Will you buy Ryzen?

No.

i wanna fug ryzen

>>58981173
I don't want to burn my house down.

>>58981173
Yes. Can't wait.

Fuck Intel jews and their ME backdoors.

No, I just bought a computer last year, and I won't buy another for probably 4 years.

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Of course, I'm not a sucker like everyone here who justifies $1000+ for an 8-core high-performance processor.

Nuclear reactors are illegal in my country

>>58981200
Enjoy your noigpu

>>58981173
Only if it doesn't have issues with Win7.

Yes only because this hobby is cheap as shit and I'm not a poorfag so fuck it

>>58981210
igpu's are for dumbasses
t. xeon owner

>>58981210
You have any idea how dogshit iGPUs are?

Because I do. I currently have an A10-7870K without a graphics card and I can barely get 40-50 FPS on low settings in BF4.

APUs are nice but they just aren't ready yet. Call me when intel or AMD make an APU with a 4 TFLOP iGPU for desktops.

>>58981173
Probably. I've got an 8350 in my desktop at the moment, and I'm looking to move it over to my home server.

>>58981210
Why the hell do you need an iGPU?

>>58981234
>>58981250
>>58981252
t. manchildren with dedicated graphics (lol)

I built my gaming desktop a few months ago with Intel and my Chromebook is ARM. So no.

>>58981264
>he doesn't have hobbies or fun
i feel sorry for you

>>58981264
This is some pretty weak bait.

>>58981280
Almost as weak as Ryzen's single core performance.

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>>58981264
Better than ricing my desktop all day long while trying to figure out why my new special snowflake loonix distro is crashing quadrillion times per millisecond.

Also unlike you I have a job irl, a manly job too, I'm a mason, bitch.

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Ryzen + Vega = Bliss

>>58981381
A blissful death of burning alive.

>>58981393
Dam dude, why do you love beating the dead horse so much? Are you that guy that kept trying to make milhouse into a meme?

>>58981393

Enough about Kabylake...

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>>58981173
I want to marry Amada!

>>58981381

Dual socket raven ridge sounds like a dream.

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>>58981406
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

>saving for new computer
>saving for new firearm
>saving for vacation

life is hard yall

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yes

intel needs to get slapped around a bit

>>58981437
>needing to buy firearms

you must be an amerifat

>>58981452
I don't need one, I just want one

>>58981173
depends on win7 performance.

>>58981456
>wanting to buy firearms

>>58981489
Yes

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>mfw live in 3rd world country
>mfw still in core2quad
>mfw too poor even for ryzen

>>58981512
at least you have a computer

>>58981512
Why are you on this website? 4chan is for 1st worlders only.

no, i've already got a 6700k

part of me hope ryzen is awesome, so that we will see competition

the other part is FUCKING DREADING the countless >INTEL BTFO posts that are drawn up by children

but it would be nice to have an alternative after i'm done with this pc.

>>58981452
Are you a faggot?

>Ryzen 7/5/3
>unironically pumping intel's marketing
they can't even do that right
baka t b h familia

>>58981452
>>58981489
>being a 3rd world semen slurping faggot

>>58981335
>He thinks his job isn't just for braindead retards

>>58981530
are you in need to get firearms to compensate your micropenis?

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>>58981177
>>58981179

>>58981512
I've been to the Nigerian equivalent of Reddit and in the gaming forum, most people had AMD powered laptops that weren't that old. Where the fuck can you live that's worse than Africa tier?

>>58981571
Just say nairaland most people know it. /int/ sometimes has threads about it.

>>58981590
IDK how many /g/entoomen browse /int/, I just wanted to play it safe.

>>58981616
/int/ is a shit board

>>58981528

>t. Jamal from Detroit

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>>58981559
>anyone can be a mason which includes hauling around 80-90 lbs bags all day long in the blistering hear or freezing cold
sure thing pal

pic related was something similar our crew had to 10 stories high on all 4 sides of the building

>>58981173
I just built my PC a few months ago, so no.
AMD fucked up their timing and lost me as a customer.

>>58981640
Any able fucking man can do that.

>>58981640
femanon here!
Looks easy ^^

>>58981640
>le mason tripfag
I downvote this meme

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>>58981650
>Any able fucking man can do that.
lol I'd love to see you try. Over the years I've been employed many have outright quit with some only lasting for a week or two.

I bet you've never had to carry a bag of cement 5 flight of stairs up a building.

>>58981173
i have a 6700k so i have no reason to swap cpu's, but i'm glad to see amd finally attempting to be competative again

>>58981209
you should consider moving to a 1st world country

>>58981720
Just wait until the coarz race starts and in 5 years you'll need 16

>>58981530
No. But I'd gladly fug your tight boipussi. :D

I just hope the cost doesn't increase too much here in southamerica.

>>58981748
What country?

Aren't computer things pretty cheap in colombia and chile?

>>58981741
>yes

fixed that for you

>>58981173
Yeah day one i need rebuild my shit

>>58981758

>What country?

Chile, also yes; here the prices are not fucked up like Argentina, but people keeps jewing you with some prices, almost everything is 15% more epensive than USA

>>58981173

Been waiting to upgrade, yes.

>>58981590

That is a seriously unironically funny board.

>>58981173
Of course I am , I need a more powerful server to stream/churn videos using plex.

>>58981640
Hence an occupation for braindead retards.

>>58981173
Yep. Sold my 6700K and Maximus VIII Hero Alpha board this week, so have the money ready for an 1800X.

Currently shitposting live from my old Phenom II X4 955 that I bought in 2009. It and the Gigabyte board I bought with it have been real troopers. Had a 1090T in there for a while last year just for funsies and it handled it at 1.425V/3.9GHz perfectly. Might go with Gigabyte again for Ryzen.

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>>58981173
Probably. An i5 is pretty good, but I compile and encode every day. I do stream shit from time to time, so more cores would be welcomed as well. Having some VMs sounds neat as well moreover when AMD doesn't disable goodies for virtualization.

>>58981173
No but I hope it delivers

I have an i7-6700 so no.

Most likely yes. I'm waiting eagerly for them to be released. My 8 year old pc is a pain in the ass and has to be replaced. Can't wait for a pc which can open folders in less than four seconds but maybe that's just Vista's fault.

>>58981173
Shitty IPC and clocks makes it useless for games.
64Gb RAM limit and no ECC support makes it useless for any workstation/server applications.
No iGPU, no OSX support.
Nice try AMD, but no.
>dual 2670v3 & 7700K@5Ghz masterrace

>>58981335
uncle charlie?

>>58982528
Reinstall Windows, XP and Vista get slow as fuck over time.

>>58982600
Yeah, I should have done this at some time. But I think I can handle this slow PC for one last month. I will buy myself an M.2 ssd too. It will be so fast. I'm almost coming thinking about it.

Happy with my Intel and nivda

No, I have no reason to upgrade.

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>>58982552
>quad core for gaming
>2017

Literally LMAOing at your life, senpai. Enjoy that bottleneck.

>>58982682
kill yourself

Yeah later this year.

>>58982701
>gamegpu

>>58982552
The only bad thing you mentioned is no ECC.
64gb is enough for workstation.

B-But my MKL optimizations ;_;

>>58982552
Dumb shitposter.

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>>58982552
>Shitty IPC
Same as Intel.
>and clocks
Higher than Intel.
>no ECC
AMD has always supported ECC on there enthusiast desktop platforms.
>No iGPU
Ravens ridge
>OSX support
The next generation macs will likely use AMD APUs. It's not up to Ryzen to support OSX. Its up to Apple to support Ryzen.

>>58981706
>only carrying one bag at a time

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Why is rin shilling for AMD

>>58981559
>valuing yourself with your job

if you need mandatory work to force you to do something "intellectual", maybe you were never an intellectual in the first place. maybe you're just a semi-clever nerd that never developed intelligence and passion in childhood, and is therefore doomed to never have either, and be forever limited to your basic problem solving skills.

but at least you're a code monkey so you can pretend you have at least one of them

No.

I got a Intel i7-5930K. Let me just guess that i'm gonna be fine.

>>58983292
NIgga why. Are you using those lanes?

>>58981173

Yes. I'm really hot for mITX but it those boards are not available at or near launch, I will go with mATX instead

>>58983300
No actually.

It was as cheap as a 5820 @ Blackfriday that's why.

>>58983344
Ah, you were one of the chosen. Pretty jelly, but I'm glad I waited for more cores.

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>>58981173

I'm not expecting to upgrade before 2020. During late 2019 I'll evaluate the market & offerings, probably to buy best dollar value during Thanksgiving 2020, or slightly after.

It's also possible I'll hold off until Thanksgiving 2021 or even 2022, depending upon what the tech landscape looks like, in direct comparison to what the dollar will buy.

Also, very real possibility that, by then, I'll buy 4 or 6 Raspeberri Pi VIs or whatever the equivalent is and clusterfuck them together into some sort of little monster that runs on 10 watts and is 20x more powerful than my current FX8350.

>>58983393
What if you have a heart attack and die six months from now?

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>>58981173
I'm buying the lowest end 8 core variant before the benchmarks even hit.

I'm spreading wide for Amada, I have faith she won't peg me.

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>>58982472
>I have a housefire
Enjoy your Jewcessor. It'll be half the processor of AMDs equivalent. (I.E. half the cores, and half the threads for more money)

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>>58983401
you ought to know by now

>>58983045
Terry Davis has 128 GiB in his workstation

>>58981545
You mean German Luxury car marketing scheme that is now used by tons of companies.

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Fucking amd trash.

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>>58981173
>will you consume our products, goy?
no

>>58983484
>>58983545
>b-but it has more cores, goy!
a shitpost indeed if there ever was one

>>58981173
Yes?

Does anyone here play video games unironically?

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>>58981173
Probably yes, but still waiting for benchmarks.
I'm not a retarded fanboy.

>>58981428
>pic related

>>58981210
>Getting a >$300 processor to use the iGPU
Fucking stupid I swear

>>58981512
Where the fuck do you even live, Sudan?

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>>58983729
>ignoring everything so far
Keep it up and I'll be shitposting results day one

AND IT'LL BTFO OUT OF INTEL(Taking into consideration all the important factors.)

And your response will be: "JUST WAIT FOR INTEL TO RELEASE XXXX 6 MONTHS FROM NOW!", "IT DOESNT COUNT, ITS AMD!", or "THE 6950X (7950X yet?) IS STILL THE BLEEDING EDGE, EVEN IF IT IS THREE TIMES AS MUCH!"

Enjoy sucking off the cock of Intel for your marginal gains and 4 cores.

>>58983843
I play Dwarf Fortress, and I can't wait to upgrade for DDR4.

>>58984058
What do you need a dedicated GPU for?

>>58983670
Post more

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>>58984105
What do you need a $300 processor for?

>>58984105
CUDA
OpenCL
AI Compute stacks
10-bit display outputs
HDR display outputs

Space heaters

>>58984120
Software development
I compile and decompile a lot, and have to run VMs

>>58984058
>gpu passthrough

>>58984161
>not multiple dedicated GPU's

>/g/ can't conceive a use case that requires a fast CPU but not a GPU

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>>58984134
Cool, I'm sure there's some way in which a dGPU might be able to help you there. Even if there isn't, there are plenty of real fucking cheap dGPUs that would perform far better than the integrated solution and overall cost less.

If the issue is power-consumption, then I could see that being an issue.

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>>58984120
To browse on chinese image boards, obviously.

>>58984174
>might be able to help you there
I doubt it.

>>58981173
Of course, anything to fuck the Intel pajeets and their Jew botnet over.

>>58981563
People here kill antifa and snakbarring sand niggers instead of giving them medals.

I'll buy a i5 7600K

>>58981173
>dat miata

Wtf I love AMD now

>>58981210
Not a problem poorfag :^)

>>58981264
dGPUs can be had for cheap nowadays, my dude

>>58984066
Intel i7 X950X is diminishing returns the processor.
But honestly, Arrandale is best iX series microarchitecture.

>>58981173
If the power draw in idle isn't gigantic and allows for somewhat silent coolers.
I tend to use computers as long as possible.
Bonus, if their boxed cooler is somewhat silent.

>>58981195
>PSP is much better

>>58981250
>>58981252
>>58984058
iGPU could be useful in the future, they're just not "there" yet.

Potentially you could do compute shaders while the main thread is finishing preparing a draw call, and have those compute shaders finished on the iGPU instead of needing to be done as a separate stage on the discrete GPU, reducing the time it takes to draw a frame.

With Ryzen Ridge, with on-die HBM and an integrated VEGA GPU, yeah maybe it'll be good enough to get 60FPS at 1080p. But a lot of people are still going to want a discrete GPU for 144fps at 3440x1440 and for the APU to just help a little bit.

>>58981545
They really fucked up not making it R4 for 4 cores, R6 for 6 cores, etc.

>>58981200
how does turbo and xfr work on X models?

do you get temp constrained all-cores auto turbo, or just single core auto turbo?

>>58987373
Basica turbo werks the same way it werks on Intel. XFR is entirely different thing.

>>58981173
Yes.
1700X

Intel jewed too much.

If Intel is competitive again in the build after that that I'll look at Intel again.

>>58987373
Every SKU has turbo. There is a single core peak turbo frequency, then there is a lower all core turbo.
XFR squeezes out extra frequency on top of everything if you keep the chip cool enough.

>>58987385
I know XFR cranks up some clock speed(s) as temp allows. My question is whether it only affects the single-core turbo or whether it can lift the base all-cores clock too.

>>58987373
"Precision Turbo" (which every Ryzen CPU has X or not) is like Intel Turbo.

XFR automatically keeps increasing frequency until it hits thermal or power (as defined by the motherboard as it's the VRM that'll burn otherwise) limits.

>>58987426
Neither, it's per-core.
So all cores are being raised and there is no artificial ratio limit like intel - but each core isn't neccessarily going to be the same speed (ie. core X might be hotter than core Y so it's lower in clockspeed)

>>58983729
>1-5% higher IPC and 5% higher clock speed is totally better than having twice the threads and cores
>especially when it costs more money, and the boards cost even more money because of jew Intel licensing fees
>r-right guys?

Do you have any idea how retarded you sound?

>>58987229
>iGPU could be useful in the future, they're just not "there" yet.
They're already useful for pretty much everything except gaming rigs and servers.

>>58987483
Until very recently they've been great in the server world too.

Not everything is a serial workflow and the cheap prices were a godsend for vm clouds.

I'm thinking about buying a 1400X once it gets released. Don't need anything too fancy, just something that'll last at least as long as my i5 4460 did.

Might consider a 1600X too if it does well in benchmarks and isn't terribly overpriced.

>>58981173
Sadly I already bought 6700k. 6c/12t for same price sounds sexy but as always AMD is too late to the party.

AMDead.

>>58987474
Oh that was to the wrong person, but you know who it's to

>>58987483
They actually can be useful for servers, using GPGPU processing. The GPU is more efficient on a lot of tasks than even AVX512 is.

It's just "too hard" to program that way, so people can't.

But if you wanted to make a server that supported hundreds of players and thousands of AI in an area fighting together, GPGPU would help make that work. You could do collision and hit detection simultaneously for lots of players at a time on the integrated GPU at low async latency.

I have an 8350. I've been wanting to try out virtual reality but I need a new cpu and gpu for it. So I'll most likely buy it for a new build, sure.

>>58981173
AMD needs to put out Ryzen-tan merch and branded hardware like they do in GRORIUS NIPPON.

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AMD>Intel

intel's jews and management engine and shills, fuck all of it

>>58981173
I don't know. Will you buy Ryzen?

>>58987894
Intel ME==AMD PSP

>>58987894
From Libreboot's wiki:

AMD Platform Security Processor (PSP)
This is basically AMD's own version of the Intel Management Engine. It has all of the same basic security and freedom issues, although the implementation is wildly different.

The Platform Security Processor (PSP) is built in on all Family 16h + systems (basically anything post-2013), and controls the main x86 core startup. PSP firmware is cryptographically signed with a strong key similar to the Intel ME. If the PSP firmware is not present, or if the AMD signing key is not present, the x86 cores will not be released from reset, rendering the system inoperable.

The PSP is an ARM core with TrustZone technology, built onto the main CPU die. As such, it has the ability to hide its own program code, scratch RAM, and any data it may have taken and stored from the lesser-privileged x86 system RAM (kernel encryption keys, login data, browsing history, keystrokes, who knows!). To make matters worse, the PSP theoretically has access to the entire system memory space (AMD either will not or cannot deny this, and it would seem to be required to allow the DRM "features" to work as intended), which means that it has at minimum MMIO-based access to the network controllers and any other PCI/PCIe peripherals installed on the system.

(1/2)

>>58987894
>>58987955
(2/2)

In theory any malicious entity with access to the AMD signing key would be able to install persistent malware that could not be eradicated without an external flasher and a known good PSP image. Furthermore, multiple security vulnerabilities have been demonstrated in AMD firmware in the past, and there is every reason to assume one or more zero day vulnerabilities are lurking in the PSP firmware. Given the extreme privilege level (ring -2 or ring -3) of the PSP, said vulnerabilities would have the ability to remotely monitor and control any PSP enabled machine. completely outside of the user's knowledge.

Much like with the Intel Boot Guard (an application of the Intel Management Engine), AMD's PSP can also act as a tyrant by checking signatures on any boot firmware that you flash, making replacement boot firmware (e.g. libreboot, coreboot) impossible on some boards. Early anecdotal reports indicate that AMD's boot guard counterpart will be used on most OEM hardware, disabled only on so-called "enthusiast" CPUs.

https://libreboot.org/faq/#amdpsp

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>>58987924
>>58987955
AMD only puts their management engine into their server chips. Intel's trying to jew everybody, their ME goes into everything they make.

>>58987983
No, PSP is in EVERYTHING from Jaguar (Beema), Kaveri and up.

Every Ryzen CPU will have PSP.

>>58988015
>Every Ryzen CPU will have PSP.
This is contrary to what AMD is telling us actually.

>>58988058
It really isn't, but it's clear there is no actual reasoning with you.

You want X to be true and there is no telling you otherwise, even when presented with evidence.

>>58987969
Yeah AMD has this because otherwise they wouldn't be able to sell them to governments and others needing high security.

>>58981173

1800X and the best non gaymen asus mobo, still early

>>58988164
>It really is
fixed for you, post proofs if otherwise

old stuff from some crusty tranny's site isn't relevant to zen

>>58988164
>>58988199
both of you are speculating

just stop

>>58988185
I never stated it was good or bad, simply that it exists and is equivalent to Intel ME in function, intended use and expected attack surfaces.

>>58981173
Yes

>>58981210
(You)

>>58981200
So the 1800X is just a better binned 1700X?

>>58981173
Only if Apple switches to Ryzen. Otherwise, nope.png

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>>58988242

yea

>>58988215
So far you've claimed that AMD stated it wasn't going to be in Ryzen (no sources to the fact)
And that it wasn't anything other than server chips (It is infact, in Beema, Mullins, Kaveri, Carizzo, Bristol Ridge, Carizzo-L, Stoney Ridge and Comal - all consumer APUs)

There is no reason they would remove the PSP from future processors (in fact, it would make them unsaleable as certain DRM solutions rely on it)

>>58981264
Nice bait, homo. You do realize there are people that use dedicated graphics for their job, right? Rendering isn't just for games.

Dat b8 is weak son

>>58988242
Yes.
And the 1700X is just a better binned 1700.

The 6c/12t, 4c/8t, and 4c/4t are less strictly binned so I imagine its possible you could get a 1800X level 1600X rather than a 1700X level one that just has 2 cores disabled.

The other thing I hope is that you can individually change voltage on cores, or XFR will. But I bet not.

>>58988281
>>58988291
So to put it another way, the 1700 series are guaranteed to not OC as well as the 1800. Do they test the chips to determine binning?

>>58981403
Milhouse isn't a meme is a meme

Thanks for making me show my oldfag, dick.

>>58981250
>Call me when intel or AMD make an APU with a 4 TFLOP iGPU for desktops.
Not that guy but give it ~4 years. My 7850k gets to 1 terraflop(ish) with a hefty overclock. Unlike you, I'm happy with mine. I bought it for overclocking and the occasional five year old game.

Nah, just got a great deal on an i3-6100 + motherboard combo (presumably because of Intel's newer CPUs). I don't need more power any time soon and also I'm poor.

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"milhouse isn't a meme" is fucking gay ass something awful shit from the post-4chan era, just leave that shit on reddit where it belongs

>>58988321
I hope you didn't pay more than $70 for the 6100, because G4560 costs $64 and is basically 6100 with slightly lower clocks.

>>58981250
>>58988308
>Call me when intel or AMD make an APU with a 4 TFLOP iGPU for desktops.
I bet it happens by 2019 if not 2018.

They wouldn't be talking shared HBM with Ryzen Ridge if they didn't have the compute power to go with it.

And the slides said Vega will support up to 18.1 TFLOPs per die. It doesn't seem unreasonable that they might put 4TFLOP iGPU when Ryzen Ridge will also be Vega.

They could potentially not have it be the same wafer, but everything just really close together on the same socket, similar to how HBM is on the socket under the heatsink but not actually on the die.

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>>58988284
>There is no reason they would remove the PSP from future processors
Yes, there are reasons. PSP exist for enterprise security needed for OEM laptops and likes, which has no place in a true desktop die which isn't derived from mobile APUs. PSP is grouped together with GPU part of the die which would give trusted execution paths for DRM applications.

Ryzen is not enterprise chip designed for OEMS and there is no iGPU. There has been zero evidence so far for the existence of PSP on it

>>58988321
>I just goyt a deal on some Intel products
No you didn't.

>>58981706
>thinks he's superior because he works manual labor

Right. Which is why your boss probably also employs Guatemalans and Mexicans off the home depot parking lot.

Nigger, I spent 10 years as a lumberjack, able to fell a tree with incredible precision and all I had to show for it was a sore back and bad knees lifting. Four years of college on a grant and I'm making more as an addiction counselor trainee fucking INTERN than I did after a decade of breaking my back every day.

So get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. You're no better than fucking Paco or Julio down at home depot. Get a real job where you make real money and be a real man. Tripfag scum

>>58988301

I wouldn't speculate too much on any "guarantee", the recent bench leaks show 1700X, I want to see how far the 1800X can go

I'm assuming the X indicates best overclockability, for what you know overclocked 1700X may match baseline 1800

>>58981706
Brickie work isn't exactly 'real man work' it's less strenuous than digging.

The average plumber does more work than the brickie, that's not even including underfloors.

>>58988284
>something happened before
>therefore same thing happens again
pathetic

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Ryzen will probably be a different socket and chipset for Enterprise. I know they are planning 16core and 32core CPUs. I'm not sure if that'll be a single CCX or not... maybe if it is it might still be AM4 but a different chipset still.

>>58988413
Either way, I don't see anything that looks like the PSP on the die shots.
It could be somewhere in that top area.
Or it could be on each core to the upper right of the data cache, or above the scheduler. That's the only place I could see it "hiding" if it's there.

Maybe it does have one, though. I don't really care at all, myself.

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>>58988301
>>58988437
>>58988284

This is the 1700X. Also binning is dependent on how perfect the chip is formed and it's even more relevant with larger caches

PSP and privacy, at least it's not a blatant backdoor like Intels AMT / ME

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>>58984079
>still no dwarf therapist for 43.05

>>58988540
learn to play the game like an adult

>>58981173
No, but then again, I'm not buying any new parts in the immediate future. I just don't have the money for it.

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>>58988606
>being an adult is slowly losing control of your fort to gigantic waves of migrants that are nearly impossible to manage
I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Also, fuck you. I use tilesets too.

>>58988606
>slowly losing control of your fort to gigantic waves of migrants that are nearly impossible to manage
Europe simulator 2017

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>>58981512
third worlder here. pic related, it's my pc.
not rich, though. just got a job.

>>58988344
It was roughly in that price range when subtracting what the cost of the motherboard would have been.

>>58981250
video games are for children

I'm going to wait 6 months for Microcenter to come out with a CPU/motherboard combo which is 1/2 the price that all of the dumbfags who buy on launch day paid

Enjoy wasting your money, nerds

>>58989866
>mircocenter
Yeah enjoy your retail markup lol

>>58989891
Microcenter is literally the cheapest place and routinely undercuts every place you use. Their CPU/mobo combos are loss leaders.

Dummy!

Sure. Might try putting together a low-end gaming setup with just AMD components.

>>58988738
>being an adult is slowly losing control of your fort to gigantic waves of migrants that are nearly impossible to manage
Are you german

>>58989942
kek

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>tfw Amada liked my twitter post

>>58981173
Yes.
I plan on purchasing a Ryzen CPU, a liquid-based cooler with a 360mm radiator for fairly good cooling, an AM4 Motherboard, and ~32GB of DDR4 ram come May, and also finally pull the trigger on an X230t.

Fully expecting the cost to be around $1000 total for everything.

>>58990049
Consider a Noctua or Be Quiet! cooler. They are 4 times quieter than liquid AIOs, more effective than 90% of AIOs, and almost as effective as the best 280mm/360mm AIOs.

>>58990158
Okay, looked up a few air coolers and noticed the NH-D14's heat pipes. Are they plated copper or just solid aluminum?

reminder that /v/ intel wintoddlers are not allowed to buy ryzen

>>58990207
Why, precisely?
It seems it's right on-par with Skylake CPUs, minus the iGPU. I don't see why /v/ shilltel users aren't allowed to switch to the God-Emperor of CPU microarchitectures.

>>58990205
The heat pipes and heatsink are copper. Fins are alluminum

t. google searcher

>>58988413
But the big question is: Is it spyware like Intel's ME?

Intel's ME runs a tcp/ip network independent of your OS which allows it to send and receive internet traffic that bypasses any firewall on the system.

Some people think it's how Intel knows if you've overclocked the CPU or memory above factory specs in order to void your warranty.

>>58984201
better multi-monitor support?

>>58988510
A CCX is the quad core cluster you see there, not to be confused with an MCM.
The enterprise sockets are SP3 and SP4.
Naples Opterons are 4 die MCMs.

>>58990205
They're nickel plated copper.

>>58981187
>>58981179
>>58981177
IDF shills detected

no, because there's no official windows 7 support

>>58981210
do you fucking people even come here to discuss tech?

>>58994131
Neither does Kaby Lake but you can still install it. Your fault for using a dead OS.

>>58990254
I havent been on /g/ in a bit. whats with the t. meme?

>>58994168
>whats with the t. meme?
hownew.ru

>>58981173
I'm fine now with a Haswell i3. When my current desktop kicks the bucket, I'll probably buy a Ryzen or a derivative if they're available in my country and if their price is competitive.

>>58994168
It basically means "signed"

Short for "terveisin" in Finnish.

I even used it in the most obvious way that you should get by the context clues.

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>>58981173
Nope, I stopped upgrading. I already have AMD tho (APU, good for madvr and watching anime unlike the terribly supported intel GPUs) and would go AM4 if replacing.

>>58991634
>Intel's ME runs a tcp/ip network independent of your OS which allows it to send and receive internet traffic that bypasses any firewall on the system.
Only if you have enterprise Q-series chipse and only if you use Intel onboard ethernet. (And have teh stuff enabled - durrrrrrr)

Basically, it's extremely overblown issue.

>>58994177
not very new, been around for about 5ish years. Just havent been on in a few months. cheers

>>58981803
USA prices are advertised without sales tax, because it varies locally. But the tax is still there, added after the oficial price. So don't worry, you aren't missing that much. Also USA has shit short warranties.

>>58994388
>Basically, it's extremely overblown issue.
When is it not? /g/ constantly falls for Breitbart style "controversies" that were never an issue to begin with. I'll bet that most posters here still thinks windows 10 scans for pirated software based on a very loose reading of the EULA.

>>58994639
> /g/ constantly falls for Breitbart style "controversies"
excuse me but I found that stuff out from reddit, not /g/

If it's viably cheaper for decent performance in comparison to intel's alternatives, possibly.

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>>58984066
>>58987474
>he isn't sucking off my preferred corporation's cock so he must be sucking off their competition instead, because everyone is a deluded fanboy like me!
I haven't been following this shill thread at all, I was just laughing at that particular faggot for sounding like a sleazy marketer appealing solely to core/thread count, AKA the gigglehurts of the 2010s, like it actually stands on its own.

>>58994845
>solely
Yeah that original retard is definitely you.

>>58994899
stop sucking corporate cock for a second and read the two posts I originally quoted again that just appeal to core/thread count and nothing else

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>>58994845
It's fine anon, it's just that the near IPC parity was implied

>>58987969
Implying anybody cares about trannyboot

>>58995106
sure, it will probably turn out to be a decent line of chips
quite interested to see how the server/workstation offerings turn out, hopefully it will be as cozy as the K8 Opteron era

>>58995185
Naples are MCM. So lotsa cores and PCI-E lanes at reasonable prices with decent clocks.

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>>58988738
>>58988828
>not using the terminal

plebs

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but which one are u getting

>>58995243
It's pretty hard to decide because prices are so close and your inner goy always wants moar cores.

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>>58981173

Yep! A 6/12 or maybe a 8/16.

>>58995243
Most likely the 1700

>>58995256
>gaymen if you don't want to overclock
R5 1400X
>gaymen for overclockers
R5 1300
>Multitasking or gaymen
R5 1600X
>multitasking while gaymen, but don't like overclocking
any R7 with XFR
>multitasking w/ gaymen, overclocking
R7 1700X or R7 1800X, depending on if the 1700X overclocks worse than the 1800X

>>58981173

probably, if the recent leak prove to be accurate. I've been waiting a long time to upgrade from 2500k, but I decided I wouldnt bother until 8 cores were affordable.

Intel can suck my dick for jewing the last 5 years or so. Even if they offer a little better gain with the response, I will probably still go amd.

>>58995243
1600X if XFR and/or binning turns out to be great. Otherwise I'll just get the 1500 or 1700.

>>58995338
The X chips will still be better manual overclockers because they're better binned.
Unless there is some lottery where there is an XFR controller on the chip that may be bad so it gets binned as a non-X despite holding stable clocks at low voltage.

That said, the non-X are likely better value considering they're still unlocked, and come with a wraith cooler.

>>58995338

what is the best/better substitute for i5-7500?

>>58995527
R3 1200X looks like a direct replacement

>>58995527
For the price, ~$229, you can get the 1500 6c/12t which is far superior.

For just slightly better, the 1300 is 4c/8t and unlocked at $175.
The 1200X is also 4c/4t but might not have quite as much single core performance and shit. May as well spend the extra $25-$70 or whatever.

what chipset or motherboard we will be using this with?

>>58996170
B350, X370 offers too little for too much

>>58996170
AM4 socket which will last into 2020+.

X370 and X300 for enthusiast. I forget the others.

>>58996364
Aren't some B350 boards like $70?

>>58994131
Move on. It's comfortable, but it's severely lacking in responsiveness and consistency. Why the fuck does Windows need a reinstall every now and then? I sure did it, but it always dropped to shit.
I'd recommend 8.1. It's trash, but it's not the abomination that's 10. You could also go to some Linux distro since Windows 7 is already being dropped 3 years before m$'s date.

>>58996423
Isn't one of the advantages of Ryzen that there is no gimped virtualization, so you could have Linux running a Windows VM on 4 cores?

>>58996422
Exactly. The X370 give you a few extra PCIe Gen2 lanes, some more SATA ports, and Crossfire/SLI. But the 970X showed us that SLI and Crossfire support will eventually show up on the B350 chipset. So apart from the SATA ports, there is no point in going with an X370 motherboard. You can still overclock just as well with the B350.

>>58996364
>>58996446
Er well what you're missing is that X370 will have higher quality components.

I think I already mentioned in this thread that XFR may only work on X370 and X300 boards.
B350 will allow manual overclocking though, for sure, but they may not be as stable.

So there's not "no reason". For high overclocks, you need a VERY high quality motherboard.

>>58996422
>AM4 socket which will last into 2020+.
Keep in mind it is only 3 years away

>>58996770
Still much longer than a socket a year the keeps goyim in fear.

>>58996770
>>58996781
Is it really only 1 socket per year from Intel? It seems like fucking more than that. Like one socket every other year per range of models, and they have 3-4 ranges, an average of like 1.5.

A 3 year lifespan of a socket sounds perfect to me. Especially if it's more like 3.5.

I used to upgrade my computer every 3-4 years. Intel just gave me reasons not to for 6 years while AMD took a while to change management and hire Jim Keller back.

>>58996903
>AM3/AM3+ is 8 years old
shit

>>58996963
Yep. That's the last time AMD made a good socket and family of processors (until now, it looks like). 8 years ago. But they were never that profitable due to Intel anti-competitive shit.
Meyer and Reed or whatever fucked shit up after that.

Well, I guess Meyer wasn't the one that overpaid for ATI, and I think he's the one that actually made Radeon good (while CPUs suffered), so that's something at least.
And I guess it's Read who actually got Jim Keller back.
Who was CEO when AMD signed a 6 year agreement on 32nm with GF? It could have been the tail end of Meyer or start of Read.

But marketing and company vision under Su has been best.

>>58981173
somebody saved the picture I made :3

>>58997063
Su is the shining example of a woman who is good as CEO, but her background makes her quiet and logical as opposed what is wanted for a feminist posterchild. A shame really, I'd like more women to be like that.

>>58997097
Amada a cute and she's about to rape Intel-tan.

>>58997101
A person like Su is already rare enough. Literally the top .1% of humanity, gender aside.

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>>58997121
I hope so I cant take much more disappointment

>>58997101
>>58997144
Yep. One of the few female CEOs that got the position on merit post 2010. Sad for the corporate world, but good for her.

Higher than 0.1%.
You have Jim Keller that's 0.00001% and she's something like 0.001%

>>58995243
1700 paired with B350

>early adoption

Not even once.

if it's faster in a few benchmarks I care about

>>58987296
oh god that waould have really rustled intels jimmies, and made the normies think
>higher numbers
>i3 vs R4
>better chips
marketing dun goofed

>>58988343
that shit is older than you redditbabby

all this conjecture reminds me of the old housefires, woodscrews and pork shoulder days of 2009.

>>58997333
Member inelite?

>>58981173
"Thumbs up for me"
-Crazyrussianhacker

>>58995243
Either the 1700X or 1800X. No reason to pay more if they both overclock to the same level, but if they're binned then I'll pay the piper.

I want to, but I'm going to wait until september.

>>58981173
Not probably ryzen out of the gate, but snowy owl or naples or something with moar cores for my vm shits.

I might if I can sell my 4590+mobo+ram combo for $$$

If it doesn't suck, yes.

I am particularly interested in Naples. Intel don't have anything on their 14nm roadmap to beat 32 cores and 64 threads, and 10nm has been delayed again.

>>58981173
Probably, in 5 years.

>>58981252
>why do you need an iGPU
Passthrough with a single GPU.

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>>58981209
faggot

>>58981173
yup! im about to change my system since last year but ill wait a little longer

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>>58981173
Yes
I need more single thread performance than my Xeon 2670-V3 can offer.

>>58981173
No because im poor and my FX8350 does all I need anyway since i dont play gaymes anymore

Buy rice? Nigga I'll buy all of the rice. I eat that shit like nobody. I eat more rice than the chinese. I have tested this.

>>58982552
Ryzen has ECC you fucking dumbass

>>58996423
8.1 with classic shell is okay I guess, but it's still worse than 7. Pajeet PooOS 10 is just an awful piece of shit, so I think I'll just keep my current Xeon + Windows 7 setup.

>>58999870
What are your work loads or use cases to warrant so many threads?

How long till ryzen is out?

>>58995338
Are you dumb? X CPUs are meant for overclocking

No, my fx-8350 still handles perfectly anything i throw at her.
I cant see myself upgrading anytime soon

>>59000440
Retard, if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about you're in no position to correct anyone.
All Ryzen CPUs are unlocked. Every single one. Base clock and multiplier. Overclocking is controlled by the board chipset, not the CPU SKU.

X SKUs have XFR enabled, others don't.

>>58982390
Hey I'm still on that setup too.
What kind of single core performance bump do you think we're in for?

>>58981264
>rendering doesn't exist

No, I just bought a computer 8 years ago, and I won't buy another for probably 4 years.

Actually, I'm a poorfag and it's way too expensive.

>>59000639
I'm still rocking a 2010 core i5, can see no reason to upgrade

>>59000392
2 weeks

>>59000231
Editing and rendering.
However it's kind of shit when i play games.
I don't like having separate workstations for work and games so Ryzen is looking attractive.

I'm thinking strongly about it, but I'd rather get a 16c/32t Naples (or dual 8c sockets).

>>59001170
Cool. It would be fantastic to see some before and after bench marks.

What's the lowest variant of ryzen anyway?

I keep seeing 8core $1000. Its not going to be like the FX series?

>>58995330

1700 for me too, in an ITX form factor with a nano Vega in a custom case smaller than the Dan A-4.

>>59001298
Nigger what?
The top binned Ryzen SKU is $500.

>>58981173
Yes. And i can probably sell my 6700k with mobo for a good price to get ryzen 8 core

Why should AMD all of the sudden be capable of producing good CPUs? This is something I don't understand this company has a history of completely failing on the CPU market and now they suddenly have the uber killing processor that can rival with intel.

I don't believe it, something is shady about that.

>>59001398
Jim Keller shit wrecker. Look at what that fuck did to the mobile SoC department. Absolutely wrecked.

>>59001410
I thought that guy went full transgender mode?

>>58981173
>tfw just bought a z97 ar and a 4670k to replace my g3258

ill find a reason to get a 1200x though, for sure.

>>59001298
>What's the lowest variant of ryzen anyway?
4 cores 4 threads. Basically an unlocked i5 for $129.
>I keep seeing 8core $1000
8 core 16 thread ryzen starts at $319
>Its not going to be like the FX series?
No. Expect at least haswell single core performance, probably closer to Skylake.

>>59001434
>not going for moar corez
>6c 12t ryzen is cheaper than a 4670k

>>59001495
where is the price list?

anyway, i just got the new mobo like 2 months ago and i didnt want to replace it all so soon.

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>>59001514

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FUCKING retarded cucktel shitposters still trying to justify having an igpu. you cannot justify having an igpu. its so fucking pointless. never in my life have I ever had to use an igpu. why would you want features you don't need? oh yea because you like to flaunt money around and claim ''poorfag''. How the fuck is that an argument? If you are really for that kind of way to spend your money just buy a Mac for god sake. It comes loaded with stuff you don't need.

>>59001541
i got my 4670k for 170 so still less expensive than the 6c/12t ryzen. no matter, when i upgrade, amd it is. glad theyre competitive again.

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>>59001398
AMD doesn't have a history of completely failing. Their singular real failure in the CPU market was Bulldozer. They did good work on all successive iterations of the family, the only issue was that the Bulldozer base arch was too flawed to incrementally fix up to intel performance levels.

The Zen core is very close to the size of Skylake.
A Zen core minus L2 is 5.5mm2. Skylake is 6.57mm2.
The only caveats in a direct comparison of die size here is that intel's 14nm process is nominally 15% denser, and intel's FPU has 256bit data paths. The Zen FPU is designed for higher throughput with 128bit ops. The FPU is the single biggest block in intel's cores.

>>59001584
>buying used components
Enjoy your dying CPU, goy.

>>59001420
Are you actually fucking retarded?

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>>59001638
well whatever.

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>>59001398
How old are you? From the release of the first Athlons through the dual core Athlon 64s, AMD made the best enthusiasts CPUs. Only after Intel came out with the Core 2 line did AMD lose the higher end market; even then AMD has had some processors that are competitive at their price points, like the Phenom II chips.

So is the FX series viable for poorfags now?

>Ram prizes expensive af
>AMDumbs want me to buy their new ware

no

>>59001800
The FX 6300 is $90 or less in some places, but its pretty shit compared to an intel i3 now.
The low end of Ryzen is $130~ and has 70%+ more IPC than Vishera at massively lower power.

I wouldn't take an AM3+ system if it was free.

Anyone can shine light over those PRO versions tthat are in listings? What are the differences between normal 1700 ryzen? Do they have PSP inside? Lazing out PSP from pleb/normie/gamer tier chips and selling pro shit only to companies would limit chances of hobbyst haxors breaking their psp like they gutted intel ME.