Who /kuru toga/ here ?

They're designed for writing kanji with tons of tiny strokes.
Latin scripts are long sweeping characters, you're gonna hate it unless you know how to write jap.

>>58904740
I don't plan on taking notes with it just math and diagrams

>>58904740
huh, never thought of that
>>58904621
I used to have one, it does what it's advertised to do

>>58904621
huh surprisingly very simple technology. It some seesaw pressure piston

I guess it's cool, would like if gotten for free. But what use compels you to buy one? Is it really just some math diagrams hmm

>>58904740
>They're designed for writing kanji with tons of tiny strokes.

It's a fucking pencil, it's designed for writing anything.

>>58905628
That's like saying you can write with a carpenter's pencil on college ruled paper. Sure you can but it's gonna look like shit

>>58905609
>But what use compels you to buy one? Is it really just some math diagrams hmm

desu just wanted to have a nice pen and pencil to be more motivated to study so that's the one I chose, I like the full metal look. Do you think i'm stupid wasting that money ? :^(

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>>58905942
i bought a $5 zebra from walmart, it came with two of them and I use it much more than my graphgear 1000 or my much more expensive rotring

if you don't like writing, no pencil will make you want to write more

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>>58904621
They're not all that great. Writing feels a bit strange.
If you write in cursive then >>58904740 applies. If you print your characters instead then it isn't any different from writing nip.

Personally my favorite pencil right now is a Zebra Delguard chambered in 0.3mm. Thin enough to not worry about wearing it flat on an angle and really hard to break the leads if you don't over extend due to the protection system.

>>58904621
got gifted one two semesters ago, used it whenever possible. I honestly think the rotating led isn't as effective with english, definitely better than the regular mechanical pencils, but good lord the led itself is fantastic

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>>58904621
I have several, and I love their feel, but since I write in cursive, the rotating lead isn't too useful to me, to be frank.
Pic related, my shitty cursive handwriting.

>>58906019
>Zebra
no thanks

>>58905942
No motivate yourself however you can

>>58906900
What exactly is wrong with Zebra?

>>58907066
garbage QC and cheaply built compared to other brands that carry the same pricetags

Even the high end models

>>58907096
They're only like $5. What sort of price difference are you expecting?

>>58904621
I have the exact model in the picture

works pretty much exactly like any other mechanical pencil I own.

>>58907210
Would you recommend it?
It's the one I ordered too

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as someone that composes classical music, the kuru toga is pretty much the only acceptable pencil to use

it also stays nice and pointy for day-to-day writing, because i don't write in cursive.

Recommendations for a pen?

ink must be water-insoluble, and not smear.

I like rollerballs, but a good ballpoint is more appropriate, and must be blue ink.

As long as it's under 50 bucks or so shouldnt be a problem.

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I've gone through many different mechanical penicls throughout the years. I've owned the kuru toga, the expensive kuru toga metal model, zebras, all kinds of meme shit

Pic related is still the best pencil I have ever used and it's only three fucking dollars. Don't fall for expensive memes like I did

>>58908127
My dad still has one of those from decades ago

Nah, graph gear

>>58904621
It's a wobbly piece of shit

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>>58907699
Uni-ball Jetstream retractable is the best ballpoint pen I've ever used.
The 0.7mm writes incredibly smooth.
The ink is waterproof and I've never had it smear.

They're not too expensive either. I believe a 3-pack is under $10.

pic related feat. my awful handwriting

>>58907177
they're shit at any pricepoint, from the 3USD mechanicals to the 15USD+ mullti features

They usually start failing at around three months if not less and that's assuming you're lucky enough to get one without some manufacturer defect that snaps the lead or messes up the internal feeding mechanism

>>58904621
Never had mine break on me, so it's good

>>58908426
Can't say I have ever had any such problems with any of the Zebras I have owned.

Anyway, I just picked up a Tombow Monograph, also in 0.3, and a set of Pilot Frixions in 0.7

I had the Kuru toga, except it was the alpha gel version. I would not recommend it because the head is wobbly due to the Kuru toga mechanism requires it to be able to bob up and down. Also, on the alpha gel version the grip is much thinner and not comfy like the regular alpha gel.

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>>58905687
Apply yourself, nigga

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Is this the new stationary thread?

How's my collection? Should I get a clutch holder or fountain pen next?
>>58904621
It's not a meme and actually works really great as long as you don't write much in cursive. Also, if you have the 2nd-gen pipe slide kuru toga you can mod it in to the body of the metal Roulette model.

>>58907699
What about the uni signo line? That or just get a fountain pen.

>>58907637
>as someone that composes classical music
You do that shit with a pencil? Ask me how I know you're a walking meme.

>>58905978
I've always loved those. The $5 Zebras and the Pentel Sharp .7mm are my favorite mechanical pencils, great value for almost no money.

>>58906019
I always print, that way even when I fuck up and am tired as fuck I can still make out what the hell I wrote, something impossible if I use cursive, Hell, legibility is the main reason I print, because lets be honest, if cursive was easier to read, everything would be cursive.

>>58905628
here let me do this, got out my x20 loup and flattend my .5mm lead so lets see how far I need to travel to get a flat surface at an angle

ok to go from flat head to 50% of the way flat with moderate pressure took 150mm of writeing, to go 100% of the way through, and keep in mind the more surface area the less pressure you need to apply for the same darkness too an additional 360mm, possibly 420mm

Now from what I observed, you would either need to be heavy handed, in which case you would not be using pencil as you would break them constantly, or you would be writing 30+ character words every single word for you to completely flatten the lead making it the rotation pointless. shit won't work as good for cursive, but it will still give you tangible benefits over non rotation.

>>58909827
dude, you walk around all god damn day, you get inspiration, you pull out your phone, and find the sheet note app, by the time you find it and its loaded... well... shit that inspiration is gone.

or you keep a small book with you you can quickly jot a tune down for later use.

>>58906019
my nigga
using the exact one pictured

>>58908127
BASED!
BASED!
THE IMMORTAL PENCIL!
GAZE UPON THE UNDYING TOOL!
These things last for fuckin ever.

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Reporting in

Is it worth buying premium lead refills?

>>58904740
You're wrong, I have one and it works just fine for normal writing.

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>>58904621
I've bought a rOtring Tikky 3 in 1. pretty happy with it picture related.

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who /rotring 800 0.5/ here?

also, reminder that the Pilot Juice in 0.38mm is the best ballpoint.

>>58911205
See my post about writing styles. If you write cursive then the engine doesn't have a chance to work properly, if you write print then it is just fine.

Anyone here fashion their own eraser refills instead of shelling out $11 for 4 4mmx5mm pieces of rubber? Any tips on doing it? I figure you could just take a piece of pipe with the correct internal diameter, sharpen the end, and just press it into a normal eraser, then poke the finished one out, but I've not tried it.

>>58911406
I just don't use the erasers in the mechanical pencils.

>>58911406
Buy a normal eraser. They're like, 20 cents.

>>58909716
I would get a fountain pen.

>>58911283
was ne Sauklaue

How do you git gud at handwriting?

2 years out of uni and my handwriting can barely be deciphered even by me, not to mention my hand hurts like fuck after writing 1 page.

>>58912399
Start by slowing down and paying more attention to forming letters nicely.
Then work on speed again.

Yes, in order from best to okay:
>Uni NanoDia
>Pentel Ain Stein
>Pilot Neox
Stick with those three

>>58911314
I tried the 800, is shit. The tip is way too wobbly and doesn't feel as durable as the 600.

Which lead manufacturer and sub brand would you recommend?
Pilot, Pentel, Uniball, Rotring?

>>58904740
>They're designed for writing kanji with tons of tiny strokes.
small sized printing takes advantage of the function close to the level that kanji would

My Kurutoga lasted about a year until the internal mechanism started breaking the lead all the time

>>58915197
Pentel ain stein.

>>58915482
I tried Ain HB once and it did not feel as smooth as other brands of HB

Was this just a false perception?

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>>58909827
>i can't transcribe without a computer
No him, but I have a moleskin music notebook that I carry around specifically to practice transcribing stuff.
pic related but not mine and it's currently out of production, so good luck finding another.

>>58915577
>it's currently out of production, so good luck finding another.
Nevermind, it's back.

>>58904740
The Kuru Toga retractable model requires 20 strokes to rotate the lead, unlike the previous models that required 40.
This makes it better for writing longer things.
>>58908357
This is my favorite ink too. 1.0 is too bold but .7 is great. Still have to find a decent body for the pen as I don't love the feeling of the rubber.

Is there any mech pencil or lead type that feels like pen writing or stylus on screen? I've come to loath the resistance of writing with pencil, mech pen is a little smoother but not enough. Is less mm tip the key?

>>58915773
Find a harder lead.

>>58915790
I really dont know where to start, is there an industry standard for the hardness of the lead/graphite refills?

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>>58915810
http://www.jetpens.com/blog/picking-the-perfect-pencil-hardness-grade/pt/475

It's the same scale they use for pencils in europe. it's convoluted as shit.
a #2 pencil is hb, I think.

>>58915889
Looks like the american grading is in the pic I posted.

does graphgear 1000 is still worth it?

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flair pens > all other pens

>not using H-2B lead
I've been using 2B in my mechanical pencil but it wears down kind of fast so I'm considering a lighter grade.
I love dark lead but this is the same reason I stopped using 4B lead.

>>58915889
Thanks senpai. Lead writing currently sometimes makes me feel almost like nail on chaulk board sort of feel at times. I'll look for harder lead and maybe switch from .7mm to .5mm

>>58916018
I ordered 4B ain stein for my kuru toga cause it said they're smoother and darker than classic HB leads

>>58916082
I've only used Pilot Neox but I'll buy several grades from several brands.
>>58916067
If you want smoother lead you should use a softer grade of lead, in the B range. Softer lead will wear down faster though.

>>58916067
Are you holding the pencil at an appropriate angle?
I've seen some lefties hold the pen perpendicular to the page which means your constantly scraping on stuff.

>>58916107
Oh, not harder then, alright.

>>58916117
I think so? I'm a righty, The scratchy feel I hate does get worse as it tip wears so maybe a kuru toga will help also. For reference I've just been using some basical walmart tier .7mm standard mech pen I think uni brand but nothing special.

>>58915943
Of course, it's essentially the best retractable mech pencil on the market.

>>58916279
Softer lead (B range) is darker and smoother, but it wears down faster.
Harder lead (H range) is lighter and less smooth, but it takes longer to wear down.
>>58916117
I'm a lefty and don't like the Kuru Toga because it constantly gives me a sharp point that I dig into the page because I'm left handed.
Pentel Sharp Q1005 is my favorite pencil.

>>58916344
jesus lefties are truly disabled
I feel for you, no sarcasm

>>58916853
Worst part is drawing a straight line from the left of the page to the right with a ballpoint pen. The paper digs into the nib.
That's why I have to draw lines from right to left.

>>58905978
love it, but constantly end up wiping it.

also the pen version broke in half for some reason, probably knocked about too much in my bag.

>>58906019
Who the hell writes in cursive anymore? Even people that know how have stopped.

I use Pentel T3s though.

>>58918955
A whole bunch of kids in my Japanese junior high write in cursive.

>tfw ended up buying 30+ usd of stationary stuffs i will probably barely use

damn you OP for this thread!

>>58904621
>not getting a rotring 600

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here are some of my pencils. not included are a pentel smash, tombow mono graph zero and rotring rapid pro.

>>58919046
>not getting a staedtler 925 25

>>58918995
You're one of us now...

>>58919232
Which is your favorite?
The knurling on the Tombow Mono is pretty aggressive imo.
I love my Smash but I don't know how to use all of the eraser.

>>58918995
So what is that... like 2 pencils?

you're small time

>>58919516
Or one Pilot Automac.
It's beautiful but really weighty.

>>58909696
Cool, now take notes with it you colossal faggot

>>58918955
>Who the hell writes quickly and fluently anymore?
Anon, learning cursive isn't that difficult. Your grapes don't need to be so sour.

>>58919426
i like them all desu but if i had to choose it'd be steadtler 925.

>>58919516
>>58919425
nah had a few already, just didn't expect to buy some more today.

>>58919633
They don't teach it in schools anymore.
Nor do they teach you how to reach a dial clock or give you the little worksheets that teach you how to make change in US currency.

It's an outmoded, outdated practice.

>>58919670
>I can't think for myself and learn skills that are useful for me and I need everyone to be as unhappy and unskilled as I am
>Also I suck on the teat of the education system and do things because they are popular
It's fine, anon. No, really. My grapes taste just fine, you can keep yours.

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>>58919426
>using your pencil's eraser
>not having dedicated eraser

>>58919633
I know cursive. It's just faster to used modified printing. Cursive looks fancier, but it has a lot of wasted movements.

>>58919811
Carrying a separate eraser around can be bulky.

>>58919811
I have one but for small mistakes I prefer the pencil's eraser.

>>58919811
>no pink pet

>>58920032
>no eberhard faber pink pearl

>>58920032
>>58920057
those pink erasers are flashbacks to elementary school

>>58920057
shit pink pearl that's what i meant
>pink pet
>mfw that's actually an eraser
>my mistype is also an actual eraser

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>>58920117
Probably a case of making a product that's similarly named to a popular brand.

>>58920460
dr shasta is that shit

>>58904621
This is mostly plastic isnt it?

>>58920913
The bottom half that is metal and the top half is plastic, kind of like the Pentel Smash.
I wish they would just make a light all-aluminum cased pencil.

>>58919811
>he makes mistakes

>>58920947
Maybe the staedtler 925 25 is what you need

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>>58904621
The kuru toga fucking sucks bud

I've hated every single once I've owned

I recommend Tombow pencils, the Tombow Monograph is a really good cheap mechanical pencil. You can get them for $5 with free shipping on ebay and maybe amazon.

>>58904740
lol horse shit, i love mine.

>>58921586
How does it "suck bad"?

So I went ahead and got 2H and 2B and already had HB lead. 2H felt smoother actually. Can barely tell the different in written words on paper, tried to apply similar pressure.

>>58921237
I have one in 2mm but I should get one for .5.
Build quality is really nice.

>>58909827
i don't know of many composers who go directly to sibelius or finale or dorico (lol jk) straight from their head; just about every composer i know first sketches out a manuscript before transferring it to sibelius or finale

it's just a lot more intuitive, faster, easier, to first get your ideas down onto paper; direct to software is cumbersome and often wastes even more time than mindless transcribing from paper to screen

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>>58921856
>How does it "suck bad"?
because of the lead rotation mechanism, the lead bobs up and down when being used which I found very annoying

it's not smooth to use due to this, it takes a little bit of effort in order to write because you have to slightly push down on the paper in order to engage the lead rotation mechanism

some people like that the lead spins but if you use a small enough lead size it's not really an issue. On nicer pencils lead breakage is virtually a non-issue so small lead sizes doesn't cause problems.

also I said sucks bud not sucks bad but now that I read it again both sound pretty autistic

>>58922095
Oh ok. Because suck bad would mean like holy fuck how is this even being sold anymore tier.

>>58922095
>it's not smooth to use due to this, it takes a little bit of effort in order to write because you have to slightly push down on the paper in order to engage the lead rotation mechanism
This isn't an issue for lefties.
But there is the problem of digging the sharp piece of lead into the paper after every turn, which is why I don't use one.

>Pencils

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>>58922177
>Oh ok. Because suck bad would mean like holy fuck how is this even being sold anymore tier.
not gonna lie but I kinda agree with that. I think the pencil is pretty polarizing, there's a lot of people who really love it, and there's also a lot of people like me who just really don't get the appeal.

>>58922334
I am a lefty.
In fact it's the opposite of what you say, the movement is best for right handers because lefties generally push the pencil along the paper when writing while righties drag - the mechanism is (obviously) designed for right handers. Pic related.

>>58922372
Well I only just picked it up, and I'm trying to get used to not death gripping my pencil. By the end of my computer science exams my hand cramp literally makes me desire to think of shorter ways to write code rather than necessarily the right way and its not good :/

One bad thing like you say is, if you want to just glide along and not push too much, I am not sure if I am engaging the rotation anyway.

Considering trying a rotring 600 with their lead which I hear is smooth so I dont need to push down to feel like its well written.

>>58919811
I got that eraser pen thing in your pic and it sucks I kinda regret it.

One brand eraser I havent seen as a kid works really well.. damn cannot remember. Its very soft and leaves a lot of eraser dust but fuck it'll erase and you wont tear your paper trying to erase.

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>>58919811
>monozero
god tier eraser anon, I can tell you are a very mature, intelligent individual. I want to shake your hand one day.

just buy a fountain pen you memelords

>>58922459
I dont think you wanna touch our hands m8.

I bought one, and unless you write a lot of kanji or you print everything you're not gonna get much use out of it. I mean it's a nice pencil otherwise, but the rotating head only comes into play when the lead leaves the page.

>>58919829
For extended periods of writing I switch to cursive because i write with my wrist and fingers otherwise

Had to learn to use my shoulder more after two three hour essay type exams in a row murdered my hand, and instead of trying to modify my writing style it turns out it's really easy to just learn a completely new one

>>58904621
Picked one up a few years back. Found out I was rotating my pencil between lifts. Still use it even though it is an extra part for a problem already solved.

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>>58904621
I have one. But while its a pretty good pencil something like a Pentel graphgear (1000 or 500, its a matter of weight distribution pref.) or pentel strike would be better.
Just higher quality pencils and lead break less than bic shit. The kura technology is pretty neat but not all that helpful if you write in cursive like I do.

>>58919829
>a lot of wasted movements.
Nigger you're trippin.

Cursive lets you simplify words a hella lot better than print.

>>58922482
>not having a fountain pen, mechanical pencils, and eraser autism

how to stop the bleed on my lamy safari? would an extra fine tip fix it? the new ink I got bleeds like crazy on all my paper.

or maybe i need new paper.

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>engineering (mechanical) classes
>They don't give a shit about what you use as long as you don't fuck up
>Accuracy is all that matters
>If you lack accuracy then fix it
>If your hand is shaky then you're fucked unless you get past it
Pencil heads are a meme as long as you know that once you make a dark mark it's set in stone and cannot be undone
That said, if you can't control an HB to look like 4H then you'll never get anywhere.

>>58922626
>>58922722
A printed capital G is a lot quicker than a cursive one, and like I said I will use modified printing, and connect some letters like you would in cursive when it would be faster, such as with a lower case "g" or "a"

>>58922812
My hand writing is pretty personal its basically print but I avoid lifting up the tip depending on the situation so its like cursive. Cant do this when i expect others to read my writing, or for math answers or anything like that.

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>>58922722
You're objectively wrong. Any benefit the continuity of lines cursive has is overshadowed by each letter's complexity and overall line length compared to print. fagit

>>58922757
Get better paper.

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>>58922838
I didn't realize there even was a "standardized" cursive.
Don't do autistic shit with your writing. I still call my shit cursive even if its just a modified script.

>>58922812
Using cursive isn't for efficiency in my case, it was just easier to learn it than change the writing style I'd cemented by writing that way for twenty years

>>58922878
This is significantly more difficult to read than normal script

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>>58922878
Yes, there is a standardized version. This is how you properly write a capital G in cursive.

>>58922900
Yea. My biggest problem is actually reading my own handwriting days after the fact but if Im writing essays I don't give a shit. Teachers know how to read extraordinarily bad handwriting.
The faster I write the less legible it becomes but thats the beauty of cursive. I will still write faster than someone using print if the challenge was to write a summary to some book asap. If I need to slow myself down for notes then I can.
>>58922963
That looks autistic.

>>58922977
>That look autistic.
Ding ding ding, you've finally realized the truth about cursive.

>>58922977
>>58922995
>autistic
You mean fucking sexy

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>>58919811

Ah, made a mistake, let me throw down my pencil and grab my eraser. Now let me pick up my pencil again.

Or I could try erasing with my left hand LIKE SOME KIND OF RETARD.

>>58922977
When the hell do you write anything by hand anymore. Most jobs and professors won't even accept papers unless they are typed.

>>58923019
Mostly computer science exams on paper.

>>58923003
It looks too much like a lowercase s to be useful.

>>58923019
Im a student. Professors and teacher sometimes assign shit that isn't 3 pages long.

>>58923019
Literally all day at work, with occasional breaks to type strings of numbers into a computer, the only writing I do on a computer is final presentation type stuff

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>>58923036
It looks nothing like a lowercase s in cursive

>>58923078
G, Q, and Z never cease to amuse me.

>>58923019
Language and math classes, and basically all quizzes/tests.

>>58923078
>>58923129
Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

I see now why schools abandoned it.

>>58923129
The lower case z is one that at least makes sense
>differentiated from similar letters
>uses the same strokes as other letters in its construction
>flows to the next letter well
Half the capital letters always seemed retarded and the only ones I try to get right consistently are D, G, H, I, K, S, and X

>>58923019
math classes.

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How'd I do, /g/?

>>58924649
But is it the hi-point or the tec-9 of pencils?

i like htose korean TUL pencils with the auto advancing lead

you don't realize how nice it is until you go back to a normal pencil.

occasionally lead gets jammed though.

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>>58924691
Dunno.

I only ever use these pencils. I use a lot of force when writing, so the little spring thingy helps. Keeps lead from constantly breaking

>>58924713
How is it compared to the Pentel Orenz?

>>58924713
>korean TUL

EWWWW
I am never gonna buy a TUL product again

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>>58918995
Ikr, I ordered for 70$ of various pens and notebooks for uni. What the fuck have I done? I'm not even that rich

>>58904621
It is worth it. Less breakage if you tend to use a lot of pressure while writing.

It's breddy gud.
As the first guy said, it's for writing Kanji, and it's great at that. Tip will always stay relatively sharp if you're just writing Kanji.

But he's wrong about the alphabet.
The kuru toga will be as shitty as any other mechanical pencil if you write in cursive, because you offer no opportunity to rotate the lead.
But if you write like a normal fuckin' person, the lead will rotate all the time and always maintain a certain degree of sharpness that will be superior to typical mechanical pencils, but inferior to freshly sharpened wood pencils.

The lead doesn't need to rotate that much to be sharp. That's because the lead doesn't grind down that much from a single stroke.

>>58925252
Incidentally, in middle and high school I'd always get triggered when using mechanical pencils because the lead would get dull and I'd be drawing big lines with no pressure or darkness to them. Wood pencils and their corresponding sharpeners were fucking shit and always broke.

The Kuru Toga was the nice balance between the two that still let me use erasable graphite. Otherwise I'd have been stuck using a pen or some shit, because the plebeian problems of lead are infuriating.

>>58925206
Yes I often break leads on my cheap bic pencil cause I push down too much but now that >>58921586 mentioned it I'm considering mono instead

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>>58925317
The monograph is unironically cheap as fuck, I think my order came out to $4.36 or something total with shipping and everything from ebay

and it compares really well to my nicer pencils, I like it better than my graphgear by far

I honestly don't know why its not more popular in the West, I believe it's pretty common in Japan. Tombow seems to just have really shitty/nonexistent distribution networks, and doesn't really seem interested in expanding...

>>58909716
DelGuard is underrated

>>58923078
>2q
Good thing we never had to learn those.

>>58925484
This so much.

It's essentially impossible to break pencil leads once you get a delguard.

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>>58925449
Hello!
I have checked your image using Error Level Analysis!
It appears to have been photoshopped, but only to the extent of using brightening and sharpening filters.
No need to thank me, I'm only doing my job as part of the community :へ)

>>58921586
I picked up a Tombow Monograph yesterday and I must say I don't particularly like it so far.
The stepping on the led extension is way to high. Press twice and you snap leads all the time, once and you have a tiny stub that you can barely hold at and angle without dragging the feed along the paper as well. The shaker mechanism is completely useless in that condition.

I like my Zebra Delguard much more.

>>58922757
>or maybe i need new paper.
It's mostly this.

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>>58925449
Did I just gain a new fetish?

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>>58925782
>I like my Zebra Delguard much more.
I will order it now, thanks

and I agree the shaker mechanism is useless, however if your lead is snapping I feel it might be more a problem with you using poor quality lead or perhaps too much pressure - I've never had lead snap on me before when using this pencil.

The stepping distance is fine for me, two clicks seems to be perfect.

What exactly is the deal with the delguard, what does this do?

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I really want to like the Kuru Toga, but the non-retractable advance makes it really difficult for me to carry around on a daily basis. I keep a pen and pencil in my shirt pocket or jacket pocket. The lead advance on the Kuru Toga just tears through everything, which includes an occasional poke at my nipple. Not good.

I've been using a Uni Shift Pipe and much prefer it as it doesn't give me a nipple piercing. Doesn't have the twisting lead, but I still like it.

>>58925867
The mechanism is explained no here fairly well.
http://www.jetpens.com/Zebra-DelGuard-Mechanical-Pencil-0.5-mm-White/pd/13434

>>58919829
>mentions wasted movements
You are smarter than 95% of the people that post here, bravo. No one gives thoughts to ergonomics, it's nice to see someone who does.

>>58925901
You know there is a retractable version, right? It's called the kuru toga pipe shift and it also has an updated mechanism that rotates twice as fast.

>>58922963
>D'Nealian is the only form of cursive
>American Loopy shit

Fuck off. American "cursive" is an abortion.

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Thoughts on this one?

>>58926721
Looks awful.

How do I identify the kuru toga with the new, faster rotation?

>>58904621
Mine broke after two years of use, it was an alright pencil. I have since replaced it with a rotring which feels much more robust.

>>58919232
looks sexy.

what's the difference between it and the 935? just the color? i like the blue one more

>>58905978
You can also make the pens into one hitters

>>58929961
>>58919232
sorry i mean 925-25 and 925-35

>>58929973
>>58929961
just the color

Why dont people just make rubber caps for many of these instead of a complex retracting mechanism that can make the tip less firm??

>>58922772
I thought all drafting was done on computers now?

>>58925901
They make pocket protectors for nerds like you.

Alternatively, just carry a pencil case, all the stationary autists carry one with hundreds of dollars worth of pencils and pens.

>>58930737
Caps get lost easily though. I think a better method would be a slide-able shroud like a flash drive.

>>58931142
>laughed at pocket protector jokes as a kid


>realize I am now that nerd

There is nothing wrong with this.

>>58931181
They can sell a pack of 5 slip on caps for $2 or whatever

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>>58904621
0.5 Reporting in.

*click*

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>>58924713
If you want a weightier brass pencil there's the Pilot Automac (not pictured).
>>58925449
The knurling on the Mono Graph Zero is really nice but the body feels like cheap plastic.

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>>58908127
I can agree with this, pic related is the only thing I need (except pens, obviously).

*click* *click*

*click* *click* *click*

>>58919046
>rotring 600
>$33
I'm not that fucking rich

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Alpha gel for life. Mine has lasted me 4 years so far.

>>58924736
Those things suck ass. Barely last a year with regular use. The texture on it start peeling off in a couple months.

>>58937359
Its like $20 on Amazon.

Pentel GraphGear 1000 or Kuru toga, what do you guys recommend for an engineering student?

>>58937521
The GraphGear 1000 is a tried-and-true classic.

Get neither, get a Rotring 600.

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>>58937476

>>58937521
both are fine but i'd go with staedtler 925 25

>>58937537
>>58937577
These two seem to be the dominators of the thread, but rotring doesnt look so autistic of a word sooo

>>58937602
>autistic of a word sooo
?

>>58906019
>protection system
how

>>58937521
Kuru Toga is shit for drawing.

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i bought a couple of spoke pencils off of a kickstarter a few years ago. still using them, kinda comfy.

>>58917935
The zebra pens always broke for me too, right at the threads. Either way still a great value

>>58908357
i agree. these things are smooth af

>>58909696
can you write me a (You)?

>>58915962
>bleeding on the back of the page
absolutely disgusting

>>58919811
>99 cents store studio art eraser
my nigga

>>58938802
these guys are pretty cheap and write nicely but the spring mechanism breaks down really quickly

>>58923018
this
picking up an eraser to erase takes too much time. but the tiny refills on mechanical pencils are too expensive.

I wonder if I'll get back to drawing if I order a pentel graphgear 1000, been wanting to get one for a long time.

The tip didn't even rotate for me. Used it for writing hanzi.

>>58909696
>>58938793
here (you) go
>>58938896
I don't believe they're supposed to be refillable, even though you can refill them.

>>58939103
theyre disposable but they break in a few weeks. and almost a whole piece of lead goes to waste

>>58926167

If such product exists, I can't find it. Link me.

>>58939643
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kuru+toga+pipe+shift

>>58939643
http://www.jetpens.com/search?q=pipe+slide&v=2&f=7f532676bfed4494
People mistaking pipe shift for pipe slide, hope I'm not doing the same.

anyone else have a messed up kuru toga eraser cap due to nervous chewing?

the lead holder also got bent a bit when i disassembled it last, so I've retired the pencil for now.

>>58939993
Yea, that's the right one.
>>58940035
Stop chewing your pencils.

>>58939801

It's not called a Kuru Toga Pipe Shift you mong.

>>58939993

This is correct.

>>58940063
no bully pls

>>58904621

The rotating head is a meme, I still end up with a sharper edge rather than a more uniform tip. Its a really nice pencil though.

>>58904621
I fell for the rotring meme, so no heh

Get the sideclick one with spin out eraser

>>58940473
What meme? About them being the best?

>>58940569
Probably about (((nazi engineering))). These pencils are make in Japan like any other pencil above $3, havenice aluminum body but have weak spot in the middle (plastic thread).

>>58941832
They were bought out by a Japanese company and production was moved to Japan, but as far as I'm aware they still use the Nazi design.

*click*