Why do Americans hate trains? You can't claim the country

Because of big oil

>>58826543
Explain why trains are better than cars, to a degree to justify the price.

Who needs trains when you have planes?

>58826543
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbEfzuCLoAQ
also >>>/n/

>>58826572
you don't have to drive

>>58826543
We put all our eggs in the national highway system, making it a literal requirement to own a car if you want to live outside of a densely packed city.

>>58826543
Baby boomers want their own private safe spaces away from the black people who take the bus. Millennials have no such issues and will gladly take public transportation when its available.

But, judging on who we elected President, it is clear who is in control of things right now. And that means more boondoggles to make our gated cul-de-sac communities as white and protestant as possible.

>>58826543
They don't, it's just that some very rich men, bought out all the trains and electric public transport we had in the usa, then shut it down to force everyone to by cars so they could make money on oil/gas. Kinda fucked up when you think about it, capitalism in action!

Freight trains are several times more energy-efficient than trucks, because

1) the rolling resistance of the steel wheels of trains is lower than that of truck tires on the road, and

2) trains encounter less proportional wind resistance than trucks since a train car is partly shielded from the headwind by the car in front of it.

Railroads now move a ton of freight nearly 410 miles for each gallon of diesel fuel used, up from 235 miles in 1980 and 332 miles in 1990. A truck, on average, moves a ton of freight about 100 miles for each gallon of diesel fuel, and emits 3 times as much pollution.

Trains can carry heavier loads than trucks, and several trucks would be required to carry the equivalent amount of cargo that a single railcar can carry. The average fully-loaded truck does as much damage to pavement as 9,600 automobiles.

>>58826602
And if you don't have trains, you don't have to take the train. That's the shittiest reason I've ever heard.

Train is for poorfag, like a bus.

>>58826616
>>58826624

/g/ != reddit.com

Trains are Safer

Taking trucks off the road saves wear and tear on our roads and reduces danger to automobile traffic. Large trucks are involved in fatalities at about twice the rate of motor vehicles on a per-mile basis.

One’s chances of dying as a result of a crash while driving or riding a passenger auto is about 35 times higher than while riding train and 15 times higher than when riding a bus, on a per-mile basis.

If one includes injuries and not just deaths, the differences would be even more striking. When riding a train, one avoidsroad rage, and if you are tired and happen to doze off momentarily, there’s no mortal danger.

>>58826543
Inside the country China has much more concentrated population centers and they are relatively to one side of the country while the US would need to connect the east coast to the west coast and connect from north to south, so much longer railroads.
Outside the country US is not connected to EU by land and there's not a big economy to connect to. Besides, all this pic is is a plan. It seems highly unlikely to be realized.

>>58826572
>you step in
>shitpost on your phone for 10 to 30 minutes
>arrive

as opposed to
>start engine
>put on shitty music or shitty radio
>drive in traffic fearing for your life
>stressfuly look out for pedestrians
>stare at a fucking concrete for 30 minutes
>arrive
>well done car driver, well done, HOWEVER
>you must now find a parking lot
>waste another 30 minutes
>barely park because other assholes who cant park take third of your lot
>now actually arrive

i don't think i fancy that semen slurping form of transportation, thank you very much

In my opinions cars are for "local" use, Trains are for freight and specialist jobs, Aircraft are for moving people long distances and light freight.

Cars are unbeatable for convenience and moderate capability, they're the jack of all trades of vehicles, you can drive, you can be driven, you can move people, you can move freight. They suffer for that freedom though, freight and passenger vehicles share the same roads and congestion is bad for all uses and peoples.

Trains are utterly unbeatable in terms of cost/weight/speed once you're talking long enough distances and large enough loads, unfortunately that doesn't necessarily make them good for personal transportation.

Aircraft are absolute kings of moving large amounts of people large distances quickly, so long as cost isn't an issue. Fast, capable and safe the aircraft is the ideal choice if there isn't much weight involved. Below a certain distance they become less efficient however.

>>58826630
What the fuck are you talking about?
Trains are better because you do not have to sit in them and conduct them (unless of course you happen t be the conductor). Cars, well, unless you have a chaffeur you have to give your full attention to the road and can't sleep. Not much fun when you want to go from China to London, I imagine, compared to a train.

Trains carry more people

The key to reducing traffic congestion is to transport more people in a way that takes up less space. Trains can carry several hundred people. Imagine that you’re stopped at a traffic light and have to wait for 500 hundred single-occupancy automobiles go by before the light changes for you. How many lanes do you think would be required for all 500 cars to cross in ten seconds? Now imagine a five-car train carrying 500 people zipping across the intersection in less than ten seconds. That’s the difference.

A double-tracked rail line has the capacity to carry as many passengers asa twelve-lane freeway going in one direction. Which would you rather have going through your community?

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Is this thread bait?

Trains, whether freight or light rail, are slower than cars, and most people agree that their time isn't completely worthless, so they would rather spend 40 minutes driving a congested 20 mile stretch of road than take public transportation and cover the same distance in 2 hours.

>>58826709

Trains improve quality of life

Driving, say, 30 miles round trip for one’s daily commute can be wearisome, not to mention expensive. AAA calculates the average cost to be 52.2 cents per mile, or $7,834 per year based on 15,000 miles of driving.

While riding a train, one can relax, read a book, learn a foreign language, make new friends, take a nap, and many other activities. Many riders comment on how their commute via rail is less stressful than having to drive the same distance

>>58826709
>Trains, whether freight or light rail, are slower than cars

Are you fudging the numbers by taking loading and wait times into effect or do you regularly drive at over 130MPH? Trains in europe and asia are even faster than that, often hitting 175MPH.

>>58826543
>You can't claim the country is too big because China just built train routes all the way from China to London and all over Asia and Africa.

America has train routes that go from one coast to the other. That's not the problem the problem is people are spread out and train routes to all of these separated communities is expensive for private companies to bother with. Private contractors acting on the behalf of the government would love to waste money on it though.

I wish trains came out where I live.

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>>58826706

Unfortunately, if you live in the U.S., taking a train is at best slow and expensive, and at worst, totally unavailable

>>58826706
this is proposed to be a modern multifunctional train network going at 300 km/h, not only a freight network.

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>>58826709
>mfw I often go from Paris to Lyon in two hours in a train going at over 180MPH, whereas it takes five hours by car

>>58826745

Why does America, a country where early railroad tycoons became some of the richest men in history and wielded incredible influence over everything from city development to education (Stanford and Vanderbilt University were both founded on railroad money), have such a bad railroad system?

>>58826706
>outdated architecture
>barely used for passengers
>barely arrives on time
sad! this is the best america can come up with, it's horrendous!

>>58826543
because to the city i'd want to go, it's a half an hour drive in the opposite direction to get to the train station
for an hour and a half train ride
and then i have to walk or take the subway or hail a cab to get anywhere at the other end

or i could drive the two hours and be able to drive everywhere i need to be on the other end

After experiencing the Shinkansen train in Japan, going back and riding Amtrak is like visiting a crack house in an abandoned building

>>58826774
because america is HUGE

>>58826770
it's easy to build a rail system everywhere in france because the entire country is smaller than the state of texas

>>58826774
We don't need it.

>>58826774
Because our infrastructure is old and expensive to replace and incumbent companies do not care.

>>58826797

China is bigger

>>58826640

Trips are for narcissistic faggots, like you.

I love trains, and wish we had more.

>>58826797
>it's easy to build a rail system everywhere in france because the entire country is smaller than the state of texas
well trains in France go also to Spain, Belgium, Italy, Germany and even further. Plus, Texas is barely larger than France.

This is for freight tho, so you can get your chinkshit from gearbest in a week instead of a month.
The US has lots of rail freight.

sparse population
the US is basically empty in the central west area

Once took Amtrak from northern california to LA. The train was like 8 hours late to show up. The trip took 26 hours to do a 9 hour car ride. We sat on the side tracks for hours at a time.

We need to get our shit together. This would never fly in Europe or Asia.

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In Europe you can go anywhere by train

>>58826572
Same price (concerning gas), free parking, safer, get dropped off where I need to be and not where the parking lot it, better for the environment, can read the paper you were assigned but put off. That's off the top of my head. Negative would be slightly slower.

>>58826827
Way to ignore the whole population density issue

>>58826543
Because Americans love 'control' even if they have to go in debt to get it.

>>58826913
there sure are a hell lot of people in the northern corridor in OP’s picture

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>>58826745
Those junk tractors broke down all the time when i was in the US, they're also noisy as fuck.
And the high speed Acela is way too expensive to compete with flights.

>>58826624
>>58826616
>slurp slurp slurp

In russia they have the trans-siberian, a train journey almost six thousand miles long.

It is slow, depending upon which Train you get it is uncomfortable and rickety.

And people come from all over the world for the experience of riding it.

As a rail aficionado and romanticist I would dearly love to ride the rails across america, I would pay well for the privilege but it is actually extremely difficult to do, the companies are not obliging, the services are not up to par.

It is a terrible shame and a loss.

>Why doesn't a startup buy a train and do sight-seeing trips, make it as famous as the trains-siberian!

HAhaha, oh I wish they could but the problem isn't the TRAIN, it's the rails and routes. Everything is locked down solidly in America, the rail companies have a death-grip on the rails and there's nothing you're going to be able to offer that will change their minds. No startup would get a time allotment on any major american lines.

Such a goddamn shame.

>>58826936
We spent all our money on our military defending Europe the last 50 years from Communism, so they could experiment with socialism and hate America

>>58826543
This video explains it all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbEfzuCLoAQ

>>58826798
Isnt it illegal to use your phone in traffic

>>58826989
Depending on which state you are in

>americans defend this
pottery

>>58827001
You really don't know what America is like, do you?

>>58826665
alright, if we're gonna play the "drastically over emphasize every part of x" game

>somehow get to train station (bike, foot, drive, etc)
>wait in line to buy a ticket or use a pass
>wait for train
>get onto train, depending on area, cramped in with loads of other fags
>sit on a piss stained seat for half an hour
>shove your way out of the train, leave the station
>walk to destination
>destination is a half hour walk away
>what if its winter

fuck that man, compared to
>get in my car
>drive to exact location i need to be or in a parking lot a few minutes away
>all by myself in the comfort of my heated seats and yankee candle beach scented air freshener

eat shit

>>58826543
Trains suck, absolutely
I've been on Moscow-Vladivostok once, you can trust me.

>>58826936
Europeans just have no concept of how absolutely everything is spread out over here.

>>58827012
this

alot of people from other countries really dont know what america is like to get around
its a big place, its still all mainly new structure and city planning, stuff is spaced out compared to european cities

places like the netherlands, where most people live in the same town they work in, many people dont even own cars, because its so compact

compared to america where i work 40 minutes away from my house, the entire area of the netherlands is 16k square miles
the entirety of the metropolitan chicago area is a bit over 10k square miles

and i sometimes have to get there from a state away, it can take me an hour and a half to get to work

thats more than driving across the entirety of the netherlands

>>58827085
This, they think LA to SF is an hours drive.

>>58826543

What is Amtrak?

>>58826543
>You can't claim the country is too big because China just built train routes all the way from China to London

Labor is cheap in communist countries. In America labor is super expensive because of regulations and unions. It's like asking "Why doesn't America produce iphones?"

>>58827107
Not very good.

I'm pretty sure it's all international tourists riding it, because nobody who lives here would waste their time on a passenger rail system that's slower than driving.

>>58826543
>Muh American dream
Trains are collectivist which makes them unappealing to American ideologues

>>58826616
>we

Sorry spic you can no longer pretend to be American anymore. You have to go back now.

Trains for passenger transport make no sense in America.

First you have the infrastructure which by this time is entirely shaped around personal transportation, aka cars.

The public transport system in America is for the most part bad. In some metro areas it's functional but when you get out of the big main cities you might as well walk if you don't have a car because you are not getting anywhere anytime soon.

Trains move a lot of cargo efficiently as bulk, but they need a distribution chain from the station to the end location. With cargo, you have local delivery trucks which take the stuff from train stations or depots and move it around locally. It's the same with passengers, but instead of cargo trucks you have buses and stuff like that. But if you don't have buses, trams, metro or any nearby rapid transport, you won't gain anything by travelling by rail. It's just cheaper to fly, or take your car.

In Europe you have a such a tight public transport system that you can get around even in smaller cities within reasonable time. That's why you can totally take a train to another city, then take a bus or tram to wherever you need to go. You will have to walk under a kilometer from the station to the end location, usually less than half of that.

>>58827110
Why isn't America number one in absolutely everything imaginable?

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>>58827110
>China
>communist
lel
>american unions
ayy lmao you're the communists

>>58827140
???

trains are a huge part of economy, you could have such a gargantuan economy if you just fixed your rail roads
instead you are pleased with what you have

no I'm not saying your economy is shit, read my post again

>>58827110
>>58827096
>>58827085
desu Europe is bigger than the entire USA (only a small 300.000km2 though) but even if you take the railroads in europe as one it's still way way better than yours
your "the country is so big" is really no argument
but yes, your population density is not close to ours

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>>58827149
>literally has millions of actual slaves in re-education camps and hundreds of millions of serfs on collective farms
>not communist

Well it sure as hell isn't free market capitalism.

>>58827147
Capitalism makes that impossible. Hence free trade.

>>58827144
Passenger trains make sense in certain regions and states in America. They do not make sense on a country-wide scale because like over 3/4ths of the country is empty space.

Unfortunately renovating existing infrastructure is incredibly expensive which discourages politicians from publicly backing it plus companies don't give a crap so they're not going to bother either.

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>>58827013
>alright, if we're gonna play the "drastically over emphasize every part of x" game
>>somehow get to train station (bike, foot, drive, etc)

>>wait in line to buy a ticket or use a pass

No lines. You buy your ticket online and 99% of people have monthly or yearly cards. You pay your card online.

>>wait for train

Train times are strict and often and always leave on time.

>>get onto train, depending on area, cramped in with loads of other fags

Trains are never cramped in Europe. In Finland where I live, you can book your own private cabin to suit in our special cabins fire your kids to play in etc.

>>sit on a piss stained seat for half an hour

That never happens. You sit at your seat, plug in your laptop or phone to charge, enjoy the free WiFi, play some games on your 3DS, eat some healthy breakfast, etc
>>shove your way out of the train, leave the station
>>walk to destination

Yes, Americans are fat and lazy

>>destination is a half hour walk away
>>what if its winter

Enjoy the snow

>Americans would rather build a dumb wall than build useful infrastructure

>>58827153
We have space for cars and highways. You don't.

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>>58826652
>>58826945
As usual, the truth triggers the /pol/edditor.

http://www.cliffslateralso.com/TQOrigin.pdf

>yes goyim buy our car then buy our ekhm their oil to power this car you no longer need safe and affordable public transport when you can have private transport!

>>58827197
You don't have to level millions of people's homes in order to build that wall.

I don't think you understand how difficult it is to build any sort of large scale structure through already developed metropolitan area.

Attempting to build an interstate today would be impossible.

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>>58827172
>private property
>no regulations whatsoever towards business
>communist
no
>unions
>regulations
you're commies americuck lmao

>>58827176
your post reminded me of a train I saw just today
it was like 300 meters long and full of new Audi cars

in Europe you see trains like these so often
full with new nice Audi, BMW, VW, Mercedes
makes you think how you transport thousands of cars to the retailers or in other countries
oh wait
you don't
sorry for reminding you

>>58827203
>he wants to tell a German about his american "highway"
Laughable
Mein guter Freund, how about you come for a visit and we take a ride on the Autobahn

>>58827239
How about you come and visit our VW factories here in Alabama. Your gas is taxed to death, as well as your cars. Most simply can't afford them.

>>58827262
Why would I when I live at the source

>>58827272
You fucked up Europe once, you'll fuck it up again.
And Quit acting like the majority of those cars you produce actually go to European drivers

>>58826953
> I would dearly love to ride the rails across america

Same. I like trains. Not NJTransit though, that really sucks and I wish I didn't need to commute to NY

>>58827304
stop acting like I acted that way
as for the first sentence: same goes for you americans with america

>>58826572
higher speed, less traffic, less accidents, you don't need to drive
cars are still cool though

>>58826543
The people who ride trains are mostly people you dont want to encounter.

t. someone who has to ride by train.

>>58827338
We don't start multiple threads daily shitting on our supposed allies. Literally obsessed with proving something is better about your country than America. Its just really wierd.

>>58827385
if you're anal about people just book first class for a few extra yuros

>>58827385
That's the other thing, a lot of Americans are subtly racist and just want to avoid sharing a space with black or mexican people. Having a car is a perfect excuse

>>58827404
yeah, because new yorkers don't shit on the other parts of the USA etc etc
you are one united country
>implications

>>58827427
Being 2m away from all kinds of human scum dosent make it better in anyway, especially since they are still at the train station.

>Americans would rather travel on their mobility scooter than spending money building maglev trains

>>58826572
Lower energy cost.

Faster.

Why has no one ITT mentioned that American gaugue rails are bigger than european? We have heavier, more powerful freight trains that haul more cargo. Freight takes priority over passenger, because mostly poor niggers ride the train. We move freight, both by boat and rail well.

I live in Michigan. Our motto is: Welcome to Michigan, now buy a car. American car cultures permeates more of the population than anywhere else. Owing your own car, knowing how to take car of it, and driving anywhere you want on our stupendous Interstate system (inb4 autobahn shills, it's miniscule in comparison) is part of the American dream.
I am biased towards cars, being from Detroit, but I would still like to see more trains, perhaps even a separate passenger light rail system. I took a train along the Californian coast when I was out there for work, and it was pretty comfy, if somewhat inconvenient.

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>China is building new Silk Roads
>America is building walls

really activates my almonds

>>58828389
America is building rail and clean coal too, Anon. Something which was neglected for far too long.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_rail_transport_network_size

>>58827859
US, Europe and most of Asia use international standard gauge you fucking sausage.

Also your locomotive units are bigger but often less efficient in terms of size which quite embarrassingly can mean that despite your locomotive units individually being more powerful they often have to be ran double-headed anyway in order to maintain efficiency.

You're quite right however that the US has the most impressive rail freight systems in use today and while they may not be pretty any american rail fan can take pride in them, you move so much freight 24/7 that the rest of the world would be in awe, if they understood the figures.

>>58826572
you wouldn't drive from london to vladivostok.

>>58828420
>clean coal

No such thing

>>58828420
>clean coal
Nothing about coal is ever clean.

>>58828420
> Clean coal
Lol senpai, just throw that shit in the river, your buddies in Congress got your back!

>>58826543
Nigger we invented trains

>>58826543
>public transportation

>>58828444
Op BTFO

>>58828420
>coal is not profitable
>trump wants coal back
is he nuts?
make more nukes.

>>58826543

How long would it take to get from Rotterdam to Shanghai by train?

>>58828549
Meanwhile no one knows or cares about your irrelevant government branches

>>58826616
I'm a millennial and fuck dealing with blacks.

>>58828570
>Americans unironically believe this

>>58826616
Fuck yes! White and Protestant! Much better than black and voodoo

>>58828444
US in first with more than double 2nd place China.
It's like the Olympics all over again with Europeans desperately propping up straw man arguments as fast as they can. Yet predictably, USA#1

>>58827186
>Finland
Yeah in the Netherlands trains are cramped as fuck. Populated countries don't have private cabins and shit bro.

Our trains dont have charging spots (only some first class) Wifi is shit, you're travelling at 160km how the fuck do you think wifi is even remotely good.

Also trains are expensive af.

>>58826572
Safer, cheaper, faster, and you can sleep... so more time efficient. Or you can drink if you're not into sleeping. I love getting wreked going 400kph heading into tokyo.

>>58828660
Bad goy, you need diversity.
Suburbs are fucking garbage but I can't blame parents for moving to them.

>>58828674
The Japanese rail system is truly GOAT. I was there for work, spent a month after my job was over traveling all over. The trains were clean, inexpensive, timely, fast and they went everywhere.

I still like the freedom of a car, but the US population density is nothing compared to Japan.

>>58828593
Well, it's a 12 hour flight, so I'd say, 4 days at 70mph average + stops

>>58828723
It's worth noting that part of this is because the japanese rail system tends to carry japs.

If you put niggers on it the whole thing would rapidly seem less appealing.

>>58828549
Can't make this shit up.

>>58826750
Nigga, it's 5 dollars

>>58828742
The system is also pretty technologically advanced in itself.
It's a vicious cycle in a way: Public transportation is the rapid dindu delivery system in America, so no one invests in it, but being the rapid dindu delivery system it becomes even more dilapidated and low-tier as compared to European/Asian systems.

>>58826616
>Millennials have no such issues and will gladly take public transportation when its available
Speak for yourself

>>58826616
Fuck that shit. I'm a millenial, and I know how loud and obnoxious niggers can get on a train. I'm sure you live in some sterilized upper class area where there are plenty of respectable blacks, but I don't and niggers gonna nig 70% of the time coming to and from the Boroughs.

I wish they would stay in their containment counties.

>>58826572
Trains are cheaper than cars.

For transporting goods. Trains aren't for passengers anymore.

>>58827213
I don't understand why they ridicule me, it's totally within the realm of reason that an oil tycoon could use his money/influence to manipulate society/law/legislation/what have you, for personal gain. It's happened time and time again.

>>58826602
That's a con, especially once you consider you only have transportation from station to station meanwhile you can take your car anywhere

>>58826680
That's a good point, if you consider how much more time we'd have to relax instead of focusing on the road, trains don't seem bad. Shit not too many years ago I road a school bus, boy the best experience but not bad, you can listen to music/read or just doze off.

>>58826665
>start engine
>play your favourite driving music
>enjoying every second of it
>taking the backroads, admiring the scenery
>park on the road and just walk a few blocks because you're not a fat lazy fuck

Kill yourself, you dumb fucking shit stain.

>>58827186
This seems vastly superior to cars, not to mention the fact that you don't have to pay for car insurance/maintenance.

However there is one big drawback, you don't have to freedom to drive where you want when you want, at a moments notice. With no car you are subject to the trains system which means you are reliant on it.
This is less of an issues with services today such as Uber or lift, but can be costly.

I don't see people in the country ever switching from cars.

>>58826543
Please don't tell that you thought these trains are made to carry passengers

>>58826572
Trains are way cheaper, the only thing expensive is the implementation.
Also everyone ITT is a fucking retard.

>>58826706
where is this supposed highspeed train from san fran to la. last time i checked it didne even goto fresno

>>58828519
>>58828536
samefag

>>58826706
where is this supposed highspeed train from san fran to la. last time i checked it didnt even goto fresno

>>58826543
Us freight train network is one of the worlds best.

>Be europoor
>refugees take railroad into country

>>58830078
Good luck trying to park your care just outside your office, on the 31st floor of a corporation build.

>>58830375
It's a work in progress
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail
>California High-Speed Rail is a high-speed rail system currently under construction in the U.S. state of California

>>58830401
>implying everyone lives in a big city
>being such a fat fuck you can't walk a block or two

Trains are fucking gay. Anyone who likes trains should probably fuck off to 1chan and never return. Maybe lay down on top of the tracks while he's at it.

>>58830420
Isn't that Musk fellow doing something with trains under L.A.?

>>58830433
>not living in a big city
Are you some kind of Texan farmer?

I weight 112 pounds, btw.

>>58830462
No, I'm just not a fan of living in a shithole. I'll take a nice small city that's an hour or two's drive from a big one over living in a big one any day.

>>58830401
You cityfags just have no concept of the real world do you?

>>58830420
>train producers interested:
>alstom
>hyundai
>hitachi Italy
>bombardier
>talgo
come on this is a joke, murrikans don't have any company that can build high speed trains?

>>58827013
I know you were going for the "If I exaggerate your circumstances, it can look bad too!" route but you failed terribly.

Taking the train is objectively better, there's no going around it. Finding parking is always a nightmare.

>>58830530
Nope. In Arizona, even our very basic train was outsourced to Japan.

>>58830479
I live in Austin.
every time i pass a shitty town in the middle of Nowhere, Texas i always wonder how these people earn a living.

>>58830608
I live in the smallest city of a tri-city area with 30k people, plenty of places for work.

>>58830776
what is the employment rate?

>Ask various companies to produce you a brand new high-speed train

>US manufacturers:
Sorry Sir, we don't make high-speed locomotives.

>UK manufacturers:
Oi oi mate we'll slap ya an 'igh-speed choo-choo togevvur in no time like, lickety split. It don' matter ifn the doors don' close, do it?
Issit awrite ifn its twenny yeahs outta' date?
Solid mate, solid.

>Japanese manufacturers:
nip nong ping pong magrev chickren flied lice

>>58830829
No clue, the place is loaded with factories that employ hundreds to thousands each though

>>58826543

The US has a strong prevalence of vehicle ownership compared to other developed countries, almost 7x that of China per capita.

The cost of a train ticket is generally slightly cheaper if not on par with the cost of driving since the US has very low oil costs.

Public transport as a whole isn't great in the states, so more prefer to take their own cars if they have them available since arriving by train could force them to rent a car.

Trains generally aren't that much faster than driving on the US highway system (avging 75mph)

>>58830873
See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_per_capita

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>>58830845
>No Ford trains

>>58830873
>Trains generally aren't that much faster than driving on the US highway system (avging 75mph)

A statement like this is utter nonsense unless you specify what trains are so slow.

The UK's rail network is terribly out of date, lacking superelevation and other optimizations yet still has a national limit of 125MPH, which it's aging and haggard fleet of locomotives meets with ease. Many of these trains need the passengers to slam the doors closed, that's how fucking out of date they are.

Why are your passenger runs averaging just 75mph in a country where the distance between stops is greater?

>>58826572
Robotic trains are piss easy.

Human cars/trucks are failable and cost more.

>>58830935
The majority of Amtrak's lines run on freight-owned and maintained trackage. We have nothing like Network Rail. The level of service they choose to maintain the tracks at are generally at 60-80 MPH. Beyond 79 MPH, passenger trains are also required to have some sort of automatic cab signalling, which most freight operators also don't maintain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_speed_limits_in_the_United_States#Track_classes
The situation isn't much better on Amtrak's own Northeast Corridor, due to slow sections of outdated track and grading.

>>58830935
>Why are your passenger runs averaging just 75mph in a country where the distance between stops is greater?
75mph is the speed by car on the highway

>>58830978
this actually made me laugh. Good burgerlogic. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the auto lobby that pushed this, along with the concept of jaywalking.

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>>58830893
General Motors made trains for quite some time though before selling the business.

>>58831004
What's so funny?

>>58826677
trip dubs speaks truths

>>58831006
Well it's to be expected of a company like GM, but other murrikan car companies not trying to get into these types of infrastructure businesses specially after how bad the car market is now and their own bad corporate situation, says it all about their management and also about the US govt not incentivizing this type of stuff instead of just salvaging their ass with free tax payer money.
But hey local federal govt officials gotta get them sweet bribes from foreign companies.

>>58831091
So how bad is the North American car market, and how bad is each of the different corporate situations so horrible, specifically?

>>58831004
So you don't know why this rule is in place?

>>58831091
The US already has a locomotive industry though. GE, EMD, Westinghouse control the domestic market, compete in the international market, and builds products only tangentially related to what the auto industry builds. And all the good railcar manufacturers of decades ago were either bought by European companies or went out of business. The US literally has no base of knowledge to build a competing transit company these days.

>>58831120
Chrysler went bankrupt and had to be sold to FIAT / VW.
GM went bankrupt and had to beg Oboogo for tax payer money
Ford went bankrupt even before the 2008 crisis, back in 2006 and had be bailed out as well.

>>58831176
>compete in the international market

Is that what they tell you?

>>58831176
>compete in the international market
what? the only GE thing i've seen outside the US are airplane turbines, no one buys your locomotives except amtrak.

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>>58831196
Yeah, what (((they))) tell me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GE_locomotives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GM-EMD_locomotives

>>58831034
Just picturing the auto industry lobbying rail regulators to set max speed limits the same as cars, to make it "fair" and wrecking the rail advantage. Capitalism at it's finest, where the rich secure the income of the rich.

>>58831132
I'm sure it's explained as some balance between utility (speed) and cost to repair, but the fact is there are dozens of countries around the world who make it work at higher speeds and maintain reasonable costs. The fact you have underutilised rail and spill over onto long distance trucking, which is objectively worse suggests that it's just bad, or deliberate, mismanagement to advantage some other sector that can influence regulators.

There are plenty of reports out there that show why it would be an economic nightmare. From the way we build cities to just the pure costs of connecting this massive land. Why don't you complain about Canada and Mexico too? They also don't have a good rail system. Our city building style is structured around cars, not trains.

>>58831245
Special orders really shouldn't count, that's not "competing on the market"

>>58831282
>Why don't you complain about Canada and Mexico too?
Mexico is a shithole and the american car manufacturers' backyard.
Canada has even larger distances between urban centers than you do.

>>58831189
So stuff 10 years ago?
What makes you think trains are cost effective anyway?

>>58831266
Stop being autistic. Freight rail in Eurasia is not significantly faster than in US. American freight rail has also largely retreated away from specialized time-sensitive shipment to massive bulk/intermodal transport, leaving trucking to pick up the slack by choice. Also consider that the relocation of many industries from the Northeast to the Sun Belt leaves businesses situated better near highways than freight corridors.

>>58831284
No other manufacturer has the diesel locomotive market cornered like GE/EMD do. It's not Europe but Africa/South America/Southeast Asia that are the major clients.

>>58831317
>So stuff 10 years ago?
you kidding? those companies stay out of bankruptcy only thanks to consequent govt loans

>>58831366
Yes, I'm continuing now to laugh.

>>58831266
No, you really don't get it. We have a very nice system where all our cargo travels on rail to be off loaded to trucks at very frequent rail yards. Inter-modal trucks are a huge part of our system. Do you really think you have it all figured out, living thousands of miles away, knowing actually jack shit about anything?


>>58831382
Ford is great, and so is GM. It was one loan, and the government made money off it.

>>58831366
>No other manufacturer has the diesel locomotive market cornered like GE/EMD do.

What the fuck am I actually reading right now.

>>58831282
Canada has massive land and only like 30 mil people and incredibly harsh winter conditions. Fixing their system is going to take more than just money being thrown at it. In comparison, the American rail system can be fixed with money thrown at it, it's just y'all don't care due to the auto industry having such a HUGE deathgrip on y'all.

>>58831413
See, mostly all you've done is pivot away from talking about speed in favour of specific container shapes because the 75mph limit is bogus.
This is why I'm laughing.

>>58831448
Driving more than 75mph is dangerous as fuck m8.

>>58831430
Why would I want to spend trillions on a train system? Why?

>>58831313
>>58831430
I think you forget just how equally massive United States is. Alaska by itself would be a massive country by itself. Connecting all our major cities would we just as big as a feat as it is for Canada as well.

>>58831462
And yet hundreds of thousands of journeys - both rail and road - are made at higher speeds than that all over the world.
America, please get better at operating vehicles.

>>58826543
Because when the rich assholes who fund our politicians decided they wanted a superhighway system to justify selling automobiles they fucked over the railway companies with propaganda, and now most Americans think of trains as "old fashioned". Even modern bullet trains are portrayed as novelties, and most consumers think cars are the most advanced means of travel invented.

>>58831448
It's literally not economical to run a truck continuously at 75 MPH, or a 10K ton freight train for that matter. You're laughing at capitalism and not any sort of meaningful regulation. Name some places where they run freight >80 MPH.

>>58831506
Seriously, why do you care?

>>58831506
We have the lowest rate of fatalities, so how can we get much better than the best?

Literally number 1

>>58831429
Literally what other manufacturer has significant international diesel orders? Vossloh?

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>>58828420
This is the price of """clean""" coal.

>>58831569
That's chyna, you dipshit. Nothing is clean there.

>>58831448
There are some states that have an 85mph speed limit

>>58831448
What is so special about high speed? Is it more economical or something?

>>58831521
There are already air freight replacement services in Europe leveraging the high speed rail infra previously dominated by passenger routes.

>>58831532
I'm don't, I was just laughing at Americans and you all came out to defend dumb ideas.

>>58831554
Lowest rate of fatalities in what? Most results I find don't agree.

>>58831591
Which goes to show that the general 75mph limit is bogus, and can go even higher as has been demonstrated elsewhere in the US and globally.

>>58831625
>Which goes to show that the general 75mph limit is bogus, and can go even higher as has been demonstrated elsewhere in the US and globally
These are states like SD where there's literally nothing for hundreds of miles, it's not like the others where you pass towns constantly

>>58831625
Where do you live?

>>58832073
Republic of Britbongistan, ironically the only place with worse rail than the US. But at least we understand that.

>>58832094
But you have no land. And only half your people have cars. Of all the things to pick on america for, our passenger trains? Strange.

>>58832127
In a thread about trains, it would be far stranger to pick on you for, say, your broken healthcare system.

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The Hyperloop One will fix this.
Elon Musk will save us.

>>58826543
TIL theres water trains from GB to the Mainland...

>>58832233
Just in case you're genuinely ignorant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Tunnel

>>58826543
America has an excellent rail system, and it serves the country best by moving freight.

/pol/ and /n/ have debated this topic to death already, get this shit off /g/.

>>58826543
America hates publicly funded anything, and public funding is the only way you can get actually useable train networks.

big business and special interests sabotaged the public transportation industry and manipulated people into not using it

>>58826543
We have these magical flying things called aeroplanes.

They zoom through the air in a straight line and aren't limited to where strips of metal can be laid.

>>58826543
>China just built train routes all the way from China to London
Your own graph says this is a proposed project to be completed by 2020.

Dumb fuck.

>>58827304
>You fucked up Europe once, you'll fuck it up again.
t. 60% white

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>riding chinese built rail
>[current year]

>>58832366
Planes have to follow routes.

>>58832442
which are almost always straight from point a to b...

>>58830462
Nigga bragging about being anorexic

>>58832477
I am perfectly healthy.

America has been doing multiculturalism longer. It knows how to get things done.

Public transport is dangerous because there is nothing between innocent people and dindus.

A thick metal car wall is necessary to protect your family from the elements and dindus.

This is unnecessary in eastern Asia, but necessary in the US. Europe is still head in sand, so they get killed in trains unless Americans are there to rescue them.

>>58831587
Hell they even fry their foods with oil from the fucking sewer, I'm deadass.

>>58832483
So you're a midget?

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>>58826665
This.
Until they make some type of Electric Pod Car, i'll continue to use trains.
Ideally it has to be as fast as a car, autonomous and on rails (Maglev).

https://youtu.be/Byk8LcPovOQ

>>58832483
That's a fucking lie unless your like 5'6" or below.

>>58832503
>oil from the fucking sewer
how does that even work? do people shit crisco there?

>>58832529
Dude I don't fucking know how they do it but
https://youtu.be/e7S7r31cjAQ

>>58832515
>>58832504
Don't be so narrow-minded. Of course I'm too skinny, but that's just my metabolism, I'm not unhealthy as an anemic person. My blood rates are all stable and, although I don't eat a lot in volume of food, I don't eat junk shit and eat a considerable variety of aliments.

>>58832546
Holy shit we should have let the japs finish the job during WWII.

>>58832570
China is the wierdest place I've visited, even my fiancée who is adopted from the Hunang province was disgusted.

>>58832405

Google China London train.

First train just arrived there

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>>58832617
Orphans are full of self hate

>>58832510
>CCTV pointed at useless bits of track
why do people even live in britain

Honestly, I like public transport.

I have to go to college. The commute is half an hour by car, a bit under 1 hour by bus. You'd think I'd take the family car that usually doesn't get used day to day (parents both work 5 blocks from home), but I don't. I take the bus and sleep in my seat. Never, ever missed my stop in 3 years. I can fall asleep just about anywhere. On the way back during the afternoon I nap. It's nice, I just put my head against the window and in 2 minutes I'm asleep. Next thing I know I'm two blocks from my stop. I get off a couple blocks from my university and the way there is a really nice and charming wooded area, so I enjoy the walk.

I have to go to the capitol every once in a while and it's the same. Gas costs a few bucks, there's two $4 tolls on the way, and you drive for 45 minutes. You get stuck in a jam, 2 hours of pushing a pedal on-off. Bus ticket costs me $5 and it's the ones with the comfy reclinable seats, curtains, and air conditioning. A bit over an hour to get there, and I take a short nap. Traffic jam? Nice long nap, if I'm not in the mood I just pull out the book I keep in my backpack and just read leisurely.

I plan my shit out so I'm usually not so fucking pressed for time, if you cram shit into every waking moment of your day this obviously doesn't work.

>>58826543
It's not just that the cities are far apart, everything in the cities is far apart. For most Americans a car is necessary to move around town, so if they need to travel to a different city they will just use the car they already have.

>>58827013
>wait in line to buy a ticket or use a pass
who the fuck buys tickets for ANYTHING in-person anymore?

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Trains require long, flat stretches of land, and in short of that, re-engineering the land to level it out. China will just build shit and not give a fuck what's in the way.
US too, but whatever's in the way, human or not, usually has more options for recourse.

>>58832566
I'm too skinny too, but I don't lie to myself and tell myself that I'm perfectly healthy. We're both underweight, you may be otherwise healthy, but your weight is unhealthy.

America will never have decent rail face the grim reality

>>58827013
This is how America goes to shit, your brainwashed ego

>>58826616
>Millennials have no such issues and will gladly take public transportation when its available.

you're insane if you actually think this.

>>58830396
>one of the best
I suppose when it's somewhere in the top 100 of all 196 countries in the world you can say you have "one of the best"

>>58826626
Nice post anon

>>58827013
>use uber to get to train station
>phone directs me to my train
>use ticket on phone to get on train
>bring train blankie to cover up piss stain
>take an uber to destination

It's simply not economical when the average person weighs 200kg and takes up 3 seats.

>>58827186
>Finland
>a country with less population than Berlin
>Trains are never cramped
oh what a surprise

>>58826774
because many people dont' live in urban hug boxes and those that do don't leave and those who don't trains are pointless

>>58833660
ebin

>>58826543
All trains lead to Germany.

>>58830401
>Good luck trying to park your care just outside your office, on the 31st floor of a corporation build.
Please tell me where these mythical trains are that stop just outside my 31st floor office.

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>>58833660
Transports up to 40 heifers. (Or 150 Jews.)

>>58833713
>Sonderzug nach Dachau

>>58827013
>>wait in line to buy a ticket or use a pass
What is this? 1920?

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I don't know how Americans can have anything against trains.
They're lovely.

>>58833872
>not paying for everything you can with cash

>>58833878
Trains are pretty neat, the problem is that they only go from station to station. Meanwhile I can drive my car to an exact destination.

>>58833880
In Japan at least you can buy IC cards for trains with no personal information (straight from a machine) and top them up from machines with cash.
The ticket gates can also get people through at a rate of 60 per minute, so you almost never have to wait more than a few seconds to get through a gate and you only have to watch out for massive congestion on the trains themselves at a few certain times of day, where you would be fucked in traffic anyway.

Basically the only reason why a similar train system wouldn't work in western countries is because westerners are fucking idiots.

>>58826595
> cant build trains because densely populated places have houses
> cant build trains because less populated areas are less populated
Europe, China, Japan etc have all of that and even when high speed proper can't be done, 80-120kmh trains can still be arranged inside and between cities and surrounding villages.

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>>58833915
suica is so convenient, why can't we have anything like this in the west?

>>58826572
>no stress
>cheaper since you don't have to pay for a driver's licence, the car, overall maintenance and gas
>arrives faster over long distances
Even if you have to travel by train every day it would be cheaper and less time consuming than a car, overall.

>>58834033
>doesn't enjoy driving
I though /g/ didn't have any women on it

>>58827186
This is the case on Norway as well.

>>58834052
Women don't enjoy driving? Since when?

>>58833891
Yea, but that's why civilized Europe has more public transport.

You can get from somewhere near the Oktoberfest in Munich to a castle in a more sparsely populated place in at a lake near the south of Switzerland in the Alps by public transport in 6 hours (two trains, two subways in munich, one bus in Switzerland).

Just in time to realize you're sober now and at a castle in the Swiss alps.

>>58828389
One's starting their Golden Age

Other's defending itself from perceived threats

>>58834064
PS: With a car, it'd take you 5 hours instead.

But you're driving the whole time. It won't end well.

Also when you're sober you're still driving for 5 hours rather than shitposting, eating and drinking, doing work, or catching some sleep. And it usually costs you more in fuel and car maintenance and all that.

>>58833971
Can you use them on non JR train lines?

Do trains in the west often fall under unifying operators? If not, that's why.

>>58834063
I never said women can't enjoy driving, I said if you don't then you're not a man.

>>58834086
>Also when you're sober you're still driving for 5 hours rather than shitposting, eating and drinking, doing work, or catching some sleep
You say that like it's a con

>>58834096
>I said if you don't then you're not a man.
No, you said he was a woman. That's different to not being a man.

>>58834064
>>58834086
This is just cringe to read. The USA is immensely more vast than Europe and people have about 3 times more living space than us.

On top of that the USA actually is build upon trains. Where in Europe we like to use rivers for heavy duty transport (hence all our industrial cities are located alongside rivers or the sea) in the USA they use trains. It's even possible for train companies there to just drop off cargo somewhere along the route, no government clearance needed.

>>58834101
If you're not a man, you're a woman.

>>58826665

>drive in traffic fearing for your life
>stressfuly look out for pedestrians
>literal "I can't drive for shit": the post

You know what, yes, take the train. Roads are a much better place without faggots like you clogging it.

>WANTING to use public transit
Jesus christ this is pathetic. I'm from a country with arguably the best public transit systems in the world and even I prefer my bike for short distances and a car once I go out of town.

Train might be nice if you're heading to the airport but for daily use it's utterly worthless. All busses and trains are filled with moutbreathers and niggers, what does that say about you?

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>>58833971
Australia also has cards similar to the Suica, but they have different cards for each big city.
The Suica is better because it's used all over Japan and you can use it to pay for other stuff not just for public transport.

>>58834096
>it's the "muh manly driver" autist
If you don't ride horses you're not a real man.

>>58830893
>ferrari
I bet they break a lot.

>>58834146
>autist calling regular men autists
How cute.

>>58826572
Cars cause impotence

>>58826543
Because Henry Ford was so filthy rich he passed legislation to make sure America's infrastructure was built around cars instead of more efficient and environmentally friendly transportation.

>>58834156
What a saint.

>>58834117
He could be a very intelligent cow.

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>>58834096
>You say that like it's a con
Well yea, it is a con. I'd much rather shitpost. All. the. way.

>>58834110
>The USA is immensely more vast than Europe
Europe is actually bigger than the USA - 10.18 vs 9.8 million square kilometers. And Alaska (which might be almost ignored in terms of "needing" a lot of passenger railways) is 1.7 million square kilometers of that.

But I guess Europe has more people.

> and people have about 3 times more living space than us
What does that mean?

Either way, I'd be fine if the railway network in the USA wasn't extending all across Alaska and the sparsely populated deserts, but there is no excuse for not having a good grid near the cities at the coast and between major cities.

>>58834133
Don't they also bill you instead of charging the card as well?

>>58826616
Care to explain why is that a bad thing?

> Protip: you can't.

>>58826616
Millennial here, fuck public transportation

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>>58834110
>On top of that the USA actually is build upon trains. Where in Europe we like to use rivers for heavy duty transport (hence all our industrial cities are located alongside rivers or the sea) in the USA they use trains. It's even possible for train companies there to just drop off cargo somewhere along the route, no government clearance needed.
I don't care much between cargo rail and cargo shipping as long as the ships don't dump their engine waste into the sea.

Since they can't sail the rivers under the flag of panama or something, that's all right.

But hey, US rail cargo isn't doing bad. It's just public transport for people that is usually horrible.

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>>58834201
Also, another flaw of the US railway system is this.

Can't use Hydro/Nuclear power to make the trains run.

I actually work in the rail industry.

The US has the most efficient and advanced freight system in the world. They are leagues ahead of Europe, which has tons of interoperability issues that are essentially unsolvable until standards are enforced across the continent.

Public transit is a different matter. Whereas freight becomes more efficient over huge distances, the efficiency of public transit is a function of population density, which for the most part the US doesn't have.

But we need to give them credit. They are decades ahead in freight.

>>58826543
nobody cares enough and public transport is for niggers

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>>58834247
>the efficiency of public transit is a function of population density, which for the most part the US doesn't have.
It has it in large areas along the east coast and at the very west coast.

>>58834285
Which is why he said "for the most part"

why is it cheaper to fly than to take the train?

>>58834307
More people fly so it's easier to bring the cost down

>>58834291
But in context, nobody is suggesting that we should measure the USA's public transit system in deserted region in Alaska or the extremely sparsely populated desert regions.

It's about why the fuck you don't have okay public transit in the reasonably populated areas. Which the USA has.

Can't be like "but it's only a coherent region of the size of about Spain, France, Germany and some more, we don't really have a chance to build some public transport". Or "only a stretch of west coast line about the area of Switzerland, Austria and Czechoslovakia combined".

>>58834322
>It's about why the fuck you don't have okay public transit in the reasonably populated areas. Which the USA has.

Outside of CA, NY, and the like? Barely. Have fun pushing public transport across states that could be barren for miles.

>>58826543
>2 days
no. At best 2 weeks.

> cargo trains
LOL NO. Quadruple the cost of transport (copared to ship) for half the time... for CHINESE GOODS. Because, guess what, the cargo trains will get BACK to China empty. That's just madness.

>>58834339
Yea, just all the reasonably populated areas on that map.

The major *train* lines usually skip many kilometers between stops even in Europe and just stop in the biggest towns (these only with certain connections) and cities in the region. Locally there are then buses, trams, subways, taxis etc. to get you near the right street and house.

If you're going to a smaller town instead, there's usually a bus or something instead of a nice railway. Or you do ride a car, yes.

>>58834381 (cont'd)
Here's a cool map of how it is in Switzerland. Might as well be 2 major cities and surrounding areas in California.

Zoom in sufficiently and you can enable not only longer distance trains, but also show buses and ferries and such.

Also can show all the public transport stops to give you an idea. Most very small towns got a bus stop or two.

http://fahrplan.sbb.ch/bin/query.exe/en?view=map&SetGlobalOptionGO_callMapFromPosition=mapQuery&ChooseFromMap=yes&

>>58834322
We have cars. And what you want costs trillions.

>>58834285
shouldent germany be brown? instead of a red-ish color?

>>58834487
Europe has no streets and cars right? Actually, US streets and bridges are often in a state of affairs I only saw in Eastern Europe. Highways with lots of holes and all that...

You're richer on a per capita average plus you can build it all now with todays big nice machines and materials, so whatever it cost Europe it should be easier for you to get good public transport in these large (but smaller than Europe) civilized regions.

The more you drive, the less intelligent you are

>>58834307
Only long distance. A train return ticket is 1.5€ for a ride of 30km here. That's affordable.

>>58834547
>Actually, US streets and bridges are often in a state of affairs I only saw in Eastern Europe. Highways with lots of holes and all that...
Varies greatly from place to place. Some cities have great roads and others just go full retard. For example, last year my city redid a nice smooth blacktop in the middle of town with gravel. Meanwhile the road right next to it is dilapidated to the point that it's barely usable and gravel actually would've been an improvement.

>>58826543
>Why do Americans hate trains?
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>>58826973

Thats largely the reason.

HOWEVER.

With driverless cars comeing likely within 10 years, I can honestly see services where you hire a driverless car, it takes you to a destination that works as a refuel, and you take another car to another one.

Probably would cost more then a bus, but how many of us would gladly pay more to not be on a bus? how many of us would pay a bit of money to never fucking drive again?

If I could commute 2 hours a day driverlessly, that opens a fuck ton of options for employment as I no longer have to worry about gas or pissing my time away.

I don't follow the purpose of the post besides to mislead or shitpost. Trains take people between destinations everyday in the USA and it's usually cheap. Freight is a much bigger deal between coasts and hubs where it hits trucks. No country even comes close to the amount of rail or trucks/car to haul freight or people. Planes are the other. If you're in some highly dense sardine can called a european country you likely can't afford a car much less a decent one. You're usually pigeonholed into taking a bus or train and being reliant on the nanny state. It's like Euro's are children.

Ok Fuck trains. Fuck em and we neither need not want them.

And the reason why is dead fucking simple.

For short trips a car works on MY schedule and MY schedule alone. Whereas trains operate on the schedule of the business running them.

Fuck that. We do shit ourselves and self rely here. We do not do communial pointless bullshit for the sake of everyone else. We do not make our schedules around the needs and whims of others as we also expect those fuckheads to be self reliant as well.

It's wonderful. Unlike your bullshit.

And for long distance travel a plane is simply faster and better. The end.

A train does NOTHING that an alternative doesn't do better...except virtue signaling bullshit. Now Fuck off back to your caliphate Euro trash.

>>58834092
From my own experience I back in 2012 I could only use my Suica card in the Kanto area, but in 2014 when I went back there they had started harmonizing all systems (PASMO, Suica, etc.) and I was able to use my Suica in e.g. Kumamoto and Kyoto.

Oh and I'm addition...public transport sucks for one other reason...DIVERSITY.

You see Euro scrum diversity sucks ass and surrounds you with shit heads at all times. You only recently discovered this yourselves (how are those rape gangs and no go zones treating you btw?) but America has had this Hell forever.

We actively AVOID any and all public transportation we can. Unless it's a plane...people in ghettos can't afford plane tickets...thank fucking Christ. Even setting foot on most public transportation is asking for trouble.

You euros and your lovely homogeneous societies do not yet know how awful it gets...but your realizing now aren't you?

It gets soooo much worse...you don't know misery yet.

>>58833971
Bureaucracy and special needs. It's the same reason the west has a strong preference for mifare chips even though they perform like shit

>>58834174
They're stored value cards. You can set up auto topup if you want I guess, but the minimum topup being $40 for Sydney can be arse

>>58834573
Yea, I'm sure it varies.

But with all the cheaper road construction (no electric signals, no guard rails, not very level, no artificial water drains etc), roads and bridges in poor shape or disrepair, and so on, it doesn't really feel like you saved the money spent on what Europe put in public transport, and put it into having nicer cars and a nicer road network instead.

>>58834694
Another homogeneous country...of course your public transportation isn't absolute misery.

So anyone want a train ride with America's population of gang banger Latinos and shrieking blacks?

Who the Fuck do you think uses public transit in the USA? Wanna get harrassed stabbed or raped???

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All aboard.

Choo Choo motherfucker...I bet your European and Asian trains are so nice...

America can NEVER experience that pleasant ride I assure you...you spoiled Euro shits with their low crime homogeneous countries

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Tell ya what assholes...ride any American subway system.

After you clean the shit from your Pants we can discuss why people in the United States avoid traveling with strangers on cheap widely available public transport.

>>58834738
> You euros and your lovely homogeneous societies
Homogenous what? You want to bring in some racism?

The top two "heterogenous" nations are then Luxembourg with 43.7% foreign born people, and Switzerland with 28.3%. Never mind that historically Switzerland especially is one huge mixing pot of medieval countries and cultures.

USA has 13.1% foreign born citizens - less than Sweden, Belgium Austria, Ireland, Norway and Spain.

> do not yet know how awful it gets...but your realizing now aren't you?
Awful clean air? Awful ease of not having to look for and massively pay for parking spots in major cities? Awful... something else? Nothing really got awful.

>>58834857
Those people are all European dipshit. You literally do not have any clue what you're getting into.

You have safe racially homogeneous societies...we don't. Your platitudes do not change reality.

2 years of immigrants and Europe's already in crisis mode. It gets worse. This shit is not safe in America.it's a dangerous and terrible idea.

We have cars to keep other people away. We AVOID this sort of thing.

You're lucky to have a nice country...we are not so lucky.

>>58834896
> Those people are all European dipshit
Even more, many are from the Eurasian continent like most of mankind. They're still different cultures.

> You literally do not have any clue what you're getting into.
That makes no sense. Europe has been dealing with Africa and at least part of Asia in one or another way since the beginning of recorded history. And it has been culturally very diverse most of the time & still is.

> 2 years of immigrants and Europe's already in crisis mode.
Just reverting to being lazy racist fucks, something we also can do.

The places that invested some effort towards actually dealing with the refugees/immigrants have no crisis and the effort expended wasn't larger than for some European soccer championship or such. Nothing a country can't handle as a random pet project.

> You're lucky to have a nice country...we are not so lucky.
If so, you only have yourself to blame. It worked okay with all the heterogenous immigration into Europe.

>>58826543
im britbong and fuck trains

seriously just try using the uk public transport

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