Devuan Thread

First for Devuan derivative (Slackware).

>all that autistic shit

How does systemd affect me as a user?

Slackware and Funtoo bros are also allowed :)

>>58846075
What a shitty thread.
Infighting is just what we needed.

>>58845562
>>58845927
Are you this guy? Try looking at your posts and understand how stupid you appear

>>58846133
>>All that autistic shit
>How does systemd affect me?
The awful architecture of SystemD has lead to it gaining more and more control and becoming less of what it once was, a strong and efficient init system. It now asks for permission over things it doesn't need and also has a plethora of bugs which can act as a backdoor to your system.

>>58846075

I was reading that wiki and the links on it and it looks like they were written by CNN.

>systemd developer doesn't understand what su does and calls it a broken concept
>click link
>dude explaining exactly what su does and pointing that it isn't a full login and shouldn't be considered one
>somehow the wikicucks decided to label this with a title that makes it sound bad because they know that 90% of the people won't check the actual sources
>same thing happened for the other 4 links I checked

You anti systemd cucks are all smoke and mirrors, it doesn't surprise that your arguments are basically fake news.

>>58846157

>It now asks for permission over things it doesn't need and also has a plethora of bugs which can act as a backdoor to your system.

Please tell us a couple things it asks permissions over that it shouldn't, and also point some bugs that are backdoors to my system. Concrete stuff, not fake news; point it in the source and tell us what would be the right way to implement it. I'll wait. Checkmate.

>>58846151
>>58846151
Not me but glad to see other Devuan bros out there spreading the message.

>>58846196
>Not me
yup

>>58846191
Why would you want only one way to access the linux ecosystem?

>>58846247

>never mind that the arguments that I made turned out to be exaggerations, let's instead just question your stuff while I don't prove shit

What the fuck? I hate systemd now! Now I'm a #DevuanDeviant too!

De-vooh-an

>What makes SystemD so bad? The REAL reasons
1. It is too mainstream, I am a special snowflake, Won't use Arch or 'flake distros, they are too different. SystemD made my distro different and I just want to go back, I keep telling people linux is about learning but I won't learn this because hey I'm better than you

2. Jerked off a little bit too hard with other hippies in the forums with distros with professionals making these choices and I think I'm in charge

3. It's just too new, I'm a neo-luddite and don't like very small changes and improved speed, however I don't see anything wrong with grub2 from grub or lilo or pulseaudio or fucking anything else because I didn't jerk off with other hippies at the time and didn't have any false sense of self importance. Now I spend most of my time googling "HOW TO INSTALL GRUB2 MODIFY ON SYSTEMD WHICH SUCKS DEBIAN UBUNTU REMOVE PLEASE HELP"

4. Linux is about freedom, which means freedom to be a loser and retarded hipster and the freedom to make a shitty hipster nu-distro that nobody uses and will die in less than 5 months

Hold on, just a second.

>Crashes straight through brick wall as legs are instantly broken but the momentum keeps him going
>"LENNART LUNNART LENNURT LANNART LAN-NART LUNART LUNERT LEN-NART Sksjidjidjijdsfksjlk!!!!!!!!!!!"
>Stops at giant buildings made out of redhat and debian making a fucking catastrophic amount of money
>Losing blood really fast
>"nooooooooo give me a fucking job noooooooooo im better than u let me be ur sys ad min noooooooooo"
>"muh fukkin way of liiiiiiiiiifeee!!!!!!! was slightly changed!!!!!!!!"
>Slowly passes away into the night and the police have to wait for him to rot because it just smells so fucking bad

>>58847627

Dude what the fuck...

>>58846075
Let me know when I can install it from an iso and actually format partitions during install. Dumping everything into a single LVM doesn't count.

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>>58847627

>>58846075
It sounds like Denuvo, so I'm not trying it.

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>>58847627
Absolute SAVAGE

Do you know the guys behind Devuan ported GNOME?

That must have been a hard one, considering how dependant of systemd was.

>>58847627
FUCKING UNDERRATED!

>>58851201
fuck off samefag

>>58851207
>i got rekt hard
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>58851217
fuck off lennart

>21 posts 11 posters
>Autism so strong it could power a gate to hell
That's why I avoid Linux.

>>58847627
>>58851201
>>58851217
kill yourself you fucking autist

>>58851232
is just some troll with time, probably the same raiding /fglt/

he is a systemd fanboy who likes poettering's dick

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>>58847627
wew

>>58851226
>>58851235
>I got told
lad...

>>58846133
For a user, SystemD is a huge improvement in speed and stability.

Ignore what those retarded jehovah's-withness-tier shills are saying.

As a system admin, I had to relearn stuff and I've also had issues with error messages that said fucking nothing about what was happenning. But other than that, SystemD is fine.

>>58846075
Recently I've replaced systemd with openrc on my arch. Haven't tested it much, but most parts of system worked.

>>58851294
>>>/reddit/ fuck off

>>58846133
The devs of systemd started a holy war to force everybody use systemd.

If you want to use a different init system to run your computer faster you can't, because your system may break.

>>58851135
I thought it were funtoo guys

>>58851335
>stop raping me
anon...

>>58851315
>For a user, SystemD is a huge improvement in speed and stability.
Waiting 1 minute 30 seconds to shut down.

>>58851383
lennart...

> people actually defending shitstaind

enjoy your 0days and bloat

http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd

>>58851343
>force everybody
lies, they didn't force anyone
>you can't
more lies

>>58851400
>my throat hurts
m8...

>>58851408
>they didn't force anyone
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371

>more lies
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html

>>58851431
>here's a forum link where another deluded retard reinforces my beliefs
fuck off

>>58851458
>deny deny deny
fuck off

>>58851473
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
we know

>>58851408
What the fuck you you think people complain about systemd?

Of course they force everybody to use their shit.

>>58851490
>What the fuck you you think people complain about systemd?
only the uninformed idiots do that
>Of course they force everybody to use their shit.
they don't; you can use whatever you want; but please elaborate: how do they force you?

>>58851514
The only uniformed here is you, Debian sudden jihad against anything non-systemd was the reason Devuan was created.

All the packages not supported by systemd were instantly dropped.

Come back when you inform yourself, illiterate troll.

>>58851550
>more inane ramblings; no answer
as expected from an uninformed idiot

Why the systemD troll always shitpost? What are you hiding?

Don't you have anything better to do? Fuck off.

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Is this poettering fanboy serious? He just got told.


Stop the denial fanboy.

>>58851550
>packages not supported by systemd
what? is vim supported by systemd? because vim is still there

>>58851568
>>58851586
are you stupid? what the fuck are you hiding?

so if we don't embrace sytemd you are going to go full terrorist on us? fuck off

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What out guys, lennart brigade is coming.

>>58851610
is vim supported by systemd tho? you forgot to answer this one; even a baboon such as yourself should manage to muster a simple yes/no

>>58851628
stop being a terrorist cunt, cherry picking one package to have a answer that you want is the kind of bigotry expected by a religious fanatic

fuck off

>>58851628
t. religious fanatic

>>58851644
>cherry picking one package
>>58851550
>All the packages not supported by systemd were instantly dropped.
>All
was that a lie then?
called it! >>58851408

stop implying bullshit fanboy, your flamewar has to stop

no more you's for you

>>58851644
>cherry picking one package
ok; let's try another: how about nano?

ITT: uninformed idiots get rekt with simple questions

fuck off lennart, you flamewar fanatic

>stop triggering muh cognitive dissonance
top cucks

>>58851678
>implying
you got told tho

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>>58846075
I just removed systemd from my Debian install manually. That fucking shit was really integrated into the system. I had some power management issues for a while there too.

So they killed the Debian guy because he found out that systemd was botnet didn't they?

>>58851390
It is completely unsuitable for an embedded platform.

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>>58851407
n-nooo that must be all lies, lennart tole me systemdeeee is so cool and the future, it's 2017 and progress and such, systemd will end white privilege

>>58852024
tell that to me

>>58846075
hate systemd ? install debian without it

https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd

>>58846191
systemd creates files with global rwx perms and then tightens them, instead of the other way around. This resulted in an escalation bug a while back, but systemd is a buggy piece of shit in the first place, so it's hard to keep track of details across all of these incidents.

Just in the last few months, systemd had a bug that allowed anybody with a login to crash the machine regardless of privileges, and another that was a fairly hefty escalation issue.

This is not to mention the shitty way services are hadled, the Google NTP autism, catching kernel debug flags, etc. This is an awful lot of issues for software that's supposed to be on PID 1 and reaping processes, and nothing else.

>>58852743

This would be a nice post if you weren''t some idiot repeating what you heard from fake news. Look at that systemd source in your post pointing the exact bugs you're talking about! Wait... it isn't there.

>>58847627
>Linux is about freedom
No, that's just GNU. Linux is proprietary software, shipped with nonfree, binary only blobs.

>>58846075
Is devuan based off debian testing or stable. I hope they don't release it based off jessie when stretch is soon to come out.

What init system does it use then? You would think that the OP would say so considering the fucking huge deal you anti-systemd fucktards are making about the one you hate so much

>>58853243
SysV

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I'm past Devuan and moved to Refracta for a true GNU/Linux disto IMHO.

Praying to mighty zeus. Gonna be tight when a non-systemd GNOME3 releases on both like BSD.

>>58853272
I thought openrc or runit were supposed to be the "good" choices. I haven't heard much about sysV.

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https://devuan.org/os/init-freedom/

>>58851431
Where's the force?

"Debian claims that “Systemd is becoming the de facto standard init system for Linux”, a number of GNU/Linux distributions, some new, beg to differ. While Debian claims that “It is better than existing alternatives for all of Debian’s current use cases”, these rebel GNU/Linux distributions refuse this one-size-fits-all vision of the *nix world that breaks portability, ignores backwards compatibility, and replaces existing services, forcing systemd into adoption."

>>58853286
SysV is more traditional. Debian and ubuntu used to use it before switching to runit and systemd.

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>>58852007
In a way yes, but no.. Suicide. Ian knew how fucked it was getting, he just wanted t0 end the pain.

>>58853278
With added config options like gnome2

>>58853286
>>58853341
Also, OpenRC partially uses SysV and the older BSD style init and has it as a dependency depending on which one you have installed.

>>58853296
saved

>>58846075
>without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd
>first link is literally muh Unix philosophy
Into the trash.

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>>58846075

Why would you do this to yourself? Just use Debian.

>>58853453
NSA is trying to trick us to being enslaved by them with systemd. The jews will lose, we will win.

>>58853672
nice bait

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>>58853672
>shrodingers bait

>>58853714
>>58853825
The NSA worked on systemd, don't fall for their tricks.

>>58847627
Fuck off lennart

>>58851390
Literally what? I turned it off and on again right now. More like ~10 seconds dude.

>>58854092
Stop holding the power button, shill.

>>58854115
Stop talking shit, you had me curious until
>lies
If that's representative for the "comunity" behind whateveralternativeyouarepushing, fuck you all.

>>58852822
http://cve.circl.lu/cve/CVE-2016-10156

https://www.agwa.name/blog/post/how_to_crash_systemd_in_one_tweet

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/437

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935

systemd niggers, the day of the rope is coming.

>>58854440

>three fixed bugs and another fixed bug that was on Google's side

Is this your proof? You must really be a desperate shill if the only flaws you can point are the ones that were already fixed. I could say that Linux (a kernel) is shit because it had Dirty COW for 10 years, but I can also check how many bugs Linux (a kernel) has and it would be around 3500 only counting the unresolved ones. My point is that you're trying to shill a dead cause and at the end of the the bigger picture is that you're just a Linuck arguing against other Lincucks when you all use a shit OS; it's like chickens thinking that they're cleaner than pigs when they all smeared in their own shit anyway. Stay cucked.

>>58846133
it makes life easier for users since you don't need to rely on shitty shell scripts to cause things to happen at init or during runtime.

>>58854540
>I see no issue with bugs that should have never existed, but do because Poettering doesn't believe in sanitizing input, applying proper permissions, and accepting that he may make a mistake!
>It's OK because other people are retarded, too!

I can tell you don't need to rely on systemd for anything but ricing.

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systemd default behavior kills all your running daemons upon logout, defeating the purpose of running tmux and screen over a remote session.

The debian team bitched and moaned, Poettering showed up and claimed it was a non-issue and then got angry at the debian team for refusing to respect his "sane defaults".
The debian defaults keep the expected behavior for the time being.

>>58854724
no, it only kills non user services on logout which actually makes sense.

>>58853874
Ok now it's just bait.

>>58854646

I'm not a Lincuck, I run FreeBSD, which only has 13 bugs. You are a Linuck, you run OSes based on the Linux kernel which has over 3500 bugs. On top of that you refuse to accept the best init system because you can't stop liking it when bugs fuck you in the ass for using alternative hipster shit. Eat shit Lincuck.

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>>58854783
>>58854724

I don't gedit. The last time their problem was the sighup varying behavior (udev bug). Now it's solved as systemd became desktop friendly. Maybe stupid question but can't you just use disown when close screen session? My server runs ubuntu and never had any issues with processes.

>>58855607
I use OpenBSD any time I have a choice, you nigger. At no point in this thread have I said that I regularly use Linux outside of what I'm obligated to for work. It still doesn't change systemd being a pile of shit.

>>58856280

>my job makes me a Lincuck, but on my free time I watch cartoons and shitpost using an inferior alternative to FreeBSD, therefore I'm not a cuck at all

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>58856368
I'm annihilated.
>converted to FreeBSD forever

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>>58854440
>systemd niggers, the day of the rope is coming.

>>58854646
>implying other init is bugfree

>>58855962
most distros disable the default behavior.

in the future you should use systemd-run to create transient services instead.

& disown will work too but they aren't tracked by systemd in the clean way that services and timers are. what he was bitcihing about is how user slices are dropped on logout, which meant all processes that weren't services were getting kill, including processes that are zombied, disowned or nohup'd

>>58857846
it is since there is no reason to even use devaun otherwise.

it's just debian fork built around alternative inits

>>58846075
I run Debian because it just works. I'm not a noob but I've been using this for a couple of years. What real world advantages will your fancy init give me? I don't need speed because I use an SSD, I don't need better stability because my OS is already rock solid. All I could see happening once I switch is slow updates and shit compatibility with some software. So convince me to go through all the trouble of making the bootable media, backing up my home dir, and then reinstalling Devuan with encryption. Really, why should I waste my time? Freedom is nice but I have work to do.

>>58859270
Rapidly changing code primarily made by people who have a questionable "lines of code per bug" metric, Lennart Pottering seems to rather alarmingly not understand the purpose of a hash ( or he's so terrible at communication that that's what he made it look like), It needlessly mandates other packages, increasing attack surface area. It's overall a precarious situation begging for an exploit. On top of that it elevates systemdand other packages to "reboot required to update" status. As uptime is critical in a business environment, this is a dangerous trend which offers two outcomes should it continue unchecked: more downtime and lost revenue, or unpatched, less secure code continuing to run in sensitive and mission critical environments.
A large portion of the systemd hate is because of its terrible practices and potential to cause problems down the line, rather than functional complaints. I want my banking info as secure as feasible, and systemd's developers are jeopardizing it. Therefore I support the proliferation of up-to-date alternatives that can fulfill any niche which might exist in our massive internet infrastructure, where systemd is. Its a check on it, much like genetic variation.

>>58859270
Devuan would give you better security if it weren't for the fact that you're giving root to mysterious group of people who could have added a backdoor.

>shitty distribution adds feature
>faggots cry about the feature for retarded reasons, not realizing that no one is safe from being monitored, especially when the NSA can, will, has, and does intercept hardware shipments and add hardware surveillance measures anyway
>make shitty distribution copying shitty distribution that already had the gayest name in history and make the name even more homo

Holy shit. I have never noticed it... You really ARE a bunch of autistic social rejects. I genuinely thought, for all these years, that it was only a small handful of tripfaggots that were actually retarded and everyone else was just taking the piss out of them. I seriously feel like I've been sitting in a room full of fucking retards, thinking they were just acting that way for a laugh until the mong wrangler shows up. Fuck.

>>58847627

this post fucking owns, and the first reason actually hit things on the nose.

devuan - for when OpenBSD is too mainstream

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>>58847627
Attention fellow IRC shit-loads-lards:

It has come to my attention, by which I mean, one of my colleagues, by which I mean, another turbo-fat-lardass PM spammed me, that linux is too mainstream.

It's easy.

*tips fedora*

We simply kill the linux.

Now then, how do we go about this, since 4 years ago I was autistically-"ironically"-recommending it to my friends, who all have left me and have careers now oh god

*ATTENTION DO NOT SAY MY NICK IN IRC ANYMORE IT MAKES A NOISE AND MY PARENTS HATE THAT SINCE THEY DON'T KNOW IM HERE SINCE THEY "KICKED ME OUT" 10 YEARS AGO AND I AM IN A SECRET LOCKED CLOSET*

windows = 2mainstream
>10 years pass, explodes
linxu = 4mainstream
>20 years pass, explodes harder
BSD = 8 mainstream
>40 years pass

Graveposters only, a graveposter is something that I just made up, it's pro-turbo-bsd users who don't use 99.99% of software and "just wait" and suddenly I'm 80 now. Also I am banning you all from this chat.

>>58859552

Go into the source code and come back with the actual proof of the backdoor idiot. There are no "could have"s with free software, you imbecile fear-mongering ignorant asshole.

>>58861612
Who do you trust more, the Debian developers or the Devuan developers?

>>58863023

>Who do you trust more, the well known people that's been doing what they do for 20 years, or the literally-whos that started last year?

I don't know...

>>58847627
Dude, you should apply to Microsoft. They are looking for people like you.

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>>58852648
That's really a shitty attitude though, "well just do this but shit might not work right ;^)"

I will probably move to BSD but I hate fucking changing OS's, that's why I installed Debian in the first place. Fucking New World Order init system.

>>58857996

>>58853411
>Unix users hate Unix philosophy
Into the trash YOU go.

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>>58861612
The point is this piece of shit systemd software is too large and swiftly changing to even BE audited. If you're a little baby child try reading Reflections On Trusting Trust.

>>58865023
>unix
>ghanoo/linux


My pc isn't a PDP11.

>>58865044

And how is it that bigger projects get audited just fine? You fags are just grasping at straws. Come with proof or shut the fuck up, anyone can make claims about anything.

>>58846133
>How does systemd affect me as a user?

This "argument" is at the same level as "I don't care about privacy because I have nothing to hide" and "I don't care about free speech because I have nothing to say".

Devuan is a meme.

Install Solus instead.

>>58853353
>>>58852007
>In a way yes, but no.. Suicide. Ian knew how fucked it was getting, he just wanted t0 end the pain.
Init SuicideD