/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

Honestly this pasta sucks

>>58846986

Anyone know a good site explaining the difference between different package managers (like how they resolve dependencies, what they use as a local database etc) and the differences in package formats like deb vs rpm?

We have a fairly complicated deploy process at work and I'd like to figure out how complicated it is to just create debs.

Does a lightweight distro like Lubuntu really make that much of a difference on a modern notebook?
I've been wondering if using something arch or straight ubuntu will have any significant impact on the battery life of it per daily use. Or is lubuntu made with very outdated machines in mind?

>>58847148
the lightweight it is, the less resources it consumes

>>58847148
try this tool http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/improve-power-usage-battery-life-in.html

Can you run the same Ubuntu installation for years at a time, upgrading from major release to major release, without issue? Or should one always clean install when e.g. moving from 16.04 to 17.04?

Amateur driver developer here, looking for a project

Do you know any USB devices that don't have Linux drivers yet?

Hello /g/. I am looking for a completely botnet-free, open-source and secure distro that is able to be installed on a hard disk. This means that Tails is out of the question. It should be easy to use as well. I do not want to spend hours configuring a system.

Thanks in advance.

>>58847455
Subgraph OS

I posted this in a /sqg/ but maybe this is the better thread. Sorry if it is not.

Any /g/ents that use or have used the Bunsen Labs distro?
I want try it out some, but don't want to move over all together just yet. I want to make a small partition to play around with it first. I'm wondering how small I can get away with. The sight says a minimum of 10gb but I'm thinking of going 20gb. Wondering if that will give me enough wiggle room or not.
I know it's lightweight but I just want to be safe.

>>58847555
Use a vm.
you can extend your virtual storage space on demand

>>58847583
While I'm pretty sure my desktop could handle a VM well enough, the lag from them I do not like. I would rather just install it on a disk.
Thanks for the suggestion though.

>>58847463
How secure is it considering it is still in alpha stage?

I have a non-LVM EXT3 partition that I need to resize from 1TB to 4TB (no one can give me a good reason why they believed it was a good idea to only give this drive a 1TB partition instead of allocating the whole 4TB). The machine is running CentOS7. I can do it in parted, but once I extend it with resizepart will I need to do any formatting? I ask because there's a shitton of data on that thing and I really don't feel like having to move that shit over to the NAS and back.

Can someone explain to me (without memes) why Arch Linux is so popular on /g/?

>>58847784
Arch is simple and relatively lightweight (even though you can bootstrap Ubuntu or Debian to be just as lightweight)

People seem to like the AUR, user-contributed packages

>>58847784
I personally don't like Arch and I think the reasons why people install Arch are retarded (it's not lightweight, it doesn't teach you about Linux and it isn't the only distro which comes naked and allows you to install your system the way you want).

tl;dr Arch is a meme, 4chan loves memes.

>>58847761
You should be able to grow the partition without moving shit around.

>>58847784
Arch is popular here for the same reasons as Gentoo

>from last thread
what is the correct way to correlate device ids and kernel modules?

>>58847784
because gentoo is too hard
but arch doesn't have an installer so it's still cooler than noobuntu

>>58847784
Arch is the best

>>58847784
AUR

>>58847942
>git clone; make - aka the "amazing arch user repo"

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I'm using i3wm. How do I change the i3bar size?

I already have Ubuntu installed but my inner /g/ is calling for me to take the Arch plunge.

Can I skip the part where I install GRUB since I have it installed already? I just need to rebuild the table thingy?

>>58847982
Doesn't work, you gotta manually hunt down dependency and solve the fucking dep chain

>>58849126
I'm sure there's a better way, but one way I know of it to just adjust the font size. (You can copy the font setting in the i3 config inside the bar{} definition and just change the font size for the bar only)

>>58847784
Arch is primarily made for hardcore hackers and serious programming and top-notch server stuff

Why isn't there a libmpv backend for kodi? There were some whispers a while back but it seems like it went nowhere.

>>58849614
i wish this'd happen
i used to use kodi/xbmc all the time, mainly because it keeps track of what i've seen
but mpv has too many nice features that simply make it a better player

maybe i should just write a script for mpv to track what i've seen

>>58847761
you can do an offline resize without losing data with ext*
you can either use gparted, which will resize both the partition and the filesystem in one shot, or use parted to resize the partition, followed by resize2fs to resize the partition
make sure it's unmounted before doing either

>http://fglt.nl/
>or as I've recently taken to calling it, /fg+lt/.
kek

>hear good things about opensuse tumbleweed
>download the netinstall
>boot it up
>takes quite a while to load up
>installer is pretty good
>finally begins downloading packages and installing them
>over 1700 packages
>Time 55:52
That's the point where I powered off my Thinkpad and crossed off opensuse in my head

>>58846986
Tom Araya uses Gentoo.

https://youtu.be/a6j27OYGVQo

>>58850251
Fuck he got old.

guys I'm compiling the kernel and lots of white text is flashing past on a black screen can I tell people I'm a hacker?

>>58850307
Press Ctrl+c, that'll stop the hack

t. Gentoo men

>>58847381
if you want the same install for years try a rolling release distro.

>>58849410
>Arch is primarily made for hardcore hackers and serious programming and top-notch server stuff

fat neckbeard basement dweller spotted

How can I enable ccache for dkms?

>>58850182
you can literally select what packages to install at install time, if you don't it will perform a comprehensive install of kde software so that's why it was so heavy.

>>58847784
I think that if anything becomes popular in today's 4chan, is because of memes.


Now, if you ask why is arch popular in general, I think a big part is the AUR, and that the installation process looks like a challenge to someone who has only used ubuntu or some derivative (a lot of users haven't even tried a fraking netinstall)

>>58851051
battlestar galactica sucked mate

>>58850701
t. someone who couldn't install arch

>>58851056
I never watched it so I wouldn't know

What the the hell is in grub that takes so long to compile I thought it was a tiny program to start the computer

>>58849614
time to post on the mpv threads to make this happen

>>58851130
lmao, it's basically a mini OS and supports load of old crap

>>58851130
Here, have some memes: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/GNU/GRUB/

>>58851157
The mpv devs have already done all they can, it's really up to the kodi devs to implement it.

Why does my okular not open .cbz files anymore?

The calibre e-book viewer sucks.

>>58851374
do you check cbz opens with okular by default?

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So fstab isn't even needed anymore it seems. Installed Arch on my Thinkpad and forgot to genfstab. Using EFISTUB and two partitions for /boot and / it boots up just fine. I did pass root=/dev/sda2 to the kernel.

Should I even bother creating fstab?

>>58851385
It should, I have all optional dependencies installed and it used to work months ago.

When I try to downgrade it it seems there has been a replacement package from kdegraphics-okular to only okular in the arch repos.
Pretty sure it worked with that one.

>>58851441
it's generally a good idea, especially if you want to set certain mount options.
Also, are you sure that your boot partition is mounted at /root/?
If not the next time you update the bootloader or kernel you will have issues.

>>58851463
>kdegraphics-okular to only okular
arch?

>>58851500
>Also, are you sure that your boot partition is mounted at /root/?
sorry I meant /boot/ not /root/

>>58851500
>>58851539
Ah right, I'll create it just for convenience (mounting it for kernel updates) and maybe systemd might expect it for some things still. My sda1 is /boot and sda2 is root.

>>58851521
Yeah, as I said right next to what you quoted.

Nevermind though, I'm using comicseer now which seems to be better

>>58851580
lol sorry, I'm blind. Anyway read the optional deps, you have to install ebook-tools.

>>58851596
>lol sorry, I'm blind
yes you seem to be, get some sleep

>>58851463
>I have all optional dependencies installed

>>58849126
You should check out i3blocks.

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Why are systemd fanboys such a religious fanatics?

All they do is harass people for using a different init.

Hello anons,
I would like to install some torrent client(cli) which is able to run in background and if i want to add magnet all i need to do is:

torrentclient magnet:link

I checked and i think rtorrent cant run in backgroun, so what is your suggestion?

>pls no deluge

>>58851676
transmission-daemon

you can add anything by using

 transmission-remote -a link(orfile) 

>>58851666
Why are anti-systemd fanboys such a religious fanatics?
All they do is harass people for using the most used init.

>>58851666
because anyone who uses something different to what I use should not be allowed to exist

>>58851718
bigot

>>58851717
>transmission-daemon
tnx anon, ill try it

I am not participating in your flamewar, systemd fanboys.

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>>58851739
yeah? I used your exact same argumentation

>>58851749
Technically speaking you are by posting about it

>>58850877
solved, I just prepended ccache's bin path in the make[0] settings of the dkms.conf i want to build.

Now, how do you guys manage your cache? do you set a different CACHE_DIR for every project?

>>58851441
you'll need it to mount /boot, otherwise grub and kernel upgrades will be written to your /, not /boot, so you'll end up booting old versions of those

If I install GNU|Linux via virtualbox, will the ram not set as my base memory not be in the final installation?

How to install arch without systemd?

>>58851717
hey anon, i tried but it aint working that way

i tried with

transmission-cli -w "/home/folder" magnet

and shit is working
thanks

>>58846986
>Friendly Linux Thread

What do you mean friendly linux thread?

Friendly how? What's friendly about it? You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but friendly how, I mean friendly like It amuse you? It makes you laugh, It's here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean friendly, friendly how? How is linux friendly? You said It's friendly. How the fuck is linux friendly, what the fuck is so friendly about linux? Tell me, tell me what's friendly!

>>58852110
Anon don't forget to take your medication before posting.

>>58852110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWINtUCshxY

Guys, why my screen getting dark after login. Last time I install ati driver on my debian. What should I do? I can't open the recovery mode too.

>>58852175
i get that sometimes
when i login it goes like display is off, i just restart and everythning starts normal

>>58852042
You have to rely on bunch of crappy OpenRC scripts from the AUR, that are written by some nerd in his mom's basement. Good luck

>>58852156
>>58852157
Ya motherfucker! I almost had him, I almost had him. Ya stuttering prick ya. I wonder about you sometimes, anon. You may fold under questioning.

>>58852189
I'm already restart several times and it didn't change anything.

>>58852208
what are you use de wm?

>>58847455
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html

>>58852225
Ah, I forgot to mention. I use KDE and my current debian is Jessie.

>>58852156
What the fuck are you doing? You're hanging around my fuckin' neck like a vulture, like impending danger.

>>58852259
well anon it's just that you owe me like 500 shitposts, I mean it ain't small change, you know. The jannie was afraid to bring you the tab

Guys, what is the best distro without systemD?

>>58852400
win7

>>58852400
Installiere den Eselspinguin

>>58852190
Essentially not worth the trouble?

>>58852156
being this new

I wish I was good at maths and good coder so I could get hired into US firm and move in there.
>just like Linus.

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Whats wrong with RedHat?

>>58847784

The thrill of putting your favorite Chinese girl cartoon into your rice and comparing it with others'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGpH_aYBvqY

Hey question:
How can I automate the execution of a script which requires intervention?
I already have a predefined set of answer which I want the script to take in.
For example, I run a config script, which then asks me:
1. Type answer here:
I do that, then I get the second question
2. Type answer here:
and so on..
So instead of just typing in terminal:
>./configure
I want to pipe some list of answers to give to the script, but all the answers are different, so i can't do something like:
> 'answer' | ./config

Should I write bash wrapper around this somehow?
Also, I'm doing this in docker, does docker support interactive image building in any way like this?

>>58852957
most (actually nearly all afaik) ./configure scripts allows you to set most options as cli arguments instead of asking you interactively.

If in your case this is not possible, you can hardcode your "answers" in the script itself.

If for some reason even that is not an option for you, then write your "answers" in a file, only one per line, and then feed it to the script with:

./configure < answer_file.txt

>>58852957
>>58853133
Another options is:
echo -e 'ANSWER1\nANSWER2\nANSWER3\n' | ./script

>>58853133
>>58853194
thanks guys

>>58847148
>ubuntu for outdated machines
You're thinking of wattos.

>>58849259
README

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What do you do about sites that require you to use flash to play the content?
Mozplugger+mpv doesn't work with.
Also should you always update to the latest flash version?

>>58853802
open vivaldi and use it

>>58852042
Archbang.

>>58852400
Systemd is an improvement.

>>58853802
i use youtube-dl/mpv
if it doesn't work, i go elsewhere

>>58853802
>What do you do about sites that require you to use flash to play the content?
I don't use that site or try with youtube-dl or other software of this kind.

>Also should you always update to the latest flash version?
didn't adobe stop releasing new versions for linux? anyway, considering all those vulnerabilities in flash, it would be a good idea to keep it up to date.

I've a question about pgrep/pkill:

What's the difference between -u and -U?

From the manpage:

       -u euid,...
              Only match processes whose effective user ID is listed.  Either the numerical or symbolical value may be used.

       -U uid,...
              Only match processes whose real user ID is listed.  Either the numerical or symbolical value may be used.

What does "effective" mean?

>>58853802
I don't bother opening the sites that require flash to play content.

I don't use them. Flash is dangerous, outdated, garbage.

Hey guys. I've got an Asus x205t running windows 8.1 and I was wondering if I could install a lightweight version of linux (like lubuntu) onto this thing.

>>58852855
fucking CIA niggers lmao

>>58854076
http://hotmale.com/

>>58853823
>vivaldi
What's the difference?
>>58853880
>i go elsewhere
Sadly I can't watch my Korean porn else where.
>>58853881
>didn't adobe stop releasing new versions for linux?
Adobe site lists the latest flash version to be 24, same as windows and mac.
>>58854039
>Flash is dangerous, outdated, garbage.
And bloated.

>>58854248
>What's the difference?
uses chrome's peppermint flash

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Anyone knows how to make mutt work with cockmail?

Is there something for ubuntu that allows me to set up tiling schemes like i3 and similar, while using default window manager?
For example, I am using xubuntu and have set up numpad hotkeys for tiling. It is really usefull but it would be better if its done automatically when i open new window

>>58854029
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_identifier#Process_attributes

>>58854360
You can replace xfwm4 (the default windows manager of Xfce) with another window manager of your choice and keep everything else.

If you like features of i3 just replace xfwm4 with it.

>>58854297
>uses chrome's peppermint flash
Why is it better than chromium.

>>58854360
There's a tiling application for XFCE.
I think it's X-tiles

>>58854349
mutt (and most other console mail readers) is designed to work with mail that has already been downloaded to your filesystem. you would need to set up getmail and sendmail to actually get and send mail that you read and compose using mutt. go read up on the documentation for those.

>>58850307

you're not a hacker if it's not green text on a black background.

>>58854507
But it says here https://nixtricks.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/mutt-configure-mutt-to-receive-email-via-imap-and-send-via-smtp/
I can set IMAP for incoming mail and SMTP for outgoing?

>>58854567
so why don't you just do what that blog says and tell us why it didn't work?

Why do people complain from -Syu, when there's timeshift?
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/timeshift/

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Is anyone working on IR camera ID compatibility? That windows hello is a pretty cool thing.

>>58850307
I run apt from the ubuntu command line. so you understand, I am a veteran hacker, and I can confirm that indeed, you have graduated into the elite realms of people to smart to use windows, AKA hackers

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any handwriting recognition application for GNU/Linux?
I want to use my wacom tablet for something useful.

>>58854429
>Why is it better than chromium.
looks like firefox and crashes like firefox

>>58854760
yeah, but you have to train it and it's still crap. In my experience, at least.

>>58854768
Then why use it over firefox?

>>58854760
MyPaint

>>58854784
because its based on chrome

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>>58854772
Obviously.
But it's better than nothing.
What are they?
I can't seem to find any in the AUR.

>>58854760
>>58854832
avatarfagging is against the rules.
cease

>>58854871
Huh?
OK, I guess red lingerie is kinda identifying.

>>58854832
search for handwriting

>>58855026
I did.
Didn't find anything.

>>58855065
cellwriter nigga

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now that arch linux is dead, what distro are you switching to?

>>58855246
Whatever you do, don't switch to Slackware. We don't need your insufferable faggotry clogging up the forum and mailing list.

>>58855316
lol arch users dont use mailing lists

>>58855246
gentoo

>>58855386
Too hard :^(

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Hey guys how do I know if Linux is right for me?
I'm currently a CS student and I'm not yet sure on what type of software I'd like to work on. Currently enrolled in C++ programming that's not going towards my degree. My ultimate goal is to land a lucrative and well paying job hopefully at a big 4.

>>58855416
How do you know if cheesburgers are right for you?

>>58855416
unless you have embraced Lord Tux as your savior, Linux-based distributions may not be for you

>>58855444
GNU/Linux*

>>58855400
> he cant even install gentoo

You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>>58855400
dd if=gentoo of=sda

wow so hard

>>58855449
What did he mean by this?

>>58855452
>>58855466
Gentoo is just a meme! stop bullying me!

What's the problem that people have with systemd? Isn't it free? It's certainly the most well-supported and developed.

>>58855432
Well I'm wondering if I'll be able to use all the software that I need to use while still finishing school on a Linux distro. Maybe Linux really is a hobby OS and someone aiming to be a professionally would most likely only be wasting time.

>>58855466
WTF DID YOU DO TO MY COMPUTER YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE

>>58855509
Have you tried looking that question in your search engine of choice?
systemD controversy is as well """""""""""""""""""documented"""""""""""""""""""" as systemdicks itself.

>>58855517
wine
virtualbox

If you're a CS student what software are you going to need that linux doesn't offer (even usually better)?

The only possible thing I could see is Visual Studio or some microsoft-exclusive assembler, but most distros development tools more than make up for it

>>58855544
>Have you tried looking that question in your search engine of choice?
yeah, and the general opinion is that people hate it because they're edgy

>>58855547
Well not a relevant class, but I was using Ubuntu on my laptop last semester when my group came together to work on some slide using this one random browser app. I couldn't contribute because it wouldn't work on my laptop. Just kept crashing. I want to avoid that.

>>58855509
talking about an init system makes people feel techy

>>58855509
It's a reddit meme which went too far.

>>58855509
http://www.ocsmag.com/2016/10/19/systemd-progress-through-complexity/
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd

>>58855416
>CS
what is this

>>58855449
>busybox babby detected

>>58855610
>and the general opinion is that people hate it because they're edgy
If that's the conclusion you came up with that obviously you haven't done a lot of research on the topic.
Try again in the future.

>>58855649
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
https://people.debian.org/~stapelberg/debconf13-systemd-myths-debunked.pdf

how the hell do I change spindown time
the damn thing spins up a dozen times a day because I can't set it for longer than an hour

>>58855660
Computer Science

>>58855670
welp you have the opportunity to prove me wrong here

and you're not

soooo doesn't bode well for your case

>>58855731
>welp you have the opportunity to prove me wrong here
Of course I'm not. Shouting at a wall that only knows "lol stop being edgy xd" as a reply is neither fun nor engaging.

You're provided with all the tools that could help you learn about the issue.
You obviously don't have the willpower to do so. Why would I waste my time then?

It's not like you're going to switch anyways. If you cared, you'd switch already.

>>58855695
fucking a
>hdparm -S
>values between 0 and 255
>241 to 251 are by multiples of 30m instead of 10s like that's so fucking intuitive
well at least I fixed it

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zsh: command not found: screenfetch

how2fix? I'm on Arch

>>58855908
Install it you dumbass

>>58855908
What?
Are you getting errors after chsh back and forth between different shells?

>>58855678
>http://0pointer.de/
stopped reading there

>>58856156
>implying anyone knows more about a program than the developer himself
enjoy your memes

>>58855509
the best legit answer i've seen to this is that in a failure scenario it can be incredibly hard to recover a system using it. far more so than init. during regular operation i have no problem with it but for production critical where it's my ass if i can't recover a corrupted system I feel it's irresponsible to use.

sadly the support and development doesn't change the number of moving parts making it exponentially harder to work with and understand

>>58856406
your links are biased fanboy

>>58856406
>implying the developer of a program would ever be capable of objectively evaluating the drawbacks said program, especially if he is a self-aggrandizing asshat bent on forcing all other developers to switch to his program through propaganda, flawed reasoning, and possible homoerotic sexual favors

Does anyone recommend any books/guides for getting set up with MAC? SELinux or Apparmor, they both serve the same function.

With the recent talk of security vulnerabilities in GNU/Linux and doing a spot of research myself I have decided to learn how to improve my systems security. I am using Wayland to solve the xserver issues but I am baffled by SELinux and Apparmor.

The majority of security based forums advise the use of OpenBSD for a secure desktop but I have zero knowledge on any BSD distribution.

>>58856532
kys retard, pottering writes free software, noone is forced to use it, there's not propaganda and he isn't an asshat unlike you

the distributions who choosed systemd did it because they wanted to, blame them

The level of BSD shilling on this board is shameful and disgusting.

>>58852110
Top kek

>>58856576
>Wayland
You pick the wrong path my friend, there is a known vulnerability with Wayland + systemD https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-230-FBDEV-Woe

>>58856617
memes!

first you get trolled into arch, then trolled into gentoo, then trolled into bsd

it's del system32 / :(){ :|:& };: tier master trolling

>>58856576
>security based forums advise the use of OpenBSD
Yeah, no, that's a trap.

For AppArmor go to the wiki http://wiki.apparmor.net/index.php/Main_Page

Also there is an application called firejail, super simple to use.

>>58856752
You have to go Win7

can a fellow loonix help me please?
i can install arch but i cant do shit after that
>inb4 google
google didnt give me shit about my problems
pls gentooman
>>>263693
>>>263693
>>>263693
link to the thread in case i fuck up the quote >>>/wsr/263693

>>58856771
for the VM?

>>58856677
>the first OS was too hip
>the second OS was too square
>the third OS was just write

checked

>>58856783
drop it.
get a life.
now.

also: >>58852110

>>58856585
>insists that GNOME requires systemd as a dependency
>devs refuse but consider making it a compile-time option
>expands the scope of systemd until it has absorbed login, authentication, filesystems, logging, networking, literally all services present on a system
>tells other devs to design their software to work with systemd services "because that's what everything is moving towards anyway"
>now GNOME doesn't work without systemd even though it doesn't officially require it

I mean, GNOME was a piece of shit already so that's not a huge deal, but these are the kind of underhanded tactics he uses.

only a self-aggrandizing asshat would a design concept that works, one that already has plenty of alternative implementations, and decide to make something that is the complete opposite of what everyone else uses, then force everyone to switch to his ass-backwards software and yell at anyone who thinks it's not a great idea.

>>58856677
Arch was once for medium users to get bleeding edge software, ironically they abandoned the KISS philosophy.

Gentoo was and still is another way to get bleeding edge but with very a customized environment.

FreeBSD is to be a bughunter for Cisco.

Why is MIDI such a headache in GNU/Linux?
I play guitar so I sometimes open up guitar pro files. So far I have been unsuccessful in getting the MIDI playback to make any sound and in fact, my system sound seems generally broken even after I close tuxguitar, until I restart the session. That is, mpv or mpd will both immediately pause playback when I try to listen to regular .ogg files or watch videos.
What could be causing this and how do I fix it? I'm using Ubuntu 14.04 (well, Xubuntu) and I expected it to have the sound set up so it just werks, since it did that with all other stuff I threw at it.
I attempted to install some drivers and a sequencer a while ago (from the repos) but that just completely broke my sound.

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>>58855509
>mfw first link of the site they always post is muh Unix philosophy

>>58856883
Check pulsecrap....errr, I mean pulseaudio manager, if you don't heva it installed is with the name paman.

>>58856883
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MIDI

>>58856904
Yeah, why don't they just call it "anti-cuckery philosophy". Is more explanatory.

>>58856966
>expects a serious discussion
>uses the reddit word of the year 2016

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>>58856904
because the only reasons people use Unix-based systems are ricing and hipster-cred?

>>58856986
>le reddit meme
>demands to be taken serious

Someone have the screenfetch ASCII in text of any linus distro?

>>58855509
init wars is the same as text editors wars, it never fucking ends.

>>58856883
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1125054&page=2

>>58857061
if there is an alternative, wars are bound to happen.

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>>58857059
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>58857061
I just want to user an init and it happens to be NOT systemd.

Can the systemd fanboys chill out?

>>58857059
GNU/Linus*

>>58857059
Just copy paste it?

>>58857081
His brown eyes are so beautiful. <3

>>58857059
you do
because it's free software that gives you the 4 essential freedoms
use freedom one

>>58857086
why, are they stopping you from installing what you want?

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>kid installs arch
>wtf everyones hates systemd
>thousands of arguments on why people dislike it
>stfu systemd is the best init system you redditer
>autsits out with intel vs amd quality arguments

systemd has had the same response as windows 10. First people were against it, lots of arguments why it was bad, but now everyone is embracing it because they prefer convenience over freedom.

>>58857061
Except every distro didn't start only packaging emacs as the official text editor. vim and nano would be too much work, it's best if everyone used the same thing.

>>58857059
here https://github.com/KittyKatt/screenFetch/blob/master/screenfetch-dev

>>58857139
hijacking the distros and so we have to go on an exodus, is pretty much taking freedom away

>>58857059
open /usr/bin/screenfetch in your favorite editor
find the logo you want
cuntpaste into a new file
strip the color escapes if necessary

screenfetch just is a retardedly bloated bash script

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>>58856883
>Ubuntu 14.04 (well, Xubuntu)
I've checked on debian8.

Installed these packages (picture related), in the settings selected "Gervill" under MIDI port.
Works as expected, simultaneous playback from Firefox, Chrome, mpd, mpv and TuxGuitar without any glitches and audio stopping.

Hey guys, why don't you create your own motd/issue files?

Look on the internet, some good ascii can be found http://ascii.co.uk/art

>>58857160
>systemd has had the same response as windows 10. First people were against it, lots of arguments why it was bad, but now everyone is embracing it because they prefer convenience over freedom.
systemd is free, dingus

>>58857162
>hijacking the distros and so we have to go on an exodus, is pretty much taking freedom away
how is it hijack if the owners decided to adopt it? at best you could say that it negates the user's freedom to (easily) install his favorite init system.

>>58857287
>owners
>of a distro
what you were saying about freedom again?

>>58857287
So the distro is "owned" by a few and not the community?

>>58857160
>thousands of arguments
The same derp spouted on /g/ >9000 times a day isn't thousands of arguments.

>>58857328
maintainers make a descision

>if you don't like you can fork yourself

>>58857341
There is an open vulnerability on systemd and many more. The development model is flawed. The compatibility is broken.

Many many more arguments pass daily, but you deny.

You are just a bigot.

>>58857362
No, you said "owner". And by the way, not all maintainers made that decision, those who didn't agree made the exodus.

Any good tools/programs for burning ISOs to USB on Linux?

Tried using UNetbootin, but when I try to find my USB in the BIOS, it doesn't appear, and yes, it's nothing wrong with my BIOS - other install USBs show up in UEFI just fine.

>/g/ realised /flgt/ was too comfy
>must inject contrarian vitriol on every topic into /flgt/ as well

>>58857395
dd

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>>58857307
>>58857328
you guys are joking right?

>>58857362
Developers prefer to create other inits to fork it.

Do you even understand why?

>>58857414
Thought about that, but would the USB actually format correctly and be able to boot? Isn't dd just the same as dragging and dropping data into the USB?

>>58857395
cp distro.iso /dev/sdX, where X is the letter of your device

>>58857422
I see no freedom in that

>>58857062
Nice, thank you.
Holy shit the hi-hat and snare sound so much better than with Windows' default synth.

>>58857394
diff anon but ok

and the original distro lives with the tyranny of the many and if somebody can do better with the fork people will come

i don't get why people hate the bazaar

>>58857422
They are now a corporation? Debian confirmed for dead.

>>58857376
There vulnerabilities in the damn linux kernel.
Also can't just call bigot someone for having a different opinion, that's exactly what being a bigot means.

>>58857469
Is no bazaar. The devs at systemd demanded the devs of tmux to have systemd as a required dependency.

At most, this is "embrace extend extinguish".

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>>58857472
wut? that was always the case.

>>58857446
what is freedom to you? when everybody do as you wish?

>>58857518
Why are do defending systemd so much? We get it.

>>58857504
you're quite right this is a shitty philosophy and smacks of something m$ would do, i like the systemd/svchost comparisons too

the difference i see is - does the tmux license prevent the development of a non-systemd version?

>>58857546
okay, you have a good point

So I got Total Warhammer for $12 but I also so that it has been cracked on Linux which means free dlc.

But I have no idea how to play pirated games on Linux, are there any driver packs or libraries that could help get rid of some errors?

>>58857538
different op, I was confused by the fact that those guys were surprised that licensed software (open source or not) implies someone owning the copyright. I don't really care about systemd.

>>58857647
Maybe use playonlinux.

>>58857647
isn't it on Steam?

>>58857376
^is^was
ftfy

>>58857677
>>58857666
There is a native Linux port, so I can play the legit version on either Steam or Windows but there is also a cracked copy that has all of the dlc unlocked which costs more than the base game.

If it were a windows crack I could do my own troubleshooting and get it to work but it isn't and I have a general idea about how dependencies and such work with linux applications but not with pirated software.

Is there any point to defragging my HDD if it's ext4? If so, what's the best defragging software?

>>58857735
For the non Steam, windows version, playonlinux probably is going to help you more. For the Steam version I am not sure.

It shouldn't be hard thou, probably any of the wizards here could help you, the problem is if they are willing to.

Be nice and ask step by step, you may find help.

>>58857735
a cracked copy of the linux version or the windows version? what library does it say you're missing? how is it packaged/distributed? does it use any DRM?
from my personal experience, many commercial games for linux (whether big studio or indie) distribute themselves in self-contained directories that include all the necessary libraries with the right versions specifically to avoid any dependency issues, but this may not be the case.

>>58857735
when i've done this on linux it goes like this

1. find directory of binary
2. ldd binary
3. search and install packages anything missing - mind versions and 32/64bitness

has yet to fail me really

>>58857743
generally it's not necessary unless your disk is mostly full (google ext4 defrag for details).
The only software to do defragmentation on ext4 is a tool called "e4defrag" which is part of e2fsprogs.

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>>58857830

I have a working retail copy on Windows and have access to a retail steam copy on linux but I want to try out linux game piracy.

>many commercial games for linux (whether big studio or indie) distribute themselves in self-contained directories that include all the necessary libraries with the right versions specifically to avoid any dependency issues, but this may not be the case.
This seems to be where the problem is, it throws up errors with these libraries here

Could it be that it's only been optimized for something like Ubuntu and I'm missing something to make it work on Arch?

>>58857902
Not him, but there is a "path" where those .so files should be to make it all work http://superuser.com/questions/71404/what-is-an-so-file

>>58857902
torrent?

>>58857936
Ah that makes sense, I'll give it a try.

>>58857950
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/16447003/(Linux)_Total_War__WARHAMMER_(2016)_[Ru_En]_(1.4.0)_Repack_hyper
This isn't the exact torrent I used but I assume its the same razer one I got

>>58857987
not to knock .ru but since you're definitely in the realm of closed source shady software

>steam stops you from running as root
>i doubt torrent has any restrictions
>i would double and triple check you are not sudo/root anything when running that stuff
>windows users expect to get bent over, you could run for a long time not knowing your mining bitcoin for other people and paying for the game via your power company instead of steam
>consider a burner install / vm

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>>58857987

>>58857164
>screenfetch just is a retardedly bloated bash script
why doesn't anyone write screenfetch in C?

why use funtoo instead of gentoo?

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>running gentoo running a virtual box running ubuntu chrooted into a gentoo armv5 system using qemu
What could go wrong?

>>58858083
For what purpose?

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>>58858093
For the glory of Satan!

I had pycharm 2016.1, and then downloaded and ran pycharm 2016.3. However, when I try to look for pycharm I get the old version. How do I make it use the new version?

>>58858083
I'm using gentoo inside a gentoo in a gentoo inside of a gentoo

>>58858129
i running arch btw

>>58858061
linux_logo
http://www.deater.net/weave/vmwprod/linux_logo/

>>58858135
gentoo users are superiour

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>>58858061
All the cool kids are using neofetch.

>>58858157
Y-you too :^(

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>>58858123
I'm using ubuntu mate and synapse, if that helps.

>>58858108
cutiepatootie

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>>58858083

rock solid

>>58858196
meant to quote this post >>58858191

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>>58857902
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5318198
click button in pic related to show files
compare

you should be launching the game using the "start.sh" script
usually it's a 4-line script that checks your architecture, then sets the appropriate library path and launches the appropriate binary

as a side note, if you want to "evaluate" games on linux before deciding whether or not to support the developers by buying a legit version, rutracker has an extensive list of both native games and prepackaged wine installations.

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Sometimes when I boot up linux my wifi usb doesn't work, but trying to pull it out and put it back in makes all the usb ports stop working. How do I fix either or both of the problems?

>>58858265
very carefully

>>58858265
install gentoo

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gentoo doesn't recognize my wifi rock, can someone help?

>>58858288
yup, freznel zones can cause 2.4GHz wave superposition and overload your antenna

also if your near any high amp magnetic fields the current induced on a wire is the square of the distance from the source, you only get +/- 5% before usb shutdown to protect itself

get gentoo and figure out where it's coming from

>>58852042
just use systemd
it's actually works really nice
i enjoy it a lot

>>58858165
Now with multiple image backends.

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>>58852400
systemd is nice
it enables things like cockpit, which is really nice

Newfag here. The fglt link in the sticky recommends Mint, but the wiki says it will literally kill me. Which should I trust?

>>58858357

>cd to /usr/src/linux
>make menuconfig
>set wifi-rock1.2 module to <*>
>make clean && make -j 99 && make install

next question?

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>>58857902
Publishers often refer to copying they don't approve of as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them. Based on such propaganda, they have procured laws in most of the world to forbid copying in most (or sometimes all) circumstances. (They are still pressuring to make these prohibitions more complete.)

If you don't believe that copying not approved by the publisher is just like kidnapping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word “piracy” to describe it. Neutral terms such as “unauthorized copying” (or “prohibited copying” for the situation where it is illegal) are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.

>>58852400
what a silly question.
obviously it is Slackware

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>>58855246
fedora
it's what every other distro tries to be

>>58858460
Mint is shit, get Ubuntu.

>>58858460
It depends if you trust Mint devs, who are DE designers.

>>58858512
Fuck off shill. Nobody is using Fedora, it doesn't even have any other purpose than RedHat shilling and RHEL betatesting. Literally cuck distro.

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>>58858428
>>58858446

>>58855612
then use chromium

>>58858460
>The fglt link in the sticky recommends Mint
where can I open an issue about this?
DELETE THIS

>>58858460
mint is nice enough if you want to avoid linux altogether but you must run it.

ubuntu is nice learner environment with a superhelpful community

>>58858558
literally botnet

>>58858460
oose ooboontoo

>>58856861
>expands the scope of systemd until it has absorbed login, authentication, filesystems, logging, networking

which is actually a good thing
all those services should not be RUN by a Desktop environment
having the same interface to handle filesystems on the server as on a workstation is imho what everybody wants

and we get things like cockpit in return

and that rly nice log file aggregation

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>>58858446

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>>58858660
>implying DEs run system services
>same interface to handle filesystems on the server as on a workstation
>rly nice log file aggregation

Why shouldn't I use Manjaro GNOME?

>>58858750
>>58858735
>>58858717
what the fuck

>>58858769
Because I don't like gnome

>>58858563
surrounding yourself with other retards certainly helps you feel like less of an idiot

--->
>>58858808

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>>58858549

Lennart Poettering 2014-04-04 14:56:43 UTC
Well, cgroups-less kernels are explicitly not supported by systemd. However we added some hacks to allow it to boot to a certain degree even if a lot of things will not work correctly afterwards. In this mode when you boot you will actually get a warning on screen and bootup is delayed by 10s to make sure the user understands this.

Now, this mode recently broke, and it will segfault early on. I am happy to take a patch to 'fix' this again, but I will not work on this as i dont run kernels like this, and as mentioned its not really supported anyway...

Another option is to simply be honest amd stop supporting in entirely, and refuse booting completely. And I figure this is what I will eventually do if nobody cares enough to send me a patch to fix that segfault.

> muh cgoups
> muh I want my linux without cgroups
> cgroups r bad mkay

while you can keep on sucking your own cock and being a faggot
I enjoy cockpit

>>58858782
>born with CS Ph.D
>looks at novice geek trying to learn
>phew - good thing i never was one

>>58858876
If you want to learn, use a distro that doesn't suck. If you learn to do things the retarded way, it will be harder to unlearn later than if you just did it right the first time, and it will take just as long if not less.

>>58858922
Vs the good, proper way using your patented /g/ linux master learning system?

>go on, show us how it's done

>>58859053
who are you quoting?

Install Slackware
Use Slackware

I had zero Linux experience and it worked for me. I imagine something like Gentoo would work for this as well, but frankly I find the whole compiling-everything-from-source-for-the-hell-of-it mentality too autistic.

>>58859225
wow i missed the part where slackware was the correct way and all others were heretical

where in the POSIX specs and source code did it say that?

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>>58858922

>2010
>the last time mint was not #1 on distrowatch
>it must be awful if all these people like it
>everything with a *REAL* computer must be esoteric self flagellation, penance and 3rd degree srs business

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>>58857059

>>58859357
who are you quoting?

By your logic, you should use Windows and buy an iPhone.

>>58859347
You asked for my system. I gave you my system. For years I used nothing but Slackware, later I tried distros from most of the major families and was dissatisfied by them and their tendency to either break or do things in strange, illogical ways. IMHO, Slackware is the closest you can get to a "true" Unix system under Linux, and it is an ideal distro for learning because the default install is usable OOTB, things like package management and system maintenance are extremely simple (in the sense of few moving parts) so it is easy to learn how everything works and how to tinker with it, it is fairly well-documented if you know where and how to look, etc.

>POSIX
the only widely-used POSIX-compliant OS is fagOS

Heretical would be an appropriate way to describe things like systemd, GNOME 3, and the aptitude package manager, all of which are absent from Slackware.

Installing linux onto a new computer, what new meme-y distro should I install?
>no debian
>no gentoo
>no arch

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what is bleeding edge and what is the appeal of it to some people?

>>58855509
It's bloated, slow, uses too much RAM, and is full of backdoors

>>58856576
>>58856617
>>58856677
>>58856720
>>58856879
>>58857204
BSD has no drivers!

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>>58859846
open source backdoors

>>58859686
People that actually need bleeding edge are usually developers. Other people just do it because they can. I don't really care about having the newest packages every day. I was using kubuntu LTS for quite a while and one day actually had a look at the packages installed, ffmpeg was a year old and "up to date", amongst many other things. I think that was a bit much so I swapped to a rolling release and haven't looked back.

>>58859912
Most people don't bother reading the source.

>>58860700
>he doesn't personally audit every line of code used on his computer
>not running a seperate honeypot home computer with firmware blobs and proprietary software so you can catch out the NSA when they spy on you and then press charges

>install gentoo and it the install process is quick and easy to my surprise
>upon booting into new environment networking does work

kernel had the right things compiled so I must've fucked up the config file for networking. Other than that gentoo isn't that difficult to get going. There are some strange things in the kernel config though. Like the PS2 trance vibrator driver. why would they waste time putting shit like this in the kernel. is this linus actually approving this shit or some random third party modules?