SSDs and torrenting + modern PC usage

torrent to a different drive you shit head

>>58861739
Spinning rust drives are even worse and die even faster from torrent client abuse, you dumbfuck.

>>58861728
How many average writes per block?

>>58861749
Except that's wrong, shit for brains. Kill yourself.

>>58861771
not an argument.

feel free to prove me wrong with FACTS. link some studies and don't engage in pre-school "arguing though insults."

>>58861728
Conventional drives in raid 1, 6 or 10. if you use software raid make sure to leave 200mb or so partitioned on each drive to compensate for the typical size differences between hard drive brands, if you use hardware raid make sure you use the same controller if you migrate to a new system.

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>>58861728
SSDLife program can tell you estimated life of SSD.

Torrent to a ram disk.

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>>58861794

>>58861893
unless they only torrent one thing at a time or have an insane amount of ram, that is just going to get written to swap, defeating the point.

>>58861893
Definitely doesn't work. You have to sync. And what happens when you have a crash?

>>58861794
>>58861749
Feel free to tell me the main cause of SSD degradation to prove you actually know anything on this subject at all.

>>58861739
this. i'm hardly tech literate and even i know this. ssds aren't for constant writing. unless you don't mind buying them often.

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>>58861890
>SSD Drive
Nice RAS Syndrome

>>58861749
>Spinning rust drives are even worse and die even faster from torrent client abuse, you dumbfuck.

What the hell? I've seen a lot of stupid shit on /g/ but this takes the cake. Everyone knows that SSDs can't handle lots of writing.

Who knows for sure if Chrome already fixed the SSD wearing issue?

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>>58862087
dunno about chrome but my drive is fine after years of using firefox.

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>>58862087
>Who knows for sure if Chrome already fixed the SSD wearing issue?
it hasn't as of now.

>>58862109
>fine after years of using firefox
kek'd. FF is a killer of SSDs.

https://www.servethehome.com/firefox-is-eating-your-ssd-here-is-how-to-fix-it/

BEWARE of the "fix" they propose at the end of the article... you'll lose your data if you set that setting!!! Wait for the fix instead.

>>58862173
>FF is a killer of SSDs.
Why isnt my SSD dead yet then?

The only thing you can do is spread write-intensive programs on two or three different SSDs.
I also fell for the "le it will last longer than you xD" reddit meme. I probably write close to if not more than 200gb a day and all I do is browse the internet, watch youtube videos and play a game here and there. Chrome writes like crazy and streaming videos obviously writes a lot of data too depending on stream quality.

>>58862194
how old is it? it has def reduced its lifetime.

anyway, that's a ridiculous argument. you're either denying that SSDs have limited lifetimes or you're denying that FF has serious sync issues and writes gigs of data per hour. both of these can be easily confirmed which completely nulifies your argument.

>>58862245
>how old is it? it has def reduced its lifetime.
i posted it here u tard: >>58862109

>you're either denying that SSDs have limited lifetimes or you're denying that FF has serious sync issues and writes gigs of data per hour
no, im denying FF having a huge impact on MY drive's life

I'm sure glad I never fell for the SSD meme.

>>58862264
that app cannot be fully trusted. SSDs often die with SMART at 100%.

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/M2M/html/whitepaper/whitepaper.html

>>58862320
your life is a meme

>>58862383
what should i use then?

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>>58862320
>I'm sure glad I never fell for the SSD meme.
what HDD do you have? I bet it fails sooner than SSDs.

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>>58862400
that whitepaper says to use wear leveling count to figure out how many write cycles are left, or read calculated variables such as SSD Life Left/ Percentage of the Rated Lifetime Used.

>>58861728
you're a moron for torrenting from your SSD

>>58862430
too much work. i've already gotten almost 5 years use out of this so i'm fine.

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>>58862438
what should I be using? please do tell me. holographic storage device?

>>58862459
An HDD, you dingus.

>>58862408
7200rpm HDD. Never had a drive fail on me ever, even after using them heavily for 6 years straight. Shit, my old PC ran from 2004 till 2014 before I replaced it, and the drive was still chugging along.

>>58861728
If youre on Win7 and it doesn't detect your SSD correctly it can fuck it with automatic defrags/cleanups

>>58862510
>an

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>>58862530
MTBF of spinning rust disks is ridiculously smaller than that of SSDs. And a small bump into the side of your PC and the disk is ruined.

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>>58861728
you are truly a fucking idiot. I mean, you have like a lot of other clueless idiots spouting the "ssds are a meme" meme but it's actually somebody that actually believes it has evidence just because it's an ignorant nigger and comes here and makes a fucking thread about it's what takes the cake.
Get in your mom's boyfriend garage and turn the keys to the minivan on and just end this. End it, there is no peace for you in this world.

>>58862533
>If youre on Win7
win7 is literally outdated at this point. no one should be using it with modern equipment.

>>58862534
Are you an idiot or do you say "Hard Disk Drive" every time you see HDD?

>>58862530
>7200rpm HDD

Model number?

>>58861749
Just end yourself, familia

They will never increase SSD maximum writes because that would mean your SSD lasts longer thus decreasing their sales in the long run. Your electronics *need* to break in a few years so they can make more money off you.

>>58862569
Go spread your misinformation on /v/ or something.
No one here is buying it.

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>>58861728
Just get a 3D NAND SSD like me and set OP to 35%

Brute-force ftw

>>58862589
doesnt matter, you can say a HDD aswell

>>58862582
No shit but people still use it

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>>58862648
>>58862582
>still gets security updates
>still get hardware support by AMD
>outdated

>>58862615
They're doing a pretty bad job of it if that was their intention.
Even in cases of sheer stupidity like OPs it would still take 2 or more years to break which is better than consumer HDDs often turn out to be, but in standard use, the medium and larger capacity drives can easily last over 10 years.

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>>58862631
>Go spread your misinformation on /v/ or something.
>No one here is buying it.
SSD MTBFs is NOWHERE even close, retard!

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>>58862693
>AMD is wrong and a child company

>>58862714
Okay, so? You've got 2 choices with consumer data storage.
Something that predictably but suddenly fails based on how much data is written to it
Or somehting that randomly but slowly fails based on time it's powered on.
If you choose the first one for something with a high write load that's on you, that doesn't make it wrong for other people to use somehting that is cheaper per GB and on average more tolerant to that kind of work load.
Your priorities are just weird.

>>58861728
Post stats or GTFO.

I think its just another shitty troll thread, but whatever.

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>>58862801
>shitty troll thread
which part is wrong? which part is trolling? have you even read the rest of the thread for citations and pics?

>>58861749
retard

>>58861728
Im pretty sure you have ShadowGaymPlay enabmed on ur SSD, probably why it dies so fast

>>58861728
Torrent with different software. You can configure many clients to write full blocks rather than tons of 16k chunks

>>58864062
>butthurt
the post

>>58864102
Not him but which torrent clients are SSD-friendly? I don't think any of them are. uTorrent is probably really bad and any based on libtorrent is probably mildly better but still horrible.

>>58864102
none of that is hitting the NAND until a flush

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>SSDs can last 10+ years of constant 24/7 writing they said

>>58864503

No one said that. But they last longer than HDDs for sure.

If you use youtube-dl plus mpv to watch videos, is there a cache somewhere on your disk?

>>58864163
>none of that is hitting the NAND until a flush
could you or someone else explain to me what TRIM does? I read wikipedia but it's over my head.

>>58861890
is this free? the website tells me to order

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CAN CONFIRM

>>58864552
>>58864552
I think it does but I could be wrong. I believe it creates a temp file.

if you think about it, how else would it combine vid+audio tracks and pass the file pointer to mpv...

>>58864580
trial version

OP why are you torrenting on an SSD? Put your OS on a 100gig SSD and store files on a HDD.

Which begs the question, why are you using Spotify if you torrent?

>>58864560
(1)
>computer to sdd: write X to somewhere in Z
>hdd: I copy the beginning of Z to SPARE
>hdd: I copy X to SPARE
>hdd: I copy the end of Z to SPARE
>hdd: I rename Z to OLDZ, and SPARE to Z
>hdd: I erase OLDZ at my leisure and add it to my SPARE list

(2)
>computer to ssd: TRIM Z
>hdd: I rename Z to OLDZ
>hdd: I erase OLDZ at my leisure and add it to my SPARE list

(3)
>computer to sdd: write X to somewhere in Z
>hdd: as there isn't a Z, I allocate one from my SPARE list
>hdd: I copy X to the right place in Z

Without TRIM you will only see (1).
With TRIM you will also see (3).

>>58864705
fascinating! thank you so much.

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>>58861728
>be me
>have an old HDD that has a few reallocated sectors already
>use it as a place to store stuff I download via bittorrent
>hash check downloads before opening, if anything is corrupted (which happened only once so far) move it to a fully healthy HDD and have the corrupted parts redownloaded and thus fixed
>that HDD will probably soon die but once it does redownloading everything that was stored on it won't be a problem (euro"poor" here, no data caps, ISP doesn't give a fuck about copyrigtht claims)
Does any of you anons have a better idea for what to do with a dying hard drive?

>>58864814
Just keep it on 24/7 until it dies or the power goes out, then im pretty sure it will be dead.

>>58864551
No one uses SSDs for heavy storage like this, kiddo. Because they can't handle 24/7 writing for 40.000hrs like a good HDD can.

>>58861728
I have been using SSDs for torrenting for years. Literary tens of terabytes written.

Stop buying cheap shitty SSDs.


Obviously if you don't (poorfag or whatever) just stick to HDDs for torrenting.

>>58864814
burn to cheap blurays?

>>58865488
>Stop buying cheap shitty SSDs.
whats good shit?

>>58861771

you are wrong. tests show that the 850 pro ssd will outlive you lol.

>>58865715
what about Samsung SSD 850 EVO ?

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Almost 6 years old, currently in a raid 0 with another.
Giving zero fucks.

>>58861749
fucking shit

>>58865881

Always buy PRO

>>58861728

1 full day of torrenting, drive life dropped by 1-2%

def torrenting, nothing else

ff
browser.cache.disk.enable false
new integer
disk.cache.memory.capacity 32768

>>58865937
>Always buy PRO
what if I can't afford it?

I don't even know why you'd shill against SSD's but this is to silly you must be one.
>since they do millions of small 16KB writes
Nigga they write in chuncks, usually around a meg.
Either way, fuck you torrenting to an SSD for, and a 5GB torrent having each 16kb segment of it written to is only ever gonna cause two writes.
>Spoify
Dunno lol. Yay streaming.
Either way my mac usually writes 100's of GB an hour to SSD, basically every hour. for the last three years, and it's fine. A 128GB SSD so far at 72TB of writes, or 600x full disk writes. On top of this most of the writes where probably on 10GB of the disk, for ram and caches.
Show me those stats that you drive has over 600x its size in writes.

>>58862050
>Solid State Disk Drive
>Hard Drive

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>>58865976
>Solid State Disk
>Disk
>DISK

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>>58865976
>Solid State Disk Drive
>disk

what did he mean by this

>>58865996
That's not RAS syndrome though. It's just, oh fuck.
Is it solid state drive?
SSD drive being solid state drive drive?
No such thing as a solid state disk?

>>58866005
>No such thing as a solid state disk?
Not him but there is no solid state disc, as implied by the term "solid state". See >>58866004
I don't see no discs in that drive yo.

>>58866147

I'm pretty sure you just repeated what the post you're quoting said.

>>58865892
This was my experience as well and I torrented and did other stuff constantly. What do you guys own exactly? My 840 Evo stayed in perfect condition no matter what I did to it. Then again all my hard drives do, I've never had one die. Even 10+ year old ones are still fine. Either I'm lucky or people do weird shit like toss drives around.

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>>58864587

O-ok. ;__;

>>58866004
he probably meant a hybrid drive, ssd/hd mix is a thing

>>58866717

Yes, and they're called SSHD. Still no "disk" in SSD.
And no, he didn't.

>>58862173
Should I do this fix in the article?

>>58862871
Yes. Where is the proofs. None.

>>58861728
are you using windows or linux?
If windows which one?

There are certian precautions you need to take, such as disabling the logging of file access times in fstab.

I quit windows because a process kept calling svchost and would do a shit ton of read/writes per second. So much that I could actually hear the drives moving. Id did this every time I would walk away for 10 minutes and it would stop the second I touched my mouse.
This was clean win7. This behavior was persistant through several installs for years.

The day I switched to linux was the last day I heard my drive make noise.

SSDs are shit. I warned you all. I fucking warned you.

Sitting here with ages old HDDs doing just fucking fine. And my new HDDs aren't any fucking slower than your skewed fake benchmark SSDs and boot and load just as fast or very nearly so.

SSDs are bullshit, a fucking placebo, and made to take money out of the pockets of fucking fools.

Congrats, /g/, you fell for yet another modern "technology" clusterfuck.

>>58867077
I use an ssd for os + temporary storage.
It makes dealing with large files so much more managable.
Compiling unreal on the ssd cut the time down measurably.

>>58866211
>>O-ok. ;__;
Anon, you're basically fucked. That drive seems to be total piece of shit that can fail at any tiem. If I were you, I'd back up ALL THE TIME. Like 2x a day at the very least.

>>58867077
Write speeds and read speeds aren't a placebo. No moving parts so no noise isn't a placebo. HDDs are pretty much plateauing and have been for a few years now, whereas SSDs still have a great distance to go. They can decrease the fab size, implement new controllers .etc. All you can do is make your disk spin faster and reposition your partitions at the start of the drive to max out rotational velocidensity.

>>58866759
no. don't fuck with browser settings. wait for them to fix it instead like that guy said.

>>58866878
>>58866211

Sandisk and Kingston are shit.

>>58867077

Moving from HDD to SSD for your system drive is the single most meaningful upgrade you can make at this point in time.
You're a poorfag troglodyte. And I don't mean it in the lol-you-didn't-spend-$500-on-your-gpu-what-a-poorfag sense, I mean it literally, you're a bitter poorfag who denies the benefit of an upgrade just because he can't afford it.

>my new HDDs aren't any fucking slower than your skewed fake benchmark SSDs and boot and load just as fast

Objectively false.

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>>58866211
>>58866878
kek

>>58867041


You retard, on a clean&updated win7/8 install you still need to disable scheduled tasks and shit like automatic defrag and indexing and so on. Ofcourse theres constant disk activity when you got by default 12 scheduled tasks to run and their trigger is "when computer is idle"


Fuck you're retarded.

>>58867492
Atleast I dont repeat myself, fag.

>>58862569
>tfw ive dropped spinning hdds in laptops and music players and watch them slide along the floor
never had an issue.

>>58867667
It's not surprising, if HDDs were that fragile portable drives wouldn't survive a week in the real world.

>>58861728
SSDs are one of the best upgrades from this era everyone thats still using a HHD are poorfags,

I understand that you can't buy a mac, but a SSD??

>>58861728
>put a ssd in my main machine in 2011
>do torrenting, use spotify
>2011+6
>still doing it's job without any problems
take your memes somewhere else.

>>58862530
I ruined one disk, and that was one I put into an external enclosure (it was a full sized 3.5" one) with a vertical stand. I accidentally bumped it over a few times.

>>58861728
I don't even know what Spotify is. But anyone who knows how torrenting works knows that doing it on your SSD is a bad idea. Blame your own computer illiteracy.

>>58861749
what did he mean by this?

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>>58861728
>tfw 512GB 950 PRO with almost 100TB written and still at 95% life expectancy
If it really bullshit or are NVMe SSDs somehow more resilient?

>>58861728
I bought a cheap ass Sandisk 240gb ssd. 9 months later doing all sort of things on it smart says it is all good. You bought a bad ssd there, try a MRA.

>>58861728
stop using shitty software, monitor your torrenting. also, it's 2017. seriousl, you're still torrenting? quit using spotify. as for your browsers, i've never seen them do this unless you are using it constantly for downloading lots of garbage. maybe switch to presto opera for reduced crap.