Encryptards BTFO

>>58810506
Soon. Only those against it are cucks and have something to hide. You have no need for encryption unless you're a terrorist or pedo.

>>58810564

or if you don't want all of your information falling into criminal hands.

>ban encryption
>credit card information no longer allowed to be encrypted
>now you just need to intercept cell wavelengths, decipher them, and you have thousands of people's information

encryption is a good thing.

>>58810590
>falling for the most blatant bait posted today

How new are you?

>>58810590
>Encryptard thinks banks and businesses won't be exempted
Civilians have no need for this, nothing to hide and nothing to fear.

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>>58810590

>I actually need unironical military-grade encryption just to shop online and to upload naked pictures of my wife to dropbox

Civilian-grade encryption can take care of everything you said, anon.

Reply to this post if your country hasn't elected Orange Orangutan Hitler and you're not going to lose all your freedoms over the next 4 years

>>58810506
>Encryption banned when?
9/11/2001

>>58810599
>NOTHONG TO HIDE
I work in info sec, and I can tell you, anyone who wants to get rid of it, is not thinking about what's bettor the majority of people. They only want to be able to pwn you.
And guess what?
Without encryption I will pwn all of you. It will be glorious. You will all be my bots and you will be used to btfo whoever I want.
If it happens. I'm gonna make so much money.


>tfw intimately close with the hands that pull the strings.
>tfw it won't happen.

>>58810656
You have shown your lack of understanding of crypto.
Read a mathbook kiddo.
>military encryption
>civilian encryption
Lolololololol
Src plz.

>>58810564
>>58810506
>Trump passes EO to ban encryption
>script kiddies steal everyone's bank logins
>blame Pajit Pi for ruining the country
>still vote for Trump in 2020
>t.Americuck

>>58810599
Lololol
>government decides who has a right to protect there information using math.

Good plan mate
>inb4 no reason to protect with nothing to hide

Lolol sure sign of shill. If you believe this, plz post email address, ip address, Mac addresses of device, phone numbers, home and mailing addresses, credit card numbers, social security of yourself and family, and the names and phone numbers of all extended family and friends.

>nothing to hide
Amiright?

>>58810656

There are now enough sufficiently savvy groups in the world, and enough money elsewhere, that it is in these groups' financial interest to hack for the purpose of theft (IP and money) rather than to push for military action.

What used to be "military-grade" encryption is now consumer grade, and there's more value in protecting the consumer than there is in protecting the military.

>>58810506
>Encryption
>spoliation
choose both

>>58810965
>>58810973
Banks will still use encryption, encryptards. You just won't be able to hide your CP, furry porn, or mass shooting plans anymore. Trump will make america great and safe again.

>>58810506
>I dontunderstand encryption
>muh terrorists tho!!!
>nothing to hide
>assuming your only hiding info from government and authority
>in reality hiding information from anyone isn't intended for
>revealing severe lack of understanding of the environment surrounding information security

even if you don't care about your devices and info being pwnd, it doesn't mean people like me couldn't use it to weaken your economy, military and govt. Every device and piece of information gained, potentially provides access to more critical information or systems.

All the talk in this thread between military and civilian encryption ignores the fact that any encryption thatched be considered "civilian" is useless because anyone could break it.

I know it's bait. But any news need not get the impression this is a good idea for any reason.
Besides, it's win win for people like me.

If it happens it will get repealed so fast it won't even really have existed.

>>58810837
Obama and Clinton cracked down on cryptographers much more than any other US president.

There's a reason Dj Bernstein left the US to teach in Netherlands, long before Trump ever showed up

>>58811148
I want to see your face when somebody posts your wifes' nudes online if you somehow become a celebrity/politician

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>>58811148
>Trump supporter
>against furry porn
>against mass shootings
>against CP

This is new to me

>>58811178
Stop taking the obvious bait

>>58811148
Lol
>lack of encryption makes the country safe
>implying any foreign nation couldn't take advantage of it and use it against us.
K.
Good plan.
You win.
So good.
Very wow.
Your level of understanding is unprecedented.
LOLOLOLOLOL
If it does happen
You'll be the first to know.
;-)

HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US

>>58810506
Please list civilian encryption schemes.
Please list military encryption schemes.

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>this shit of a thread

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>>58810564
>Letting a Zionist poo like bannon do your thinking for you

>>58810656
Please list algorithms that fall into the two categories

BTFO
T
F
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Ayo, what kind of rights you want, senpai?

>>58811245
Civilian: RSA using a key provided by the government agency
Military: RSA using a key generated by yourself

Someone please list the civilian encryption algorithms and the military encryption algorithms with sources. Also, what separates them??

>>58811287
Civilian: RSA using a key provided by the government agency
Military: RSA using a key generated by yourself

>>58811284
How would a key generate by government be transported to the civilian securely?
Is this the only algorithm you know about? Are you 5?

>>58811311
Are you retarded? Do you not know how public key cryptography works?

>>58811320
>nice answer

>>58810965
>Trump passes EO to ban encryption
>script kiddies steal everyone's bank logins
>praise Pajit Pi for making them big moni
>vote for Trump in 2020
>t. Scriptkiddy
Libtard btfo B^)

>>58811320
Shhh he is a big boy, he knows about this stuff he is just nervous

>>58811325
Seriously? You really don't know how public key cryptography works?

>>58811320
>opens Wikipedia
>quickly learns what rsa and pkc are
Hahahahaha get rekt.
What's gonna happen when nsa stops paying you for shilling? McDonald's won't have you back.

>>58811358
I have a CS degree. I don't need to look up high school level cryptography on wikipedia.

What algorithm will be used to transport the key?

>>58811387
The public key can be transported in plain text.

>>58811376
Lol
>I have cs degree
Explains why you don't understand math.

>>58811408
What math? You're the one with no idea how RSA works.

>>58811403
Lololol
So you can only communicate with the government then???

I would literally fly to the middle east and help isis develop nuclear and/or biochemical weapons before I give up my right to secure my data.

>>58811387
what is diffie hellman

>>58811431
This is about storing data at rest. If you want to communicate with others, those entities would register their private keys with the government.

>>58811403
Hahahahahahaha
>you don't know how public crypto works?
>only giving a public key to a civilian to secure data.
Doesn't secure anything except communications with government
And it's not signed!!!
Get rekt bb.

>>58811472
Lol
>ask for military vs civilian
>says rsa
>proceeds to explain it's for data at rest
Lololol
Your ignorance is showing.

>>58811483
Explain why a legal business doing legal activities would need to keep their private keys from the government.

The simplest and the original implementation of the protocol uses the multiplicative group of integers modulo p, where p is prime, and g is a primitive root modulo p. These two values are chosen in this way to ensure that the resulting shared secret can take on any value from 1 to p–1. Here is an example of the protocol

    Alice and Bob agree to use a modulus p = 23 and base g = 5 (which is a primitive root modulo 23).
    Alice chooses a secret integer a = 6, then sends Bob A = ga mod p
        A = 56 mod 23 = 8
    Bob chooses a secret integer b = 15, then sends Alice B = gb mod p
        B = 515 mod 23 = 19
    Alice computes s = Ba mod p
        s = 196 mod 23 = 2
    Bob computes s = Ab mod p
        s = 815 mod 23 = 2
    Alice and Bob now share a secret (the number 2).

Both Alice and Bob have arrived at the same value s

>>58810506
Enemies of America would say the sooner the better for themselves.

Any foreign country could intercept anything from America without getting caught.

>>58811472
There are two scenarios. Both where you end up being retarded.
> using public key to encrypt the data via rsa
In which case this civilian can no longer decrypt it
>using the key with a symmetric algorithm
Why use rsa in the first place then??

BTFO

>>58811539
You ask the government to decrypt it back for you, providing proof if your identity.

>>58811513
Explain why you won't give me your address and phone number.
Because the government is made of people.
People can do bad thingsand generally take advantage of power.
Even if you aren't doing anything bad, that doesn't mean I couldn't with your information.

>>58811565
Because bad things will happen to government employees if they take advantage of power. There is nothing holding you accountable.

>>58810506

Can't ban an idea, fascists.

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>>58811284
>pls mr gvrmnt, can I get a fresh encryption key?
lolwut

the us government has lost over 20 MILLION personal records in the last 2 years, dossiers with "If someone wanted to blackmail this person, what information could they use?" sections. What makes you think they're even CLOSE to capable of holding on to a centralized database of active encryption keys?

If I'm encrypting my communications and my local IP storage, there's a zero percent chance that I put my key generation in someone else's hands.

>>58811550
"yes sir, to access yourphotos you will need to send us the data and a phot I'd.you can have your unencrypted data sent to you plain text I. Two to three weeks"
This is totally ignoring the fact that storage of a key for every human would quickly be compromised by foreign nation states.l, or people like me.

>>58811513
Because there are legitimate reasons for legal businesses doing legal activitites to distrust the government. Just because you abide by the law doesn't mean that you automatically trust the government.

Furthermore, just because something is law, that doesn't make it ethical. In cases where the law conflicts with what is most ethical, I will not follow the law.

At the end of the day, if the people cannot protect their data from the government, this can have 2 major consequences:
1. Corrupt government employees could compromise your data when it is to their advantage to do so
2. The government could accuse anyone of being a terrorist if they don't like what they are doing and force them to disappear with no trial under existing laws.

>>58811603
There is nothing requiring you to encrypt data in the first place. If you want the added security it will with added inconvenience.

>>58811582
Lolololol
What bad things? With what proof? If there the ones who hold all the keys an employee could very easily make any action against you look like it was performed by someone else.

You don't trust the authorities to find and prosecute thief and attackers. But trust them with the only key to your privacy?
( ignoring the fact that this implementation isn't secure in the fields place.)

>>58810506

Why do Trumptards get all butthurt about getting their guns taken away, but are completely okay with encryption being banned, even when criminals and terrorists plan their attacks in plaintext sms

>>58810859
What happened on the 9th of November, 2001?

>>58811644
By having careful audit logging against all record accesses.

>>58811627
Right, with that being said, in either case you exposing another potentially untrusted entity with your information that you have admitted you wouldn't give to a stranger.
Strong argument lad

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>>58810506
you're not serious, are you?

>>58811684
Dumb animuposter

>>58811650
I don't get it either
>you better not take away right x, but right y?? I don't care.
>I don't trust the military and police to ohysically protect me. They may be malicious.
>I trust them with my information because they are held accountable.

K

>>58811668
Maintained and kept by who? The same guy who generates and distributes the keys?

Get lol'd on kid. Your eagerness to give up your rights is disgusting.jpg

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>>58811627
>tfw you spend 2 years and $300k developing, testing and implementing pricing and marketing algorithms for your private company, only to lose control of them when someone steals your employee's laptop because you're still waiting for the government to send you your authorized encryption keys and they're currently stored in plaintext

not everyone spends their days jerking off and shilling on the internet

>>58811702

Even better are right wingers that support porn getting banned because of >muh degeneracy, but get super butt-blasted when their shill posts get deleted on whatever social media site they decided to spam that day.

>>58810506
I can absolutely see this happening. Will be fucking hilarious seeing the US economy nosedive immediately afterwards.

>>58811519
What do have to hide from China? Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

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>>58810506
>>58810564
>>58810599
>>58810656
>>58811148
>>58811513
>>58811550
>>58811627
>>58811821
I want trolls and shills to leave this board immediately.

>itt people who want to illegalize math

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>>58811741
>tfw you work on software then private property takes it away from you

>>58812150
You knew the rules when you left Carmack

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>>58810506
SHILLS OUT

>>58810564
>Totally not an FBI agent

It's ok anon, the internet will be ruined before encryption is banned.

Does anyone know when the nest cicada 3301 puzzle is coming out? If you know then please show me the first clue.

>>58811835
>>58812184

You first, encryptards.

ISIS and NAMBLA shills get out!

>>58813087
>$CURRENT_YEAR
>caring about sekrit klubs

>>58811376
>High School Level Cryptography

>>58813324
This, 4chan is a christian conservative website that fights degeneracy. The destruction of encryption from pedo terrorists is necessary.

>>58810506
>Freedom banned when?

Just before civil war.

>>58813561
You don't have the right to encryption just like you don't have the right to break the law. Trump will put you in your place and keep america free.

>>58810837
>this is what the globalist media wants you to think goy

>>58813597
>you can't do this thing
>you are free now!

>>58813635
Limiting or banning what destroys freedom like encryption or evolution is what makes this a free nation.

>>58813661
>or evolution
You almost had me for a sec there.

>>58813597
>oppression to keep you free
>suppress right to privacy to ensure your rights
U wot m8

>>58811514
Whoa, that's some military-grade assault encryption, son! Do you have a permit for that?

>>58815611
There is no such thing as "military-grade" and "civilian-grade" encryption. There are extremely basic mathetmatical algorithms which are perfectly secure for encryption against the government or anyone else. That specific example wouldn't be very secure because it's dealing with such small numbers. However, a real life implementation of Diffie Hellman is unable to be broken without getting lucky on a brute force attack.

>>58811835
>meanwhile posting a facebook image

>>58810564
Fuck off, shill

>>58816030
military-grade might refer to dedicated hardware though

>>58810506
wouldnt banning encryption be completely retarded, ill be honest guys, im just a tech consumer /g/ denizen, my day job is laying bricks.

But for example, say I want to send you the letter 'hello' and I just do something simple like print it backwards 'olleh' or move each letter down one 'ifmmp' isn't that technically encryption? sure there are better uncrackable versions but it seems the simple coding of messages is impossible to stop.

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>>58810506
>Encryptards
Can you guess how I know you are part of the NSA

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I do believe I fully understand Poe's law now. The world is so backwards that I can't even tell if OP is joking or not. God has abandoned us.

>>58813597
>don't have a right to use math
Are you literally retarded?

>>58810859
/thread

http://www.thirteen.org/openmind/science/encryption-and-liberty/5658/
>Cindy Cohn of the Electronic Frontier Foundation talks about safeguarding digital rights.

let me put it this way, i wouldn't have to keep locking the bathroom door if people could learn to knock

>>58817531
>>don't have a right to use math
>Are you literally retarded?
Try using card-counting at a casino and see how you get on.

>>58810564
Your or your mom tits or GTFO!

>>58817531

Stop using this same retarded reductio ad absurdum argument of calling encryption "math" as if equating it to a basic school class somehow strengthens your argument.

Might as well cry that you can't cook meth so the government is trying to ban chemistry.

>>58818495
>calling encryption "math" as if equating it to a basic school class somehow strengthens your argument.
Is this bait?

Why are you equating the word 'math' to 'a basic school class'? Would it be better to use the term 'algorithms'?

Regardless, the point isn't what your interpretation of the word math is...the point is, do you agree or disagree with the following:

>>58813597
>You don't have the right to encryption

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/pol/ knows nothing about technology and comes here in a desperate attempt to shit on us for actually caring about privacy whenever possible. Encryption is not going to banned. Enforcing such a ban is impossible when international privacy advocacy groups will setup websites to distribute software like cryptsetup.

>b-but block the sites
People on IRC will give them to buddies.
>block ssl!
Enjoy your carders.

It's really that simple.

You /pol/ers only find /g/ useful when you can ask us retarded questions like "how 2 crack the HWNDU camera?" or "how do I hack this twitter account?" Or "Tell me moar about Hillary's e-mails!"

Just really, fuck off back to /pol/. You know how you see muslims? That's how those of us in FOSS groups (or thosr who allign with those groups, most of /g/) see you. Fuck off.

>>58818418
I have used card counting at a casino. Depending on where you live, they legally cannot throw you out for it. If you happen to be in las vegas, they can throw you out if you are making enough for them to give a shit about you, but there is nothing they can legally do about other than ask you to leave. They still have to let you cash in on your winnings.

>as if equating it to a basic school class somehow strengthens your argument.
Except it literally is basic math. You are just retarded.

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Ah yes, another thread proving that 4chan is being ruined by the cucktards on /pol/

>>58818943
Don't blame us for fbi shills, they've always been here

never denuvo will sue the hell out of them

>>58810564
>>58810599
>nothing to hide, nothing to fear
And that folks is how Orwellian societies are created.

>>58811660
lel, you don't get it.

>>58817612
Good vid.

>>58810564
You do realize bank accounts rely on encryption, right?

>>58810564
Not sure if serious. Bruh what about online shopping

>>58810506
I think you mean Americucks BTFO

>>58810564
>You have no need for encryption unless you're a terrorist or pedo.
>letting the government decide what's illegal at the drop of a hat
Next thing you know, using a vpn or tor is a misdemeanor and posting on 4chan is mandatory jail time.

>>58810656
Todays "Civilian-grade encryption" will be tomorrows "Fisher-Price My First Encryption".

>amerifats voted for chump only to be reamed by poojeet and jews
AYYYYYYY

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>>58819911
Stay jelly.

Trumpfags will think of anything to justify their mistake in electing him

>>58818910
>I have used card counting at a casino.
You can bounced big time for using it here.

>>58810564
Almost got me with that bait.

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>>58816030

Military-grade: strong encryption, not backdoored.

Civilian-grade: has no secure asymmetric law-enforcement-only backdoors.

>>58817531
>I'm just using physics, anon
>I just poked a hole through you, that's just physics
>it's not my fault that you died

>>58819851
>>58819865

Are you guys unironically saying you actually need military-grade encryption for banking and shopping online?

Not sure if trolling...

>>58820801
Feel free to explain in great detai what you consider "military-grade encryption" and in what way it is an overkill for banking.

>>58820771
Please give an example of known remote secondary access systems which have NOT resulted in massive exploitation and leakage

You're waving a flag at the entire world saying
> our people can't protect their information how they want, please focus your efforts on this single blanket access protocol which is mandatory for all systems

Now imagine someone finding a bug in the system which allows for access (this is a thing that happens regularly, regardless of developer): the only way to deal with that is rapidly creating and pushing out a fix

I'm 3 months into waiting my election precinct to be updated. Think of how well the healthcare website went. It took OPM over a year to find and remove the intrusion from their system.

The government is the LAST place you verbalize encryption technology.

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>>58821177

But I take you find corporations super trustworthy.

>>58810506
>thinking anyone can ban math

ameritards says the darnedest things

>>58821399
> not wanting the government to control my encryption means I want a for profit business to do it instead
Open source encryption is objectively the best encryption, to the point where private companies regardless of size are implementing the whisper systems protocol.

You don't HAVE to suck federal/corporate cock, you simply choose to. Don't force your retardation on others.

>>58810506
I like that everything IT related is controlled by Pajeet. Where do Americans get them?

>>58822138
From India, I hear.

>>58820801
Military grade encryption and bank level encryption are the same thing, you fucking retard. Both use AES-256 and 128 for basic data, and SHA-256 for passwords, hence no one wants to lose out on the most secure option available. The only difference is the military also uses a different encryption set for communications in flight.

They will never be able to stop OTP - one time pads. Unbreakable. Just don't *ever* reuse any key material. EVER.

>>58822999
See >>58810599

>>58810506
Never. Many corporations use encryption for various reasons, and they are the ones who influence law. It's not going anywhere.

>>58810506
>Murican Encryptards BTFO
Nothing new here m8, your country already hate you

>>58825324
Corporations also use pajeets and spics, but we're getting rid of those anyway.

>>58810656
>military-grade encryption

COMMON SENSE ENCRYPTION LAWS

>>58810506
>>58810564
>make bait thread
>make autistic bait post
>get (You)s

do you have nothing better to do?

>>58813454
By the end of secondary school, I had learned about exponents, modulo number lines, non-decimal bases, and function invertibility. That's enough math to implement a basic public-key cryptosystem, but clearly not enough to work in cutting-edge security.

What's so weird about using the term High School Level Cryptography? Do you live somewhere that just has a shitty education system?

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>>58810564
>So when police encrypt their radio's, They are pedo's and terrorists

It's an interesting topic. Just as a reminder these $20 hacked DVB dongles can grab raw radio signals and use computer software to digitally decode anything in the spectrum that is available to it. Including GSM, LTE, P25, NXDN, Provoice, ect............

>>58823230
This.
Make shit load of random data,xor message with said data, and erase used random data.
You can easily make high quality random data by hashing high-res photos or noise.

>>58827597
Does this intercept police radio? Also how illegal is it?
I know that there are streams for the radios, so don't know how useful it would be.

>>58828057
It's only illegal to listen to police if you're driving around in a vehicle. Most police have jumped to digital with a trunking channel. The poor minority infested city I live near still uses analog. It can be quite humorous to listen to.

>>58828057
Listening is not illegal but most government organizations and corporations encrypt their radio networks.
I don't know where people get this "listening is illegal idea". It's like they're living in a 70's era communist country.

>>58828117
>>58828129
Ah I see. I mean can't you just listen to a radio stream? Dunno what could be different.

>>58820763
nobody fucking cares. the right against self incrimination is the cornerstone of our criminal justice system.

>>58828172
Trunked systems often use complicated protocols and you have to have both special hardware and software to intercept shit like voice traffic between two points.

>>58828129
It actually is illegal in some cases.

>>58828247
How much range does one of those devices have? Sounds neat.

>>58828172
If they're still using analog, it's fairly straight forward. You would need additional software to handle trunking and digital audio otherwise.

>>58828266
Depends on the frequency and time of day.

>>58828117
>>58828129
>>58828292
>>58828324
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/

This is what I meant by streaming.

>>58810965
>Trump is going to ban encryption
This is what braindead third world eurocucks believe

>>58828266
Reception depends mostly on the quality of the antenna setup.

>>58828362
Why do americunts think eurofags dislike trumps.I'm an eurofag and I haven't heard normal people say anything bad about him.
Don't believe eurofag media.It's controlled by jews,just like in USA.

>>58828335
This is streaming over ip, not radio, and yes it's easy to setup icecast over the internet. I'm sure there are dozens of websites where you can listen to stuff being broadcast across the world.

>>58828396
Because the majority of Europeans are cucked liberals with shitty ideals such as "muh equality, muh everything is racist, muh refugees"

>>58810564
(You)

>>58828428
Why do you think that? I am a crofag but I've been in a lot of eurofag countries and I have relatives in Germany. There seems to be a small percentage of jew-controlled retards in large eurofag cities that make everyone look bad.

>>58810506
I dont live in America. But you can ban it all you want.

>>58827134
You could say they your learned that in the post that was quoted. High school cryptography would easily translate into an actual file class. In your case you used high school math to devise a crypto system. Was the point to learn math, or cryptography?

>>58810564
so only politicians can encrypt.

>>58829028
Not him, but here in the Netherlands smart kids can follow a subject thats pretty much having fun with math. So you get astrology, game theory, cryptography etc. But only excellent students get to do that.

>>58810564
BTFO /pol/tard

>>58828057
>mfw american police is not encrypted
why? where I live all police comms are trunked AND encrypted.

>>58829116
Dunno why man.

>>58828230
>right against self incrimination
>what is patriot act?

>>58829094
*astronomy

>>58810564
>17 replies

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>>58829134
Unconstitutional

>>58810506
You can backdoor security products but I don't think you can prevent relatively skilled individuals from building and using their own systems.
Strong public key systems automatically generate new key pairs for every session and erase old old ones. The only feasible things an attacked could do is steal the private keys used for authentication or do a man in the middle attack (only if parties communicating haven't exchanged their long term keys through some secure channel).

>>58829184
>implying any three-letter agency cares about constitution
>implying human rights exist within the US(see the police [ab]use of force)

>>58829184

Unconstitutionality is a concern of the living.

Our nation's security is the prime and foremost priority.

If I have to explain this to you, you're a blithering moron.

>>58811243
They're unamerican, anti-freedom warhawks.

That /pol/ is supporting those people, it's insane. /pol/ from 4 years ago must be spinning in its grave.

>>58810506
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>>58820763
Its been a long time since you spammed /g/ with these threads. Unfortunately, I don't have military grade patience to properly feed your troll anymore.

So please, go back to /pol/

>>58830907
Not an argument.

>>58811660
Yuropoor leave

>>58829094
Fair enough

>>58830116
Current /pol/ is reddit and shills
Even /g/ is less shilled nowadays

>>58830082
This guy gets it.

>>58831585

Americans are poorer.

>While the jobless rate is down and wages are up, most Americans nevertheless remain one misstep away from a financial crisis. Fifty-seven percent of Americans don’t have enough cash to cover a $500 unexpected expense, according to a new survey from Bankrate, which interviewed 1,003 adults earlier this month.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/most-americans-cant-afford-a-500-emergency-expense/

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Is it worth encrypting my pc? Will there be noticeable lag?

>>58835480
Yes
No