Will normies ruin the IT job market?

>>58843389
>for life
how can you know this? are you so obese you will inevitably die in the next couple years?
if what you say is true, then you can expect a more competitive IT job market in the near future
if you wanted a job market where normal people can't compete with you, you should have studied harder.

>>58843389
if you are a fucking white males, i have bad news for you.

better start taking htr if you want a job

>>58843509
>i swear! it's other people's fault i don't have a job! specifically underprivileged minorities!
wew

>>58843509
>if you are a fucking white males

I'd rather hire a Nigger to program in Visual Basic than to hire a qualified, capable, fucking white fag or asian fag.

Deal with it white faggots.

And by IT, I mean quotas. kek

>>58843389
>If you're a good software developer

That's a gigantic if. Statistically speaking, you and the rest of /g/ are most likely code monkeys who are literally copying shit out of stackoverflow rather than being the one who's able to answer people's questions. The average american is no different than a "pajeet" as far as code monkey status is concerned.

>for life

Top lel. Technology career means constantly updating and refining one's skill set. Only a small fraction of professionals will actually put in the effort to do that.

>Normies realizing that programming is a great career

It's already happened. A long time ago. That's how I know you don't have a job.

>and that it's actually easy

Yeah go create yet another failed startup to show us all how rockstar you are.

>>58843389
Yes.

It's only getting worse as time goes on. There are so many programs and incentives to encourage women and coloureds into IT or engineering. Companies also get good will or sponsorships for hiring "diversely".

We are entering an age where meritocracy is dead and being replaced with a system of large corporations controlling 99% of job openings and they want the cheapest, blackest, femalest person who passed the degree.

Not if you have legit autism and no cs degree. Then it's shit.

>>58843389
CS is STEM you shit.

>>58843389
>normies
Yes, people like you are definitely ruining the market. Thank you for asking.

>>58844379
>Top lel. Technology career means constantly updating and refining one's skill set. Only a small fraction of professionals will actually put in the effort to do that.
Not really. This is true for the majority, but there are specialists too. You can make bank as a COBOL specialist nowadays.

well my cs classes are filled to the brim, but it's some state school that's somewhat big.

>>58843389
>If you're a good software developer, you're set for life.

You're not. You have to constantly keep up with the ever-spinning carousel of new meme languages, libraries, frameworks, methodologies and other flavor-of-the-month reinventions of the wheel to stay relevant. Which might seem cool when you're 20 but trust me: you will get tired of this shit after a decade or two, which is why professional burnout rate among programmers is second to no other profession. And even if you don't quit by the time you're 40 to live on a fucking farm, you'll find out how increadibly ageist this industry is. Oldfags that can write assembly with their dicks have trouble getting hired because they "don't fit the corporate profile" (meaning: they're not easily impressed by free soda and pool table in the office, and they don't believe they Change The World when they pull overtime). Also: the rates _will_ go down. They already have since the time I was a naive young nerdy faggot like you.

tl;dr programming is a shitty career choice.

>>58845073
>▶
see >>58844906

>>58845107
Guys that landed comfy jobs maintaining ancient COBOL codebase nobody understands well enough to rewrite are lottery winners; you might as well base your career on playing actual lottery.

>>58843389
Normies cannot program. Programming is a skill that requires thinking. We live in the age of "omg, I have to remember, like, two passwords?"

>>58845073
>new meme languages, libraries, frameworks, methodologies and other flavor-of-the-month reinventions of the wheel to stay relevant... you will get tired of this shit after a decade or two, which is why professional burnout rate among programmers is second to no other profession.

New stuff is not the reason for burnout. The reason for burnout is it's impossible for most programmers to do more than 6 hours of productive programming work in a day, and employers expect 8 or more.

>>58845198
That's just one of many examples. There are plenty of specialist jobs like that. And I don't think it's comparable to the lottery. All you have to do is learn COBOL well enough to read other people's code and not suck and you'll find something if you look. Just hardly anybody does that because COBOL is fucking cancerous. However, besides COBOL, there are also jobs writing and maintaining assembly for legacy architectures.

Now all that being said, this industry is still very new and those aforementioned projects may very well completely die out by the time an average person entering the industry today retires. It's hard to say.

>>58845238
>actually remembering more than one password.
>using the word "normies"

gtfo

Garbage thread.
kys OP.

>>58845265
>and employers expect 8 or more.
I work for a pretty major corporation and that's not what they expect from me. I am expected to work 6 trackable hours per day. This includes many non-programming tasks as well (ie. documentation, troubleshooting critical production issues, helping others, etc...). The other 2 hours are expected to be taken up by meetings and whatnot.

>>58845284
Businesses want people with experience.

You're not getting a job maintaining ancient code in an old language that you haven't worked with for at least 3 years.

The people who get jobs maintaining that old code are almost always going to be the people who have been managing these old systems for decades.

The lottery is being a new kid and trying to land the first job

>Will normies ruin the IT job market?
>will
ha
hahaha
hah
oh god, people were doing senior projects in django at my accredited university 8 years ago. It's already ruined.

Even the fat, neckbeard stinky guys just play LOL and talk about node.js.
There are no good programmers anymore.

>>58843641
Problem is, you're the unqualified white male on /g/ shit posting.

If I'm dumb and have no problem solving skills but want to learning programming and become good enough at it what should I do?

>>58847371
So what counts as a good programmer then?

>>58844468

Yeah, this tendency truly is cancer.

>>58843389
automation is going to screw most programmers
we'll have the star trek computer you can talk to, you tell it i want a program like this or to do this, and the computer starts making something and you can tell it i dont like this or do like this or tweak this and the computer will do it automatically

>>58850886

gee, i wonder who will program this programming computer.
programmers, possibly?

>>58843389
>If you're a good software developer, you're set for life
You just answered it already. The more pajeets and other dump fucks working IT the more we (professionals) will earn more.
It's an making-money loop. They are hired to do shit. Shit explodes on company. Then Company hire real programmers to do the job.
I'm really happy with this scenario. I try as much as i can to introduce more people to programming too. Increase the amount shit that i will need to clean up on a few years xD

>>58850901
Once AI is sufficiently advanced, programmers will be obsolete.

>>58850886
This is what happens when stupid people try to talk programming

>>58850901
Gee, I wonder how many of today's programmers will be needed (and able) to maintain program-writing AIs? 0.00001%, possibly?

>>58843389
Normies are shit at anything software related.
The only field they ever get into is web development and if you actually are skilled and still in web development you might as well neck yourself.

>>58851044
>Haha stupid normies man
>Like everyone who isn't me is a normie because I say so
>Brb going to work
>Brb going to school
>Brb having friends
>Brb thinking about my relationships
>Brb fucking normies (I don't say normalf*g because that's offensive)

normies are fucking horrible at programming.

you have to have a certain degree of autism to be a great programmer.

>>58851092
t. normie web monkey

Meanwhile the only ones who succeed and actually have decent positions in the industry are people who literally dedicate their life to what they do.

But i guess have fun that your applications land straight in the shredder because you dont have the degree of dedication needed for the job(nowadays this is already enough to qualify as autism since normies stopped putting effort into anything).

>>58843389
My brother spent $10k on a programming boot camp and immediately got a development job afterwards. It is that easy. He's a smart bro, though. Definitely not something your average chad can pull off, but the, barrier to entry is becoming very very low at this point.

>>58851304
>Haha, Greg, did you see that hilarious Reddit post the other day with the frog and the meme text "normies" above it
>Haha, yeah, bro, that was freaking epic
>Yeah I hate normies man
>Yeah bro we're so unique and special and snowflakes, not like those normies

>>58851332
>barrier to entry is becoming very very low at this point.

i wonder why.

>>58843389
yes
normies just want to get by, they just breathe
if they hear that there's a good-paying job in ____ field they'll take it
normies that do well in school are basically the betas in "Brave New World"
they don't actually do anything, they just function but they're also not stupid

>believing "normie" is a meaningful term to descibe people
>these levels of autism

>>58847371
What's wrong with node.js?

>>58851005
Honestly as a person earnestly trying to learn programming, it seems like a pointless field to try to get into unless your dad was a programmer whom you interned under before going to college. Most businesses seem like that. Personally I'm only learning programming to understand computers better and make them do what I want them to do for my own pet projects on my own time from work as a hobby. Plus I'm too old for any company to want to hire doesn't fit the publicity HR crap businesses want to present to the media to try and look like an advanced company rather than one that just doesn't give a shit about it's workers and is going to pay them the least amount so the executives can buy a 6th vacation home and pay the stock holders just enough to keep investing and not dumping the stock.

>>58851951
Well you're aren't going to get anywhere if you don't try. Your problem is your attitude not the system against you.

>>58843389
>The job market in IT is good right now. If you're a good software developer, you're set for life.
>Everyone said that cheap Pajeet will ruin the job market, but it didn't happen to the extent one would expect. Since then, the wages in India and similar countries have risen a lot, so outsourcing becomes increasingly less likely.
>What could kill the job market though is: normies. Normies realizing that programming is a great career, and that it's actually easy (far easier than STEM). I fear that everyone will begin to do it, since their jobs are replaced by the very same software.
For a Guy that listen a lefties wannabe singer you have extreme right ideas