What was wrong with 1 GB = 1024 MB?

>>58818962
Because you don't get to redefine the metric system, you stupid fucking Americans,

Si defines giga as 1000 mega. Si people were extremely upset that gigabyte was used to refer to 1024 megabytes. Someone came up with that dumb GiB compromise.

Mostly 1024 MB not being 1 billion bytes.

>>58818962
>>58818977
wtf is GiB?

>>58818981
let me just google that for you

>>58818981
>wtf
>Not knowing your units
Are you 4 years old or some shit?

>>58818971
and???

>>58818993
Are you seriously this fucking retarded?
Do you not know the metric system?

>>58818971

computers didn't use the metric system since their inception

and if the metric system is so good, why are you using base 2 units instead of base 10 units on your OS?

>>58818989
What is goggle?

>>58819003
you left a trailing comma you retart

>>58819007
We don't use base 2 in OS. We just use registers in memory, without any regard on OS level what they are. We use base 2 in implementation of computer hardware.

Anyway, his argument is if you don't use metric system, don't steal terms from it.

>>58818981
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte


Brought to you by linux autist.

Man you guys have no fucking clue how electronics work.

>>58819032
>registers and memory*
to intelligent to proofread my posts

>>58819019
And you missed your capital letter and full stop, and you misspelled a word.

>>58819007
>why are you using base 2 units instead of base 10 units on your OS?
You're making a lot of assumptions there, you reddit-spacer.

>>58819047
I've been using double newlines ever since I came to 4chan in 2009. It's not a sign of reddit poster. Not the person you're replying to.

>>58818962
Computer merchants saw a possibility of selling you 2.4% less bytes for the same price.

>>58818962
The fact that it was objectively wrong?

If you ever refer to a computer device or system and use base 10/1000 instead of base 2/1024

neck urself

>>58819118
You misspelled subjectively.

>>58819197
No, the metric system is objectively defined.

>>58818962
>>58819193
Why don't we measure network speeds in 2^10 then?
1Mbps really is 1 million bits per second.

>>58819232
But words that metric system uses do not exclusively belong to the metric system.

>>58819248
That's something only an American would say.
Kill yourself.

>>58819253
That's a pretty weak counter-argument.
Anyway, I'm Russian. Not like nationality has anything to do with this.

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>>58819263
>Not like nationality has anything to do with this
Yes it does/

>>58819273
You're making a claim that words can't have multiple meaning which is just inane.

>>58819284
We're talking about a technical term here, which usually don't have synonyms and are supposed to be unambiguous.
Then all of these special snowflake Americans come it and fuck it up.

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>>58818962
Permanent reminder.

>>58819303
>technical term here, which usually don't have synonyms and are supposed to be unambiguous.
is this a joke

>>58818962
Apple devices count 1000MB as 1GB

:^)

>>58818962
Système international d'unités, (SI)

>>58819091
this.

>>58818962
>tfw two smart to think 1024MB=1GB
it's clearly 1000MB=1GB if you think about it

>>58818962
Microsoft.
Linux does it right.

>>58819232
Network speed is measured in 10^n because networks existed before computers.

>>58819263
Russian government recognizes usual prefixes as prefixes with 2^10n base.

>>58819426
That's nice to know, but if they didn't, I wouldn't support their decision anyway, which means it matters not to me.
Fuckers are censoring websites left and right without any reason. A tiny administrative region's court can issue a ban for any reason that will affect the whole country. The system in place is insane.

GB means gigabyte. Gib is just a fancy word for give. Like gib money plox

>>58819313
You are right there are code artisans for a reason.

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really tickles your synapses

>>58819303
he said he is russian.
nice strawman

>>58819284
Kilo is a greek word for thousand, just written using roman letters. Thousand has one meaning

>>58819625
But kilo prefix has multiple ;)

>>58819325
I know applefags are retarded, but just so you know - that's correct.

>>58819630
As a unit prefix it doesn't.

>>58819649
Kilobyte is popularly used to refer to 1024 bytes. Just because you or some administrative body considers this to be incorrect doesn't actually make it incorrect. It does have multiple meanings in practice.

>>58819660
>Go around calling a rake a shovel
>People say you're a fucking idiot and what you're demonstrably using is a rake
>Get mad because "U cant tel me waht to do XDD"
t. (You).

>>58819660
>Just because administrative body considers this to be incorrect doesn't actually make it incorrect.
Except this administrative body said kilo is 1000 prefix in the first place.

>>58819660
Human creations and their naming is not up to a popular vote but to a standards committee. You can go around calling kilo 37,36(7) but that's just not true. Something invented/discovered is.

Don't worry anon, it's okay to be wrong. It happens to stupid people all the time.

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Look at all these morons crapping themselves over SI units. Computers don't fucking use SI units because they measure data in multiples of 2, hence their underlying base 2 units.

Just because they use the SI prefixes doesn't make them SI units. A bunch of butthurt idiots decided GiB wasn't fucking retarded and went entirely against binary computing conventions.

>>58819700
Reading comprehension?

>>58819727
>Human creations and their naming is not up to a popular vote but to a standards committee.
That's bullshit. A human language is not decided by any committee.

>>58819679
I am not mad. I keep using Kb = 1024 bytes, just as many other people do, calmly and happily. SI people are mad. SI people are telling me what to do.

>>58819778
>Just because I dress this way does not make me a whore
But you gotta admit it's pretty fucking confusing.

>>58819778
Your computer doesn't actually use kB, MB, GB, etc. It uses the exact number of bytes. There's no difference between binary and decimal except for the fact that RAM comes in powers of 2.

>>58819802
>Kb
That is clearly Kilobit, you fucking idiot.

>>58819844
Depends on context ;)

1 kiblobate = 1.024 kaikliboit

Why is that so hard to remember?

>>58819837
I'm not too intelligent to not know what prefix means from the context.

>>58820026
>twf two intelligent too understand what you said

>>58819789
Yes, yes it is. Or we would redefine "your" and "you're" solely on "it's popular to say "your wrong".

>>58820381
Almost all published texts still use your/you're/you are the way we consider those to be correct.

>>58820381
Trump will fix that.
In 4 years "ur wrong" will be correct.

>>58820412
>In 4 years
>implying.

>>58818962

Fucking marketing people

>>58818962
I'm more upset by people thinking capital K is a SI prefix. It's not.

>>58819305
Good for Microsoft. IEC came way too late (1998/9) to set a standard and change the rules on how things are called. The base-10 notation is worthless in computer space if not for drive/ram manufacturers (since they save bits and still call it "1TB") or services who put data caps (because they're made up figures anyway).

Apple switched in the late 2000s so idiots would stop asking why a 1TB drive doesn't show up as 1TB on their Mac. It's not because they care about standards, it's because they don't want to deal with that shit and took the easy way out (otherwise they'd be using binary prefixes like all the other *NIX systems).

>>58818962
binary prefixes and (2^10)^n measurements should not be used for anything besides SRAM/DRAM sizes.

File storage and transfer just doesn't have any meaningful relationship to power-of-two sizes.

Good to know at least some of g is not completley retarded

>>58818981
A perfect system that should've become standard

>>58819091
This. This. This. This. This.
Jews from the US want to milk us like cows until we're cracked-dry (so dry your skin cracks)

>>58821761
>base-10 is worthless in the computing space
Information Theory has used SI notation for decades, before Microsoft even existed.
You know, actual computer science, not "koders".

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>>58821761
>binary prefixes like all the other *NIX systems
Most GNU software uses SI prefixes.

>>58818962
Using base 10 prefixes for base 2

>>58821813
>File storage and transfer just doesn't have any meaningful relationship to power-of-two sizes.
I agree even though hard drives and file systems usually store data in blocks of 4 KiB but that's a thin argument.

>>58818971
Why do we let yuros even have computers?

>>58818971
They still measure the world in feet and armpits.
All hope is lost.

>>58818962
Nothing OP and infact it's correct anwser.
Confusing part is that 1GB = 1000MB is also correct anwser.

>>58822194
We tried to change once, stopped because old bags that'd be dead in a few years anyway were afraid of change

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Metric system abolished when?

>>58820002
> kaikliboit
I laughed

>>58822169
>GiB
Gigas in Bite

why not b, B, K, M, G, T

 $ du -sh
15G     .

it's an question though, maybe it's used for something else i don't know

Americans hate standards for some reason.

>>58819568
Uh no
Japan Yen and American Dollar were the same, 1 for 1, long ago
It'a because of American Jewish cunts that made the chinks inflate themselves to oblivion because of some spooky ooogabooga magic hot spicy meems

How are we even suppose to pronounce GiB anyway?

I say 'bee' but since it means binary maybe it should be 'bye', but that always sounds awful when combined with byte.

>>58822242
Because you'd be seriously disappointed with your 100M ethernet switch if you thought it referred to bytes rather than bits.

>>58818981
Your mind has been warped by JEDEC I see.

>>58822282
Gibibyte or just GiB

>>58822282
You're supposed to say "gibibyte" and then continue blabbering like an infant.

Or, you could just say gigabyte like a normal person, and then clarify if some autist asks which one you mean.

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>>58822309
>consciously choosing ambiguous terminology

>>58822308
That's funny.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Not

>>58822316
>consciously choosing a word with the repeated "b" syllable

Shit makes me uncomfortable, and it's worth having to clarify in the very seldom cases where the distinction matters.

>>58822308
>>58822336
"geebee".

NIST suggests that in English, the first syllable of the name of the binary-multiple prefix should be pronounced in the same way as the first syllable of the name of the corresponding SI prefix, and that the second syllable should be pronounced as bee

>>58822354
>in English, the first syllable of the name of the binary-multiple prefix should be pronounced in the same way as the first syllable of the name of the corresponding SI prefix
>geebee
You pronounce "gigabyte" geegabyte?

>>58822354
>GeeBees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_izvAbhExY

>>58822354
gee has a soft g, shouldn't it be like gih-bee, with a hard g?

>>58822417
>>58822388

(/ˈdʒJɡə/ or /ˈɡJɡə/)

I hope 4chan doesn't censor IPA notation.

>>58822417
GiB stands for Graphical interchange Bullshit, so it ought to be a hard G

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>>58822434
.GIF is pronounced JIFF
http://www.olsenhome.com/gif/

>>58822439
Jyfe?

What if drive manufacturers were forced to show their drive sizes in both GB and GiB?

>>58822439
I agree, and I posted that retarded comment ironically

>>58822417
Yeah, it should be like band gig, so gibibyte is gih-bee-byte

>>58822429
I didn't know you could say it both ways.
I my language it's pronounced with a soft g, but I've always heard it in English with a hard g.

>>58822464
Then people who cared would be happy at the honesty, and the majority of people would still be confused as to why they can only use 1.6TiB of their 1.8TiB drive due to the filesystem metadata.

What if we create a new unit, based on imperial?

Like
1 ftB = 12 Bytes
1 ydB = 36 Bytes or 3 ftB
and so on.

>>58822500
God bless you

>>58818971
Not from americans you stupid cunt
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Electrotechnical_Commission

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>>58819305
>https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20090611-00/?p=17933

>For an explanation of other storage units, you can consult this helpful chart from xkcd.
>https://xkcd.com/394/

Holy shit they actually reference that xkcd comic.

>>58822500
dubs confirmed. A miB will by 1760 ydB.

>>58820381
Reminder: this already happened to literally.

And I have the argument of "whoa" vs "woah" with people constantly.

This is literally a slippery slope.

>>58820412
>not just "WRONG"

>>58821246
Trump could have done it in a week if he wanted to.

>>58822579
It should go from "league" to "thou".

1 leaguebyte =
3 milebyte =
24 furlongbyte =
240 chainbyte =
5280 yardbyte =
15840 footbyte =
190800 inchbyte =
190800000 thoubyte

God wills it

>>58820412
>"ur wrong" will be correct
I'm more ok with "ur wrong" than "your wrong". "ur" at least maps to "you are" aka "you're"

>>58822662
'ur mom' will be correct, too

>>58822655
So around 5.24 leaguebytes to a Gigabyte.
I can see this happening.

Quick, somebody make the logo.

>>58822748
Decimal points shouldn't be allowed.
So you'd have a file size like
5'10"
= 5 footbyte + 10 inchbyte

>>58822690
see that one bugs me even now

>>58822748

import math

prefixes = [
    ("thou", 1000),
    ("inch", 12),
    ("foot", 3),
    ("yard", 22),
    ("chain", 10),
    ("furlong", 8),
    ("mile", 3),
    ("league", math.inf),
]

def godbless(size: int) -> str:
    result = []
    for prefix in prefixes:
        mod = size % prefix[1]
        size -= mod
        if mod:
            result.append("%d %sbyte" % (mod, prefix[0]))
        size /= prefix[1]
    return " ".join(reversed(result))

4194304 byte =
5 chainbyte 6 yardbyte 1 footbyte 6 inchbyte 304 thoubyte

1234567890
6 leaguebyte 1 milebyte 3 furlongbyte 8 chainbyte 17 yardbyte 1 footbyte 7 inchbyte 890 thoubyte

>>58819383
it's not tho

>>58818962
This is a simple optimization problem. You want to use the least amount of characters, while keeping the acronym understandable (making it understandable for people with Asperger's is not a requirement). Since everybody knows that bytes are counted in binary, you don't need to put an additional 'i' in every single acronym. GB is a perfectly good acronym, while you can still call it "gibibyte" if you think that arbitraty rules are more important than the purpose.

>>58819837
stfu dave

>>58822185
>but that's a thin argument.
yeah, I added "meaningful" as a weasel word precisely in case somebody brought up block sizes for small files.

>>58822579
>>58822500
This is a better solution, using only customary imperial units.

import math

units = [
    ("byte",       "B", 12),
    ("footbyte", "ftB", 3), 
    ("yardbyte", "ydB", 1760),
    ("milebyte", "miB", math.inf)
]

def godbless(size: int, short: bool = False) -> str:
    result = []
    for unit in units:
        mod = size % unit[2]
        size -= mod
        if mod:
            result.append("%d %s" % (mod, unit[1] if short else unit[0]))
        size /= unit[2]
    return " ".join(reversed(result))

Result:

65536 byte =
1 milebyte 60 yardbyte 1 footbyte 4 byte

Short form:

65536 B =
1 miB 60 ydB 1 ftB 4 B

Now someone needs to implement it in file managers etc

>>58818971
I'm all for the metric system. But in a binary system that simply is fucking stupid.

>>58823656
Then don't use metric prefixes

>>58823656
Which is exactly why binary prefixes are a thing.

>>58819091
It's .24 % though.

All I know is every time I partition my drive, I never get the sizes I believe I'm specifying.

>>58823685
I have more a feeling it's for drive manufacturers to sell you x amount of storage and you getting less.

>>58823749
That most likely was a factor but nonetheless base 10 is still dumb to use and using base 10 prefixes for base 2 is too.

>>58823700
It's not.

>>58823749
It's not the drive manufacturer's fault that Windows is retarded and uses binary prefixes labeled as metric.

>>58822336
4/10
Made me slide.

>>58818962
The fact that G represents 1000000000 units, not 1024000000.

>>58824669
you mean "not 1073741824"

>>58824684
By SI standard, my statement is correct.

The 1M = 1024 conversion triggers me a lot.

Goddamn americans

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>>58823700
>>58819091

You're both idiots.

>>58824720
yeah, the SI number in your post was correct, not disputing that
the non-SI wasn't

Isn't like Windows the only operating system in use that reports KB as 1024B?

>>58824766
Pretty much.

macOS: 1 kB = 1000 B
GNU/Linux (mostly): 1 KiB = 1024 B
Haiku: 1 KiB = 1024 B

>>58822439
I don't care what the inventors say. Pronouncing GIF with a J makes no sense, especially when JIF is a file extension.

>>58824858
You should pronounce jyfe, rhyming with knife.

>>58824858
JIF is actually pronounced YIF because it was invented by a German.

>>58824794
>GNU/Linux (mostly): 1 KiB = 1024 B
GNU/Linux is the most confusing of them all since there's no single convention for it present.

My file manager (thunar) does it correctly 1KB=1000B.
But when I do "du -h" I get 1K=1024, and I have to use du --si to get 1K=1000.

>>58824917
If it's just K/M/G by itself (no B) then it's binary

>>58824893
That's why YIFY rips look like animated gifs.
It all makes sense now.

>>58818971
Computers dont use the metric system...

>>58825014
But you're using metric prefixes.

>>58825014
He never said otherwise, dumbass.

>>58824669
>G represents 1000000000 units

Yes, if they're SI units: metres, grams, seconds, amperes, kelvins, moles or candelas.

Fucking bits and bytes are not part of SI though, which is the reason why the "let's use powers of 2 in the context of those" convention worked with literally _zero_ confusion for fucking decades in both academic and consumer electronics worlds, until the latter figured out that shitting on that convention is a great way to make more shekels.

>>58825014
That's why computers get their own, special prefixes.

>>58825129
>decades in academic
Information theory has uses SI prefixes for decades.

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>>58824980
Now I get it, thanks.

I was confused because I had no idea that "du" by default tells you how many blocks the file occupies.

>>58825155
>>58825129
Same with networking.
You're talking about Mbps and Gbps, which is 1 million and 1 billions bits per second respectively.

fucking hell I never even thought about this... why didn't 1024 become the standard? what fucking benefits are to sell say an 8GB flash drive besides jewing more money since you're selling less storage than you really should? Why the fuck did normies have to shill the metric system into computers? REEEEE

>>58825193
>why didn't 1024 become the standard?
The better question is, why did people use metric prefixes in the first place?

>>58825193
>why didn't 1024 become the standard?
It was. But then some drooling retard decided that calling binary "1024" with SI prefixes is a good idea.

>>58825129
>if you use an SI prefix with a non-SI unit it no longer has to mean the same thing
why

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I'll stop now. I promise

>>58825236
They did: 1024 is 2^10
1000 is a convoluted mess in base 2

>>58825290
metric prefixes rely on the powers were 10 is the base, not 2.

Therefore binary prefixes seem like a very logical compromise.

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>>58818962
Giga has a defined meaning. Using it in a different way just because computers are involved is dumb, if ubiquitous.

>>58825290
>They did: 1024 is 2^10
how does that have any relation to the previously established definition of 10^3 besides the number 10 being involved somehow

>>58825236
>The better question is, why did people use metric prefixes in the first place?
Science existed before computers.

>>58825252
>>58825319
When you talk about megadick, you usually mean ~11 inches, not 10^6 * average length of adult human penis.

>>58825529
>using a term improperly as slang justifies using it improperly to actually measure things

>>58825611
>actually measure things
There are exactly 7 such things in SI: length, mass, time, electric current, thermodynamic temperature, amount of substance and luminous intensity. Notice the lack of memory units or dicks.

>>58825893
We're talking about SI prefixes not SI units.
Different things, don't confuse them.

>>58825914
We're talking about how SI prefixes only define quantities for SI units, and why there's nothing incorrect in calling 1024 bytes a kilobyte or an 11-inch dick a megadick.

>>58826017
SI prefixes are unit prefixes. They're not limited to SI units.

Decibel is not a metric unit, yet it's used (properly) with a metric prefix.

Once again, stop changing the definition of precisely defined words because you have a hard time adapting

>>58826064
>International System of Units defines and quantifies things that aren't part of International System of Units
Are you retarded? The very reason why it was possible to "borrow" SI prefixes to name powers of 2 in the early days of computer science was that memory units didn't belong to SI. Deal with it.

>>58826187
SI prefixes are standardized. Chaning their definitions because "thats what i like >:C" is pointless and creates confusion

>>58818981
muh gibs

>>58825290
But aren't bytes technically base 256?

>>58826551
WRONG

>>58826551
bit vs byte is not an order of magnitude. A byte can just be any block of bits, depending on the system architecture. But we've pretty much standardized it to 8 bits.

Multiplying by 8 each time would make everything increase too slowly though, so I think 2^10 was just chosen simply because 1024 is close to 1000.

>>58826551
Yes, base-256 is the largest base you can write with bytes as digits.

>>58819305
>KB
It should be "kB". "KiB" is correct, though.

>>58823401
Check your SI table.

>>58820002
lost my shit

>>58819844
Don't capitalise it when you spell it out. Also, the abbreviated form of "kilo" should actually be in the lower case, so "kilobit" would "kb", whereas "kilobyte" would be "kB".

>>58819849
Just die, you fucking ambiguous cancer.

>>58821506
This.

>>58827430
Except Microsoft ends up using KB, which just make it more confusing. I guess just to match up with all the other capital letters for positive magnitude prefixes.

>>58822351
>actually being scared of looking like a baby
wow

>>58827314
>It should be "kB".
The image quotes "KB" because that is what Microsoft calls 1024 B.