No igpu why is this allowed ?

>spending extra money and die size when you already have a dedicated gpu

>>58959417
What's the problem? Buy a card for $30, it has the same performance.

>>58959417
Instead of utilizing the whole die for cpu purposes, let's waste space on an igpu that most people won't even use!

>>58959433
MIght as well get an intel cpu at that point.

>>58959454
Yeah it sure did work well for amd in the past

>>58959430
>>58959433
>>58959454
>GPU dies
>PC becomes useless until replacement arrives


There's no excuse to not include an iGPU, it's not like AMD doesn't knows how to do it or it will cost more.

They are just trying to jew you and you're an idiot if you defend this.

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>>58959417
Pointless on a high performance platform. If you want a IGP get a Raven Ridge APU when that come out later. IGPs are no cheap on silicon. You can fit an entire CPU cluster in the die space needed for Intel's dog shit IGP.

Pic related.
Kaby lake's die is almost 40% IGP.

>>58959495
it will cost more

This is silly, I buy xeons instead of i7 specifically because I don't need igpu and the e3 are basically that

>>58959417
Zen based APUs will come out later in 2017

Mite b cool some builds if the GPUs are capable

>>58959417
People like you are what's wrong with this world and thid board. U just can't accept anything. If you are buying a cpu like Ryzen you are probably gonna buy a seperate gpu so no need for igpu, are u literally retarded, igpus are just a waste of space on the cpu nowadays. You are so fucking stupid, if I saw u in front of me I would fucking rage so hard. U are fucking mentally retarded to be asking shit like that fucking Intel jew, go suck off that 6700 igpu or whatever it is you'll never use it anyway go pay that 400$ for it u fucking retard. I am so pissed rn at how dumb u are, u are ruining this board and just making an idiot out of yourself. Please just stay off the internet in general if u are gonna ask questions like these u fucking attention seeking intel bastard. All u guys want is attention now because amd is the only one doing stuff. I bet you still live in your mum's house and suck ur dad off for that nice 6700 igpu. ITS SO NICE HAVING AN IGPU LOOK AT ME AMDFAGS HAHAHA AMD IS FINISHED NO IGPU, AMD BTFO. SHUT THE FUCK UP I WILL KILL YOU YOU STUPID FAG, STOP POSTING USELESS THREADS LIKE THESE U FUCKING RETARD. U made me so mad I wanna punch the wall and hope there's you on the other side so it would shatter your dumb skull you stupid fuck. I bet you are gonna make another shit thread after this one gets removed because it is SHIT just like your igpu and your shit intel cuck cpu. So fuck off to another board or off 4chan, because u can't handle us or even basic logic like why there isn't an igpu in ryzen cpu's. Can't wait for the release to see you cry and be mad at yourself for spending so much of your dad's money on a shit intel cpu with an igpu u won't ever need. JUST FUCK OFF!! AND IF U EVER MAKE A THREAD LIKE THIS AGAIN, I WILL MAKE SURE YOU WILL NEVER VISIT THIS SITE AGAIN. So bye intelfaggot and I hope I'll never get to see you or one of your threads ever again!!

>>58959417
Do I have to buy an APU if I want gpu passthrough then?
Will there even be Ryzen APUs anytime soon?

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>>58959533
Saved

>>58959417
apus

>>58959542
just get an intel cpu

>>58959527
Wafers are sold as whole item, it doesn't matter how many working chipsets they get out of them they still play full price, by not including an iGPU AMD is trying to maximize how many working chipsets they get out of a wafer, it's not like they would need to invest in research either, they already have really good APU technology.

>>58959533
Is this the birth of an epic new copypasta?

>>58959542
Just get a cheap 2nd hand GPU on ebay for like 15/20$ or wait for Raven Ridge if you don't need the extra cores.

>>58959555
>intel cpu
>passthrough
o u

>>58959533
bump for this, ppl have to see this kek

>>58959542
You can simply put a $20 passively cooled GPU into it. It will also have more performance than an iGPU.

Also, there has been a method where you can seamlessly hand over the GPU to the guest at runtime, and back to the host when the guest closes. You don't even need a second GPU at all if this method actually works.

>>58959495
>wasting 40% of die size so you can have display for a few days in the 0.1% chance that your GPU dies out of nowhere

Intel shills sure are desperate

>>58959417
because this isn't the market they're going for? APUs are for the consumer, this upcoming Ryzen CPU line is for the enthusiast line. It just got so much hype that idiots like you started noticing it and then go online on taiwanese cave painting image boards ask why they don't have igpus

>>58959680
any more reading you have on that?

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Last time I checked the 6800k and up doesn't come with an igpu.

>>58959495
who doesn't have a spare graphics card anywhere? I think I've still got a pci Geforce 2 MX

>>58959495
>GPU dies
>PC becomes useless until replacement arrives

So spend $20 on a cheap dedicated GPU, you stupid fuck. I keep a GTX 570 around for just that situation.

>need to rma my gpu
>process will take months
>tfw if I waited for the ryzen meme my computer would be out of use for that whole time period

Thank you based Intel. Also thanks amd for allowing me to buy a 7700k for cheaper when ryzen releases, that's all you're good for.

Because high end desktops and servers don't need iGPUs.

The reason AMD can sell an 8 core so cheap is because they don't waste any die area on iGPUs.

>>58959417
Because it's a CPU, not an APU.
Just wait a bit more.

>>58959495
if you're building a new pc, chances are you'll amass a few spare parts before any on component fails.

And if not, 10 bucks on crabs list will get you back to shitposting on a Chinese cartoon image board.

>>58959417
>>58959495
the APUs are coming down the line retarded

do you not have a spare $25 GPU laying around for trouble shooting?

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>>58959533
>nvidiafags will never receive a response like this

>>58959495
>order new graphiccard
>have to browse for 2 days on my laptop

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RYZEN NEEDS TO HURRY THE FUCK UP, MY FX 8 CORE IS BEGGING TO BE REPLACED SO I CAN SHITPOST AT SLIGHTLY FASTER SPEEDS!!!

>>58959495
>he needs a GPU to use his computer
Oh man these GUI slaves are hilarious

Just ssh into it dude

>>58959417
Need the die space for MORE CORES

>>58960043
I'm pretty sure the point is just to have tiny chips so they can get more on a wafer

>>58960062
That's preposterous. It's for more cores. Common knowledge bro.

>>58959533
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>>58959558
what's the point?

you need an igpu? get an apu!

you need an igpu when your dedicated gpu dies? OH MY GOD YOU CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT YOUR PC FOR JUST ONE DAY?

>>58959820
>he doesn't keep an old GPU handy in case this happens

let's analyze this post
>retarded
check
>fanboy
check
>apologist
check

verdict: prime suicide candidate

>>58960250
Yeah because everyone has a big stash of old parts tucked away in the corner of their uni dorm. Neck yourself.

>>58959959
>my fx 4 module

fixed that for you

>>58959417
If you're buying the higher end you have a dedicated gpu. If you want an integrated gpu you should get the equivalent to the A series when it comes out in 2018.

>>58960269
to be fair there's plenty of space in mom's basement when you're down there alone.

I have an old 550Ti as a place holder until Vega anyways.

>>58960269
oh, so this problem is exclusive to entitled millennial niggerfaggots in dorms, guess we can move on then

>>58959417
>iGPU on CPU
Why don't all mobos just come with a small crappy iGPU with at most 8 MB RAM like wtf is it that hard why should I have to keep a spare GPU lmao

>>58959417
>he has a problem of GPUs dying

Can I take a guess at your vendor or case conditions?

>>58960356
>edgy talk
>bitches about millennials

but you seem like one yourself friendo

>>58959680
>Also, there has been a method where you can seamlessly hand over the GPU to the guest at runtime, and back to the host when the guest closes.

Could you elaborate on that or at least point me towards further reading?

>>58960342
You'd be one to know.

>>58959495
If you're that worried about something that has a extremely low chance of happening then just buy the cheapest GPU you can find when you're buying the CPU and put in a drawer to keep as a spare, you dense fuck

>>58959417
i dunno, don't buy it then retard

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>>58960356
>this autism

The state of amd fanboys

>have only used non igpu cpus
>have never had a gpu fail me
>doesnt matter if one did, finna set up that dusty 7870

>>58960406
It's amd. Nobody will anyway.

>>58959533
wow bro calm down

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>>58960424

> tfw currently waiting on my RMA and posting from a Radeon 5770

>>58960410
you're bitching about something you aren't even going to buy, most AMDfags have a GPU or two lying around so it is a non-problem, AMD knows their customers enough to know we'd rather have more room on the die than waste it with an IGP we won't use


Send your shekles to intel for all I care, you might as well complain about the brand of toothpaste I buy.

>>58960453
I should clarify im being a bit sneaky in calling it a 7870, its actually a GOAT Vapor X 270X from Sapphire.

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>>58960459
Yeah I'm sure DIE SIZE is very important to you amazing AMD users

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>>58960459
>this whole post

what the fuck

>>58960424
>have only used non igpu cpus
you on bloomfield, son?

It's common sense to have at least a spare stick or RAM, a spare hard drive or a GPU, heck I even have two power supplies for troubleshooting.

But if you're like OP and buy prebuilts that's gonna be difficult

>>58959417
For the very same reason there is no igpu in high end intel desktop CPU or Xeon.

>>58959959
but anon, there are no 8 core FX processors

>6/8 core ryzen without igpu vs 4 core gayby lake with an igpu i'll never use

hmm that's a tough choice.

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>>58959533
lol goddamnit someone's mad

>>58960327
>>58960641
When will this meme end?
“We believe our marketing accurately reflects the capabilities of the “Bulldozer” architecture which, when implemented in an 8 core AMD FX processor is capable of running 8 instructions concurrently.”

>>58960617
this is actually a good point. how did amd think they have a chance in hell to compete with intel when the massive majority of pc sales are prebuilts? this is also how nvidia are destroying amd.

amd basically have no prebuilt market because of the lack of igpu. they have some serious retards working for amd.

>>58960502
it actually is. it decreases tdp

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>>58959533
Well fucking said!

>>58960680
>desktop PCs
>Relevant
Servers and gayming are the only growth markets. Zen APUs will come in second half of 2017 and focus on laptops because literally nobody buys a desktop PC anymore.

>>58959495
>CPU dies
>Pc becomes useless until replacement arrives

why is there no iCPU build in a GPU goddamn

>>58960670
its 4 physical cores, with 8 threads

>>58960692
Yeah all that unused silicons when gpu is in really heat up the steam works

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>>58960931

>>58960931
4 modules, 8 int cores, 4 FP cores

You have been educated

>>58960957
nice educated and cited retort

>>58960972
but it doesn't have 8 physical cores, it only has 4

are you done embarrassing yourself?

>>58960975
It has 8 integer units, it can do 8 instructions in a cycle

stop being retarded and go shitpost elsewhere

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>>58961001
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/10/12/amd-fx-8150-review/2

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/363278-28-core

http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processor-reviewed

jump off a bridge with your shitty quad core that overheats on a stock cooler

>>58960987

Define a core.

(hint: nobody has as it gets really, really messy)

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>>58959417
Dont motherboards have one?

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>>58961014
>losing argument
>H-h-h-housefire!!!

You tried.

>>58961044
that was one of the worst replies I have seen on /g/ in a long time

wanna try refuting any of what i've said, realistically? or will you just accept that the FX 8XXX series aren't actually octa-core CPUs? jesus AMD boys get so messed up when you discredit their core count, as if it's the only thing they have going for their crappy financial decisions

sit down anon it's okay

>>58961037

No motherboard this day and age has any onboard graphics.

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>>58959495
>>58959558
>Not keeping a spare GPU from your old parts in case of emergency

Underage please go

>>58961037
Last gen only some mobos and they were never updated for win8/10

>>58960987
It clearly has 8 physical integer cores, retard.

>4 modules
>4 floating point cores
>8 integer cores
>2:1 INT:FP with 2 INT and 1 FP per module

>>58961014
>The chip that's the subject of our attention today is code-named Vishera, and it's the direct successor to the silicon that powered the prior-gen FX processors, which was known as Orochi. Vishera and Orochi share almost everything—both are manufactured on GlobalFoundries' 32-nm SOI fabrication process, both have 8MB of L3 cache, and both are essentially eight-core CPUs. The one big difference is the transition from Bulldozer to Piledriver cores—or, to put it more precisely, from Bulldozer to Piledriver modules. These "modules" are a fundamental structure in AMD's latest architectures, and they house two "tightly coupled" integer cores that share certain resources, including a front-end, L2 cache, and floating-point unit. Thus, AMD bills a four-module FX processor as an eight-core CPU, and we can't entirely object to that label.

Do you even read what you post? Not sure what your point is though.

>>58961074
Honestly is it too hard for your tiny brain to understand that the 8XXX and 9XXX FX CPUs have 8 INT cores?

>>58961088
>>58961107
Yeah?My previous mobo with phenom ii 965 and a cheap asus matx had one what happend?

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>>58959551
Are we sharing our apu collection?

>>58959700
This guy gets it.

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>>58961037
i just realized this little kitty is probably dead by now

>>58959927
I dont get it, why you talk about based nvidia

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>>58959533
kek, saved.

>>58961116
but if each 2 int cores share their L2 cache and SSE/FP instructions/pipelines they dont seem to be much different from a single int core with hyperthreading, except having another L1 cache.

>>58961128
I guess amd stopped caring

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>igpu for linux host
>GPU for Windows guest

>>58961196
AMD modules vs Intel cores. Clustered multithreading vs simultaneous multithreading. Different architectures.

Not everything is a 1 to 1 comparison

>>58961316

NO, INTEL HAS IT RIGHT.

AMD, IBM, ARM ARE ALL WRONG! WROOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

>>58960356
These Antifa faggots are either too busy protesting or they are too stupid to build their own computer anyways.

>>58959495

What is software rendering. Not even crap motherboards these days will prevent you from booting into Windows without a GPUs. They aren't and should never be mandatory for a computer to run.

>>58961284
>not using the GPU on your Linux host as well
Can you switch your GPu on the fly before passing it to a Windows KVM? I've never done it since my hardware doesn't support it.

>>58960269
>going months without a gpu
>has a gpu at all
The only retard here is (you).

>>5896141
>dat edgy
Oh boy...you need professional help. This is the off topicnest post ever.

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>>58959533
lmao

Is this Ryzen business legit? I have a 2600k overclocked to 4.3 or something and I haven't considered upgrading since I got it. Is AMD really making a cheap processor that can beat Intel?

I always ignored these threads when I saw AMD assuming it would suck until just now when I finally did some searches online... fuck I might have to get a new MOBO / processor when this comes out

>>58961582
>Is AMD really making a cheap processor that can beat Intel?
Well, they do.

>>58961582
>I always ignored these threads when I saw AMD assuming it would suck until just now when I finally did some searches online
Don't get your hopes up, AMD likes to overhype the shit out of everything and it'll probably be a massive failure like bulldozer. Don't get me wrong I hope it's great to light a fire under intels jewy ass but I won't get my hopes up;

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>>58961582
3570k at the same clocks here, I'll definitely upgrade. If it turns out it's Broadwell-E performance in single threaded applications, I will buy their top of the line 8 core. Encoding, building, and VMs will all get a boost and I'd like that.

>>58961582

AMD is just letting us know that when they release Ryzen, we've been paying for overpriced performance for far too long with Intel for the last 5 years or more

>>58961447
You need a dedicated GPU for your host and a GPU for the VM

Basically Ryzen with 2 480s is what I imagine a lot of people using for such a set up

Who cares, I'll just look at the performance/money value. I was going to make a build with 7600k + gtx 1070, but now I'll probably wait and get a 6 core, as soon as the benchmarks come out and prove it's either the same or better as Intel.

>>58961436
You.... Dude. Without an iGPU you don't even have a port to plug a monitor in. The one on your motherboard will not output anything. You don't have a framebuffer. How can you be this clueless?

>>58961411
what?

>>58959495
>not having at least a few spare ones
You belong on /v/

>>58959495
>CPU dies
>PC becomes useless until replacement arrives

Should not be allowed. Graphic cards should include a CPU.

>>58961760
CPUs don't die as much as GPUs

>>58959495
Take a look at all those (You)s that you got, congratulations.

>>58961662
Yes, I know. What I'm asking is that if I can change the GPUs on the fly. Let's say I have an iGPU and a discreet GPU, with the later running as the main GPU on the Linux host. Can't I restart X or something along the lines so that the Linux host switches to the iGPU? That way I can passthrough the discreet GPU without restarting the entire system.

Why aren't igpus always in use for general purpose computing floating point stuff offloading some render work


Why are the idle when gpu pluggrd in

>>58959495
t. Intel Graphics Department

>>58961697

What are USB monitors?

>>58961792
Probably not no, the whole process barely works as is

>>58961697
DUDE

Ever heard of WiGi?

>>58961811
Those are USB attached GPUs(or at least a framebuffer) with a monitor attached

HDDs die more than GPUs and CPUs, they should include a CPU and GPU too because your system is useless without storage

>>58959820
Are you actually trying to say that Intel will lover prices? Underage plsgo

>>58961014
bulldozer "8 core" chips have 4 modules with 2 integer cores and 1 FPU each

you're both right, stop being autistic

>>58961873
No, 4 modules = 4 cores

Did you know Zen actually only has two modules and two cores?

>>58959495
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-560-Ti-01G-P3-1563-AR-1GB-1GB-max-GDDR5-SDRAM-PCI-/262847159866?hash=item3d32e95e3a:g:N78AAOSwr~lYnnpo#rwid

Here you go faggot. That shit can probably still play some modern games.

>>58961662
Nah, you want different gfx cards for the VM and the host

>>58961697
You can easily run headless once you have something like TeamViewer

>>58961760
Not on gfx cards, but definitely a cheap onboard chip

>>58961890
(you).

>>58959417
>630€ for 1800x

DOA on arrival, instantly ordered a 7900k after reading this

>>58961845
There should be a 64GB onboard storage option. Anyway storage is cheap. Everyone already has multiple HDDs or SSDs

>>58961936
>DOA on arrival,
You're obviously a smart one

>>58961923
>you want different gfx cards for the VM and the host
Why's that?

Well then maybe a passive RX 460 or older 75W card for the linux box and the RX 480 for the passthrough, I know nvidia tries to prevent you from doing passthrough on their cards

>>58961949
No it shouldn't you dumb faggot, and if such a storage existed on ATX motherboards it would probably be retarded and have ring0 access and be able to tell your NIC what to do, no botnet thanks amigo

>>58961936
>i ordered a cpu that hasn't been released because of another cpus price that isn't released either and is unverifiable.

Thanks for the autism.

>>58959495
>He only has one dedicated gpu

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>>58959533

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>>58959417
>Not packaging the GPU with the CPU, saving you money

>>58959417
>no igpu
So I will get fuck for a KVM with PCI passtrought ?
I don't know much about that

>>58959744
Don't think the GF2 MX had PCi express...

>>58959533
> when Rajeesh doesn't get his daily cents and gets mad

>>58959495
Damn all those (You)s. Looks like AMD shills really are in full force today.

This is really disappointing in a way. I thought AMD was becoming competitive with Intel on power consumption but if they included a igpu like Intel that 95w suddenly becomes 140w.

>>58962161
'Twas merely a jest! I was only diagnosed by my doctor as pretending to be retarded!

>>58959417

Literally a non issue. You're just nitpicking. Performance road bikes come without pedals. Why? Because you're gonna use your own anyways. No need to increase costs over a part that's gonna be replaced anyways.

Intel doesn't need it, neither does AMD.
Waste of silicon on high core count CPUs

>>58962204
Intel's process tech is what's mostly responsible for their power savings

the classic Xeon 1231v3 was 80W without an iGPU

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>Intel's 8 cores don't have iGPUs either
>Intel shills pretend they need one

>>58962280
When you say process tech what specifically do you mean? AMDs GPUs are also generally less energy efficient than Nvidia as well so would the same scenario apply there too?

>>58962328
Nvidia only became efficient with Maxwell, and AMD has already caught up with polaris, the Fury Nano also showed that AMD can be very power efficient, it's just that they crank the voltage up more than they need to to get more chips on store shelves

my RX 480 for example can run at -144mV at it's stock 1306mhz

>>58961966
RIP in peace ryzen

>>58962382
not managing the async computing on hardware level helps

>>58961460
don't blame me that the 390 is such a shit gpu which can't even reach it's factory overclock without black screening.

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>>58962408

I appprove of this post.

>>58962127
Anon said PCI, not PCI-e.

>>58962401
AMD's kind of doing that with Ryzen, leaving out a few things that aren't needed for most workloads to hit that 95W TDP

>>58959533
Gold.
My brand new pasta ai fagioli to copiaroli.

>>58959533
Hi Corpsegrinder, is that you?

>>58959495
I have spare. What's your problem ?
Oh right here ( You )

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>>58959533
Mmm. Yes.
Saved.

>>58959495
Literally EVERYBODY who does custom builds have at least one spare gpu lying around. I have 5 and I only build a new pc every 3-4 years

>>58960269
>Yeah because everyone has a big stash of old parts tucked away in the corner
Yes, we all do. Go back to /v/ you piece of shit

Shit I was gonna build a pc without gpu.
Well then I wait to some AM4 motherboard manufacturer to make integrated graphics on their motherboards.

>>58961624
I'm exactly like this guy

>Ryzen leaked prices in Euro are way more expensive than those earlier leaks
worry.jpg

>>58963405
preorder price gouging probably.

>>58959495
Just get an APU instead then.

>>58959519
Shit, we could have mainstream 6-8 core without lame IGP.

>>58959533
good pasta

>>58959519
Not forgetting the fact that 6 &+ cpus don't have igpu

>>58959417
It's not an APU dumbass.

>>58959417

Good. iGPU in flaghsgip CPU piss me off, and I say that as a long time Intel user.
Who the fuck uses a 6700k/7700k without a discrete GPU?
They could have been easily 6-core for the same price if they didn't waste 1/3 of the die on something that has a minuscule chance to be used for like, a week, if your GPU dies.
I've had an i5 3350P since 2012 and an E3-1230v3 since 2013, neither has an iGPU and the number of times I was left hanging, wishing they had one, is zero.

>>58963864
intel's i3,15,i7 are not apus and they still have igpu retard.

>>58959495
I don't give a shit

>>58964002
They are apus though

>>58964002
The high-end Ryzen chips they're releasing right now are the equivalent to Intel's HE CPUs - which do not come with iGPUs.

When AMD updates their APUs to the new architecture, it'll of course come with an iGPU.

Basically, you're a fucking retard and should probably off yourself at your nearest convenience. No one wants a high-end CPU with an iGPU. Even Intel knows that.

>>58964075
And yet intel insists on shipping their unlocked k cpus with an iGPU nobody uses.

>>58961973
Not the guy you are replying to, but you want two different gpus for passthrough because the usual method involves blacklisting in Linux the gpu meant for the Windows guest because otherwise the Linux driver will grab that gpu first and then it's no longer free to be passed on the Windows guest. If you have the same card twice they may both report the same device id, making it impossible to blacklist only one of them. No idea if there is a work around because I haven't been in that situation.

>>58964099
I find it useful on my 4770K actually. I sometimes need it when a driver update goes south and I end up with a black screen at boot. I can boot to the iGPU instead. Uninstall the driver and try again. I can also use it for attaching another monitor.

>>58964182
This. amd fags btfo

>>58964182
>being a retard that literally fucks up one click install drivers button installs

>>58964182
never had that with my AMD, they usually also have multiple video out

>>58962451
Gf 2 was agp not pci

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>>58959495
what will I use if the cpu fails?

>>58959495
>>58959417
>What are onboard Graphics

>>58964384
Not a thing done since 2005

>>58964384
Have they even announced onboard graphics ? i remember getting burned with my am3 mobo not getting video drivers for win8/10 there was only a beta driver that was shit.

>>58961936
>DOA on arrival,
This is the level of retardation nowadays.

>>58959495
because AMD is a fucking scam, even intel has IGPU in case your gpu dies, also both ps4 and xbone has amd APU cheap as fuck but you can't buy those

>>58964664
APUs will ome alte ron.

>>58964675
yes

theres literally no reason to have a dedicated igpu unless you're a gaymer...

i just want a decent cpu that can play yt and other videos...


wtf AMD

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>>58959495

>They are just trying to jew you

>>58964717
Aka, a low end APU, which will come out later.

>>58964664
Intel only has iGPUs on their mid-tier and lower CPUs, they're proper stuff doesn't waste die area on shit GPUs because those products aren't aimed at Facebook machines and MS Office users.

>>58964170
Guess we just gotta hope AMD sends Wendell the 8c/16t chip and 2 RX 480s for testing that scenario

It's the nicest one if it works since you could also dual boot if you wanted to use crossfire for a game

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>>58960884

>>58964768

intel has igpu on all their consumer cpu's

only enterprise shit doesnt have an igpu

>>58964384
>>58964510
>>58964512
Only some server boards, and like 1 or 2 AM3+ boards have onboard graphics

a motherboard manufacturer can add some onboard stuff potentially since all the I/O is there because of the APUs

APU's are coming and they are CUTE

>>58964788
>intel has igpu on all their consumer cpu's
Except the high-end ones. "Enterprise" CPUs are Xeons, those go in servers and workstations and support ECC.

>>58964788
High end ones dont.
See any CPU for X99 chipset.

>>58964789

Those server board graphics are funny. Like Matrox chips with 8MB of RAM. Guess it works for a server, or to get you going until you can buy a real card if you want to do any gaming or content creation, though.

>>58964943
Most use VGA as well

Dont some AIO AM3 780g motherboards came with integrated graphics?

>>58962408
Nope.

t. 390 owner 1150 oc

>>58959533
calm down jim, we understood you did a good CPU

>>58961903
>>for parts or not working
Really spruces up those brainmeats

>>58959417
when does this release? I my cpu/mother is ruined from overclock cheap shit and I need to buy stuff asap. Was going to buy the latest i7

>>58966009
2 weeks.
March 3.

>>58966033
do you know if it will actually be available at that time with motherboards for it?

>>58966051
Motherboards are supposed to come out first.
Other than that there is no more official info.

The rest of the release info around are only rumors.

>>58960111

sadly nobody here is slav as fuck and will never get that but you and me.

>>58966067
cool, guess I will wait 2 weeks and get it. good time for my shit to start dying. Would be upgrading from my fx-6300 and 50 dollar msi mobo lol...

>>58966088
Well the cheapest Ryzon should be way better than your FX 6300.

>>58966114
oh yeah, it will be quite the upgrade. I'll be going for the of the high end models because I am not a poorfag like I was when I build my current box

>>58959417
>need an iGPU
>buy a motherboard that has one
>don't need one
>buy a motherboard without one
A better question is why are people forced to pay for an iGPU they don't use? This is the superior way to go.

>>58966154
We all have phones now, if you gpu dies you could just wait 2 days for amazon to bring you a new one. Not a big deal. Certainly not worth gimping your cpu for

>>58966174
That's my point, iGPUs in CPUs are dumb.

>>58959533

He's right

Have we come to the point where an OS can't even boot without a GPU/iGPU?

What am I missing here?

>intel has shitty integrated graphics
>literally everybody has always hated it
>AMD chooses not to go down this road
>REEEEE WHERE'S MY iGPU
I'm imagining that some company will start shipping these with a cheapie gpu for business users and shit, but most people who want this will be using a real GPU instead of integrated shit.

Coming from AMD Athlon X2 to Ryzen. What a huge leap.

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>Ryzen

>almost
>around
>essentially
>practically
>relatively
>roughly
>virtually
>near to
>not far from
>on the edge of
>on the verge of
>as good as
>bordering on
>close to
>for all practical purposes
>in the neighborhood of
>just about

That famous AMD value!

>>58967298
if you're only looking at old CPUs they can all be had for pennies, it's kind of pointless.

Also passmark is the most garbage of all benchmarks, including Sysmark and Geekbench.

>>58967298
passmark is beyond worthless anon

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>>58959533
We all feel what you wrote but don't say it.

What are the odds of Ryzen shitting the bed?

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if ryzen doesn't have a gpu included, why the am4 motherboards have vga/dvi connectors?

>>58959495
>Not having a spare GPU
I know its not common, but whenever I upgrade my GPU, I usually keep the old one.

I have the GTX 1070 and a GTX 970 at the moment. If my 1070 dies somehow, I can plug my 970 back in.

However, when I upgrade to the next one, I will probably get rid of the 970 and keep the 1070. The cycle continues.

>>58967664
Because AM4 socket will also be used for APUs.

>>58967617
They're gonna have to try pretty hard to fuck this up.

>>58967695
AMD is the master of fucking shit up.

Here's the likely thing that's going to happen; like the 480 (which was decent), the supplies will be WAY lower than the demand, sending prices skyrocketing, making them completely unbuyable to anyone who isn't a sycophantic AMD fanatic. And by the time the prices come down again, intel have countered with their own price cuts.

>>58967731
This is the most logical thing and I hope it doesn't go that way.

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>>58967664
am4 is for everything, can you imagine changing CPU like videocard effortlessly next 5 years?
no more socket every year
no more overpriced chipsets
no more intel jew!

>>58967731
every single AMD rep swears it will have wide availability, heck I had a few 480 in my hellhole of a city in a middle of nowhere without premium everyone seem to complain about
I think overpricing happened only in US.

>>58967753
They will have to change sockets in the next iteration. The bus going to the external SB is severely limited by the PCIe 2.0 lanes dedicated to it. Zen+ may introduce PCIe 3.0 to the chipset, but AM4 does not support PCIe 2.0 coming from the integrated SB. AM4+ will be backwards compatible with AM4, but that's small comfort for buying a whole new motherboard.

>>58967773
That being the case, it may be true that instead of demand actually being higher than supply- retailers were actually holding stock back to produce an artificial scarcity in the US.

Because it's the retailers who benefit from this kind of activity.

>>58959495
>gpu dies
>spend 40$ on a gt 610 with same day shipping
problem solved

>>58959495
>Sharing TDP and resources with a failed-fetus iGPU struggling to breathe under the weight of my dedicated graphics.

Shiggy Diggy (You)

>>58959533
hmmmm yes quite pungent indeed

>>58968267
This conspiracy actually makes sense if you consider that intel and nvidia are totally capable of leaning on retailers to get them to do this.
If anyone has the ability to investigate interactions between retailers and intel (and possible lawsuits, lawyers who manage to get billion dollar lawsuits make a lot of money...) should do so.

>>58959533
This is why I still come here

I need an iGPU, I have a mini-ITX motherboard with one full pcie slot, and I want to use the graphics card in a VM. The host needs graphics as well, and currently Intel HD Linux drives are nearly the best that's out there.

>>58968387
>58968387
this.

>>58968387
>>58968393
iGPUs will still be a thing, they'll just be on the motherboard.

>>58968401
Says who ?

>>58968406
Why wouldn't it be that way? That's literally how it's been every time there wasn't That's how it was with AMD's previous generations, that's how it was with Intel's previous generations.

>>58968428
Man I fucked that up, you get the point though

>>58968255
you say it like it would be possible to tap out pci 2.0 with any kind of storage device in next 5 years

also it's already confirmed am4 is 5 year socket
there is no reason to change southbridge, specially in consumer market

>>58968437
>also it's already confirmed am4 is 5 year socket
2017 to 2020 is only 3 years, pal.

>>58968445
it came out in 2016, okay still 3 years more than intel

Let's fucking face it, iGPU is for fucking faggots. Whether you're an Intelfag or an AMDfag, it doesn't matter. iGPU is a fucking scam. I'll tell you why, bitch. The reason they want you all sucking cocks and using integrated GPUs is because the CPU has direct access to your graphics and can fucking take covert screenshots and video captures of you jacking off to the sickest gay pornos on the planet, like GNU software developers deep-throating and eating shit while taking poz loads in the ass, all without you even being aware of it. Not only that, but the iGPU has a fucking built in FPGA. THAT'S FUCKING RIGHT. Normally, it's used for vertex and pixel shading, but ever notice how your fucking framerate stutters all of the time? It's because the FPGA just got reprogrammed on the fly into a fucking 4G transmitter on alternate frames to to send your disgusting fap material to Intel's vans run by CIA niggers. They use your entire motherboard and chassis as a fucking antenna. Do I need to say anymore?

Using iGPU is like using AIDS.

>>58968881
I'd rather have an iGPU and a graphics card than need a bigger computer to accommodate a second graphics card.

>>58968895
>second graphics card
What? Just spend less money on your CPU by not getting one with a iGPU and get a better GPU
Multi-GPU solutions are retarded and so are you.

>>58968881
iGPU has its place, but its place is not ENTHUSIAST HIGH END

>>58968921
Being this concerned over imaginary bullet point feature lists for ENTHUSIAST HIGH END

>>58968921
I'm not talking about running Crossfire or anything, I'm talking about PCIe passthrough. iGPU for Linux and graphics card for a Windows VM.

>>58968940
Then either dualboot or realise that Zen is not being made for your extremely specific and frankly kind of retarded use-case.

>>58968963
How is avoiding needing to dualboot retarded? And I'm sure iGPUs will still be a thing, they'll just be on the motherboard. If not, I'll just go for an APU.

>>58962315
You mean xeons?

Those aren't consumer processors. Those aren't matter to us.

>>58959495
So if your RAM dies the CPU should have RAM too? if your HD dies the CPU should have room for booting OS? If your mobo dies should the CPU connect through telepathy with the other components? If your display dies should CPU send images to your cortex via Wifi?

Go fuck yourself.

>>58968989
>I don't know what the i7E line is

>>58959495
VESA-mode is a thing.
Just render via CPU.

Or are (you) labouring under the misapprehension that the CPU cannot calculate floating points or some shit?

>>58959519
>Pointless on a high performance platform
Not everyone's a gamer.

>>58959820
>process will take months
What shithole do you live? I'm my banana land if I dont hear about my product in 7 days they are fucked.

>>58961936
>I will pay double because taco
How nigger are you?

>>58961347
Wait, which side is Oracle on?

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>>58959533
Thank you for feeding me.

>>58963928
They're not made for you.
They're made for me.
I have an expensive as fuck Thinkpad with 2tb SSD and an i7. But no GPU, because it's a programman and consultan machine and thus doesn't need it.

I'm the market they're going for.

> tfw Intel only gives me 4 cores

You can't have it all I guess.

>>58969021
>Buy a 1800$ CPU
>can't afford a 100$ GPU

>>58969021
What's GPGPU?

>>58969128
Of course he can't. He just spent $1800 on a CPU.
lrn2reed.

>>58959495
>not having a backup GPU

wtf I thought people here were good with computers

ITS OVA IGP IS BANKRUPT!

>>58966068
R3ddit fuckstains like this is what's killing /g/

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>>58959533
Nice

>>58964170
>>58964771
There are some workarounds yes, it requires you to patch the kernel though.

honest question; why not ditching the simd unit for a igpu? makes the gpu and the cpu use the same memory manager unit and allows the cpu to move igpu instructions from its queue to the gpu instructions queue.

>>58970736
Because GPU shit themselves at if then else

>>58970736
>>58970743
Yes, GPUs are absolutely shit when lots of branching is involved.
Only certain types of computations are good on GPUs.

>>58970743
but the simd unit has nothing to do with branching too.

>>58970710
that memory score is very bad. and it affects both the prime numbers and physics score. memory score should be around 3500.

>>58970758
Even then, just moving the data to/from GPU memory is going to waste a lot of time.
Unless they are both sharing the same memory, but even that has its own disadvantages for normal GPU stuff.

>>58970769
we have no clue if its something inherent to the memory (it did fuck with them a bit) of if its legacy bullshit that amd has not sorted out completely, note memory latency, the i7 6700k that I replaced my scores with was getting 22 at normal and not over 30 when he matched his memory to what that build used. with a total score over 3000 for the memory mark

little weird at least, but more likely than not, not a deal breaker for almost anyone,

>>58970776
>Even then, just moving the data to/from GPU memory is going to waste a lot of time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterogeneous_System_Architecture

also, the simd unit of a cpu and the computing unit of a gpu are not different; AMD even call these last ones "simd engines".

you could share the ports of these "simd engine" between the igpu and the cpu.

>>58970802
>the i7 6700k that I replaced my scores with was getting 22
definitely something is wrong with the memory there. 76 latency on ddr4?! fuck no

>not a deal breaker for almost anyone

well of course, this is a memory thing. god damn those integer scores is out of the charts.

>>58970844
this could be an amd fucked up the memory portion again, could be barely functional ram, have no real clue, but even assuming that amd fucked the memory, still fucking great.

/g/ Intel shills shouldn't be allowed to buy Ryzen.

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>>58959417
>>58959533

Best post of the year, new copy pasta / saved.

>>58968881

It's true actually, all lake chips are created with this backdoor which cannot be disabled.

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>>58959533

>>58970769
>>58970802
it's hard to understand how AMD could have allowed the memory subsystem to underperform, given that they're banking big bucks on 8 channel Naples systems.

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>>58969021
If you are doing anything on a desktop/workstation that needs a high end CPU you will almost definitely need a GPU for GPGPU task.

Servers don't need graphics at all.

APUs exist for the mainstream and casual gamer market.

>>58971946
how important is that latency? and what does the latency number mean? I mean is it millisecond or is it nanosecond, does it significantly impact performance, or is it just a low point that heavily weights on the overall score?

>>58959495
buy a motherboard with built in graphics

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>>58972039
It's nanosecond.
It was already confirmed the test was done with RLY shity memory with shitty timings.

>>58972073
oh fucking horrible memory, shit so bad you can't buy it, then AdoredTV matched his ram to it manually, and could not get numbers as shit on his 6700k

Its either the ram was fucking horrible
the motherboard was fucking horrible
or amd has higher latency then intel, but really dont know how much this matters.

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>>58960884

>>58972073
I want an AMD-tan nendoroid. They could sell them together with CPUs.

>>58972039
>>58972073
So measured Ryzen DDR4 latency was 76 ns?
What could be considered a good score for a modern processor?

>>58972361
6700k is 22

>>58969127
then get a cheap as fuck discrete one the fuck is another 200$ when you can also have an 8 core cpu?

but then again laptops are fucking toys and should always be treated as such.

>>58966174
better yet, why not allow an onboard gpu to have a socket for it that you can plug one in? kind of like bios chips or a cpu, but something that is just shitty enough to run the os

This way the motherboards bom doesn't go up significantly and if you don't need it it doesn't come with one, if you do, its a drop in purchase.

>>58960502
lower die size = more cpus per wafer
more cpus per wafer = lower cost
liking amd = not buying from a company that decreased cpu size from 32nm to 14nm but still charge the same price for barely any improvement.

>>58959417
this is the reason ryzen is half the cost of intels craps, no igpu in cpu. Thats the reason there weakest cpu's have actual 4 cores and will be cheaper than i3 and they are oc'able. anything under 7600k, will be AMD territory, buy cheap amd 4core, get cheap b350 mobo, get hyper212, have better performance than i5 7500 with slighty oc, but cost half.
I never had AMD cpu before but i will get zen as next build.
>currently still sporting 4.3 oc'ed 3570k and 670gtx (gtx670 is the bottleneck right now)

>>58972001
>you will almost definitely need a GPU for GPGPU task.
Oh, what's the name of that C++ compiler that is GPU accelerated?

>>58960453
nigga are you me on monday? How did I figure out time traveling?

>>58960749
they do, but they are to replace broken dual cores, we are coming up on the ass end of many motherboards expected life spans, there may very well be an uptick in prebuilds in the coming months.

>>58972373
that seems quite low. sauce?

>>58973418
AdoredTV just put out the bench with his. also posters on fuck if I know forum did an ivy bridge ddr3 with also shitty memory, only slightly better then what was in the ryzen sample, and got 34 for the latency.

Honestly want to know how important that latency is, for me, >>58970710 it doesnt matter, its such a huge fuck off performance uptick it doesn't matter.

>>58963405
did you remove the 30-40% vat tax?

>>58966559
polaris 12 is supposedly just that.

>>58968343
retailers had 10-20x the stock nvidia's gpus had, but somehow amd sold out for months and all nvidia gpus have out sold it.

>>58968445
they said the next socket will be out when ddr5 is a thing.

>>58972561
the wrath cooler is about as good as a 212, within a 2 degree delta