Mac or PC?

>question
They're both cancer. Mac because mouthbreathing, head-bashed-against-a-brick-wall retarded, and PC because it weighs itself down so much in the long run by spending dev effort being compatible with so many different platforms in stead of making more short term sacrifices in the name of long term unification.

PC is just the lesser of two retards.

>>58909790
WC*

Windows XP shitpost station is the only way to go in 2017

>>58909790
literally the lowest hanging fruit of technology discussion, a dead horse beaten over and over again for over thirty years with the dumbest of often emotionally-driven arguments in discussions frequented mostly by dipshits who spend 90% of their time in a web browser and treat their telescreens as a lifestyle accessory instead of a tool for accomplishing things

please go back to /v/

>Technology board
>Differentiating software names from hardware names is still too much to ask

>>58909790
No contest, OS X

Mac is PC anon.
Also, Microsoft Windows=/=PC.
PC is just hardware by itself. What's it running doesn't matter.

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Mac obviously

>>58910199
>Mac because mouthbreathing, head-bashed-against-a-brick-wall retarded

Yeah i bet you are an expert on Operating Systems.
Didn't mommy buy you that iPod back in the day?

>>58909790
Apple cult

>>58909790
the age old retard.

Macs are PC, as in "personal computer" and x86 computer.
A PC is not just a fucking computer running windows, it's still a PC if it runs DOS, Linux, BSD, ReactOS and even OSX.

2/10 bait, made me reply.

>>58911211
It's just terminology that has stuck from the good old days when Macs weren't just run-of-the-mill IBM PCs

PC for games, Mac for literally everything else.

>>58911211
Mac identified windows that way in THEIR mac vs pc campaign. Sure it's not technically correct but it doesn't matter, it's just easiest to identify that way

>>58911291
Apple only did that to avoid having Microsoft sue their asses off for those bullshit commercials.

>>58911297
>bullshit commercials
Those were great, I'm still upset they don't run them anymore. The claymation holiday ad was the best.

>>58911309
If they had said what they want to say and used "Microsoft" or "Windows" instead of "Peecee", it would have been slander.

>>58911326
>stating facts is slander
ok

>>58910990
>Costs less
Keeeeeek

>>58911345
You're one of those alternative facts people, aren't you?

>>58909790
Mac IS a PC. Mac OS is better than Windows though. Both worse than Plan 9.

>>58911297
That makes sense but it still means they don't self identify as "pc" so going into rants online like so many people do that "macs are still pcs!" is pointless

>>58911357
I'm watching a compilation of ads right now, have yet to hear something that's not true
>OS X's got more and better built in software
>Macs have Magsafe
>Macs can now run Windows, why buy a Windows PC?
>OS X doesn't come with bloatware
>OS X has Office

>>58911375
I don't give a shit what they "self identify" as, they are what they are. Just because a tranny wants to call themselves a woman doesn't mean their DNA bares it out, and my identifying as an Apache attack helicopter doesn't mean I can perform aerial strikes on enemy targets.

>>58911384
>OS X's got more and better built in software
Questionable

>Macs can now run Windows, why buy a Windows PC?
It's cheaper

>OS X doesn't come with bloatware
What was that again about having more built in software?

>OS X has Office
What? MS Office? What about having better built in software again?

>>58911905
>Questionable
Nope
>It's cheaper
And shittier
>What was that again about having more built in software?
It has actually usable software, We're talking about the bullshit manufacturers ship Windows PCs with. You know, all the stuff that's not part of a stock Windows install.
>What? MS Office? What about having better built in software again?
The point being that you don't need Microsoft Windows to use Microsoft Office.

>>58911921
>It has actually usable software
Like what?
Oh yes, the terminal. That's actually useable.

>We're talking about the bullshit manufacturers ship Windows PCs with.
No, we didn't at all.

>The point being that you don't need Microsoft Windows to use Microsoft Office.
The point is that even MacOs needs 3rd party office software, which goes directly against the claim that it comes with better builtin software.

>>58911984
>Like what?
iLife
>No, we didn't at all.
That's exactly what I was talking about.
>The point is that even MacOs needs 3rd party office software, which goes directly against the claim that it comes with better builtin software.
That's not even remotely the point. Never did they say Office is better, they said if you need it they've got it.

In the future, please at least try to contain your autism.

>>58912009
>That's exactly what I was talking about.
And why exactly would you compare buying a Mac and installing Windows on it yourself with buying a PC with preinstalled Windows + Vendor shit?
If you install Windows yourself on one you should be able to install it on the other just as well.

>Never did they say Office is better, they said if you need it they've got it.
Maybe they point it out since they know you'll need it.

>>58912103
>And why exactly would you compare buying a Mac and installing Windows on it yourself with buying a PC with preinstalled Windows + Vendor shit?
Because Apple's comparing a storebought Mac to a storebought PC, it's the whole fucking point of the commercials.
>Maybe they point it out since they know you'll need it.
Nope

>>58911984
macOS ships with a free (as in gratis) bundle of software that is up to par (with some features even being better than) MS Office.

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>>58909790
>tfw use windows vm inside an osx host at work

>>58909790
I kinda like macbooks but with windows installed.
I just hate the placement of the Command key and the shitty GPU's.

But I use a T560 as my daily driver when I travel and a $4000 desktop for games and VR at home.

OSX and Apple in general is miles beyond retarded for my part. Apple has/had 3 positive things. Great build quality on Macbooks, awesome navigation wheel on the old iPod and a great touchpad on the Macbooks, but thats about it.

I only use Linux on my RPi and a old T430 with Kali and some Hak5 gear for pentesting.

>>58911231
and you gotta be a high end hardcore gamer

itt dozens of underage faggots calling Mac's "PC's" like stupid fucking niggers

you're fucking wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

yes, they are personal computers, yes they are made out of the same shit (now), but you're a CUNT abusing semantics to be a CUNT if you call a Mac a PC, cunt

>>58912398
The Command key's probably my favourite part about OS X. Using your thumb for the main key for keybindings is amazing, fuck Control

>>58909790
null question, a Mac is a PC
i assume you want us to rip eachother's eyes out over which is better between Windows and OSX, i shall decline this bait

>>58912471
top kek, theyre both pretty good, i use windows cos it's subjectively better for what i do as a comp sys engineer, but OSX is very shiny, and when its running on apple hardware and not my janky hackinstosh, it's a pretty nice experience, once you look past the serious processing deficiencies and immoral ecosystem and self righteousness.

>>58909790
Windows10-powered PC, obviously.

>>58909790
stop posting these bait threads
fucking kill yourself

>>58910955
>>58911211
>>58911362
>>58912471

PC is everything but a Mac, you don't get to rewrite terminology to suit your faggot agenda. Before you were born it was PC (IBM) and Mac. They both use the same hardware now but the NOMENCLATURE remains.

If I were a moderator I would permaban every one of you fucking idiots for saying that Macs are PC's

stupid fucking Minecraft babies on a technology forum calling Mac's PC's

fuck you

>>58912527
haha the whiteknight is strong. nah fuck you senpai more than enough people have realised that 2 things can merge terminology if they become the same fucking thing. maybe your argument would be valid back in the day but if ur gonna get shiity over semantics im just gonna pour petrol on the fire you dumb cunt

>>58912546
you're still wrong, everybody in the industry knows what the terms mean.

I really don't care what brand of PC my emacs is running on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>58912597
>eMACs

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Macs are better. PC's are for boring squares, Macs are for creative people like myself

>>58912581
funny that, what's your occupation may i ask ? As a computer systems engineer for an AV rental and production company, i work with a lot of industry figures every day. nobody is pedantic enough to worry about the difference between a mac laptop and a PC laptop, cos we all know its the same thing, its an x86 machine that can run x86 OS's. So, are you also from the industry, or are you from a basement ?

>normal person
Windows
>homosexual hipster numale """"""Artist"""""
Mac

>>58912625
Let me rephrase that: everyone in the industry who isn't a fucking idiot

smart people install windows on a mac PC, dat glorious hardware, plus dat glorious software.

ooooooohhhhhhhh yh

>>58912607
Apple's eMac had me confused reading forums and stuff.

>>58912651
ok basement, good to know.

Still haven't told me what your job is, you know it's kinda critical to anyone caring about your opinions here right ? you can't just pull the "everyone in the industry knows that" card on someone when you don't agree, when you are clearly not in that field of employment, or more likely, any field of employment.

>>58912674
call your Apple store and ask them if they sell PC's or Macs

>>58909790
I choose the antidote GNU/Linux

>>58912674
haha shrekt into next dimension famalam

>>58912686
wait are you surprised that a company would try to differentiate it's product from others by giving it a different name ? wow that's never been done before. you complete utter retard.

>>58912686
man you have gone full fanboy haven't you.
logic just doesn't apply at this point right ?

>>58912709
I'm not a retard for calling things by the correct names. Calling a Mac a PC is incorrect and has been since before you were alive. They didn't "try" to differentiate their product from others by giving it a different name, they "did" differentiate their product from others by giving it a different name. That name is "mac".

Mac = a mac

PC = a PC

don't call Macs PC's. Nobody else does that. You can't change the language to suit your faggoty, contrarian "gotcha" agenda.

I am aware that they switched to the same architecture. They did that 3 years before the famous "I'm a Mac/I'm a PC" ads.

Give it up, you're wrong. Nobody calls Mac's PC's unless they are being a cunt

>>58909790
I use Mint for everyday shit (because comfy and just werks), but for some shit Windows is way more convenient, so I use it (stuff like rooting phones, compatibility with legacy hardware, etc)

If I'd happen to encounter something for which OS X seems to be the best option, I'll use it too.

But to answer your question:
If I had to decide between only these two, definitely Windows, for a shitload of reasons.

>>58912752
nah as other's have pointed out, you are beyond logic from here on, so i don't feel bad just a bit of pity for you, defending what is essentially semantics. PC stands for personal computer, you just believe it means more than that.
I don't suffer fools gladly, so i'll be going now, i have to go to work and deploy a bunch of PC's, from memory its 25 dells and 15 or so apples :)

>>58912770
yeah man mint is badass, its my preferred laptop OS, all my serious stuff is done in windows on my rig, but mint is perfect for laptop use

>>58912791

yeah, semantics like I said in my first statement. Mr. Computer Pro who refuses to acknowledge the fact that PC means windows computer and Mac means mac. Don't forget your nametag

>>58910931
xD you stupid cunt xDxDxD

>>58912811
was lerking while this was funny, i think he got u dude, there is a difference between semantics and nomenclature. jus sayin bro

Dual booting windows/hackintosh. Windows for vidya, OS X for being productive

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>>58912752
youre a gay faggot
btw im not calling you a happy bundle of sticks, which i would be if i followed your retarded logic of semantics and complete lack of understanding of etymology

have a nice pic to remind you of how retarded you are, because i know words arent your strong suit

>>58912527
Apple was making Personal Computers before IBM started making Personal Computers therefore Apple is the original PC maker.

>>58912858
>>58912937
lol seems we werent the only ones lurking

>>58912651
you are a retard - based off how you talk about technology it is clear you do not work in our industry. I am a sys admin for a large ISP, i talk to hundreds of technologists everyday( I think this means I am well exposed to the industry) and i can tell you that none of them think PC and Apple is in anyway different. A "PC" stands for "personal computer" - which is defined as a computer designed for use by one person at a time. The fact that one may run OSX,WINDOWS or LINUX is irrelevant - also MAC is a sub-model category of apple computers, so in your un-educated statement your are comparing 1 set of apple PCs against everything else and leaving out every other Apple computer.

>>58912968
this is a shame, the original guy who was trying to explain this to him has left and probably thinks he didnt get through to this moron, we shall avenge

>>58912937
Apple didn't make one called Apple PC.

"PC" was originally short for "IBM Personal Computer"

And then it became associated with Windows, and now all us prescriptionist assclowns are arguing about it.

>>58913000
its the b8 to outb8 all b8s

>>58913000
Also, for the longest time, Macs actually were different hardware and not IBM PC clones.

>>58913031
yes, we have established that, we are now trying to explain people are simply being pedantic morons if they expend this much energy trying to differentiate the two, when literally every other personal computer in the world regardless of OS is called a PC

Are any ARM computers called PCs yet?

>>58913000
We are not saying that apple made something called "apple pc" we are saying that any computer designed for use by one person at a time is defined as a Personal Computer ie "PC"

>>58913079
is ARM in the PC environment yet ? like for real ? or is it just in phones and stuff.

i guess if there was a choice of ARM cpu for x86 typew stuff then yeah it would be an ARM PC

the apple tards argument is flawed, its like saying i have a green piece of paper - most paper is white- so i wont call my green piece "paper"

>>58913124
i knew there was a good analogy for it, was just too stoned to think of it

>>58913140
thanks, but they will just come up with some other retarded argument why MAC isnt PC

>>58913103
There are ARM servers now, and ARM netbooks used to be a thing. It's making a resurgence with Chromebooks but other than that, not really.

>>58913124
to be fair though, most exclusive apple users are lay-people and steve jobs was brainwashing them for years that the machines were somehow different and special. It's left a legacy of people still thinking that macs are powered by magic

>>58913167
true, most still think that apple invented the computer and the mouse :P and the phone, tablet, and technology

>>58912752
>Nobody calls Mac's PC's unless they are being a cunt
>t.butthurt mactoddler

>>58913191
so at work if i need to prep a job with a bunch of laptops on it, ill think to myself "ok so this many latitude 6540's, this many hippo servers, this many macbooks, this many digital signage bricks....." in my head they are all fucking PC's and everyone else i work with agrees, i like anons green paper analogy too.

Even a sysadmin I work with isn't aware Apple's computers are PCs and can run Windows. So they always end up getting heavy noisy gamer shit for the company owners, instead of something light like they asked, because they *feel* it needs to have an i7 and shit.

>>58913291
thats more based on apple hardware being sht compared to custom built computers in terms of price vs performance- apple mac is like 2000 dollarrs but for that 2000 dollars one could build a super overkill computer that will run everything. Most people in technology that know anything stay away from apple which explains why he did know

>>58913338
"why he didnt know" sorry miss-typed

been using hackintosh for the past 5 years.

$100 for optiplex 780 with gt 610 and i'm shitposting on el capitan.

fuck you.

>>58912460
>love the thumb CMD key

Are you an ailien or are your hands fucked up?
Using the pinky on CTRL and still have the thumb for space or ALT at the same time is much more intuitive.

>>58913488
Neither. My thumb rests right next to Command when my hands are on the keyboard, it's much easier to move it a centimeter to the left than to move my pinky all the way from A to Control.

Apple hasn't released a good laptop since the MBPr first got released.

Their most recent MBP is an overpriced Nintendo DS.

>>58914515
t. poorfag who can't afford to consume conspicuously

>>58911351
A 5k monitor at 27" for a windows PC costs the same as the 5k imac, essentially you're getting the computer for free.

THe new macbooks are way overpriced though, noone will disagree with you there.

OS X blows Windows out of the water in terms of ease of use and intuitive-ness. Plus it has a UNIX-like structure so you can do all kinds of good shit with it if you want to rice/be a power user
Just because "it just werks" is a meme doesn't make it not true

Fuck actually paying for Apple hardware though; I'm a hackintosh man for life

>one can play video games
>the other costs twice as much for the same hardware

>>58914605
How do I get started ricing macOS? Is it hard to get a window manager running? Will my macOS apps work under the window manager or will I be stuck with X applications?

>>58914684
Install Alfred 3 (the powerpack is awesome but maybe not worth 20 bucks)
Install Geektool

I don't know anything about window managers, but you can easily create virtual desktops and pin applications to them. The thumb button on my mouse reveals all open windows and I can switch back and forth easily

Macs are PC, retard

>>58912640
>normal person
you mean tech-illiterate, right?

>>58909790
Mac for laptops
windows for gaming
linux for programming

>>58909790

You have to use Windows.
Mac OS is a self inflicted pain.

>>58914565
The iPhones, dongles, headphones, and basically everything Apple do is overpriced.

I love my iMac.

>>58916164
>Macs are personal computer
>calling others retards

Macs are PCs.

Assuming you mean macOS(X) vs. Windows, definitely macOS, as its at least based on a good kernel, and has superior UX.

Windows is the worst operating system of all time.

The choice is simple:

GNU/Linux

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>>58921299
>he doesn't use freeBSD

>>58914605
>in terms of ease of use and intuitive-ness

>can't copy-paste a folder without explicitly going one level higher
>hides file system from user by default
>GUI is split into myriads of non-optimized apps that die under stress
>App search is vital yet horrendously slow
>Language switching is a fucking app
>Applications on Dock won't give a shit if you're busy with something or even watching a movie - they HAVE to tell you something was updated by jumping non-stop
>"muh trackpad gestures" are a fucking app
>the default way of installing pretty much anything is going to the app store - because it's not like Apple shoved ads down their consumers' throats long before Microsoft implemented a freely disableable version of that.
>The system allows the degeneracy of GUI-level stuttering and freezes under stress.

Yeah, intuitive interface.
You getting used to it and having problem switching because of that doesn't mean the interface is "intuitive". It means you've got used to it.

Having Unix environment is definitely a perk, however, I see no reason in suffering through the shit OSX is instead of getting a Linux distro VM for Windows. Hell, I can't wait till Bash on Windows gets refined to the point it can be reliably used for work.

>>58921299
/thread

>>58912752
>"d-don't call anime cartoons!"

>>58911018
Never had one.

>>58909790
Windows is better desu.

>>58923004
Top kek

>solid state drive
>loads of ram
>linux
>virtualbox

>>58923037
It's not hard to surpass a dongle machine.

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Mac obviously.

PC's are for nerd virgins who don't get laid and spend 99% of their time maintaining their shitty grey box dell pc and calling pajeet customer support if they ever need it replaced.

>>58923107
Most people use Windows.

>>58923044
>one has close to zero requirements and runs perfectly on a VM but sucks as a desktop environment and struggles to support hardware.
>the other perfect support for any kind of hardware and is fully dedicated for desktop usage while having actual means of making use of available resources.
>"gee, I wonder which I should put on a VM"

Next thing they'll say will be "GPU passthrough".

>>58909790
OS X for daily use / work
Wangblows for gayms

>>58923160
Lol

>>58923069
OS X isn't hardware.

Linux once it supports the games I like

>>58923214
Are you still using an iMac?

>>58923242
What do you mean still using? And yes.

>>58923248
Lol

>>58923281
What?

PC DOES NOT IMPLY WINTENDO
OP, PLEASE DIE

>>58923471
it does though

>>58923471
Failing at basic person-to-person communication by stubbornly holding to personally-invented reductionism-inspired definitions doesn't make you a Computer Scientist, you know. You got your causations and correlations crossed.

>>58913191
I've never owned an Apple product in my life, I am 34 years old and just like using the correct terms for things. Yes, apple computers are "Personal Computers" but PC is rooted in IBM compatible (back in the day apples weren't) computers that generally ran DOS or later Windows (over 99 percent of them) and the term has stuck around and evolved to mean Windows computer.

You don't buy diesel for a gas engine, and you don't buy PC software for a Mac and vice versa. PC means windows computer. It just does

also, I use Linux so don't call me a wincuck either

>>58924318
lincuck

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Why not both?

I'm about to put my GTX 970 in this baby.

I've got a 960gb Hyper X SSD coming that will be used for a Windows 8 partition for muh games and the other slots are all for video editing and music production.

>>58922176
>can't copy-paste a folder without explicitly going one level higher
drag-and-drop or cmd+C

>hides file system from user by default
It's literally the first icon on the dock

>GUI is split into myriads of non-optimized apps that die under stress
not true

>App search is vital yet horrendously slow
"no"

>Language switching is a fucking app
who the fuck told you that

>Applications on Dock won't give a shit if you're busy with something or even watching a movie - they HAVE to tell you something was updated by jumping non-stop
can be disabled if you aren't retarded

>"muh trackpad gestures" are a fucking app
also not true

>the default way of installing pretty much anything is going to the app store - because it's not like Apple shoved ads down their consumers' throats long before Microsoft implemented a freely disableable version of that.
I've been using macOS for years and I've used the app store maybe 10 times minus regular updates

>The system allows the degeneracy of GUI-level stuttering and freezes under stress.
also not true

I can smell your autism from here.

>>58922176

>Language switching is a fucking app

I stopped reading there. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

>>58923123
>Most people use Windows.
Most people also love McDonalds and Rap.

Think about that for a second.

>>58909790
arch

>>58924860
You're dumb

>>58924783
>not true
>"no"
>who the fuck told you that
>also not true
>I've been using macOS for years
>also not true

How does it feel to be "using macOS for years" and still have no idea how it works?
Why tech-illiterate people keep coming to /g/ I wonder.

Oi, where is my tux?

>>58925049
I didn't know it was possible for someone to be this retarded.

All native apps are 100% optimized and none have ever died under stress for me.

App search is quick as hell, I use it all the time and I've had no issues with it at all, so "no" it's not "horrendously slow."

A "language switching app" does not exist, so either you made that up or you're so braindead you believed the first person who told you that.

The trackpad gestures also aren't a fucking app. The Launchpad dock shortcut is just that, a shortcut. Not an app. And apparently I'm the one who's tech-illiterate...

your autism is showing again

and maybe mine is too but fuck dude get it together

>>58914605
When it comes to intuitiveness, the original MacOS and Windows 95 can't be beaten. Sure, they were simple, but easy to use.

Both modern OS X and Windows have lost part of this, with Windows being the worst offender (starting from Vista and getting a lot worse from 8)

>>58922176
>can't copy-paste a folder without explicitly going one level higher
But that's just plain wrong.
>hides file system from user by default
Dotfiles should be hidden.
>GUI is split into myriads of non-optimized apps that die under stress
No.
>App search is vital yet horrendously slow
What the fuck are you on about? Spotlight is the best.
>Language switching is a fucking app
Language switching is handled by System Preferences.
>Applications on Dock won't give a shit if you're busy with something or even watching a movie - they HAVE to tell you something was updated by jumping non-stop
So disable it.
>"muh trackpad gestures" are a fucking app
I'll give you that one, BetterTouchTool shouldn't be necessary.
>the default way of installing pretty much anything is going to the app store - because it's not like Apple shoved ads down their consumers' throats long before Microsoft implemented a freely disableable version of that.
So what? You're still free to install applications from elsewhere.
>The system allows the degeneracy of GUI-level stuttering and freezes under stress
Nope.

>>58925129
>100% optimized
kek

Darling, if you had never put your system into a real stress, you won't know how will it perform under it. You might also face no problem with language switching if you're only using one language.
When you're using some fancy shit like Japanese or Chinese input method, your OS won't even bother to hide the actual processes responsible for them.

Launch your mac in safe mode and you'll see how much of a "not app" gestures are.

And by "under stress" I mean real stress. For example, in my particular case - I have to run a Rails server paired with Cassandra through a VM on my mac. This, a bit of "intuitive interface" shit, and a few browsers open (you need them, as it's web development) is plenty to clog up almost all the memory available for the machine.
You know how macs optimize their shit while running low on RAM? They start killing background processes they deem not used.

Wich results in 5-15 seconds delay (to restart the killed process) for elementary actions like language switching, search launching, actual searching and so on. When memory usage hits last 90~95% delays can last for up to a fucking minute.

I'm not saying something I've heard or read over The Internet. I'm only listing the shit I've personally encountered due to having to work on a mac for last five months.