Ryzen General - Faster than 7700K, Pair with 6900K, 1700x $389

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>>58918041

Cant wait for some 6c/12t benchmarks.

>>58918041
fucking january,february, and early march suck for tech. nothing goddamn new comes out

>>58918086
I'm curious how they will be binned when they come out. Disabled cores won't help at all if the chips are leaky as shit.

bad chip intel is better

>>58918098
>nothing goddamn new comes out
You got Intel™ Kaby Lake. :^)

>>58918041
how's the GNU/Linux support?

Who gives a shit about rgb led cooler bundles. Tell me will ryzen have amd-v, aes ni, management engine or similar?

Will motherboards offer 10gigE? What about pci lanes? My xeon offers plenty, but no overclocking support.

>>58918119
They added Zen support loooooooong time ago.

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It's over, sasuga Lisa Su. The only worthy processor left to buy in Intel's desktop lineup is G4560

Why is 6900k faster tha 7700k? Where's the logic in that?

Is march the 2nd looking like the release date?

>>58918143
>The only worthy processor left to buy in Intel's desktop lineup is G4560
Up until Raven Ridge comes and kills their lineup for good.

>>58918127
Seems like you want a Xeon D, and I advise you to buy a Xeon D because the Xeon D is one of the more interesting CPUs Intel has released in the last 5 years.

Don't have enough money? Too bad, core count, a lot of I/O, 10GbE, ECC are indeed costly.

>>58918071
>literally shit
Pajeet is showing his influence at AMD
Perhaps Jim Keller was a Poo-in-Loo after all

>>58918163
Nice damage control.

>>58918144
>8 cores LGA2011-3 socket cpu vs 4 cores LGA1151 socket

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>Intel scrambling in damage control mode

>>58918163
>trying to b8 this hard

>>58918054
XFR isn't just an unlimited turbo, there is a separate feature for that.

>>58918141
>>58918106
The naming scheme is actually genius, and it capitalizes on intel's existing market presence. Intel has their core i branding; i7/i5/3. What AMD has done is encapsulated that. Instead of the i7 they have the Ryzen 7. Same strong vowel sound present, but the word completely ends on the name of the core arch itself, making it distinctly AMD. It serves to tell you how it positions against an intel part, and sounds just like it as well.
Its the type of thing auto manufacturers did to each other for a long time trying to one up each other. Its brilliant.

>>58918255
>it capitalizes on intel's existing market presence. Intel has their core i branding
Jesus fucking Christ, not this shit AGAIN AMD

>>58918245
this is copyright delete this please

When will AMD babbies understand that they will never have a faster CPU than Intel?

>>58918293

>apart from when they do

>>58918245
This can't be real, it's as if this was written by a brainwashing droid.

>>58918293
amd doesn't need to be as fast. they just need to get very close or better in certain cases while being wayyy cheaper

it's all about price/performance

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>>58918293
They understood this very well during K8 times. Pentium 4 was sure the best space heater on market.

>>58918255
>Same strong vowel sound present

who the fuck cares the naming scheme is retarded as shit. why not just call it 4/6/8 to reflect the number of cores? plus they're bigger numbers than intel's shitty core nomenclature so normies will think it's better automatically.

>>58918255
>XFR isn't just an unlimited turbo, there is a separate feature for that.
And its name is?

>>58918160
Oh I've looked into getting a xeon d, in fact already a year or two ago IIRC. Its not that I dont have the budget, sometimes my plans go through at company hq, but I dont like being ripped off. I wish amd will offer some light naples chip for workstation use so I could buy one for toying around, say 16c/32t with all the naples goodies.

>>58918313
brescott ebin :--dDDD

>>58918343
>say 16c/32t with all the naples goodies
It's called Snowy Owl, anon.

>>58918366
hyberbibeline :--dDDD

>>58918343
>>58918368
Snowy Owl 16c parts are rumoured to all be embedded parts to compete directly with xeonD. Probably a requirement as a two die part can't use the rumoured quad channel server boards.

>>58918301

It is, its from Intel's retail crew (I forget what they called, edge or somethin?). The last answer is evidence that Intel is worried as they provide a complete non-answer.

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>>58918293
Intel has nothing compelling coming until 2021 at the earliest.
AMD has Zen+ coming next year. Even more IPC and frequency.

>>58918301
Its real, its from their Retail Edge program.

>>58918316
Precision boost.
XFR just squeezes out a tiny bit more frequency when possible. For example if you set a core to run at 5ghz, and the sensing paths see a span of 10 milliseconds where the chip can run at 5050mhz, it'll do it for that brief time period which increases average clock speed over time.
Its just capturing a very tiny bit of potential performance that would otherwise go unused. For some reason people are mistakenly thinking this is going to be the same as auto overclocking. Its not anything that drastic.

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The endless eternal wait for zen....

So long....we've waited so long...then we waited some more...it's still not here...

It will never be here...oh God the waiting...it's been years since it was first announced...its still not here...

Children have been conceived and born and Zen will never come...oh God so much time has passed...the endless painful waiting

WE WAIT ALWAYS AND FOREVER.

It's been so long....so much time...and still we wait

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>>58918368

>>58918412
I see it depends on cooling, so naturally the boost window can be widened by better cooling, no doubt some will delid their chips to test this further.

Wait let me check if I've got it right. AMD actually made a cpu that matches the new i7? Is it cheaper? If so how much? Should I buy one? Is AMD competitive in the CPU business now?

>>58918418
I know the feel anon. Lets just hope its released in early march.

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The waiting is all there is now. Only the endless waiting.

We exist only to wait for what never comes...we wait...We Wait...we Wait...

WWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEE WWWWWAAAAAIIIIITTTTTT

Waiting is all there is...eternal endless waiting.

>>58918316
JOHN CENA

>>58918455
>Is AMD competitive in the CPU business now?
Yes, by the power of God-Keller they are back to Athlon64 levels of competetiveness.

>>58918315
>who the fuck cares
customers.

>>58918041
Though I look forward to AMD being competitive again (so Intel can put shit into gear again), but have they learned nothing from bulldozer? Core count doesn't matter all that much. It's single core performance that matters most.

I hope these things are at least 80% the power of Intels latest. I know they won't be as efficient, so I doubt laptops will be using AMD, but who gives a shit about efficiency on desktop.

Also, bundling RGB coolers or whatever is fucking retarded and gimmicky as fuck. I'm a gamer, but holy shit does PC gaming shit look retarded as fuck. No need to bundle that shit in

XFR is something I do not need, I can tweak everything by myself.

Thinking of going for the Ryzen 1500 if its performance is close to the i5-6600k.

>>58918496
But should I buy one? Would I get the same performance of this gen i7?

>>58918389
inbel bentium bour :-DDDDDDDDDDD

what's the word on server or multi-processor zen?

i can't upgrade unless it's a good improvement over 16 sandy vagina cores

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>>58918449
>I see it depends on cooling, so naturally the boost window can be widened by better cooling
To a degree yes, but its not that big. Its based on the fact that gates leak less and can switch slightly faster at lower temps. With high speed dynamic voltage can cut back a few mv to any given core on the fly as it clocks slightly higher, then change the settings back as they start to hit a power limit. Zen has per core voltage, and extremely tight tolerances when it comes to its regulation. Control over power is very fine grain.

The chips are supposed to have a soldered IHS, so I doubt anyone will be delidding them.

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Who 8350 with rev 1 motherboard here. My 990xa-gd3 gets spastically hot at stock speeds. HW monitor reports some mobo temps as above 90.

>>58918564
Because neither Speccy nor HW Monitor know how to handle TCTL. They aren't showing you anything close to a meaningful value.
Use AMD Overdrive and nothing else.

http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2122665/understanding-temperature-amd-cpus-apus.html

>>58918528
You want moar cores? Buy 6/12 or 8/16 part. Want same perf for cheaper? Buy top binned 4/8 one. Yes, AMD are back.

>>58918301
In current year, everything is written like this. It's unfortunate, but this is what the new generation of fucks like. They like being talked down to like retards. I don't blame Intel at all.

Have you seen the Clinton campaign site? Or any liberal blog? It's all like this. I'm sure Intel or whoever doesn't want to lose consumers, even if they are drooling brain dead Liberals

>>58918622
Back to /pol/.

>>58918605
Yes thank you very much anon

Will there be any 24 core (three die) chips?

I mean if they have a single die, two die and four die product, then why would they skip the three die one?

>>58918648
>muh feelings
Back to tumblr fag

>>58918701
Унecитe пoeхaвшeгo.
>>58918697
That falls into Opteron line. And yes they probably would.

>>58918455

they haven't done shit

you are in a synthetic benchmark thread filled with AMDrones jerking over something that has no meaning

AMD is behind every Intel cpu in performance and nothing will change once they launch

buzzwords like may, could, would, likely, close to smth, almost are common

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>>58918160
What the fuck

>>58918697
Why would a 3 die MCM exist?
The only way such a part would be made is if one die was damaged during packaging, so only 3 were left functional.
If you put a 3 die chip into a socket you're going to have DIMM slots that are impossible to address now. Its pointless.
There will only be 4 die chips in the Naples line up.

>>58918727
(you).

>>58918551
Mein neger with dual 2670s.

>>58918727
You have fulfilled all our expectations and read the Intel Retail Edge guidelines in great haste, your next Intel purchase will be discounted appropriately.

>>58918245
Kek the damage control. I use Intel on my desktop, but I like to see those Jews suffering. I might even go full red team since I already have an 380.
Ah btw some trivia:
Intel: blue team
Democrats: blue team

AMD: red team
Trump: red team
I thing I've just made up my mind

>>58918313
he probably wasnt born during the pentium 4 era

>>58918783
Yet (((Trump))) deals with Intel.

>>58918783
>AMD: red team

AMD's color for 30+ years was forest green and now it's black and white.
It was never red, only ATi was red.

>>58918711
Sorry I don't speak communism

>>58918791
Intel gives some pretty sweet taxbux at the moment, he'll deal with AMD as well once they close in to 50B market cap.

>>58918803
Too bad for you.

>>58918791
>>58918797
God damn

>>58918071
Why do people keep dropping the physics. Gamers are gonna have a cry when it loses the gaymen benchmarks

>>58918797
The FX badge is red, AMD Vision badge is red, the APU badges are red. Been this way for a long time now.

AMD's marketing colors are red, white, and black. Like all the best flags from history.

>>58918743
Welcome to Intel rape.

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>>58918855

>>58918848

Absolutely retarded memory was used.

Doesn't matter how good Zen is or isn't.

All that matters is that they were too late for the Xmas shopping season. And then they were too late for tax return shopping season.

It's over...it's over because of TTTHHHEEE WWWAAAIIITTT

>>58918848
Because they tested it on a320 board with shitty 17-17-17-39 memory. It impacts Physics and Prime Numbers tests significantly.

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>>58918803
>trumputin+bibi

>>58918895
It doesn't matter. Its too late.

>>58918760
http://heresyouryou.com

>>58918910
Too late for what?

>>58918895
>mentions lmao-tier CAS timings
>doesn't mention the FUCKING 2T COMMAND RATE HOLY SHIT IS THIS THE 800MHz DDR2 ERA OR SOMETHING

>>58918757
Could make a 4-die MCM with a couple cores on each die disabled either for binning or segmentation.

>>58918932
What DDR4 isn't 2N?

>>58918910
>>58918956
Is this some newly unlocked defense mechanism or are you just brain damaged?

>>58918508
>muh single core perf
See >>58918071

>muh watts
The top model is only 95W dude, it's really efficient. And remember, this is desktop only, there will be Zen+Polaris/Vega APUs for laptops later this year.

>RGB cooler
Just turn the LEDs off or buy another cooler. Also, the X models will most likely not include it anyways.

>>58918979
http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory-scaling-intel-z170-finding-the-best-ddr4-memory-kit-speed_170340/2

Seems a lot of them?

DDR4-2133 – 14-14-14-32 1T
DDR4-2400 – 15-15-15-32 1T
DDR4-2666 – 15-15-15-32 1T
DDR4-2800 – 15-15-15-32 1T
DDR4-3000 – 15-15-15-32 1T
DDR4-3200 – 16-16-16-35 1T
DDR4-3466 – 16-18-18-38 1T
DDR4-3600 – 17-18-18-38 1T
DDR4-3733 – 17-19-19-38 1T
DDR4-3866 – 17-21-21-38 1T (not fully stable, but AIDA64 results included)

>>58918564
>tfw 8150 with shitty mobo
This will be a nice upgrade.

>>58918924
For the consumer to care...the wait was too long.

>>58918144
>Why is 6900k faster tha 7700k? Where's the logic in that?

The first number is the generation, the second is essentially the tier. It stands to reason that a higher tier older possessor can be better than a new lower tier one.

>>58918980
I lost my mind from...

TTTHHHEEE WWWAAAIIITTT......the endless wait....

But seriously it's too late for the consumer to give a shit. They missed both major spending seasons...it's over and done.

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>>58919022
I guess I'll have to see if this GSkill kit will run with a 1 clock command rate.

>>58919113
I doubt it with those timings and that high clock.
Maybe if you raised the voltage.

Intel's response with 1.7% yields when?

>>58919141
Cannonlake, sir.

>>58919141
Cannonlake(desktop) won't ship before 2018, and probably the second half of it.
Yields will be Fermi tier, but Intel can swallow that.

AMD is going bankrupt after this though

>>58919141
They don't need a response...they actually sold something already when the consumer wanted it.

>>58919141
I don't even know if you can call cannonlake a response, it's a skylake dieshrink and two extra cores on top of skylake isn't gonna help much.
Especially not if Zen+ is released with the expected 10%+ IPC increase and higher clocks.

>>58919172
Cannonlake might not even up on the desktop at all. They might skip it and instead release Ice Lake once yields are high enough.
We could see a repeat of Broadwell.

>>58918041

Ryzen General - Slower than 7700K in Single Core Perf as exspected, destroyed by 6900K, 1700x $389 available in 2018

ftfy

Holyyyy shit this damage control.

>>58919183
This is sadly true.

Zen didn't happen...still hasn't happened...it's over and done now.

>>58919191
>Intel releasing a medium sized die on a new process with a new architecture

This can only end up in tears.
Like, genuine tears, so I doubt they'll skip Cannonlake, they need all the experience they can get fabbing mid-sized dies.

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>>58919204
Someone needs to be reeducated.

>>58919227
Ice Lake is just a Cannonlake refresh any way.
I'd say its a safe bet that we'll only see Cannonlake in low power mobile SKUs, and maybe in enterprise, with the mainstream desktop release getting shelved.

AMD supposed to win this year tho?

I was saving up for 10 years for this moment?

>>58919272
No...it's too late. Consumers already spent their holiday money and are spending tax returns now.

Its over...and can have better specs but it doesn't matter. You can't win if you don't show up.

Zen doesn't exist Zen can't exist it's all communist lie and propaganda look at this coin left right left right left right you are now alive again you are now enlightened you only remember one thing: Intel is the best

>>58919304
yeah Ryzen is FAKE NEWS, Fuck YEAHHH!

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Being in the past two threads posting meaningful content and now we got "It doesnt' exist" and "It's too late" fags showing up to the party.
Hard to tell if Intel fanboys, Intel PR - damage control or if they're just genuinely retarded trolls who only pretend to be retarded.

Pic is a screencap from old thread.

>>58919196
You forgot to mention Cannonlake, available tomorrow at 7nm and 5Ghz clock speeds.

If you're going to lie, might as well go big, right?

>>58919301
Keep on posting it, that will surely make it true!

>>58918622
Why do faggots like you have to drag their politics absolutely everywhere? Fucking think about something else you drone.

>>58919301
Tax returns here are after July.
Just in time for Vega :)

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>>58919355
Honestly I think there are a lot of legitimate retards and mental illness cases lurking around. I used to go on /x/ for the occasional spoopy story or picture thread, and there have been massive discussions about who has what mental problems, and what meds they're on. Diagnosed schizos who stop taking their meds because they legit think they're shamans in touch with the spirit world. People who fixate on totally nonsensical things. The way their minds work just don't make sense to a normal person.
Its hard to not see that same type of crazy in some of the shiposts here. Especially since so many PC normies have come here now.

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>tfw LC Power will only started stocking AM4 upgrade kits around March/April

Fuck me.
Probably getting an R7-1700 on release, looks spicy as fuck... Almost got a 5820K.

>>58919301
Basically nobody files their taxes before march. The people that do are probably crazy or want to get in before the rush.

The biggest thing they're competing with is the new console for Nintendo.

>>58919361

I have no reason to lie. I just corrected your headline.

>>58919401
Good for you...that makes you a distinct minority. It won't mean much with US tax returns spent already.
>>58919381
It is true. Consumers are buying desktops RIGHT NOW. This time of year is very important for consumer electronics...and those customers perhaps at a best buy or microcenter...perhaps on Amazon...maybe even fucking Wal-Mart...NONE OF THEM CAN BUY A RYZEN COMPUTER.

Because it doesn't exist on shelves. It can't be shipped from a website. Its a nonexistent thing.

That's the simple fucking truth. And I'm saying this as an AMD fan...I'm running an 8320 and an rx 470 right now.

But me and you aren't very important. Average consumers are. And right now RIGHT FUCKING NOW they are spending a shitload of money and AMD isn't there to get any of it.

That's a major fucking loss. Bitch all you want but AMD needed this and its too fucking late!

Holy shit schizo invasion.

Is there a difference between the 1700x and 1800x except the 200mhz thats worth the 100$ price difference?

>>58919462
Bullshit...the Fuck are you on?

Perhaps you think you're first of the month welfare check in April is tax returns?

>>58919543
Market timing isn't insanity.

He's not really correct, if something is a good deal people will pick up on it either way, but timing still matters and it's important to put things out when people are going to buy them.

>>58919563
Binning you retard. 1800x is black edition, it's for cuhrazee OC.

All I want to know is how good the budget chips are going to be, because I plan on building an AMD PC for my wife's son.

>shilling their new cpu's
>no AM4 boards until may 2017 from AIB

ok

If all AMD is capable of is matching Intel performance (and that's a pipe dream so far even with Ryzen) for a lower cost they might as well just fucking close up shop now and move on.

If they're not in business to do things better with better performance and pricing that cannot be dismissed - and the Ryzen pricing can easily be dismissed at this point - they're wasting their time.

>>58919528
But on the contrary, AMD is months EARLY for the 2017 holiday season :^) Notice how Nintendo is doing the same thing with Switch, supply will be ample and prices stable

>>58919661
That's not a good strategy man...

Look I despise Intel and their shitty practices and anti white racism...but AMD fucked this one up bad.

I do not believe this is something they can recover from...I'd love to be wrong but it seems too damned late.

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>>58919355

>posting meaningful content

>>58919866
Better than schizoposting or Intel relentless damage control.

>>58918418
Why would people keep this b8? Zen has always been on track

>>58919856
Dr Lisa Su is playing the perfect strategy, 14nm yields are just right and OEM partners are ramping up the production and establishing the most solid supply chain AMD has ever seen in its entire lifespan. Intel has no answer for AMD lineup, their investor presentation some days before showed they are in confusion right and left. Pity the fool who bet against Su

>>58919882
Bullshit. It was supposed to be available at the end of 2016 in OEM desktops. It wasn't there.

This is tax time...man children want gaming pcs NOW...and AMD isn't there to sell em.

>>58919866
Thanks for the (you) and checked your dubs. Pic made me laugh too so it's a win win. I'm actually getting to like this board. I'll have to drop by on more threads more often.

>>58919922
Except for jewtel is selling a shitload of computer RIGHT NOW. Right this moment.

You cannot count sales that haven't happened yet.

>>58918890
Zen main market aren't consumers but enterprise

>>58919956
It had better be.

>>58919187
But they didn't, there's been no significant improvement since Sandy Bridge

>>58919879
>>58919952


>damage control
>schizo

Go ahead and buy 5 of those CPU's I don't give a flying fuck. It won't make Intel look worse or perform bad all of sudden. The only with mental illness is you.

>>58919954
Most Jewtel sales are OEMs and enterprise, and even there everyone waits for Zen.

>>58919924
No friend, AM4 was supposed to be available OEM desktops and it was.

>This is tax time...man children want gaming pcs NOW...and AMD isn't there to sell em.
Do you know why Nvidia released Pascal at near summer and Nvidia reached record levels of profit? Because they know marketing and man children, they want HYPE and nothing else. Dr. Su is giving them HYPE

>>58919954
Desktop market is cratering except for gaming and manchildren aren't updating their CPUs. Intel cut thousands of its work force. Hard times are coming for Intel, poor Brian

>>58919992
Intel already looks as bad and kike-y as it can. God I love Intel TIM inside my Kaby Lake processor.

Why are all you fags so excited for this shit CPU line? At best AMD is catching up to where Intel was a decade ago, though that's a bit optimistic.

You know these "benchmarks" and "reports" are rigged, right? AMD is making up numbers because their sales are falling.

Latest I've heard is that AMD is panicking: Ryzen is doing worse than their old architecture on some internal benchmarks, so they're padding official numbers in desperation.

When will you amdfags wake up?

>>58920181
Brian stop.

>>58918143
Would it be worth getting the 1700x over the 1700 simply for the 95W tdp over 65W tdp?

>>58919566
No, I filed on the 1st of this month, but most people don't do that. They put it off or hand it off to tax people who are already overbooked.

>>58920337
binning is also likely.

>>58919661
>>58919856
There's a reason March is called Second Christmas

>>58920337
What is OC? You can OC 1700 manually, 1700x just gets XFR and better binning.

>>58920365
There's been no indication so far that only the X parts will have XFR

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>>58920181
>Latest I've heard

>>58920385
But it makes sense. Every chip is unlocked, you have to market better ones somehow.

>>58920389
Those built in Intel nanomachine brainwashers must be pretty convincing to him.

>>58920351
>binning is also likely
Binning is likely what?

>>58920365
Not about OC, about TDP. Yes there's only 100mhz difference, but I'd be buying the higher model for the quality, not for the 100mhz boost.

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>>58918041
>Faster than 7700K
So a 8core from AMD is slightly faster than the consumer grade 4 core from intel in multithreaded benchmarks. I'm shocked...

>>58920425
>marikaposter is wrong
Some things never change.

>>58920425
and which multithreaded benchmark do you think that is?

>>58920411
X models will be using available thermal envelope to their best potential

>>58920469
Every benchmark that the 6950x is leading, since it is much slower than the 7700k in single threaded tasks.

>>58920425
4.2 to 4.5 boost on the 7700k
3.4 to 3.8 boost on the 1700X
scale for clock speeds (ie. put a good cooler on the 1700X) and it's damn good. the overclocking headroom for the Ryzen chips is much better than Kaby lake, since they basically overclocked Kaby lake from the factory.

>>58918143
Why is the L3 cache so small?

>>58920656
>8MB per CCX
>small
The fuck is wrong with you?

>>58920686
I'm drunk?

>>58920705
Probably stoned.

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>>58918564

8320 in a 990fxa-ud5 here.

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>>58920656
16MB is only slightly smaller than the effective L3 cache size i have on my Xeon. Yeah, it says 20MB, but 2560KB of it is constantly taken up by the contents of the L1 and L2 caches of each core. Result: I have about 17.5MB of useable L3 cache.

My question though is how much have they managed to improve their cache system? Because in the construction cores it was fucking terribad and was a not-insignificant contributor to how bad those chips were.

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>keller makes intel start house fires again

what a year

>>58920806
It's nothing like Bulldozer line.

>>58920181
>Being this desperate.

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>>58920812
jus make longer bipeline :DDDdddddd

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>>58919301
>I mean for fuck sake Tyrone fucks my wife but that doesn't stop me from liking black people. Prep a fucking bull.
Hello sir? Hi, oh gawd, I’m so nervous. Sir?

>>58919301
most good computer sales are during back to school, the holiday sales are almost all cheap shit like Celerons.

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>>58920806
middle column

3/4 of you little shits arguing about which color AMD is probably were not even alive for socket 754, let alone 939

>>58920964
I miss the 440BX

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>>58920877
>tejas was going to be 50+ stages
>targeted clock speeds of 5-7ghz

>>58921037
Personal nuclear reactor, what's not to like?

Is there any reason to pay 50$ more for the 4c/8t one instead of 4c/4t? Will these additional threads be utilized in any software?

>>58921162
Stop being ultrajew poor and get the 1500.

>>58921188
I need good single-core performance and 1500 has lower frequency but a lot of meme-threads which are unlikely to be used.

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>>58918855
>AMD's marketing colors are red, white, and black. Like all the best flags from history.

my double dubs nigger

An absolute fucking gold mine

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I'm probably going to get the 1700 along with 16gb of RAM and whatever decent motherboard I can get for around 100 USD. I'm also getting an RX470 for around 120 USD to tide my 1920x1200 ass over for the time being until, say, Navi/Volta, maybe getting Vega if I happen to double or triple my income by the end of the year.

I'm in for a bit of a ride, huh? I hope the setup will tide me over for at least a few years; I don't think I can do any worse. I was too poor to get the 2500k/2600k, and I'm not making that 'mistake' again.

Speaking of mistakes, is there a chance Microcenter will run Ryzen deals near launch? There's one a decent drive away from me.

>>58921285
I always buy from Microcenter, it's one of the last hopes for brick and mortar parts chains

>>58921298
>go to best buy a month ago
>mfw 950 is still 200$

>>58921298
>paying tax

No thank you.

>>58921087
Personal reactor? Cool.
Chip that requires owning one to power it? Not so cool.

>>58921718
I'm sure Intel planned bundling it with life insurance

All Intel has to do is drop prices.
>i5 for $130
>i7 for $170
>6c i7 for 220
AMDead will get BTFO by based Intel.

>>58921780
Welcome to /g/, enjoy your stay you adorable newfaggot.

>>58918412
>AMD has Zen+ coming next year.
you mean 2019, if that

no way AMD comes out with 7nm next year

>>58921780
>Intel
>dropping prices on any chips
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>58921791
They have new arch coming every year, no one said its a 7nm part. Zen+ based chips will likely still be a 14nm variant, the successor to that will be 7nm.

>>58921780
Which is basically the equivalent of them saying
>See how we were ripping you guys off all these years? But buy our stuff, it's a bit cheaper than AMD.

Also:
>Intel
>Dropping prices more than $10
Pick one

What's the fastest DDR4 RAM I can get for Ryzen?

I'm not sure what the specifications are, or what's supported or anything. I'd like to buy some RAM right now, but without knowing what'll work with what boards, it's kind of a crapshoot.

>>58918245
This was in the training at work for the month. We all laughed at it. This is what confirmed to a few people that AMD might have a monster on their hands.

>>58921888
Boards shown so far have supported 2667mhz and 2933mhz. One vendor at CES said they have gotten a lot higher speeds stable. If 2933 at least is guaranteed on some boards then the memory controller in Ryzen isn't holding anything back. It shouldn't have any issue with a high end 3400mhz-3600mhz kit with super tight timings.

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>>58918041
say it with me /g/uys
INTEL BTFO

319 USD for an unlocked 65w 8c/16t?!
Intel won't be able to respond to that for years!

An unlocked 4c/8t (essentially an i7) processor for 175?! Say goodbye to not only the i5, but also the i7.

An unlocked 4c/4t processor for 129 USD? Goodbye i3.

>>58922143
It's a shame that Excavator has to soldier on for the sub $125 price level. A12-9800K never, probably

I'm hyped for ryzen since I need to replace my old i3 4160, but I'm afraid it'll be a let down again :/

>>58922387
>I'm afraid of being let down by an i7E competitor
>but I own a shit tier i3

Right. I'm sure your concern trolling is absolutely sincere.

>>58918071
I don't really get any of this.....

>>58922641
it shows the IPC is close enough to kaby lake, and this SKU undercuts two of the bread-and-butter performance CPUs intel sells currently. AMD for some reason can't into prime numbers.
if we talk about the 500USD SKU and extrapolate the single threaded score, we get 2154 out of the box.

without overclocking, AMD is seen as a very good value. Plus we have to see how well the Auto-overclocking works, since lots of people will just let this do the work because overclocking is scary to them.

>>58921832
Idk senpai they might drop prices 11$ and throw in a towel with it.

>>58918622
You speak the truth son. Keep fighting the good fight.

I know that Intel won't drop prices based on all the other times a legitimate competitor brought equal products to the market at half the price.

I know the industry so well.

No price drop.

You heard it here first.

>>58918622
Truth

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1400x 4(8) is $200

i5 7500 4(4) is $202

how much faster is the AMD, if at all?

>>58923622
not sure, but extrapolating the single thread score, the i5 has a slight edge unless you overclock the 1400X

>>58923622
At stock, the 1400x has slightly worse single core performance and up to 25% better multithreaded performance.

>>58923622
About 25% slower overall.

So no official support for win7 right?

So how about 8/8.1??

>>58923770
why do you want 8/8.1? if you like cancer just get 10

>>58923622
should be around 2-3% slower singlethreaded, 25-40% faster multithreaded.

Of course, with XFR anything could happen.

>>58918474
were already dead in hell. each time we die is just the devils way of making us forget so we can never get used to the pain.

>>58923778
JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION NERD

>>58923821
no official support, 10 only.

>>58918622
I've noticed this as well, things are started to be written in that format now. It's like every piece of information has to be written like it's going to be a top comment on lebbit or something. Very "propaganda" and panderish

>>58923858
K srry for mean.

Damn i wish all the tech news outlets didnt stop at 7 when mentioning whats supported and whats not. Thought i had a safe haven in 8 but i guess nope.

So will we get any reviews before March or is there a media blackout?

>>58918455
Always wait til we see consumer reviews and large scale benchmarking

While im stoked as fuck about zen, and pretty sure intel will actually have competition now, id like be 100% sure

Who knows though
The fx 9590 was supposed to be the top of the top tier but was still btfo by intel, not just because of the power consumption and heat, but because of straight up performance at a similar price point

Wait and see
Right now all we have is a handful of benchmarks and a few spreadsheets

>>58923770
Ryzen will work for Windows 7, but there will be no support for it in the future. Ignore the shills yelling that it's 10 only.

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>>58920806
This is based on the talk they gave at Japan IEEE event

L2/L3 are exclusive. L3 is an expiring cache of L2. L2 doubled to be 512KB. Also according to the diagram they're hinting a 92KB L1 cache 64KB I, 32KB D cache. But most advertisements don't reflect this (but then most advertisements don't list L1 cache so idfk).

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>>58918996
>The top model is only 95W dude, it's really efficient.
Lol you must of missed the fun of people finding out they were sucking down 145

yay rx480 all over again

how bou dah?

>>58924001
where? I have yet to see anything about that for a retail unit. even these benches are pre-production samples

>>58924001
got any proof?
>inb4 j-j-just take me a-at my word guys!

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>>58919355
lol intel PR on this shithole


keep dreaming sperg

>>58920001
>Most Jewtel sales are OEMs and enterprise, and even there everyone waits for Zen.
LMFAO

im on the hype train but that is straight retarded

>>58924027
Hes making shit up.

>>58921035
my dude :)

>>58918449
Anon please, Ryzens are soldered. Its Intel that cheaps out and shaves off 2 cents from the manufacturing costs with bad TIM

>>58921815

at best we might see 5-10% cut across the board.

>>58923821

ballsiest thing i've seen on /g/ in weeks.

i see you're a certified shit wrecker as well.

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>>58924016
>>58924027

https://twitter.com/CPCHardware/status/829680650349400064

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>>58922404
>tfw actually serious
Is there any hope of serious discussions in 4chan ever?

>>58924001
>>58924016
>>58924027

It pulls 180W running full tits, the Thermal design is never what it says it is, even intel breaks it all the time. AMD has said they can manage an average 95tdp because of aggressive throttling techniques etc... to keep it to 95watts in whatever proprietary is used to measure average TDP.

>>58922404
If you actually know what's going on then maybe you'll stop being such a snob and wake up ayymd shill.

>>58924260
Try again shitposting kike.
CanardPC said they thought the chip with a 4ghz turbo would pull 105w instead of 95w.
During CanardPC's testing of their own ES the load power consumption was under 95w.
During AMD's live Ryzen demo the load power consumption was under 95w.

Get in the fucking oven.

>>58924289

theres more than just a tweet. lol this is amd being amd space heaters for cheap


the fucking savings will be eaten up by power bills

lol needing twice as much CPU to edge out the current intel offering shows that unequivocally

>>58924216
>seems
nice conjecture

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>>58924424
sounds about the same as your ViderGaymzzz.xxx website your salivating over.


hahahah dont get me wrong i am fucking HYPHY but you nubs are putting the trailer before the car on this one

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>>58924424
>https://videocardz.com

that how videogaimz.zzz site is one big shill facotry for AMD just look at the front page

>>58924465

>>58924465
>trailer before the car
>pulling a trailer with a car
utter trash
also, see:
>>58924289

>>58924493
>>58924465
wait what is this? did videocardz.com get some ad spot or something?

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>>58924497

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/put-the-cart-before-the-horse.html

Better get to sleep kiddow, you wanna get to home room nice and early!

Kind of explains why your so hyped for this mythic release. Paper route can finally pay for something (((decent)))

>>58924407
>theres more than just a tweet.
how about you link it then?

>>58924542
I know the meaning, but you don't pull a trailer with a car unless you are poor. you pull trailers with trucks.
it's like saying "putting the cart before the lamb". if you want to modernize a phrase, do it right.

I'm guessing you're hyped for Bill Nye's new show or something?

>no reviews
For all we know it could be another bulldozer disaster. Wait until the reviews drop in March.

>>58924550
He can't because it doesn't exist. The only thing they've said is that they didn't think it was possible for B stepping silicon to hit 3.6ghz/4ghz inside of 95w, they said they thought the chip would need 105w for that added frequency. Everyone on SA and Anandtech discussed it to death a week ago. Its old news that no one cares about because its speculation, and even if it were true its only a 10w uplift, too small to matter.

This pathetic little shill has been shitposting here all day long.

>>58921780
>Yes, we need to cut our processors' prices by 75% to appease some forum neckbeard goys.

That's not how the merchant thinks, dumb goyim.

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>>58919301
>>58919528
>>58919856
I've seen you all over AMD threads lately. Anyone who was intending to buy AMD already had money saved instead of "holiday money" like some fucking child.

They are prepping for the holiday season. In fact, their timing couldn't me more perfect.

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>>58921780
>Intel reducing prices by nearly 50% in each tier
Yeah, that'll go over well

Good luck with the constant "Intel Price Gouging" articles

Help a guy out here, building a budget PC for my girlfriend and I was looking at grabbing a G4560, but should I just wait for the Ryzen and grab a slightly better mid-range CPU? Will Intel drop their prices to compete and will there be ITX mobo's for the Ryzen?

>>58924148
Kek made beer come out of my nose.

I really need to stop browsing the chans at da bar

>>58919097
Tax season is where amd sees its biggest sales figures for consumers, where as christmas is intel and nvidias.

This screams something about the companies users

>>58924965
AMD users are stuck in an endless cycle of poverty from high electricity bills?

>>58924981
Id say adults who don't get their computer shit from mommy and daddy.

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>>58924598
tfw when greater than 10% is too small to matter

i guess when you dont anything real with your computer you can just goof this gaff that and hope it all works out


reality is gonna hit you someday. whether its your neetbux getting audited or mummy not making tendies one night out of the week. either way it will hit and fuck youll have to move the chains then.... aye boyo?

>>58924989
who actually uses amd outside of those cheapass walmart laptops?
who buys cheapass walmart laptops other than niggers?
niggers aren't a high enough proportion of the population to bear out your argument - intel just has a massive market share. It's the default brand for those who aren't barely scraping by AND who are motivated enough to bother researching

Grabbing one of the 6 core models to pair with my r9 290. I assume the gains in my games will be huge right? I'm sorry fucking hype for these.

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>>58925109
>laptop docks
youll be within 15% of an intel 4c

for the price id be hype af

>>58925109
it will be pretty massive

>>58921780
hownew.ru

Is it worth waiting for the Ryzen for a new build or should I just go ahead and checkout my cart

>>58925275
two weeks anon, are you that impatient?

>>58918041
AMD is like me when I was a kid
Fuck up constantly and set the bar really low so that when I do something that I should have been doing in the first place, something so basic and menial, it's seen as incredible and I'm praised immensely for it

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Daily reminder that 2017 is the year of the AMD

>>58925109
Considering games rely on single core performance, no you probably won't get that big of gains judging by the single core performance of ryzen

>>58925309
>Considering games rely on single core performance
what shit are you playing? 4 threads is the most popular, that's why the i5 is so popular

>>58925338
four cores, four strong cores
Not eight divided ok cores, hence why the 8350 tanks in performance all the time.

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>>58925297
>mfw i did this
>mfw treated like a god just because i took out the trash

>>58925355
ok? the 8350 isn't Ryzen

>>58924508
Nah, he's just a butthurt Intel fag. Have a look at this Jew Lake stuff they posted too: https://videocardz.com/65146/intel-kaby-lake-200-series-motherboards https://videocardz.com/64799/kaby-lake-stuff https://videocardz.com/65800/intel-promises-more-than-15-better-performance-for-intel-i7-8000

>>58925410
Yet it still doesn't have the same performance using four cores as the 6700k or 7700k
which is the reason for the comparison, for 389 shekels of course it performs better than an 4 core 4 thread processor

>>58925423
IPC is basically on par with Broadwell, and Skylake/Kaby lake is only 3% away from Broadwell.

You shills sure are going into overtime to spread FUD.

>>58925423
apples to oranges. the 6900k would be "worse" by that logic than the 7700k. the only currently known task Ryzen is bad at performing is prime number calculations

>>58925442
I'm not shilling I'm just stating the truth
IPC is not "basically" on par with broadwell but it is pretty close
Until the actual product is released and everyone starts showing different benchmarks these should just all be disregarded because it's just hype building, the same goes for any intel processor, any nvidia GPU, anything.

>>58925457
In the Passmark suite the Prime Numbers, Physics, and aggregate scores are heavily influenced by RAM speed and timings. The Ryzen system tested had 2400mhz DDR4 with horrific 17 17 17 39 2T timings.

>>58925478
>it's another "muh ram" episode
eventually you'll run out of excuses

>>58925478
the fuck? doesn't that invalidate the whole test? they should be using the same 1T RAM

>>58925481
Its empirical fact, you sad little shill.

>>58925487
Other metrics aren't as memory sensitive. Everyone and their mother has been testing it and posting results online. Those 3 scores are clearly the most affected while the others seem to be too close to margin of error to tell.

>>58925510
>the same "empirical fact" guy from every ryzen thread crying about memory

>>58925510
to the other guy's credit, isn't this test technically done using an engineering sample? a late one sure, but we don't know what the retail SKUs are doing until they review those

>>58918041
Remember the leaked benchmarks showing the insane scores on the 1080 and that never happened?
Remember the leaked benchmarks showing the insane scores with the 7700k and that never happened?
Remember the etc etc etc

It's like you guys were just born yesterday, wait for the release Jesus christ

>>58918245

bwahahahhahaha this level of fear, uncertainty and doom.

>israeltel on suicide watch

>>58925515
>I don't have any facts
>all I do is shitpost and shill
Sad.
Those score are impacted by memory performance. This is an empirical fact. It can be reproduced by anyone. It isn't up for debate.
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=281929&postcount=6391
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/summit-ridge-zen-benchmarks.2482739/page-206#post-38734606
Dozens of other posts on forums like OCN show the same thing.

The saddest part is that you're such a worthless lowlife that you're actually going on the internet to lie and shill while doing it for free.

>>58921780
lmao, they didn't drop prices even when they were getting brutally raped by K8

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>>58925563
fuck off shill

sell your shit and buy AMD.... soon

>>58925574
Calm down lmao not even shilling anything
linking to nobodies on forums doesn't give your argument any weight

>>58925587
>such a pathetic shill that you can't even attempt to argue
>desperately tries to discredit a source because he can't disprove it.

Sad little shill doing it for free. What a sad life you have, little unpaid shill.

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>>58925586
>calling someone else a shill while in the next sentence telling them to buy a product

>>58921037
>he doesn't want the power of the sun inside his mitx shitposting terminal

disgusting

>>58925587
I think you're trying to say "wait for the benchmarks" right?
You're coming off as more of a "I'm going to disprove this leaked info with X" and it makes you look more fanboyish than anything.

>>58925615
>>58925586
One of you's two have a cow in the street you poo in that you could be collecting urine and feces from to sell as products for human consumption.

>>58925615
you cant even logic you are dmg cntrling so hard right now

revolutions happen. be on the right side of history or not. not my worry

>>58918143
> 6/12 65W
how is this even possible?

>>58925652
AMD magic i dont gotta explain shit

>>58925654
it takes the heat and throws it into a hole in time and space. the hole exits right inside the GTX480

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>>58925652
no. its not

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>>58925670
Jim Keller sacrificed his manhood to bring us this technology

>>58925652
>>58925654
For high binned chips a Zen core is capable of hitting 3.6ghz at 10w. Uncore power draw is a nominal 15w~ give or take. This is how 8c/16t chips are fitting inside a 95w TDP.
The 65w 6c/12t part has a 3.2ghz base clock, a lower turbo, and obviously two less active cores+L3 slices. Lower clocks mean lower voltage requirements, baseline power is lower from two less cores drawing, and uncore power is lower from the removed cache. Dropping
Its pretty easy to understand. 30w isn't exactly a huge drop in TDP.

>>58925652
Sweet & sour power

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How mad are we all going to be when actual prices will be $200 more?

>>58925707
>Dropping
Backspaced over an entire sentence there.
Dropping clocks to a lower point in the voltage curve can be pretty dramatic.*

Heres Excavator in Carrizo as an example.
XVR with AVFS
3700mhz: 22.5w~
3500mhz: 16w~
3150mhz: 10w~
2800mhz: 7w~
2450mhz: >5w~
2100mhz: 3w~
1750mhz: >2.5w~

Thats power per core pair. 3.15ghz takes 10w, but gaining 550mhz to 3.7ghz requires more than a doubling of power. That frequency is well outside of the sweetspot for the implementation of the arch on cheap 28nm HPP silicon. If Zen is hitting its sweet spot right around 3.4 to 3.6ghz then its easy to see why dropping clocks to even a moderate degree would save significant power.
Instead of 3.6ghz and 10w per core, they might be hitting 3.2ghz at 7-8w per core.

>>58925719
I'm mad as fuck about prices because I live in the great Caliphate of Britbongislamistanabad

>>58925792
but boards won't be $200 like intel 2011 boards.
you'd be able to build 6900k for peanuts compared to now

>>58925824
I fucken hope so. 320 freedombucks should be like 250 teacoins but with tech it's usually 1:1 so it will be upwards of 300 teacoins here for sure.

I agree on the motherboard side of things though.

>>58925777
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-kaby-lake-core-i7-7700k-i7-7700-i5-7600k-i5-7600,4870-9.html
The power per core for Kaby Lake can be extrapolated here.
The locked i7 7700 conveniently has a 3.6ghz base clock, though a higher single core turbo at 4.2ghz.

Under a heavy CPU load total package power is just a bit over 60w. Uncore is right about 10w. So under a heavy load the cores are pulling roughly 12.5w at their frequency. Pretty impressive considering how big they are, and how many transistors the FPU consists of.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-kaby-lake-core-i7-7700k-i7-7700-i5-7600k-i5-7600,4870-8.html

Same tests with an i7 7700k, 4.2ghz base clock up from the prior 3.6ghz.
Under the same heavy FPU load stressing the cores we see Kaby Lake now pulling 21-22w per core.

Plotting multiple data points out like this on a simple line graph gives a really clear picture of how an arch will scale in frequency on a given process. It doesn't exactly pinpoint specifics about the process itself, but thats not really the point anyway.

>>58925777
At least it shows some potential room for improvement in regards to 14nm LPP. As the process matures further if they manage to squeeze out 3.8ghz or higher at 10w per core it has huge implications for lower core count parts, and enterprise parts as well. That was the biggest surprise with Zen seeing what frequencies AMD could get from a process Samsung designed for smartphone SoCs.

Intel managed to progressively squeeze more frequency out of their 14nm Trigate process, and the same could happen with 14nm LPP at Global Foundries.

>>58923961
Can you give a more elaborate answer as to how ryzen will fuction on win 7?
What are some of the things that won't work for sure, for instance?
How much would one lose out if they used ryzen build on win 7....

Prime numbers scores are too shitty, prime numbers are used in games all the time, Zen is unfit for gaming

>>58926331
Cute shitposting.

>>58926331
>prime numbers are used in games all the time
???

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Just a reminder.

They are some anon who died waiting for Zen.

>>58926331
I'm laughing right here.

>>58926392
There are even more who will die waiting for intel to release a genuinely new core arch.

>>58925478

RAM speeds have never mattered you dumb shill

>>58926423
RAM latency matters, you dumb /v/ faggot.

>>58926423
>>58926431
Both matter but it depends on the workload, and platform and how powerful its memory controller is, dumb thread faggots.

>>58926423
What the fuck do you think serves your CPU the data it needs you fuckwit?

>>58926423
wew lad

>>58926529
HDD

>>58926549
>he thinks the CPU communicates directly with mass storage

Stop.

>>58924595
CanardPC already benched a ES chip, it's set in stone that it's going to be great

>>58926620
>AMD inclined frogs already benched

Not a valid source.

>>58926624
>things aren't valid because I say so!
The mind of a fanboy

Is there not going to be a cpu that competes with g4560?

>>58926624
But we all know you'd be all over their dicks if the benches were unfavorable for AMD, even pulling history like how CanardPC benched K8 months before they released.

The mind of a fanboy.

>>58925563
None of those benchmarks were from reputable sources senpai, and they were outliers

I'm taking 5 days off from March 1.

I can't miss the meltdown on /g/.

>>58926640
Not until 2017H1, apparently the $125 and less segment is for APU's

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>>58921285
This is the first time I see someone using a Jetway mobo besides me.

>>58925855
Oh it'll be more as of your brexit votes. I rather like buying stuff from UK now because of your weakling pound. You'll be in for a full size disaster in a while :^)

Good luck

>>58926668
>>58926668
>I'm taking 5 days off from March 1.
>I can't miss the meltdown on /g/.

5 days off from what? Anon you'd have to have a job to take time off.

I'm gonna buy popcorn as well and short some intel stock with my freedombucks.

>>58919080
I care you faggot

>>58927152
From a job.