AMD BTFOing Intel

>Implying this is legit
>Implying 1700x wont be 30% below a 7700k

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DELET THIS

>>58941100
Clearly you weren't around during bulldozer.
The bulldozer hype started with massive hype "intel killer", etc. But then leaks came out and it was garbage and the reaction was "b-b-but it's just a engineering sample" and "implying this is legit".

Then bulldozer came out and it was worse than the leaks.

If anyone in the thread truly believes their position, you could always take this to the markets and either have a bullish or bearish position on AMD stock. Personally, I'd just ride the hype wave and get off early before things get too shaky. If it fails, then you got out early, if it succeeds well you may have missed some gains, but at least you are still green.

>>58941112
This is probably final product, it's launching in less than a month

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>>58941112
Fanboys were hyping Bulldozer, AMD wasn't.
AMD gave a HotChips presentation on the Bulldozer arch a full year before it was released. They admitted there was some serial performance regressions, talked about how they needed to focus on increasing clocks to gain serial throughput. It was pretty explicit. The only one really blowing smoke up anyone's ass was JF-AMD on various forums, and he was nothing but a marketing schlub.

Not at all comparable to Zen. Zen is a big core comparable to intel's latest arch in near everything but size of the FPU.
Zen has been tested by independent reviewers already who confirmed its performance. CanardPC has had a published review of a Ryzen ES for weeks. There aren't any major surprises left here.

>>58941073
>i7 6950x @ 3.0GHz

???? it boosts up to 3.5...

AMD PLZ TRY HARDER

>>58941171
Honest question

How important is multicore with current or near future game engines? I need to make a decision buying either a 7700k or 1700x within the next month as i have my dan a4 sfx arriving. What do

>>58941196
There are plenty of games out there that benefit from having 6-8 cores, but they're not pulling ahead by a huge degree. The biggest impact they have is in providing higher minimum frame rates during intense scenes.
A high clocked 4 core CPU is still decent enough, particularly if it has 8 threads, I wouldn't invest in an i5 right now.

>>58941196
Multicore, Intel is moving to hex cores being standard in about 8 months.

>>58941213
You think hex cores would be on 1151? I hope they dont jew out and change the platform

>>58941239
I doubt a new chip with two more cores would have the same pinout as current quad core Skylake and Kaby Lake chips. It'd probably be on a new socket.

How much does 6950X cost?

Why do people doubt Jim shittekter Keller

>>58941277
$1650

>>58941277
$1700 give or take
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117643

>>58941292
>>58941295
Holy shit, intel jewery is real.

>>58941292
>>58941295
If you "smart" you can buy it for $1400

OP's benchmark is great, but the 1700x is OC'd while the 6950x not. 1Ghz the difference.

That being said I'm more interested in 1600x (6c/12t) at sub $300.

I don't think AMD will beat Intel in performance, but with budget. I mean finally you can buy a proper 6 core CPU for a great price.

>>58941292
>>58941295
THE JEWS

>>58941333
>1Ghz the difference.
If that Ryzen chip really is running at 4ghz, then the difference in clockspeed is only 500mhz. The Broadwell-E i7 6950X will run at 3.5ghz on all cores.

I am running Intel core i3-2120 3.30GHz (2 cores 4 threads)
If I upgrade to Ryzen 1700X will I see any difference in compiling times?

>>58941333
You must compare the 6950x to the 3.4ghz zen. 6950x runs also around 3.4-3.5ghz.

So, as far as cards to pair with Ryzen, guess the 480 is the "best" option at the moment?

Not that it matters since id be mostly playing at 1080

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Our Ryzen in heaven,
hallowed be AMD,
your IPC be high,
your clocks be high,
on air as on water.

Give us our needed performance.
Forgive us our sins,
as we forgive you for Bulldozer.
Save us in the time of benchmarks,
and deliver us from evil Intel.

Thank you based Jim,
based Lisa, based Raja,
now and for ever.

Ryzen

>>58941552
Good for you AMDrone, accepting that Ryzen belongs in heaven (or perhaps hell) because that shit is going to be dead on arrival.

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>>58941552
HAIL RYZEN

>>58941333
>OP's benchmark is great, but the 1700x is OC'd while the 6950x not. 1Ghz the difference.
The 1800X boosts up to 4, they OC'd their sample to emulate it

>>58941552
it truly is the central processor used in heaven

>>58942007
>heaven
>x86

>>58941196
unreal engine

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>>58941073
Do you think this based Indian would lie to us?

Please AMD, just hurry up. My sandybridge mobo is struggling to stay alive. only 2 of the RAM slots work now and at no higher than 1333MHz.

>>58941389

I'm guessing yes. I have one of those, and although they were good for the price at the time, new processors are way more efficient. The thing is, i don't think you need that good of a processor for compiling, unless you need every second and have the money to spare.

A 7th gen i5 should be a good upgrade

Do we even have a release date for this shit yet or is it still SOON™

>>58943021
March 2nd is the current scuttle

>>58941073
>i7 6950X @ 3.0Ghz
>@ 3.0Ghz
Jesus fucking Christ you guys

>>58942481
I liked him with mustache better, he looked like indian film villain.

>>58944221
it doesn't go higher

>>58944257
>Max Turbo Frequency 3.50GHz
And in case you don't know how intel CPUs work it stays at 3.5 during load unless you intentionally disable it.
Not to mention that the 6950X actually boost the core being used the most to 4.0GHz by itself
WCCTech is literally FUD the website and this just goes to prove it

>>58941213
AMD's already pushing 8-core as standard in 2 weeks with the absurdly aggressive pricing of their chips.

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>>58941196
Watch Dogs 2 will scale with as many threads as it can get.

$300 Ryzen's are competing with Intel's $1000 CPUs. What a time to be alive.

Intel is finished and bankrupt.

>>58941073
amd just caught up to 8 month old intel chips.

>btfoing

get the fuck out of here. more cores and more power draw in a market that doesn't need it and wont use it for another 4 years.

>>58943021
The soon trademark belongs to blizzard, please cease and desist.

>>58944721
it's also just as fucking awful as watch dogs the first so who cares

>>58944795
>more cores
Yeah, and this is a good thing.
>more power draw
Nope.
>just caught up to 8 month old intel chips.
Not as if intel has improved their chips since then.

>>58944795
>yes goyim, keep on buying our overpriced 4C4T garbage tech from 2009 and stalling progress

>>58944721
>thousand dollar cpu
>thousand dollar gpu
>barely even 60 frames per second
THIS
GENERATION
SUCKS

>>58944721
that's at 1080p too
lmfao devs aren't even trying to make their games playable on pc anymore. 0 fucks given for their million dollar games

>>58944812
Feel free to fuck off to /v/ if you want to discuss the merits of the game itself. This is a technology board and the underlying engine is perhaps the most scalable and forward-thinking yet seen in a video game, which makes it interesting.

>>58944837
Keep in mind that this is completely maxed out, beyond even the game's ultra setting (which doesn't turn on several options, including extended distance scaling). I don't know why people think engines designed to push past the limits of current hardware are a bad thing.

People lament the original Crysis as the kind of boundary-pushing PC game that doesn't get made any more. Yet every time a hugely-demanding game comes along, people bitch because their 660 Ti won't run it maxed out at 120fps.

>>58944847
The game scales down extremely well to lesser hardware. I pirated it and can run it a solid 60fps with my three year old 290X with a handful of the more advanced options turned off/down (and no MSAA of course). It still looks great.

I expect the 1700x to be about $100 more expensive than a 7700k. While the 7700k will still be the gaming performance king. Reason to get ryzen will be lots of cores for less money.

We can argue all we want but graphics cards will still more important for games.

>>58944878
>Yet every time a hugely-demanding game comes along
because they're not doing anything that some shitty $200 gpu isn't capable of maxing out already.
crysis was amazing visually and engine wise as the closest thing to the realism and destruction was bad company 2 which looks like an n64 title compared to crysis. (and there still are some retarded design flaws preventing it from running well on most modern hardware today)

tl;dr devs are lazy cunts.
you're using a rebranded rx 480 and i'm supposed to be impressed with the fact that it runs the game well?

>>58945149
>rebranded rx 480
Fuck off, retard.

>>58945181
>he thinks his gpu isn't the epitome of GCN
>he doesn't realize nothing but rebrands (aside from HBM) have come out since
the rx 480 is literally the exact same gpu. check their performance if you don't belief.

>>58941212
>The biggest impact they have is in providing higher minimum frame rates during intense scenes.
Literally all that matters. I hate dipping below 40-50fps in certain games.

>>58945205
>tfw got a used 290x for $220 instead of an rx480 for $380

Vega when

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>>58941073
HOW WILL THEY EVER RECOVER?

>>58945205
I'm not even the guy with the RX 480 you were responding to, just tired of retards like you equating Hawaii with Polaris.

They are not "literally the exact same gpu." McFucking kill yourself ESL tech illiterate.

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>>58944721
>those FX CPUs
Fuckin branchless integer monsters I swear

>>58945246
what RX 480 is $380?

the ones I've seen have all been around $220

>>58945287
Probably talking syrupnigger or kanganigger bux.

>>58945287
This is in Canada with maple tax.

In burgerbux the 290x was $168. Good deal?

>>58941171
>Zen is a big core
For you.

>>58945246
enjoy your housefire.

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>>58945302
>kanganigger
Just call them Austrians

niggeroo sounds better too

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>>58945323
Will do

>>58945270
>hurr durr it has a different code name!
>hurr durr it shifted nm!!!
>hurr durrr the architecture is the same but they're different i swears!!!
>hurr durr their performance is identical but it's impossible that they're the same!!!
>anyone who says it's a rebrand must be retarded, just look at all those similarities, no way is it the same!

>>58945272
they'll rear their heads again when AMD decides SMT is not enough
The cores themselves were pretty good, just their branch predictor would shit the bed often and when it did, the cache was slow and too high of latency to re-feed the cores, even long after the rest of the core was redesigned it was still too slow.

>>58945354
Yes
Yes, 28nm to 14nm was a good sized jump
Well yeah at the core it's still centered around 16 wide SIMD clusters in groups of four with a shared cache and scheduler. Enough of the render output processors, geometry pipeline, and memory controllers changed that they can be classified as different architectures.
Their performance is not identical, the RX 480 is arguably bandwidth limited, with a 256 bit bus. Even with the DCC implementation added in GCN 1.2, it's enough to keep its performance down. In times where it isn't limited by bandwidth it outperforms a 390X.
Yeah everyone who says it's a rebrand is infact retarded.

>>58945422
Yeah as long as FX wasn't given branches it was pretty much fine. People god damn love their if elses though.

Wonder if we'll ever see a return of Itanium's branch "prediction", it'd go down both paths simultaneously and then drop a path when the condition resolved.

>>58945480
>Their performance is not identical
>same min/max/avrg frames per second in real world tests
here are two eggs, they contain the exact same amount of nutrients and total weight, but i'll tell you they taste different because i painted the shells differently.
no way is it a rebrand anon, it just tastes the same and leaves you feeling filled exactly as the other one does.
no way in hell are they the same though. nope nope nope. rebranding doesn't happen, especially not for my super cool technologically advanced eggs.
never in the pc industry has anyone ever rebranded anything.
ever.

>>58945604
frametimes, framedrops, tesselation handling, ROP throughput, pixel and shader engine throughput are all different for the 480

Please try to do 32x tesselation on anything older than it and tell me how it goes for you. Hell, even 16x.

>>58945604
Things having the performance of previous things while being completely different is common in computers mate. The 7750 and 5770 had nearly identical performance in games, but would you say the 7750 was a rebrand despite being a completely different architecture that used much less power on a smaller process node?

But then there is the 6770, that was quite literally a rebrand of the 5770, same core, same codename, same frequency, same performance. You could crossfire a 5770 and 6770 together even. That's a rebrand.

>>58942239
You are correct, they would more likely use AMD64, A.K.A. x86_64, not an outdated 32-bit x86...

>>58945149
>because they're not doing anything that some shitty $200 gpu isn't capable of maxing out already.
damn this is some next gen retardation

>>58941196

Its not just game engine scaling, its system resources. If you have only a dual core chip doing anything in the background (or even background OS tasks because lol windows) eat into resources you'd want for da vidya.

Its why with the huge amount of cache and threads MOAR COARS offers you can do a lot more without your cpu dying a painful death the second you try to play anything intensive.

>>58944790
>$300 Ryzen's are competing with Intel's $1000 CPUs. What a time to be alive.

This is what people don't get. The 1700X is barely behind a 1,500$ chip, while having a price of around 350$. Intel is fucked in several ways.

>>58941108
How's this series, by the way?

>>58945682
>this shit again

>>58941196
Big companies are all using multithread. Indie devs don't make demanding enough games for you to care.

>>58946844
>Big companies are all using multithread.
Only if they have competent coders, like DICE, CDPR or id.

>shitty dual channel
>can't handle 2666 ddr4

>faster than Intel

How?

I'll wait for the real benches.

>>58946883
You don't need quad channel unless you want workstation and AMD will have workstation CPUs too.

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>>58946893
Yeah the 16 core Zen's are gonna be good shit. Don't even care about the 32 core that'll just be overkill overpriced crap.

Wonder if they'll try a dual socket skullmeme equivalent for consumers.

>Implying Intel fears AMD and not Apple and Samsung

Accept your inevitable new processor overlords /g/.

>>58946993

Apple and Samsung have already fucked Intel out of the mobile market.

>>58946993
Qualcomm, Applel and Samsung already killed any chance for Intel to get into mobile market.

>>58946934
>Yeah the 16 core Zen's are gonna be good shit.
>quad channel memory and lotsa highly clocked core for 1/3rd of Intel's price
Sounds like a wet dream but please be real.

>>58947107

Only the server chips will be quad channel - desktop ryzen is dual channel. Then again if quad channel matters to you you're buying a xeon anyway (ECC yo) so meh.

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>>58947173
Naples is 8 channel

>>58947192
Only for top 32/64 part.
>>58947173
>Then again if quad channel matters to you you're buying a xeon anyway (ECC yo) so meh.
AMD chips usually support ECC.

>>58947376

>AMD chips usually support ECC.

Bulldozer was a long time ago and nothing newer (iirc) has it.

>>58942968
Not the guy you replied to, but try to compile something big (android, chromium, libre office, etc) with a i3-2120.
Chromium alone will take a whole day.

Aight niggas I got a question.

My old i7 920 lets me enjoy games with my rx480, but I'm crazy CPU bottlenecked.

Should I bother throwing a Xeon x5650 and Overclock it? My 920 is a space heater running at 3.6 or 3.8 when it turbos. I FINALLY turned HT on because it helps in shit like hitman DX12.

So Xeon x5650 and stay with this motherboard thats missing SATA3, though I don't really need it?

Or wait for Zen. Anyone able to tell me if the x5650 will give me enough of a boost in single core performance once i've got it overclocked? Should go to 4.0 easily since its 32nm vs my 45nm furnace I'm running now.

I'm in Florida so the ambient temp is allready high, It'll idle at like 55 degrees. Need to dial in my voltages though.

>>58947590
Just fucking wait for Ryzen, it also has new chipset and mobos are fairly affordable.

>>58941987
they oced 3.4ghz to 4.0ghz base to emulate 4.0ghz turbo? how does that make any sense?

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>>58942481
He probably betted it on Ryzen not going over 3,0 GHz at launch.
The moustache is now hanging on the wall in Lisa's Su office, above the fireplace.

>>58945354
>>58945604
>fps is the only metric I understand
You are such a dumbass.

>>58947979
We are going to build a wall and make /v/ pay for it.

>>58948105

/g/ will basically implode when ryzen drops and the /v/ spillover will be the only thing left standing in the crater because stupidity is sometimes the best defence.

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>>58948105
wrong
we're going to cut content and make /v/ pay for it
see: Nintendo's new Zelda and its expansion pass

>>58948221
>Nintendo's new Zelda and its expansion pass
New Zelda has DLCs? For what purpose.

>>58941073
I'll believe it when I see it

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>>58948247
>For what purpose.

>>58948268
Also Switch is a trash-tier underpowered tablet.

>>58944837
>ubisoft
What did you expect?

>>58945354
So, Pascal is a rebrand of Maxwell, no?

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>>58941073
Question:

I have a Xeon 1231 (Haswell, 4c/8t, 3.4GHz) + 980Ti

Would Zen theoretically give me higher AVG/minimum FPS in games?

>>58948911
Nah.

The only thing Intel BTFOs AMD at is naming schemes. The fuck is "Ryzen 7 1700X"

>>58948658
duhh.

tho kepler to maxwel was gains so a single rebrand aint half as bad as three in a fucking row

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>>58947606

yeah the mobos are nice

>>58949001
They should get rid of the cringy gaymer ryzen bullshit and just call it r7 1700x.

>>58949032
They probably will, that's how they name their GPUs.
>>58949028
>new crosshair
Nooooice.

>>58945205
You need to stop typing. You have got to be one of the stupidest person I ever seen on /g/ with in 5 years. I'm also not of those guys, but you really are stupid think the 480 is a rebrand.

>>58949041
Where's da sabertooth?

>>58949028
Have any of the mobo manufacturers shown off any x300 mITX boards yet? I can only find the ATX boards.

>>58949211
There are two from Biostar, but with X370 and B250
https://smallformfactor.net/news/mini-itx-am4-board-biostar-unveiled

Sadly no photo

>>58949211
Nope, there may not be any mITX boards available at launch, which sucks.

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>>58949211

Only biostar so far

https://smallformfactor.net/news/mini-itx-am4-board-biostar-unveiled

>>58949442
>mITX
>posts something that's not

>>58949674
The article has two mini-itx models too, but lacks pics for those.

>>58941785
IS THAT WHY THE NAME SEEMED FAMILIAR? FUCKIN YU YU HAKUSHO?

>>58949682
Then don't post a picture. /v/ermins have a hard enough time telling an ATX board from a graphics card

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>>58942481
Raja's valentine date be like

>>58949974
I'd cuddle Ryzen-based PC too.

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>>58949974
>LED lit rings
>probably 212 Evo performance

>>58951063
>faked renders

Speaking of AMD BTFOing... i can't help but feel that Vega is going to be Polaris's replacement instead of their high end card at this point in Polaris's lifespan.

Then again depends how scalable Vega's architecture is.

>>58951201
They have an ace up their sleeve.
Vega can execute two instructions every clock, twice the throughput per CU of any prior GCN arch, and it clocks higher than all other designs as well.
Vega will be exactly like Zen. Tease some modest performance figures, let fanboys argue over some low clocked early engineering samples, then release a part with higher performance than the competition expected by a long shot.

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>>58951063
Stock cooler with RGB? I'm ready.

>>58951256
I wouldn't doubt we'll see at least something on the table with Polaris-based architecture in the future. As it stands now it's a carefully crafted design for maximum yields under a very flexible power window. The fact lauch chips were basically running extremely close to the minimum specification and only recently see more OC-capable chips in the wild is proof of this. It suggests the higher binned offerings once exclusive to OEM's are trickling down to us and that they can pull an exception amount of imperfect yet still acceptable chips from a single wafer.

With some further updates, a less conservative minimum specification, and a higher CU count they could make a gtx 1070-level "big" polaris/polaris 1.1. It'd make for an excellent replacement in the same price range.

Though if Vega proves to be as scalable in its basic foundation as GCN 1 has proven to be, they may very well just cut it down to fill lower tiers. We won't really know until more details surface but we already know GCN has been an undeniably well designed and flexible arch and 1.3 could still hold its own for the foreseeable future.

>>58941531
For 1080 gaming, a 480 is fine.

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>>58944306
Sometimes automatic tools will report the base clock instead of the turbo clock. See this screenshot I just took on my computer.

>>58944878
But crysis was a horrible pig and it's *good* that games like that don't get made anymore.

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>>58941073

I just want to throw this out there but even the difference between a 7700 and 6900 in single thread is 16.5%

Depending on AVX and some other factors and we'll still be seeing a 20%+ performance deficet per thread from AMD. So if your chasing 6900/6950 great but this is a win only in price (which is no small matter!)

I'm still hyphy but this is no Athlon/P4 redux.

>>58947489
All their enthusiast/workstation chips have ECC. It so happens that their most recent enthusiast chips are in the Bulldozer family.

>>58951875
Good thing overclocking is ridiculously easy.
Quad cores are pretty much irrelevant now for anything but entry level desktops.

Both AMD and intel have higher core count enthusiast tier hardware, productivity workloads favor more threads, even tons of games do now. With Coffee Lake intel is even bringing 6 cores to their mainstream product line, so you won't need an i7E if you want 6c/16t. Basically the era of the quad core ends in 2017.
They're no longer quad cores, they're quad poors.

Don't be a quad poor owner.

>>58952084
Most people don't overclock, most want their investment to be working as long as possible.

And your "quad core" entry level schpeel is still just at the meme stage. It'll happen but not for a few years yet.

And only a few types of productivity favor many core design, most productivity done on PCs could be done on a fast single core.

It's exciting and it's the future but this is a win for value more than anything else. Let's see if they can keep it up a cycle or two. Then we might see some real moves but for now this is just catch up and doesn't exactly set the world on fire for people who are not focused on gaymes and video encoding (not everything can be parallelized after all).

>>58952084
>They're no longer quad cores, they're quad poors.
>Don't be a quad poor owner.
This. i5/i7 cucks BTFO.
>mfw when fags think their pathetic 7700k's are good
Dumbass /v/irgins.

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>>58952173
You realize all the chips your excited about are at a higher price point than 90%+ of the buying public are willing to pay don't you?

>>58951063
Amds stock cooler is literraly the biggest loudest piece of shit.
I had it on a phenom ii 965 literally a jet engine.

Looking at numbers... 2c/4c 4t to 8t stuff are priced lower at about the same rate that their performance will be lower

There's an edge in power efficiency which is great but unless your going to spending hundreds and hundreds on a CPU it's still an uphill battle for AMD to gain mainstream market share.

>>58952182
Pretty much the $129 lowest end Ryzen will have the speed of Intel's mid-tier i5s which run for around $175-$200. Plus all of these chips are unlocked so we might even get faster speeds.

>>58952213
You're overestimating the performance considering the workload non-gaming software will exert.

The excitement is real, the hype is not.

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>>58952191
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10500/stock-cooler-roundup-intel-amd-vs-evo-212
Their new coolers are decent. Only a couple degrees and a couple db behind the CoolerMaster Evo 212. Pretty impressive considering the Wraith only uses a 90mm fan and is a fraction of the weight of the 212.

>>58952191
It's funny but the i5 750 I used in my brothers tower had a louder cooler that died after a couple years, but my 1090t cooler is still going strong.

>>58952222
>You're overestimating the performance considering the workload non-gaming software will exert.
>the workload non-gaming software will exert.
.... Uh huh.
Which programs exactly?

>>58952182
Lmao look at speccy threads on /g/ and /v/. Most cucks have i7 6700k/7700k which cost $350.
A $350 amd cpu will get you 8 cores and 16 threads.

>>58952213
people using machines for business don't overclock bro

this is uphill a battle as anything. they got momentum tho and it will come from excited af gamers raving to friends and family

>>58952244
Anything that's not a game
Anything used in offices

Office, Adobe, hell even VS in large part

Suits are going to go after known quantities not chasing bargain bin brands aimed at gamers

This shit is great but fucking people are in a tizzy but most computer work isn't fucking games. Single Thread Perf is King followed by value and value is exactly where AMD is finally finding A Way™

but they got years to make up here. fingers crossed

>>58952290
Except that there won't be an overly noticeable difference in performance for those things. Especially
>office
And having worked in the field, the IT guy deciding on what the office gets will save them some money on getting them something that works perfectly fine for what they need for a little less money per unit.

>tock tock tock

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>>58944241

He just needs to shave his head.

>>58952404
>the IT guy

you ever held a job?

>>58952182
>>58952213

Like he said low end ryzen will cost $40 less then a 6600k While still b omg overclock lable and have 8 threads

>>58946993
>>58947008
>>58947056

>implying apple makes their own chips.

>>58952605
they design them, just like nvidia and amd

>>58952605

>Not realizing two of the guys who helped ruin Intel in the mobile space were both on AMDs and Apples pay role.

>>58952084

I've been able to play fairly demanding games, watch and render high quality video at 1080p, edit video from 4k sources, and do all my day to day with:
-8gb of ddr3 memory
-A 3.8gHz i3 Haswell
-a GTX 960

So no, a quad core is not irrelevant for all but entry level whenever you can do all entry level stuff and then some with a generation old midrange card, a dual core quad thread processor, and 8 gigs of ram.

>>58946144
its because theyre shipping them with low af base clocks compared to intel's chips

id gladly pay 300 bux for a 8 core+8 meme core @3.2ghz with a potential for it to clock to 5.0ghz

the silicon lottery is back bois

>>58941073
Where are the 4c/8t benchies?

>>58952655
It's the one on the very bottom

>>58952655

No one cares about obsolete trash.

>>58952534
Have you? Have you ever seen and Office that didn't star Steve Carrell?

>>58941264
>New socket again
GOYIM IN FEAR

>>58952649
>not realising until 2016 apple chips were made by their biggest competitor

>>58944829
>progress

who's really delusional here?

>>58944821
>more cores
this is a useless than for 90% of consumers who are not on a work station.

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Intel is still superior. It just feels solid and something worth using, whereas AMD feels like trash. Benchmarks aren't everything.

Besides, Intel has better single-threaded performance still and that's what almost every single game depends on. Games aren't multithreaded. Only professionals and servers need that. 4 cores is more than anyone needs, and the GPU does the rest.

And Intel system is easier on your other components too, whereas AMD may cause serious glitches and other problems, because everyone makes sure their hardware and drivers work on Intel.

>>58944829
keep paying your precious company to save a few pennies while you realise a release like this has happened only twice in their history. reward their failures give them their participation trophy.

>>58945312
not at a bad deal at all desu, i've seen some 8GB RX 480s go for around $180 but that was on very limited time sales many months after release.

>>58952927
This desu

I tried using AMD CPU+GPU

Shit was like trying compile arch for the first time without an internet connection.

>>58949211
>>58949239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-bYSC6OT6s

>>58952191
There's a difference from the FX6 and FX8 coolers. I'm guessing you the the 6. The 8 are very quiet for the thermal rating.

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So, Zen is confirmed to be unlocked, have all virtualization intact, and not cost one thousand burger shekels for 8cores/16threads? Holy shit, I might be picking one up. Encoding is going to be amazing on that thing. How does this madman do it?

>>58953124

CERTIFIED

>>58952404
>>58952784
systems analyst here, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>58953124
Zen isn't confirmed to be unlocked, in fact I have it on good authority that you will have to pay a monthly subscription to AMD to keep it unlocked. That's just crooked business practices right there. Intel is the ethical and smart choice.

>>58953124
"What I decided to do is, I figured I'd just completely fuck their shit up. Totally wreck it. So thats what I did."
-Jim Keller

>>58953162
god bless

Can someone post that meme comic with "hurrrr durr more bibelines XDDD"

>>58953159
(X) doubt

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>>58941073
I like the 1000 DOLLAR CPU meme


They only charge what the market supports. This is great in that it will drive those kinds of chips down in cost but I think it's important to consider how small the 16t market really is.

A wiseman would wait until the next round from either one to get the best bang for the buck.

>>58952224
>90mm
Sure, maybe if it spins at 3k rpm to keep things cool.

>>58941073
>multicore

wow anon never seen amd being competetive in """"some""" work loads. (that btw only happen when you render videos).

>>58952404
No "IT" guy in any company makes decisions on hardware "budget". Only suggestions, finance and accounting back to back make those decisions.

>>58953397
If you're company is big enough for an IT department, the desktop support manager usually makes that decision.

>>58953374
>what is velocity vs cfm

The wraith cooler uses the relative pressure differential between the narrow space below the heatsink and the above the fan to its advantage. By restricting the relative intake perimeter (that may be the wrong word but fuck it) with respect to the relative output, it induces a gain in velocity.
Air multipliers in mine shafts and intake runners in cylinder heads of engines designed for low-end toque use similar principles.

The end result is so long as the air isn't saturated with heat potential, the fact it moves it at a higher velocity (effectively "faster" than a tower cooler with equal pressure differential, that is) means it can perform satisfactorily TO A FAULT. At stock speeds it can keep the processor cool at a low dB level despite the fan and heatsink disadvantage. With higher tdp it would reach a point where the trend would drop tremendously, but it's "good enough" or even "quite good" for a stock cooler.

>>58952927
it's sad that people actually believe shit like this

>>58953331
They have quad-core models. Personally I'm one of the very few people who could actually benefit from 16 threads (big compile jobs all the time, and I like to leave multiple games running and alt-tab between them.)

>>58953627

Like most of /g/?

>>58953703
how are you enjoying your first day on /g/?

>>58946490
go to wsg to find out

>>58941264
AMD could do it.

Actually capital gain.

>>58946876
nah, recent 2 years all games have 6 thread support or more
only fuck ups are Dishonored 2 and Fallout4, pretty sure prey will use more than 4 due to cryengine

COmpanies been ivnesting in internal engine development for this console gen which is 1) amd 2) 8 core

>>58953679
yeah im OP and am excited for video encoding perf and lazy multi tasking

just think people are getting in a tizzy

im lucky enough to be able to have 2 decent pcs to own and maintain cuz me and my partner use a bunch of photo/video software for our business. i just upgraded from a 3rd gen, our second box has squeaked by on core 2 quad and id like to set it up for highly threaded tasks for today and for what we might do tomarrow.


problem is is that based on current and past earings these upgrades have to count and because of our casual setup yeah a bit of gaming from either one is great for blowing of steam and all that.

really excited but i need the best, most realistic 5 year platform I can get either now or a month or two

>>58953012
Oh God, you shills are going to have to try harder than that.

>>58946490
terrible

>>58953746
8 weak cores and no end in sight to the basic fundamentals of console hardware

4c8t is as good now as it was 2 months ago and will last just as long if not longer than weaker single thread 8c16t circa 2017 unless programming practices change fundamentally

>>58952404
>the IT guy deciding on what the office gets
pretty sure thats accountant guy, that decides $/w/perf equation and goes for whatever saves more money without losing any(yes that's in their work description)

>>58953131
SHIT

>>58953857
6900k still beats 7700 in several games, and as thing go 4k or144 fps it will only matter more.

>>58953857
Dx12 and Vulkan seem to be going in that direction of a fundamental change

>>58953890
WRECKER

>>58953920
then we come back to value


i think what we are seeing right now is somewhat of an AMD-Intel value parity tho in a lot of ways amd probably gets the edge cuz i dont think many really think about maximizing performance for their use cases

all depends on what is being done with the machine

>>58953992
On a software level sure but even with scorpio were not going to see anything past 8 cores. so thats the mainstream design paradigm.

8 threads is key for the next few years, some will benefit from that others will still want strongest single thread.

this is cool time to be following systems but the real change comes a bit later.

>>58941073

This is awesome. I look forward to reading real-world experiences and benchmarks.

I'm not getting my hopes up, though. I'm just now starting to feel that my 8350 is a bit slow and I'd love it if my next upgrade could be AMD.

>>58946490
Great.

>>58954020
You're right, but also means at this point amd is offering 8true cores to intels 8 virtual cores. It's probably down smt being g weak that intels own 8core is beating out the 7700.

>>58941073
IT'S FUCKING OVER, AMD WON! I'M LITERALLY SHAKING RIGHT NOW!

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>>58952926
>more cores are only beneficial in a workstation
Get a load of this retard

>>58941196
The CPU is powerful enough for every currently existing game even if it doens't use all cores to their potential.

Future games WILL use those cores to their potential.

Overall it's a big win

>>58941073
AMD IS BACK BABYYYYYYY

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>>58941073
DELETE THIS

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>b-b-but the Intel chips aren't running at full speed!!

According to prices that showed up for the 1700X on european webshops it will cost ~60 Euro's more then a I7 7700k. If this is true the performance better be good.

>>58956446
>8 core
>16 threads
>3.4ghz base clock
>3.8ghz turbo
>plus XFR
>only 95w
>easy to overclock
>IPC near Broadwell.

I'd say its probably worth it over a quad core. Even if its 10% behind in serial performance, its still a monster, and that range of performance is still top of the market.

>>58949442
>Video: HDMI 1.4b
>1.4b
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Jesus fucking christ
I can't fucking believe I'm gonna have to go with jewtel for my HTPC just so I can get 4k@60hz

>>58957717
are you laughing that hard because you're still using HDMI?

>>58957735
Go ahead and explain to me how else am I supposed to plug my HTPC to my 4k TV

>>58956446
>~60 Euro's more then a I7 7700k
DOA

>>58957717
Why are you trying to run vr on integrated graphics in the first place?

>>58957735
Lot of the 60"-80" don't seem to have DP

>>58957755
>>58957717
>>58957755
You'll probably need a GPU for that anyway, fucknuts. Are APUs even going to be out soon for AM4? I haven't even been paying attention to low end stuff.

I have i5 3570, aka the best i5 Ivy Bridge.

Is it still good for today's games?

As a poorfag student, the big news is this:
>Unlocked quad core with Haswell tier IPC and even automatic overclocking for sub-$200
Only mildly disappointed the quad cores aren't hyperthreaded.

>>58958090
Yeah its fine, its about 15% faster than the best i3

>>58958127
The Ryzen 5 series has SMT enabled.

>>58958162
>Sub $200
I was talking about the R3 1200X

>>58958185
The Rizen 5 1300 is $175.

>>58957991

Why do you think APUs are low end?

They'll be out Q4'17 or Q1'18

>>58958200
Ryzen 5 1300 versus the 1200X is going to be really fucking interesting then. From leaked benchmarks the "X" feature set (presumably XFR) is worth almost a 50% performance boost

>>58958285
Hmm, maybe, I doubt it's as extreme as 50%. But yeah, that's going to be an interesting fight.

Honest question here, do people only care about CPU and GPU benchmarks purely for gaming purposes?

Like, would people who don't play games on PC even care about how fast the latest i7 is? Or what would someone who doesn't play games do with a GPU like for example an GTX 1050

>>58958382
Sure, if you do something else compute-intensive like video editing, rendering, 3D modeling, CAD, compiling, scientific computing, computer vision, stuff like that. Beyond that, even if you just use regular office programs, some people will still want to get the best value. Some people want to know the 0-60 on a car before buying it, even if they're just driving it to work every day.

>>58941073

Inb4 Ryzen 9 1800/1900 series.

I would personally love to see that happen, good for the market.

>>58958528
They don't have any desktop/enthusiast 12 or 16 core chips planned for this first generation Zen AFAIK.

>>58941073
>highlighting a multicore benchmark

so does it, dare I say it mean /poor_single_threaded_performance/?

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>>58958625
>Same amount of cores and threads
>Similar performance on similar clock speeds

>>58958625
Go find a single core benchmark then

>>58958625
if we're to believe the recent benchmark leaks, then the single threaded performance isn't on par with KBL. thankfully though it doesn't get shat all over the way Bulldozer did, in that department.

seems to handily win at everything else though.

>>58952927
>intel nvidia marketing promo

lmao

>>58958674
It's a about 3% or so lower. Broadwell tier.

whats the release date of Ryzen 7 1700x OC?

>>58941171

>Fanboys were hyping Bulldozer, AMD wasn't.

Not true. For example John Fruehe from AMD was hyping Bulldozer on multiple internet forums under nick JF-AMD and much of the Bulldozer hype news in media originated from his forum posts. He was adamant that Bulldozer IPC was equal to Sandy Bridge all the way to the launch and then disappeared from all internet forums after launch.

>>58952290
Single core performance only matters to games because OpenGL and DirectX are singlethreaded. Are you seriously retarded enough to believe somebody need the fastest cpu on earth overclocked to 5Ghz to edit documents and send emails?

>>58958768
https://scalibq.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/amd-agrees-john-fruehe-is-a-liar/

>>58958768
you didn't read the full post did you?

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>>58945317

>>58958768
https://scalibq.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/john-fruehe-leaves-amd/

first two links from google

>>58958946

No I didn't.

The last part of the post negates your first sentence. John Fruehe was instrumental in hyping up the Bulldozer and that's AMDs fault.

>>58958252
>Why do you think APUs are low end?
Well I think it's fair to say that they range from low end to mid range, but maybe Ryzen will change that perception.

Either way, an HTPC that's built for 4k playback should probably still have a dedicated graphics card.

>>58945328

austrians? really negga.

>>58959031
My dick is hard for raven ridge. I really fucking hope it delivers.

>>58953331
There's no Intel next round until 2021

>>58959206
Surely they can shit something out again soon. It seems like theyre throwing stuff on the market every 6 months.

>>58958252
APU's were touted to be launched on 2017H1, which is pretty much 2017Q2

>>58958550
A simple rebrand of the server parts could happen, along with extremely clocked parts

>>58958252
>>58959235
they said second half of 2017 for APUs.

Q1 is Summit Ridge
Q2 is Vega and Naples

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>>58959184
streuth

>>58953124
>How does this madman do it?
"It's easy! I just utterly destroy their shit. They're going to feel that for the next five years."
-Jim Keller, CSW

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>wake up
>no new leaks or benchmarks released

>>58941196
Considering consoles have lots of low clocked cores, game engines will thoroughly split workloads across all cores. The good engines like Frostbite already do

>>58941213
Not that early, also hex will be anything but standard. Enthusiast, yes. Not standard. Retarded post.

>>58941239
They won't. Hex won't be here until the 10nm die shrink. Definitely on a new socket. However, a 4c / 8t CPU on whatever socket you have now will be great.

>>58941389
Fuck yes.

>>58941531
Either 6GB 1060 or 4GB 480. They are equivalent. You pay slightly more for the extra RAM with the 1060, which might allow for some pretty textures in some games.

>>58944721
Good example, now let's hope devs can figure out how to hit 60FPS on an 8t CPU with good single core perf.

>>58944812
Who fucking cares? The engine is under discussion, you fucking vee retard

>>58944948
>the 7700k will still be the gaming performance king
Yeah, king, but for an extra $150 for 5FPS. Not worth it in the slightest, especially in upcoming games where both CPU will be running the game at over 60FPS.

Having said that, gaming benches haven't come out for Ryzen yet. We can only hope.

>>58945205
>>58945354
>>58945604
That's like saying Skylake is a rebrand of Sandy Bridge. You don't know what rebrand means, retard. Same basic arch =/= rebrand

>it's another retards fight over mild CPU upgrades over the last decade thread

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCT PEOPLE PERFORMANCE
NOTHING FUCKING USES OVER 3 Ghz
YOU'RE BEING DUPED
THIS IS OLD TECHNOLOGY THEY'RE SELLING

>>58960574
Shhh... here's your U, now quiet down.

>>58944721
Holy shit that game is fucking trash.
> tfw wasted few hours of my life to download it
> it's pure fucking turd
> they even fucked up what was good in the previous game

Fucking Ubisoft.

>>58945272
it's Riemann zeta btw

>>58958731
He is right though.
I mean I am happy for having some competition, but yeah, AMD will need 4-6 more generations before I will even consider them again.

> Athlon
Fucking A
> Phenom
Fucking A

> Bulldozer
Shit
> Radeon 7000 series
Shit
> RX 480
Shit

Fuck them.

>>58961882
>>>/v/

GTFO.

>>58961983
How does it feel knowing that 95% of people excited about ryzen are gaymers from r/AMD and /v/?

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>>58941073

Why did someone edit the picture

this true pic here.

>>58962001
I play games too, but this isn't the place for game discussion. The benchmark post was legit because it shows scaling across cores, but all the fucking >hurr shit gayeme responses need a ban

>>58961983
>>58962054
> post some opinion
> it's not some weeb image

> OMG OMG GTFO MUH /g/

Fuck off, neckbeard.

>>58961947

>Phenom
>Fucking A

Nope, nope and nope. Original Phenom fell far short of the performance promises and had the infamous TLB bug which crippled it even further.

AMD marketing went full retard and claimed Intel Core 2 Quads weren't real quad cores because they were two dual cores on same package while Phenom X4 was a single chip quad core. When Phenom II came out Nehalem was already out and raped it in practically everything.

One of my biggest mistakes was "upgrading" from my Core 2 rig to Phenom II because I wanted to continue using my DDR2 RAM instead of buying new DDR3 sticks. I even bought top of the line OC motherboard for it and it didn't OC worth shit. Should have just invested the 200€ more going to Nehalem would have cost.

>>58958949
Tomoko doesn't shower

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>>58962112
Really don't know how you got weeb out of either of those posts. If you want to discuss games go to vee, faggot

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>>58961947
>GCN1
>Shit

Tahiti and Pitcairn were GOAT and can still be relevant today. They've aged much better than their Kepler counterparts.

>AMD using the Intel chipset naming scheme instead of x60/x70/x90x/x90fx

this is really rustling my jimmies

>>58941073
Oh goodie. Let's compare an unreleased chip against a chip that has been on the market for nearly a year.

Wait until the Gen 8 Core i7 hits. Kek.

>>58941073
The prices for AMD should be better if the leaked sheet is true, but clock for clock you can still quite clearly see Intel destroys AMD.

However I'm hoping those benchmarks when they're released on the 28th prove fruitful. I'd love to get an 8-core clocked at 4GHz for ~500 bucks.

>>58963255
>Gen 8 Core i7
It's just an overclocked gen 7, which is literally an overclocked gen 6
Not worth waiting for 1 day unless Intel cuts prices in half.
>Just an overclocked

>>58963255
Coffee Lake is a sham, just like Kaby lake.

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>>58944721
>fx8350 winning over 2500k

>>58963705
It was always neck and neck with the 2500k, but the 2500k came out a year prior.

>>58963255
>Gen 8 Core i7

/v/ please go

>>58963705
When it comes to integers, Piledriver isn't (or rather, wasn't) bad in heavily threaded tasks. It's fucking Sandy Bridge at stock clocks.

>>58944347
>AMD's already pushing 8-core as standard

A company with 10% market share doesn't set standards, kiddo.

>>58944812
>it's also just as fucking awful as watch dogs the first

Not even remotely, you can stop pretending you played it just to get /v/ cred on /g/.

>>58962230
I'm using my Phenom X4 955 for gaymes since 2011 with no overclock with medium-ultra settings 40-60FPS paired with an R9 280.

Phenoms were very good.

>AMD marginally better


OMG

AMD IS BACK

2017 THE YEAR OF INCREASED COMPUTING POWER

GTA V AT 140 FPS HERE I COME

>>58964272
>literally a 6900k for $350
>le it's nothing xD

>>58961947
>>58964258

>>58964272
More like intel finally has some competition which will force them to start innovating again.

>>58964636
>Intel
>innovation
Haha no.

>>58945205
similar performance != rebrand

the difference in power draw should say enough.

Intel shills in denial There's nothing to compete until now They charge you 1k of a 100 stock bucks cpu with more "performance" now they are making the 7 billon "research lab" for the 7nm because they don't know what else to do with your money LUL L U L

>>58965498
Intel's Fab42 has been under construction for a while, it won't be finished for a couple more years. They recently did that little white house PR thing because they were announcing they had to invest more to finish construction than they previously anticipated.
Intel will be on their 10nm process node until 2021~ it seems.

>>58947590
Too be honest you made the error of buying an AMD card with really old hardware, despite it being known that AMD GPUs drop in performance with old and weak CPUs.
In your case an nvidia card would have made moer sense as they do not really seem to care all that much.

>>58949442
>itx
>4 times PCI-E

What?

>>58964272
marginally better, but 200% cheaper, you idiot.

>>58944802
No, it belongs to Valve. They even have a developer article on "Valve time" on their own dev wiki.

JIM KELLER DID IT AGAIN

CERTIFIED

general availability when?

>>58969416
March 2nd

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>>58941073
>>58941073
1700x vs 7700

34% performance increase with 200% the cores


Nice!

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>>58969507
>3,4ghz without turbo
You don't say.

>>58969507
6900k vs 77000k

27% performance increase with 200% the cores and 320% the price

Nice!

>>58941073
throwing my 5820k in the garbage
AMD IS BACK

>>58941073
>muh multithreading with more cores
>post OCed chip that barely scrapes by

>amd
>attempting to be viable

Bending their ass over for Nvidia, letting the CUDA slide right on in

>implying they won't stick to ARM chips while Intel continues to steamroll
We'll hear your cries when the next shrink comes

>>58941073
>no Xeon

>>58947590

Go with the Xeon. Overclocked it will max out your 480. Any lack of performance in games will be down to your GPU.

>>58944878
>ubisoft being praised on 4chan
Disrupt has you guys dripping huh?

>>58963705
>tfw I have a 9370 running at 5ghz, and it matches recent Intel shit in gaming and rendering
Hue

>>58963021
This makes no sense

>>58963255
>"Intel's 8th-gen Core processors won't be revolutionary"
https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/11/intel-8th-gen-core-stays-on-14nm/

>>58964165

Never heard of market disruption?

>>58947192
This guy isnt canadian tho

>>58969668
The graph label does not actually prove that the 1700x was not turboing. All the Intel CPUs were also listed at base clocks on that graph.