feminists, and other left wing nut jobs just can't accept the fact that someone disagrees with them
>he constantly got harassed and was literally forced to resign himself

That's why Mozilla is such a shit hole now. I mean, just go to mozilla's website. Looks like a donation page for starving children in Africa.

>>58989005
Adding to that... Brendan Eich is now founder/CEO on the browser Brave https://brave.com/.

It is blink/chromium based, but I think they are gonna make it their own with time.

>>58989005
Making JavaScript should be his greatest shame, not achievement.

>>58989172
Well the reason they made javascript was important (to offload server workload to clients), but the end result was just fucking awful.

>>58989222
He slapped it together in one week and called it JavaScript to ride off javas name.

>>58989252
How fitting that the two biggest crimes against programming are named Java.

>>58989005
why did nobody attack him previously for being right wing? Its because its never SJWs (mostly just an internet meme) its the Anti-SJWs getting up on their soapbox spouting off that makes them destroy themselves.

nobody ever asked this guys opinion.

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>>58983047
Memory leaks

Memory leaks everywhere

>>58989005
having an ~opinion~ and donating money to organizations that aim to take away rights from groups of people are two different things, but whatever fits your agenda my man

>>58989005
Ahem, it's spelled "Moli//a" now. Respect the browser's expression and check your privilege.

Works on my machine.

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mfw trying to import data into firefox via "import data from another browser" and it just freezes for an hour

>>58989468
>donating money to organizations that aim to take away rights from groups of people
Source on which organizations?

>>58989468
At least we can agree that voting for gun grabbers is not a valid opinion.

>>58989554
https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/05/faq-on-ceo-resignation/

>>58989468
>are two different things
No, they're not. Unless he was donating company funds, which he was not, there is no issue.

>>58989623
people perceived it as an issue, so there was an issue.

>>58989613
I don't think I see what you're referring to. It seems like you're grasping a bit.

>>58989657
Business, technology and people always have been and always will be connected with politics.

>>58989738
>2012: The Los Angeles Times reported that Brendan made a political contribution in 2008 to California Proposition 8
>Prop 8, officially titled Proposition 8 - Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry, was a statewide ballot proposition in California.
You're right, it was a proposition, not an organization, my bad.

>>58989468
>>58989613
Even regardless of politics, the browser's still gone to shit in recent years.

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>>58983047
Pic related happened

>>58989446

gee idk? because they didn't know? the reason he bombarded was because he publicly announced the thousand dollar donation on his twitter. Shit hit the fan. And it IS the SJW's because if they minded their own damn business and realized not.every.one.supports.the.things.they.do, they would have just ignored it and nobody would have cared.

I use firefox because I am not a fascist

Extremely slow and bloated.

>>58990494
maybe upgrade your toaster?

>>58990445

to me its common sense. If you have an interest whether it's a hobby, sexual orientation, etc and youre in the minority of that interest, wouldn't it be best to just keep it to yourself and not turn into authoritarians? straights outnumber gays easily

>>58990502
i5 and 8 gb of RAM. Chrome is fast as hell on it.

>>58990529
FF works for me

>>58990480
See >>58983053

>>58990536
but not for the world. being better than IE is the only reason they existed, when actual competition came around they failed to try hard enough to stay in the game

>>58990586
still has the best addons

>>58990586
I dislike the way bookmarks works on chrome. If I wanna drag a link from my tabs to bookmark it, it just opens a new window. That's pretty retarded. Unlike FF where it actually lets you bookmark by dragging a tab.

>>58989091
Trying this now. Seems pretty good.

>>58983047
The little money was put in SJW employees instead of coding.
Coding was expected to be done by neckbeards who have nothing better to do and for FREE.

Going from Firefox to Chrome in 2017 feels like a going from IE6 to Firefox in 2007. It's a world of difference.

>>58990508
>just keep it to yourself
easy if it doesn't negatively impact your life, but laws have been actively oppressing gays forever, because the bible told them to

just one example that changed for me this year: i went from getting 2.5k back on taxes to 8k by being (finally) allowed to legally marry. that type of bullshit is what forces activism.

and the retards who get married 3 times, like the current president who has children with 3 different mothers, had more rights than I did, and got more benefits, and didn't have to get special forms to have visitation in hospitals.

so if you're in the MAJORITY, how about not actively fucking over the people in the minority before you get angry at them for making noise.

>>58990689
Yea, well chrome has a huge budget and is behind HTML5 and webm and many other things.

>>58990704

>because the bible told them to

yea so? i'd say the 10 commandments are bretty good ones. You're trying to say "this person cant have his/her beliefs/views, but we can". Not even from a religious perspective, youre being unconstitutional.

this type of illogical nonsense is what drove the dem party into the ground.

>>58983047

I still use it but now that /g/ says it has failed what should I be using instead?

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>trying to get people you don't agree with fired because their private political donation was leaked
People don't hate you because you're gay. They hate you because you're a faggot.

>>58990594
>still has the best addons
*had ;)

>>58990748
Not that guy but that's not what he's saying at all. No one has ever said you couldn't believe in the Bible and live your life in accordance to Biblical scripture but the US Constitution says you can't force others to live by that same code.

What drove the Democrat Party into the ground is that they didn't realize that half of the US believe that there's someone out to get them and they're either rich or a minority and if we could only get rid of those people they'd be better off.

>>58990918

lmao

oh ok, Hitler.

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So is this any good?

>>58990704
>and the retards who get married 3 times, like the current president who has children with 3 different mothers, had more rights than I did, and got more benefits, and didn't have to get special forms to have visitation in hospitals.
Nobody is stopping you from marrying women to receive such benefits, but that is off-topic.
If you want a lengthy discussion on this, >>>/pol/.

>>58983047
There won't be another Browser-war, it's all settled by now. Please stop those threads.

Still best browser for me.

I still use firefox and have stuff like classic theme restorer and it works and looks just fine. I have no reason to change.

The bastards are killing Classic Theme Restorer with the move to "webextension" addons.

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>>58983047
Uses 200MB~ of RAM with only one tab open and AdBlock. Easily goes up to 2GB of RAM used with maybe 30-40 tabs, and then crashes.

No true Noscript alternative on Chrome, so I'm sticking with Firefox.

>>58983223
This is what happens when you hire faggots, women and Muslims for diversity instead of prioritizing talent.

>>58989446
Fuck off with your obscure gender identity, you're a stain on society and everyone who isn't mentally ill like yourself knows this

>>58983223

I use classic theme restorer and that solves said problem. Still a shit company though.

>>58992617
Mine uses 800MB with 100 tabs open, whatcha talking about?
That's with about 10 addons.

>>58983047
Lots of reasons.

>copied Chrome's UI/UX instead of actually building something unique
>still no multiprocess sandboxing after almost 10 years of Chrome having it
>shit management that's focused more on good press than a good product
>most of the developers that originally made Firefox great have moved on to other things
>coasted on their own success for years until Chrome came up from behind and fucked them raw

Also, this is the 1,000,000,000th time I've seen this thread. Can we agree on a reason and be done with this topic?

>>58994607
Fuck off with your microaggressions

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How the fuck are people having so much trouble with a browser?

>>58983047
cuz it's fucking ugly and all the themes for it are fucking ugly

why is free as in freedom software made by autistic retards who can't design an interface?

too much bullshits that you need to turn off via. about:config.

more importantly, I still don't know whether the firefox in the logo is male or female?

>>58995178
severe autism

Feature creep, and people endlessly defend each stupid little thing they add no matter how much it adds to the bloat. Nobody in the Mozilla Foundation has the balls to say "enough is enough". Ultimately FF needs to be forked again, just like it was a fork from Netscape Communicator in the beginning.

>>58983047
Because its bloated, slow and still does not have a proper multithreading implementation when using addons.
The only thing that keeps me using this over chrome/vivaldi/others is that I can open more than 20 tabs because I can scroll through the tab bar on top.

Works 4 me

>>58993555
Is there one for pale meme?

>>58995715

chromium here, you can scroll through the tabs as well

>>58990658
Its the best web browser for mobile

Copying Chrome in all of the wrong ways.

>>58989091
>It is blink/chromium based, but I think they are gonna make it their own with time.
They won't. Opera Software said that they would bring back the features from Opera 12 and they never did. Brave will always be "Chrome but shittier."

>>58991007
No.

>>58996233
What did they copy from Chrome?

>>58986236
This. Google took advantage of the anti sjw hysteria and undermined them. Brilliant. All hail the botnet.

So, I was thinking about Mozilla and Firefox earlier.
All of their social media is Vivaldi, Buzzfeed & MTV tier political garbage
But here is the catch though
How much of the company and it's software do the edgy and hip marketing team employees represent?
Do these social justice values reflect or affect the software in any way?
Is the future or Firefox going to be skewed into a SJW shitfest or has Mozilla always had these fashionable nu-male values?

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>>58995213
Chrome is an interface abortion too. Firefox's trick is that you can change the interface into something reasonable.

>>58989657
Wrong. They people complaining were not important. Listening to them created a non-issue and killed FF in the process.

>>58989657
The people who perceived it as an issue are the type of obnoxious social justice cunts who simply cannot be satisfied ever. Bowing to leftist social pressure has never once had a positive effect for a company.

>>58996353
The interface and making it retard-proof. Each update since Australis removes features for the sake of "ease of use" and "safety" or bloats the browser with shit like Pocket that should have stayed an extension since Firefox already could manage bookmarks. The move toward XUL depreciation and toward a WebExtensions-only add-on environment means that meaningful UI customization will no longer be possible.

Firefox built itself on being better than Internet Explorer and being customizable out the ass, and it has been dying trying to chase Chrome. There's no such thing as a browser for power users anymore. Opera gave up years ago. If you use the Internet for anything more than social networking and YouTube, you're no longer welcome on any browser.

>>58996558
>who simply cannot be satisfied ever
Exactly. If you bow down to this shit, they will just continue to make more and more unreasonable demands, and the second you don't comply they will turn on you.

>>58996647
>There's no such thing as a browser for power users anymore.
Palemoon is our last bastion.

Once Mozilla goes bankrupt and Firefox is maintained solely by the OSS community, Firefox will be great again.

>doesn't force every addon to be restartless
>its the current year and 64 bit is still not even close

>>58996857
>restartless
literally who cares

>>58983047
Interviewed with them a couple months ago, interviewer was a bootcampfag 6 months into their first job out of a 2 week JS bootcamp. Technical questions were literally piss easy.

It's pretty simple desu. Their hiring bar is super fucking low.

>>58996732
>Palemoon is our last bastion.
It would be, but I actually personally love the Developer theme in Dev and Nightly, and multiprocess is useful for any tab crashes.

>>58996857
>its the current year and 64 bit is still not even close
You can literally download x64 builds of stable easily.

>>58997127
>The theme
You know you could just export it and use it on Palemoon right

>>58997136
Yeah, and nothing fucking works.

32bits should have been legacy 5 years ago.

>>58997256
>Yeah, and nothing fucking works.
Everything works for me, anon.

they went beyond what was necessary

>>58996923
Honestly this is because there are a lot of awful candidates, and you probably made a pretty good impression, making technical questions a waste of time. Though they really shouldn't have had someone with only 6 months of experience interview you.

t. frequent interviewer

>>58983047
It didn't. It's still going.

>>58997211
It was introduced after Australis, so I doubt Pale Moon could use it.

>>58996923
> It's pretty simple desu. Their hiring bar is super fucking low.
Unless you are white male.

>>58997538
yes it did

It's broken and maintained by pajeets and landwhales

so whats a gud browser?

>>58999637
qutebrowser

>>58999657
ew

>>58999557
You are exactly like sjw. Ignores fact and only your FEELINGS are true.

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>>58989005
>I mean, just go to mozilla's website. Looks like a donation page for starving children in Africa.
Jesus Christ.

>>58994270
I'm that same. I don't have these memory issues like everyone else seems to have
The initial memory usage for a few tabs is a bit higher that chrome and edge but it scales better in that chrome could end up using more with the same amount of tabs open.

>>58999830
Honestly suspected photoshopping enough to go and check with the actual site. Well played Anon.

>>58989468
>muh poopdick marriage!

KYS, trigglypuff.

>>59000994
t. Lincuck user

>>59000994
t. triggered christfag

>>58983047
Logo not flat design

>>58990704
>3 different mothers

What a man. There he goes, contributing labour to the next generation of workers. It's almost like that's what governments have historically been paying for by subsidizing marriage - men and women to fuck and make babies so that the country will have a labor pool for the next generation. It's almost like governments are paying to obtain a natural resource for the country.

But I guess taxing everybody in a country to give money to people who decide to pair off "for life" or until lawyers get involved and dissolve the union is also totally worth the government's time. The government should totally be involved in subsidizing happiness alone.

>>58996857
lol windows

>>58999830
I mean "Internet for people, not profit" is a pretty cool slogan and really captures why I still use Firefox. Well that and the fact that it looks more standard on my desktop.

It's just with how SJW they are, I have zero confidence in their future.

>>58997467
The technical questions were pre-planned (I'm talking about coding questions).

The questions were basically : reverse a JS array (without using .reverse()), find the sum of a JS array, and another one which I forget about the same difficulty.

Basically if you know map/forEach, it's a piece of cake. The irony was that after presenting the questions, the interviewer said "you can use Google if you want". I literally spent 10 seconds trying to see if they were trick questions or if there were special conditions or anything. Nope. Done in 3 minutes with test cases. "Wow that was faster than I expected."

And this wasn't some junior intern kind of person. This was a pretty important cog in the wheel.

The problem is this: the kind of talent that they need would rather work pretty much anywhere else. The kind of talent that they get is not the level of talent that they need to keep Mozilla from dying.

Oddly I haven't even heard back from them yet. Their HR is broken too.

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>>58999830
Holy Shit. I didn't think that was real. But you got me to look at the actual website.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/

>>58983053
First post best post.

Personally I have firefox and chrome on an old computer with Sandy Bridge 3ghz x2. Chrome is fine with many tabs, but firefox is slow, or at least was slower when I last checked. I use it as a secondary browser with plugins as I'm afraid plugins will steal stuff on Chrome.

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I want to go back to Opera

>>58983047
They used a "progressive" agenda to aggressively push anyone who actually knew what they were doing out the door. Now, the only thing left there are weird SJW fruitcakes with odd-colored hair. Needless to say, none of them have any real software development skills to speak of.