Linux is a second class Unix.

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>>58907013
>Apple

oh look he's back

it's not libre.
it might be UNIX, but it's not libre.

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>>58907037
Kid even has a fake polo shirt on

>>58907481
>it ain't even ralph tho

its universally accepted that macOS is the most sophisticated and all around best OS/environment currently.

the issue people have with it is it runs on crappy over priced hardware. yes, we already know macOS better than linux in every way imaginable, but its too limited.

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>>58907013
> OpenAI
> Tensorflow
What the fuck are these?

> WebKit
It's run by Google, on everything. Who even develops this on their work-build?

> all IDEs
What the fuck would anyone need an IDE for? Macros or something?

> Python
How would an interpreted language have worse support on a different OS? You mean libraries aren't there or something?

> There is no fucking point in using Linux outside of the server room, and devs know this.
You mean web devs? OK, but they're mostly like, graphics designers and stuff. So I think they use macs or whatever.

Honestly you should use the terminal more. OSX has that now. You can get one on Windows as well now apparently. Have fun learning.

don't bite

>>58907013
So... Linux never wants to be anything remotely similar to MacOS? Because how we feel in the BSDs about Linux.

Also, you're running on a BSD when using MacOS, it's a hybrid between a mach and FreeBSD, with daily replacements of the mach kernel towards FreeBSD and continuous contributions back into FreeBSD.

you do realize that linux has been around for over 25 years while behemoth unix vendors have repeatedly bit the dust

also remember apple dropped the "computer" association a while ago

they're a consumer entertainment company. even with steve jobs it was about "connecting" your digital accessories.

it's ain't Apple Computer anymore, it's just Apple. nothing wrong with that, but you're going to quickly hit a ceiling when you want to utilize their products in ways they won't allow you to.

>>58907013
someone post the indian guy starting osx threads.

>>58907013
>There is no fucking point in using Linux outside of the server room, and devs know this.
Aside from wanting to use a non-apple computer...

Which is a real reason now that apple decided to ruin their keyboards.

>>58907716
...please please please be bait...

>>58907734
>with daily replacements of the mach kernel towards FreeBSD
You mean darwin kernel is slowly converging with the BSD kernel?

>>58907013

>Windows split into different versions to hide the fact that it still dominates

>9to5mac.com

I use all three platforms and this article is shit tier bait.

>There is no fucking point in using Linux outside of the server room, and devs know this.

Nah. Package managers on OS X suck. I would only use a Mac for development if I was forced to.

>>58908154
eh, homebrew is OK. It mostly needs a recursive uninstall.

>>58907013
Too bad Apple doesn't really support MacOs anymore. Last year basically every developer at my company switched to windows because it was clear that Apple was not going to be in the personal computer business for much longer.

>Linux is to *BSD as macOS is to Linux.
BSD is better than GNU/Linux, and GNU/Linux is better than Mac OS X, for Unix capabilities.

That survey is flawed, since it allows developers of closed-source software to answer, and closed-source has never really mattered in the real world.

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>>58908241

>>58907400
Thank God.

Free as in freedom shit is always awful.

>>58908595
>Free as in freedom shit is always awful.
It's rude to lie. There's a reason why companies always want to use BSD or MIT-licenced software: because it's better than what they already have.
Have you used TLS or ssh lately? Those are probably open-source on your system.

>>58908618
he just used exclusion to avoid any complex thought. convenient for him but not worth dealing with.

>>58907013
>Linux is to *BSD as macOS is to Linux.
This means that either Linux is better than BSD, or that Linux is better than macOS. Either way, it means Linux is better than a significant fraction of "REEL EUNUCHS" operating systems.

i'd really advise not thinking or arguing with abstract analogies

>>58907013
>Any non-server Unix project will always have better support for macOS than Linux
Especially any app that requires OpenGL 4.5 support. Everyone knows that Apple's OpenGL 4.1+ support is second to none.

>>58909235
OpenGL is something your video card does, idiot.

>>58909239
>I have no idea how OpenGL works

>>58909244
Are you talking about yourself? Tell me about what is involved in OpenGL other than drivers.

UNIX is a meaningless marketing bullshit word

The only specification that matters is POSIX

>>58909280
SUS absorbed POSIX, but either way, Unix is more important than UNIX.

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>>58907013
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>58909268
Apple somehow controls what OpenGL features are allowed onto their system. they have documentation on what features are available. I would assume OSX requires signed drivers, so Nvidia and AMD can't just add whatever features they want.

The statement that
>OpenGL is something your video card does
is pretty retarded though. It's something the driver layer does, not the video card.

>>58907901
>not using jails

>>58907400
'libre'

speak english anon

>>58907716
>What the fuck are these?

confirmed underageb&

>>58907901
yeah, i have a question.

why do you think it's right to compare osx to a prison? give one good reason, and i'll see if i can provide contrary evidence.

most of you critics are former pc users, who turned to linux and think you know it all

>>58909872
conforming to communist and socialist ideologies, and suffering from the corresponding drop in quality when compared to commercial goods

>>58911270
I see, that's why scientists use Linux instead of Windows. I understand.

>>58911270
Apple and Microsoft are like Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany

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>>58907901
>prison
more like gated community

>>58907013
>stackoverflow
>swift shills
>rust faggots

At least post github data or something. Your bs don't proof anything.

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>>58908618
>a license makes your software better

>>58911299
and i assume you think either of those places were particularly bad places to live for the citizens of those countries?

>>58909268
Lubraries, you retard. Learn before you shitpost

>>58911268
Itunes deletes your pirated music and is recovered after update if you remove it

>>58907013
>IDE
ew java

>>58907013
>Linux is a second class Unix
Thanks for letting us know that you're retarded, OP.

>>58907013
CUDA on modern video cards > Linux.

>>58911958
Untrue, my iTunes music library is 99.99% pirated, and all the mp3 files are still on my ssd. Never was gone.

>>58907013
hopefully all of the world's supercomputers disagree.

>>58907013
hurrrr

>>58907826
@convergence, yep.

>>58907013
GNU's Not Unix
Literally in the name

>>58908241
Honestly that's the first thing that came to my mind when I read the OP, and thought it's gonna be BSD shilling thread.

Here's the stupid shit that I like on macOS that I cannot at least achieve properly on loonix

-I have decent programs for graphic design. I like Affinity Designer and there's no linux version
-I have iTunes which everyone despises, but I like how it handles libraries and tagging, and I don't give two shits about FLAC support because most of my library isn't that, and it never deleted my files because I know how to enter the settings panel and click on things
-I like how automatizing tasks is pretty fucking easy with this thing
-Pages is pretty neat for basic documents, it's lacking on features but the little it does, it does pretty fucking well. LibreOffice might have way more features but it's a pain to work with in comparison.
-The magic trackpad was the best fucking investment I could have done. I wish there was a good mouse with gestures like that, but I heard the magic mouse is trash. On linux there's some intriguing input lag.
-More of a google person than an apple person, yet most of what I need it for just werks on macOS, which is the mail client (which doesn't fuck with notifications), calendar and specially Google Drive which, on linux is only really usable with an actual paid unofficial program (so much for "you have to pay for basic functionality on macOS")
-Finder has columns, it's keyboard shortcut heavy, has spring loading and a lot of neat shit like tagging and saving selected files to a folder, fuck the only real complaint is merging files behavior
-Preview files without delay with the space bar, be it videos, pictures or music, that's pretty neat too for when you don't want to switch views on the file picker
-Good looks by default
-As opposite to the whole "if you can't find a feature here, make it yourself" in here it's more like "if you can't find a feature here, it exists, just gotta pay for it or pirate". And I'm a lazy bum.

Just one minor issue: Linux is getting better game support.

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>>58907013

To add to this >>58913251

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>>58913333
Bonus round for quads

>>58907785
What you don't seem to realize, because you're either too dumb or too young or both, is that FreeBSD and NetBSD are directly built on top of BSD 4.3 Reno (or forks thereof, BSD 4.3 Reno is their most-recent common ancestor) which in turn is based on Research UNIX V5. So while Linux is 25 years old, FreeBSD can trace its code all the way back to the first version of UNIX written in PDP-7 Assembly in as it was commited on 30 Jun 1970: https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Research-PDP7-Snapshot-Development/cp.s

Meanwhile, Linux doesn't even have source revision history going back to its inception, because Linus didn't believe in source revision.

Also, if you take Linus out to a beer sometime, you might get him to admit that if he had heard of FreeBSD at the time he was working on MINIX, he might've never started Linux (something he's admitted to before, but Linux zealots will vehimently deny this because they can't find proof of it since it was on USENET and wasn't ever archived).

>>58913323
Tangentially related to this, the only useful thing that version numbers provide is a way to distinguish between ABI/KBI changes - which, incidentally, is how FreeBSD uses them.

>>58913368
That's a bit of a bait, because the X spec was meant to be an improvement on W (see, X comes after W - brilliant naming, that) which dates back to a time when terminals were nothing more than a display and a keyboard connected to a mainframe - so the X server would run on the mainframe, whereas the clients would simply connect to the mainframe and display all the computation done there.

>>58913251
GNU/Linux*

>>58913513
kys underage

>>58913580
Linux isn't a complete operating system: the Linux developers are not as intelligent as the BSD developers.

>>58914630
Linus is actually a pretty cool dude. I've had a few beers with him over the years. The best thing about him is that he's both 1) willing to be wrong and 2) willing to call you a fucking idiot if you're wrong.

>>58914820
Yeah, I was just shitposting. But I really do call it GNU/Linux when necessary, and it's always necessary to do so when comparing it to operating systems rather than kernels.
https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/index.html
They made two releases last year. That's a lot more than usual.

BSD was pretty cool back in the 90's. Probably would have been good again if Apple gave anything back to the community they built their platform on.

>>58914886
It's pretty cool now. I use it for my desktop and for programming, and also for my webserver.

>>58913494
>bsd is older
>linus said he wouldn't have made linux if he knew about bsd

yes i know all this. my point was to OP saying linux was "second class". your bsd points do not negate the fact that there have been substantial unix vendors that have bit the dust. bsd and linux are still going strong.

>>58915596
RIP DEC

>>58915596
Linus knew about bsd, but due the lawsuit it wasn't available. Linux fits in the "move fast break things" attitude, so no doubt silicumm valley like it.

>>58907013
>9to5mac link
at least try to make it a bit less obvious next time

>not using mac as everyday os
>not using dedicated windows pc for heavy gaymin

>>58908618
no, it's because it's free.

>>58915596
The thing is, The BSDs _are_ UNIX in everything but certification (OSX proves this, as OSX is UNIX certified, and based on BSD). It's only UNIX-like, because of the fact that for a long time they had no legal entitiy which could file for UNIX certification and deal with lawyers. Linux is also a UNIX-like, but primarily because it has follows POSIX compatability, and even Linux can get a UNIX certification (Huaweis EulerOS recently managed it) but with people like Lennart Poettering who're out to destroy that, it might not remain a UNIX-like for much longer.

>>58915754
He knew about BSD when it wasn't free, the important distinction is that he might've worked on FreeBSD if he'd known about that (which, of course he couldn't, because BSD was tied up in legalities).

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>Go to Detroit airport
>iPads, Macbook Pros, iPhones everywhere
>Have yet to see a single Android that wasn't owned by airport staff
/g/ btfo

>>58916210
ls -a

>>58911470
If you were an "undesirable", then yes.

>>58911947
>Lubraries
What?

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>>58916079
>>58916168
>can't even follow basic posix

http://pod.tst.eu/http://cvs.schmorp.de/libev/ev.pod#OS_X_AND_DARWIN_BUGS
how can anyone take this os seriously

>>58916210
>Oh no, it's too hard to press cmd+shift+.

>>58916210
Literally all this does is add a service that toggles hidden files. You could easily make this yourself.

>>58915754
>Linus knew about bsd, but due the lawsuit it wasn't available.

no shit. stop trying to one-up everyone on your minutiae knowledge

>>58916239
NTFS IS case sensitive, it's just that Win32 doesn't (because backwards compatibility)

>>58916292
I was just using OSX to illustrate that the BSDs could in theory get UNIX certified, because if OSX can manage it, the BSDs sure as fuck can.
I run a mix of FreeBSD and NetBSD depending on the hardware in question, and have done so since around 2001.

>>58916758
Stop being envious of people knowing stuff, just because you're too young or dumb or both to know, and therefore have to search for stuff and end up with your hands full of shit because you can't figure out that <search engine> cannot and does not have the answers you want.

>>58916827
yeah i have to search for stuff to defend my anonymous reputation

>>58911958
Who the fuck uses iTunes?

>>58909239
Except it's not. OpenGL is implemented by your fucking video driver, not the card itself.

>>58911958
How to not have your files deleted by iTunes:

Step 1: Don't be retarded
Step 2: Don't be retarded
Step 3: Open the settings panel
Step 4: Configure it so it doesn't delete your files

Chances are you don't use apple services, so why would you have everything enabled

>>58907013
>not unix
>supposed to be an insult to gnu is not unix/linux

My primary reason for not using OSX is the poor hardware you have to use to run it.
openAI, tenserflow, webkit, ide's, python, music and video editing software is not unix projects.
With the exception of music and video editing software, everything works on linux as well.

So unless you need those tools, I don't see why you would want to use OSX over a freedom respecting OS.

As I see it, people should be free to give up certain freedoms, like give up the freedom to roam the streets in the middle of the day to have a job, or constrict your economy by taking a loan.
But when the OS you use takes away freedom, spies on you and is restrictive in the way you use and work on the system, it shouldn't be the default.

Now I see why you would want to do all the things from the same OS, as do I.
But if there should only be a singles OS, I don't want it to be something that doesn't act in the best interest of the people who use it.

>>58907013
>not fully POSIX compliant
Fuck right off, Pajeet.

>>58911299
So you're saying they're objectively superior to freetard commie shit?
That really made me think!

>>58907716
>What the fuck are these?
Linux confirmed for not doing real work. Enjoy ricing your desktop for the 7th time this month.

>>58907716
>Emacs
Jesus Christ I thought children weren't allowed on 4chan.

>>58911958
Who would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

>>58909268
>I don't know what the GL in OpenGL stands for
Can you imagine being this self-absorbed?

>>58918324
If Commie shit is inferior, why are AK-47's and derivatives so much more popular that the StG-44 and derivatives?

>>58907013
I use both Linux (desktop) and macOS (laptop) (as well as FreeBSD on my file server).

Unix is nothing but a shitty trademark, anon. It's virtually meaningless.

Also, as someone who actually use Tensorflow and Python quite active, they are definitively better supported on Linux.

>>58920403
>why are AK-47's and derivatives so much more popular
Because they are numerous and readily available.

>>58920421
linux is a kernel
mac is a device

learn2tech

I want to start learning how to program on macOS. Where should I start?

>>58907013
>Better support for (((python)))

>>58920653
I said macOS anon.

>>58907013
>https://9to5mac.com/2016/03/18/os-x-versus-linux-developers/
Thanks, time to squat on a normalfag forum and shit on mactards, OP

You brought this upon your safe heaven

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am i the only one whose brain categorically refuses to compute the meaning behind a statement like
>A is to B as C is to D

>>58907716
:q
:q!
:qa!

>>58920735
it's just that this particular statements sounds fucking stupid.

>>58920683
it's OS X

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>>58921096
Not anymore :^)

>>58917432
>My primary reason for not using OSX is the poor hardware you have to use to run it.

hackintosh exists.

just use an intel/nvidia/gigabyte mb then you can jack the specs as high as you want.

>>58908154
>>58908206
i wonder how good pkgsrc on OSX is

>>58908206
>>58908154
>>58921147
Use macports you autists

>2014+3
>not using a ports-based package manager on your BSD-like facebook machine

>>58921220
but that's literally what pkgsrc is you dumb retard

portable ports

>>58907013
But macOS is already a *BSD. no need for verbosity.

>>58917432
>poor hardware
oh boy, you have been cucked by windows for so long you think you need overkill hardware for great performance

protip: your OS sucks, not your hardware

>>58921106
>he fell for the 16 GiB RAM meme

>>58922307
>he fell for the GiB acronym meme

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>>58922449
Permanent reminder

>>58907013
I'd be fine with Macs if they weren't so damn expensive, I just wish they were easier to modify

>>58920403
>analogies

>>58922585
The iMacs while expensive are good bang for buck. 5k display from dell costs 3000 CAD. The imac 5k base model costs 2400 CAD (with tax included). Youre essentially getting the computer for free.

>>58916230
Detroit is a terrible city.