Atom is the new vim. Get over it.

>>58974721
I'd say it's the new sublime.

A tiny text editor that I can expect to work almost exactly the same on every system I interact with?

>>58974721
Open 10MB text.
Open Big project.

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I feel like I'm alone in my intense zealotry of GNU nano, but it really is the best editor!

>>58974721
Can you run it over SSH?
>no

>>58974721
If it was, why are you constantly making threads about it?

That looks pretty shitty desu

I'll stick with vim. It's reliable and I've never had an issue

I don't even care if atom is a web browser, I don't want a 300MB editor on my computer.

VS Code is no different.

>>58974786
Seconded

>>58974786
This

Pretty much the only sane non-GUI editor.

>>58974753
this
Vim/vi is a different niche. You'd only use it if
-You are completely used to it and don't want to use something else
-You are in a headless environment for whatever reason
-You have it extensively customized to suit your workflow.

Atom has its place for sure, but it doesn't make sensee to compare it to Vi(m)

>>58974721
I would rather use sublime or notepad2 or go back to scintilla than use a html+css+js abomination of a text editor

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>>58974915
>>58974894
>>58974786
A CHALLENGER APPEARS

>>58974786
I really like nano to be fair.

>>58974805
>you can't run graphical applications through SSH

>>58974721
it sucks balls

>>58974786

Yeah bitch I nano on my phone all day!

>>58975353
try ssh -X

>>58974786
I prefer micro

bad b8 m8

>>58974786
> not using cat to edit text

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>>58975353
>he keeps a needless full blown graphical environment installed on his servers

>>58975353
>>58975654

Speed is an issue, retards.

>>58974854
Right. Which is why you are scum... and that's the point of this thread.

>>58974721
the fucker literally uses 1 GiB of RAM.
worst quality bait OP.

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>launching a web browser every time you want to edit a file

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>>58974721
Emacs with Evil is the new Vim, you clod.

>>58974721
Says the PHP programmer. lmao

>>58974936
>Vim/vi is a different niche. You'd only use it if

You forgot one:

-You are continually logging into lots of various Linux boxes, and want a 100% guarantee that your editor is always available.

I do lots of installs of new Linux VMs, and I use Raspberry Pis, and such. Vim is everywhere I need to go, and it's always there by default.

For Windows, I just have a standard vim directory that I copy onto the machine, including a special "console.bat" file that sets the %PATH% correctly to use it.

>>58976093
>Vim is always there by default
I think you mean Vi

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>>58974721
you have 1 microsecond to name a single reason to use atom over vs code

>>58974786
After having to use vim for so many years, it feels really lacking.

>>58974721
Atom is absolute shit.
Why the fuck would people choose to us a terrible web-app-in-wrapper?

>>58974721
>Press Ctrl+Shift+I in Atom
>Literally a stripped-down Chromium browser
>Literally a web app disguised as a desktop app
Absolutely haram.

>>58974721
Come to think of it, it may be the new VIM. I've started using it after seeing it some Python tutorials and it is a great tool.

It lacks built-in python terminal like sublime but I'm using run-in-terminal to launch python3 with F5 like IDLE.

I have it on my wife's laptop in case I have to do anything from there.

I still use VIM but Atom may start taking over...

Ed is the standard text editor.

>>58977572

Discord and the new Skype are exactly that.

>>58976263
Does VS Code still phone home to Microsoft?

>>58980041
There's a setting to disable telemetry

>>58974721
Atom is a weird editor.
It is made by the github guys, people who are clueless on desktop applications, yet run a service where you easily download source code so you can compile it on your own.
Strongest argument is you don't have to compile it on windows like you did with kate.
But the editor had git integration, surely that is unique.

>>58980104
Like in Windows 10? Or on Vizio TVs?

>>58976093
Vim is not the default.
On Ubuntu the package is even mislabeled tricking people into installing the wrong one.

>>58979935
?

>>58976022
What theme

>>58980221
Got a unix/unix-like OS? Type ed in the terminal and have fun.

Then see https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html

>>58980311
I don't think any modern Linux distribution ships ed by default.

>>58976263
does it still have a dedicated tweet button on the screen at all times?

>>58980311
That's the most autistic thing I've read this year.

>>58975353
You can with X11 forwarding

>>58980321
it's in ubuntu 16.10

>>58974721
Does it still use coffeescript? I can deal with lot of things but fuck that shit, mixing ruby with javascript is a terrible idea.

>>58975737
it's further evidence /g/ does not real work.

>>58976022
Been there, done that.
Vim is vim and Emacs is Emacs.
No matter how many plugins you have in vim, it'll never be as powerful as Emacs
No matter how much you try to emulate vim in emacs, it just won't be the same.
If you want vim use vim, if you want emacs use emacs,
If you want to edit text and remain sane, use something else.

>>58980273
Gruvbox

>>58982230
So you're saying that if I want Emacs' power but I also want Vim keybindings, I should just fuck myself with a baseball bat instead of installing Evil?

>>58982268
>I should just fuck myself with a baseball bat
Never said that anon, but, whatever floats your boat. IME, Evil is kinda like vim but not fully is you've been actually using it for a long time.

>>58982286
What's missing? I've been using Vim long enough to know the basic set of keybindings are super useful, and most of the meta-editing features have easy equivalents in Emacs and Elisp.

>>58982364
Last time I checked, circa 2014

>text objects
>mouse support
>some weird clashing for commands that began with control or meta, tho not all of them.

>>58974721
atom is LITERALLY TRASH,worst performance ever.


Sublime it's the best out there,even fucking VS CODE (Microshit,lol) is better across all platforms than atom.

What the hell is emacs? I use it, but only for the keyboard shortcuts.

>ran in a browser

No

>>58982467
>What the hell is emacs?
Love and life.

>>58976045
Not even that. It's Wordpress. It's like the retarded kid who ate glue in class who wanted to be a PHP developer but needs a bloated crutch to lean on.

> Doesn't work of SSH without remote X and X11 forwarding.

GTFO

>>58974721
>uses javascript and chromium as base
D R O P P E D .
Vim is still the best. Get over it.

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>>58974721

>ubuntu

the only people who actually care about this shit are teenagers. the day you set foot into any real office is the day you discover that nobody actually cares about this petty bullshit.

>>58974721
>browser used as a text editor that can't be used without a GUI
It will never be the new Vim. I'd use Notepad before I used Atom.

>>58982697
this

>Anon, did you finish the report
>Not yet, I can't properly set $TEXT_EDITOR to work with $LATEX_OR_EQUIVALENT to generate the PDF's for the meeting
>uh... ok, just remember to also attach the excel files so we all have a copy

if anything nano is the new vim

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>>58980639

>>58974721
bloat loaded garbage. don't even dare to compare it with sublime

Sorry, atom is nice but it doesn't beat the functionality of vim.

It's vim mode plugin was garbage last I checked.

Why would anyone prefer shit tier Atom vs high tier Sublime? It's literally better in every way unless you're a monkey web """dev"""

>>58976093
>Vim is everywhere I need to go
Clearly you are a noob sysadmin.

>>58983476
hi. you seem to be clinically retarded. Do you need assistance getting back into bed perhaps?

>>58982230
>No matter how much you try to emulate vim in emacs, it just won't be the same.
False. Emacs is the text editor equivalent of Turing complete, Vim is not. You can implement games like Nethack and editors like acme in Emacs.

The reason no Vim emulators in Emacs are 100% accurate is because Emacs is simply superior to Vim for the non-accurate parts, so you'd be a fool to emulate Vim's inferior functionality.

>>58974721
>based on js
>basically a web browser
>slows down to a halt at >1000 lines
that shit is never replacing vim

>>58974721
atom is a piece of steaming shit. it is in fact somewhat of a miracle that you can write a text editor so badly that its performance is actually an issue in 2017. if you even fancy calling yourself a programmer you should simply refuse something so poorly written on aesthetics ground alone.

>>58983531
Exactly. Pajeets could have designed it better. What reason is there to base a text editor on webkit?

>>58983557
Well it does have the advantage of being extremely easy to customize. The power of css selectors makes it so you can tweak anything and everything to your liking.

In vim you have to do regex groups and color the ground matches to get the same kind of functionality.

Sadly, atoms cons outweigh it's benefits.

>>58974721
Wait, what??
So atom now supports VIM commands?
:tabedit filename.extention
gt - next tab
registers?
split windows?
Can run in terminal???
Not bloated?

Oh mai gad, I love atom now!!!

too much rice in atom

>>58974721
As somebody who actively uses both, it's not.

>>58975659
thank you for enlightening me. I like it quite a bit.

>>58976022
neovim is the new vim

>>58974721
really ? atom is installed on every POSIX system by default ? when did that happen ?

>>58975659
thats because you have micro penis

>>58974721
word

>>58974786

You are not. The times i have to use a non-gui editor, it's always nano. Nano is easy, simple and doesn't get in your way. Ofc i don't program projects with it, but for remote editing of configs and small files it's perfect.
>>58975353

>>58979919

Don't lie on the internet

>May start.

Atom will never replace a cli editor. Never. And it's already pretty big, but that's it, it's not gonna blow up and be the next thing, because it's a fucking heavy web app for desktop. FOR EDITING FILES.

>>58974753
>I'd say it's the new sublime.

Lmao

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Vi the old one. Vi has been since the dawn of unix and always will be. Vi is eternal.

The meme editor written in Javascript know as "Atom" will pass on and die just like the hipster javascript framework of the week does. It is inevitable.

Yes let the trendy web developer butthurt flow through you.

>>58980999
Which is incredibly slow because, unlike Windows Remote Desktop, it sends actual pixmaps over the network instead of vectorial descriptions of the screen.

>Windows wins this round

>>58984737
whereas you have a nano penis?

>>58985463
better than micro

>>58974721
>not preinstalled on anything
>buggy, slow electron mess
>less plugins and the existing plugins are ported sublime plugins which are badly ripped off vim plugins in the first place
but sure, it comes with pretty colors out of the box XXXDDDD

>wordpress

HAHAHAHAHA, WHAT A FUCKING CUNT

>>58985466
nano = 10^-9
micro = 10^-6

>>58974721
Atom is modal?

>>58985683
Everything is modal, if you squint enough.

>>58974721
whatever that works for you dude, Vim has the best plugins for Rust and I'll stick to Vim in Qterminal for the rest of my life

>>58974936
Do you guys have any good books or tutorial on vim , seriously everyone say it's the best but you mean the terminal version or the gui ? Because submile text is way more user freindly

>>58974753

Have fun opening a 500mb SQL dump in that sack of crap.

>>58974721
Visual Studio Code is the same thing, but faster, better engineered.

>>58986545
run vimtutor in a terminal, it'll show you the basics in ~30 minutes

>>58986712
Ok thanks you , gonna check it out , because personally when i use it rather than sublime it's a waste of time mostly but i hear everyone say how awesome it is all the time

VIM is the GENTOO of Text Editors

Atom is fine

Its not about WHAT editor to use ... a good programmer can write good code in notepad, atom or whatever

a bad one can write bad shit in VIM lol

>Not using ed
Why are plebs even allowed on the internet?

>>58974786
Isn't Vim more powerful? Once you've adapted, at least.

>>58986768
when you know what youre doing with it, writing becomes much faster

>>58974786
nano is no longer affiliated with GNU

What do people think of NeoVim?

Is it exactly like Vim? I don't get the purpose.

>>58986925
on nano-editor.org it's still listed as GNU nano
and the last news update was january 10 2017
did something happen since then or are you just confused?

>>58986959
It has Neo in the name so it's better

slow slow slow slow

why the fuck would anyone use this turd

i don't care if it has the best features

it's a text editor made from javascript for gods sake

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>>58974721
Looks like YOU need and ice cold Vim!

>>58986925
>>58987428
It was brought back into the GNU project after those shenanigans iirc.

>>58986959
It's heavily refactored (which Bram won't allow on the mainline) and has more functionality including true color support, an included terminal emulator and tons of other things.

Myself I switched to neovim merely for the plugin support, you couldn't do something like deoplete on mainline vim 7 and you can't do something like LSP support now on vim 8.

>>58974721
I prefer nano

>>58979892
"Forget about C#, we all should use Javascript to make desktop applications".

>>58987597
So it actually diverges somewhere (from an end user perspective) ?

Considering that I'm just starting, and I didn't understand the other half of what you said, I think I'll stick to vim for now.

>>58987846
it's kinda neat for hacking together shit as a proof of concept or whatever but it's such a bloated mess in production use that nobody should bother with it once they've raised enough shekels to hire some real native developers and build something that doesn't need to spawn 20 background processes and eat half your ram to render an email message or whatever

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>mfw Google Employees use Atom

NEETs on /g/ use VIM

Rly meks u fink

>>58974721

~$ ssh qa-centos001c
Last login: Sat Jan 28 05:35:44 2017
~$ atom
zsh: command not found: atom

hmmm

>>58987966
>someone who barely ever codes uses the flavour of the month meme editor
colour me surprised

anyone who spends most of their time coding probably uses whatever the fuck they want

t. sublime & visual studio user

>>58988088
This is why I learned the basics of vi, whenever I'm messing with linux or bsd I know it'll be there for me

NOTEPAD++ MASTER RACE REPORTING IN

>>58986639
I did this as a prank at work the other day.

Had to restart the machine.

>>58988179
>t. sublime & visual studio user
Same here.

>>58987934
that would destroy half the functionality of the topic of this conversation

>>58987471
>why the fuck would anyone hire this turd
>i don't care if she has the best qualifications
>she's BLACK for gods sake

>>58988658
kek

>>58986545
Try playing vim adventures. I teaches the basic key bindings in the form of a game. unfortunately only the first couple levels are free

>>58974721
a poor man's Sublime. like it.

>>58983499
So are you saying you is not possible fully emulate vim in emacs? Or the opposite?

>>58974721
>wants to be a text editor
>startup time of an IDE
It's fucking chromium based but even Chrome starts faster than it.

>>58983119
even if you're a monkey webdev, huh. Sublime cannot be beaten by a slow pile of shitscript

>>58988557
this. Perfect combo

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who /joe/ hier

>not using LightTable

>>58987915
Unless you're heavily invested in vim, you won't immediately notice the difference (except for that terminal emulator) but do know that there is one.

As for right now, .vimrcs are almost entirely compatible between the two.

anything other than sed is bloat

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>>58974721

> fell for atom.io meme
> comes with own package manager
> why doesn't it use apt
> mfw

>>58993854
what about ex?

>>58974721
It requires a javascript runtime (NodeJS). Is that really necessary? What's wrong with Vim?

>>58991123
What does your desktop look like, bro

>>58994568
not everyone uses a babby distro

>>58989428
It's possible to fully emulate Vim in Emacs, but no one is going to do it.

>>58974786
For what purpose? It's like preferring Notepad over Notepad++.

>>58996817
notepad only edits text and has a search and replace

gnu nano has syntax highlighting and many other programming-centric features

>>58982230
>it'll never be as powerful as Emacs
>Emacs' power

What can Emacs do that Vim can't?

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>>58974721
I like Komodo Edit. Been using it since version 4.x.

They all look exactly alike. And where the hell is the Outline in any of these? The auto-complete is decent, but where the hell is recommended action? Do I seriously have to write the import out myself? And the debug view is worse than the one built into Chrome.

1 step to the side and 5 steps back.

Oh, but it's black by default. So yeah.

>>58974721
Person using unity trying to be taken seriously.
Hope you are a troll.

>>58979892
popcorn time

Trying to setup Atom to run java in-editor a-la Script package. How do I get Atom to recognize the JDK on Solus? All tutorials I've found are for Windows and I can't seem to get it working.

>>58974964
Fuck outta here

>>58985463
rekt

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>>58974964

vim
nano to configure make.conf to compile vim
Kate for graphic
Notepad++ for Windows/NT

>>58975659
Looks neat, thanks

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>>58998986
Edit LaTeX like this. I tried really hard to get vim to do this and failed miserably.

>>58974753
I'm currently using sublime. What are the advantages of atom over sublime?

>>59002327
>What are the advantages of atom over sublime?
None, it actually feels sluggish. I've used both and currently sticking to sublime.

>>58974721
kakuone is the new vim
as is vis

>>59002384
I thought nvim was the new vim

>>58974721
>vim
Nothing could be as terrible as that.

>>59002408
depends. if you want the new vim to have only the good bits about the old vim, those editors mentioned in >>59002384 are good at being new vims
if the new vim should also contain the bad bits about old vim, nvim is your new vim.

>>58988517
Gets the job done fine

How fast can you switch between different files across different subdirectories in Vim? (can you do it faster than with treeview+mouse in a gui editor?)
I work in an area where I have to do that constantly but Vim seems to be focused on just a a couple of files per session rather than a full project interaction (at least that's my impression, hopefully I'm wrong).

>>59002521
if you give vim a list of files as an argument at startup, switching between them involves the hit of a keybind.
If you only gave it one file as argument, then later you realize you need to edit a different file (two directories up or something) in the same session, this will involve typing

:e ../../example_directory/example_file.c

Alternatively, you can keep the built-in filebrowser open in a different split/tab and navigate that with hjkl (and what other binds that filebrowser has). if you're comfortable with that control scheme, I'm sure one can be much faster like that than by grabbing the mouse and clicking on a thing.

>>58986639
kek

>>59002521
>Vim seems to be focused on just a a couple of files per session rather than a full project interaction
that's correct. It can open a multitude of files at once, but it doesn't really think of them as one project (as vim is not made for editing files of any specific language (but all text files), that also would not make a lot of sense). There are multitude of language specific plugins, and the extent of functionality they provide varies. I'm sure there's one that lets you e.g. jump to the definition of the function you're currently in, regardless of whether the definition is somewhere else, or that pipes compiler messages into a different editor tab/split.

>>58986639
Why does it load the whole file?

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>javascript editor

>>59002623
Thanks, I'll give it a go an see if I can git gud
>>59002668
Does that mean if I use a big monolithic framework, Vim is not the right choice?

>>59002758
>Vim is not the right choice?
As much as people in /g/ despise IDE's, they are geared to handle framework(s). Otherwise you will have to go, do a shitloads of configs for vim and external tools (like ctags) and you will still missing out in some features that an IDE has. Like a visual, editable debugger.

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Super comfy editor, but admittedly slow to start up

>>59002809

(defn terminate 
  [self]
  ))

>>59002809
The amount of vertical space wasted there makes me cringe so hard.

Why do you Linux users inflict 1366x768 upon yourself and then use shitty DE like gnome?

>>58986639
This desu. Dem millenials are dumb as fuck.
This is the price to pay of wanting to use Javascript everywhere, instead of just using a clean and fast C or C++ code.

>>59002327
This

>>58974721
>freezes up every time I try to open a large file
>cannot be used over ssh
Are you retarded OP?

>>59002850
you can use devilspie/devilspie2 to hide the menu bar and auto maximize things on gnome 3, though i wouldn't use pajeetware like gnome and hipsterware like atom in the first place

>>58974721
>easy to use, free and open-source with tons of plugins
>can be modified to cover everything your workflow requires
>hated by /g/ because MEMES and because it can't run on their thinkpad running Arch

>>59002850
I like GNOME but to save the whooping 90 fucking pixels of vertical space that it uses for literally no reason I just stick with Unity.

>>58974721
Is it Free?

>>59004020
It's not terminal based and can't handle large files. I don't see it as mysterious that it's not well liked when text editor users tend to like both those features.

When I interview people the first question I ask is Emacs or Vim. If the answer isn't Emacs the interview ends right there and then

>>59004199
have you filled the tendies delivery position yet

>>59004199
>not hiring people because of arbitrary preferences that has no impact on their quality of work
I didn't want to work at your shitty circlejerking start-up anyway.

>>58996574
You can run Vim in Emacs ansi-term buffer

4coder will be pretty cool once it releases.

atom is the new emacs

emacs: eight megabytes and constantly swapping
atom: a terabyte of memory

>>59004269
vim isnt as slim as i once thought , compile it with support for fucking everything and its pretty bulky, that's why my linux of choice is gentoo

>>59004237
Preference of Vim over Emacs speaks of shit taste and is indicative of a bad code monkey..

The coolest thing about emacs is that there is no real "plugin" system.

Every third-party package you get will run lisp code and integrate itself with emacs. There are no sandoxes, no boundaries. An enabled package will become part of emacs, and can do really cool stuff with the editor that typical plugin-based editors won't allow to be done.

That's why emacs is so powerful. You can extend it to do anything you want. You can even have it change the basic functions of the editor itself, since most of emacs' functionality is implemented in lisp.

>>59004391
You can't even order pizza from Vim..

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>>59002850
>tfw i3 @ 2560*1440

I like GNU nano because it doesn't let you rice it or waste your time writing shitty plugins in order to boost your epeen.

Go look at man nanorc, you don't need more than that.

>>59004391
Also, emacs has an interface for creating standard TCP and UDP sockets, meaning you can write a server in 100% emacs lisp.

An HTTP server that runs inside emacs:
https://github.com/skeeto/emacs-web-server

>>58974777

nano?

haha hi guys I use gedit what's going on in this thread?

>>59004494
that's so useful

>>59004199
Why isn't the superior TE on your list of options.

Nano.

vim is the new vim.
but seriously, i'm a C coder, what does Atom offer me?

>>59004909
>C coder
Maybe you could find a job

>>59004975
I have a job. I'm a systems programmer, not some JavaScript weenie.

>>58974786

nano works if you're rarely in a cli environment and don't have the time to learn shit

>>58974964
How intensely autistic do you have to be to use something like this?

Who here /spacemacs/?

>>58981982
t. pajeet

If you're going for feature-rich editor, VSC is the way to go. Vim + VSC is a nice environment.