ITS HAPPENING - ZEN IS COMING AND COST LESS THAN $320/500 USD!

wtf I love AMD now

Can't wait for the benchmarks when it's shit and getting to listen to a year of "Wait for Zen 2"

>>58862903
>intelniggers this scared that theyre going to lose dat dere shill money after amd crushes intel
lmaoo

if it is SB level IPC ill be happy.

>>58862884
>3.8ghz 8 core
>4.0ghz 8 core, same tdp
>almost $90 difference

wtf is AMD doing?
that 1800x better have super duper fcking multithreading

Nothing is confirmed until a cpu has shipped.

If this is a flop I'm going to end up using an ivy until 2020

>>58862903
Zen+ is the successor you nig

But this will be great. AMD is going to make computing great again!

>>58862903
If its shit I think we're going to have a Ma Bell situation.
>>58862927
Scuttlebutt says higher binning, TDP is for overclocking headroom (possibly from the built-in overclock system)

>>58862964
Are there benchmarks yet or is all the hype just speculation?

>>58862975
Just speculation :^)

>>58862927
Those are the turbo frequencies, they have different base clocks too.
X branded SKUs don't have a cooler boxed with them.

This is just as unbelievable as the ultra low clocked really expensive "leaks"

>>58862884
Fuck, I have to upgrade my motherboard AGAIN...

>>58862884
Cant wait for Bulldozer 2

>>58862989
Why would a retailer do this? :^|?

>>58862975
Nothing official because there arent supposed to be any
keyword:supposed

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>>58862884
I will get RYZEN only because it support windows 7 and I'm not really a gaymer so fuck DX12

>>58863025
Piledriver wasn't too bad at 200 bucks

>>58863043
REALLY MAKES ME THINK

>>58863043
>dat twitter

>>58863027
I am guessing that the clocks listed are the boost clocks.

>>58863064
>dat photo (well, not as bad as Cher maybe)

>>58863070
they are

>>58863043
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3167279/computers/amd-sorry-there-will-be-no-official-ryzen-drivers-for-windows-7.html

>>58863043
It doesn't.

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>>58863083
w-w-w-w-what :c

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This is totally sick dude

Sandy bridge BTFO

I can't wait to tell mom about this one

She hasn't talked to me since I started vaping

>>58863099
>>58863083
>>58863043
>not learning how to program to make chipset drivers for windows 7

>>58862884
Not gonna lie, former Intel shill here.
It's fun to watch AMD crash and burn,
but seriously don't by AMD.

>>58863118
The AM4 momboard will support it?

>>58863141
The only think that will probably be fucked is usb booting like the latest intel chipsets

>>58863083
It might still work, we'll see. After all, Kaby Lake also works, with some effort. IIRC

I'm eying that 1700x desu senpai. The 'ol i5 2500k is about to be retired.

I will wait and see how they perform, but I'm willing to abandon intel.

i hope it doesnt flop, some benchmarks would be nice though.

>>58863043
>>58863083
>>58863099
>having to rely on a company for your drivers
>drivers are locked to a newer version of the OS that fucks you over
Windows fags are honestly just sad at this point

>>58863118
>not using Windows 7 as a Type 1 hypervisor
Fucking plebs

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>>58862884

>>58863323
You know when you shill you're not supposed to use a trip, right?

Intel users want ryzen to fail - understandably. Who'd want their lame ass 4 core to be absolutely BTFO and obsolete?
t. 6600k owner

>>58863323
We Copy Content Forever Tech

Intel is ded

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>>58863083
HAHAHAHAHAHA RYZEN DOA we need to have a separate thread for this.

>>58862884

What can I get for under $200?

>>58863330
WCCF is a rumour aggregator, not a news source.

>>58863399
Meanwhile VideoCardz can proudly claim its spot in the latter as it rightfully should.

>>58863368
But Intel won't either you fucking retard

>>58863083
wtf i hate AMD now

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>>58863414

>>58863435
If you weren't using Linux to begin with you shouldn't be allowed to have a computer

>>58862884
WINNING

>>58863323
https://www.techpowerup.com/230483/amds-ryzen-r7-8-core-16-thread-processor-prices-outed-for-europe

Happy?

>>58863270
>not running Windows in a KVM+GPU-passthrough setup

>>58863451
That wasn't the point idiot, AMD will lose share for the Win7 holdovers because of flip-flopping

>>58863451
if you werent using unix to begin with you shouldnt be allowed to have a computer

>>58863455
Of course. Reading and comparing now.

>>58862884
Ok so the 1700X is the same price as the 6700K for me. I suppose if it's that much better I might consider it.

>>58863481
Lose share to who?

>8c/16t 3.7GHz
>65W TDP
thanks, Shitwrecker

>>58863538
Thats the turbo, minimum guaranteed single core turbo.

if this is true amd hugely devalued themselves and did nothing to remove the value underdog image they claimed they wanted to break away from. either that or zen is actually pretty shit with their 8 core only able to compare to intel 4 core / 8 thread cpu's. utterly pathetic.

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>>58863564

>>58863564
>more competitive prices are bad! customers want to pay more!

>>58862884
>less than $500 usd
Sorry im not a richfag who cries to his mommy if he can borrow a couple grams of gold. Im sticking with Intel

>>58863621
>He can't make his own money

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>>58863621
wat..?

>>58863099
Love me some thicc trap.

>>58863355
I'm pissed too that Intel held back on the HT for so fucking long. My first pc, a bentium 4 had HT and was pretty nice.
t. also 6600k + Fury (no bully)

>>58863435
Why is Windows 7 such a necessity you crybaby. Just use 8, 8.1, or 10.
>inb4 too expensive just use linux
https://www.kinguin.net/category/19429/windows-10-professional-oem-key/
$32. Thank me later
>inb4 botnet tracking
http://www.getblackbird.net/
>inb4 free software
Stop niggering/jewing so hard

>>58863561
still pretty good, compared to the current FX lineup

>>58863642
Im spending $350 MAX on any CPUs. Maybe a little more, if I think its worth it. $500 USD is not worth 6 cores

>>58863720
just get one in your price range then you fucking retard. if you think they all will be $400+ you should seriously get your retarded brain checked.

>>58863720
We only have the pricing on the three most expensive CPUs from the launch.

>>58863709
>paying some chink for a key when you can just pirate
>thinks you can stop kernel-level telemetry with some program

>>58862884
INTEL BTFO... IT IS OVER... HOW WILL THEY EVER RECOVER? WTF, I LOVE AMD NOW...

My only regret is not being able to afford more than 230 shares.

So, how long will it be until intel does some price cuts? 3 months or 6, or maybe a year from now?

>>58863902
depends on well amd performance and sells. intel might have gotten enough kaby sales that they dont care to lower prices until summer

>>58863902
Intel don't do price cuts, especially not on their moneymakers when they're doing major damage control on their embedded and defunct mobile divisions.

>>58863902
Intel has not done any price cuts in recent memory.

>>58863960
Well that was because they had no reason to since there wasn't any real competition other than with their own chips, but now with zen coming out things will be a little different.

>>58863757
>Pirating/niggering like the filthy nigger you are
Do you even own your computer you filthy nigger

>>58863757
>thinks you can stop kernel-level telemetry with some program
this

>>58864002
Intel can't afford to do price cuts on any of their line-up. They're going to lose at least $200 million dollars this quarter alone just for damage control over their embedded SoCs dying early.

>>58862884
>tfw was impatient and paid 350$ for intel 7700k

>>58863083
shame. I need a CPU upgrade but am waiting to see what works best on win 7.

>>58863757
>thinks you can stop hardware-level telemetry with some OS
everyone already has access to your comp thanks to hardware backdoors in cpu, unless you got over 10 year old cpu

>>58864009
>paying to get spied on
and yes i do own my pc, im not some retarded millenial burger that buys shit on credit.
and i have my own apartment if you're implying i still live in my parent's basement and had them pay for my pc.

>>58864027
idiot

>>58863083
fuck

>top tier i7 speed for i5 price
Okay glad I waited.

>>58863709
>Why is Windows 7 such a necessity you crybaby. Just use 8, 8.1, or 10.
I'm suprised I would need to explain it to you anon, it's pretty straightforward. I like windows 7, I've used the others and don't like them. Why would I use something I don't like anon? What kind of retarded company would try and force me to use something I don't like?

>Stop niggering/jewing so hard
hate to break it to you buddy but I think you might need to look in the mirror.

>>58864070
This is not true, the benchmark is done in house. Cores rarely matter anyways. Also Intel has done 14nm process for far longer than AMD.

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>>58863083
DELET DELET DELET

>>58862975
The only official benchmark is the Blender demo were Intel got BTFO, all the other benchmarks are random leaks with early silicon which put the ES chips just a bit below the 6900K

>>58864088
they released all the settings they used

>>58863083
>AMD confirmed that it has tested and validated Ryzen on Windows 7, but that it won’t officially support the OS.
"not supported" doesn't automatically mean "won't work"

Why do Intel and Nvidia fagsnot want competition? Competition leads to lower prices. Even if you don't buy AMD it's a win win situation.

WTF is wrong with you!

>>58863564
They are waiting for Intel emergency editions, which they will BTFO with a unicorn priced SKU with slightly higher base clocks
They are probably holding on rebranded Naples/Snowy Owl chips to BTFO the eventual multi socket enthusiast platform Intel would launch

>>58863025
Can't wait for Prescott 2.

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>mfw all these retards that bought kabylake/skylake will go on suicide watch

>>58863561
nobody lists turbo in the shops though, it's always base clock
which makes this whole thing fake

>>58863517
people who dont want to fucking use the shit heap that is 10.

intel made the last fully compatible cpus that were worth a damn.

>>58862884
The 1700x is the perfect 8 core for my linux machine.

>>58863128
>former

>>58863564
>just because the competitor has a monopoly and fucks customers over with high prices AMD has to take it to the ass too and sell their products for an equivalent price even if their hardware is equivalent or better
Do you even read the retarded shit you write before posting it?

>>58864216
what is the point?
okay chipset will support w7 from vendor drivers anyway, same with kaby/skylake
but half of functions wouldn't work because w7 doesn't have those functions

this is xp all over again, do not cry when something doesn't work, crash or underperforms

>>58864114
so they made sure the cpu works on windows 7... ok im willing to still hear them out, granted if constant crashing is in my future, ill just buy a new old stock ddr3 motherboard and ride my current cpu out till the fucker dies and likely kill self.

>>58863083
Good. Fuck those obsoletefags. If you're getting the newest hardware, you should also use the newest software. Otherwise fuck off to your Linux distros.

>>58864235
when xp finally stopped working, there was a good os waiting for us to upgrade to, what we have now is constant spying random restarts and advertisements everywhere, or fucking linux.

>>58864256
I've heard this before about w7=vistasp2.

Retards, who cares if it doesnt support windows 7. Windows 7 is deprecated. Switch to linux.

>>58864279
vista sp2 fixed the shit that was broke on vista, whereas win7 for someone on vistasp 2 was not an upgrade just a 100-300$ side grade.

The only thing 10 has over 7 is microsoft forcing everyone to not make shit for 7.

>>58864300
when linux works, still waiting on that to get sorted out.

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>>58864310
fucking this

>>58864238
yea, it works, not sure how well or if it be problem-free

people often mistake the meaning of "unsupported", all it means is that the company won't write patches or respond to support inquiries regarding an unsupported thing

take windows xp, for example, it is unsupported by microsoft now, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work at all, just that they no longer endeavor to ensure it will keep working with new things, or fix new issues

>>58863972
AMD hasn't been competitive in recent memory.


When AMD was king, Intel was cheaper

>>58864332
>When AMD was king, Intel was cheaper
no, intel wasn't.

>>58864326
Im anticipating being required to have addin cards to do pretty much anything and all motherboard functions to be broken besides seeing the cpu, cards, and ram.

>>58864332
it wasn't, they tried to sell for higher price
and got destroyed in the process, if not for OEM bribing

>>58863070
amd supposedly has no max boost though, it will boost as high as cooling will let it.

All those charts are bullshit, having 20 different skus within a 400 bucks price range makes no fucking sense. Somebody is full of shit here. If their 8c16t CPU is supposedly competitive with 6900x it makes no sense to sell it for 60% less. You keep forgetting that AMD isn't a charity company. Either this or Nvidia prices aren't as overpriced as people claim them to be because I don't see AMD selling their 480 for 100 bucks

>>58863564
you had 2 ways to interpret what she said,

1) we want to charge intel money
2) we want to be seen as a great value, not the shit you get when you can't afford something good.

every product launch since then has been pointing to 2 rather than 1

>>58864326
>but that doesn't mean it doesn't work at all
yes it does, partners do not make drivers for it
you can start it up, but you can't do anything useful

>>58864187
People who buy Kaby and Sky are gaming vermin and having 12 or 16 threads with lower clocks and IPC is still worse than having a 4c8t 5ghz Kaby

>>58864375
>it makes no sense to sell it for 60% less
this retarded amerifat logic again, don't you guys have business 101 in high school? how come you don't know shit about economics then?

>>58864336
Intel was sure as fuck cheaper than AMD when AMD performed better

>>58863720
think of how long a quad core can last you... i'm on year 7 of mine, and only the last 2 years i kinda felt the need to upgrade, and most of that is due to ram speed/quantity and motherboard starting to overheat, more so than chip performance on its own.

Looking at how long THAT lasted, i'm willing to hear amd out on the 500-600$ cpu

Tweaktown is now claiming that 1800x will cost 650 dollars. Can you morons stop falling for your own hype?

>>58864408
amd put out a chip that equals intel's 1000$ cpu back then for 300$ then amd made a cpu that was 20% faster then it for 1200, and 40% faster than it for 1500$

amd does not have a consumer cpu that is faster then intel at this point, they just have one that competes with intel's far higher prices skus.

>>58864408
it sounds like your first PC was from 2012

>>58864400
but it's not lower IPC if we look at the blender benchmarks

>>58864428
THAN*****
for fuck sake

>>58864402
The pricing is determined by the amount of units they can produce, the amount of units they can sell, the price of the competition.

Maximize profit and grow market share.

They aren't in a position to be a loss leader, so expect them to get whatever they can get but also whatever will endear them to enthusiasts.

>>58863811
my regret was waiting for them to go back down, then polaris happened and they never went back under 5$... bought in at around 7.50

>>58864418
>what are foreign currencies

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>>58862884
>mfw when I really want AMD to be competitive with intel since intel does a bunch of sabotaging and underhanded piece of shits
Proof b4 the obvious question is asked:

http://www.vanshardware.com/reviews/2002/08/020822_AthlonXP2600/020822_AthlonXP2600.htm

http://www.silicon.co.uk/workspace/dell-pays-65million-to-settle-intel-bribe-probe-8577

Stop bullying AMD, intel

>>58864434
My first PC was an mmx 200 that I put together with money I got from mowing lawns in the 90's

>>58864375
This site is for retailers who buy thousands of the things. There's going to be a markup.

>>58864402
Retards like you are the reason why AMD can't stop being portrayed as a poorfag company that constantly has to pander to poorfags that still won't buy it because they've convinced themselves that they deserve Intel's performance for 1/5th of the price. This boat is sailing for fail.

>>58864375
A chip costs like, 50 or 60 to be made? Intel charges 1000 bucks because NO ONE CAN OFFER ANYTHING LIKE THAT. It is not because it is advanced alien technology.

>>58864451
doesn't matter to me, if the cpus work, awesome, i'm golden, if intel fucks them, then i'm out what... a few thousand dollars in stocks if a court case isn't handled fast.

considering I only invest in something with plans to lose everything anyway, i'm not out essential to life money.

>>58862884
480 £ = 600 usd

>>58864462
Zeppelin dies have a cost of about $25.

>>58863176
They confirmed that they did test on W7 and that it worked, it's just that it will lack some features compared to W10.

>>58864470
$490.29 = $490.29
Fuck off yurocuck with your 30% VAT crap.

>>58864002
intel has never cut prices without an excuse to do so. long ass time ago they had a cpu that was 2000$ and performed good enough to justify it kind of, but the yields were horrific.

once yeilds got good, intel put the price down a bit but largely moved on.

Intel won't cut prices, they will bring out a new lineup, say due to manufacturing advances they are able to dramatically bring the cost of performance down, and that's that.

>>58864472
God damn, didnt new it was that low, was looking into a snapdragon and it costs that. the 400 series can go as low as 10 bucks.

And the worse is he comparing with GPUs wich is a whole packed system, is like a full computer that you put in your PCIE slot. It have the SKU, the VRM, the memories, I/O. I didnt knew that morons where allowed on /g/

>>58864418
$650 is still a great deal for something that's similar to or better than a 6900K. Maybe it's not for everyone but that puts the price almost linear with the amount of cores compared to Intel's 4c8t, $350 cheaper than a 6900K and $150ish cheaper than a 5960X which is on about the same level as the 6900K.

With that said, people buy into hype too much for AMD on this board. They've been fucked so many times in a row that if this was any other company I would be excited, but in this case I'm not sure it's even a coin flip that they're going to pull through. On one hand competition is good but on the other I'm so sick of hearing "wait for Zen" people for years that I somewhat hope it's a Trump election rerun.

>>58864187
It was 8 months ago. I wasn't going to wait 8 months to save $100.

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>>58864505
True, but they didnt have Jim "Cunt Destroyer" Keller before!

>>58863564
LOL look at this faggot

>>58864462 >>58864472
This isn't totally fair because there's research and development plus good salaries to pay, etc. And of course it's easier to play catch up than to innovate. That's part of the reason China's doing well compared to where they "should" be.

They definitely aim to make profit the higher up you go, but when you word it as if only the physical cost of creation matters you'd think these guys are going to be trillionaires by 2020. It's not really honest. We're not talking about wooden chairs someone sketched up in their bedroom and thought might be a good idea.

>>58864613
Anon, shut the fuck up. These things are a given for literally every chip in existence.
The raw cost for a 200mm2 die on a 300mm 14nm wafer with nominal defect density works out to about $25 per chip.

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You'll be able to build a great PC for only 500 dollars

Intel and Nvidia are FUCKING F I N I S H E D

>>58864448
Oh boy you clearly never been buying hardware in EU.

If something costs $300 in USA you can bet your ass it's going to cost 300 Euro in EU or 300 quids in UK. If something costs $300 in USA and has a high demand but low supply you can bet your ass it's going to cost 500 Euro.

>>58864666
>great PC
Not for gaymez
I wonder how will 4/8 overclock given a shitload of tdp headroom though

>>58864666
trips of truth

>>58864666
Thanks, Satan

>>58864700
dubs of confirmation

>>58862964
That's what they said with bulldozer. You faggots were promptly overflowing with cocks to your mouths, then when non-binned samples to reviewers came through, they were then in your assholes.

Wait till they're fucking out before you hypetrain, jesus christ.

>>58864483
such as?

>>58864666
>only 500 dollars

fuck off

>>58865122
Probably certain CPU extensions (encryption, vector, etc.), turbo functions, and scheduling improvements.

>>58865122
scheduling, power management, instruction sets, clock management, crippled m2 ssds as far as I know they do not work very well on w7

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>>58862884
>watching intel sales going on everywhere right now
>wondering what the fuck is going
>see this

>dem UK prices

Just fuck my shit up senpai wake me up from this nightmare

>>58865236
pcpartpicker isn't showing any intel sales happening, care to share?

I hope this is fake desu. I know these are full on 8 cores, not the 1.5 core bullshit. But i still wanted closer to piledriver pricing.

>>58862971
It's a lot for just binning it has to be fake? What was the difference between am 8320 and 8350? Mind you these are thr fuckers that charged a grand for a 5ghz 8350.
>>58862984
That's irrelevant the whole line is unlocked chips.

>>58863083
I almost kind of support this.
I mean from most prospectives it seems trashy, but i care more about dx12 adoption than w7fag feelings so this will help that.

>>58865295
If this is fake the pricing will be higher, not lower.

>>58865319
vulkan adoption is objectively better than dx12 adoption

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>PIB SR2
>WOF
>WOF
>WOF IN
>WOF IN
>WRAITH SPIRE PIB IN

>>58865266
Newegg is offering discount codes and general price cuts for Kaby Lake. Canadian Newegg at least. For example i5 7600k is going for $315CAD ($240USD). $35 cut on a brand new CPU, I think they are trying to lure people in before Ryzen comes out.

>>58865378
Sure but I live in reality.

>>58865416
same for amazon us

>>58862884
>8C 3.8GHz 95W
>same price as 7700K

If it has HT, I can see it being faster than a 7700K in multithread application.

In games and apps that don't make much of many threads and need strong single-core performance, it will perform worse though.

I'm much more interested in what AMD is gonna put up against the Pentium G4560...

>>58865981
>If it has HT, I can see it being faster than a 7700K in multithread application.
Even physical core count alone would allow it to demolish the 7700k in Multithreaded tasks assuming that IPC is within even 30%, which from what we've seen, it most certainly is. Nearly every site to cover Zen has put it at around Broadwell-E levels.

SMT would just be the icing on the cake for multithreaded performance.

>>58866009
I think his point is though, GAYMEN and shit won't use the moar cores.
It's a repeat of piledriver in that regard.
Any other workload it will blow a 7700k tf out.

Is it going to support Windows 8.1? I'm going to be hanging onto W8.1 for a while and I'm not sure when I'll want to update my CPU. More specifically my motherboard since I bought it right before DDR4 RAM took off and it isn't compatible.

>>58866067
Yes but with Bulldozer you were losing a lot of single threaded performance, this time that won't be the case. Even if it has like 5% lower IPC and 10% slower clocks, it'll still be damn close and way, way cheaper than the Intel equivalent.

>>58863083
Wintel, here I come.

At this point I don't really care if Ryzen is great or not, because they scared Intel to the point where they released good stuff, like a Kabylake Pentium with Hyperthreading, Overclockable i3, and soon an i5 with Hyperthreading.

2017 is looking to be a good year to build a PC.

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>>58866067
reminder that 6900k performs the same or better than any intel quadcore in games already. The only reason nobody buys one is because it's 3 or 4 times the price of those quadcores.
If a Ryzen 8 core performs the same and is only $100-$200 more than the quadcore it's a natural choice to buy for a high end rig.

inb4 720p skyrim benchmarks

Remeber the equation faggots:

2 intel cores = 4 amd
4 intel cores = 8 amd
6 intel cores = 12 amd
8 intel cores = 16 amd

We are talking CORES not threads here.

AMDrones kys.

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>>58866295
/g/ being luddite floppy disk in cd-rom retarded as always

>8gb is not worth it
>i7 is not worth it
>144hz is a meme
>4k is a meme

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>>58866342

>>58866295
A lot of the time the higher clock speed should be winning out with a 6700/7700K in games. There are exceptions but it shouldn't be normal. Having more cores lets you do a lot more while keeping 90-95% of the performance in games.

>>58866380
>the higher clock speed
You meant the higher single core perf

Hope this Zen delivers.

I'm looking to upgrade this shitty i5-6600 I regret purchasing.

$200 for a locked Quadcore is highway robbery.

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>>58866380
check some benchmarks. modern games like more cores.

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>>58866361
>>58866342
>Upgraded to 6700k 2 months ago
>Everything runs buttery smooth on my 21:9 1080p uw and 16:9 144mhz/1440p monitors

Feels good man.

>>58866399
Well I mean you were retarded enough to buy a locked 6600 in the first place. You could either spend $40 extra on better mobo and unlocked CPU or $50 less and buy 6400 while buying a z170 mobo and reversing BIOS in order to oc your 6400 to stock 6600 speeds. Either way you deserve to be ass fucked by companies.

>>58862884
>65W TDP vs 95W with just 100MHz more
On the one hand I'm surprised that they managed to put an 8 core within a 65W power envelope, but on the other I'm worried that Zen's clock ceiling might be just that, between 3.8 and 4 GHz.

>>58866528
Looking at those SKUs it looks like non-x CPUs would be unclockable. Still I honestly doubt 1800X is going to run at 4Ghz out of the box, every "leak" said something else.

>>58866543
All Ryzen CPUs are unlocked, overclocking is controlled by the chipset.

>>58862884
If they perform like expected I am fucking buying at day one.
AMD don't fuck this up.

>>58866399
>i5-6600
Its more or less okay.
If you want Zen at least wait till prices will go down, with 6600 you can do that, its not shitty i3 anyway.

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>>58866560
Although with 30 W less TDP to play with, I bet the non-X CPUs won't clock as high. If that's the case, the R5 1600X might be better for gaming than the R7 1700.

>>58866395
Of course.

>>58866408
I've been checking just now and it's looking like they're about even. The 6700K also wins sometimes with modern games. It's closer than I thought.

>>58866410
>144mhz monitors
Oh shit.

>>58866543
The frequencies listed are the turbo frequencies.
We don't know how XFR will influence that though.

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>>58866009
>Even physical core count alone

Nah, look at the AMD FX-8350. It's barely faster than the $60 Pentium G4560.

It is an 8-core with 4GHz!

AMD would over 60%(!!) IPC improvement just to get on the same level of the 7700K.

>>58866643
Zen is a 40% IPC improvement over Excavator. Excavator was a 20% IPC improvement over Vishera
you do the maths.

>>58866715
It was actually "at least 40%" and an AMD engineer said in a presentation their most recent estimate was 58% better IPC than Excavator.

>>58863384
Initially? Nothing. You'll have to wait for SR5 and SR3, iirc, they were supposed to be the 6c/12t and 4c/4t Ryzen CPUs.

>>58866604
TDP doesn't matter when you OC.

>>58867111
It does if the parts are binned.

>>58862884
Will they have something to compete with the i5 ? I don't need better and won't spent more than 200-250€

and it will have worse performance than sandybridge.

>>58867129
Don't the better binned chips have lower TDP? This was the case with FX lineup, where 8320e was one of the best overclocking CPUs.

>>58864693
I am willing to bet I would be able to play ut4 with the 6c/12t ones with an xfx 480 so yes for gaymez

>>58867150
Yes, SR3 (4 core) and SR5 (6 core) versions are being released too.

>>58866339
if we're talking about bulldozer, then yes.

>>58862884
>8 core
>£500

Are you kidding me? Fuck these kike tier prices.

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>>58867264
The cheaper one is ~£300. Intel's equivalent is over £1000 you mong.

>>58867150
yes

>>58863811
>>58864444
My only regret is not buying any at all. I hope it drops again so I can get like 500 shares.

whew amdrones and intel shills afraid the top tier r7 1800x will be under 1k? nice joke.. dont forget tax.

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>>58867510
according to multiple leaks it's under $500 vat included. try again.

>tfw intel has been jewing us for so long we actually forgot the true value of a high end desktop cpu.

>>58863083
>>58863099
>>58863176
>>58864095

Wait, why does a CPU even need a driver? Are we talking about the chipset, or what?

Zen IPC = Broadwell E IPC

Is this true?
I find this very difficult to believe.

That would mean £235 cpu from OP beats stock 5960X in single thread performance?

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>>58867622
AMD has already delivered proof that it IPC in on par with Intel. It's all up the the clock speed now.

>>58867622
Meant 6900K*

>>58867622
Yeah it seems to be around there. Bear in mind that Skylake and Kaby Lake IPC is only 3-5% faster than Broadwell too.

The AMD 8 cores will have higher base clocks than the i7-6900K and therefore around the same performance for way less cost. Whether they overclock as well is unknown.

>>58863435
>using an 8 year old OS in 2017.

>>58867635
>>58867643

So less than $300 cpu equals $1000 cpu, what the fuck?

When does this drop?
I'm waiting for some reviews first.

It's Bulldozer all over again. All those cores but not enough single thread performance.

>>58867660
In about three weeks. The era of stagnation is over baby. Intel is already working on a completely new micro-architecture for 2020, finally leaving core behind.

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>>58867660
You're surprised Intel has been massively overpricing their shit due to their monopoly?

>>58866408
How the hell is the 5775C faster than the 6700K? Must be a fluke.

>>58867671
Clearly not. It'll be at worst 5% lower IPC. Bulldozer was far worse than that and overpriced.

>>58867671
Have you not been paying attention at all?

>>58867671
Nigger, 40%+ IPC increase over faildozer. Go home intel drone. It's an Intel Extreme Edition for 300 to 600 bucks, except without the frequent socket changes.

>>58867671
No, AMD's stupid CMT didn't help their woes.

>>58867583
You know the chipset drivers that come in a CD with your mobo? That's it. They mean they tested the CPU and Windows 7 boots and works with the generic drivers minus some advanced features, but they're not going to write new/updated drivers for Win7.

>>58867684
The 128MB of EDRAM makes a huge difference in some, but certainly not all, applications.

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>>58862884

Doesn't matter, they are not building a US factory like Intel is about to.

I was waiting for AMD Zen ever since it first was announced but I'm gonna go with Kaby Lake now

>>58867719
So does each chipset require a specific proprietary protocol or what? Why even have UEFI then?

>>58867583
The CPU has a PCIE controller/NVMe controller, USB 3.0 controller, SATA controller and possibly some other IO.

>>58867738
It's out in three weeks you fucking shill.

>>58867738
They manufacture in an US factory (New York), you stupid trumpet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlobalFoundries#Fab_8

>>58867782
Yeah, but why do you even need a driver for those? Can't you expose that functionality through UEFI and leave the specific implementation to the firmware? All the OS has to do in such a case is to query a generic UEFI interface to scan for and enable the functionality.

>>58867791
>inb4 not USA because state voted blue

>>58867743
It's not exactly the chipset, it's the drivers for the SATA controllers, USB controllers, onboard audio/LAN, ACPI/power/energy management and all that stuff. Both Windows and Linux come with a bunch of pre-installed generic drivers for most of that stuff. What they mean is that, without specialized drivers, newer stuff like m.2 support might be spotty or power management not as extensive but the essential stuff will work OOTB

>>58867728
I thought EDRAM only matters if you use the iGPU?

>>58867804
Blue states = cuck states MAGA MAGA MAGA

>>58867812
Got it. Is there any reason why the information required for writing such a driver isn't public? How do linix devs do it? Reverse engineering everything? Or rather, what's so special about the windows 10 driver model that the drivers wouldn't work on older versions? Why aren't drivers backwards compatible?

>>58867804
>not USA because state voted blue
I dont like when someone brings /pol/ to /g/, but kekked at this one, thanks anon

GET YOUR AMD STOCK NOW BOYS

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>>58867800
That stuff has not been handled by BIOS since DOS days, that is slow.

However it could perhaps work with Microsoft's class drivers and generic storage driver. We'll see soon. I'd say you don't need to fear much, if you want the CPU, there will probably be ways to install it even if it requires some minor hacking.

Slightly unrelated, but -
Fuck this I have Sandy Bridge but Intel has cut the GPU support already.
>They add custom framerate support into driver after 5 years of having that broken and empty promises.
>Haswell only
>in 2017

>>58866295
This benchmark looks bottlenecked by the gpu. I would imagine that the beefier cpus would perform better.

>>58867738
Might be worth your time to read an article rather than a headline.

Intel already has a plant in Arizona. They've investing $7b in it to build a new node.

>>58867849
>That stuff has not been handled by BIOS since DOS days, that is slow.
Why is firmware slower than software? That doesn't make sense.

>>58867830
>How do linix devs do it? Reverse engineering everything?
Some times they're reverse engineered, some other times it's a shoddily hacked together solution and some others the manufacturer actually provides drivers for linux, either open source or binary blobs. The rest of your questions I'm not completely sure about but I guess the Win7 and Win10 kernels are different enough to need different sets of drivers.

>>58867882
So why aren't people reverse engineering the windows driver model to make windows 10 drivers work with windows 7?

>>58867812
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/

Compare the Skylake vs Kaby drivers. See if you can live without any of that stuff.

>>58867892
It will probably work with the official drivers force-installed, or with drivers from MS.

Too big task to make a new set FOSS way (and then get it signed).

>>58867913
So what is all this outrage about? It's not like Windows 7 would refuse to boot. Also with all the push towards open source from Microsoft lately, do you think we will see an open source windows within our lifetimes?

>>58867924
Go look up xHCI and why you would want that functionality after you get w7 installed

>>58867838
HOW?

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>>58862884
MFW Jewtel BTFO

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>>58863709
>use 8.1 or 10 goys
leave

>>58865449
then fucking force reality to change god damnit, microsoft can't get more than 30% win 10 usage by making it fucking free, perfect time to go vulcan.

Has anyone shown pricing of the 4core Ryzen?

>>58863083
From guy who works in OEM/retail:

"The am4 board we have for testing [Ryzen] has drivers for Windows 7"

So AMD is launching R3 (4 core 8 t), R5 (6c12t), R7 (8c16t)

Since R7 pricing is leaked, we can probably assume R5 6c12t variants will start at 200-300 range. R3 will probably start from $100-200 range.

>>58868094
>Nobody wants Vista or DX10, perfect moment to ditch it and go OpenGL.

>>58867819
nah on broadwell it's presented as an L4 cache to the cpu as well or some shit

>>58868128
opengl at the time was behind
its implementation was shit on half the gpus and the other half it wasnt good

vulcan on the other hand, is clearly better then dx12,

>>58863435
why would a modern company support a defunct OS?

>>58866642
amd has no turbo max though

>>58868145
>clearly better then dx12
How? The way I see it it's at best on par.
("multi-platform" deosn't mean better from technical pov)

>>58868175
>on par with dx12 on on performance
>multiplat

That makes it superior, doesn't it?

>>58868175
Are there any games that look better then doom? As far as I can tell its the only real 4k ready game.

Not only that, at 4k its likely the only game that pulls in nearly 100fps on a titan x.

not only that, both nvidia and amd gpus benefit from it.

multiplatform is icing on the cake, but as far as I can see, vulcan beats the fuck out of dx12

>>58863099
Who is this beautiful woman ?

>>58865295
>That's irrelevant the whole line is unlocked chips.
wrong

>>58867575
most of us never did, but they got ramed in the ass with no lube for so long, they started bleeding, then after a few years of the constant fucking, it started feeling good. now amd lets you do HIM in the ass, and if you want to take it he provided lube? if intelfags didn't beleive its a lie or it cant be good, that would mean that they were raped, and that just cant be the case, it feels so good and they like the color red and how it reflects light when it touched their legs from the other side of the bared window.

>>58868204
>Are there any games that look better then doom? As far as I can tell its the only real 4k ready game.
Look depends on textures, budget, shaders, art, not primarily on the qualitties of teh underlying graphic API.

Performance also stems primarily form the specific code quality and effort given.

>>58862948
INTEL SHILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

>>58865981
Hyperthreading is good when you run a thread that uses the FPU and a thread that uses the ALU or any unoptimized program that runs on multiple cores but makes a lot of cache misses.

Do you retards not learn from their previous history? as in the 480 gpu, how it was claimed as good as the 980ti and close to the 1080.
Im screenshotting all these posts so when they release and the truth comes out I can repost them and laugh

>>58866339
I didn't know my intel processor has 8 amds inside. I should have invested in those mini amds.

>>58868260
Nobody but falseflaging nvidiots claimed the things you are stating

>>58868281
Always blaming everyone else & wont admit the truth, it gets better

>>58868220
>woman
Not even once.

>>58866408
>1280x720
There will be almost no difference if you play at normal resolution.

>>58868291
Eat a dick faggot
$500 for 6900k performance is awesome

>>58868241
The FPUs have their own load/store ports ( 2+2 ) and scheduler queues independent of the AGU/ALU setup which executes integer code. Hyperthreading has nothing to do with FPU/Int simultaneous execution.

You, like 98% of this board, are retarded and everything you write is incorrect.

>>58865981
>I'm much more interested in what AMD is gonna put up against the Pentium G4560...

Dis.

That thing having 2C/4T with good performance at 70$ is class. I want to see if AMD can pull something similar or even a legit, unicorned market banger 4C CPU for less than 99$

>>58868295
What are you talking about ? She clearly has the eyes of a woman and clearly is a woman

>>58868281
This

>>58866410
>tfw no 14:4 aspect ratio
>tfw no 1440k CPU

>>58868309
Best you can do? and its all guess on these at the moment as theyre not out.
Deluded mong

>>58866361
How weird my non k 4670 runs Blood and Wine faster than that

>>58868334
Blender test is somehow invalid because?

>>58862884
Those are distributor prices tho. You need to include vat + store profit.

>>58868352
Fuck Blender, if the result from Handbrake in the december event is legit, that's awesome.

>>58868352
Im sorry does blender test give you the rrp of one of these shipped? I cant see that anywhere

>>58868357
The third set of prices where 1800X costs 480 pounds might be with VAT. Margin for reseller is usually 10%.

>>58868313
Are you retarded? What I said is if you have a HPC workload that only needs integer arithmetic you can also run a second HPC workload that only uses the FPU and gain a performance increase.

>this thread
>everyone talking about the 8c/16t chips
>not talking about the 6c/12t
lets be honest here guys, the 6 core is going to be price DIRECTLY at competing with mainstream i7. and, kek willing, since they have to diable the cores, we will see the glorious days of unlocking 2 extra cores come back, as we've seen with some of the more recent amd gpu, ie. 290>290x, fury>fury x, 460>460+
if i can get a 6c/12t cpu for 200-300 that unlocks to an 8c/16t thats already a killer deal, but it gets better
looking at some of the leaked slides about the power delivery/monitoring it looks like ryzen is going to be an oc monster. PLUS if you can use the machine learning OC algo on top of a manual OC to take advantage of all of those extra sensors and great power design, we're looking at crazy OC potential, with relatively low heat, given that 8c/16t ryzen is at the same as a 4c/8t intel in terms of tdp
>tfw amd releases a god tier, 85w tdp 6c/12t cpu i can unlock to 8c/16t and oc from 3.4 to 4.8 for 200 bucks
literally gonna be unstoppable value from certified SHIT WRECKER keller

>>58868374
Desperately searching for arguments?

Wait till the 4790k spanks them in single core tests.

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>>58866410
>he fell for 2 meme monitors at once

>>58868452
That's really stretching things, Anon

>>58868452
Ryzen 7 1700 seems to be already price competitive with i7-7700K

Will lose in ST but dominate Kaby in MT.

>>58868313
Here's a question.

I have an embarassingly parallel program.

I run it on my 4 core 2 threads desktop. It finishes in 5 minutes.
I run it on my 2 core 4 threads laptop. It finishes in 5 minutes.
The desktop is 3 years older than the laptop.

Why is the laptop almost as fast as the desktop?

>>58868454
Nope I said its still a guessing game with them, theres no price, you cant literally say that just off that blender test you can say how good the cpu is.
Until its out & its been put under different tests in different situations you dont know exactly how good they are

>>58868462
My skylake can do that already
>>58868499
Without knowing your specs, or program its just a guessing game

>>58868499
>4 core 2 threads

>>58868544
I never said I'm not stupid.

>>58868476
i know, but to an extent it lines up
i would take a 6c/12t 3.4ghz for 250 that oc's to 4.5 on a good dual tower air cooler though, even without the extra
im just saying i think its definitely possible that it overclocks that good, is unlockable, and is priced in that range. with 3 6 core chips priced between 220-350 they effectively kill the i7 and i5 range, meaning that the 8 core chips can drive profit and the 4 core can grab even more market smacking the i3 around. that way they keep the value brand marketing which worked like gangbusters with polaris, and get value back as competitive and professional products on the high end
>>58868498
i do think it will lose in ST, but not by much, and dominate with multi thread. as long as ryzen OC by that small bit more than kaby, which looks like it may, it'll be one hell of a fight

>>58868544
>2 girls 1 cup

He probably meant 2 threads per core

>>58868553
>2girls 1 cup
That reminds me of that awesome idea to create a spinoff of this and bowl girl.

>>58867658
has microsoft released a worthwhile os sense 7? has linux become a real option and not just a toy?

>>58868527
8% quicker, hardly worth the price of a skylake.
I really hope this jolts intel into gear and we get a decent improvement on the next cpu's.
No point in going to skylake for such small jjumps

new HAPPENING thread when

>>58868499
almost all of intels advancements came in the form of power saving.

>>58868306
because then you are gpu bottlenecked, this is just showing the game is threaded.

>>58867819
It also works as victim L4 cache.

What's the i5 7600k equivalent gonna cost?

>>58868095
There won't be any 4c Summit Ridges coming out for now, but the upcoming Raven Ridges (2H) will be dropped at identical price points that their current APUs have been for ages, i.e top of the line 4c/8t Zen APU+mobo for $200, Athlon X4 equivelant no igpu 4c/8t for ~$80 and everything in between. Intel is finished.

>>58865088
they didnt have Jim "Pussy Crusher" Keller back then

>>58868713
Skylake isn't even 5% on average faster than Broadwell.

>>58868736
I know, man, just saying.

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>>58868815

For somebody who uses the CPU mainly for gaming, I do not see any benefits of more cores.

Very few games are even optimized for 4 cores nowadays.
When not stressing the CPU, efficiency plays a major role.

I do not want a moneyburner when I am simply browsing the net, listening to some music.

>>58869010
Seems that for gaming usage, Intel could strike back by adding eDRAM to a i7-7700K-like CPU. It will still be potato for multithreaded compute tasks, but lots of games would benefit - and it would be unique selling point.

How lucky that Intel management sucks these past few years.

>>58869604
eDRAM is hella expensive though, Intel don't want to give up their sweet sky-high margins.

>>58863083
BTFO
T
F
O

>>58862903
but that's a good thing. zen's first gen architecture, if even remotely competitive, is going to crush the competition in the coming gens. that's how tech works dumpass.

>>58868220
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