/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

>>58818469
>I AM ROOT

top motherfucking kek

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Bad GNU/Linux experiances time! (I use GNU/Linux as my only OS, but we all have bad times)

>Hear about Alpine
>Want to use FDE with LUKS
>Only like two guides avaliable
>Use one of them
>Fuck up twice with partitions
>Have to add wpa_supplicant by hand to the boot runlevel
>apk fucks up repos, had to fix them manually
>Can't install Firefox so I try to add the edge repo because I'm edgy
>notice that the wiki mentions unstability.... whatever, I'm used to Debian testing.
>Breaks everything, literally everything. Ioctl can't find my wifi card to raise it.
>wew lad, didn't think instability meant literally ruining everything

Installed Devuan instead.

>>58818691
Because it doesn't use bridges and uses Adblock which regular Tor Browser does not.

>>58818764
oh my, I already knew it had package problems but that is discouraging

I'll stick with Devuan too, worked just fine for me

>looking at friend's arch install he made a month ago, after using Ubuntu for years
>Ask why he's logged in as root
>"I always use that account so I don't need to type sudo and my password to do anything"

In my experience (mostly limited to Xubuntu) updates are overwhelmingly more likely to bring instability to existing applications than fix anything.

Is there a way to limit update to critical security stuff and well-tested bugfixes?

I don't mind missing the latest in ricing technology, I'm just annoyed by the spike of abrupt software crashes usually introduced by "updates".

Thunar is the worst about this shit.

>>58818966
Install Debian stable then

btw. Thunar has longstanding bugs (I still use it tho)

Determine how fucked your /dev/SSD is in terms of GiB written:

$ echo "scale=3; $(sudo smartctl -A /dev/sda | grep "241" | awk '{print $10}') * 512 / 1024 ^ 3" | bc 
2248.516

>time to die

>>58818966
Debian Stable is exactly what you're looking for. Only difference is that you'll need to manually add your firmware (if required) the ISO.

when I execute a program it closes if I close the terminal emulator window. How do I keept it open?

>>58818987
>>58819084
Thanks, I'll have a look.

>>58819093
& disown

>>58819006
>grep, awk, bc
just use awk

... | awk '/241/ { print ...

>>58819093
man nohup
man disown

>>58819452
>man
just use info

>>58819458
>not opressing women by using sexist programs

>>58819522
>things are sexist
I love this meme.
Tell me more conspiracies.

>>58819442
Now I feel stupid. But not as stupid as when I used to

cat | grep

>>58819576
why not

echo > foo; cat foo | grep bar > bar; cat bar

why the hell does the network manager crash everytime i tether my phone? ubuntu 16.04

>>58818469
just because you're root doesn't mean there's no use for sudo

>>58819863

journalctl -u NetworkManager

What does it say?

>>58819905
375 lines of shit. theres a few errors but no errors when it fails

The reason why systemd causes so much anger is because it does multiple tasks at once?
that it?

I need to try out the several DEs out there, but I don't like the idea of having to reinstall buntoo over and over.

How many of these could I have installed at once without breaking another? I remember installing Gnome 3 on Ubuntu (with Unity) and making at least one of both unusable afterwards.

>>58820065
http://www.ocsmag.com/2016/10/19/systemd-progress-through-complexity/

>>58820075
http://www.webupd8.org/2009/07/deep-freeze-like-software-for-ubuntu.html

>>58820272
dang, didn't know I could do this. Many thanks

>>58820404
Don't mention it.
I had similar problem, wanted to test different version of same package.
So I used puppy linux, since it asks you if you want to save save the changes you've made at the end of the session.
After that I realized someone made the same thing as a dedicated package.

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>we could implement that but nah... let compositors implement it XD
t. wayland devs to every single thing

what a meme. There will be tens of implementations to every single thing and then user applications have to target those tens of implementations and... but hey, atleast Wayland is _simple_!

To the anon from the previous thread that posted >>58818097

Thanks.
I totally dig the "old piece of shit" look.

>>58820598
Its a good thing.
There's no reason why the display protocol should handle such doodads.
If you care about them, you can use a compositor/manager with such feature.

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Which one takes much more space?
VBox or QEMU?

>>58821176
disk space? some package managers reports how much space in going to be occupied after a certain operation

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>>58821213
Yeah.
I missed up when partitioning.
So the "/" is about 30 GB so I try to conserve disk space as much as I can.
I'm running manjaro linux, and I need to test some Windows ISOs and USB passthrough.
What would be easier/better VirtualBox, QEMU, Libvirt?

>>58821300
qemu is smaller and has better pci passthrough support than vbox

>>58821300
>So the "/" is about 30 GB
I've never managed to fill that much.
Even on an installation with like three desktop environments and shitload of development packages.

libvirt is fine.

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>>58821323
>>58821327
QEMU+ Virt-manager, then?

>>58821340
why dont you just try and see which one suits you best?

It's not like once you install one thing you cannot remove it in the future.

Jesus Christ.
Stop seeking approval for every single one of your decisions.

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>>58821357
Well, I'm asking because I'm not understanding what's the difference.

>VBox
Oracle propriety with complete set to virtualize anything including android.
>QEMU/KVM
Hypervisor ? what does that mean? only command line?
>Libvirt/Virt-manage
A GUI for a library?
Can you use the Disk Image from one on the other?

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>>58821300
manjaro uses pacman as package manager, just run pacman -S virtualbox and pacman -S qemu, before going on with the installation it will report the total installed size of the selected packages

>>58821379
>Hypervisor ? what does that mean?
A quick search would answer you precisely what hypervisor in the context of virtualization means.

>A GUI for a library?
A GUI for a libvirt deamon

vbox is lgpl, only extensions are proprietary.

>>58821390
You could use -Si for the same results with more info.

>>58821402
I'm even more confused now.

>>58821431
Plain english is confusing?

>>58821379
7
down vote
accepted


The hypervisor is the device or software which runs the virtual machine. It's typically responsible for allocating the resources, providing the interface between the virtual machine (the "guest") and the host system as well as any management software.

So if you're using VMware Workstation to run a Windows 7 virtual machine, VMware Workstation is the hypervisor.

>>58821379
vbox and qemu are both hypervisors (vbox is in part open source anyway):
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor
>A hypervisor or virtual machine monitor (VMM) is computer software, firmware, or hardware, that creates and runs virtual machines.
qemu doesn't have a GUI to manage your virtual machine (but obviously it does have a virtual display to interact with the virtual machine), but there are various gui for it.

>Libvirt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libvirt)
various tools and software to manage your virtual machine, it support various hypervisors (qemu and vbox included); you can use its GUI to manage and configure your qrmu virtual machines.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libvirt
usually vbox will use a vhd virtual disk image, it possible to use that format with qemu (or just to convert the iamge to another format). Anyway if you want to use qemu you may prefer "qcow" as image since it has better performances.

>>58821416
yeah but it will not show the cumulative disk usage including the package's dependencies

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>>58821446
So I need to install Qemu+KVM+Libvirt+Virtmanager?
To make passthrough possible?

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>>58821463
Let me rephrase.
I want to run a virtual machine with passthrough and not use VBox and with GUI.
What do I need to download?

>>58821463
KVM is a kernel feature, you don't install it.
You can use qemu alone to make any kind of virtual machine if you want so save space, but yeah, libvirt is pretty convenient and it will make it easier to configure your VM.

How do I install .rpm package in arch?

>>58821300
>I missed up when partitioning.
>So the "/" is about 30 GB so I try to conserve disk space as much as I can.
why you can't just resize you partitions?

>>58821516
not a good idea, just make a pkgbuild, but if you really have to, you will have to extract the rpm and place every file in its right place.

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How does dd handle empty disk space?
There's a 80 GB HDD with about 20 GB used space.
When I pass this

dd -bs= 1M if=/dev/hda of=/media/diskimage.img

Will it create a 20 GB IMG file or 80 GB?
>>58821300
>>58821340
>>58821379
>>58821463
>>58821482
>virgin killer sweater

>>58821537
How do I create pkgbuild then?

>>58821550
>>58821516
Try rpmextract or rpmunpack

>>58821566
I ran extraxted .rpm package, but don't know what to do now.

>>58821550
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Creating_packages
what software are you trying to install anyway?

>>58821573
http://nemrod.se/guides/install-rpm-packages-on-arch-linux/

>>58821575
Lattice diamond

>>58821541
it will create an 80G image
dd doesn't give a shit what kind of data it's handling
depending on your filesystem, there may be a tool that does ignore "empty" (slack) space

>>58821573

You've already been told how to do it, yet you keep doing menial steps and then asking for more handholding.

>>58821541
Generally, It will be 80Gb. But if your filesystem support sparse files (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparse_file) you could pass the option "conv=sparse" to don't copy all those zeros.

The other solution, which I personally prefer, is to compress the dd output.

>>58821601
>Lattice diamond
there is already a package in the AUR:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lattice-diamond/
It doesn't works with you?

>>58821340
Yes.

>>58821463
KVM is already installed, QEMU, Virt-Manager and libvirt you'll need to install yourself. However, yes it's the general rule for passthrough.

You don't need libvirt/virt-manager to passthrough if you use a QEMU script instead. However libvirt/virt-manager has certain advantages like pinning vCPUs that a QEMU Script doesn't have unless you patch compile QEMU. It'll help a lot with fixing potential sound issues.

>>58821482
QEMU, libvirt, virt-manager to make it easier on yourself. If you use Arch/Manjaro you also need firewalld to have the VM go on the internet as it'll complain about missing shit when starting it up without firewalld installed.

Recommended read: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF (read the entire thing. Don't skip parts. This will tell you exactly what to do).

>>58821641
Got error with yaourt that package wasn't found in AUR

>>58821627
using conv=sparse on a filesystem image will only be effective if the filesystems' slack space is or has been zeroed
a well-used filesystem will have fragments of deleted files in the slack space

there are tools such as partimage and ntfsclone which can create full disk images of filesystems in a smarter way, by analyzing the filesystem and ignoring the contents of slack space, negating the need to overwrite slack space beforehand

>>58821614
>>58821627
Damn it.
The file system I'm running on is ext4, but the hdd is formatted FAT32.
It's an old HDD with windows XP installed on it. I thought I could use it to create a VM disk image.

>>58821627
>>58821614
Not him, but doesn't this mean it will take longer copying/cloning disks?

>>58821706
>I thought I could use it to create a VM disk image.
you can

>>58821716
it'll take longer to clone an 80G with 20G of data on it if you don't ignore slack space (eg. use dd)
with a tool that is aware of the filesystem, you can copy just the 20G that actually matters

>>58821706
create a virtual image, pass both the virtual image and real hard disk to the virtual machine. Then with a live software like clonezilla clone the disk to the virtual image.

i found this website look for technology on google malaysia so i hope okay for me to ask. my nephew like computer and linux company very much and have birthday 10 day. which linux is best to give? i have good computer friend tell me linux ubuntu is better than linux mint, which linux software can play game? is

>>58821743
oh, even if you do use partimage/ntfsclone/etc, the resulting file will still be 80G, only it will be a sparse file, on filesystems that support sparse files, it will only take up 20G of disk space, and only 20G is actually copied overall
you can make the file smaller by either compressing it, or turning it into a CoW format like what VM's use

>>58821771
Give gentoo

>>58821743
>you can
I know that.
The issue is I can't boot into the machine to make the VDI file.
So I have to use this method.

>>58821791
you can't boot what machine?

>>58821743
>it'll take longer to clone an 80G with 20G of data
Then what would be a better way of cloning the HDD?
I just boot a live linux then dd the hdd to external hdd every week.

>>58821780
hear is hard to instal? he have autism so need something easy understand

>>58821808
depends on exactly what you're trying to do

dd'ing an entire hdd that isn't completely full only makes sense if the image is going to be used for forensics purposes (analyzing slack space)

>>58821805
The HDD is IDE hard drive from desktop from early 00s, that can't boot up due to faulty mobo.
There's some software that's needed on the HDD with no replacement for it.
Swapping the mobo proved to be difficult.
So as a last resort I thought about setting the whole physical disk as a virtual machine, and instead of having the HDD in the open with a bulky PSU.
I thought creating a VM from the data would be better.

>>58821820
>Forensics
Far from it.
I'm just creating backup HDD in case the current one fails, I'd just swap it.

>>58821816
Is perfect for him, autism good at gentoo

>>58821880
thank you very much friend

>>58821820
So all of these are -with the exception of TAR- are just dd variant that would copy the empty space as well?

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>tfw my primary storage is with 5 year old WD greens and my backups are a clusterfuck of 15 different 3.5" and 2.5" drives ranging from 500gig to 5 gig and I try not to think about it

>>58821858
for that (something like a mirror, but not "active" like a raid1), i'd use partimage, or just mount and rsync
in the case of partimage, you skip copying slack space (that is, you only copy used space)
and for rsync, you only copy files that have changed, which may be even less data

>>58821980
>partimage
So it would clone the current state of the HDD?
>rsync
This sound like what would I want.
But does it clone the HDD, including the partition table?
It sound like cp with more features.

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I'm not really user do distro hopping. Whenever I do, I usually start from scratch. This time I love it how I have my XFCE configured. How do I switch from Manjaro XFCE desktop to Debian but keeping my XFCE to look the same? Do I just put /home in a separate partition and then use that for Debian?

>>58822024
No, most of manjaro themes are not in /home.
Why would you want to switch to debian?

>>58822038
More used to it I guess. Having to update shit constantly is sort of annoying. I guess I'll wait though. Manjaro is really working well at this point.

>>58822078
>Having to update shit constantly
If it's work, then don't update.
I'd just wait for the newer release and re-install the OS.
Since /home is on a different partition.

I want to copy over my HOME directory.
Which is faster?

dd if=/dev/hdx1 of=/dev/media/Home.bin

or

rsync /home /media/

Or the old copy & paste?

>>58822095
Okay, I get it. I guess I'll keep Manjaro for now. Pacman is pretty easy to use and I am enjoying the colossal amount of packages available. I don't really care that much about pure libre. System runs fast and looks great, I can get work done.

>>58820598
I don't understand why the hype on Wayland, is broken and is buggy. I smell bullshit.

Complete retard on linux, but I need to play with terminal a bit for the university, what's the most user friendly distro for winbaby? Ubuntu?

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>>58822135
Would this be a good way to back up /Home?

rsync -a --exclude=.cache --progress /home/$USER /media/linuxbackup/home/$USER

>>58822228
I just

rsync -av --delete <ORIGING> <DESTINATION>

myself, I delete all previous backups in the destination folder.

>>58822211
yeah, you can almost get away with not using the terminal at all with ubuntu and it's derivatives. So you can very easily get an install up and running and then figure out hwo to do stuff in the terminal bit by bit.

>>58822021
>So [partimage] would clone the current state of the HDD?
partimage clones partitions
>But does it clone the HDD, including the partition table?
no, just files
>It sound like cp with more features.
that's one way to put it

>>58821679

Install it manually, idiot.

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Is WPS the best office suite available for linux?

>>58822526
GNU/Linux*

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>>58822806

>>58822526
Some people say yes, others vouch for LibreOffice, others just use Office through WINE.

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>>58822356
So if I want to "mirror" my current HDD to another HDD, and have it ready.
I'd need to clone it with either partimage or dd.
The run rsync to update what's changed?

>>58822927
>not using vim

how can i check if any ip is blocked by my firewall?
when i try to ssh to my vps i get that connection is droped by port 22

>support saying that my firewall is blocking connection
>im 99% sure that problem is in server because they blocked some ip after ddos

>>58822526
nice resolution

>>58822806
>GNU/Linux*
whats the point in mentioning the kernel anyway?

windows with nt kernel: called windows
os x with xnu kernel: called os x

it's just gnu, an operating system created in the 80s, not just a kernel, made by some student in the 90s "just for fun" !

>>58823698
It's SystemD/GNU/Gnome then.

>>58823698
People use words they see on the internet, can't blame them for doing so...
>Should I use Windows, Mac, or Linux?
- one is an OS
- one is Hardware
- one is a Kernel
... but everyone knows what is meant.

>>58823492

iptables -L

>>58824123

iptables-save;
ip6tables-save

is better

>>58824123
>>58824968
>not using ufw

>>58825090
>ufw
That shit? It's fail at basic security.

>>58825090
>using ufw

Hi guys I just installed Ubuntu 16.10 and I noticed my sound isn't working. Any idea on what I can do? Think it has something to do with the drivers. It says my audio is AMD Tonga. Also, it's using audio from the HDMI and I dont use HDMI for audio. Could this be a problem, and how can I fix it?

>>58825138
Enable your card. (alsamixer)

>>58825149
>ubuntu
>alsa

>>58825156
Ubuntu is using alsa and pulse, retard.

>>58819093
For example firefox:
nohup firefox > /dev/null 2>&1 & exit # --no-close --keep-open --stop-making-me-mad

So I'm dualbotting Ubuntu 16.04 and can't login to Ubuntu . every-time I try to log in it just says: "/dev/sda5: clean, some number/ some other number of files, x/y number of blocks" and then shows the log in screen again. What do?

>>58825163
oh man i'm retarded

>>58825178
>nohup
literally why
>writing to dev/null when exiting anyway
>backgrounding before exeting

is this trolling?

>>58825178

$ icecat & disown

>>58825237
click ctrl-z then bg icecat.
jobs
disown icecat
jobs
fg icecat
bg icecat
exit

>>58825190
your Xorg configuration is fucked
after trying to log in, switch to another tty with Ctrl+Alt+F3, log in, and read through the logs.
command: sudo less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(navigation: arrows, space scrolls one screen, q to quit)

>>58825296
>sudo less
>navigation: arrows
hmmm

>>58825296
>arrows, space scrolls one screen, q to quit
or you could use pgup pg down.

You know, the keys designed for that purpose

>>58825402
or, you know, you could stop being a pleb and hjkl like a real man

>>58825402
I always liked more more

anybody else is having issues with the last grsecurity patch?

>>58825497
>"security"

>>58825098
elaborate?

>>58825448
this

cat/less is for noobs

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>>58825645
Only noobs call noobs noobs.

>>58825627
Type as root

iptables -I INPUT 1 -j ACCEPT

and just after that ask to ufw how secure you're are.

>>58825448
>>58825645
it doesn't even have basic non-regex search.

>>58825705
that what grep is for

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>overwrite the settings via the backend
>hurrrr look the frontend got confused
good job

Not even going to give you a (You)

>>58825720
>>58825705
>>58825645
>>58825448
>not using "view"
plebs

what's /fglt/'s favorite cli pastebin service?

>>58825780
my server

>>58825780
teknik b/c delete keys

>>58825608
It's definitely an improvement

2bh i'd gladly use grsec if I didn't have to compile it manually on debian.

Is there a technical reason why debian doesn't ship it by default (or at least as an installable alternative) in the stable branch?

>>58826730
>Is there a technical reason why debian doesn't ship it by default (or at least as an installable alternative) in the stable branch?

Grsec team got anal that some companies were not respecting the GPL license so they stopped releasing the "stable" patch (i.e. for LTS kernels) to the public (now available only to customer). They keep public only the "test" version for the last non-LTS stable version of the kernel.

Also you must take into consideration that some grsec features may be considered too intrusive for some users (especially on non-server machines), so it is generally assumed that an interested user would prefer to choose the optimal settings for his use-case by himself.

>>58827023
Too bad then.
I've read that grsec is a lot easier to learn and maintain that selinux and apparmor, so I was kind of hoping to see it available as an installable package in the future.

There's a sale on for the HP Spectre 13 inch with core i7, thinking of getting it. Do you think it will run Linux? I can't find any information on it. I wanted the dell xps but they aren't sold anywhere in Canada anymore. Either that or they're just sold out all the time.

Is mp3wrap the best way to concatenate a ton of small mp3 files into one?

Also do people here still just mp3 players like the Creative ones?

>>58827261
>mp3
eeek

>>58819458

bash: info: command not found

>>58827133
Let me rephrase this.

When buying a laptop for Linux will most of them work or will many of them have issues brand new? I really want a nice laptop but I don't want to spend 1000 dollars if it won't even work for my use. I am not a windows user.Basically I want a macbook formfactor linux PC. Something I can carry around easily.

>>58827316
Who use info today?

>>58827339
GNU/Linux*

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Why is bash writing to disk so excessively? I can't find documentation on this nor discussion.

>>58827339
Avoid NVidia. Avoid Broadcom.

Intel is your friend.

>>58827345
Nobody, hopefully. You read the man page, then follow up with cmd --help if needed.

>>58827345
Everyone who wants to learn more.

Compare the manpare of ls to the related infopage.

>>58827354
hit l

>>58827386
That's a shame. But you're right anon.

>>58818469
>Find a Linux User Group near you
>Missouri
>"Just drive to mississippi lol"

>>58827437
The infopage for `sort' is also a bit better (especially for the usage of the -k switch), manpages are okay, but for coreutils you get more info with info.

Btw, if you're missing hjkl in info:

alias info='info --vi-keys'

>>58827471
Forget about them.
Unless you have one at directly at your uni/campus that you can walk to a meeting from your dorm wearing flip-flops they're not worth your time.

Everything you could've learn from a Linux User Group you can learn on a Linux User Forum online. It's more convenient.

The only thing they're worth for are those technical talks with someone from the outside.

>>58827522
GNU/Linux*

S-sorry if this is the wrong thread, but I don't want to make my own for a perhaps quickly asked question:

If I want to connect anonymously to a RDP (and essentially appear as a normal user to the outside world), would the easiest and safest way be "Host -> Whonix Gateway -> VPN -> Whonix Workstation -> RDP"? Does anybody have experience with this? Would "Host -> VPN -> SSH over Tor -> RDP" be equally safe?

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I'm trying to install Antergos on my T520 and having issues

I made a live USB using Rufus but whenever I boot from it, I come to a plain screen where my only options are;
>boot from hard dick
>start Antergos live
>non-graphical boot

none of which actually work

what am I doing wrong?

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>>58827564
>>boot from hard dick
5/10

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>>58827586
Sex happens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudian_slip

>>58827564
try remaking it with dd if possible and check if your ISO is proper

>>58827634
>dd
>also known as dick destroyer

>>58825682
What does this do? And you're not supposed to interact with iptables directly when using ufw

>>58827634
on a windows machine
I think my issue was with Rufus
I'm trying it again but with GPT partition scheme for UEFI

>>58821176
>>58821300
>>58821340
>>58821379
>>58821463
>>58821482
>>58823134
Would you stop posting your weebshit fetish?

>>58818469
how do i make a search process like I can do process mumble and it'll show me usage of mumble if the process exists

Hey guys, check this
>DIY Linux laptop: Build your own for $240
http://www.zdnet.com/article/diy-linux-laptop-build-your-own-for-240-with-fully-open-source-olimex-teres-i/

>>58827982
$ htop and press F3?

Used usb to install kali linux in my pc that has windows 10. Made a partition of 30Gb. Installed ok. The problem: I CANT CONNECT IT TO INTERNET. I have my router on, with cable and wifi on, using internet on cellphone, but not in kali. Any ideas, links... just google it for 3 days. But nothing. Im a n00b but i really want to learn. sorry my basic english

Tldr, installed kali and cant connect it to internet.

>>58827718
it will allow any inbound connection. I don't understand what he means with that.

>>58828031
>$ htop and press F3?
worked mate thanks

>>58827718
>>58828054
The problem is:
a good firewall would say that something is wrong and that iptables are modified, or something like that, to warn the user. But ufw says that everything is all right, which is a serious security issue for a firewall.

Only idiots like >>58825724 won't agree, but idiots are idiots. They don't deserve the f of fglt, the f is for ignorant, not idiots.

>>58828123
ufw isn't a firewall; it's a frontend for iptables, retard

I used rm to delete a file but it's not in the trash bin. Does it treat it as permanent deletion then? If so, that's great.

>>58828123
heh, ufw is a simple script to automate some operations on the firewall for people who don't really know how iptalbes works, I don't believe it is supposed to be a full fledged iptables frontend.

>>58828174
yes, when you want to permanently delete a file you use the command line

and when you are really paranoid, like in Mr. Robot level, you use shred

>>58818469
>Used usb to install kali linux in my pc that has windows 10. Made a partition of 30Gb. Installed ok. The problem: I CANT CONNECT IT TO INTERNET. I have my router on, with cable and wifi on, using internet on cellphone, but not in kali. Any ideas, links... just google it for 3 days. But nothing. Im a n00b but i really want to learn. sorry my basic english
>
>Tldr, installed kali and cant connect it to internet.
Any help?

>>58828208
Cool, thank you

>>58828174
>trash bin
What's this? And no, rm does not overwrite the file(s), so not a permanent deletion. Look into shred or similar.

>>58828181
In that case it shouldn't provide a broken status query command.

>>58828174
It's basically the same as you emptying your trash bin under Windows. The data is not actually gone, you need to use shred for that.

>>58828215
Leave your neighbours alone.

>>58828174
rm will remove a file or directory in the same way "del" will do on widows. The "trash can" is a feature offered by some DE/file mangers which will move the "deleted" file to a dedicate folder.

Anyway it could be possible to recover that file with a software like testdisk if you act rapidly enough (which mean, stop any write operation on that on that filesystem).

>>58828215
That's really weird. Can you type in sudo ifconfig and tell us whether or not Kali detects your network card?

>current year
>using rm
>not mv to /dev/null

>>58828215
ping google.com, if it doesn't work use ethtool and check your ethernet card is correctly set

alternatively >>58828253

>>58828253
I just wany to make a digital lab in my own pc to learn to pentest. I pay my own connection.

>>58828123
>warn the user. But ufw says that everything is all right
Even in the output of

# ufw status verbose

? Not gonna mess with iptables to test, but I have been meaning to learn them in the near future.

>>58828268
>using the current year to justify any retarded action

>>58828215
>in my pc that has windows 10
Sad to hear that. You should remove it asap; it's malware.

>>58828284
I am like you, maybe is time to learn iptables

>>58828233
>>58828238
>>58828256
Ok, great to know, thank you

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>>58828268
/dev/null is a file. Not sure how it would work, but this sounds like a bad idea. The point of deleting is to remove the inode

>>58828361
/dev/null is a blackhole

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>>58818469
>>>58828215
>That's really weird. Can you type in sudo ifconfig and tell us whether or not Kali detects your network card?
>>58818469
>>>58828215
>ping google.com, if it doesn't work use ethtool and check your ethernet card is correctly set
>
>alternatively >>58828253
Now im at the phone, just have this pic. Hope it works. Thanks for the reply.

>>58828355
Hilary is a pretty l33t h4x0r

>>58828387
>ifconfig
deprecated, use ip l or ip a

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>>58827556
please respond

>>58828431
>deprecated
Do you understand the meaning of the word "deprecated".

>>58818469
One of my favourite puns.
Thanks OP

>>58828440
In the world of software development, "deprecated" refers to functions or elements that are in the process of being replaced by newer ones. The term comes from the word "deprecate," which means to disapprove of something. While deprecated items may work in the current version of a programming language, they may not function in future updates. Therefore, software developers are advised to replace deprecated items with other options.

>>58828455
It means that there is newer, better software, which is meant to replace older software.

>>58828473
meant for >>58828455

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>>58828473
I didn't mean that kind of response

>>58828387
I bet your dns is messed up, check /etc/hosts, tell us what is there

>>58828455
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iproute2

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>>58828431
Here you go. What is deprecated?

>>58818469
>have linux classes at uni
>want to give it a chance
>all learning is just retyping commands from the textbook
Fuck this gay shit. Is it even practical to learn Linux for server purposes? Who doesn't use Windows Server?

>>58828384
Not falling for it. Quick search proves you as a shitposter.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_device
>he /dev/null device is a special file, not a directory, so one cannot move a whole file or directory into it with the Unix mv command
>The rm command is the proper way to delete files in Unix
And mv doesn't actually handle data, the data stay inplace in the filesystems. You'd basically point mv file to /dev/null, which will break stuff

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>>58828473
>>58828477
>

>>58828500
and?

>>58828540
dumb trump poster

>>58828529
do
cat /etc/hosts

tell use what it says

>>58828531
>Who doesn't use Windows Server?
anyone with half brain

>>58828557
>ad honiem
and?

>>58828477
Then why doesn't ip output RX/TX packets? Code doesn't just go bad: if ifconfig works for given needs, then there's no reason to stop using it.

>>58828531
GNU/Linux*

I'm using Arch. My system broke during an update and I couldn't boot up. So I'm chrooted into my Arch system but I don't have an internet connection. Ping isn't working. How do you get an internet connection in chroot?

>>58828585
ad hominem*

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>>58828499
Ok here you go

>>58828599
>I'm using Arch.
>My system broke
That's normal.

>>58828601
ad honiem*

>>58828599
You should "get a connection" before you chroot

>>58828531
better read a book and then practice at home if your classes are boring, but GNU/Linux is exponentially better at servers than windows

>>58828599
I'm on Arch btw, if it matters

I want to install Pi-Hole (https://pi-hole.net/) on a VM and run it on my network but want to be able to dedicate little resources, RAM especially. Which basic install can use the least bit of RAM? CentOS, Debain, Ubuntu, or Rasbpian? Could I even run raspibian to a VM?

>>58828598
GNU+Linux*

>>58828599
dhcpcd before you chroot

>>58828614
it isn't, feck off

>>58828626
I'm connected to the internet on the livecd I'm using.

>>58828599
arch is meant for advanced users only

>>58828599
fix /etc/resolv.conf

>>58828535
/dev/null is actually a black hole though desu if you use dd to write to it you basically write into nothingness

>>58828630
To be a Linux Admin or Windows admin, wat do? Do you become an expert in one and disregard the other? Just be decent at both? But I imagine the endgame is to work somewhere that most likely just uses one, no? And I imagine most places run Windows environments so why not use Windows server. What environments use Linux servers commonly? I bet administering the command line and being good at all those commands would be pretty sick

>>58828599
Please stop using Arch. The developers are lazy, unmotivated people. See: https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html

>>58828646
It is: https://rbt.asia/g/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=arch+%22That%27s+normal.%22

>>58828634
>CentOS, Debain, Ubuntu, or Rasbpian?
I would go with debian headless

>Could I even run raspibian to a VM?
yes, emulating an arm processor, not the best for performances

>>58828661

ls -lh /dev/null 
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root  3 Feb  6 23:01 /dev/null 

>3 bytes

>>58828669
GNU/Linux*

>>58828703
GNU+Linux*

>>58828612
definitely fix your /etc/resolv.conf
add a line that says
nameserver 8.8.8.8

>>58828669
Linux admin gives more money. I can't imagine what country you live that runs windows servers, maybe in scandinavia.

here is a book http://linux-training.be/linuxfun.pdf
here are videos https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtK75qxsQaMLZSo7KL-PmiRarU7hrpnwK

>>58828661
/dev/null can be overwritten, be careful not to fall for that

>>58828691
Oh also fedora is an option. Still "deabian headless"? And by that I assume you mean like the basic install, just the command line?

For pi-hole it looks like you just run the command, set up router DHCP, and then I plan on forgetting about it

>>58828673
?
daniel micay's argumentation are pretty sound.

>>58828691
And also where can I find official previous versions of Debian? I downloaded 8.7 but it says 8.6 is the latest support version, so I would use that for now.

>>58828673
top lel

>no minimalism, no KISS
>no user freedom and "install the system they way I want"
>"The Arch Way" confirmed community meme

why are people using arch again?

>Arch is the *opposite* of a user-centric freedom. The opinion of users has no weight here.

literally cucked

>>58828612
>HelloFriend.HelloFriend.hi
>no nameserver
is this the default for kali meme?

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>>58828531
Quite a few people.
Linux is incredibly scriptable.
Ludicrously so.
It might seem a bit convoluted at first but when you can parse and pipe anything into anything it lets you do some amazing things.

I can query the number of snapshots on my storage volumes and write a script to kill those under a certain size, date, or compression ratio.

Referencing something stupid but relevant:
>Machine needs hardware to perform a full cold boot to reset all devices properly.
>Remote restarts don't accomplish this.
>Need to restart machine remotely and have all devices function on reboot

>Turns out safely ejecting the device in Windows before shutdown prevents problem
>No way to easily script devices without delving into third party stuff
>Resort to ejecting manually from "Safely eject hardware GUI" in a checklist before resets
>Forget just one time and server hangs for 18 hours until I can get physical access to it

>Write an echo script to eject all PCIe devices in Linux before each shutdown and paste it into a file
>Fire reboots and forget. All buffers wiped and ready for the next run.

A lot of Windows is stuck in the GUI world and can't operate through autonomous scripts as easily. You're essentially stuck with hardlocked applications.

>>58828740
GNU/Linux*

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>>58828810
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>58828813
GNU+Linux*
stop being retarded

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>>58828740
It is broken, pic related.

>>58828810
spotted the argentinian

>>58828792
He even names Debian as more user-centric and less bloated. Arch is a joke. Systemd adopted out of sheer convenience no matter the precedent it sets, and 32-bit support ended due to sheer laziness.

>>58828810
>dat feel when play with Bash on Ubuntu on Windows at work since I have to use Windows 10
>dat feel when working with pipes today crashed Windows and got
>dat feel when i get home and can feel comfy on my xubuntu install
PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA

>>58828903
>32-bit support ended due to sheer laziness
Not a fan of Arch, but I guess they dropped it because 64 is the future. Same reason why they switched to Python 3 as default (which may break stuff today, but work in the future). Arch is a bit tryhard with it's bleeding edge thing, but that's something Arch users - afaik - want.

>>58828903
literally most of the major distos adopted systemd for matter of convenience, debian included.

>>58828903
systemd is being adopted to firefox due to sheer convinience as well.

If I am a software developer I don't have time for borken ootb hipster init nowadays. Linux is slowly becoming standardized and well focused

>>58828964
you can have both, python 2 and 3, installed on a system

>>58828964
>Same reason why they switched to Python 3 as default (which may break stuff today, but work in the future
not for older programs which use the simple "python" shebang
there's a reason why all other distros still default to python 2: don't break stuff

>>58828984
>>58828996
stop defending systemd

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>>58828740

Check, with properties.

>>58828964
Also, Fedora switched to python3 too.

Sorry that your POS custom python scripts broke, Arch didn't hold your hand

>>58828996
GNU/Linux*

>>58828964
well they keep multilib support, so it doesn't break anything. Simply people who want a "pure" 32-bit installation will have to look elsewhere

>>58828996
>>58829010
gtfo dumb namefag
>>>/r/eddit

>>58829005
I was stating a fact, not "defending" systemd.
Systemd is so diffused because distro maintainers find it very convenient.

>>58829025
lol my thread. Fuck off

>>58829010
Are you stupid? Do you know how many programs are written in Python and that many of them use the older, standard python shebang, which espects Python 2, not Python 3?

>>58829010
>Arch didn't hold your hand
Arch developers spit in it instead.

>>58829055
blame Van Rossum, now everybody have to move to python 3.

>>58829044
ded lol rekt

>>58829055
Yea stupid python skiddies BTFO, who the fuck cares

>>58829008
just replace it goddammit
here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Resolv.conf

>>58829042
yes, you are defending systemd is your opinion and your only, systemd is not a gift from heaven, at most it has split the community and created bad programming habits

>>58829010
>lelelel python3 is the NEWER BLEEDING EDGE version, update ur shit
you're hopefully aware that py2 and py3 are incompatible
get your shit together

>>58829086
I know that as well. And if you are too retarded to either shebang or set a symlink correctly you should go back to windows.

>Python dev
Makes sense too

>>58829079
>yes, you are defending systemd is your opinion and your only.
What is my opinion? that system is diffused? that distro maintainers likes it?
are they being blackmailed in using it?

>>58828996
Because adding 500k+ Lines of vulnerable code seems to be a good idea when there already is a vulnerable kernel.

>>58829111
you are not counting Devuan and why it was created, and the problems systemd causes to many packages

you have clearly a bias in favor of systemd and you will probably turn this conversation into a flamewar, please take your fanboyism somewhere else

>>58829098
>symlink
that's how you break your system
arch espects python3 as default

>>58829153
>>symlink
>that's how you break your system
?

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>>58829098
>>58829075
>>58829044
>>58829010
>>58828996
>namefag tries to fit in again
go back where you came from

>Be retard python skid
>Doesn't know what shebang is
>Software becomes incompatible due to extreme retardation
>issues on github
>people laugh because you haven't defined env in the beginning
>get angry
>Shitpost about Arch not holding your hand
>be
>a
>python dev

>>58829181
see >>58829044

>>58829182
what did google mean by this?

>>58829140
You must be joking, I never expressed an opinion on systemd, I don't like to have thousands of vulnerable code in int1 either.
I'm just fucking saying that most distro (debian, unbuntu and derivatives, fedora, opensuse, centos, arch.. aka all most used distro) adopted systemd, and nobody forced them to do so. They did that because their developers thought it was a good idea to do so.

>>58829181
the bait was obvious at the first post where he pointed out that every other init system is broken hipster shit

1st for Gnu/linux is communism.

Lets change the conversation before the flamewar continues,

Any of you using QEMU to install other operating systems for toying with them?

>>58829140
Forget it anon, the new meme is you can't dislike systemd without just being a contrarian idiot.

>>58829228
>1st for Gnu/linux is communism.
>296 posts
pretty suprising t h b

>>58829228
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html

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>>58829228
What's that supposed to be?

I don't find funny that whenever the systemd shitposters start losing, the anti-GNU shitsposting begins.

FUCK YOU and your hidden agenda

>>58829245
I am pro GNU GPL and Systemd, where is your god now?

>>58829242
kek, saved
also: stop this namefagging crap

OpenRC

HURD

>>58829237
>>58829245
Ok, maybe I'm getting retarded, I am telling clearly that I dislike that shitty mess of systemd. I am only observing that clearly other people, who happen to develop and maintain various distro, clearly don't think so otherwise the wouldn't have adopted it.

what is the best distro for gaming?

>>58829300
steamos, and it's shit so just go with ubuntu

next thread: >>58818516
(let's reuse it)

>>58828045
>>58828215
>>58828387
>>58828529
>>58828612
>>58828863
>>58829008
I fucking love Kali skids, they provide the best entertainment. Normally I enjoy working with new Linux users but people who use kali and then can't complete even the most basic of tasks are the worst types of user, who are only using it because 1337 h4x0rs. The way they behave often taints the entire community.

>>58829300
Probably Ubuntu, they trade a lot of philosophy that other distros have in favour of pragmatic get-stuff-done when it comes to drivers. Additionally, being the largest desktop install base means it's more likely developers will target you.
There's also SteamOS but that's rather more limited.
For general day to day use I'd recommend Debian, but you'll need to fiddle more to game, and there's less information for people who don't know how.

>>58829327
GNU/Linux*

>>58829327
Hey, i just want to learn pentest with my own pc. Why it is bad? First time i use linux, im learning. Not a l337 hacker teen. Just a n00b.

>>58829350
GNU/Linux*

>>58829333
>>58829361
Just say GNU, less confusing.
Nobody says "I'm using NT" or "I'm using XNU" either.

>>58829333
Well, specifically no. I use and quite like to use non-GNU userland, typically busybox.

>>58829350
How can you pentest without knowing the core tools? You might as well be saying "I just want to learn to rally" when you don't know how to drive at all, never mind the added complexities of sports driving.
Start with something more appropriate to your level. That's not an insult, it's genuine advice. We all have to learn to walk before we run.

>>58829300
Any major distro that has steam in it's official repositories.

>>58829389
GNU is confusing because people might think that you are running linux-libre or HURD

GNU/Linux describes it perfectly

>>58829394
>using busybox on the desktop
edgy

>>58829389
>Just say GNU,

utility tools != operating system

to think there are people who want open source software but don't even examine the source when they get it.

>>58829424
GNU as in GNU project

>>58829394
You are right, thanks for the advice! What distro recommend? I used windows all my life. I managed to install kali but i cant go online (yes, laugh). Gentoo is a meme right?

>>58829422
well now i know what distros you dont use

>>58829424
A kernel isn't a complete operating system. GNU is an incomplete OS, Linux is an incomplete OS, only together it's a complete working operating system.

>>58829394
>>58829327
>Do I fit in yet?

>>58829424
(!(utitility_tools != OS))

>>58829458
you need to learn syntax

>>58829424
guess who defines what an os is

>>58829473
teach me senpai

>>58829478
babbies on /g/?

>>58829473
He's saying false

>>58829458
>utility
>os

It's called "userland" and "platform".

userland + platform = os

>>58829505
incorrectly

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>>58829451
Personally, I use Debian. Play around, distro hop, and find what suits you best. Trying a bunch will all teach you different things and help you work your way to being able to use Kali effectively as a platform for pentesting.
>>58829457
I have multiple years of experience, I don't really care so much about fitting in as much as just talking straight about how I feel. Kali shits are a fucking nightmare and either need laughed at or given a firm pull back to reality. No one who should be using Kali will be posting about getting networking working on /g/.

>>58829527
>incorrectly
debatable
But his syntax was right

>>58829394
gnu isn't only the coreutils anon

>>58829545
Sure, that's what I said - I like to use non-GNU userland, _typically_ busybox. I know other people use other userlands as well.

>>58829566
so, what web browser are you using?

>>58829566
busybox doesn't have a compiler, a shell, a c-lib, etc
busybox is meant for embedded systems, which are neat and ofc not gnu/linux systems, but that's not the topic

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>>58829535
Thanks dude!

So, i guess im gonna start with Debian then try Mint. Hope can do it with Kali.
.
.
.
another question: it was a mistake to post that screencaptures with my mac address right? i'm fukd? what should i do?

>>58829590
surf

>>58829606
Yeah, it's a slow move away, I'm not nearly there yet. I suspect my next system will probably be non-linux.

>>58829639
I wouldn't worry about it.

>>58829606
>not gnu/linux systems
debateable
the initial os, the idea of a free version of unix, is gnu

look, what if someone saves a random pic of pepe, copy pastes it changes the colors and adds a hat to it - is it now a new meme called "hat meme" or is it still the pepe meme?

>>58829708
top kek
>>58829639
>start with Debian then try Mint
that would be a step back