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Why aren't you studying EE/CS? Why aren't you designing

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Why aren't you studying EE/CS?

Why aren't you designing your own custom electronics?
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>>58849387
Because I wasted my live on 4chan.
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> falling into the meme of having a job
it's all a ruse. the secret is to do the least possible for the least money.
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>>58849615
Why not the most for the most money? :)
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>want custom brushless motor controller
>Try to pay EEs to do it
>They all fail or give up
>I'll just teach my self to build it
>Everytime I ask EEs a question they give me incorrect answers
>End up paying some ukranian to help me, solves everything and teaches me to correct last few issues.
What is wrong with western EEs? It took me about 6 months to go from no experience to functional prototype, they have some phobia of power electronics.
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>>58849387
I'm still not sure what I want to do, but I've been leaning towards astrophysics.
>Why aren't you designing your own custom electronics?
I'm actually working on this, after I build a few Z80 and/or 68k computers I'm going to tweak the designs and eventually try designing my own.
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>>58849387
>Those fucking traces
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I'm a mechanical engineer.

Currently taking Circuits and its killing me. Professor has shitty office hours and doesn't do enough examples for the homework so I have to use the Internet for half of it. I've never been good at grasping Circuits. Shit is complicated to me
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How do I get into EE and tinkering? I have some exposure from college labs but it was all easy handholding stuff.
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>>58849629
because no one got rich paying their employees the most money
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Making things do things they weren't supposed to do is much more fun than making things to do things they're supposed to do.
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>>58849387
>Why aren't you studying EE/CS?
I am, CS.

>Why aren't you designing your own custom electronics?
I'm not a hardware designer, but I do sometimes fiddle around with VHDL and entry-level analogue electronics at home for fun.
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>>58852197
So, you like inserting things in your butthole professionally
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>>58849387
Computer Engineering master race.

CS will make you a shitty developer with a shitty job.
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>>58852230
Yes.
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>>58849852
Pay peanuts get monkeys
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>>58852009
Came to post this. Muh OCD.
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CS with focus in computer architecture here. loling my ass off at the in-between CompE fags who aren't good at neither CS nor EE.
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>>58849387
What is that?
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Electronics don't interest me.
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>>58852341
> loling my ass off at the in-between CompE fags who aren't good at neither CS nor EE

You are even worse. you got a shitty tier degree and shifted it into nothing. Now you aren't even a CS

Not to mention your degree. As a scientist, you are bond to shitty jobs. As an engineer, you have the title of an engineer. You have much wider options.

How can you be so retarded? Bad choice, anon.
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>>58849387
Do not waste time on CS.

Get physic/math degree with high amount of cs related math.

Learn C, Python and Java/C# in free time + book on algorithms and you are going to be better at programming that 95% cs students.

When you will have to learn something cs related you will find it easy, because CS evolved from math and every single thing in CS is just math with few layers of objects.
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>>58852377
>computer scientists gets jobs as scientists

Not anon, but computer scientists usually gets jobs as engineers.
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>>58849852
Fucking this.
I'm working on my own business and now that I have software + firmware side nearly finalised I decided its time to get custom board designed so that I can eventually start manufacturing it. Since I specialise in software and have little EE knowledge I decided it would be best to just get an actual EE to design everything properly. I went to 4 EEs (UK) and they all had started shitting themselves when I said I want to have a high quality ADC and DAC audio path around ARM CPU. I eventually went to this Polish EE guy and he didn't even ask any bullshit questions and seemed to know exactly what I had in mind when I showed him my shit tier block diagram. I received first prototype version of the board from him last week and to my surprise everything works like it should.
I don't know if its western EEs who are complete retards or whether its some slavic superpower but I agree with you.
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>>58852590
Western EEs who have to that kind of contract work take contract work for a reason - they are too shit to get any other type of work.
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>>58849387
My life and time is too precious to waste on mathematics and doing grand things. I realized long ago I am only good for being a mediocre salaryman. Just earn some money, watch anime and shitpost on /g/ for a good time.
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>EE/CS
>Not ECE
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because computers are a hobby
there is no automation for academia
comp lit major tyvm
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CS > CE
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>>58849387
Would I be able to do computer work with a pure EE degree or am I limited to only analogue related stuff?
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>>58852409
>Though about feeding the troll, typed a lot of text which would have fed the troll, deleted all that text as to not feed the troll, have a nice day!
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>>58853820
In an EE degree you will normally go over a lot of C code since its usefull for prorgamming a lot of mircro controllers that do ur EE shit. So yes you can do programming type stuff too if you want.
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>>58854615
How is it a troll post?

Manual labor is going to lose jobs due to robots in near future, robots may cost more but can work 24/7 without mistakes.

In IT is going simialr hurricane when they will create semi-AI, all pajeets coding forms in Java are going to be jobless.

If you want to have good, high salary and secure job in future you should focus on math and choose one of field:
>machine learning
>ai
>big data.
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>>58855233
Math and programming do not compromise CS. There is much, much more to CS. Mathematics are a very big part of the studies, but you'll miss a lot if you only do math+programming languages.

Your claim that robots can work 24/7 without mistakes proves this for me. They are advantagous, but they are not by far capable of replacing humans, and won't be in the near future.

Big data is a hype atm , I would not advice anyone to go blindly for it. Give it several years and the market wil saturate. When you do it as a specialism on a broader base then you are more likely to preserve in a saturated market, so then go for it.

I'm not certain what you mean by semi-AI. You mean things like the automated tests generation? Those are nice when all is green, but not very readable if you have to fix red bars.

Then again, I've done applied physics for the past 5 years and found all of my colleages to be passed by even first year bachelors CS when it comes to programming efficient programs. This is off course not a problem in a world where there's infinite computational power and energy, which we do not.
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>>58852055
go ahead ask me a question if you're struggling rn anon :)
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>>58849615
Pretty much this.

School is a meme. Quit and enjoy the rest of whatever time you have left on this planet shitposting and buying consumer electronics. Find a cozy job that pays enough to cover your bills and call it gg.
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>>58854815
Not looking to be a software coding terminal monkey though, still a focus on hardware

Working on consumer electronics would be really neat and EE looks like the way to go
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>>58855769
I would say that people with math/physic degree are able to use logic, this means that even if they do not know some cs related subject they will learn it in short time.

Its common for banks to hire math/physic phd as programmer for bank core/legacy.
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>>58849387
>those dudeweedlmao traces
what the fuck
what is this meme
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>>58852316
>>58852613
this desu
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>>58856898
Where do you see anything weed related?
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>>58852058
Arduino/RPi as platform, AliExpress for parts, Hackaday for inspiration, >>>/diy/ for advice
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>>58849387
Because I'm a chemical engineer. Electronics scare me.
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>>58852590
Not all EE's specialize in the same thing, i.e i am shit at power electronics but would be able to deal with your problem.
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>>58856765
You have to start somewhere, from what i see you whant to work as EE systems engineer so it won't matter with what specialization you start, what matters is that you move up in your career.
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>>58856925
It just gives off a strong "lol I don't give a fuck" vibe
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>>58857088
So you're just spewing memes randomly?
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>>58852055
Learn node voltage method and it will be a cake walk.

For tests know how to to thevenin and Norton. I used to take circuit tests for all my ME buddies because our uni literally threw some Chinese masters student with less than 1 year of English at these kids.
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>>58857190
Yep, learn node voltage and you are king
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>>58852341
>CS with focus in computer architecture here. loling my ass off at the in-between CompE fags who aren't good at neither CS nor EE.
But the good ones are. Yes, a hybrid degree is harder, but the good ones are the ones who are good at both. You should only do hybrid degrees if you're actually competent.
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>>58852336
Pro tip: all the new hipster electronics have non-45 degree angle traces.
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>>58852418
>Not anon, but computer scientists usually gets jobs as engineers.
Not as "real" engineers though, that requires a professional license. Meme job titles often say engineer or something, but they aren't engineers.
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>>58858316
If you do CS with a focus in comparch, you can get a job as a computer engineer. As in, you design and build processors for a living. If that isn't engineering, I don't know what computer related job is.
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I'm at school for CS right now. I can double major as CS/Math with only 3 more math classes. But I am not sure if it's worth the extra work. I just want a job and I feel like these classes wont help me get that. Any advice?
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>>58856897
Not the guy you are responding to, but that's because banks are fucking retarded. Proof is that they still use these crazy old legacy systems, and it's a fucking miracle that nothing bad happened with them yet.

I've finished my physics bachelor just last year, the amount of guys on my course shitting their pants over computational projects for their dissertation was unreal. Professor outright told us "don't worry about LaTeX and Python/C, use word, excel and matlab to accomplish your projects". Throughout the course we've had 2 semesters of matlab, and most of it was spent debugging piece of shit code created by guys who got matlab dropped on them whilst having no prior programming or CS experience whatsoever. Cue loads of shitty project results due to those same guys not really knowing what the fuck they were doing. And this is from a physics department that was ranked #1 in UK for research in 2014, and should've known better that, with the exception of going full research, most of all physics grads will be wanted for their supposed expertise in modelling equations and simulations. The funniest part is that even though we don't really get taught that properly, the assumption by employers is that we do. In real life though, most physics grads know jack shit about CS, and blag their way through it by applying math. I'm lucky because I self studied CS related topics while bored in my teenage years, but most of my course mates will spend their life flashing their degree to justify existing at JP Morgan whilst contributing exactly jack shit, until they finally get pissed and fork out for an Open University degree in CS to actually do something useful for a change.
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>>58858166
cancer
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Because im studying Energy engineering.
>Ultimatecomfiness.m
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>>58858778
Ahaha this is so accurate it hurts.
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>>58852055
Dont listen to these node cucks and learn mesh analisys, read boylestads book on circuits
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>3 years into CE degree
>Still haven't learned how to build Russian sound blaster I see posted here occasionally.
I wasted three years of my youth for this?
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>>58858836
Don't listen to this non believer.
Mesh analysis is a last resort method.

Source transforms with Thevinin/Norton is the patrician way to analyze circuits
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>>58849387

>implying I'm making cool fucking clocks right now.
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>>58849615
>do the least possible for the least money
So do nothing for nothing?
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>>58852055

UCF student? My electrical teacher was garbanzo as well. Had to teach myself everything.
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>>58858914
You now have to pay triple the tuition to go to grad school for analogue circuits.

You also have to work 16 hours a day for almost minimum wage for your thesis supervisor.
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>>58849615
>TFW you realise that your job consists of playing with really cool toys all day long.
I think your the one falling for a meme buddy
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>>58859046
>using autorouters
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>>58849387
Ended up studying electrical engineering technology instead. Off to the field I go
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>>58859128

All the power rails are manually routed, and some of the signals are manually routed.

Why the fuck would I not want to auto route? It works great and saves me an ass load of time. Also my computer is top of the line so it does it pretty quickly.
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>>58859160
This is /g/ the board for Luddite tech entusiasts
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>>58859197

Seems legit.

I always love when I post my projects because someone always has a smug anime girl with

>doing that thing
>in the current year

but never posts anything of their own...
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>>58859125
desu your life would bore me senseless.
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>>58859160
>It works great

Oh baby, i don't even know where to start
>traces are routed in the most retarded way possible
notice how for example the battery is routed through micro for some reason
>those clearance
Let me guess, you just kept increased the grid resolution until the autorouter finally managed to complete to 100%

Also
>Those filter caps on the volt reg and IC's
you have absolutely no idea how those supposed to wok
>using arduino
lol
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>>58858836

>shitting on nodal analysis
top kek

>>58852055
I was like you once, you'll learn the most just by doing. Just like everything else. 頑張って!!
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>>58859125
Does everybody use RPi for prototyping now?
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>>58859339
I'm literally fucking around with robots and jet engines. What exactly would excite you then?
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>>58859495
I've tried to come up with a reason not to. There just isn't one.
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>>58849387
>Why aren't you studying EE/CS?

I didn't want to spend all day hanging out with smug STEMlords autismos who are arrogant because they can do a little bit more Mathematics than an average pleb.

>Why aren't you designing your own custom electronics?

I have, but with economy of scale and Computer Optimized Integrated Circuit Design, that means that designing my own is a waste of time compared to what can be done by an industrial process.

If you weren't a smug STEMlord autismo who was arrogant because you can do a little more Mathematics than the average pleb, you'd already know that.

hth
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>>58859631
>Not wanting to be the big fish who actually knows math among the electrical pathway communication and power engineers

Also your last point seems to imply that computer engineers are simply redundant now that you can just get a Ras pi and whatever modules to do whatever task (though it has already been shown military weapons are being powered by these chips)
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>>58859688

That is a poorly drawn implication. I don't design my own chips because industry can design chips more effectively and efficiently. I don't find myself constantly needing bespoke IC to perform the tasks of my daily life, so I don't go through the trouble of designing and fabricating it.
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>>58859688

You should read up on VSLI, btw.
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>>58859822
>VLSI
fukin typo
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>>58859450

>still hasn't posted anything of his own

I prototyped it and it worked fine. Where are your projects?
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>>58849387
b... but i am anon, also i dont know why a retard from human resources wants to hire me as a Code monkey in atlanta, (i live in mexico)
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>>58859545
Because little isolation on the pins.
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>>58859523
tbqh, I'm really into social policy and how that policy is implemented in complex systems full of chaotic actors.
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>>58849387
I built my own fan controller, though it was all very simple on the EE side.
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>>58849387
Because Apple is honestly better at it.
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>>58860222
>trips
Fuck, maybe anon's right.
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Did EE for the past 5 months. Got good grades but didnt like it. So I quit 2 weeks ago. What shouls I study next? Interests in CS, NASA and Lockheed. Aerospace and shit. Do not like aerospace engineering as a study though.
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>>58860457

Study CS then you dope. Almost all companies higher CS people, but Lockheed is a shit company. Like 20% of their staff is actual full time internal people, the rest are contractors.
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>>58860486
hire

pajeet
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>>58852249
Not true.

Just graduated with a degree in computer science in December and about to start my first job out of college with a Fortune 100 making $90K+.
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>>58860517
Have fun coding business analytics glue libraries.
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>>58859523
Nigger just read your post. You're doing all the behind the scene shit

>what would excite you then
Motherfucker how about piloting the jet and having the robots you built do shit for me. That would excite me, damn nerds.
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>>58860517
Where u from?
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>>58860512

Sorry, I'm a mechanical engineer, not an English major.
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>>58860517
Here in the netherlands you will make max. 35k € starting...
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>>58860517
Are you a living meme?
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>>58859075
yo b-dawg is that you?
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>>58860589

It's always me D-mike.
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>>58860558
yeah but you have socialism.
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>>58860541
South eastern US.
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>>58860561
Maybe some day I can become a living, breathing meme, but I am, unfortunately, limited.
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>>58849387

I do not have the attention span to study a STEM degree. I made it through 3 semesters, had a good GPA but it was painful to keep going. All the power to those that can do it.
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>>58860690

I don't believe you. I have a horrible attention span and I was able to get through it. But hey, less people in STEM is a good thing right now. The whole "WE NEED MORE STEM" is bull shit. People were lied to so companies could import Pajeets to lower high education/high skill labor costs.
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I need to power a 30-35V, 1050A LED chip, I also need to power a 12V, .15A cooling fan.

how can I build it?
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>>58860729

I realized I need to do actual physical stuff that is front of me in order to keep my interest up. That is why I am a journeyman electrician in IBEW now. Call me blue collar, wage cuck or whatever but I know I could never keep my concentration working in a STEM field and decided to do something else.
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>>58860793

>call me a blue collar, wage cuck

Absolutely not. There is nothing wrong with that job and I wish more millenials wouldn't look down on certain types of jobs. Good on you for following that path. If anyone in your age group tries to look down on you just remind them that their worthless piece of paper that is high school diploma 2 cost them $40K in debt, and untold amounts in opportunity cost.
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>>58852336
>>58852009
>>58858166
>>58858779
While I will admit these traces look pretty bad, but it is now a practice to not put right angles into your design. I do bigger cable designs but if I remember correctly the reason is that you can get noise from the right angles because it can add extra capacitance, which at high frequency is a big issue.

That being said this PCB looks like it supposed to be some sort of power management device. It probably has the coin cell for a RTC and the rest of the time it must get its power from a mains or some sort of brick supply. There are a lot of transistor out puts, I think I see mostly mosfets, and I think I see some LED drivers, I see a PIC MCU for all the controls, the relays, I guess for some sort of mains control. My best bet is this is some sort of LED controller box.
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>>58859075
>>58859075

UCF Grad Engineer here, you kids got jobs lined up? I work at a company in Melbourne, we might be looking for interns.
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>>58860222
ayyyyy
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>>58861112

Already working across the street from UCF. Where you workin' m80? Also I might know someone looking.
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>>58861139
Im not really allowed to say, I work on government contracts.
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>>58861225
Sounds retarded they way I said it, but what I intended was for anyone interested to shoot me an email at a throwaway and then I would get in touch with them through a more official email. After which I would confirm your information and hand your resumes to some people looking for summer interns.
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>>58860538
not OP, but you sound like a child that wants to go to space
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>>58861254

My buddy just graduated from UCF. I don't think he has anything lined up yet.
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>>58861254
>3 times a loser in GDP
>bragging about that
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>>58861341
Decent GPA? EE, ME, CS, CE?

Does he want to stay in orlando or is he willing to travel outside the state? Does he happen to have a DoD Clearance? I know most of my friends at UCF interned at lockheed so they all had a clearance on file.

>>58861355
You butt mad you live in commiforna? Ill be here with my guns having a great fucking time, good luck with your shit state. Just kidding, but I do love Florida.
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>>58861384

He's ME with either a 3.3 or 3.4. Don't know if he wants to leave the state or not. I'm assuming he can get clearance.
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>>58860544
>I'm a retard.

FTFY
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>>58861408
Dont assume. DoD isnt giving them out right now. That is the biggest set back for anyone looking to get into defense. I did internships at a defense contractor which is how i got mine.
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AEROSPACE ENGINEERING BABY
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>>58861411

Poor little baby butthurt I made fun of your English degree?

>>58861437

I told him to get an internship. He never listened to me...
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>>58861452
LOLOLOOLOLOLOLO I work in aerospace as an EE, literally every single AERO ends up doing mechanical. Half the Mechanicals I talk to tell me they were originally going to AERO but were advised by recent grads to switch to straight mech. Good luck man, I wish you the best, but keep what I say in mind.
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>>58861496
I know that feel bro, I had a hard time getting a friend a job, but it eventually happened, luckily he was pretty charismatic so once we landed him an interview he did the rest, he also had a shit GPA but he was willing to relocate to fucking Albuquerque soooo theres that. He even gets paid well too, but after taxes there, he makes the same as me. (there is about a 10k difference in our salaries HA)
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>>58849387
I'm studying CS with a focus in security.
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>>58861498
Yeah I'm a little bit worried about that, but I can still switch to mech if it's really an issue.
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>>58849387
Because I'm only smart enough for IT but not smart enough to be a real engineer

>feels bad man
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>>58852055
Is this a trend?
My circuits engineer was hands down the worst teacher I have ever had in my life. He barely spoke English, he made mistakes in the examples that he showed.
Also, I don't think we ever had a lecture about the actual concepts, he just took the examples out of the book and didn't even copy all of the data out of the book most of the time.

Also, >>58857190, that guy knows what's up.
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>>58861529
What constitutes a shit GPA need to know for a friend

Also aerospace here how fucked am I for government jobs (the only sort of jobs we get)
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>>58861089
>not put right angles into your design
The electrons will fly right off the tracks!
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EE, not EE/CS, OP,

CS, even the CSE at my uni, was virtual jack all for electronics. They don't even teach you circuitry. If you're lucky, they cover signals and logic gate shit.

I picked up a CSE degree for a Big Ten university in the US. I want to get into electronics now, but humiliatingly find that I'm essentially behind all of my peers, even those younger than me.
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>>58852418
thats just sugar coated term for code monkey
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>>58859523
anime masturbating to porn video games
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>>58862716
You get off to watching cartoons wank as they play erotic video games?
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>>58861112

Graduating UCF with a math major (applied track) at the end of this semester, call me
I know MATLAB and C and have taken classes on modeling and scientific computing
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>>58859125
what is your job?
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So is Electrical Engineering good?

Should i study Electrical Engineering?

What about Electronics Engineering and cybernetics and that stuff?


Or mechacnical engineering.


I have a good ammount of knowledge.
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>>58849387
can i get by and do well if I'm smart and unambitious?
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>>58859450
>he doesn't use custom autorouting rules
spot the pleb
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>>58859124
>You now have to pay triple the tuition to go to grad school for analogue circuits.
>You also have to work 16 hours a day for almost minimum wage for your thesis supervisor.
Maybe this is why I always have to hire slavs online instead of using local people.
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>>58859125
>I think your the one falling for a meme buddy
How much power do you get from that turbine generator?
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>>58861452
Fuck that shit, about to graduate with one. Thank god I have a CS minor too, trying to leverage that as hard as possible to get out something non-aerospace related
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>>58849387
>Why aren't you studying EE/CS?
All EE's I know hate their classes, and every class I've had from the EE department was extremely dry. Sometimes I wish I was a CS.
>Why aren't you designing your own custom electronics?
I like to design the things they control. Manufacturing process and machine design is more my thing.
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>>58852055
Do whatever you can to learn circuits. Its pretty crucial for modeling systems in Feedback and for Heat Transfer.
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>>58860729
>People were lied to so companies could import Pajeets to lower high education/high skill labor costs.
i know that feel so well ;_;
its like the "WE NEED MORE MATH TEACHERS", but they only hire history teachers to teach math, and people wonder why students are doing bad in math.
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Tell me what to go back to school for. Already have two bachelor's but I like computers.

I've taught myself web development (yknow the languages), python, barely fucked around on java and c.

I think it'd be cool to make an OS as a school project. Not for money though. I want a high paying and in-demand job that has something to do with information security. Decide for me.
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>Why aren't you studying EE/CS?

Not autistic enough to go full code/circuit monkey. Geophysics has plenty of programming involved and I get to play around with more than enough high-tech toys.

>Why aren't you designing your own custom electronics?

I have no need to do so, as I don't have a reason for it academically.
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>>58861089
>it is now a practice to not put right angles into your design
If by 'now' you mean within the last ~30 years, yeah. That said, for signals <1 MHz right angles don't really matter.
>you can get noise from the right angles because it can add extra capacitance
If by 'noise' you mean and impedance mismatch, yeah, but those are not the same thing. For high speed signals, not having a trace of uniform thickness means that the impedance changes along the trace, which causes reflections in your line, resulting in lower power signals. The truly correct way to do it would be with curved traces like you see in some microwave designs, but for pretty much everything else, 45° bends are fine.

As for the board in the OP, it's not doing any real power management- this is designed to communicate with sensors/other boards, with relays to control some of the more power hungry devices. If I had to guess, this is either for something like a home security system or industrial automation.
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>>58863239
Electrical engineering also has power distribution design. if you want to work in electronics get an electronics engineering degree.

if you have to ask whether to do mech or electrical engineering you have to do more research, they are very different fields
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>>58863835
what kind of programming do you do in geophysics?What langages do you use?
how much mathematics is there in Geophysics?
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I really wanted to do that when I started university studies, but lincucks are so autistic that I thought I would never be able to stand working with people like that so I went chemical. Now I've come to terms with my own autism and hate what I've done with my life.
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>>58859046
what driver are you using
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>>58859331
>unironically defending autorouters

never come to /diy/, please
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>>58863769
Two bachelors on what?
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>>58858316
>Not as "real" engineers though, that requires a professional license
Engineer is not a protected title.
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>>58849387
>Why aren't you studying EE/CS?
Because I work, and have an MSc in real engineering.
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>>58858778
This. From what I've seen, most of physicists doing computational stuff aren't exactly keen on performance, designing algorithms or care too much about as long as matlab will crunch the numbers. "Why would I care how fast it'll run when I can always just requisition better computer, I'll get paid the same anyhow".
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