why do we hate this initiative

>>58923460
>changing directories in terminal and making markup web pages = "KODING"
that's why

>>58923460
The more people in tech the lower our wages will get.

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>>58923460
It's so obvious she's trying to create a brand and make money, even though she has no idea what she's doing. Do people really fall for her shit

Aside from the fact that she isn't actually promoting real learning or knows what she's doing?

Because she made it about her. It's not about getting women to program, it's about showing the world how SHE, how KLOSSY does it. Me me me me me me. It's disgusting narcissism.

They don't teach much
they only let girls of color join
its karlie kloss and because I can't sleep with her she must be a total bitch

>>58923600
>Because she made it about her.
This is probably the worst part about it

Why do celebrities have to put their name on everything they do?

cd..
cd..
cd..
cd..
cd..

>>58923600
>Implying showing women that programming will get them attention isn't the best way to get them to learn it

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what's a klossy

>>58923541
if you're a pajeet, yes
if you know your shit, you will be valued higher

desu if somebody paid me thousands or even hundreds of dollars to swap directories a couple of times and take a picture I would do it in a heartbeat. I don't know why people on /g/ get so butthurt about it.

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>>58923571

She doesn't need money. She's a rich and successful model for over 10 years already. She's giving back. Her coding has also improved a lot since then.

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>>58923885
>Her coding has also improved a lot since then.
SAUCE

>>58923460
She's literally a marketing bullshit machine.

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>>58923846
because it's not them

>tfw to smart to hate people for stealing money

>>58923460
Vagina_software.jpg

>>58923734
Some type of whore

>>58923460
>Simple mode:

Her platform doesn't teach concepts, mathematics, logic, or abstract problem solving. She rides a wave of fame and misguided political platforms that based on gender instead of mental abilites.


>I'm a black dick, mode:

Lets be real:
http://kodewithklossy.com/
Look at this webpage. Its made by a team of men and automated scripts.

Whats the first thing you see?

Code?
>nope...
Projects made by coders from her platform?
>no
her own personal projects?
>she has never relased anything
How about some sucesses from her camp?
>high failure rate.
She must at least have some coding sucess to push a coding platform
>uhhhhh....
Just a link to a scholarship and a few photos of herself and some black and muslim chick.

This is why I hate being black in tech. We're poster children more than just people. And instead of showing what her """camp""" can do, we just a bunch of shit to make fun of. I want to see projects not politcal shit shoveling.

This is a google search of Kloss projects:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Karlie%20Kloss%20projects&gws_rd=ssl#q=Karlie+Kloss+code+projects+

This is a page of a women that actually did things:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/08/business/08bartik.html

Who is the most well known of the two?

>>58923885
>coding
Hey Karlie! Me and the "girls" are going to starbucks to support their stand against Drumpf and later swing by Nordstrom and let them know we are proud to use their products. Wanna (cum) come?

>>58923947

I'm black too but I'm Nigerian living in Nigeria so I don't have to deal with the bullshit you guys go through in your tech community. I could get some nice jobs in the US or Europe or even South Africa but I don't want to deal with this type of culture where people assume things about how you got to where you are.

>>58923947

I feel ya. Dad was honky, Mother was beaner. I definitely take more after my Mother then my Father, and I always fucking hated how people treated me while I was studying CS and now that I work in IT. Professors treated me like their pet because I was a minority/social experiment/something to be proud of and they did not care if I was a good student or not. In IT I get the same type of treatment from management, and to be honest I much rather be judged by my work and not a political/SJW experiment.

>>58923947
Imagine being a Black Arab. It's awful. All this "progressive" garbage is suppose to appeal to me but it's absolutely disgusting. Wealth inequality is at all time high. We practically live in a police state and the economy is in complete shambles. Yet , I'm suppose to be happy because the show a bunch of minorities in their latest piece of morally bankrupt Propaganda. This is the darkest time line.

>>58923986
Trust me, here in America the people who matter in your life will not assume things about you. Because they will know.
I'm free to assume that literally any woman in the department got there by sucking dick, but the moment I'm forced to work with them, we reach a deeper understanding, and I stop assuming things. Either I know that they got there by sucking dick, or I know that they're worth their paycheck.

tl;dr you're worrying too much about people you shouldn't give a shit about. Worry about yourself first and foremost, and then worry about the people who can drag you down.

>>58923947
nice to know even black people like you know the difference between blacks and niggers.
You are a black person, you are well spoken and aware your skin color gives you unwanted attention from white guilt people or progressives.

>>58924006
have you thought that maybe you're treated like retards because you're retarded?

>>58924026
I hope it's not the darkest timeline. I can imagine worse. But I only experience this timeline so we will see.

>>58923885
Hey Karlie.

>>58924059
Have you ever spoken to another sentient being in your life?

>>58924121
I believe I have. It's just that here in Dominican Republic there are no black people, there are just niggers.

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oh look, another thread giving attention to attention whores

>>58923885
>Her coding has also improved a lot since then.
Source? No? Then stop posting.

tits or gtfo

>>58923460
>male dominate field with the highest earning potential is being spammed with "initiatives" to push women into the field, as well as pajeets with h1b visas
hmm i wonder what motives they could have for this.

>>58923947
So the shoppe page is fucking ridiculous. A SHIRT, a fucking PIN, a flash drive (okay yeah whatever, depends what's on it), why a portable charger? What are you really going to charge?!, a notebook like oh wow getting your fucking moneys worth there!!, a fucking sticker sheet because goddamn women are children AAAAND magnets for your fucking fridge.

Ultimately NOTHING. Just a bunch of "Look how much labelled merchandise I have on my stuff and literal person, I AM SO NERDY ECKS DEE"

>>58923932
We can never be her either, which hurt the most. Women are the only ones who can get these moronic gigs.

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>>58923460
Already cringing at her upcoming appearance on the new bill nye show

>>58923460
i thought this was a boy in the thumbnail

>>58923460
/g/ hates her because they'd like to make so much money with so much more than just cds

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>>58923460

>""""""""""""""""""super""""""""""""""""""""model

>>58924026
What's a black arab?
An arab with very dark skin or a sub-saharian-looking guy from an arab country?

Which country do you come from?

>>58924272
Doesn't finance have a higher earning potential?

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>>58924668
I agree fellow gentle sir!

>>58924677
California.

>>58924711
I meant, which arab country do you originate from?

>>58924716
USA. No one understands me.

>>58924722
?
Are you joking?

Are you even the first guy I asked the question to?

>>58924677
I imagine it has to do with linguistics

A black person who speaks arabic, most likely from sudan desu

>>58924731
Yeah, probably.
I was just wondering because I know a few Egyptians and Moroccans who look like normal arabs (semite facial features and everything) but they have darker skin than even some Congolese, and depending on where he lives, he could be one of those, or something else that he would consider "black Arab".

>>58924729
Yes I am.

>>58924754
Define what's a black arab then

>>58924768
No one understands me. You too.

>>58924695
i don't think that's really true anymore. CS has higher starting pay, and top programmers have insane salaries.

>>58924782
Maybe I would understand you if you explained yourself instead of repeating that I don't.
But you probably wouldn't because you're clearly just trolling and aren't even the first guy.

>>58924793
I directly admitted to it so I don't see why you keep trying.

>>58924791
But the top guys are very exceptional, and the people getting into either of those fields must look at how the average person does, not those who just started or those at the very top.

But I have no numbers, so maybe even the average programmers get paid better than the average guy in finance.

>>58923460
It's a combination of hating her for being a poser, and jealousy about her being able to get away with being a poser via being an attractive young female.

>>58923460
She's the perfect model for that box. Both are flat, white, and featureless

>>58924797
Have you ever installer Gentoo?

>>58924875
I haver.

>>58924890
>haver
Sounds amazingly good

>>58923460
Artificially giving herself sleep deprivation marks with makeup

Checked her site out. Holy crap, in my country that would probably be a scam and a criminal offense.

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guyz I tried to kode but it's not werking???!?!?!?!?!

>>58923947
Nailed it. You start to hate liberal white people more than the people they tell you you're supposed to hate. I'm just tired of this shit.

>>58923571
what a load of horse shit

>>58923460
Women don't belong anywhere near science and technology. They are brainlets that lack basic logic and rational thinking capabilities.

>>58925057
Nope, you're doing good. Working as intended.

>>58925057
just keep doing that a bit longer

>>58923571
my sids

>>58923947
women and minorities and tech are screwed because companies know they HAVE to hire and promote you to be diverse. However, you are put in positions you cant possibly do because its beyond your experience. So you are just stuck, you cant contribute. When you try to contribute you look like you don't know what you are talking about, you cant progress because you cant get experience because you cant contribute.

Might as well take the cake job and collect paychecks.

>>58923460
The only reason she does it is because the female video game streamer market is over saturated

>>58926707
She would make so much more if she started streaming daily.

The issue with that though is she doesn't understand technology or streaming or entertaining or conversation well enough to do that.

Why would she want to spend all that time and effort to make alot of money when she can just say she likes technology and get fame and money even if it is less?

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>>58924026
fucking BASED

We are on a really bad trajectory. It would be an order of magnitude darker had Elon Musk not flown over here to help get our collective shit together.

>>58924695
No because finance is smoke and fucking mirrors. Make a product and sell it and generate value? That's where money comes from. Finance just obfuscates simple mechanisms to pull the wool over the eyes of millions.

>>58926828
And?

That doesn't stop Wall Street from making countless billions from it.

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>>58923460
Shes fake as shit

>cd
>cd


There are literally millions of actual women programmers they could have chosen, but then chose some roastie model cunt who is just in it for the publicity and social light.

>>58923571
>she needs to join our startup

this gets me everytim

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https://youtu.be/K1tALNL3nbM?t=90

YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW HARD IT IS TO CODE THAT BUTTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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THE PATRIARCHY IN THIS PICTURE THO!!

>>58926862
I'm not dumb enough to try and make some argument why Wall Street is the reason for America's decline or something. But I know this: Money is supposed to represent value. If your country stops producing value, and one sector keeps making huge amounts of money while contributing no value, there must be something wrong. Dare I say it is a bubble of some sort.

You can get caught up in all that complexity and make your cut, or you could go the sane route and make a product and sell it. People will pay you if you make something they like. Why would you get neck deep in some crazy abstracted system? It does not make sense or appeal to me.

>>58923460
I'd fuck that boy.

>>58926947
We're arguing about two different things here Anon.

The first guy (>>58924272) said that women want to get into tech because it's the male-dominated field with the highest earning potential.
I responded that the male-dominated field with the highest earning potential might not be tech, but instead finance.
Whether you believe finance produces actual value or not is completely irrelevant, since the money that people working in it make is real.

The only relevant thing here is wether people who get into it make more money than in tech or not.

>>58923460
I literally couldn't give less of a shit about it. If you want to learn coding, do it.
Literally why not ?

>>58927035
Because this is clearly a scam by this model (and the people behind her) to make money riding this meme of the female programmer.

We have nothing against real schools that actually teach you to code. It's just that this isn't one.

>>58927035
Because it's the equivelant of paying to go to an American Negro church every Sunday to further your academic interest in evolutionary biology.

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Is this supposed to be a good thing?

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>>58927124
Consumerism is great!

Thus women are great!

You're not some kind of bigot, sexist are you?

>>58923460
since i don't know the initiative, i'm going to guess: it's an initiative for horny men to code, but it's rhetorical since horny men can't code.

>>58923460
Hahahahah, american society, everyone..

>>58923460
Read this as "why do we hate Indians"

>>58923460
vir/g/ins fear the pussy

>>58923709
This is unfortunately true. Women won't learn anything until it's fashionable. That's literally the reason why women don't go into tech - it's too uncool and "nerdy" (not the hipster starbucks-dweller rayban """"nerdy""" but actual dork-nerdy).

>>58923460
she's a stupid incompetent bitch

>>58923460
Why are you posting that. Post pictures of her walking around being hot, topless, etc.

>>58923571
Holy kek we learned how to use that command in the first day of Java class here

>>58926902
>we send each other screenshots of the code to debug
what the fugg

>>58932908
retaining syntax highlighting and other formatting seems reasonable. /g/ didn't even support code tags until, what, like a few years ago?

people used to share screenshots of their code here if they didn't want it on pastebin where someone could copy/paste everything before the link expired, or something.

stop acting like everything confuses you.

>>58930512
haha XD misogyny i like it XDXD upboattt

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>>58932959
this may be just my own autismo, but I don't post my projects publicly online to begin with. If I'm asking someone for help, I send them the file(s) or screenshare with them.
I don't think it's ridiculous to expect that others (who I am asking for their expertise) have their own tools that can handle syntax highlighting, and if I'm trusting someone enough to view my code, I'm not very worried that they're going to steal it.

>>58930891
Java?
How about it's been around since DOS you 12 yr old fagget.
>/inb4 bait

>>58933063
Hey, that's pretty cool anon.

>>58933063
if you can't take yourself out of your own workflow/process and acknowledge that theirs is reasonable given the different circumstances they're in (e.g. sending around .py or .rb files isn't nearly as intuitive as sharing an image), then yeah, it's your own autismo.

/g/ has a serious problem with this, though, so it will hardly ever come up in your life if you just stay here.

>>58924026

>We practically live in a police state

what

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Witnessing the demise of humanity.

Lest we forget Aunty Grace.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper

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>>58923460
The initiative should be Killing niggers with K-K-Klossy.

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>>58923460

>>58930458
Nothing wrong with keeping it a largely male oriented field.

>>58923947
>This is why I hate being black in tech. We're poster children more than just people.
Never noticed actually. My employer hired me pure for the skills I have.

>>58933063
Is that yours? That's pretty cool.

>>58933126
>>58933524
not mine, found the webm on /g/ a while back

>>58923639
>Why do celebrities have
so she is a celebrity? was she a former disney actress? or a random youtube coverist?

all i could find is shes a fashion model, and she posed for "victorias secret" lingeria brand, there are more fashion models that posed for victoriassecret than there are kernel patch developers, shes not a celbrity, Cindy Crawford is a celebrity but not because she posed for this or that brand, but just because everyone talked about her for some reason and the whole general public came to know her name.

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>>58925057
>he can't cd..

>>58923846
no shit, same with pewdiepie or whatever, just because they don't have looks and can take over an empty market.

>>58927124

>spending
>"controlled" by

LOL. They misspelt the word performed.

>>58933084
It's not bait it's just what you learn in first day of computer science classes

>>58925057
Try it in zsh with a faggot koder prompt.

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>>58933610
>not using autocd

>>58923460
Because women don't belong in the IT industry, not because they're dumb, but because they're emotionally unstable wrecks and sooner or later she'll get her vagina filled with cum by some Chad or Tyrone and will have to take care of the kid instead of working.

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>>58933761
>he uses dots

>>58933792
sounds like someone's dealing with extra emotional baggage.

>>58923460
>Cmd-F
>No Karli FLOSS

>>58933915
Sounds like you have no argument tbqhwy familia.

>>58923651
This is the best part. Her whole terminal is literally
>Command not recognized
>That isn't a directory

while(true) {
    poundKlossInTheAnus("rampantly");
}

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>>58923460
>kode with karly kloss
>kkk

someone didn't think this through.

>>58926707
True, youtube and twitch are full, bully for finding an untapped market.

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>mfw attending a kode with klossy bootcamp as a "transgender woman" only i'm 6' with full beard and beer gut

>>58934199
she did though. it's "koding with klossy". it's not her fault that you think of totally different acronyms.

>>58923571
>cd code

IM KODING

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>>58933761
>typing cd at all

>>58930512
What is the gauge on the crankshaft measuring?
I can imagine it just uselessly rotating around.

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https://github.com/karliekloss?tab=repositories

>>58923885
>Her coding has also improved a lot since then.
What did she mean by this?

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>>58923460
Because she's a stupid scam artist who can't even change directories through the command line. That's baby's first Ubuntu install level shit. As we see here >>58923571 she's so stupid that she doesn't understant that you need to specify a path for the change directory (cd) command to work. I bet she also doesn't understand that her file system is just folders within folders based on her crying to jump into a directory called "code" when none existed in her current working directory. That's fucking pathetic. I knew better when I was 13.

>>58935307
JUST

>>58923460
Does she even know what code is?

>>58924492
kek

>>58923571
cd.. works in windows. i guess that doesn't really make this any less horrible though.

>>58933063
what distro?

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>>58925057
Windows 7 doesn't have this problem.

>>58935192
>I can imagine it just uselessly rotating around.
Yet you can't imagine it measuring the rotation. Good job, Surely.

>>58923986
that's the world the progressive west built. this alt right stuff is all reactionary because putting people down because of their skin tone or religion isn't any better. Turns out separate but equal might have been the right choice. There were people in the civil rights movement in the US that wanted to work on the "equal" part instead of the "separate" part but now we all have to play together and LOVE EACH OTHER OR YOU ARE COMMITTING A HATE CRIME.

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http://irisclasson.com/

https://twitter.com/irisclasson

>>58934199
something like

int i;
n = a
for (i < b) {
a = n + a;
i++; }

?

I can't believe it, but this has been a decent thread.

Something about her general shitiness seems to have united alot of people in this thread who'd otherwise be arguing about anime or supporting a schizophrenic racist murderer.

>>58923947
>http://kodewithklossy.com/
Supermodels make a living selling themselves as a brand. Public relations with a face. She is obviously renting herself to probably a non-profit organization; teaching the public, and raising awareness that the tech industry needs more women in the field, not because of the lack of women but because they more individuals in a growing industry.

>>58935820

int i;
n = a
for (i < b) { 
    a = n + a;
    i++;
}

>>58935887
>alot
>>>/vp/

>>58935918
That was pseudocode really

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>>58923571
As usual, /g/ is missing the point...

def concatenate_strings(string1, string2):
    "#{string1} #{string2}"
end

>>58936014
Holy shit


It's actually pretty sad that this is happening, she probably doesn't know anything about programming and is trying to teach other people that eventually learned jack shit.

>>58936014
You fucking idiot, it's ruby not memesnake you fucking memecoder, and it runs. Figures, a complete memecoder would be even stupider than Karlie Kloss at programming.

>>58936104
not the guy you're replying to, but the point is to get people to recognize that coding isn't some mystical thing. this is the equivalent of getting a kid in the shallow end of the pool to paddle around. she doesn't need to be an olympic swimmer, and she doesn't need to demonstrate a gold medal-winning breast stroke. she just needs to get the kid to stop being afraid of the water.

god, you autists are like a cartoon or something.

>>58937877
bait

>>58923775
when you have an abundance of tards, someone needs to be a tard wrangler.

>tfw my startup made me a tard wrangler even though I would just prefer to sit in a corner in a dark room and write code

>>58935887
Wait, Richard Stallman isn't a schizophrenic racist murderer.

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> still feeding attention whores
pathetic

>>58935887
>schizophrenic racist murderer
cia nigger

>>58939398
Maybe he was referring to based Terry?

>>58933156
>sending around .py or .rb files isn't nearly as intuitive as sharing an image

These people are there to learn coding, sharing a fucking file should be elementary.

Guys leave Karlie alone, she is a sweet girl.

>>58936014
>>58923460
>>58923571

I know nothing about coding, can someone explain to me why people keep talking shit about this picture of her coding?

>>58924006
Well you'll never be accepted in white society because you're not white you fucking wetback. Deal with it.

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>>58933792
>because they're emotionally unstable wrecks

If only women could learn some self control from their emotionally stable superiors.

>>58940103
It is the equivalent of pressing the start button in Windows over and over to show/hide the start menu, then boasting about your PC skills on facebook.

>>58940010
why is coding necessarily a step that comes after sftp'ing files around or something?

>>58935458
Learn to rice, faggot.

>>58940010
An image captures the syntax, spacing, coloring, etc... in one self-contained package. For people who aren't strongly opinionated about spaces vs tabs or light vs dark themes, I can imagine this is probably ideal.

Whether something is elementary or advanced is beside the point; you don't even seem to take issue with the fact that these people are probably much more *familiar* with sharing an image than sharing a text file. If you accept that, then why do you feel obligated to pick a fight over this?

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>>58923460
>>58923571

>>58935918
Legibility, motherfucker.

int product (int a, int b) {
    auto accumulator = 0;
    for (auto i = 0; i < b; i++) {
        accumulator += a;
    }
    return accumulator;
}

>>58940612
This.

Possibly the only thing more retarded is double-clicking everything even things that don't need to be double-clicked.

>>58940703
i'm not a c++ fag but what's the point of auto when it's not a crazy interator

>>58940703
No, wait, I'M retarded...

int product (int a, int b) {
    auto accumulator = 0;
    while (b > 0) {
        accumulator += a;
        b--;
    }
    return accumulator;
}

>>58940741
https://herbsutter.com/2013/08/12/gotw-94-solution-aaa-style-almost-always-auto/

auto is type deduction for C++. It ensures code correctness, legibility, ease of typing, and strict type checking, and coding to interfaces not implementation.

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>>58940554
>The typical man is like Elliot Rodger
>Mfw to defend women's mental stability you have to compare them to a literally crazy man.

>Mfw only a woman could've made such an idiotic argument.

>>58940948
This.

>>58923885
Citation on her improving?
https://github.com/karliekloss
Her GitHub doesn't seem very active.

I don't care, stop giving them attention

>>58934122
>imperative

main = forever $ pound "anus" "rampantly" "kloss"

>>58940948
serious question, why don't we ever see a delusional manifesto from a woman who's later gone on to shoot up a school or something?

the most you can say seems to be that the average sanity of women is slightly lower than men, but the standard deviation is much smaller. maybe men are generally more sand (i want to emphasize "maybe"), but clearly there's a much, much larger standard deviation.

why is that?

>>58941138
Autism is almost exclusively a male phenomenon.
It makes sense, because autism is just the logical male brain taken to it's extreme, hindering other mental faculties, like social skills and empathy.

>>58941138
>serious question [etc.]
Because women aren't typically aggressive or violent past the bad temper stage (i.e. a girlfriend throwing plates at her boyfriend isn't a result of her wanting to hurt people, but the result of her not being able to control her emotions, hence the tantrums).
Also men suffer much more than women and have basically no emotional outlet, so they bottle everything up, until the pressure is unbearable, so they explode and go crazy.
Notice that men doing american-style shootings are always misfits which are mistreated (or they perceive to be mistreated) for years until they can't take it anymore? Obviously they go crazy and start hating everyone (or everyone of the group of people who did the mistreating).
Women either get help (even if you only consider the emotional support of everyone comforting them when they cry, there's a gamechanging difference), or just kill themselves, because wanting to fight and kill your enemies is typically a masculine trait and not a feminine one.

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>>58941138
>>58941312
>the most you can say [etc.]
Simply put, just like about every animal species, the male and female brain evolved for different roles and behaviors (augmented by the "artificial selection" imposed by millennia of social norms, which are themselves based on human nature).
Modern society where gender roles are ignorable isn't what our brains are made for.
The scientific evidence for this is overwhelming.
I don't think women are dumber than men (in the sense that they have less "brain power"), but it's clear that this brain power is directed in different directions.
A simple google search will show you all the strengths and weaknesses of the two genders.

For example, the most evident characteristics are how women are more social and intuitive, while men are more introvert and pragmatic.
This leads to women thinking men are dumb for not getting social clues that they have an innate ability to get, and men thinking women are crazy because their behavior isn't based on logic, but on emotions and subconscious reasoning.

This is why women have a significantly lower IQ than men.
It's because an IQ test doesn't measure brain power. It measures your ability to think in those ways that are being tested by the test (logical, mathematical, spatial, etc).
Women are just evolved to be strong in other areas and weaker in most of those areas measured by the test, so they score lower than men, who are evolved for these mental abilities, but would score lower than women on a test that measures abilities women have evolved for.

I'll give you a couple of links I happen to have here ready about something that's not often talked about:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050121100142.htm
http://www.webmd.com/brain/features/how-male-female-brains-differ
Google will give you a more in-depth insight if you want.

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Sorry if I didn't make sense at certain points. English is not my first language.

>>58941319
A little digression about the IQ tests part:
The same could be said about race.
When you compare academic results of blacks and asians (two polar opposites), you're not seeing asians being more evolved than blacks. You're just seeing two races that evolved for different things, but are being tested to measure their capacity to do what only one is evolved to be good at.
Too bad those capacities happen to be those necessary to run a modern civilization, so blacks end up not fitting in in a society they're not evolved for, just like asians would't fit in a society made by/for Africans.

>>58941138
>>58941312
>>58941319
TL;DR:
Women aren't actually insane, but their thinking tends to be more emotion-based, while men's is more logic-based, and since their brains are very different, they're strong in different fields of thought. IT (and other similar fields) is one of the fields where men are strongest at.

>>58941334
If that's the case, what is the woman's role in a field that's dominated by logical thought?
You can't appeal to emotion with a computer, it's just a pile of transistors etched on sand.

>>58940643
isn't ricing meant for WM's?
This webm shows Gnome3

>>58933063
your program would finish in 1 second if it was C

>>58941334
so, what? logic leads to psychotic meltdowns? if anything shouldn't we see a lot more women committing a lot more crimes of passion because they're mostly tapping into an emotional brain?

>>58941344
I don't know what's their role. Humans aren't really made for this stuff in general, so I have no idea about how we can fit women's brains into such fields.
Maybe they could work with those things that have to do with human interactions, and help making computer easier and more pleasurable to use (which has the downside of having the opposite effects for technologically literate people, who like things to be more logical and objective, and less pretty and "nice").

The truth is that while there are many capable women, they tend to be unfit for this kind of work, so their results would be subpar, when compared to men's which have it way easier too.

>>58941376
Read this: >>58941312
It's not logic that turns men into school shooters. It's a mix of other things I talk about in that post (which I'm not going to repeat because it would make no sense when you can go read the original thing instead of a copy-paste here).

Humans are complex creatures, and you can't have a black/white view of them.
Men have emotions too, just like women have logic.
You have to look at the difference in the amounts of those things, along with all the countless other characteristics and tendencies that make our behavior nuanced and not robot-like.

>>58923885
>Her coding has improved
That's like saying
>Oooh, she learned to use the history and !1234 command!

Nigga, if you're at 0, sure you can only improve, but she's nowhere near your sub-average pajeet.

>>58925057
>not having a set alias for cd..="cd .."

That's some day 0 shit right there.

>>58933063
>RektCity Canada

>>58941396
lol ok

>>58933063
Is Python a good language for interacting with web pages? I have written one or two scrapers, but I'd like to go deeper than that.

The idea of getting women into STEM is great, and I'm all for it, but I don't like how much it's become about egos and showing off. Grace Hopper wouldn't have gone bragging about her achievements, amazing as they were, if there was social media around at the time. Similarly with Ada Lovelace and Jean Jennings, etc - there were really passionate about what they did. I just get the feeling that Kloss is doing this for the attention. I guess that we do need high-profile people to try to get women into STEM subjects, but not in such an egocentric way, and it shouldn't be so dumbed down - it should be taught properly, so that women who are genuinely interested in computers, etc, but who haven't had much chance to learn can really progress. Not just cd.. cd.. cd .. cd code cd..
There is a distinct lack of women in STEM, which is a shame, but this way of getting more into it isn't the right way.

tl;dr We need more women in STEM, but this is ridiculous and all for show.

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>>58941732
>We need more women in STEM
Why?

>>58941761
because it is easier to fuck a girl you have anything in common with.

>>58941787
Except that's only going to result in a ton of promiscuous men and women, and no serious relationships.
This will also have an effect on the affected people's future, as these things tend to change us irreversibly.

So if all you want is a bunch of people just fucking all the time and being incapable of having a long-lasting relationship (and by extention, a stable family life), then yes, more women in STEM (or any field) is good.

If you want the opposite (which is one of the main factors that make a society stable and strong, as well as make its members well-adjusted citizens instead of worthless degenerates), then more men is the answer.

Source:
https://www.cato.org/events/economics-dating-how-game-theory-demographics-explain-dating-dc

Seriously, watch it. It explains a lot about this.

>>58941895
>Except that's only going to result in a ton of promiscuous men and women, and no serious relationships.

But this is exactly what I want anon.

>>58941895
>Promiscuity is bad

Elliot "the dodge" Rodger, is that you?

>>58941915
That's because you're young. You shouldn't be allowed to make changes that affect adults.

>>58941936
I'm not young, I'm 32 years old and sick and tired of dealing with girls psychotic mental states. All I want is to have a distanced relationship (aka being friends) and every once in a while have some fun. I'm currently being so-called friends with benefits with two girls, which I've previously had a relationship with. The relationships were miserable and I was miserable because of them. Now I get my required distance while at the same time getting my needed inter-human interaction with two close friends.

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>>58941915
>>58941929
Promiscuity, as pleasurable as it ca be, leads to unstable families (pic related), which has all sorts of consequences that are completely disastrous for a society.

Read this (and the entire thread if you're interested):
https://warosu.org/biz/thread/S1273810#p1276369

There's a reason why premarital sex is forbidden in almost every religion and culture, and why a promiscuous woman is considered damaged goods and nobody wants her.
They simply noticed that those who slept around made bad wife material, and ultimately made a negative difference in their community/society, because they ended up not raising their children properly in a healthy family.

Too bad these things aren't talked about more often because it's not politically correct (and therefore nobody knows about them and believe it's just stupid religious rules), because they really have a huge impact on society and on their individual members (which end up finding themselves in shitty situations without even knowing/understanding why).

>>58923460
/g/ can't even talk to women in real life. Anything that has women on it will just oust them out. So there's no way guys here would not hate this. Men on tech don't like the idea of women coding is like gay rights in islam.

>>58941991
>having kids is the ultimate goal

I have bigger dreams than wife, 2.5 kids, a golden retriever and a house in the suburbs.

That sounds absolutely miserable if you ask me.

I'm not against having kids, and if you're concerned with negative population growth you should aim for having multiple kids with different girls imho.

>>58941138
They're too busy raising kids to be those psychopaths!

>>58942017
>bigger dreams
>he fell for the dream meme>>58942017

>>58941991
Humans were promiscuous while we were hunter-gatherers and the entire tribe would participate in taking care of the children.

Only when humans discovered agriculture did we shift to the restrictive views of today's religion, simply because humans made up the concept of property and started owning slaves and regarded females as properties too.

Note that promiscuity being considered a bad thing only applies to females. Also note that the abrahamitic religions started out at around the same time agriculture was invented in the Middle East.

>>58942032
Well, I am currently pursuing my dream. I have a job I absolutely love and With no family and no relationships I have loads of free time to do stuff I'm interested in.

>>58941732
Except that we don't "need" more women in STEM but rather more educated people that can solve problems instead of making more problems.

>>58923460
Cause she's not doing it out of goodwill and the desire to advance women in technology, she's just building a brand and generating PR. Have you seen her disgusting Linux terminal shit? She literally just does "cd .." 4 times and calls it coding.

>>58942048
What does this prove in your mind? Because all you're doing is proving that promiscuity is primitive.

>>58942017
What you want personally is irrelevant.
We're talking about society-wide changes in the demographics of certain fields and the consequences this will have on the population.
If you read the /biz/ link you'll understand that a stable family life is undeniably the single biggest pillar on which a healthy society is based on.

Maybe you want some hollywood-esque life as a cool bachelor with a leather jacket and a bike, and it's fine, but wanting that to be the norm is simply asinine.
You should want the society you live in to be as healthy as possible, and if there's something you KNOW for a fact to greatly damage society, then you should want to avoid that. Especially in larger scales.

>if you're concerned with negative population growth you should aim for having multiple kids with different girls imho.
Not in the slightest.
Again, read the /biz/ link. It's not about the number of kids at all, but in the quality of them.

>>58942048
Abrahamic religions aren't the only ones in existance, and similar famly values have been existing in numerous separated cultures for millennia before that.
Are you seriously implying the concept of a family was invented by abrahamic religions and then imposed on all of us going against nature?

That's nonsense, and even if it was true, we've evolved our brains and behavior a lot since then.
In this context what we did as cavemen is completely irrelevant to what we do now.

>>58942065
It proves that promiscuity is natural and that trying to dictate or at least direct sexuality is absolutely futile and pointless. I am absolutely appalled by people pushing their lifestyle and claiming that it is better. people should mind their own business imo

>>58942082
who cares what's natural? you're on a technology board for fuck's sake.

>>58942048
>Also note that the abrahamitic religions started out at around the same time agriculture was invented in the Middle East.
?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions#Origins_and_history

What's the point of arguing with made-up points that we can prove wrong with a 2-minute Google search?
I mean, maybe you can do that IRL, but we're online here. It's too easy.

>>58942075
>Are you seriously implying the concept of a family was invented by abrahamic religions and then imposed on all of us going against nature?

I'm not even implying it, I'm stating it. The fact that many other religions and cultures promote polygamism would strengthen this claim.

>>58942082
>It was normal when we were cavemen, so it should be widespread today, since it's only natural.

You've just taken the fallacy known as "appeal to nature" to a higher plane of stupidity.

>>58942095
>you must take a wife and have kids that's the only healthy option!!!! Promiscuity is bad (why won't hot chicks fuck me?!!!! ;_; )

How is this technology.

>>58942114
Your argument is based on "religion is saying this and culture norms are saying this therefore it must be correct". I'm just using your own fallacy against you.

>>58942123
my point is that technology is not natural. yet are you gonna sit here and tell me we should go unabomber?

>>58942106
Almost all the cultures which promote polygamy (which are very rare anyway), only promote it for the man, not for the women.
Want to know why?
Read this post (>>58941991), its image, and the /biz/ thread linked in it.

>>58942123
I'm the one who was making the argument you're mocking, and I'm not the one who wrote the post you're replying to.

>>58942131
1- That's not what I'm saying. It was only a small (and trivial) part of the argument, that I added to conclude my point. I've actually provided plenty of scientific evidence, which not only you didn't even bother to check, but you're completely pretending I didn't post it.
2- Just because you think I made a fallacy (appeal to authority), doesn't make the fact that you used a completely different fallacy mean that your argument wasn't totally retarded.
3- I'm atheist, and your shitty reading comprehension led you to misunderstand the entirety of my point, which I suggest you re-read, because you're making a fool of yourself.

>all these butthurt retards
God, why can't you comprehend the simplest things?

One nerdy tech billionaire pays a hot model shitloads of money so that she takes photos while coding, so that girls who imitate the said hot woman also try coding instead of just how to be a whore.

This will pay back in the next generation when you see cute girls in an engineering faculty, instead of 10:1 sausagefest ratios and the females there being almost all hambeasts. You'd know if you suffered in a higher education institution like that.

To complain about this is thoroughly brain dead.

>>58942221
Refer to >>58941895

>>58942227
>increasing demand is bad
Absolutely brain-dead. Consider suicide if you thought that was relevant in any way.

>>58942243
You didn't even watch the video to understand the argument, and you called it stupid.

We get it Anon, everyone who disagrees with you is automatically a retard.
I'm a retard, mom's a retard, your math teacher's a retard, and even billy down the road's a retard for thinking scooters are better than skateboards. Fuck him. Don't invite him to your birthday party.
You'll never see each other again when you start high school, so why bother with his stupid opinions?

>>58942227
Video is 1 hr but it's 4AM

JUST

>>58942263
If you are a raging homosexual, or completely autistic then posts about reality do not apply to you.

The distractions will be there anyway. This simply increases the demand for better picking.

>>58942289
Sorry. I have no Idea where Anons I'm talking to live. You can save it for later (there are even download links), since it's such a significant part of the issue, and without taking it into account, all discussions become moot.

>>58942302
It doesn't because they don't learn anything, watch one of those videos of koding with klossy you'll see it's pointless for those people to go there hell CS50 would be 10000x better or any intro to CS.

>>58942317
It's fine, i'm just watching it anyway. I'll just drink coffee tomorrow.

>>58942275
There was nothing in the post relevant to the simple, fundamental truth: increasing demand increases options. There is nothing to dispute this, and the only reason you are crying is because you are too mentally retarded to comprehend the simple fact that more demand will lead to more competent people in the same spots, not to mention a better experience for all those involved. Now, not only are you too retarded to get this truth, but you also are bitter about your own failure at life and inability to get close to either good engineering faculties or women, so this reality upsets you and you start posting shit about promiscuity thinking it's relevant in that double-digit IQ mind of yours.

I will be ignoring your virginal tears on how your betters are not wasting their time watching that very special video that totally negates reality as well. Cry harder.

>>58942324
There's a QnA after the speech. It's not fundamental, so you can skip it or watch it another time if you want.

>>58942323
It's not intended to teach anything in detail my butthurt and mentally retarded friend. It's meant for increasing interest in a demographic, that is young women, who will - if this gains traction - learn the details through proper instruction.

>>58942337
I understand this very well.
You simply have the intelligence and life experience of a 12yo, and can't comprehend that there's more to the issue, and that your little point isn't the maximum depth we can reach.
If you had even a tiny bit of an open mind, you'd at least engage the other guy's idea, and consider that maybe there are other underlying consequences that your superficial understanding might not have allowed you to consider.

If you're not actually a child, then you're acting like one (whether because you're trolling or because you're actually that stupid), so I'm not going to respond to you anymore, until you can come up with an actual argument other than "I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING AND THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO THE ISSUE THAN WHAT I ALREADY KNOW, SO YOU'RE ALL BRAINDEAD FOR DISCUSSING IT".

I'm going to get some food, so you have some time to think about how you're making a fool of yourself.

>>58942352
It's just a women circle jerk that leads to "ZOMG CODInG now" and actually programming will set them off even if they are interested.
You really should watch one of those videos it's worse than bootcamps.

>>58936014

def concatenate_string(string1, string2):
  print("Here is your concatenated string")
  string3 = string1 + string2
  print(string3)

>>58940554
Race mixed abominations often have issues.

>>58941324
>Too bad those capacities happen to be those necessary to run a modern civilization, so blacks end up not fitting in in a society they're not evolved for, just like asians would't fit in a society made by/for Africans.
Which is why multiculturalism falls on its face so hard and there will always be race relation issues. Not everyone evolved to work the way the western world (white man's world) requires them to, though asians are better than most at it.

>>58942017
>tfw this dream is actually hard to achieve now
BAD feel

>>58935192
It measures shaft position which is needed for correct valve open/close timing

>>58942221
>This will pay back in the next generation when you see cute girls in an engineering faculty

I don't want my workplace pressurized with inane gossip drama bullshit, thanks.

>>58942221
>This will pay back in the next generation when you see cute girls in an engineering faculty
>>58942540
Yeah nobody wants this, thanks. Work is for work.

>>58942221
>10:1 sausagefest ratios

that's a good thing my dude. I'm guessing you've never actually """"worked"""" with women before?

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>>58942445
Not only that, but even if races (with the resulting cultures) were compatible, multiculturalism would still be a bad idea, because tribalism is one of human's strongest instincts, and people like to be with other people similar to them, and even if they don't consciously realize it, just living in a multicultural society lowers their quality of life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTROCGb5qj8
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/diversity-proximity-war-the-reference-list/

Not to mention, diversity is great when kept separate.
It's always good to experience other cultures and learning about each other, but forcing everyone to live in the same common territory only results in the assimilation of the weaker cultures into one or two dominating ones, and the diluition and bastardization of all of them, ruining all the cultures involved, and completely destroying the one of the native population (which tends to be the best-working one, since the culture of the other immigrants tend to be shitty and disfunctional, hence the migration from it to move into a better-working one).

>>58942683
>tribalism is one of human's strongest instincts, and people like to be with other people similar to them
Which is why even in 'multicultural' cities you see race collectives covering different areas of it who pretty much keep everything in house rather than integrating uniformly and sharing issues.

>>58942716
Exactly. Multiculturalism is always rejected. Whether consciously or not.
The only cases where it "worked" is where the various groups were kept separate by either physically living separated, or through caste-type systems.
In every other case there has always been some degree (almost always significant) of tension between the groups.
Even in ancient Rome (the most popular example used by fans of multiculturalism) complete assimilation ("when in Rome, do as the Romans do") was enforced, where you either pretended to be a roman and embraced a monocultural society, or fucked off.
Also, many consider its diversity one of the main reasons the empire fell, so there's that.

>>58942765
Honestly the best evidence that it just doesn't work is that if it did we wouldn't need to be told to do it, it'd just happen.

>>58942776
A lot of things that work don't happen on their own.

>>58942790
Yeah but there's every opportunity for multiculturalism to happen without governments pointing guns at you and demanding you do it, and despite the fact that they actually are it's STILL not happening.

>>58942798
Yeah, I agree with you, but watching it being forced down our throat and seeing us gagging, is different that watching it not go in our mouth on its own and saying that it won't work because if it did it we would already have ingested it.

>>58942811
Perhaps. But I think that if it were _better_ than at _some point_ it would happen on its own. Maybe we're not 'ready' for it but if it really is superior then we'll get there eventually.

>>58942683
One of humans strongest instincts is to scratch his anus and sniff it.

Doesn't make it right.

Multiculturalism works, provided the system embraces each race equally. Nowadays multiculturalism usually means anyone but whites.

>>58923899
>2 days later
>Still waiting for sauce

>>58942829
>Multiculturalism works
Evidence?

>>58942828
Yeah, too bad we know by experience that it doesn't work, and yet we'll be forced anyway (like we are now) regardless if we are ready for it or not.

>>58942829
>One of humans strongest instincts is to scratch his anus and sniff it.
>Doesn't make it right.
1- No, it's not, wtf?
2- I'm not saying multiculturalism is automatically wrong because we have an instinct against it.
I'm saying that multiculturalism will never practically work in real life because humans are hardwired to reject it, so, because humans subconsciously don't want it, it will always result in significant problems.

Please refer to >>58942683 (and the two links in it) to understand better.

>>58942716
You've never been to a city in the last 20 years have you?

The new generations is as multicultural as ever. Multicultural is also a sham word. Multiracial is more accurate. Within a majour culture there are bound to be multiple viewpoints, subcultures, counterculture, and ideologies that coexist with each other.

Multiracial or multiethnic communities have and do work. In the past you had the Ottoman emoire, which thrived due to its State secularism opposed to theocracy. Look at Canada as a model of multicultural. Races are able to get along just fine maybe at the cost of losing their ethnic cultures, but that should be preserved as well within their enclaves and groups.

Do we want multiculturalism in all places on earth? Probably not. But to say it doesn't work is blind to history and the present.

>>58923460
>why do we hate this initiative

Because we're a bunch of spergy virgins, so when Staceys and Chads make ventures into the only field we're not complete failures in, they're shaking the very foundations of our identity and self-worth, causing massive autistic shriek.

Seriously, though: chances of fucking Klossie or one of her "students" replacing me at my dev job or becoming my co-worker are exactly zero. Which is a shame, actually, because -- given equal skills -- I'd much rather work with women (preferably hot) than a bunch of sweaty autists.

Actual code monkey bootcaps, everyone and their mom studying CS, and 15 posts a day asking /g/ "how do I into programming?" is what triggers me way harder than some model running an initiative to promote her cute blond ass.

>>58942874
I've been to plenty. Also cities are fucking shit so I'm not sure why you'd hold them up as an example of success of anything.

>>58942847
>>58942874

>>58942871
>Yeah, too bad we know by experience that it doesn't work, and yet we'll be forced anyway (like we are now) regardless if we are ready for it or not.
Yeah I know, I was just saying that if it were to work we'd get there naturally. But it doesn't, I think we know that by now. Also I think at some point we'll see a backlash that will stop it being forced everywhere desu.

>>58942871

I see newer generations get along just fine in multicultural cities. It's smarter of nurture. Of course kids raised in a multiracial environment would be more accepting.

And stop arguing from human instincts. Human instincts are flawed and not an indicator of what is automatically right.

>>58942885

Stop being an antisocial prick just because you don't like the city life.

It's shit because you're probably a suburbian basement dweller or a county farm boy. Granted there's a lot of degeneracy and crime but cities are cities because of its economic success and diversity. It wouldn't be a city if it didn't have success in business or entertainment sectors.

>>58942915
Cities are inhabited by more failures as a ratio than non cities desu. And yes they are rampant with degeneracy.

Though maybe your definition of failure is 'different'.


Cities aren't the worst thing ever but holding one up with its fucked racial crime rate and saying, look this is success, is dumb.

>>58942874
Multiculturalism in cities doesn't fucking work, what are you talking about?
Just because people live together in the same city doesn't mean they coexist without issues.

>>58942904
I grew up in a multiracial environment.
I myself am a non-white living in a white country,and through my different circles of friends/acquaintainces.acquaintance I can guarantee that people (even kids) don't see each other as race-neutral. Most racial groups tend to stick with each other more often than not.

Please take a look at these two links before continuing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTROCGb5qj8
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/diversity-proximity-war-the-reference-list/

You've been simply fed a lie. You're being told that everything works well in cities with multiple races/cultures, but there is no evidence supporting it, and instead there is overwhelming evidence of the contrary.

>>58942936

The crime rate is higher because cities are population density is high. Also Blacks.

Don't get me wrong, I know some races have proclivities just judging by pure stats alone. Cities are a majour source of innovation, entertainment, liveliness, and business, not to mention tourist attractions. It's not perfect but it's not bad either.

>>58942959
Obviously I meant relative crime rate.
>Also Blacks.
Kind of proving my point not yours... It's >Also Blacks
because they don't coexist properly.

>>58942915
Please look at this email from the Podesta leaks:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/295

Read it thoroughly.
Anyone who's been following the news about immigration in Europe will confirm all of this.

>>58942959
>The crime rate is higher because cities are population density is high.
The crime rate is also higher per-capita.
No one with half a brain looks at the absollute number, obviously.

>>58942959
>Cities are a majour source of innovation, entertainment, liveliness, and business, not to mention tourist attractions. It's not perfect but it's not bad either.
This is not thanks to diversity.
At most it's DESPITE diversity.
And those beautiful things are getting progressively worse, in a manner that's directly proportional to the amount of diversity.

>>58942952
I see so many multicultural groups of friends in the younger generations. Even older people in cities can coexist with other races.

It doesn't matter what race you are, it's all about your class in the economic ladder.

Racial issues practically don't exist in Canada. In America maybe it still exists.

>>58942966

I'm not.blind to proclivities of race. There are bad people within races and stats show.

>>58942967

Opening your. Borders to illegal immigration and refugees is a not a multicultural problem. Yes the mass invasion of Europe is apparent and very bad, but it's an issue caused by lack of.border control, and bad EU policy.

Those people will never assimilate because they were never properly vetted. People that naturally immigrate to countries are usually screened for years and are evaluated by their economic and educational standings. Who would willingly admit non contributing immigrants? I don't know, ask the EU.

>>58936014
>>58940103

She's basically explaining test-driven development with RSpec:

def concatenate_strings(string1,string2)
    "#{string1} #{string2}"
end

expect(concatenate_strings("hello","world")).to eq("hello world")

To be fair, it's only an example. Definitely a stupid example, though..

>>58941138
Because they aren't smart... The just regurgitate shit on facebook, there is no way they would ever form an opinion or do anything remotely difficult other than suck dick for cash.

>>58942987
People having friends of different races is not an indicator of how different races coexist on a larger scale.

>Racial issues practically don't exist in Canada.
>https://www.google.com/search?q=racial+issues+in+canada
Are you sure?

>In America maybe it still exists.
I'm not even American, and I'm thinking more globally, instead of just western cities.
Racial and cultural tensions are a problem in the west, in Africa (where being a different shade of black is enough of a reason to be killed), in the middle east (ask the Copts how they like having their culture erased and replaced with the muslim one), in Asia (where muslims, Buddhists and Hindus keep having serious problems every day).

>>58943024
These people are never assimilating, whether they're 100 or 100 millions. Look at the groups of immigrants that came to Europe a few decades ago. They literally built little enclaves where kids are born and raised without speaking the local language, because they do everything (schooling included) inside these areas.

As I said, I'm an immigrant myself. I've lived among both immigrants (1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation) and natives. People like to stick with their own.
Even when we were kids, even between those who could only speak the local language, kids of the same race spent the most time with other kids of the same race.

Don't look at the individual interactions, and after seeing minorities not get lynched, decide that multiculturalism works.
Look at the greater picture, and see the phenomenon in a larger scale.

>>58941138
Basically they same reason your dog doesn't. They aren't remotely smart enough to anything this out of the box.

>>58941915
>>58941929
Some people still believe in love, don't worry, after time you give up on that and just fuck whatever.

>>58942874
Yea because you've only been in the inner city go around the ghetto's and ask how great multiculturalism is.
It clearly doesn't work and makes more problems in the long run.

>>58937920
>she doesn't need to demonstrate a gold medal-winning breast stroke
She needs to demonstrate those gold medal-winning breasts, ifyaknowwhatimean.

>>58943097

I can't think of any multi cultural societies other than London, Canada and US and those EU countries that allowed them in.

So there's all of my data.

Again, looking at Urban cities in NA, I see examples of both racial driven tensions and multi racial unity. So is it completely bad?

And yes, in other monolithic countries there are far more tensions to foreigners and immigrants. But look at their economic standings and birth rates (see: Japan), they are almost subpar to melting pot and multicultural societies.

>>58943097
>They literally built little enclaves where kids are born and raised without speaking the local language, because they do everything (schooling included) inside these areas.
This is a serious and ignored issue. This is not integration, they aren't even really part of your country they just take up space and leach without offering anything (99% of the time).

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>>58923460
this is what we call a kloss (ß) in germany

>>58943097
As for the little enclaves, there will always be that.
As long as they are productive members of the economy, and not criminals it's fine. Totally agree that they should learn the host country's language.

>>58943186
You mean sort of like NEET Weabs?

>>58943220
weebs are definitely a tumor, but don't deflect

>>58943223
Enclave community are a healthy part of a country. They pay taxes like everyone else.

>>58943056
Explain why is this stupid as a LESSON
Many tutorials have such examples

>>58943246
But they don't interact with the rest of the country, economics aren't enough.

And I bet that if you look at those 3rd world enclaves they take out more than they put in on average.

>>58943253
Because it's teaching bad practice.

You don't need a function to concatenate a string.

And now newbies will think it's something that people do.

>>58943262
What do you mean by take out?

They pay property and other taxes.

That's the minimum to be considered a productive member of society.

So? You don't see different clubs outwardly interact with other clubs too. They can be isolated and do whatever they way like the Amish do.

>>58943159
>I can't think of any multi cultural societies other than London, Canada and US and those EU countries that allowed them in.
>So there's all of my data.
Then you clearly have no place to discuss a worldwide human phenomenon, when your only knowledge of it is of a very specific type of instance of it.
As I mentioned, there are instances of multiculturalism all over the world and all throughout history, and virtually all of them have/had serious issues with it.
And most of those not in the west aren't even about immigrants, but different native populations.

>Again, looking at Urban cities in NA, I see examples of both racial driven tensions and multi racial unity. So is it completely bad?
That's like saying "Krokodil isn't bad, I mean, look at my leg, I see both signs of rotting flesh, but also some parts still healthy, so it's not that bad".
Of corse people aren't going to get into a race war with each other, so obviously you're going to see "unity".
The fact that there are serious problems in basically all sides f the issue though, indicate that multiculturalism is a problematic concept and it doesn't work for numerous reasons detailed in the two links I gave you before.

>And yes, in other monolithic countries there are far more tensions to foreigners and immigrants.
As I said, most of non-western situations are about two kinds of natives, and in most cases the situation is less moolithic than in the west with white people as the main culture.

>But look at their economic standings and birth rates (see: Japan), they are almost subpar to melting pot and multicultural societies.
That's because immigrants from poor countries tend to procreate like rabbits, so obviously you're going to have more people, but when it comes to population, quality > quantity.
Having a small population made of excellent individuals is leagues better than a billion retards fucking everything up.
Also, solvig the population "problem" by creating a worse one is ridiculous.

>>58943284
Why do you pay taxes? In theory it's so the government can reallocate the money to where they think it's needed to help its citizens (kek, in reality not really). Those places need more help on average than most, for however much they put into the government through taxes they directly or indirectly get a lot more spent back on them.

Also you overrate how much taxes are 'productive'. Taxes are only needed at all because there are people that need that money spent back on them, simply 'paying tax' is not helpful on its own. And again given that they almost certainly take more than they give their _one_ redeeming factor is nullified. And this is completely ignoring the culture clashes when they step out of or are forced out of their enclaves and interact with the rest of the country resulting in crime.

The difference is the Amish actually generate more than they take away _and_ don't hurt anyone, their crime rate must be amazingly low and probably doesn't extend past their own area. The Amish very competently look after themselves and don't suckle the government's teat.

>>58943246
Wether you think they're good or not is irrelevant.
You're only proving my point that multiculturalism doesn't work and that people like to stick with their own kind.

>>58943284
It means that they're a net loss for the country.
They often follow their own laws, they work in clandestine businesses made to cater to their members (which only speak their country's language), they go to their own schools, and they pay little to no taxes while getting every possible handout, and live in government-subsidized housing.
They're often not even registered, and live all their life in clandestinity.

The most prominent examples of this are the middle easterners (i.e. Algerians and Moroccans in France, Turks in Germany), the Chinese, and the Gypsies (which are worse than cancer in every way, as they actually put as much effort as possible to not be a prodctive member of society).

Sometimes the police can't even go inside those areas (which, again, are government-subsidized, commie-block type of buildings) without causing a riot.

>>58943253

You are right, it is only an example.
Nevertheless I would have done something like this:

def klossify(string1)
  "Karlie says: '#{a}'.. xD <3 <3 <3"
end

Nevermind, what's really annoying me is this:

square(4)

..instead of this:

class Numeric
  define_method(:square) do 
    self*self 
  end
end

4.square

Booo, Karlie!
Go back to C, if you code like this.

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>/pol/ shit

I don't understand. Why would people on an image board inspired by one created by a different culture, managed by a man of another race complain about the evils of multiculturalism via a product that could not exist without global trade?

>>58940948
>typical man

Who said anything about that? You said men are logical and I provided a simple example as to otherwise. If you're talking about averages we can go down the stats hole and talk about how many more times a man is likely to do a irrational act such as a violent crime or drop out of college he's spent shitloads of money on. Or compare suicide rates.

Or even just the kooky shit irrational men do like having nipple rubbing contests at clubs, killing comedy podcasts over a woman or jihad.

Just because a gender doesn't want to fuck you doesn't make them any more irrational or emotionally unstable than the other gender that might if you dress like a cute boi.

. >>58943336

Chinese enclaves are.pretty rich though

>>58943392
The premise of this thread was garbage anyway, might as well turn it into a useful thread.

>>58943409
Yeah, I'm specifically talking about the 3rd world enclaves but chinese ones aren't exactly good either. Like anon said before about police not even getting into some of these enclaves to do their job, the chinese won't work with them.

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>>58943392
I'm the guy who posted >>58940948 and I didn't post >>58933792.
But I did post >>58941312 (and many others, which you can easily follow) which should answer your questions.

Most programmers are garbage. Idk if we should be getting more of them. Probably better to do a incentive to make current programmers better.

>>58923947
>http://kodewithklossy.com/
>Whats the first thing you see?

The big picture at the top. It basically says: "Models who Code".

If you look at the site of a real coder, you'll see a list of actual code projects. This is what a real coder's page looks like:

http://www.catb.org/esr/

>>58943445
Forgot to add:

>>58943392
>Who said anything about that? You said men are logical and I provided a simple example as to otherwise.
The point is that an exceptional case where someone is crazy is not a valid argument when talking about how a group of people tends to behave.

That's like if you said that big felines run fast, and I posted a picture of a handicapped tiger with no libs to prove you wrong.

You can't give me an exception and say that it represents the group it's part of.

It's an incredibly stupid argument.

>>58942017
Too bad Abdul cares not for these frivolous things and pumps out kids 5 at a time.

We're fucked.

>>58943409
>>58943425
The mere fact that they exist proves my point that people like to stick with their own. Regardless of whether they're good or not.
Look at all the "Little X" in north Amercan cities.

Also, the Chinese are rich because they keep their money inside the community, never having to spend it outside of it (all their needs are satisfied by their own businesses), and the money they earn is largely kept inside or sent to their family in China.
Their closed system also make it very hard for law enforcement to do their jobs, so there's crime of all kinds happening there, and their earnings are barely reported (so they don't even pay a fraction of the taxes they should be paying).

>>58941319

A very good post!

But..


>Modern society where gender roles are ignorable isn't what our brains are made for.

Here you are jumping to conclusions..

Bascially it's a good idea to give everyone the same opportunities. I'd even argue it's a good idea to encourage people to think about role stereotypes.

But it's a copletely different thing if you try to "enforce" equality.


>This is why women have a significantly lower IQ than men.

* = on average

This is important. People often forget that such statments doesn't mean "every is slightly smarter than every woman". You have female geniuses like Judit Polgár, Ada Lovelace or Marie Curie and you have smart females and dumb females.

So we could also say "x% of the women are smarter than the average man". Lying with statistics 101.

Bascially if you are comparing 1.5 billon people with 1.5 billion other people, we have to be pretty carefull with making assumtions.

>>58943595
It's perfectly fine to offer the same opportunities. It's immoral to either force them on people or repeatedly tell them that everyone has an identical potential, which more often than not results in people thinking something in society is holding them down and that there's just no chance that maybe the differences between races and genders are more than superficial.

>>58943595
>Here you are jumping to conclusions..
>Bascially it's a good idea to give everyone the same opportunities. I'd even argue it's a good idea to encourage people to think about role stereotypes.
>But it's a copletely different thing if you try to "enforce" equality.
I agree.
I'm not saying that we should force people into jobs that fit their gender roles.
If a female wants to pursue a male field because she likes it, then she should be encouraged.
I just think that encouraging women who didn't want to do a typically male job, to do it just because "girl power" and other memes, is just counterproductive and hurts not only the girls who ar epushed into something they don't want to do, but also society as a whole, because of all the consequences that this brings.
The famous "brainwash" documentary has a part on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiJVJ5QRRUE

>>58943595
>* = on average
Of course.
Sorry if I haven't specified (I always tried to use words like "tend to" & such), but I thought it was clear that this is what I meant.
Plenty of women are excellent at typically male tasks (just like the opposite), and that's why I'm against forbidding people from doing certain jobs based on their gender (unless it's a case where the difference is actually a problem, like in the military), but also don't want to encourage people who don't have an aptitude for something to be forced into it.
An opposite-gender example could be teachers for very small children, which tend to be overwhelmingly female because it's usually female who like to care for small chhildren, and tend to be more sensitive and motherly with them, which is extremely important for the children's development.
If there are males who want to do that job (granted they're not pedos) they should be allowed to, but it'd be insane to encourage men who wouldn't otherwise do it, to start working with children as a sort of mission to help their gender and it would result in a disaster.

>>58923460
I want to breed with this terribad meme model

>>58943706
tl;dr there are roles genders will naturally fall into, there are always going to be _plenty_ of exceptions, if looked at as an absolute figure anyway, but for the vast majority of people they're going to perform better in a traditional role. and we have statistics that say they'll be happier too

>>58943647


Absolutely.

Nevertheless "society" is a difficult term, because there are many different societies on our planet:

Think about the typical SJW fighting against "muh oppreshun!" when in reality they have every chance you can possibly have and it's up to them to take them.

And then think about hard working women in other countries where women really get a lot of shit when they don't fullfill their stereotypical roles.

We must not ignore the achievements of our society, only because some people are stupid and blame society for their personal shortcomings..

People yelling "racism" when some black guy clearly DID something wrong means degrading the people who fought for equal rights.

>>58943706
>>58943766

OK, I agree 100% if you put it like this.

>>58943529
They have property taxes.

It's not your business what people do with their money.

They pay taxes for imports exportsz and property taxes. So what more could you ask for? To buy overpriced underwear when they can import it and sell it for cheap and profit?

>>58943766
Exactly.
I tend to be a bit wordly, but that's what my way too long posts can be boiled down to.

I think it's a perfectly reasonable opinion, supported by an insane amount of data (and our real world experiences as well), but if you say something like this in public (or whatever place other than 4chan or "edgy" websites where being an asshole shitlord is expected), you get labeled as a sexist, bigot, ignorant, etc. and at the end of the day there's no dialogue and none of the two parts learn anything and just keep blieving whatever they believed before.
It's quite sad.

>>58943820
It's just a matter of discussing like normal people without throwing shit at each other.
And I admit, my first post with the Dick Masterson picture was more of a shitpost than a serious argument.
I appreciate your open-mindedness.

>>58943529
And you don't think white wall street types enclaves report their full earnings and not funnel it into offshore tax free havens?

No one is uncorrupted. You have to play dirty to win especially when it comes to money.

>>58943852
>the 1%
>the full %
Hm... Yes these ARE in fact the same thing.

The wallstreet enclave you're saying exists would involve the tiniest fraction of a percent of white people in comparison to what the 3rd world enclaves involve of their race. And it's very much a class thing, unlike the 3rd world ones where it's just everyone.

>>58943831
I'm not saying they pay no taxes. I'm saying they only pay what they can't get away with not paying, and for everything else they don't.

They get into richer countries to take advantage of the opportunities and resources they offer, without giving back an equal (let alone greater) amount than they take in (let alone the damage they do to the social fabric with their organized crime).
Therefore, they're a net loss for the host country.

>>58943852
Two wrongs don't make a right.
If anything, this should be a reason to not want them, since rich countries have enough corruption on their own, and adding more from outside just makes things worse.
Plus, there's a difference between evading taxes to spend the money on whatever they want, and evading taxes to send the money to your family in China.
The first results in the money still being spent in the country's economy (so the finite number of resources remains practically the same), while the second results in the money being taken away from the host country's economy to go enrich China's.

Also, this is beyond the point (which was that enclaves are an example of why different cultures don't mix well together).

>>58943766
It's retarded, sure one can be a hermaphrodite but the point is that there are also a lot of people transgender because it's different and now we have billions of different genders which nobody is going to remember and/or care about only those people.
They are starting to brainwash people from young age with their transgender stuff and it creates more and more diversity that will eventually lead to something unpleasant for everyone.

>>58943915

..which also creates a vicious circe:
If everyone cheats, you also have to cheat or you just lose.

>>58943965
Honestly trans people almost don't even exist. The real amount is such a tiny figure it's actually completely ignorable and should be ignored, no special rules should be made for or against them because it's a HUGE waste of time. They exist as an idea and a fad a million times more over than in reality.

>>58943968
Exactly.
Wall Street people are hardly "everyone".
Immigrant enclaves are their own little societies where, yes, virtually everyone cheats.

The vicious cycle you're talking about applies to immigrant enclaves, but not really to its outside (since Wall-Street people can't be categorized as an enclave, since they're not an isolated society, but are part of the larger society that encompasses everyone in the country).

>>58943956
>If anything, this should be a reason to not want them, since rich countries have enough corruption on their own, and adding more from outside just makes things worse.
>Plus, there's a difference between evading taxes to spend the money on whatever they want, and evading taxes to send the money to your family in China.
Important.

>>58943915

Rich white men run the country so they have most of the wealth.

In any case, do you also have the same disdain for Italian, Protugese and other such enclaves ?

>>58943956

Pretty sure the children they produce are more likely assimilated into society and are living the typical life of a contributing worker.

And the same can be said for any enclave that is not rooted in nationalism.

The point is enclaves are not totally a leech on societies as they still pay taxes.
And as long as they do not outwardly attack the presiding community or the host county, they are free to do what they want. Other races stick together, that's fine. But they still live and work with other races just fine. I do agree that the should be able to speak the main languages though.

>>58943989
The problem is that actual transgender people affected by gender dysphoria are only normally a small number, but we don't live in a world where things happen normally. We live in a world where you're encouraged to be LGBT even when you're not, and kids (whose minds are easily plasmable by their surroundings, the imprinting they receive, etc) are being taught that gender is a social construct and that they can choose their gender.
Children understand almost nothing in their lives, and yet they're being pushed to make the biggest choice of their life even before learning to read (and often there's a bias towards the opposite sex, because "I don't want to push them into outdated gender roles"), so they end up actually developing gender dysphoria because of it.

The result is a number of LGBT orders of magnitude higher than what should be normal, and it keeps growing.

I understand that there'll always be homosexuals and transgenders, and I have nothing against them, but the glorification of these people only leads to an even larger number of people who'd otherwise be perfectly straight/cis, becoming LGBT through indoctrination.

How any times have we heard the "I like the LGBT community because it makes me feel accepted" and stuff like this?

>>58944001
They're isolated in that they only care for the business interest and that includes global interest because it's cheaper to hire a Mexican than an American.

Their corruption is more systemic since they run 90% of the wealth.

>>58944089
>In any case, do you also have the same disdain for Italian, Protugese and other such enclaves ?
Yes they are problematic as well. Though I'm not sure why you put Portuguese next to Italian.

I believe most of the Italians did finally integrate (not all) but I have doubts 3rd worlders can do the same.

>Pretty sure the children they produce are more likely assimilated into society and are living the typical life of a contributing worker.
Actually statistics show second generation immigrants to be far worse than the first generation. Possibly because they lack the mindset that came with the first generation's desire to immigrate in the first place, and also because often the first generation is a genetic outlier that is more intelligent on average than usual (here I'm talking of the people that wait a decade to immigrate somewhere not random refugees that just walk in).

>>58944141
I don't know, I see a lot of consumerist chinese and swag fags that spend a shitton in malls while living in skyrise condos using daddy's money. Sounds like a typical consumerist to me.

And yea not all will integrate fully, it's just how it is. Even in their home countries they do not produce anything with a nationalistic intent. I mean look at the melting pot that is America. Hanging a flag on your doorstep is the epitome of integration. What else? Eating a burger? Their children probably recite the Pledge of Allegiance or whatever. And probably buying an iPhone.

Anyway the point is, there isn't an all out race war and such is an example of a multicultural at least existing and not destroying itself.

>>58944089
>Pretty sure the children they produce are more likely assimilated into society and are living the typical life of a contributing worker.
No.
I'm the immigrant from before, ad that's not true fro normal non-isolated immigrants, let alone those who grow up living in enclaves.

>The point is enclaves are not totally a leech on societies as they still pay taxes.
You keep repeating that "they pay takes, so they're totally ok", while completely disregarding the rest of my points (and the fact that they don't even pay all the taxes kek).

>And as long as they do not outwardly attack the presiding community or the host county, they are free to do what they want.
They can damage the country in indirect ways too.
Do you believe that if someone does damage in an indirect way, then the damage should be ignored and it's all ok?
Plus they do attack the country. Maybe not the chinese, but the arabs and gypsies often do.

>>58944089
>Rich white men run the country so they have most of the wealth.
Like rich asian men run China, kek.
The US is essentially a white country, so obviously they're going to be the ones running it.

>In any case, do you also have the same disdain for Italian, Protugese and other such enclaves ?
It all depends on how compatible their cultures are, and the ratio between the leeching and contributing.
Each case is different.

>>58944101
But that's how it works in virtually every country on earth. It's just part of a country's economy (a sort of inevitable inefficiency if you will).
It's different than someone coming from outside and leeching off of you.
It's the difference between your personal finances getting worse because you have kids that cost money, and them getting worse because you let your stoner friend from college sleeping on your couch and eating from your fridge.
One is just part of life, while the other is a needless problem you can do without.

>>58944233
They're not leeching when. They're paying taxes though. Leeching is giving nothing in return, like a parasite. Leeching is more like entering the country, asking for handout and doing fuck all with it. Enclaves started business that serves anyone, mostly they own kind since it makes sense since they know what they want. No one is stopping a white man from eating chinese and a chinese buying an iPhone.

Them not fully paying taxes is equivalent to other rbusinesses not fully reporting their expenses. It's not a 3rd world enclave problem, it's corruption from any greedy entity that seeks to make a profit.

I don't know, I see plenty of immigrants doing the usual uni, work, rent, buy iPhones deal. That's integration. You can't expect them to be fully whitewashed.