RYZEN PRICES REVEALED

>>58876396
I wanna see some benchmarks

380 dollars for a CPU? Not even intel's i7 cost that much

>>58876396
It's about 50% weaker too. We know what AMD's feeble little cores are like.

>>58876412
Are you retarded?

>>58876396
I can believe the price, the performance, but not that TDP.

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>>58876396
>AMD
>TDP of 140W
enjoy your housefires

>>58876396
>no Windows 7 support
Not buying it then

>>58876412

>>58876486
install gentoo

no w7 support??
I thought amd gave the nod to 7 a few weeks ago

>>58876396
I hope that by a leak you don't mean this bullshit screenshot of some Europe...

>$317 which probably means it's a conversion from an European currency and that's why it's not rounded up

Oh for fucks sake!

>>58876412
time for your meds

>>58876483
>enjoy your housefires

The 140W is the TDP of Broadwell-E

Why the fuck does a CPU need specific support for an OS?

>>58876689
its DRM shit like kabylake

>>58876537
maybe it works for win7 but they just stated that they officialy don't give driver support for it

>>58876689
Because Microsoft paid them to break it on Win7?

>>58876396
If its amd its guaranteed shit

whatever it is, it will find it's market value and i'll buy into it accordingly

>>58876483
That's the Intel i7 6950X, it has ten cores at 3ghz with a 4ghz boost for $1650

>>58876412
i7 6900k is $1000+, the 6950X is over $1700.

>>58876483
>being incabable of reading

>>58876459
You're really stupid.

>>58876412
State of neo-/g/

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>>58877109
Okay Tim, you can believe whatever you want, but this is not going to beat a modern Intel CPU with the same number of cores.

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>>58876412
>4c/8t vs 8c/16t

>>58877166
Intel's engineers disagree with you.

>>58876396
If this actually happens I am going to enjoy my AMD stocks hitting 30, hell yeah new NVIDIA time baby!

>>58876483
Intelcucks, everyone

>>58876689
try running a old as fuck linux kernel on a modern cpu and see what happens

>>58876412
Yes they do.

>>58876412
obvious bait

>>58877228
uhhh no. no they dont, sweetie

>>58876689
CPUs have tons of bugs and the kernel works around it.
http://danluu.com/cpu-bugs/

>>58877256
See >>58877090. The Ryzen 7 series is intended to compete with the extreme series, not with LGA 115x parts.

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AMDrones on suicide, how will they ever recover?!

> no windows 7
Why waste it for loonix?

>>58877336
hehehe... oh sweetie, ryzen wont even be able to compete with a i3.

>>58877378
Like I said, Intel's own engineers have examined Zen in detail and they disagree. Why do you think the 7740k, 7640k, and 7350k exist?

The more interesting question is what will you do with your CPU?

>not supporting windows 7
What CPU should I upgrade to right now before they start only selling windows 10 CPUs?

>>58877447
If you're that worried about it, buy a Skylake CPU.

>>58876486
>>58876537
>>58877220
Does support really matter? I have ran Win XP on modern systems. Why can't I do the same with a more recent OS?

>>58877499
more businesses run xp then 7

>>58876412
>FAKE NEWS

>>58877166
Doesn't have to. Even if IPC is 5-10% less its close enough and 70% cheaper.

Its not like intel has been making great strides in performance the last few years.

>>58876412
(You)

AMD KEKS BTFO

>>58876689
Why does your hardware require drivers to properly interface with the OS?
Same reason.
The reason this shit will be Windows 10 only?
Money.

ANYTHING THAT SAYS ANYTHING OTHER THAN 95W AND LESS THAN 3.4GHZ IS INCORRECT

This will have two outcomes.
>it is genuinely competitive so will be priced at the same level as intel
>it is genuinely shit in so will be offered at a discount.
Either way there wont be any bargain i5 performance on offer here.

SHUT
IT
DOWN
THE GOYIM KNOW

> no Windows 7 support

What is the point ?
Who is going to buy it then, Linux shills?

>>58876462
>Are you retarded?
Flagship Intel CPU's cost about $340 unless you are looking at their hexa-core chips.

$317 is NOT 70% cheaper than $340.

Unless you are a cuck.

>>58877915
>8c16t
>competing with 4c8t
>not the 6c12t or 8c16t

>>58877807
>Either way there wont be any bargain i5 performance on offer here.
No now but 4 core 8 thread chips are coming later. If the i7 equivalent is as cheap as it is then the i5 equivalent will likely be just a cheap.

I want to see how the $250 and below chips perform. I'm hype.
I wonder if their lowest end quad core can compete with a modern I7

>>58877947
Modern i5* I meant

>>58877915
hmm, you actually are retarded.

>>58876396
If bench marks are good i will buy it

>>58877946
>but we need to wait even longer
This is why i dont like amd

>>58877947
Maybe top end will trade blows with a 6600(non-k) - maybe.

Man, I can't believed how retarded intelfags until I read this thread

>Reading the wrong TDP
>Comparing the wrong price.


Glad I can finally ditch my Sandybridge.

>>58877543
me in the middle

>>58876527
Literally kill yourself

>>58876396
>uniformed post taking a dig at amd

on games that don't support hyperthreading (like rainbow six siege), the 8 cores would be a huge boost.

>>58876412
Alternative facts and fake news are fucking real. What a time to be alive.

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>>58878129
>mfw GAYMEN
>mfw the fact that it drives the industry

Unfortunately, parallelization and asynchronous computing are absolutely the way of the future for general home computing usage, games included.

I just picked up an 8320e/msi 970 mobo for stupid stupid cheap at microcenter. Figured Id start piecemealing my ryzen build now.

Bought a nzxt S340 at the same time, built my current rig in it and used the rest of the parts I needed from my athlon 750k rig.

I figured I would have to wait for q2 and the 4c zen, those prices do make the 8c tempting, I would love one, but Im still a poorfag budget builder

>>58878231
The industry has been saying this shit for years, but nobody in the game industry wants to implement it.

Valve has had multicore support for years, but the vast majority of games don't support it.

Gamers want a cheap chip that won't bottleneck the latest graphics cards. Ryzen is going to be a home run for AMD.

>>58878129
>Don't support hyperthreading
what

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>>58876396
>AMD fags acually though a 8core chip would cost sub $200

When will they learn.

>>58876483
Shut the fuck up you bloody moron

>>58878544
Source

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>>58876412

>>58878590
Mostly posts on normiebook and Tom's hardware.

>>58878129
>>58878305
my thoughts exactly

>>58878304
Nope. I want a faster chip for those utterly useless 3Dmark benchmarks. Plus I can dump folding@home better as well.

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>>58876412
why /g/ is now a shit board: the post

>>58877807
or it can be both just like ATI HD3xxx/HD4xxx GPUs were, just to get huge boost into usage of hardware, so that you know, software wouldn't be only written for the competitor.

It's cheaper, but what's the single core performance like? If it's going to be another bulldozer/piledriver bullshit again, then AMD has let us down again.

>>58877915
i7 6900k 1049 vs R7 1700 300~

Intel babbies on suicide watch

Intel shills BTFO

>>58878709
No, the smug, you dip.

>>58878873
played quake and battlefront at 4k 60+ fps so id assume it would be good enough, its not like you even need major cpu horsepower for games most ppl just use i5s

now if you can get 'good enough' for games and 8 cores that put it on par with a $1100 6900 for multi core stuff for only $500 .....

>>58876396
I'm legitimately hyped for Ryzen because they actually TRIED NEW THINGS instead of rehashing P6 for the 20th year in a row like a certain competitor.

I don't care if Ryzen succeeds or is mediocre. Intel is going to have to copy some of it's neat tech like neural network cache prefetching and a boost clock that scales with cooling.

According to AMD's marketing, so grain of salt, Ryzen will boost as high as it damn well pleases if you cool it enough. SUPPOSEDLY it will continue boost scaling up to liquid nitrogen levels of cooling. The chip WILL OVERCLOCK ITSELF OF YOU FEED IT COOLING. That's just fucking neat.

>>58879169
>Ryzen will boost as high as it damn well pleases if you cool it enough. SUPPOSEDLY it will continue boost scaling up to liquid nitrogen levels of cooling.
Wait, where was that said?
I hope it's true.
I'M FUCKING HYPED.
I've always wanted to do sub cooling via peltier plate. I just hope the socket sticks out as much if not more than AM3 so I can insulate it right to prevent condensation.

>>58877378
Intel is going full damage control, early benchmarks show it stomping. Even if it actually was half the power of a 6900k, it still costs less than 2/5 of it. And it's not that much below.

Why a post about hopes for a monopoly break suddenly turns into an Intel Shills Shitfest? This truly shows how much everyone is scared or hyped about Ryzen. Because it is AMD finally catching up and caughing Intel with its pants down.

>>58878709
>normiebook and Tom's Hardware
>full of retards
Who would have thought

>>58879263
If what he said is actually legit, lets hope that the algorithm used for that system isn't fucked, causing the chip to OC too much and reduce its lifespan dramatically or even fry it.

>>58878544
The math I did, and bare with me, was done when we were told zen was half the size of a 8350

8350 came out a 200$ and was proffit.

Half the size means full chip could be as low as 100$ and still profit.

I have always though amd would target the i7 price with the flagship, and possibly have higher binned parts if they could, so matching an i7 or just the i7 range of around 350 was always where I though minimum would be as it gives amd a fuck load of room to compete with the i3 up to the i7, and completely negate the i7e lineup through the 8 core.

Now with what I know about amds yeilds, they could just produce a 16 core and 32 core and call it a day, selling them cheaper then intel would in the case of 16, and for a far better value then scaling up with intel would give you on the 32 core side. there is a possible 24 core sku, but I dont know enough about the mcm process they are doing and if it requires 2 or 4 cores respectively.

>>58879516
I doubt they will allow the voltage to go over safe thresholds without manual OC. the binning process will most likely separate CPUs based on how higher they clock within voltage and thermal parameters.

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So can a nerd answer a question for me? If the benchmarks ND claims AMD have made are legit, is AMD basically selling the equivalents to 1000$ Intel CPUs at around half the price?

I haven't built a machine in years, but is this an AMD comeback as big as the Athlon x64?

>>58879621
Fuck off normie.

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>>58879516
Planning on a -10 - -30c cooling. So that should be within limits. But the cruise control should really help in getting it working right, and hopefully a carryover function when manually setting up overclocks. Traditional you have to cool before booting with a serious overclock. But this can be a HUGE advantage mitigating that need. And increasing stability dramatically.
If they got this right, Intel's fucking done.

>>58879621
more like Athlon x2

>70% cheaper
god this pisses me off so much

>>58879263
>>58879516
http://www.eteknix.com/amd-ryzen-architecture-features-revealed/

>Extended Frequency Range (XFR) automatically scales the frequency based on the thermal loads and cooling apparatus while permitting frequencies beyond the standard Precision Boost limits.

>>58879621
not many need/want/can afford a 500 cpu.

if amd were offering a 350 cpu for 175...

amd fucked up pretty bad on their prices

>>58879690
These are the prices for the top level Ryzen chips. Ryzen will exist from 8c/16t (these prices) all the way down to 4c/4t (which should be priced compeitive to an i3 and speed competitive to a Haswell i5)

>>58879690
It's yet to be seen where they're going to price the 4c/8t chips but they should be very very low in comparison to the 7700K.

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I heard about AMDs new chip going to beat out Intel's current chip for half the price and power consumption a couple times, and it always falls flat.

>>58879710
The benches are already out there to see
The pricing is now out there to see
We know the TDP
We know the clock speeds (theoretically)

Literally nothing is left now but to wait for them to release and for Intel to panic.

>>58879721
we don't know how well it overclocks vs Kaby. that will be the deciding factor for the enthusiast market

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>>58879681
>while permitting frequencies beyond the standard Precision Boost limits.
So it's Pic related all aver again
THANK YOU BASED AMD.

>>58879721
Bulldozer had some favorable benchmarks too, came out and was shit. I'll wait for the mass produced chips available to the general public to be reviewed.

>>58879742
>All SKUs wull be unlocked for overclocking
>What's that? You're still too lazy to overclock? Fuck it, the CPU will do it for you
AMD really, really wants you to overclock.

>>58879060
So in a game that favors single th>>58879169
>and a boost clock that scales with cooling
So i7s kinda already do that.

Nvidia already does this as well with GPUs.

It will never reach the maximum possible overclock, although it gets close.

>>58876483
>AMD
kay
>TDP of 140W
you wat
>enjoy your housefire
oh its retarded

>Intel’s chip, which has the same clock speed and a TDP of 140W.

>Intel's chip
>TDP 140W
>?
>profit

>>58876483
Epitome of the 12 year old mouth breathers that plague this board. Just shut the fuck up and keep your retarded opinions to yourself until you at least learn how to read.
Moron.

>>58879656
>>58879681
Keep in mind that even if ur running at -40C, a CPU can't overclock past it's voltage limits.
If ur stable at 5.0ghz -40c, it would also be stable at 40c.

Lower temps do the magically allow better overclocks.

>Inb4 liquid nitrogen
Those guys are pumping like 2.0V through CPUs, that' not the same as a consumer chip

>>58878001
Same here, I'm on the 2600k.
Only real reason I want to upgrade is new Motherboard and to go full retard with Type 1 hyper visors.

>>58879744
>Bulldozer had some favorable benchmarks too
No. Nothing like what they've shown so far.
Those were cherry picked benchmarks that at best showed Bulldozer doing well in highly threaded synthetics that didn't hammer the FPU at all, and at worst showed it floundering to match the 2700K.

The benches that have been shown so far have been on Intel's home turf. Blender, handbrake, and the frenchies tested WPrime, POVRay, and Mental Ray.

>>58879824
You're objectively wrong

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>58879060
Games actually don't require that strong a cpu, I was hoping it would be better in video encoding and what not. If it does match up, I'm definitely going from Intel to AMD, assuming the price isn't ridiculously high (which shouldn't be right?).

>>58879830
>Those were cherry picked benchmarks that at best showed Bulldozer doing well in highly threaded synthetics

You just described every Zen benchmarks so far.
Doom- heavily multi threaded
Blender- again using all 8 cores

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>>58879742
You member when you could unlock extra Phenom cores and overclock locked Sandys

>>58879824
Lower temperatures do in fact magically allow better overclocks through the magic of what's known as temperature coefficient of resistance, which increases resistance in a material as temperature goes up, and inversely reduces it as it goes down.

>>58879842
Neither of which are synthetics.

>>58879656
here is the thing.

lower clocks/voltage = lower tdp
all tests shown at base clock with no turbo (why is that) amd can fit in the 95tdp
really it allows amd to claim lower tdp then they will eventually use
This also makes it so that when you benchmark a game, stock amd will look so much fucking better then intel it will be pathetic.

nearly no one overclocks, something /g/ needs to get though their head, so if amd will boost like a motherfucker, and by all accounts so far, has no hardware reason to not boost to 5ghz on a single core and the only reason canardpc didn't do it on more was due to poor power delivery on the motherboard this screams cool me right and I will serve you well.

a full 8 core 5ghz is stupid do think, but 4 cores going to 4.5+ wouldn't be unthinkable, 2 cores to 4.8 and if the cpu can figure out how to load balance, scale cores up independently, you got a cpu that will work completely for you and your, at the time, best interest, something intel wont do for at least 1 cpu cycle because they want 'mah sergmerntation'

>>58879749
amd doesnt want at stock benchmarks to make their cpus look like shit

look at gaming and how only 2-4 cores will be used for the majority of games, if they clock fucking high, they would look comparatively that much better at stock then intel does.

>>58879903
>a full 8 core 5ghz is stupid do think
bulldozer got over 4.5GHz on all 8 with a decent cooler. my personal FX-8120 hit 4.7 before the motherboard had cooling issues (cheap asrock shit) and I didn't do any overvolting.

>>58879921
you can set the clocks and do manual tuning, AMD made this clear.

>>58879936
sure you can, but 95%+ people dont, even on ocable cpus.

>>58879854
also voltage limit is based on how much voltage it can take before it get way too hot

>>58879946
benches will be run with clocks set as well as in autoclocking mode, or do you think reviewers are that stupid?

>>58879958
I think most will put 100% stock in their system and bench games and programs like that, shill sites will lock clocks because clock for clock I believe it will be behind sky/kaby lake especially when skylake x comes out.

some reviewers may manually oc, or put various cooler options on just so you know what you can expect, but it will likely just be straight stock.

>>58876396
Why are we comparing the clock speeds of two entirely different chips this doesn't make sense

>>58879976
everyone does separate benchmarks of OC and stock clocks.

>>58879984
UU

>>58879976
clock for clock, I think it's within spitting distance of Kaby, so it will come down to clock speeds. should be a little slower than Kaby
I personally have always overclocked my processors, and turned off the power management shit that lowers clocks when not in use. the only thing I leave on is the thermal throttle.
I'm interested to see how AMD users in tropical areas will be complaining about slow speeds, and Canada will be loving the easy overclock.

>>58880011
Wat

>>58880021
>should be a little slower than Kaby
here is the thing, broadwell-e is already on mature intel 14nm process, I don't think they would be able to push it that much higher clock wise

it is very interesting that AMD managed to do hgiher clock for more cores, but their 8350 is huge core wise, even if it's "fake" cores, so they might have more experience here it overclocks like crazy

new xeon is still 2.4ghz, naples gonna be fun if they manage 3ghz

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>>58880048
To you.
We're discussing the improvements AMD has made.
It's a simple concept. Much like putting two "U"s together to form a expression that should be easily recognized. Considering all the bane posting.

>>58876412
Please slit your throat and exterminate yourself from the gene pool.

>>58876805
Microsoft is subsidizing ryzen, this is why it costs 70% less than Intel. Pajeets literally paid for 7 not being supported.

>>58880072
No it's not easy to understand unless you explicitly knew baneposting was coming like if I said it was a big chip etc.

And it still doesn't make sense to compare to Intel when there is different work being done per clock in different chips.

>>58876396
As a consumer poorfag faggot, I'm more interested in the price/performance of the entry level shit tier CPUs.

>>58876396
>So what do we think?
it is going to be long month
are they going to release cheap retail APUs for that socket finally? I might want to cheap out and upgrade to zen later.

>>58880120
the R3 chips will be true quadcores, so the i3 is basically dead for budget systems

>>58876396
>So what do we think?
Being this much a part of the hivemind

>>58876396
There is misinformation there.
My 6700k is 8 thread/core @ 4.2ghz "boost" with tdp of 91w. paid somewhere between 300 and 400.. dont remember. Same price range.

Why are you trying to say that its 70% cheaper and doubling the tdp?

also brag about base clock speed, not boost.
I can run this thing at 4.6ghz all day long and thats just automatic overclock.

Im glad amd is getting their shit together, but dont fucking lie to me about it.

>>58880124
I think they said "second half of 2017" for the APUs and Q2 for server SKUs

>>58876412
>not even I7 costs that much
>What is broadwell-E.
Dude for the performance of a 6900k, which is also cheaper then 6800k is a fucking sweat deal. Even if it is AMD.

>>58879903
>but 4 cores going to 4.5+ wouldn't be unthinkable, 2 cores to 4.8 and if the cpu can figure out how to load balance
You can setup overclocking of FXes by cores (2,4,6 or 8) in AMD Overdrive.
I hope we'll get 1-2 core boost to 5hz on Ryzen for these multicore-unoptimized tasks.

>>58880144
finally, world of tanks car run well!

>>58877499
>Does support really matter?
no

>>58876396
I am gonna pay 300 dollars for something that works as fast and good as a 180 dollar CPU?

Thanks AMD!

>>58880139
tell me this is pasta

I'm nervous about switching to AMD. I used to have an 8320 for years. Got it overclocked to 4.6ghz and it still held me back. I finally switched to a 4690k and at stock performed way better than my fx chip did. The specs and everything seem nice and all but I just have this lingering feeling of the regret I'll have by jumping on that platform.

Even though the 8 core fx series cpus had good fps averages, they still had so much dips in framerate. I can't handle lag and stutters anymore. Pls tell me it'll be good /g/.

>>58880149
More like Dwarf Fortress

>>58880186
world generation is a bitch

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>>58880110
>No it's not easy to understand unless you explicitly knew baneposting was coming
GET OFF MY BOARD YOU FUCKING NORMALFAG REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Dude, in all seriousness. Meme's were never a surface level reference. Well not in this neck of the woods. If you don't understand something then you're not exposed to source or lack lateral thinking capability's.
It's how ideas and concepts develop. If we all conform to a straight line approach that's never more than one step ahead and surface level only, we may as well be 9gag.
That's what attracts us here. Because we don't want the norm. The norm is predictable and boring.
For all of our sakes Anon. Apply yourself.

>>58880185
the dips happened when a core went offload then back on load. the clock speed dropped and went back up, causing a stutter. just run it at a static clock instead of power saving and it should help.

>>58880185
my guess most people switched from athlons/phenoms to sandy and stayed there until now(I did) and do not want to spend money for another quad core from intel
so we have only good AMD cpu memories
minor percent of retards that got bulldozer day one doesn't count

>>58880191
Everything is a bitch in it. Main game phase uses 1 core too. Good luck running colony of 200 dwarwes.

>>58880203
I don't have the fx chip anymore and I kept it at a constant 4.6ghz stable. Nothing helped so after a few years I just sold the cpu and mobo and went Intel to see how that would fair.

but does it finally have haxm on windows?

>>58880220
I think intel made strides to avoid that kind of stutter in everything from skylake on. I forget that technobabble name they gave the tech though

>>58880139
6700K is a quad core with SMT or hyperthreading. This is a full physical 8 cores with 16 threads. They are not comparable. Dumb fuck nigger learn to count

>>58880220
>>58880203
Forgot to mention that I have the 4690k at 4.7ghz but with the power saving feature crap on. After testing, it performs the same as if it clocked at 4.7 all the time. I did a 12 hour cpu stress test and the Temps were good, no crashes.

Sometimes I I feel like I just got a bad AMD chip or motherboard.

>>58880140
b-but oems have bristol ridge for half year already
wtf they doing

>>58880204
I went from an X2 x1800 XT system to a 7 i3630 based laptop... The laptop died and I don't have the tools to potentially fix that, hot air rework etc.

So I went to the i7700k. I just can't believe how long that laptop lasted. I do photography mostly but seeking to start doing videography and man I could still be using that machine.


So for me while I had great memories of AMD nothing compares to the pure usability and longevity of modern Intel i series.

Wish I could of waited for Ryzen but I couldn't and honestly don't feel to bad. This current setup is remarkable and now that I can actually upgrade the components I feel I have another 5 year system easy.

Still I do have a partner in my photography pursuits so I am very excited to see Ryzen and perhaps get another quick Lightroom/PS build but with perhaps the added benefit of stellar Premiere performance.

Good times all around, cheers!

>>58880243
bristol is not zen

>>58880244
you are "i need machine to work NOW" case, not marketable and 100% justified purchase of intel

>>58880252
I know, that is why I expected great prices on that

>>58876486
Stop being a faggot that cares about privacy. Nobody gives a single fuck about you.

>>58880300
He's doesn't want anyone to see his micropenis

>>58880300
The most funny thing in likes of him is
>win10 is m-muh botnet!
>uses win7
LOL. Use loonips at least, then. Or stop pretending that you care about privacy.

>>58880051
all 8 core intels are able to hit about 4.2ghz across all cores stable.

Its not shocking amd is able to clock higher then that, but if it can go across all cores at 4.5+ on most cpus, that will be VERY impressive.

granted, ill likely buy a 8 core at the highest base clock and not care about overclocking, so whatever it can do normally is what ill set it to.

even thinking of installing win 10 just to see what clocks it can hit, then just putting them in manually for win 7.

>>58879844
OH YEAH I MEMBER!

>>58876689
only for certain features. cpu will work fine on older windows versions, you can even get the new features to work if the mobo manufacterer makes drivers for it (asus did for the new z270 boards, win7+win8 drivers)

>>58880431
You cant compare clock rates of FX-s, intel's cpus and zen directly.

>>58880110
because, and get this through your thick fucking head already because I assume you are the same faggot who keeps doing this

bradwell e damn near if not equal ipc to ryzen
kabylake is sub 2% overall improvement to that

that means at 3ghz 4 intel core are basically equal to 4 amd now.

so total clock speed is not relevant looking at one cpu to another.

if something uses 1-4 cores or 1-8 threads, kaby lake will kick amds shit in at higher clock speeds because it gets more shit done per second than amd. This is why clock speeds are relevant and why amd potentially being slower speed or doubting its max oc potential is a concern.

I have no doubt over time, amd will win out as more things move to support 4+ cores because more then 5% of consumers will have more then 4, but for a year or two amd may come up short.

>>58880475
damn near equal ipc, means you sure as fuck can with kaby and ryzen

>>58876396
SOURCE. SSSSSOUUUURRRRCEEEE.

Because that's fucking terrible.
>3.7Ghz, 3.8Ghhz and 4Ghz only while overclocked.
>65 watts Now that's bullshit marketing ploy.
>317-490
For 1 CPU. Which I have no idea what it's compatible with and if it might not require a specific motherboard, power supply, cooler+fan and perfect synced memory

Also I doubt it's as powerful as an I76950.
Maybe as good as a I76700 (without the K), but I doubt AMD would fix their shitty lack of power per core right now if they didn't fix it in 17 years.

>>58880431
Ryzen might actually be able to clock higher despite the inferior node simply because its not weighed down by Intel's almost obsessively fuckhuge FPU. That's a huge number of transistors and data lines that have to be driven on Intel chips, which results in alot of heat and power draw.

Having a narrower FPU should in theory at least help in allowing Ryzen to clock higher.

>>58880490
AUTISTIC. Have you been living under a rock for the past few years?

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>>58876396
Some pretty mediocre speeds.. can't even reach 5Ghz in the year 2017.
300-500$ Are you fucking serious?
What the hell do you mean no support for Windows 7? I thought they just said that it supported Windows 7.

OP is a lying faggot right? Or the article he took his info from is a giant turd of shit.

Ugh. Ynless the extended frequency, neuronal network, smaller cpu size and other features can give it a great stat bonus then this cpu is giant disappointment.

>>58880544
>MUH 5GIGAHERTZ!!1
Calm down, FX owner. Go buy second radiator for your waterblock. Youl'll sure show em' with 5.1 GHz.

>>58880258
I know, I know but I'm still excited and can't fault no one for waiting. Know what I mean?

This is really cool time to be wanting or needing hardware.

And for what it's worth I wanted to touch on the OP comment about having good memories, good memories cut all ways

>>58876396
When will we have real benchmark?

>>58876396
that's great and all but
>no 4k netflix

>>58879842
Bulldozer NEVER had benchmarks where a 4c/4t chip beat a 4c/4t Intel.
All benchmarks were done with 8c/8t bulldozer vs 4c/4t or 4c/8t Intel chips.
Zen manages to reach Intel performance with the same thread and core count.

>>58880544
>intel fags before clockrates announced
>LOL NOT GONNA CLOCK OVER 2.3GHZ LOW POWER PROCESS AMIRITE

>intel fags after 3.4hgz minimum confirmed

>LOL IT STILL WON'T HAVE GOOD SINGLE CORE BULLDOZER2.0

>intel fags after leaked benches put a 3.14ghz zen on par with a 6900k

>LOL NO WAY IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN $500 FOR AN 8c/16t THAT COMPETES WITH A $1000 CPU

>intel fags after sub $380 prices revealed

>LOL $350 FOR A CPU!? YOU FAGS COULD GET A 4 CORE i7 FOR THAT KIND OF MONEY WHAT A RIPOFF

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>>58880544
Weird. I've got 4chan X installed, and you don't show up as an new IP.
It's like you're here to post bait or something. Interdasting.

>>58880494
personally, I don't care to much about clock speed, i'm stuck on a phenom II i cant oc due to cooler, and a motherboard I don't want to risk pushing on 16gb of ddr2 I had to down clock so my motherboard would accept it.

literally bulldozer would be an upgrade for me at this point, and seeing I don't have a 144hz monitor, I just want the cpu to be able to push 60fps in everything without being a bottleneck.

May consider an oc for rendering, as going from 3.4 to 4.0 ghz on 8 cores all being fully utilized would be a fairly large step up.

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>>58876412
>>58876459
>>58876483
>>58876821
>>58877166
>>58877355
>>58877378
>>58877752
>>58877915
>>58878873
>>58879710
>>58879744
>>58879842
>>58880139
>>58880185
>>58880244
>>58880490
>>58880544

>Thread is full of bait and tech illiterate faggots who researched nothing on Zen

Just like most /g/ hardware threads nowadays. Even fucking /v/ has some rules against blatant shilling, it's not even funny anymore. This board has turned to a point I can find better discussions on Tom's Hardware sometimes. For fuck's sake.

>>58880718
Ryzen definitely would be a huge step up for you. Even the 6c models (if they're real) should be a solid upgrade from a Phenom II.

I personally wanna see how the 8c chips do compared to my SB-E Xeon. If they give a good performance boost for an acceptable price (not any of this $1000+ bullshit intel wants for their unlocked octos) over it I'll likely get one.

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>>58880383
>Muh nothing to hide

>>58877220
>what happens
runs like a charm. some modern cpu features may not be available.

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>>58880757
How do you know something is good when it doesn't even exist as a final product yet? If you trust their words, you're more illiterate than all of us.

>>58879676
Why?

>>58876396
>$317
it'll be 500 euros/350 pounds in europe

>no win7
D O A
O
A

>>58880907
Come on, give Kaby Lake a chance...

>>58880898
I can get a beastly Xeon for that price right now

>>58881027
You can't compare what you, not even everyone, can get used.

This is competing with the $1100 6900k.

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>no win7 support

>>58880898
EU prices already leaked. £312 or 390€

>>58876486
ryzen processors will support win7, they won't release dedicated drivers though.

>>58880760
oh fuck man, even a 4 core 4 thread ryzen would be an upgrade, but I cant see a massive gain from going quad to quad, even quad to hex is pushing it for what I think would be pushing price/value but octa for under 500$

I got a computer planned
I have 500$ set aside for the cpu and 250 for the motherboard
getting 32gb of 3200 ram
1tb sata ssd as nvme has little tangible benefit to me and I doubt programs will start being 100% uncompressed in the next 2-3 years
8tb 5900 hdd for mass storage so I can use my 4tb current as a pseudo backup
150$ for the case I want
80-100$ for the cooler
another 80~$ for a full modular psu
and 30$ if I can use win7 ultimate, if not ltsb and a stop bothering me program depending on how annoying it asks me to pay is going to be.

going to reuse the gpu on the new computer and insert my old one into my current computer so I have 2 fully functional systems

>>58880767
>>58880383
literally everyone is spying on you at all times and it never stops, my privacy is dead, while I believe this to be a massive issue, its never getting fixed from a corperation side.

However, the fucking forced updates, that is something I refuse to live with or try to dance around.

>>58881103
Drop back to 16gb of ram, screw off the SSD you were thinking of and buy an >>m.2<< SSD, the stupid fast ones. AM4 mobos support it. Extra ram can be done later.

>>58881112
nobody is spying you fucking retard! Unless Microsoft has 400 million employees paid to spy every single user 24/7. BTW everything you do on the internet is fucking trackable. I hope your parents were brother and sister because you are really too stupid to exist.
P.S. Ryzen will support win7

>>58881168
>nobody is spying you fucking retard!
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=define+spying
Learn to English

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>>58876412
We already have benchmarks we can extrapolate from.
Beats 6800k in all cases, 5% ahead of 6900k for half the price. 5% behind 6900k for a third of the price.

Even does well in gaymen benchmark that still includes single core heavy games like ARMA.

>>58881128
The point he was making was m2 nvme drives offer almost no benefit to end users. I got a couple in at work for working with big 3d engine editors and it doesn't do squat. Even for big initial loads before everything is cached,

>>58880767
>strawman
I didn't said I have nothing to hide.
I have secure OS and tor/vpn for things I need to hide. When I don't need, windowz works for me.

>>58881128
the stupid fast ones give 0 tangible benefit because of how programs work, very few are completely uncompressed and scale linearly with speed, the drop off is somewhere around 400-500mb read where everything is sameish outside of synthetic benchmarks, recording video or rendering out video, and in the case of rendering out video, I need mass storage more so then I need fast as mass+fast is several grand on its own.

If programs actually start uncompressing and really using 2000+mb read, I'll get a cheaper and bigger drive then, but right now that 1tb is going to be a boot/when games load significantly faster off ssd drive.

>>58881168
you type in 10 they record it
you write with 10 they record it
you say anything, they are tracking it

but I have far less problem with that then I do the update policies.

>>58881249
Different folks/strokes.
Personally I'd use it as a thumbnail cache, and indexing drive. But I have different needs and wants from my hardware.
>>58881258
Now you got the gears spinning I'm going to have to look into uncompromising my shit.

>>58881317
honestly I could use the speed of an nvme, but the size of the drives is nowhere near what I require it to be, I need 250gb for current size of my image archive and that's before I dump in some of the larger rar and zipped archives to it.

in a year if nvme really takes off, gets big, and gets cheap, I may look into a 1tb or 2tb drive. till then, its not something I can see as a viable option due to both the niche of the few operations that can take advantage of the speed, along with the compressed archives for any program/game bottlenecking it makes it more of just a curiosity then an option.

>>58880185
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC9_EgwZ26I

>>58881027
beastly xeon costs $8894

>>58881474
That's nothing. What are you, poor?

>>58877543
this is fedora level cringe

>>58877807
it will be ok, but fanboys and hyped cucks will hype the prices, and jew sellers will reap all the benefits, despite amd having low margins. Demand will fuck supply in the ass, and faulty chips will start arriving.

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can't wait for all the benchmarks sponsored by Intel and other funny damage control

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>>58876396
>no win 7 support

>>58881247
>extrapolating results by assuming linear clock scaling and ignoring the broken micro-op cache and smt

it's going to be at least on par with the 6900k at base clock, let alone 4niggerhertz.

>>58881619
haha, great meme

it will work though, despite lac of support

I wonder n what way windows is paying both intel and amd for this shit? It's probably no money, but some win10 features or whatever.

>>58881634
If SMT was disabled on the French sample then Intel is literally bankrupt and finished.

>>58881086
400 € holy fuck

>>58876396
>no Win7 support
FUCKING DROPPED
SKYLAKE HERE I COME

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I don't know why /g/ is even surprised that Intel is getting their ass kicked.
Apple's A10 CPU on the iPhone 7 runs at 2.3GHz and it still fucking smashes the fuck out of the Intel i7-7500U at 3.5GHz on single core benchmarks.
This is a 2W mobile CPU compared to a Intel Laptop CPU running at 30W with full Turbo-Boost on one core.

Source:
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/1826215?baseline=1823876

Now before you go >hurr duur Geekbench
Geekbench 4 got rid of the useless shitty Encryption benchmarks that made the previous versions so unreliable and both ARM and x86 versions now run the exact same benchmarks.

AMD needs to get Ryzen right, by that, not just matching Intel's performance and offering the same price, they need to absolutely fuck the shit out of intel on performance, otherwise fanbois will still buy intel garbage.

>>58881760
haha, fuck that shit

>>58881794
>This is a 2W mobile CPU
That turns into housefire in mere seconds.

>>58881569
>EVERYONE BUT ME IS WRONG OR DISHONEST
>BAWWWW AMD IS THE BEST HOW COME NOBODY BUYS IT! GOD DAMN SHILLS!

/x/ levels of retardation, you might as well sell water filters for Alex Jones.

>>58881794
AMD is still going to suffer on Float performance, their FPU isn't as wide as Intel's fuckstupid wide FPUs.

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>>58881885
Doesn't Intel still owe AMD 1 billion in damages. For doing illegal things? Especially pertaining to paying off of suppliers.

>>58881760
>>58881838
if those prices are accurate it's a i7-6900k for a third of the price

>>58881933
I'm not sure. I know they've paid someone and havent paid someone in regards to that shitstorm, but I'm not sure if its AMD or the EU who got the cash, cause i think intel got hit twice with that.

>>58881885
jokes on you I'm an occultist, I unironically listen to Alex and used to frequent /x/ about 5 years ago
and I support Advanced Micro Devices

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>>58881939
There were two lawsuits. The EU was a billion to go to subsidizing laptops. And another hefty amount in the US courts. I'vhe got no idea what that was over.
I think the shitstorm was the EU one. The longer Intel holds off on that the worse it's going to be.

How's AMD's laptop chips coming along? With all this zen that's sure to be the next big thing.

>>58881981
>How's AMD's laptop chips coming along?
I personally doubt they would be any good. I'm more excited about Snapdragon taking over the tablet/laptop space now that Microsoft has partnered with them for Windows 10 x86 compatibility. The Snapdragon has a fixed function module for x86 compatibility and recent tests already shown that it outperforms every single Intel Atom released.

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>>58882014
>I'm more excited about Snapdragon taking over the tablet/laptop space
>now that Microsoft has partnered with them
You know why I'm about to tell you to feel bad.

I personally don't want them anywhere near chip development.
But we'll see what fuckery they produce.
And severe concern for mobile chipsets now. M$ is too Jewy in recent times to be trusted.

>>58882062
I'm guessing the partnership will result in locked Secureboot UEFIs for devices running Windows 10. Not much of an issue if you're already a Windows user.

>>58881794
No one believes your shitty Geekbench, dude. Give us s passmark or something legit. Or something like an encoding test.

>>58876396
Is this shit ddr4 I remember.hearing it was ddr3 or was that quad channel?

Also why buy the consumer vs server version is they both have no GPU?

>>58882408
ddr4. Rumor is dual channel. But I think that's shit, current year and all.

>>58882408
Why would anything use ddr3?

>>58882421
irs not, quad/octo channel is on server ryzen motherboards only

>>58882337
Look at the stuff that Geekbench 4 tests before you shit on it you stupid fucking piece of shit.

This is what Passmark's CPU test consists of:
Integer Math
Floating Point Math
Prime Numbers
Extended Instructions (SSE)
Compression
Encryption
CPU - Physics
Sorting

Geekbench 4 tests for all of that plus a dozen more real world tests.
Next time don't so gladly make a fool out of yourself.

>>58882442
Here's hoping server boards will support decent overclocking then.
Then again, dual channel doesn't really have that much drawback other than future proofing.

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>>58882450
((((Real world tests)))))

Same tests Intel uses that show kaby lake better than skylake by 15% ?

Good now we can buy intel at cheaper prices.

Thanks AMD.

>>58882488
Waht the fuck would you need quade channel for on a desktop?

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>>58883010
Don't need it... Yet. That's the point. I'd rather buy one mobo per gen if I can.
And I don't really see quade channel never being utilized. I'm sure some half arsed programmer will make a abomination of a VR that'll ask for quad in future.
Kinda how that shit goes in the desktop market, poor utilization or proper programing standards/Frankenstein code library's bloating it out tenfold causing it to run like shit on existing hardware, warranting the need for upgrades.

>>58876575
That amount is already the converted amount from euros you dumb fuck

>>58880490
Literal 11 year olds ITT.

>>58876396
Intefags are completely blown the fuck out
Inteljews are totally anally devastated

>>58883472
Kind of agree. I was thinking of skipping Ryzen but I'm tempted to sell my 5820k and rejoin AMD.

>>58878005
you bottle of scotch?

Why the fuck does AMD still use deprecated pin grid arrays

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>>58883558
Because it works.

>>58883558
to cater retro fags

>>58883558
Because it's cheaper and pins are easier to bend back unlike on PGA sockets.

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>>58880490
>Which I have no idea what it's compatible with and if it might not require a specific motherboard, power supply, cooler+fan and perfect synced memory

lmaoooooo

>>58880592
>not unsubbing after the recent show reveal

>>58883592
Damn, haven't seen this picture in ages

Anyone excited for mobile Ryzen CPUs?
Imagine Intel's faces when AMD launches an eight-core, SMT-capable 35W TDP laptop for the same price as an i7-7700M

>>58880809
there are like 4 different benchmarks from different parts of the world that show the same performance results and it's going to be good

>>58883917
no iGPU. nobody wants a laptop without iGPU.
Ryzen based mobile APUs will have 4 cores

>>58883972
They could always use another or two GPUs to compete in the high end. I think one of the mobile Excavator APUs has its iGPU completely disabled and uses an RX 470M instead.

Who's for stock shortages on the r7 1700? If the rumours on that part are true it's going to be the biggest bargain since sliced bread.

>>58884268
I think it's going to be across the board.
https://videocardz.com/65747/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-and-1700-listed-online
>1800X base of 3.6Ghz. Boost of 4Ghz 95W
If that's true there's no reason to not buy it other than you don't need anything more than a web browser.

>>58884444
Ominous quads

>>58882768
ALTERNATIVE TESTS

Here's what will happen: Massive demand will make prices shoot up, causing it to be completely not worth buying for over a year.

AMD will find a way to disappoint, no matter what.

>>58884606
Like Skylake?
GloFlo has been pumping out 14nm for quite awhile now so it can't be anything to do with the process.

>>58884606
But AMD isn't at fault in this case, retailers raise prices, AMD only gives them a suggested price.
Not enough supply isn't AMD's fault either, they don't produce the chips, GloFo does.

>>58884606
Ryzen will have no paper launch and GloFo already produces 14nm chips for Poolaris, so no, supply will meet the demand.

>>58884444
It's just the 1700 seems to offer that much more value than the other two 8 cores, especially to me where I'm a cheapskate and happy to overclock.

>>58884823
depends on how well it overclocks. Gaymurs might want to spend the extra money for the 4Ghz+.
For gaymurs it might actually be better value to get the 6 core and overclock that to death.

>>58884889
>overclock that to death.
It even overclocks itself so even most brainless gaymur will have no problem with it.

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>>58876396
>mfw I paid less than that for an i7-6700k last year and its still faster.

>>58884952
Fuck's wrong with you, tripfag?

>>58884965
Dry humor and misanthropy.

>>58884992
> calling that humor

>>58885002
What else would you call it?
Its funny that it pisses you off so it must be a joke right?

>>58885007
> implying you were actually joking

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>>58885007
haha

Why do people care so much about CPUs? Even a several year old CPU is just as fast as a new one.

>>58885020
I was.
The image is overly flamboyant, I am not.
I also bought an i7-6700 not k. The deliberate embellishment is satire on Intel users shitting on AMD ones.

That it pisses off a triggered AMD user is just icing on the cake.

>>58885031
Oh dear fuck it's a tripfag invasion. Why do only retards choose to have a name here?

>>58885046
see >>58885028

>>58885053
That didn't answer my question, but thanks for your "contribution" to the thread, nigger.

Is it going to be like Athlon cpus again ?
>tfw Athlon 2500+

>>58885081
> implying you contributed anything by spewing your useless opinion

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>>58885084
Yes.

>>58885053
t. newfag

>>58885113
Put your trip back on.

>>58885081
People with shitty football teams still vaunt their team even knowing that it will provoke negative attention, its intentional, part of how they socialize.

The same goes for people that enthusiastically shill AMD processor progress, it provides them with an imaginary loose knit social group that they can wrap themselves up in like a security blanket to keep the chill from the negative comments off while they sip a cup of bullshit and wait to die.

>>58885212
now kith

>current cpu is from an age before any cpus were "turbo boost" capable
>ryzen supposedly boosts to infinity
Fug. Why are CPUs so expensive, I want to upgrade already. I'm missing out.

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>>58885300

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>>58885300
>>58885310

Wasn't Ryzen aimed at gamurs? Where's the gaming CPU? i.e the one that doesn't cost $380.

>>58885364
4c8t and 6c12t are going to be available on launch for much cheaper.

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>>58876483
>drop this bait in the morning
>come back to a bunch of (you)'s
stay classy /g/

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>>58885414
nice 1

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>>58885427
>trying to excuse being dumb by calling other person dumb
hehe

>>58885020
STOP

FEEDING

THE

TRIPFAG

HIDE AND REPORT FUCKSTICK

>>58885414
>hurrdurr i sure trolld them :)))))))))

>>58876396
I'm still hoping that they will release a decently priced middle / lowrange cpu that competes with intels stuff.

>>58884268
Su swears and calls oaths upon chink gods it's going to be everywhere no shortages
considering how it worked out for 480 in my country personally i'll be alright and not even overpriced
question is in benchmarks, ES looks too good

>>58882768
recent investor call they promised same 15% for next 14nm cofee lake

>only 16 lanes of PCIe Gen 3.0
That's not enough to connect a video card, a 10GbE adapter, and an M.2 without making some major bandwidth sacrifice on one or all of them.
It's shit for content creators' workstations.

>>58885826

nobody cares about your shitty youtube channel

>>58885781
How much cock could a /g/ cuck clock if a /g/ cuck could clock cock?

>>58885840
>youtube
kek, there are a lot more content creators than mere Youtubers. You won't see any TV, film, and digital content creators using Ryzen in the build any time soon, unless they have a better SoC than Ryzen PROs...

And what the fuck would a Youtuber do with 10GbE anyway?

>>58885878
streaming probably i doubt you would "need" it

>>58885893
10Gbe is too much for streaming with a typical 15Mb/s upload. You can even use 100Mb ethernet without noticing anything. Why would amateur CCs pay $200+ for a 10GbE NIC, it makes no sense.

>>58885914
>last year youtuber got 3 titan x and 10 core
>just coz

>>58885826
20 lanes actually

>>58886015
Actually it's 24

>>58885826
>a video card, a 10GbE adapter, and an M.2
>100% usage of all three AT THE SAME TIME
Wew lad, it's almost like you have a pretty niche usecase that calls for a specialized CPU.
I wonder why this 90% usecases catch-all consumer CPU won't do...

>>58876396
is Rizen better than intel7?

>>58885826
Fuck, if I replaced my Xeon E5-2687W v2 workstation with a Ryzen R7 1800X, I'd either have to lose a monitor, or lose my HBA card.
Xeon E5-2687W v2
>Quadro K5000 (16x)
>Avago HBA card (8x)
>PCIe-to-M.2 adapter card (4x)
>X520-DA2 (PCIe2.0 8x)
>Video capture Device (PCIe2.0 4x)
I can't do that with Ryzen at all.
>>58886015
>>58886028
It's 16 from the SoC and an extra 8 lanes of PCIe2.0 to the southbridge.

>>58886035
The video card probably doesn't need that sort of bandwidth, but it's a fucking Quadro that throws a Jewish shitfest if I drop the number of lanes below 8.
The 10GbE NIC is used to connect to an iSCSI array in another room while the M.2 acts as both a persistent cache for the video capture device and as a direct copy drive in case the 10GbE connections are already saturated with transfers (I need no less than 480MB/s bandwidth thanks to the stream from my capture card)

>>58886131
AMD's AM4 motherboard have M.2 slots built in, so you could lose your adapter card.

I also really doubt that losing some lanes with any of those cards (sans the m.2 adapter) would affect performance adversely.

>>58886172
M.2 shares lanes with the 16 lanes coming from the SoC. Either case, that means I'd have to lose 4 lanes of PCIe3.0

>I also really doubt that losing some lanes with any of those cards (sans the m.2 adapter) would affect performance adversely.
It kinda does because Nvidia literally will not work unless I be a good goy and feed it no less than 8 lanes of PCIe Gen 2.0
My HBA adapter could work with less lanes, but then I'd lose out on total bandwidth going both ways (most of the time, half of the drives are being read from while the other half is copying to a network drive). The NIC would work with 4 lanes, but then I'd be restricted to full bandwidth on on port and throttled on the second AND lose out on some TCP offloading features by default.
And my capture card simply won't be recognized without full bandwidth, even though I'm told it can work off of PCIe 1x electrically.

>>58886131
M.2 on the am4 has a dedicated link to the cpu, there is also 4x link from the cpu to the south bridge

>>58886131
MAYBE WAIT FOR THE RYZEN WORKSTATION EQUIVALENT THEN YA CUNT.

>>58886244
The m.2 does not share lanes, stop spreading bad info

>>58886277
>M.2 on the am4 has a dedicated link to the cpu
Really? I think a Biostar rep said something to the tune of "M.2 shares lanes with the main PCIe bandwidth by default". I'll wait on confirmation on that from all the board makers.

>>58886290
Ryzen R7 1800 PRO is the workstation variant, you cunt. There will be no other socket other than the fuck-huge enterprise multi-socket motherboards.

>>58886311
You're wrong, the workstation/server zen cpus aren't out until 2H

NEW THREAD WHEN?

>>58886311
Wait for the workstation naples ya doof

>>58886311
u dun goofed m8

>>58886244
>>58886311
Hi, it's already known that Ryzen has 24 pcie lanes

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>>58886459
Yes, and those lanes are split between USB 3.1, NVMe, and other SoC components at the motherboard maker's discretion
>Hi
I will tear a hole in your tongue and fuck it raw until it falls off, you stanky marketer cunt.

>>58886560
I'm just a sysadmin anon.

Anyway, Naples will have 32 lanes per vpu if that's what you want.

Don't forget that the motherboard vender can add pcie lanes via the motherboard, not everything needs a constant direct connection to the cpu.

>>58886669
>Anyway, Naples will have 32 lanes per vpu if that's what you want.
That's more like it. As long as it costs less than a C612 motherboard, I'll wait.

>>58886709

>>58886709

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The one thing I wish people would stop saying is, "Intel is finished."

Intel managed to be more popular manufacturer back in the days of the Athlon 64 when AMD was kicking their ass in benchmarks and pricing. Some of that is because of monopolistic practices, but a lot of people would stick with Intel because of brand loyalty.

Besides, even if Ryzen completely trounces the Kaby Lake updates in every single price bracket, it wouldn't take Intel long to respond with a line of serious contenders.

>>58886880
This was before everyone was on the internet though.

>>58886880
>a line of serious contenders.

2018, coffee lake 6 core 14nm whole another 15%, that they promise every new cpu but never deliver.

>>58887083
It's sysmark scores, that means those 14% come from the GPU

>>58887083
Intel is not exactly firing on all cylinders. They've become complacent. They've released chips with 5% performance improvements for the last few years because there's no reason to make anything more powerful. I think if they realized they might lose the crown, they'd get their asses in gear.

>>58887096
>when you realize that Intel is only going to improve the iGPU

>>58880236
>>58880179
fuck, disregard my post.
I was falling asleep when I looked up the specs of the ryzen chip for this thread and thought it said that it was an 8 core 8 thread chip.