/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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First for Theo de Raadt.

First for shilling

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First for Freedom.

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install Source Mage

hey /g just posted this in old thread before bump limit...i hope that someone can give me some cool direction here...

so i have a question and was directed here, not trying to be a personal tech service question here as a preview... i am backing up and reformatting my MacBook air 2011 4gbram 250gbflash hard drive, and i'm possibly looking for some tidbit of info regarding what best to install to gain some power over my system, been looking at arch but also vmware esxi? like a hypervisor? kind of lost but very interested in what my best options could be with this fresh install, even if it's just pairing down os x, looking for optimization and streamlining, basically want to learn a ton of programming and do some school stuff, web browser and email... the more i think about it the more i think just OS X with a vmware fusion install and then playing around until i want to dual boot might be the solution but any information you guys can further offer will be much appreciated

thanks

i'm not a robot

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>>58923011
>flash
>skype
>FREE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>58922964
I'm a bit new to linux and I'm a bit confused about why there are three bin directories (/bin /sbin /usr/bin). In my installation /bin is a symbolic link to /usr/bin anyway so I'm guessing it's just a legacy thing. Is there a reason behind it?

>>58923051
Excuse me Mr. Robot, I didn't quite get what you mean but maybe you say you want to test GNU/Linux. Any virtual machine you already know how just works.

For first distro, maybe try go with Elementary, or Ubuntu MATE. They are both similar to your current OS.

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>>58923084
>In my installation /bin is a symbolic link to /usr/bin

>>58923121
What does this mean?

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>>58923084
Here.

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>>58923013
>how SM users see themselves

>>58923139
I see but why is /bin just a symlink?

I've been distro hopping a little bit over the past few days. I'm trying to get a nice distro on my laptop which strikes a balance between being stable while also giving me room to tinker, (an intermediate distro of sorts).

I've tried OpenSUSE which works but it doesn't quite co-operate right with my nvidia card. Does anyone know of any distros which fit this area of working well, giving me some room to tinker while not choking on NVIDIA cards? GNOME 3 as the DE would be nice as well (don't laugh.)

install gentoo

ok I installed arch as my first linux along with MATE

is there a way to make MATE look better?

>>58923159
what distro are you using?

>>58923195
Arch

>>58923121
>Arch users actually defend this

>>58923084
It's not a legacy thing, the reason behind it is that Arch devs are complete autists.

>>58923216
thanks, now I know I won't ever install Arch

>>58923237
I remember when they pulled that stunt. It was pretty much the last straw for me.

It's called the /usr merge. Fedora and Arch are really into it.

>>58923237
Why won't you, that's the answer I need.

>>58923217
But why did they use a symlink?

>>58923251
thanks, now I can discard Fedora too

>>58923254
because they decided that having four separate directories for binaries was illogical so they moved everything into /usr/bin and replaced /bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin with symlinks to /usr/bin. They did the same thing with /lib - moved it all to /usr/lib. I don't know why. Because they want to be different? Because they think they are better than decades of convention? Because now that we use systemd, we don't have to worry about trying to access directories that might be on separate partitions or some other bullshit technical reason like that?

>>58923254
is just a cosmetic change at best

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What happened to lo/g/os?

Anyone had any experience with Manjaro and other arch based distros? Are they any good at all?

>>58923110
is there a way i can download something like a bootloader like a hypervisor to have different options presented upon start or is vmware the best way besides actually loading the os?

i strongly appreciate the humor and the assistance

http://chris.com/ascii/index.php?art=people/skeletons

>>58923303
Why were they separate in the first place?

>>58923349
spooky

>>58923307
yeah, what happened?

>>58923304
I take back what I say, is like cosmetic surgery with Dr. Satan

>>58923334
anon, a bootloader is not an hypervisor, maybe what you want is virtualbox fancyness, like a toolbar?

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>>58923350
TRADITION

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>>58923158

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>>58923499

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>>58923521

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>>58923544

>>58923166
arch
or antergos if you cant read a wiki

the AUR alone is worth it

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>>58923570

>>58923328
manjaro is hot garbae and their developers are incompetent

if you want an arch based distro that is easy to install try antergos, at least then you can remove its repository without breaking anything and just continue using it like you would regular arch

>>58923590
It's not manjaro's fault arch devs are incompetent

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>>58923578
hay baby

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>>58923574
>arch
>stable
>room to tinker
> > > the AUR alone is worth it < < <

>>58923166
why not Slackware? very stable OOTB. lots of room to tinker on account of having a simple init system, simple package management, etc. NVIDIA - you probably didn't install the right proprietary driver? but there are SlackBuilds for that, just takes a bit of learning and getting used to.

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>>58923616

>>58923574
the aur is just git clone; make
get over it, arch is worthless

>>58923011
>Free
WRONG

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>>58923349
now make those into a motd

>>58923683
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>>58923673
I completely forgot about slackware until you reminded me. I've only really dabbled in it once but it looks like it might fit the bill pretty well. Thanks anon!

>>58923739
It has been shilled heavily for the past several threads so you might be able to pick up some useful key infos from there.
and read the slackbook, all the documentation (there is plenty of it packaged with the distribution), poke around in the various config files, etc. as long as you follow the instructions until know what you're doing, you'll be fine.

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>>58923727
< IRL

what is the best linux?

>>58924052
4.9

>>58923683
In the thumbnail, I thought he was dressing up as a graphics card

>>58924052
Linux Torvalds

>>58924089
Who?

>>58923673
how does it not have room to tinker
how is it not stable?

any issue ive had with arch is due to my own mistake, ive never had shit break updating and I update basically blind every week

>>58924093
he meant Linus, the russian hacker
linux is his handle

>>58924422
Why is there so much Arch hate in these threads? What is the distro too mainstream for you faggots now so you have to put others down who use it?

>>58924436
Who? i run bsd btw

>>58924453
I run yomummah

>>58924464
>yomummah
someone should make a distro with that name

>>58924464
>yomummah
sound fun, so do i

>>58924449
Arch hate is a giant meme. Six months ago half the people here used it. The ex users have moved on to more customisable distros like Gentoo and slackware. That, and everyone seems to hate systemd for no fucking reason (and no, that copypasta isn't a valid reason, it's a collection of stupid memes)

>>58924489
more usable distros like Gentoo and slackware
FTFY

>>58924481
lol who doesn't amirite :D

>>58924489
More customizable because you have to compile every package I guess? But yea I remember browsing not even a year ago and every god damn thread was filled with Arch.

Systemd hate I can relate but really I've never had problems with it and it does what it has to without issue for me.

>>58924489
>Six months ago half the people here used it
half the people here still use it

>>58924499
nowhere near more usable out the box and getting everything setup the way you want moves up in complexity and time spent from arch to slack to gentoo

there should be a distro named "bentoo"
"bentoo linux", like "gentoo linux"

>>58924538
no, bento linux desu senpai
<(^.^<)

>>58924538
bento is dead

>>58924489
the hate on systemd is well founded, trust me, I was against before /g/ even knew what it was

>>58924978
>>I -use- Arch
> >kicked out of the seat
> >I use -Arch-
> >"escorted" out of the room
> >-I- use Arch
> >shat-screamed into the elevator
> >Crying Because Elevator Software Is Too Mainstream So Have To Find An Obscure Way To Do It Capital Words
> >wait for someone to enter elevator
> >"I -USE- ARCH!!!!!!"
> >immediately gets off next floor
> >Keep doing this for over 3-4 hours, only descend one floor at a time
> >Make it to lobby
> >equally shit-load neck loser walks through door
> >nobody looks at him or asks anything as he walks forward so he works here
> >I use -arch-
> >That's cool, I like debian though
> >earthquake shit autistirage nuclear explosion
> >end up in trash can screeching "I -use- arch"
> >3 weeks later put into truck
> >I use -Arch-
> >Truck stops at light
> >I use Arch
> >dumped into giant heap of cat shit
> >I -use- Arhspllllllll
> >burned
> >become the ground
> >ground hosts foundation for new building
> >They have a server in it
> >it runs redhat
cringed

>I -use- Arch
>kicked out of the seat
>I use -Arch-
>"escorted" out of the room
>-I- use Arch
>shat-screamed into the elevator
>Crying Because Elevator Software Is Too Mainstream So Have To Find An Obscure Way To Do It Capital Words
>wait for someone to enter elevator
>"I -USE- ARCH!!!!!!"
>immediately gets off next floor
>Keep doing this for over 3-4 hours, only descend one floor at a time
>Make it to lobby
>equally shit-load neck loser walks through door
>nobody looks at him or asks anything as he walks forward so he works here
>I use -arch-
>That's cool, I like debian though
>earthquake shit autistirage nuclear explosion
>end up in trash can screeching "I -use- arch"
>3 weeks later put into truck
>I use -Arch-
>Truck stops at light
>I use Arch
>dumped into giant heap of cat shit
>I -use- Arhspllllllll
>burned
>become the ground
>ground hosts foundation for new building
>They have a server in it
>it runs redhat

>>58925003
delet

>>58922964
First week of experience in my first linux environment, having an easy time learning the ropes with ubuntu!

I was wondering if there was a way to hide the top bar or make it translucent as well as changing the background color of terminal (it's purple right now and is kind of ugly. I googled this before I asked but nothing that helped.

do microsoft software developers use linux :thinking:

can someone please recommend me a distribution of gnu/linux that
1) isn't broken as shit
2) a retard can install
thank you and god bless

>>58925196
gentoo

>>58925196
ubuntu
mint
opensuse
fedora
elementary

>sisters macbook almost explodes
>retrieve HDD
>only have my linux laptop to work with
>trying to copy the HDD over to her HFS+ formatted external drive with a bunch of backups already on there

apple make this difficult on purpose I swear to god the way permissions and journaling works holy fuck.

I recently got an x230 thinkpad and decided to give Linux a whirl. I picked Solus for whatever reason, it looked nice and friendly. Now I'm having hell getting the onboard sd card reader to work. When I card is inserted, it recognized the device, and the capacity of the card. But it comes up with unknown contents, and refuses to touch it beyond that. I got it to format the card once, but then it goes back to unknown before I can actually mount it. Anyone have any experience with this? All the information I've found is deprecated and claims that the drivers and device should all work fine > kernal 2.6.17 (solus is using 4.9.7)

>>58925394
>he fell for the kevin botnet

>>58925196
arch

>>58925401
Thanks for the (You) I guess

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I need some help from some audio pros.

I'd like to setup my PC for podcasting. I have a friend who's a really cool dude and I'd like to record our chats and make podcasts out of them.

From researching /csg/, I've decided to pick up a cheap chink microphone that sounds really good. I've also decided to buy a USB audio interface that also has power for the microphone. The USB audio interface seems to work fine under Linux.

From googling, it seems that Skype works well for actually connecting people and this buddy of mine has Skype installed and knows how to use it.

Now, how do I set up audio interfaces? How do I setup things on my end so that the person I'm gonna be talking to can hear me but won't hear himself (i.e. I won't be sending him his own signal back) and yet I'll be able to record both of us?

What types of tools do I need? How do I set this up? I don't think this is way too complicated to accomplish so it should be possible, right?

Help much appreciated!

>>58923217
>Arch devs are complete autists
what did he mean by this?

>>58926086
unless you're retarded you should understand very well.

What's the comfiest vpn for on a headless SBC?

>>58926658
>comfiest
excuse me?

>>58926670
adjective, comfier, comfiest. Informal.
1. comfortable.

>>58926679
yeah, how is that an appropriate adjective to describe a VPN?

>>58926703
he meant 'worst usability and most overpriced VPN'

How do you lock root login but allow semi access to it via Root Terminal that prompts a gksu password dialog and opens a terminal? I had this on my old distro, but I had to install a new one. I just ran passwd -l root but now I can't access root terminal even through the gksu terminal.

I think I need to run a liveCD and mount in my drive to enable root again, but I don't know why it didn't work.

Is there a better way of doing this? My user isn't in the sudoers, I don't like using that, I prefer to open a root specific terminal from a password dialog and not allow people to guess root passwords.

Fuck, I had this even on my server, it worked on Debian, but won't work on slackware for some reason. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?

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I am running antergos and have Gnome with the PCManFM file manager. (that's the default)
I have logged in to gnome with my Google account so I can access my drive from the file manager but it doesn't show up there. Does PCManFM just doesn't support it? Should I switch to another file manager?

Hello anon, I need help installing GRUB because for some reason whenever I tried to install it I get error.

Successfully installed Manjaro no problem but then my laptop won't boot it at all. I tried installing GRUB from the Manjaro/Arch wiki but I keep error like GPT Partition Header error and such.

Any help would be appreciated!

>>58926844
Did you try installing it in MBR? If not, maybe reserve a new boot partition with like 5MB and make the bootloader run from there.

Or install Lilo.

>>58926815
Maybe you're logging into another user? Try Thunar, if it doesn't work, maybe check which directory you are in. (if you're in root, your home will be empty for example)

>>58925196
Slackware is nice desu senpai, but you gotta install stuff manually a little bit, but they're precompiled for you so you don't have to wait for it 24 hours to compile. More like 1-2 minutes if it's a huge program.

>>58926881
is there a solid intro/guide to slackware
i know there's a manual, but i'd prefer something else if it's available

>friend says he got sick of Ubuntu and had a decent amount of experience with GNU Linux, so he used arch for the past month
>Looking at his computer
>Ask why he's logged in as root
>"I didn't want to have two accounts and two home directories"

>>58926894
>Friends
GO BACK TO /V/ AND REDDIT

>>58926858
Yes I'm trying to install it on MBR. Is that the problem?

>>58926903
>>>/r9k/

>>58926894
There are some distributions that work in single-user mode.

Puppy is a good example. You're always logged it as root

>>58926893
I would like that too to be honest, I started using it since yesterday coming from Debian, it isn't that bad after moving most of my configs from there since I'm using Xfce.

You might find some videos on how to use SlackBuilds. I use SlackBuilds.org and pkgs.org. If it's not in pkgs.org, it may be in SlackBuilds.org

I think it's one of these OSs that are close to BSD but not completely BSD in a sense that you have a little bit more control over your packages. I think there is a Debian-like package manager out there, but I'm not using it, maybe I'll try later since I just started with it.

The only thing I don't like it for SlackBuilds for now is that you need t download the executable first, tar -xf it then wget the source from the website. I don't know why it's not in one tarball. Maybe there's a way out, but I'll find out later on.

>>58926915
Not really, that should make it work. Are you getting a Boot: when you start? That might mean that it didn't install right. Is it EFI or UEFI? Are you doing it correctly? If it's a new laptop it might be non-legacy EFI so check your BIOS maybe.

>>58926894
Oh god, I'm trying to do this >>58926764 and yet there are people that are WILLING to live in root? It's like living in Windows where you can just run a program as admin without even inputting your password if you have the rights.

That's just scary after using loonix for a while.

>>58926928
Nope, I just get insert device to boot. Is there a way to check EFI or UEFI? I just run the manjaro setup and it installed correctly, it even say install bootloader in the end of the installer but I still can't boot it. I have this laptop since 2014 and my BIOS is very simple and I can't get anything out of it.

I'm using Asus XP452CP if that help

>>58926925
Puppy is always live so anything stupid you do as root is largely inconsequential

>>58926943
Check your Boot priorities in BIOS, maybe it's getting stuck somewhere and not botting into your HDD?

This, if you're not seeing GRUB's Boot: console.

>>58926893
Oh also, the only thing that was good from the manual pdf was the Package chapter (18) iirc. it shows which commands to use to use for installation.

>>58926928
>>58926991
many thanks
maybe i'll start to mess around with it a bit

>>58927006
Yeah I guess, that's how I learned Debian, used it for about two years, broke it after upgrading to "testing" which broke mysql.

So might aswell try something new and test my skills. Good luck!

>>58926967
My BIOS priority is HDD at the top and I still cannot boot into it. Maybe it doesn't install the GRUB? When I tried booting the livecd from USB I choose option [UEFI:USB NAME] and I can boot the livecd just fine, but I can't install the GRUB because I keep getting error regarding gpt partition not right

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>>58923139
>temperory

>>58927037
Hmm I'm not sure, maybe someone else can help? What's your partition table like?

>>58926881

What do you and the other retards get out of other idiots using your distribution? What's it to you if he starts using Slackware? You certainly aren't the person who created Slackware, which means you're a pathetic excuse for a human being who is feeling pride when others do something he had no contribution to whatsoever. Kill yourself.
I don't even pity the other person if he actually installs Slackware and then comes back complaining that it doesn't work. It only proves that he's an idiot as well because he didn't take 3 minutes to research something as simple as "which distribution should I use".

>>58926915
>>58926943
>>58926844

3+ posts and you didn't provide the exact steps you took to install GRUB, yet you expect others to tell you what you're doing wrong.
Good luck.

>>58927288
people enjoy things
people want other people to enjoy things
he made a recommendation, it's not like the dude has to listen. he can try slackware; maybe he'll like it! what has gotten into you that makes you so angry, so rattled to you core that someone recommended a distro that you don't like on 4chan?
you poor soul

>>58927309

I don't care which distribution he recommended.
The point is that he recommended an "advanced" distribution to someone who clearly doesn't want that. He did it just so he can feel good about other people using something he's using.

>>58927209
I have 1 HDD and 3 partition, ext4 for the root, fat32 for /boot/efi and 1 NTFS from previous windows installation

>>58927302
https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Restore_the_GRUB_Bootloader
I use that guide to help, before I got stuck in EFI variables are not supported on this system and when I actually got it working it suddenly says GPT Partition not matching header or something like that

>>58927288
Same thing applies to you fucking gentoo and archfag. Look at you before even posting. How much of a fucking retard are you to complain about something people enjoy? Were you having so much fucking problems running ubuntu or something? You hated it so much you got mad to the point you made this post? Literally pathetic, sad, no willpower to learn and try your skills at something new.

Fucking disappear you >>>/trash/

>>58927314
why does it have to be self-serving? the dude said he just switched from debian to slackware recently and he's obviously liking it so far, so it makes perfect sense for him to recommend it to someone, especially considering it met his original criteria.
not every action taken by every human is secretly vain or narcissistic or whatever. people can be genuine and do things out of a desire to help other people

>>58927350

>gentoo and arch
Where did I say which distribution I am using? See this>>58927314. The rest of your post is inane drivel which has nothing to do with the issue being discussed.

>>58927354

It's self-serving because the requirements (which are retarded in itself and not in the list of valid distribution defining features) listed here >>58925196 don't fit with Slackware.

>>58927468
Because you sound like one of these faggots.

>hurr durr your OS is shit mine is better don't try anything else

>>58927481
All I see is someone calling out an anon for recommending a distro that fits literally 0 of the criteria the OP mentioned, most likely just because that anon recently installed slack and thinks it must be the right choice

this is all too common, one of you installs a more complicated distro and thinks that everyone else's needs can be filled with that distro

if were truly about helping people with linux, we shouldnt be reccommending slackware to someone extremely new(literally looking for an easy install) and then patting ourselves on the back for it

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How do I compile a source package / tarball, into installable package for arch?

An old machine is being used as print server for a 3D printer and I need to install the printer's driver on that machine, the issue the machine have no access to the internet, and the system resources doesn't really allow for compiling the package.

>>58925161
right click in the top bar, and for the terminal I don't use their terminal but pretty sure they can be changed in the preferences section in the menu

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>>58928256
arch has an very good wiki you should try looking there

>>58928256
./configure
make
make install

>>58928256
write a pkgbuild, and generate the package using makepkg (comes with pacman)

>Arch Linus

>>58928384
>installing outside of your package manager
You should know better

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Which kernel version is the best as of now?

>>58928586
4.4 or latest 4 if you wanna get on a wild ride

>>58928597
is the wild ride implying instability?

>>58926928
>>58926893
https://docs.slackware.com/
instead of manually searching for/downloading packages on a site you can install
http://slakfinder.org/slackpkg+.html
and use slackpkg with third-party repos
similarly, use
http://sbopkg.org/
for SlackBuilds instead of downloading them manually from the website
you get the comfy menu and it automates the whole process

>>58927354
>>58927314
autists getting mad that Slackware is a sane, sensible distribution that doesn't make you retarded

>>58927468
Slackware is not broken as shit and I was a retard for the first 2-3 years of using it and had no problems installing/reinstalling. That was actually one of the only things I could do well at first.

>>58928620
no --and thats how the ride starts

>>58928586
use the latest stable kernel (4.9.9) unless you're using proprietary drivers that don't support it, or you have some other reason not to
if it's a server or something, perhaps consider instead the latest longterm version (4.4.48)

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>>58928620

>>58928374
I didn't find anything on how to compile a package on a system to be used on different one.
>>58928384
I thought this wasn't a good idea.
Since it will be installed outside your package manger, and you'll be left with files you don't need but can't delete.
>>58928421
Thanks, is there any more easy to understand resources for PKGBUILD creating?
Also how do I know what dependencies I'd need? or what dependencies it will conflict with?

>>58928704
>you'll be left with files you don't need but can't delete
What?

>>58928710
How would you uninstall that package then?

>>58928737
save the Makefile and run make uninstall

>>58928704
>Thanks, is there any more easy to understand resources for PKGBUILD creating?
>Also how do I know what dependencies I'd need? or what dependencies it will conflict with?
if you know enough to build a package manually, you know enough to write a pkgbuild
the pkgbuild literally just contains what you'd do when building and installing manually

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How do I remove these annoying file associations?

They showed up after installing wine. Also why are there two of them?

>>58928781
no, PKGBULDS (or SlackBuilds, or any other package building scripts) contain what you'd do to build a package that can be installed by the package manager. This means installing in into a fakeroot, moving any documentation or libraries or anything else to a distro-specific location (if necessary), adding distro-specific default configuration (if necessary), creating whatever metadata the distro-specific package system uses for information, dependency-checking, whatever, and then packing it into whatever file format the distro uses.

It's not just configure && make && make install

>>58928652
>>58928658
Apparently Source Mage has 4.9.9 on a test grimoire since february 9. Way to go bleeding edge.

>>58928855
>source mage

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>>58928900

>>58928836
>It's not just configure && make && make install
it can be

while a pkgbuild is a bash script, it's not standalone, it just sets some variables and functions
you don't need to worry about using things like fakeroot directly, makepkg does that

there's no much you need to specify, probably just the package name, version, and architecture(s), along with the package() function, which can contain literally only "configure && make && make install" and still end up with a usable package

of course on more complex packages, you might have things like a custom service unit, desktop files, icons, distro-specific adjustments and locations, etc

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>>58928906

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>>58928978

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I'm trying to install Debian on my x200, but I think there's something wrong with the installer on my USB pen drive.

How do I check to see if I prepared it correctly?

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>>58929006

>>58928704
Download the TARBALL.

./configure
make

Then copy the folder over to the machine and then run make install

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>>58929196

>>58929176
even ubuntu has self check you can run

is debian really that shit?

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>>58929223

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Here I go.

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>>58929236

I'm having a DNSCrypt issue.

I used Dnscrypt-loader on Xubuntu to set dnscrypt on boot, but for some reason it refuses to work. Every boot I have to:

1. Run dnscrypt-proxy
2. Go into connections, remove 127.0.0.1 dns
3. Add 127.0.0.1 dns

The second and third bits are just annoying - any way to solve this?

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>>58929258

>>58929239
>make menuconfig
>not make nconfig
how do you survive?

>>58929239

>64bit kernel (NEW)
>(NEW)

>>58929304
Have you never compiled a kernel on a fresh system? What babby distro do you hail from.

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>>58929299
>>58929304
too many options

>>58929228
I can boot from it, but the install doesn't start, so I'm pretty sure it's just me that did something wrong. But what?

>>58929239
>4.7.10
you know that's an EOL kernel that's almost 4 months old, right?

>>58929363
I am just testing things.

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>mfw found out that you can install Debian with "recommends=false" as boot parameter
finally free of bloat

>>58929410
enjoy ur shit package manager and repository friend

>>58929410
Ascend to Devuan and you'll get rid of the ultimate bloat, systemd.

>>58929319

I use mainstream, modern hardware and have zero reasons to deviate from my distribution's default kernel. Chances are neither do you or the guy who is compiling it.
Stop being a pretentious idiot.

reminder that debian ships with linux 3.16 and the worst mainstream package manager

>>58929497
why are you getting upset?

>>58929638
there's nothing wrong with the first part and pacman is definitely the worse one although I agree, any frontend dpkg has to offer is subpar compared to sometihng like dnf.

Can't wait for Poettering to step up and implement package management in systemd

>>58929753
>Can't wait for Poettering to step up and implement package management in systemd
and this is how free will is lost

>>58929753
>package management in systemd
why doesn't he just make his own kernel/distro and leave everyone else alone
>because nobody will use it

The real evil is RedHat, Poettering is just a pawn desu.

considering running Gentoo on my Asus laptop (it has an SSD), will I run into any compatibility issues?

>>58930021

Stop using software made or contributed to by Red Hat. Good luck using anything worthwhile.
If you do anything else, you're a hypocrite and should kill yourself.

>>58930037
Nope

$ uname -r
4.9.0-1-amd64
$ apt-cache policy linux-image-4.9.0-1-amd64
linux-image-4.9.0-1-amd64:
  Installed: 4.9.6-3

Why is Debian sid like this? New system that I installed from mini.iso

>>58930164
There is a clear difference between contributing and hijacking. RedHat has been making clear they want to monopolize the control over the userland, and kbus was their attempt at the kernel.

Not even trying to start a flamewar here.

>>58930317

It's free software, you cannot monopolize it. How's that paranoia working for you? What significant contributions have you made? Where is your alternative which would work as good as the current solutions (by Redhat)? I don't see you posting anything or contributing. All you do is complain about things that you most likely have no in-depth knowledge of (me neither, but I can at least admit it).

>>58930354
rh shills out
reeeeeeeeee

>>58930354
Stop the harassment buddy. When the developers of systemd demand to tmux having systemd as a dependency, it stops being polite contribution, just like you went full retard.

Also, is not the first time they force a broken project into the mainstream.

I use Arch

>>58930393
found your problem

>>58930399
ah

how can I completly de-red hat my system?

>>58930386

>systemd a dependency of tmux
[citation needed]

>went full retard
I suggest you read about free software and the basic freedoms it grants you and then think about how that basically makes monopolization impossible.

>Also, is not the first time they force a broken project into the mainstream.
What does that even mean? No one is forcing anyone to do anything. What does "mainstream" even mean?

>>58930368

Kill yourself if that is the only argument you can come up with.

Is kali battery friendly?

>>58930442

Start by going through Linux git commits and remove anything contributed by Red Hat.

>>58930470

A distribution cannot be battery friendly. A distribution is a package manager with software repositories according to certain criteria, which are released with a specific release model.

Arch is supreme.

>>58930469
>[citation needed]
github
>>58930469
>I suggest you read about free software and the basic freedoms it grants you and then think about how that basically makes monopolization impossible.
I suggest you read about GPLv3 and why new licenses are created.
>What does that even mean? No one is forcing anyone to do anything. What does "mainstream" even mean?
pulseaudio

>>58930485
is RedHat hijacking a better term for you?

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How do I get the same font rendering on Linux?

>>58930519

>github
So you can't provide it, just as I assumed.

>I suggest you read about GPLv3 and why new licenses are created.
How can I make GPL licensed software proprietary? Tell us, because apparently you're a master lawyer who found a loophole in the license to legally do it.

>pulseaudio
No one is forcing you to use Pulseaudio. No one forced any distribution to use Pulseaudio.

>>58930529
your browser font rendering =/= your OS font rendering

>>58930529

You modify your fontconfig settings until it looks like that.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_configuration

>>58930548
You stupid, aren't you?

>>58930541
>So you can't provide it, just as I assumed.
I won't google it for you
>How can I make GPL licensed software proprietary? Tell us, because apparently you're a master lawyer who found a loophole in the license to legally do it.
Don't put words in my mouth. What we are saying is that RedHat is making all users depend on their tech support by controlling critical software development, and knowing that RedHat makes money by providing tech support is more than enough to not trust them.
>No one is forcing you to use Pulseaudio. No one forced any distribution to use Pulseaudio.
Yes they do, all precompiled packages on distros like Debian, Ubuntu, and whatever have pulseaudio tightly integrated and breaking things.

>>58930541
Nobody is judging the license you moron.

itt redhat shills starting a flamewar

If I have to choose between using Ubuntu with Mir and Fedora with Wayland, I won't hesitate and choose Ubuntu.

>>58930610

>I won't google it for you
You're the one making the claim. Why would I research your wrong claims?

>What we are saying is that RedHat is making all users depend on their tech support by controlling critical software development, and knowing that RedHat makes money by providing tech support is more than enough to not trust them.
Someone making money off free software is a reason not to trust the software? Ha ha, oh wow. Don't use any software at all.

>Yes they do, all precompiled packages on distros like Debian, Ubuntu, and whatever have pulseaudio tightly integrated and breaking things.
Don't use those distributions. No one is threatening you physically or psychologically to use certain software. It is free software. You are allowed to modify it to your needs and to spread your modified version amongst other freedoms.

>>58930630

You cannot monopolize free software because of its license. Therefore the license is relevant to the topic.

>>58930759
just stop

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>>58930759

Is just one guy shilling for RedHat, ignore.

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>/fglt/ btfo

Total noob here using xUbuntu:

When I start an app in terminal, what to do, to prevent closing said app, when I close terminal window?

Terminal window, that I used for launching app, becomes unusable, that is, doesn't automatically go to name@comp_name:~$, even if I write it on my own.

>>58923307
anyone has a link to the latest version?

>>58931099
You need another program called GNU Screen to keep that open.
Install it, start Screen and detach.

>>58929638
dude backports lmao

>>58931092
kek

>>58925168
microsoft devs who work on the linux kernel (hyper-v support) or that meme IDE that works on gahnoo+loonix probably use it.

>>58931092
I know what you are looking at, and let me tell you, that comment only proves that Debian is kill.

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What's all this about?

Redpill me on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.

>>58931326
Another anti-GNU flamewar.

can I somehow make the interval in i3blocks be less than 1?

>>58931326
A guy left the organization because his trans friend fucked up and he didn't like he was kicked out. Can I have source for the article?

>>58931360
I heard i3gaps is for that

>>58931364
https://libreboot.org/gnu/

>>58931399
how?

>>58931410
>unironically using the words "bully"/"bullying"

How do these people expect anyone to take them seriously on any level?

>>58931410
Nice, I expected some propaganda but this is high level marketing war.

>>58931410
KEK WHAT THE FUCK

>X fights for rights
>X is succeeds
>X gets incriminated for sexual causes
>X is automatically deemed guilty by media
Jacob Appelbaum, Julian Assange, guess who is next?

What happened with Jacob btw?

>>58923084
>3
sudo find -type d -name bin

>>58931557
>"Reading this highly distorted version of my experience, which is being used as one of the 'bulletproof examples' of Jacob's alleged misbehavior, I can’t help but wonder. Wonder about all the stories that have been published the last days. Wonder not only about mob justice on twitter, caused by rumors and speculation, but also about the accounts repeated by those who call themselves journalists. Wonder about how many other stories have been willingly misinterpreted. Wonder about the witnesses in all these stories, who coincidentally always seem to consist of the same set of people. Wonder about their motive to speak on my behalf without my consent."
http://gizmodo.com/jill-bahring-i-was-not-assaulted-by-jacob-appelbaum-1781684838

Looks like the CIA to me.

What's wrong with xorg?

>>58931410
http://fossforce.com/2017/01/gnu-officially-boots-libreboot/
Worth reading: http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html since Rowe loves writing in third person.

>>58931748
Nothing. Wayland shills will spread FUD about security problems, don't listen to them.

Aside from Common Sense 2016, do I need an antivirus/antimalware on Linux? Is there even such a thing?
I'm pretty sure Comodo makes one.

>>58931889
Okay.

>>58931891
GNU/Linux*

>>58931891
GNU/Linux*

>>58931891
There are no viruses. There are only programs doing their jobs. If you can't check what the program does, because the program is proprietary, you don't run the program.

Simple.

>>58931891᠎
GNU/Linux*

>>58931891
You can check for Windows malware using clamav, but that's basically it. Common Sense is the only suprese way. Btw, upgrade to Common Sense 2017, breh.

>>58931891
GNU/Linux*

>>58931748
Works too well, obviously we need to break it

>>58931891
No, but some people like to be extremely cautious (and with people I mean banks, Fortune 500, etc.). Of course you have options arranging from a simple firewall manager like gufw to NSA's kernel module SELinux.

>>58931891
iptables (or ufw)
firejail
dnscrypt
tor

did I forget something

>>58931904
>>58931926
>>58931943
>>58931982

Thank you Anons.

>>58931929
But, isn't there a possibility of a malicious program /script that would execute itself without me knowing, such as while browsing the web or something?

>>58931976
I should but wasn't sure about the compatibility.

>>58931998
>But, isn't there a possibility of a malicious program /script that would execute itself without me knowing, such as while browsing the web or something?
jails will help here, look into firejail

>>58931998
You're welcome.

>>58932010
>firejail
this, so fucking simple

>>58931891
The distro maintainers do that job for you. Just keep your system up-to-date.

>>58932010
Right. So running programs in a sandbox, that way there's no way any script could breach into the system. Makes sense.
But is it necessary?

>>58932075
Depends. What are you trying to hide?

>>58932112
Nothing, just being autistic.
Bank/Credit card info, passwords, etc.

>>58931899

Don't listen to them, but listen to this >>58931889 guy. Do not inform yourself, just accept someone else's opinion.

>>58932075
Depends only on your paranoia level.

An up-to-date system is usually enough, but it doesn't protect you from some tard who finds a bug and abuses it without reporting it. Here either Common Sense or Jails are the solution.

>>58932129
Just use KeePassX for those and keep the file in a pendrive. Also use kpx to create passwords for you.

>>58932144
So what -is- wrong wiht xorg?

>>58932144
Post sources fagget. How is X bad?

>>58932174
what isn't?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44

>>58932174
Code too spaghetti it seems. But don't worry, systemd is just fine.

>>58932178

Which one is "bad" isn't the point. The point was just blindly accepting something without any proof or arguments. The point would still stand if he was told the opposite.

Anyone interested in a superficial opinion can watch this interesting presentation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44

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kernel compiled

If you don't like xorg you can fork it....oh wait.

>>58931889
>security problems
not an X hater, but one of the things that always gave me a kick about "security" in X, at least in the physical access sense, is the fact that in most cases any "locking" mechanism can be bypassed CTRL-ALT-F1

>>58932174
>>58932178
botnet

run xeyes for proof

>>58932320
>CTRL-ALT-F1
Brings you to the shell login.

>>58932320
>an access login is insecure
but anon, you can say all DE's are in the same boat

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>>58932245
<):^)>>>

Is Source Mage the new meme?

>>58930469
https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428

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>>58932400

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>>58932434

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>>58931891
Look up ClamAV.

Great tool to scan shady Windows software (you obviously should never run shady Linux software), email attachments and that USB flash drive your friend gave to you.

Developed by Cisco (that might be an issue for someone so just saying).

Bear in mind it's not a real-time scanner like you get on Windows, but that's a good thing.

>>58932443

It doesn't depend on systemd, it just uses systemd's dbus API. Stop bending words and going out of your way to twist the truth just to have a reason to be upset.

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>>58932453
>implying anyone using source mage has money to hire a hooker, let alone one with that figure

>>58922964
Does anyone know which Flash Player file do I need for PlayOnLinux to install Flash Player? I've tried so many and it keeps failing

>>58932581
dbus was usurped by systemd at the very start, there is no dbus without systemd.

>>58932581
>>58932443

Actually it does depend on libsystemd which would only be used for systems which already use systemd.

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>>58932601
except on Slackware

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>>58932733

>>58932222
This was interesting.
Thanks for posting.

>>58932601

>The only fundamental requirement to build DBus is an XML parser,
>however, there are a number of other software packages which (if
>present) will enhance functionality.

>Requisite:
>Gettext
>expat

>Optional:
>libselinux
>doxygen
>xmlto or meinproc4

https://cgit.freedesktop.org/dbus/dbus/tree/INSTALL?h=dbus-1.10

Stop spreading myths.

>>58932813
why gentoo developers had to fork dbus again?

>>58932591
Flash doesn't exist.

Why aren't you using Arch Linux?

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>tfw finally tried out rsync

what's wrong with systemd?

What disto does /fglt/ use?

>>58932884

rsync -av --delete

will delete everything not in your origin directory

>>58932919
But why?
I mostly like not having to manually figure out which of my computers has the most up-to-date version of which Document. Just rsync the entire folder back and forth and I'm done.

What is the very best program ever created?

>>58932942
cowsay

How well does Linux run on ARM? Will I run into programs that run on 32 and 64 bit systems that won't run on ARM?

>>58932942
ls

I'm a uni student who uses literally nothing on his laptop except a terminal, a pdf viewer, a browser and maybe gimp. I want the least battery usage with the fastest boot time.
Is arch with a tiling manager the right choice?

>>58932964
Yes

>>58932968
Arch is always the right choice.

>>58932968
Devuan if you don't want to fall for the Arch meme.

>>58932968
Don't listen to >>58932975
Battery life doesn't depend on your distro. Install anything you want and don't use programs that suck on your battery. Run powertop to find such programs and/or enable powersaving modes.

>>58932935
I backup my media drive once a month or so. I don't add shit to my backup but I do add and delete movies etc. in my media drive. If I watch a movie and delete it, I want rsync to automatically delete it from my backup next time.

rsync -avh --progress --delete /media /backupdrive

I use a 2TB external drive for backups. Not the best solution but it werks..

>>58932994
>replacing a meme distro with another meme distro

>>58933001
alright. I just want something really lightweight.
>>58932994
is systemd really that much of a hog?

>>58933027
Get a netinstall of (any) distro or Arch. Setup something like i3 or openbox. Have fun.

>>58933027
I have a small server running Debian with systemd, and yes, and is also really annoying.

Post thing that work but are wired.

man man | man man

>>58933036
alright thanks senpai

>>58932994
>Devuan
>Choosing your distro based on politics

Are you allowed to post on 4chan without your handler?

NEW THREAD WHEN?

NEW THREAD
᠎>᠎>58934011

>>58933071
new thread >>58933094

>>58933094
first for Source Mage

I have one hard drive with Windows 7 on it and one with Ubuntu.

Is there a way I can get a menu on boot up to select what OS I want to use? I like GNU+Linux for browsing but I need Photoshop.

>>58933325
Install and configure GRUB

>>58932942
false

>>58933333
nice digits
>>58933377
u2

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So I just decided to look up this source mage thing, and now my fucking sides are in orbit
>a source-based GNU/Linux distribution based on a sorcery metaphor of "casting" and "dispelling" programs, which we refer to as "spells", and a package manager called "Sorcery".
>The Magic is truly in your hands with Source Mage.

Gentoo vs. Source Mage
go

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>>58933523

>>58933053
What's the point of this?

>>58933523
this is exactly the reaction I had, except when I looked at it, it was still called "Sorcerer" and it was an unfinished pile of shit with a 1997-style website design that used green text on a dark tiled background with star/swirl patterns
and it broke constantly

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>>58933027

>>58934164
I don't see any of that now. Even their page is updated.

>>58933523
>>58934164
>A set of available spells is called a “grimoire”.
It just keeps getting better and better