>low cost ($10~$20) 50/10 broadband was about to roll out

>>58972215
>Should've never fallen for the dumb /pol/ trump meme
It's called hierarchical issue voting, ShareBlue. Compared to the border enhancement, the deregulation of healthcare and the economy plan, the internet is a really minor thing.
I hate this Pajeet as much as the next /g/entooman but for fuck's sake.

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>>58972215
>mfw trumpcucks are all poorfags

>>58972248
Agreed, but the internet is NOT a minor thing

it is the last bastion of freedom, not even memeing

>>58972248
obamacare is a bad law face it

>>58972263
Well off people could have gotten 300mbps for like $100 too but now it'll stay $500 forever

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>>58972285
>mfw I'm getting 1gbit for 50€
might suck to be amerifat

>>58972215
kek. he says he wants gigabit to rural areas too.

>>58972215
>>low cost ($10~$20) 50/10 broadband was about to roll out THIS YEAR
yeah, the way it was supposed to roll out every year since 1996, right?

kill yourself, shill.

>>58972280
It's a bad law, but let's not pretend it started out that way before being neutered by congress and redesigned to punish the poor

>>58972280
It's a decent law with parts that are popular and parts that aren't. It's pretty much the best we can do with what we have because the republicans don't want to cooperate to implement a single payer system or even a public option.

>>58972334
but now it can never happen because its a "novelty"

>>58972263
It's called the working class

>>58972334
It's already out for people living in poverty. The 2017 rollout was for median income households, aka 95% of Internet subscribers.

>>58972215
You forgot the part where he also wanted to kill net neutrality. I guess trump fags seriously want to sever ties with this website the only way they know how- by having a business tell them what they can and can't do

>>58972343
>the best we can do is to fuck over the middle class (again) while subsidizing health care for welfare leeches
wew

>>58972339
oh no it started nice and then republicans threw a fit and screwed it all up they are the reason for the idiotic mandate and the fines

>>58972369
trumpfags are extreme newfag cancer and were never part of the site

>>58972397
this post was paid for by shareblue

>>58972372
Healthcare is all about the healthy paying for the unhealthy. The problem we have is that we have a free market based system which still has few regulations in place. Other countries with free market systems have strict price controls to prevent companies from exploiting vulnerable "customers", America just expected companies to compete but they only competed for the healthy individuals, the unhealthy individuals fell by the wayside. ACA equalized the market so now health individuals are equally screwed but to a lesser extent in some ways. We wont completely solve this problem until we implement a single payer system, provide a public option, or we implement price controls.

>>58972343
>if you dont buy health insurance you deserve to pay a fine

that is a bad law

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/pol/ are fucking retards

>>58972466
>typical amerifat doesn't understand how insurance works

LOL

>>58972466
It's not a fine it's a tax drumpftard.

>>58972452
the only people screwed in ACA are the middle class. the plans for the wealthfare leeches are heavily subsidized. meanwhile, the plans for anyone that actually has anything that can be considered a career have the premiums increase every year. the deductibles are complete shit. the rich don't give a fuck about ACA so it doesn't bother them.

also, how are we going to pay for single payer? taxes in the US are already shit. the federal tax rates might be lower than in other countries, but the state, and property taxes are complete shit. taxes on a decent house in chicago suburbs will be around 10k per year.

>>58972526
its a fine and it doesnt need to exist

>>58972504
no one should have to buy insurance

>>58972540
>also, how are we going to pay for single payer?
We raise taxes a bit. The savings from not paying a private company 2-3x what the medical treatments are worth will offset the small increase in taxes.

>>58972544
People who need to have it and can't should have insurance. People who don't want to have it shouldn't have to get it. This is apparently too hard a concept to grasp for some people.

>>58972540
I would say this person freely drives on roads paid by others but then I remembered that NEETs like this probably don't even have their license.

>>58972452
>Let's let the businesses take care of peoples health!

What could go wrong?

>>58972567
this is exactly what i mean i do not want insurance but they seem to think i should have it

>>58972215
You never get good internet, you just pay some hundred billions for it.

That's how it works when money owns the goverment.

http://newnetworks.com/broadbandscandals.htm

>>58972554
>prices will lower when companies know that the government will be forced to pay them no matter what

>>58972567
No one wants to pay for healthcare, if you make it a strict requirement that companies cover people with pre-existing conditions but not force people to have insurance then people are going to not going to pay for insurance and only apply for it when they get sick. That is not a workable solution.

>>58972215
There's literally no reason taxpayers should be subsidizing internet service.

Get a job, you NEET losers.

>>58972682
>I don't know what net neutrality is

Hello, Trump.

>>58972623
People with pre existing conditions should pay a higher price for insurance.

>>58972280
> Obamacare
What other option do independent contractors have? Many American developers have to lead lives as wagecucks merely because of the health insurance factor.

He's aiming for 1 gbps you massive faggot.

>>58972700
> People with pre existing conditions should pay a higher price for insurance.

You're not going to be 23 forever son.

>>58972701
single payer like the ACA was meant to be before getting mutated into shit

>>58972567
Health care is a societal issue.

If you as a society are unwilling to let people die on the streets or become disabled or otherwise unable to do their chosen jobs over not having bought insurance, then you just need public health care.

Nobody but richfags will buy health insurance. Virtually everyone will get more or less severe health issues anyhow. And the severe health issues will simply be nothing people can pay for.

Society doesn't actually have to support this kind of gambling, because it's a bad idea for it.

>>58972739
That's why I do this remarkable thing called "planning" and "saving" for anticipated future costs.

>>58972600
>Let's let the businesses take care of peoples health!
>What could go wrong?
This is exactly how a lot of Americans really think, mind-boggling to me

CTR literally shilling with racist memes on /g/

how desperate

>>58972567
I went through 3 providers over 2 two years and not place near by (within 30 miles) took my insurance. What sucked was that the one time I found I place that did take it, it was only the Gold plan, and not the Silver which I could barely afford.

Still have not been able to see a doctor, and all the money I spent on Obama care I could have used to actually see a doctor.

>>58972746
So how many 100k do you have, and did / do you have it for the duration of your life?

You could require surgery and prolonged medical attention from the moment you're born to the moment you die, after all.

And as far as I know, most people -regardless of health bills- don't even leave this much money behind in their inheritance no matter what.

Basically, it's a risk you alone can't even really cover.

>>58972754
There are so many who are brainwashed to think that companies have their best interest in mind. You might be shitposting but it's so true it's frightening in the real world.

>>58972746
Let's see how for that planning gets you when some distracted driver swings in your lane and the car collision leaves you severely impaired for life. Or you develop a brain tumor or MS when you turn 40.

>>58972746
man fuck that lets go out and get blacked and buy birth control and shit

>>58972773
/r/the_donald wants you back

>>58972746
Not everyone has the luxury of living with their parents until they're 30 and saving up 5k for their future first set of out-of-pocket insulin from working at McDonalds as assistant manager.

>>58972816
I don't know where you're from but most 40 year olds I know are perfectly fine, and I'll take my chances. :^)

>>58972816
it should be illegal for an insurance company to deny someone with a pre existing condition insurance period

>>58972745
There is nothing wrong with letting people who can't afford care die in the street. Taxpayers shouldn't pay millions of dollars for some bum's chemotherapy to extend his life by 10 months.

>>58972623

I hate health care before this.. then out of the blue I diagnose with Myasthenia Gravis.

the meds around 4-6k per month and I can't work anymore...

you guys really should pay for that healthcare insurance

>>58972343
Neither did the Democrats under Obama who had a supermajority, but instead elected to pay back their donors by bending over to Republicans.

>>58972773
Do you honestly believe that CTR still exists? Why would the hillary campaign continue to pay for it after the election has been over for months?

>>58972846
You are an idiot.


Just remember that a single accident can leave you hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, people with savings and planning have literally been left in bankruptcy after one wrong move.

If it happens to you, THEN you'll be crying for help.

This is what's wrong with humanity, people like this guy who don't think about the future or what other people are going through until it happens to them.

>>58972846
Yea, and your family, friends, work place and society along with it, because if you hit the actually common "get rekt" flag in health, it's suddenly also their problem if they have some morals and don't drop you completely.

If they don't, nobody will care to even do enough of the possible medical procedures to keep you at work.

Even if it's a net loss overall, people don't plan to gamble that YOUR health should be restored for an overall profit in 10y+. Not if they're not almost sure they can't make you pay for 20y+, heh.

>>58972215
high speed broadband is a novelty anyway.

Who actually needs highspeed internet? No one.

>>58972915
"The Hillary campaign" was the DNC. They didn't go anywhere. I'm not even the Anon to whom you're replying but come on.

>>58972955
>>>/g/
>>>/e/
>>>/t/

>>>/t/
>>>/h/
>>>/e/

>>>/f/
>>>/u/
>>>/ck/

>>>/out/

>>58972914
Obama did want a public option but one particular democratic senator (http://www.politico.com/story/2009/11/lieberman-brushes-off-critics-029698) was very against the idea and screwed the entire thing up. What we got was a compromise to this particular senator it's a solution very similar to the one that republican governor Mitt Romney signed into law for his state.

I think the main problem with the ACA is not the law itself but that the democrats and/or Obama proposed it.

>>58972915
They literally just got millons more in funding

>>58972927
>>58972942
I'll pay for it with all the money I saved from not paying thousands in insurance premiums every year. :^)

>>58972993
I'm not sure exactly what your point is

>>58973021
Butthurt liberal detected.

>>58973021
nice

>>58973033
Their funding is public record

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00578997

I don't see any new millions in funding, what are your sources?

>>58973035
Then you weren't asking your question in good faith. That's why an answer to it would be lost on you. So transparently rhetorical.

>>58973032
Here's how he should have handled it.
>press conference
>"we wanted a public option, but Lieberman prevented us. I want his constituents to know that."
>his political career is over
Democrats can't play politics at all.

>>58973021
No seriously, it would cost a fortune to provide broadband to every rural customer. For what benefit? So they can watch Netflix? Our government should spend billions so people can watch 4k netflix?

Trump is wrong about net neutrality, but the other good things he's doing far outweigh it. Get the country in order first, fix the internet later.

>>58973075
How are we supposed to upload our ghosts on the Net in the future?

>>58972894
>There is nothing wrong with letting people who can't afford care die in the street.

Yes there is, you'll understand once you're older

>>58972894
> There is nothing wrong with letting people who can't afford care die in the street.
Yea, there is. A society that will almost immediately kill you for being too poor (most people can't cover a 10k emergency surgery) is just completely useless.

I'm in society for the very fact that we can efficiently secure our well-being as a group.

Never mind we'll simply loose too many people who are ultimately not free to replace. Be it experienced car mechanics or university graduates.

> Taxpayers shouldn't pay
Yes, they should. We should agree to which level we guarantee health interventions and restoration for everyone as is needed for society and just fund that.

Same as we decide at what level we try to guarantee other things.

>>58972894
>There is nothing wrong with letting people who can't afford care die in the street
>*Until me or someone I know is dying on the street
>**Until someone who can't afford healthcare mugs me or someone I know on the street so they can obtain money for care

t. trumpledyte

>>58972955
Every house should be connected to the internet, but should it be broadband? I don't believe so.

>>58973064
I'd reply to this but you wouldn't understand my answer

>>58972773
>implying /g/ ever liked pajeets
>implying /g/ ever not liked fast Internet

>>58973109
>Every house should be connected to the internet
Nice socialism there.

Thank god for Trump and his administration cutting off the free internet to the poor and disabled.

Only honest hardworking Americans should get their 10/1 internet for $99.99 / month

>>58973052
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/david-brock-fundraising-trump-233974

Eat shit and die

>>58972215
>subsidizing home internet

It's called the library. While we're at it, abolish EBT and bring back bread lines. Lazy welfare asses shouldn't have convience

>>58973138
Explain how that is socialism

>>58973034
No, you won't. Insurance pays the average case.

You, individually, may have to pay a more expensive case. You don't necessarily have enough saved up for these even if you DID save up an equal amount.

And the average person will NOT save up nearly enough money either way.

>>58972927
This. The problem with conservatards is they have no foresight. Even if you show them how something will affect them negatively later as the result of their actions, they'll simply dismiss it because the only thing they can see is that they might have to pay or work more in the now.

Climate change? I don't give a fuck I'll be dead by then! Some businesses will figure it out! Nepotism treated me well, you just gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps!

>>58973152
Government will have to pay for it. That's why Europe has such good internet , tax dollars funded it.

>>58973142
He has multiple PACs that aren't CTR and we can see on the record that CTR hasn't received any funds as of yet

>>58973100
No one is killing anyone. They are just not choosing to give a service for free. How far should society go into perserving life then? Should we pay for cryogenic freezing of every citizen?

>>58973182
Government is willing to pay for broadband infrastructure expansion in the US too, as a first step toward that. The problem is that telcos have taken the money, barely laid any of the wire they said they would over the course of years and then literally told the government to fuck off over breach of contract.

>>58973183
Your checks are still cashing I see. And do you understand the concept of quarterly reports?

>>58973182
And this is bad because?

>>58973152
Because its either forcing people to pay for internet, ala Obamacare, or having the government pay for the internet, ala Obamacare.

>>58973138
I bet this fucking commie drives on public roads lmao

Back to Russia, human waste.

>>58973202
still not the mark of a good, successful society

>>58973145
>breadlines becomes a thing
>this faggot waits 2 hours in a grocery store to check out
>"wtf I hate myself now"

>>58972215
>low cost ($10~$20) 50/10 broadband was about to roll out THIS YEAR to all Americans making under 60k

Said who? This doesn't sound feasible. I'd rather pay more for better speed by the Trump administration making ISPs competitive and allowing municipal broadband.

>>58973237
Ok then well I better get some cryogenic freezing.

>>58973223
I do, yes. So what you are saying is that we agree that there is still no hard evidence.

Okay friend

>>58973145
But then you'll drive prices up at Walmart. You pay either way, but you wouldn't understand that because you have double-digit IQ.

>>58973230
US citizens would die if they realised they already lived in a socialist state

>>58972682
Good luck applying to any job now. Most jobs require an online application and won't even consider a printed/written CV

>>58973182
Nah it's the companies that did. Fiberoptics have reached villages now too.

>>58973177

How does the gibberish you wrote tie into anything?

>>58973225
Its my tax dollars, we are trillions in the red, and I seriously don't care cleatus and shaquina can't watch 4k Netflix

>>58972540
You already pay essentially. Hospitals can't refuse patients but patients who go to the hospital will be charged. So poor people just don't go to the hospital until something major happens and then they refuse to go until it becomes a huge problem.
However, just because you charge them for the care doesn't mean they can afford it so they just end up not paying it.

So, in one system everyone pays for national healthcare and people go to the hospital whenever they can, preventing a lot of outbreaks and bigger health problems and allows hospitals to bargain for prices collectively (economy of scale) rather then individually. All drastically lowering overall costs.
Currently we just have insurance companies where you usually collectively pay for with your boss who uses it as leverage to keep you working and not quiting, your medicine costs more because you are buying it individually, and you have pay for things that could be minor medical problems but instead you wait until the poor person is severely sick and pay for it when it's an emergency.
Congrats.

>>58973254
Paid shill defending another paid shill. How surprising.

>>58973286
But we're about to pay how much for a wall that won't work?

>>58973284
Oh my, what did that private school do to your brain? You poor thing.

>>58972617
Funny, collective bargaining and the economies of scale work for literally every other country in the world.

>>58973248
>utility
>competitive

lol

>>58973283
Not in Sweden they didn't

>>58973292
Or everyone now goes to the hospital for the common cold or a headache because why not it's free, and now you have to wait in line for a year to actually get any real treatment, and the hospitals charge $5000 to the government for every visit.

>>58973322
It will work as well as Israel's

In Norway we have better Internet on the countryside than in the cities.

>>58973334
Urgent care facilities would be free too, more accessible by location and with shorter waits simply because they're more numerous. It would also be great for people to get medical attention more frequently, even to reduce the severity and length of common illness through non-pharma treatments. Being sick is bad for your health; inflammatory response is being linked more strongly every day to diminished lifespan. Plus it's a chance for your vitals to be quickly looked over to get ahead of things like creeping weight gain, hypertension, etc.

>>58973414
Fuck I clicked the wrong post.

Meant for
>>58973344

hey remember when all of you guys voted in the republican primary for someone that wasn't going to fuck us over

yeah me neither

>>58973426
You deserve it for Obamacare

>>58973414
And where are you going to get all these doctors to work in these facilities?

>>58973271
Socialism for Wall Street bankers. Feudalism for the rest.

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Hey guys, commercial businesses have customers. So long as they want to keep their customer base they have to make that customer base happy. It's not like they would sell you something addicting and would give you cancer. Then no one would buy and they would go out of business right?

>>58973309
t. Some Euro-skinhead sitting in his parents basement in Belgrade opining on US healthcare.

>>58973202
> No one is killing anyone.
Society is by creating these rules.

> They are just not choosing to give a service for free.
We require a lot of things to be done for free, actually. But in this case, it wouldn't be free, but paid by society. It kinda has to be to work for shit.

Even on a basic level, capitalism can't work if you're in a coercive situation like that, but it's more than that, it's also about covering risks that are impossible to shoulder on your own.

> How far should society go into perserving life then? Should we pay for cryogenic freezing of every citizen?
That actually has to be determined by a set of rules and maybe the judgement of impartial officials tasked with spending the available money efficiently.

That said, I'd vote no on that specific one. It's not obviously going to help.

I will however vote yes, on say, funding any cost-effective preventative health care or fancy prosthetics that are known to work. And also reasonable health care at the end of your life.

>>58973344
No, this does not happen! Why do people actually shill this idea that the wait times are for years just because it's available to everyone? There's no validity to this. I've lived in a country with universal health care, it's paradise. Not a single person complains about it. My mom needed a advanced procedures many times and she got them with no wait.

>>58973414
What makes you think people will give a shit about their health when they can get any treatment for free? Why care about your weight and eating healthy when you can just sign up fot a liposuction every couple of years?

>>58973461
Robots, my man. Plus these facilities are staffed by nurses and PAs with a very limited number of doctors who mostly sign off on stuff. Remember I'm talking about taking blood pressure readings and instructing people on the use of an ice pack. Don't need an MD for that.

Seriously though there are significant difficulties in making something like that work. I'm only extolling the potential benefits of getting people under the eyes of a medical professional more often. It's a good thing for public health.

>>58973461
The same place where we get all the teachers to teach at 25k a year. Despite the job being incredibly important to our nation, we pay them dog shit. And no, I'm not talking about professors that will go about creating a course on 'Muh Liberal Art Hoomanities - Gender bender inequality in the sex industry.'

>>58973486
T. Some red blooded, corm fed, gun-toting, truck driving, trump voting hillbilly

>>58973344
Except that poor people have to go to work and no one wants to sit around at the hospital all day so they would go when they think they need to go and not for the common cold. Just like how it works in the rest of the world. Seriously, this has been tested repeatedly in multiple countries. It works and no one wants to adopt the American healthcare system because we all know it does not. It's more expensive and it's less effective.

>>58973515
Nothing, I just hope they do. Of course people can and will still make bad decisions. That's their business.

>>58973344
Sure more people would go to the doctor for minor things but there will also be more people going to the doctor with a serious health concern who could now be treated before it becomes more dangerous.

The medical field would probably become more competitive too so doctor or nursing jobs would get better wages and better working conditions.

>>58973528
Oh gee I can't wait for the same rigorous process that gives credentials to muh liberal arts hoomanities teachers to teach to also apply to my doctor.

>>58973475
Woah, I thought the war on drugs doesn't work, and prohibition leads to more crime. Really makes me think.

>>58973515
Oh yeah, liposuction is just like popping a pill in yer mouth.
>Quick!
>Easy!
>Painless!

Who wouldn't want to have that done to them every two or three years? Oh wait... 3 month recovery, pain up until then.

>>58973344
Doensn't happen.

And even if it did, you could still trivially add a $15 fee per case or some such small thing while you make of over the counter cold medicine in quantities adequate for self-medication free.

Guess what, people will go to the pharmacy almost for sure now instead.

>>58972315
Im from fucking mexico qnd i can get 100/20 for fucking $48.

I currently have 50/10 for $20.

>>58973568
What the hell does that have to do with anything?

>>58973564
They already do. If you have a black or minority Dr., They didn't get into med school because of their high scores

>>58973085
>Trump is wrong about net neutrality,

Actually, he's right. Net neutrality is just egalitarianism applied to the internet. People and companies should should pay more if they incur more costs. Netflix likes net neutrality because it saves them money, plain and simple, not because they want to make the internet " equal"

However, net neutrality doesn't matter anymore if Trump forces ISPs to compete with each other. Even less if Trump allows every community in the US to build their own broadband and manage it locally.

>>58972504
So explain it to us my brown friend, or you claiming to be from one of this falling apart socialist counties that doesn't even HAVE health insurance because letting 'amerifats' be your standing army allows you spend all your tax money on welfare?

>>58972343
>Boohoo muh Republicans are the ones that made it awful

The Democrats had a supermajority as well as using legal trickery to force it so that Republicans couldn't even filibuster it. Obamacare is a solely Democrat thing written by insurance company for the sole reason of doubling the profits of said insurance companies

>>58973644
>complains about regulation
>wants to force ISPs to compete
How do you suppose you are going to force ISPs to compete since they're already too big to fail? Deregulate them even more and encourage mergers?

>>58973748
1) Make it easier to competitors to move into communities. Comcast has a monopoly on certain parts of the US. Let everybody go in there and things change. Suddenly Comcast has to compete with little guys who want to provide fiber to a city or county. Prices drop.

2) Allow every community such as a city pay for and manage their own fiber network and sell it to customers if the local ISPs aren't fulfilling demand. Right now, there's laws against allowing such a thing in most parts of the US.

>>58973612
http://thehill.com/homenews/319818-trump-calls-for-ny-times-to-apologize-leaking-has-been-big-problem-in-washington-for

Lets be legit, if you are posting on a Korean Anal Cleansing Forum you probably are part of the poor useless retards who the system will cleanse in your bright new /pol/ future. Also, infrastructure spending is awesome for the working class but transportation and road spending may impact better than broadband wiring.

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>>58972601
Trump is /pol/'s greatest achievement yet.

The right has never been more powerful and the bubbling hatred emanating from the left is tearing them apart. With every act of terror, more people fling right and we all know a leftist is about to snap and make history.

>>58973692
The democrats did not actually have a supermajority. There was one "democrat" (officially an independent candidate) who threatened to filibuster any healthcare law that included a public option. Joe Lieberman is the reason we're stuck with a half-solution

>>58973644
Too bad that competion doesnt work at all when you only have 2 provider you're lucky usually you only have one and I know most company would fight the government for trying to have a municipal isp they sued them by and it won't stop them at all

>>58973798
>>58973748
Oh and this

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/the-21-laws-states-use-to-crush-broadband-competition

All Trump has to do is say fuck those laws, we need to build more infrastructure to help the American standard of living and grow the job market.

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>>58972215
So he saved the taxpayer millions in subsidized non-essential entertainment services for low wage, low IQ takers of society?
WTF I love pajeets now

>>58973828
(((Joseph Lieberman)))

>>58973825
I wonder what kind of presidential powers americans will let trump have on the next big terrorist attack.

>>58973844
I don't think AT&T and Comcast would allow other to have other lines available on their own poles they will fig hut the trump gov over it the cock suckers.

>>58973836
>most company would fight the government for trying to have a municipal isp they sued them by and it won't stop them at all

Trump can overrule them easily by simply saying that these companies are hurting the progress of American infrastructure and job creation and putting forth new legislation or even executive orders and the people would back him up at the local level and those states would flip within weeks.

>>58973798
They are already free to do so in most cases. They just aren't going to spend millions of dollars building a network in a community where everyone already has comcast.

And no, 'make comcast let all their competitors use their lines!' is not a solution. All that would result from that is no one ever building, improving, and possibly even fixing anything ever again.

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>tfw capitalism may collapse in on itself in your lifetime
>tfw twitter-addicted 12 year old newfag trump posters larping as white nationalists only helped accelerate the collapse of the system they thought they were perpetuating
/pol/ is retarded yet indirectly helpful. This next administration is already a complete shitshow, whereas Hillary would have just been the same slightly apologetic corporate shilling for the next 8 years. It has to get really fucking bad before it gets better.

>>58973692
No, there was short term insurance company benefit so they wouldn't go against it, but Obamacare was made to do three things in this order: introduce the idea of a government run option to the public, force most or all of the insurance companies out of the health business, then finally fail itself and require a full single payer system to replace it.

>>58973798
The competitors are bought up, the reason Comcast, Charter, Cox, and Time Warner are so big is because of mergers and they don't compete with each other. No one else even comes close to the amount of people covered, and besides, they actively work to prevent local startups and competition. Not only that every new ISP needs to lay their own lines or buy space off a bigger company.

>>58973844
Internet service should be considered a municipality, and regulated as such.

>>58973932
There's no specific need for ACA to fail it was just expected that at some point it would make more sense to replace it with something better. The original law allowed for a public option which could have allowed it to stick around indefinitely, private insurance companies would presumably be muscled out of the market over time so ultimately it probably would have turned into a single payer system.

>>58973932
You give corporate Democrats too much credit. They passed the Heritage Foundation plan as-is so the wouldn't piss of their donors.

>>58972215
>make the internet cheaper so even MORE retards can use it
Nah.

>Muslims
>Hate jews
>Hate women
>Hate globalists and banks
>Hate gays

>/pol/
>Hate women
>Hate gays
>Hate globalists and bankers
>Hate jews

>>Elects Jew and lobbyist into Presidency

You guys feel for the social justice warrior meme
Really makes you think

>>58972868
I haven't payed into the system for 40 years but now that smoking three packs a day and eating at McDonalds for every meal has made me 750 pounds and given me three kinds of cancer I demand to pay 150 dollars a month for my medical expenses!

>>58972268

No it isn't. Obama handed it away like the retarded fuck he was.

t. Sweden

>>58972280
When asked about it as a whole, most people hate it (like you). BUT, when asked about the individual parts of the ACA, everyone thinks they are good ideas.

The problem is that republicans have spent half a decade spewing out propaganda against it and laypeople (like you) have fallen for it.

>>58974169
"When people are asked what they think of obama care, they reply all it's done is sent their costs sky high."
"When we cherry pick certain parts of the law and word them in such a way, people say they'd be for that."

Beware any poll that straight up tells you 'People hated it until we started manipulating the data.' anon.

>Obamacare makes it affordable healthcare for poorfags who couldn't afford insurance in the first place

>Trump states he's going to take it away if elected
>He takes it away

It's almost pottery how Trump voters love shooting themselves in the foot just to make someone else disgruntled

>>58974246
It's highly probably that a large percentage of the Trump voters aren't personally affected by removing it. Trump voters in coal country have screwed themselves though, no insurance company is going to cover a coal miner with black lung if they can help it.

>>58972215
50 mb? Thats like stone age technology. If you're not getting a 1 gb, youre getting screwed.

>>58972215
a punchable face

>>58972682
they already did
multiple times
comcast et. al. used loopholes to embezzle the money

>>58973515
The vast majority of public healthcare systems do not pay for liposuction. Even in the ones that do under some circumstances, abuse is quite rare.

http://www.pbs.org/video/1050712790/

~60 minute video about healthcare systems around the world and how they work.

>>58974112
Didn't know /pol had so much power

>>58974246
>he thinks Obamacare was good for poor people

kek

>>58974529
>he thinks nothing is better

https://medium.com/@AjitPaiFCC/setting-the-record-straight-on-the-digital-divide-615a9da1f2d1#.d27z0a1vg
??????????????????????
Am I just missing something here?

>>58972215
That's what you get for being a stupid trump cock sucking retard.

>>58974551
>he thinks nothing is an option
>he probably needs his sex change paid for by the state

Christ you libtards need mental help.

>>58974564
I get to hear 7 years and 11 more months of liberal salt, Trump has already made America great again as far as I am concerned.

>>58974599
Tell me how many more people were not covered, got personally bankrupt because of their health, and died before Obamacare.

Sick. Help.

This isn't a difficult concept to grasp. Single Payer would be better, but at least Obamacare was something.

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The program already exists.

It's called Comcast Internet Essentials.

That's probably OP in this photo, mad that he's not getting his bandwidth increased

>>58974599
Poor people were getting little to nothing before. They'd just get sick and then go to the ER and be left with a bill that they couldn't hope to pay off. Poor people not paying their bills is why the rates were so absurdly high also.

>>58974640
not enough for it to be a problem

>>58974640
Single payer doesn't work in a country with so many niggers and beaners, and private care is just the opposite end of the spectrum. Both end in disaster.

America's healthcare problem cannot be solved in its current makeup.

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>>58974659
And they also include this computer

>>58974640
England can't afford single payer, how can America?

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>>58974599
>your opinion is wrong because you are liberal and transgendered
>when you are so conditioned to repeat other peoples arguments ad nauseam that you start using them automatically even when they dont fit with the current context of the argument

>>58974700
Sure is /technology/ in here today

>>58974698
Americans pay more for healthcare than the UK though.

>>58974698
$53,000 GDP per capita is higher than $43,000 GDP per capita. If only Americans could apply this logic to the ballots maybe they wouldnt be on the border of a civil war right now.

>>58974729
UK is billions in the red. Their system is broken and doesn't work

>>58974744
We made money on the bailouts

>>58974745
Americans pay the most for healthcare compared to other Western countries.

You're getting screwed hard. Your government can't even negotiate prices. You're fucked. Deal with it.

>>58974767
Thats nice.

>>58974770
Your healthcare system will collapse shortly. No one wants to work in English healthcare, you can't pay your bills.

Who cares, zuck is going to give you 1gb low orbit satelite internet in like a year or two.

>>58974717
It's in everyone's best interest to make sure everyone is healthy. If people are deliberately excluded from getting medical attention then they're just going to get sick and go tie up the ER with an even bigger problem.

>>58974803
What's the point of having a country if you let everybody come in and get their gibmedat free healthcare, welfare, and housing?

Once you make a law saying that Whites only pay for other Whites, Niggers only pay for other niggers and Spics only pay for other spics, the problem is solved, and you will see those niggers running to Canada or whatever cuck country will pay for them.

>>58974834
>>58974828
>>58974803
What I want to know is, are the healthcare systems in England/France/Germany/Sweden suddenly seeing massive new stress due to the influx of diversity?

>>58974828
>It's in everyone's best interest to make sure everyone is healthy.

It's in my best interest to pay for fellow citizens, not refugees, asylum seekers, illegals, and other parasites.

Healthcare is only a problem because we make the productive people pay for the unproductive people many times over.

>>58974864

Yes but people getting old is the larger problem.

>>58974881
So they can't handle old people?

>>58974864
>are the healthcare systems in England/France/Germany/Sweden suddenly seeing massive new stress due to the influx of diversity?

Yes. Absolutely. It's made things much worse in every country that readily accepts migrants or ignores illegal immigration.

>>58974866
Contagious illnesses don't care whether a person is a citizen, a migrant, or refugee, etc. Keeping these people from getting healthcare does not help anyone.

>>58974888
Socialism is failed. You have to import your citizens from Africa and central asia now.

>>58974944
They are not citizens. They need to be removed and the productive people should only pay for other productive people.

You don't have a country if you let everybody in to leech off you.

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>>58974944
>Contagious illnesses don't care whether a person is a citizen, a migrant, or refugee, etc.
They kind of do?

>>58972215
Honestly, as funny as watching lefites get btfo and triggered is, there is no reason not to roll out internet across a modern country, it's proven to raise education, make citizens more mobile and improve the economy wherever it goes.

It's like the benefits of fresh water pipes again. It takes some short sighted politics to not give everyone baseline net.

>>58975056
see >>58974659
$10 for 10mbps Internet is already a program offered to all low income Americans

OP is mad it's not going to 50mbps

>>58975027
That's TB, that has to do with population density, quarantine procedures when a suspend case arises, quality of healthcare and vaccinations. Most people in the first world are vaccinated against TB. The only ones that aren't are dumb Amerifats who think vaccines will give them autism.

>>58972215
Yes goy you should have voted for Hillary. Things would be way better goy.

>>58975086
Way to miss the fucking point.

New cases of TB, measles, fuckin' polio and smallpox all come into nations that accept third worlders, problems those nations wouldn't have in the first place if the didn't accept aforementioned third worlders.

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>>58972248
>the internet is a minor thing

the fuck it is. people use it for literally everything, everyday. from online banking to business to entertainment. the internet is more important than "border enhancement"

You think building a wall is more important than protecting the integrity of the internet? get the fuck outta here dude

>>58973278
What is a public library?

>>58975069
That's getting canned.

>>58975333
1 hour is not enough.

>>58975134
I'm pretty sure we don't have a border with the philippenes or india. Those are people traveling by plane. Trying to wall off America isn't going to have the desired effect. Trying to forbid all immigrants isn't feasible or even desireable

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>>58975445
We simply can't afford any more brown people. We can, however, afford a wall.

>>58975348
citation needed

>>58974690
Where are they getting C2D Cpus?

>>58972215
> more immigration control
> less h1b pajeets
> more americans wth >60/year

>>58975611
is this propaganda for ants?

>>58972600
Oh yes since the government is so perfect, how dare those evil corporations!

>>58973334
um, there are 4 places in the us that have municipal internet and they rank #4 world wide, but they have to charge a few hundred dollars for that speed because the states passed laws saying municipal internet can not charge less then private companies.

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>Pacific Island nations actually have better internet than some Americans

DYING

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>USA has third world internet

>mfw I get 300mbps DL and 150 UL for 10 bucks

Stay mad Amerisharts !

>>58972570
I'm a 6'4 Aryan ubermensch.

>>58976998
Romania? Hungary? Estonia? Ukraine?

How's that Golden Showers shit working out for you, Drumpfucks?

HA HA HA!

>>58975163
>You think building a wall is more important than protecting the integrity of the internet? get the fuck outta here dude
Yes, I do, you fucking sheltered millennial baby.
Besides, the internet is not going anywhere. It's just that the prices won't be artificially lowered.

>>58973052
>I don't see any new millions in funding, what are your sources?
They're now called ShareBlue, retard.

>>58972388
Dude not a single Republican in the House or Senate voted for it. The shittyness of Obamacare is all the Dems fault. They could have pushed for single payer but didnt because the Dems in many ways are more pro corporate than the GOP.

>>58976998
Is whatever shithole you live in so embarrassing, you can't even name it?

>>58973921
>tfw mummy and daddy pay for high speed internet

Feels good man

NEETs don't have this problem

>>58977069
The only sheltered baby here is you if you honestly think an expensive as fuck wall will even remotely stop illegal immigration.

>>58972248
>Compared to the border enhancement... the internet is a really minor thing.

Preventing the illegal entry of people incapable of using a ladder is less important than the greatest communication innovation in human history

>>58977665
The metric of success is not 100% elimination.

>>58977826
Plenty of Americans have broadband internet access.

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What are the chances we would get non-thirdworld internet if Hillary won?

>>58977937
Unless your metric of success is less than 5%, the wall will do fuck all to stop illegals.
The vast majority of illegals cross through legal border crossings like Tijuana and most illegals come over legally with visas but stay here after they expire.

>>58978126
looks like focaccia

hipster bread confirmed

>>58978126
Any data to support your claims?

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>>58978211

I literally didn't claim anything
>>/pol/

>>58976125
I think they mean Dual core, not Core 2 Duo. Probably a low end pentium or something.

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>>58978154
Illegal immigration costs more to the economy than they contribute to. Walls work, ask Israel or China.
>>58978246
That the US has shit-tier internet. It's about the same as England, Germany, France, Canada, Belgium, or Spain.

>>58978126
people in the third world get much cheaper and better internet, smartphones, food, cars, everything. Dollar for dollar, they get more. Everything is cheaper. Purchasing power has been severely fucked in America, probably because we are dumb consumers that let companies dictate prices unregulated. Voting with your dollar means fuck all when everythings the same price or there is only one option. You really have to suck trumps dick to defend this bullshit. Theyre just raking in the money, we're not getting faster speeds and better service, theyre just taking the money and running. Go look up how much money telecom companies make, they are the most lucrative in the world, period, bigger than oil, bigger than google, bigger than microsoft. They do not need protecting, they do not need favorable deals to help them thrive, they grow like weeds. The US government is not working for us, its working for them, it sucks.

>>58972215

I pay $124 a month for 50/10 where I am in Canada. My condolences.

>>58978376
There’s nothing magic about regulations, too much is bad, too little is bad. How do you get to the golden key, how do we figure out what works? And the people that know the industry better than anybody are the people who work in the industry.

>>58974629

>Already fucking you up the ass like things such as this thread subject
>But hurr hurr the funny libbies is cryin 'pa!

>>58978410
How is getting rid of free stuff for poor lazy people bad, again? We're very much in debt, we can't afford free handouts to the undeserving.

>>58978404
WHERE THE FUCK IS COMCAST GONNA GO?

Regulation is the buzzword you say when you cant argue.

We can regulate the shit out of utilities, because they are fucking stuck here. We can regulate them so much their ass will hurt from the pounding we give them. And they'll still make shit loads of money! They need to have trucks and lines and infrastructure IN america. Their call centers are already in bumfuck india. Theres no reason not to regulate them other than to suck lobbyist dick. Our congressmen are bought and paid for dude, incumbents for years.

>>58978433
I want so badly to believe you don't really think that shit like this is paid for by the government buying subscriptions from Comcast and handing them out to people. But I can't. I can't honestly extend you that benefit of the doubt.

>>58978470
So you disagree with Hillary Clinton, then? Really activates my sodium channel ions, desu.

>>58978154
Daily border crosser don't listen to this fag lib,meming they fly in planes and cross the border legally. USA check this shit out before they get a visa,making sure they have secure job and housing so they won't just go cross and stay. Don't listen to liberal lies. I been crossing daily for all my life. I know pre-9/11 crossing to the pre and post Trump crossing differences.

>>58978404
Yeah I'm so glad Comcast gave me that datacap. They know what's best for me. Good guy that Comcast. They say it's to clear up congestion but if I pay them an extra $50 a month then they will overlook it.

The free market will sort it out. As soon as another cable company starts competing in my area- oh that doesn't happen? Nevermind then.

>>58973825

>It's a /pol/smoker thinks his niche board contributed fuck all to the world episode

I wish they'd stop syndicating this one.

>>58972215
How do I know this cheap broadband wouldn't come with being spied on, packets tracked, unblockable ads, and other evil shit

>>58978518
Don't forget the ruling that was going to force Comcast to allow 3rd party cable boxes. Trump's FCC killed that too so I get to pay Comcast a hardware rental fee indefinitely. Those evil regulations.

>>58978503
You remember Obamaphone?
That's exactly what this program is.
Don't believe the fake news, the US has the second most connected population, and our average connection speeds, along with % of "high speed" connections rank up with the rest of the developed world.

>>58972829
5k won't even get you through the year for insulin. I had to get a HMO private plan because the PPO plans jumped from $350 to $420 a month. The prescription coverage is a joke and because I make over 60k I get a big fat fuck you everytime I order meds. It's actually more beneficial for me to be making 28k a year because then I'm eligible for prescription assistance which after filling out paper work and tax forms costs $0 for thousands of dollars of bullshit insulin. What makes matters worse is that every insulin drug is the same price when you look at BCBS. I've tried cheating out on insulin before and it literally almost killed me (more than once) so basically I'm a slave to the pharmacy, if I don't pay full price I don't get the drugs I need to live if I don't buy the drugs I die. No middle ground there so I have to pay up.

When you consider housing is 10-15% of income health coverage is another 10% and the prescription drugs are another 10% it chews up a paycheck real fucking quick.

>>58978571
> Force health care
>American health care literally take a advil you faggot.Oh your about to die done well give you the surgery

>>58978470
Furthermore to your point, you HAVE TO regulate them because not only are they stuck in here with us, we're stuck in here with them. You can't just subscribe to a Swiss ISP and have them run an Ethernet cable to your house. If we don't regulate the you get shit like Canada where it's $150 a month for 6GB capped landline internet. Because what the fuck are we gonna do about it?

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>>58978518
>they don't know I said this

>>58978524
I think /pol/ influenced certain elements of Trump's campaign but for the most part the reason Trump won was pissed off coal miners and people in the rust belt. Those people were the ones that tipped it in his favor. He was down 3 million votes and there's no possible way for all of that to be from just illegal aliens. It's not even likely that a simple majority of that was from illegal aliens.

>>58978571
Maybe you should just die, it would really help everyone out. Are you really worth all this hassle?

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>50/10
American internet

>>58978604
Why did you single out those specific groups of voters?

>>58978600
I know Tom Wheeler was able to prevent Charter+Time Warner Cable from implementing data caps.

>>58978604
>I think /pol/ influenced certain elements of Trump's campaign
You really think some 10k people on /pol/ from all over the world influenced a multimillion voter election?

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>>58978637
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds

>>58978700
>only 24% of americans have speeds higher than 4mb/s

>>58978505
You cant slam Hillary anymore because she aint fucking president, the election is over you memer. TRUMP administration is doing this shit. Hillary has no power right now, she's doing fuck all. Also, you can bet your ass bernie wouldnt allow this, so dont bact like there was no other choice.

Put on your big boy pants, its time to watch the noble republican party fuck over the "forgotten america" by making sure basic-level internet is still super expensive and comes with two phone lines and a cable package. The scam of an entire country continues!

>>58978711
above 15mb/s my bad

>>58978711
And where do you live?

>>58972215
Good. Fuck anything liberals advocate.

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>>58978732
>bernie

>>58978743
America

>>58978693
/pol/ and that one subreddit. They spammed various social media websites with memes and "news" all throughout the campaign. They were like Trumps ground team for advertising. Trump didn't really run a traditional advertising campaign.

>>58973851
97% profit margins? Yeah, theyll totally need taxpayer money to continue operating.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-kushnick/time-warner-cables-97-pro_b_6591916.html


How much did Comcast make in 2015?
>Revenue for NBCUniversal increased 13.0% to $7.5 billion in the fourth quarter of 2015 compared to $6.6 billion in the fourth quarter of 2014. Operating Cash Flow increased 8.7% to $1.6 billion compared to $1.4 billion in the fourth quarter of 2014


Man they strugglin. I have a sudden urge to suck trumps dick.

>>58978773
Is that why you had so much trouble with the chart earlier? It's tough to figure out percentages and columns, isn't it :-(

>>58978799
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/212376-comcast-admits-that-its-data-caps-are-a-business-decision-not-an-engineering-requirement

Not only that but the datacaps are completely made up, arbitrary and pointless so they can charge more money for internet.

>>58978813
>american vehemently defending his shit slow internet
>number 1 super power in the world and he defends being behind literal 3rd world countries for internet speeds

>>58978700
>tfw too boring to even try to find US on that list

Not that it matters to me. I've got gigabit cable and 150/40 DSL available and I just live in a town of 50000.

All we need to fix US broadband is to stop giving companies monopolies in exchange for laying wires into the sticks. Give every company pole access and let the people without enough sense to live somewhere reasonable choose between the shitty satellite and the shitty terrestial wireless they deserve.

>>58978765
slam all the candidates you want, we're still getting fucked.

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>>58978788

>>58978823

Never underestimate the power of corporate brainwashing.

>>58978833
>breitbart

Should just ask /pol/, same difference

>>58978829
Honesty all we need to do is break up the ISP monopolies, ban their colluding to not compete and stop them from over charging for literal shit internet

>>58978829
yeah, simple right?

Never going to fucking happen. America is so fucking corrupt.

>>58972215
The last known issue the FCC was voting on under Wheeler was set top boxes. Basically they wanted Comcast to make an app that allowed people with Nvidia shields and Amazon fire sticks to watch Comcast cable without using a Comcast cable box.

If the FCC made fiber pricing and speed and data caps the main issues more people give a shit.

>>58978823
We aren't off any worse for countries our size, and development level. Hell, we beat out a few very successful european countries like France and Germany. You can choose to spin this any way you choose, but just try not to be so dishonest in your attacks.

>>58978830
Don't ever be so smug as to act like we'd be better off under H or B

>>58978857
That would be called regulation, 2 of our branches of government are ruled by a party that thinks that is a bad word. Soon to be 3. We will be bent over and fucked by telecom for the rest of time.

>>58978881
see
>>58972215
>low cost ($10~$20) 50/10 broadband was about to roll out THIS YEAR to all Americans making under 60k

>this fucking pajeet comcast lobbying shill revokes it


Just helping you get up to speed. This is where the loyalty is.

>>58978862
>If the FCC made fiber pricing and speed and data caps the main issues more people give a shit.
they tried to in 2015 but republicans demanded they stop saying ISPs somehow couldn't do 15/5 for the new broadband speed standard

>>58978852
It's cute how you deflect on that issue. Now you are just drawing more attention to the issue of hillary's paid online shills.

>>58978910
you are an unpaid shill shilling a paid shill reporting about paid shills...

>>58978881
>We aren't off any worse for countries our size, and development level. Hell, we beat out a few very successful european countries like France and Germany. You can choose to spin this any way you choose, but just try not to be so dishonest in your attacks.
No we're way fucking off stop shilling. the US internet structure is shit we should have hit fast ethernet like other countries did years ago and we should have done it years ahead of them.

>we beat france and germany
france and germany have more people at higher speeds than the US does, the average means little compared to wide spread adoption.

>>58978901
Where's the link, jerk off?
And why would I want more government subsidized handouts to cable corporations? Sounds like we dodged a bullet, desu

>>58978881
ahhh you fucking shill, you wont just shutup. Never a link or source with you is there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_France

>In metropolitan France, intense competition between Internet service providers has led to the introduction of moderately-priced high speed ADSL up to 28 Mbit/s (ATM), VDSL2 up to 100 Mbit/s, and FTTX up to 1 Gbit/s from €26 per month.[4] They often include other services such as unlimited free VoIP telephone communications to land lines, and digital television. Dial-up internet access is considered outdated.

>>58978937
In NYC to get fiber that fast I'd have to be a business and pay some 500 dollars a month just for that throughput. Fucking time warner telecom

>>58973448
obamacare wasn't that bad. it worked out for a lot of people with serious illnesses that could have gotten kicked off insurance otherwise.

it's not perfect, but it shows that the system can be changed.

>>58978930
Germany has 19% above 15 mbps
France has 8.7
US has 24%

We have more people on high speed than these two countries. Can you not read graphs? Are you that dumb American I was speaking to earlier?

>>58978931
see
>>58973851
see
>>58978799

suck my dick and read the thread

>>58978952
>obamacare wasn't that bad.
90m americans insurance going up by 400% isn't bad?

>it worked out
for a bunch of poor people that pay jack shit in taxes and pay jack shit for healthcare

>>58978955
Yet still large swaths of the nation are dealing with 3mbps DSL or satellite internet

>PAI AJIT

>>58978955
>only looks at one column and two countries
hell Japan has the same population as california and their internet infrastructure and speeds are superior in every way

stop shilling for your ludditism

>>58978955
And you just ignored price, didnt you, which is the whole fucking point of this thread! People in france have slower internet on average because they can pay for cheaper tiered service, like their internet bill is 15 or twenty dollars. They can get higher speeds if they want to and pay less for them comparatively.

>>58978958
So it's just Fake News?

>>58978978
And large swaths of the nation are literally in the middle of nowhere that would take 200 years to recoup the cost of laying that cable line. America is a capitalist society, if giving everyone fast internet would make money it would be a thing.

>>58978962
>90m americans insurance going up by 400% isn't bad?

Not as bad as fake statistics.

>>58979006
>comcast with 97% profit margines would have to lay down real infrastructure for people, woe is them!
fuck off corporate cocksucker

>it would be a thing

its a thing that ISP corporations purposely don't compete so they don't have to spend more on infrastructure, charge out the ass for the most basic of services so they can pocket the differences while keeping america behind third world countries

>>58978995
And because of this they have fewer citizens on high speed service. Only 8.7% of their citizens can even afford the low, low price they are charging. you don't find this disturbing? It's the exact opposite of what everyone says will happen. We have definitive proof that cheap, high speed internet does NOT lead to more people accessing the service, or even caring about the service at all.

>>58979019
http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/2017-premium-changes-and-insurer-participation-in-the-affordable-care-acts-health-insurance-marketplaces/


Sure not 400%, its a hyperbole

hell arizona saw an average of 145% increase in coverage costs, virtually every state saw massive increases to insurance costs

>>58979006
The internet is becoming a necessity just like education, power, and water or it was before Trump got elected. At some point the challenge of getting all of that stuff in rural of America had to be taken. Now should be that time for internet. This is why people get stuck as generations of coal miners and ditch diggers. They don't have the means to compete.

>>58979086
>The internet is becoming a necessity just like education
its been a necessity for easily over 10 years

it might as well be like electricity and water as basic necessities

>>58979033
What countries? Our internet services are better than literally most of Europe, and more of our citizens enjoy high speed internet that Europeans, as evidenced earlier.
It really fucking expensive to lay cable, ask Google. They pretty much have canceled their botnet. Most of the people that don't have good internet live in BFE.

>>58974217
>Beware any poll that straight up tells you 'People hated it until we started manipulating the data.' anon.

Polls usually ask the same question in different ways to see how informed people are about a particular subject. They have to do this specifically to eliminate errors.

It's like asking "do you like the ACA" and "do you like obamacare." If they don't give the same answer, and many don't, they're completely uninformed.

>>58979055
That's not all. Just wait until the US Government stops covering 90% of the cost. The states will have to come up with BILLIONS soon. It's a fucking trainwreck.

>>58979103
>our internet is better
>sub ethernet speeds
>datacaps out the ass
>only metropolitan areas get good coverage
>literally defending america the luddite

>>58979006
>fake news

hahahaha, you cant escape the truth!

BREITBART ARTICLES AHOY! GO DASHER GO PRANCER! from the desk of donald trumps chief strategists news outlet!

http://www.breitbart.com/blog/2014/08/30/internet-providers-team-up-to-block-america-s-best-internet-service/

http://www.breitbart.com/news/comcast-meets-3q-profit-forecasts/

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2014/09/18/hollywood-greed-layoffs-loom-as-companies-profits-surge/


suck my diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick

>>58979123
The only alternative is to take it out of private companies hands, or not insure the sick and elderly at all. There is no way to give more people insurance (thus putting insurance companies at bigger risk) and keep cost down.

>>58979143
Oh, so you want to change the subject now that I corrected your record? How charming.

>>58979103
>letting rinky dink third world shit holes like romania beat the US in every field
>nuked japan
>twice
>comes out superior in every fashion
>america
>number 1 super power in the world
>comes in 10th+ for every field in internet access and speeds

>>58979158
>our internet is better
>sub ethernet speeds
>gets beat out by third world shitholes
>hurr stop changing the subject
you're a corporate cocksucker, how much does comcast pay you to defend the made up and superfluous datacaps? No other countries pays as much as we do for such shit service

>>58978833
>trolls

nah, as annoying as CTR was, they were just spamming sources for information.

>breitbart

a news website where the first thing you see is not news, it's "buy our merch", founded by a guy who lost his job because he was a fucking loon

jesus, /pol/tards really are dumb, enjoy your swamp drai... oh shit, the swamp is full of the establishment again, oh well.

>>58979050
you dont get it do you? The low cost one comes with TV, phone lines, and it isnt dial up, its still high speed internet, its not fucking dial up or DSL which is what you would get in america for that price.

They get to choose if thay want it, Americans are FORCED and get whatever they are served.

>>58979151
Where's the link about
>low cost ($10~$20) 50/10 broadband was about to roll out THIS YEAR to all Americans making under 60k

>this fucking pajeet comcast lobbying shill revokes it

You were shilling?

>>58979210
Here is Comcast trial program that they came up when internet was declared Title II

https://www.xfinity.com/support/internet/comcast-broadband-opportunity-program/

Sadly the FCC will be removing that Title II classification shortly and I doubt Comcast will continue the program out of charity.

>>58979166
>>58979208
>>58979176
So are your heads still spinning America beat out most of Europe in our Internet speeds and % of citizens on high speed internet?

>>58979233
>still ignores cost
nah you're a shill shilling for the high prices and apparent "american internet fidelity" of overpriced monopoly services

>>58972701
The problem with American worker laws is the awkward middle ground they're confined to; we gotta do something to help the poor, but we're not a bunch of damn commies, so we mandate more employer-provided benefits and recoil at state programs. It's the worst of both worlds, a super-regulatory business and hiring nightmare that somehow also manages to be a Dickensian "fuck you got mine" for the poor.

Being effectively required to work for established companies that can handle health insurance is the worst cyberpunk future we could've had.

>>58979229
So we just stopped the equivalent of free Obamaphones? How are these handouts helping anyone? How is giving the cable companies millions of new government-subsidized customers good for anyone, especially the tax payer?

And you have nothing about everyone under 60k

>>58979254
Most of Europe can't afford your poverty-tier pricing plan, anyway. Why can't your European friends even afford dirt cheap, fast service?

>>58979210
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/27/donald-trumps-fcc-prepares-for-reduction-in-tech-regulations/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajit_Varadaraj_Pai

>>58979233
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT PRICE THIS THREAD IS ABOUT PRICE THIS THREAD IS ABOUT PRICE


STOP TRYING TO REFRAME THE THREAD
STOP TRYING TO REFRAME THE THREAD


CONSUMER CHOICE ON SPEEDS, NOT DICK SWINGING

>>58979281
no you dumb faggot you purposely didn't read the actual article
see
>>58979208
you're fucking retarded, most CAN afford it and they do afford it easily.

>poverty-tier pricing
are you actually trying to say that because internet is significantly cheaper in France than it is in the US as a negative thing?

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>>58979268
Welcome to the post-trump election, where everyone tries to call everything that the Trump administration does an attack on their way of life and is willing to finally say something. Like this hasn't been happening for the past 20-50 years.

>>58979233
every single european can get a better connection than me if they want to spend a few bucks. I literally cannot, and if I do, comcast can fuck me over and not give me the speeds I pay for until I have them send out a guy several times, and that still might not work.

A guy in franc can just decide to go with another company the next month like changing a cellphone provider.

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>>58979292
>breitbart
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>58979292
>>58979294
If the prices were a problem, we would see less of our population using these high speed services. As it stands now, more of our population uses high speed internet than most of Europe and the developed world.

>>58979349
No you dumb shit, they can't do anything about it because theres monopolies that don't compete with any other ISP so americans can't just go get another internet service easily at all.

>>58979327
...so move to France?

>>58979349
I agree, but Internet service is a near inelastic good. You don't need it to live, but it's damn near close enough.

>>58979363
>yea just move
>lift up your entire family, culture, work, everything you strived for and just move to go get new internet
like having a bad girlfriend so you go gay this is such an extreme "solution" to a problem that is the monopoly

>>58979356
And how is giving millions of government funded customers to these monopolies going to help? You mad you won't get your free ObamaNet? Or would that be BernieNet for you?

>>58979309
FAKE NEWS

>>58979151
BREITBART IS FAKE NEWS NOW

>>58979369
So no one really cares about high speed internet in France, either, it's just a buzzword, liberals use it when they virtue signal to one another.