Ultra HD Blu-ray requires Kaby Lake for playback on PC

Then buy it wtf is that hard

what about zen?

>>58786945
"0.99 cents has been deposited into your account"

>>58786945
everyone wants everything automatically at no cost.

I remember buying an entire new machine in the 90s so I could burn CDs. People would riot at that today.

>>58786951
afaik they don't implement this "drm".

I don't really see the point. If you're a movie buff that wants the highest quality from UHD Blurays then you already own the oppo 4k bluray player. There is no reason to get this when there are highly quality players out there that will get this stuff done.

>>58786936
Blurays cannot be played with free software yet anyway so whats the point? Just don't buy shitty blu-rays in the first place

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

GET YOUR BACKDOORS OUT OF MY CHIPS YOU FUCKING KIKES. GET OUT GET OUT GETOUTGETOUTREEEEEEEEE

>>58786945
anyone with xeons or higher end chips are shit out of luck.

The bigger problem is that SGX even exists.

There is now literally no way to know what is being executed on your computer.

>>58786969
Blurays are not shitty. Get a high quality bluray player and projector/tv setup and you will see the difference. Most of /g/ is not the targeted audience of physical media because it requires a job to be able to afford a good AV setup.

>>58786964
>afaik they don't implement this "drm".

Pretty sure Xbox S with AMD cpu has this.

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>>58787019
A physical disk is shitty compared to a torrent of the same quality

>>58787034
Sorry, I won't engage in a conversation with you for that blatant bait. Nice try.

>>58787054
how is it bait?

Just download a remux if you're THAT autistic.

It's literally better because you're not having to have a retarded bluray player, and buy physical discs.

>>58787071
this. i hate waiting for the fucking commercials to finish every time i put in a new disc when watching a tv series

>>58786936
>Users cannot decrypt binaries using SGX nor apply memory analysis on SGX programs in execution.
Its absolutely nothing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Guard_Extensions
>Emulation of SGX was added to experimental version of QEMU system emulator in 2014.

>>58787162
Does it actually work though or is it a very unstable feature?

>>58787162
>implying QEMU can actually be used to get around SGX

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>>58787054
Optical discs are garbage, though.
>hey let's make a home audio/video format that can't be set down on rough/dirty surfaces or grabbed anywhere except the 1.2mm wide edge
>what could possibly go wrong

>>58787071
I literally prefer to remux discs myself. If you don't, that's fine. I'm not telling you to change anything, quit telling me to.

>>58787637
I never understood why they didn't make them with a plastic cover around them like floppies and VHS tapes did
Or I wonder if they did that on purpose to make you buy more discs.....

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>>58787686
Probably a combination of that and being cheaper to not have cartridges

>>58787054
He's right though. Fast downloads are more convenient than ordering a physical disc online or shopping around town to find it, not to mention that you can actually store them on your media/file server and make them available to every device you own.

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>>58786936
>Nothing personal kid, but that's what they said about Denuvo

>>58787637
To be fair, Blu Ray has that anti scratch coating.

>>58787741
Denuvo didn't have access to special instructions baked right into the CPU to defeat binary analysis.

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>>58787747
To be fair, VHS tapes and floppy disks didn't need anti-scratch coatings.

>>58786936
MPAA needs to be glassed.

>>58787840
I kind of wonder why floppies weren't hard instead and lack an outer case. They are fairly robust, being rubbed against a read head continuously, and there was no protection slider on older floppies.

Actually, I imagine dust could be even worse if you're constantly rubbing. A bit of sand would track around and destroy the entire thing.

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>>58787810
They also said Trump had no chance of winning.

>>58786936
>SGX instructions allow execution of encrypted binaries.
>Users cannot decrypt binaries using SGX nor apply memory analysis on SGX programs in execution.
Don't they fucking realize how retarded this is? If malware starts using this kind of technology we will all be totally fucked.

>>58788397
Do you think the MPAA kikes care about whether the goyim get malware or not?

>>58787810
How can you possibly block someone from that? You can go a non software route and fucking monitor it with hardware. You'd have to be autistic to be able to solve anything but it's still possible.

>>58788410
Good luck trying to intercept memory reads with a logic analyzer connected to 1,151 pads on the bottom of a CPU.

How do we stop Israel?

>>58788443
I don't possess enough autism to be able to do that. I already dislike chasing bits on schematics for long periods of time.

>>58786936
>a bunch of poorfags have to update from their ancient DDR3 i5 shitboxes from 2009-2015
Oh no i am so sad

I was gonna upgrade anyway but not for Memeray Ultra HD crap

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>>58786936
>encrypted binaries

>>58788565
This is the future the Jews and the normies created.

>>58786945
>buying something that gives the MPAA more power over your computer than you have
>on purpose

haha no

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Most UHD's only have sub 60mbit/s bitrates, Netflix will kill it by the time AC1 rolls out. Also by this time I suspect more people in NA will have far better connections due to the DOCSIS 3.1 rollout.

>>58786936
I hope it will flop hard. They alienated even the Skylake users.

>>58789521
Netflix doesn't even show movies in proper aspect ratio half the time.

>>58786945

Nah I don't support the kikes. I have never even seen a BD in my life and the last time I saw a DVD was like 8 years ago, optical disks are obsolete.

>>58786936
>[current year]
>spinnan discs

Nostalgia thread?

>>58789785
ebin

>>58787720
The sector pattern on DVD RAM is so fucking dope. I still have a few of mine that I used as a work backup for my shit back in the 40 GB HD days.

>>58789521
Sauce for chart?

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>>58786936
>SGX instructions
Hello goyim.... we found a new way to jew you and to make you upgrade to our super-expensive new chips again.... even though you don't utilize old ones even 10% of their power 99.999% of your computing time.

SGX license cost $40 for each CPU
wtf?

>>58789521
4k Netflix also requires Kaby Lake
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/netflix-kaby-lake-cpu-4k,33070.html

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>>58786936
>only applies to plastic discs with DRM
>>58790105
>only applies to pay2stream with DRM

Phew, almost had me worried there for a minute.
You guys make sure to give Shlomo the money, though. Otherwise there won't be anything to rip from.

>>58790220
>SGX will make all media unrippable in future as any binary doing DRM decryption will be shipped with binary encryption and processor-level decryption key memory access block
>phew

>>58790272
We'll see. In the worst case it means the rips will be slightly lossy (display capture).

>>58790272
As long as the video can be played it can be ripped.
Rips will still happen, there will just be less people doing them because it won't be as accessible.

I'm good with 720p.

Someone will just emulate SGX.

It comes as no surprise that the linux does not yet find itself deployed on the blue ray HD DVD, for a number of reasons.

I think you will find after some investigation that the blue ray HD DVD is a patented invention that requires special decryption codes to be utilised.

Therefore it would not only be illegal for linux to use the blue ray (not that minor questions of legality have ever stopped the Linux in the past), but more so that linux does not yet contain the decrypter codes required for this operation.

And so for now, the linux finds itself constrained to the somewhat prehistoric CD-ROM format.

I don't get this Kaby Lake 4K meme, isn't it enough that I have a GTX 1080?

>>58790591
It's about DRM not the actual capabilities of hardware. GTX 1080 can play 8K without ramping up its fans

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>>58786936
>Ultra HD Blu-ray
People still buy movies and such on disk?

>>58787729

A UHD rip can be over 100GB. I'll wait for the amazon shipping over downloading that shit while praying speeders can even reach 1/5th my internet speed.

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>people think piracy is a game to the Russians and Chinese

>>58789521
Netflix is gonna lowball on the bitrate anyway. Even if people have better home connections it's fucking expensive to deliver that much traffic.

>>58790272
>make all media unrippable

>decrypt movie and send it to screen
>except screen is not a screen, it's a capture card
Shit that was hard.

>>58786936
and even with all this botnet it is still possible to get the unencrypted signal from the cable that goes to the lcd panel

>>58790749
>>58790758
Capture cards aren't of the same quality as rips because raw display data is way too big to save it so you have to compress it which means loss of quality.

>>58786936
>physical media in 2017

who cares

>>58790778
>Capture cards aren't of the same quality as rips because raw display data is way too big to save it so you have to compress it which means loss of quality.
Shouldn't the process of disk data -> display data be reversible though?

>>58786969
>Blurays cannot be played with free software yet
Sure they can.
http://www.labdv.com/aacs/

>>58790794
Lossy encoding -> Decoded with artifacts -> Captured with artifacts -> Encoded to lossy format...

It's the .mp3.mp3.wma.mp3 problem

>>58790794
>Shouldn't the process of disk data -> display data be reversible though?
That's why they invented HDMI tho.

>>58790828
encode lossless then

>>58790841
thats why you use the cable that goes to the panel and not hdmi or any other botnet cable

>>58790857
Yeah, that's not gonna work. Have fun trying, though.

>>58790852
Real-time lossless 4K encoding is going to cost you much IO. In the end file will be that big that you want to reencode it anyway.

>>58790706
>A UHD rip can be over 100GB.
It can be whatever, but realistically a "pretty much transparent" quality encode with h.265 or better should be around 30GB tops.

>>58791057
i hope that this is not one of those "128kbps mp3 is transparent" memes

>>58790576
Nice, Jerry Lee roleplaying

>>58790841
4k HDMI capture devices already exist

>>58790039
still cant believe that was something that existed

>>58786951
Zen doesn't have an IGP

>>58791424
No, it's more like a "128kbps AAC is transparent" meme.

>>58786936

there's nothing good to watch so who cares

dead on arrival

Blu-rays are now dying

laptops aren't being made no longer with disk drives

now all PC software is downloaded from the internet

the only devices still using disks are Consoles, but it's pointless because most games still need to download huge 10GB+ Patches on day one and you can buy most games online

>>58788329
5" floppies had the write-enable notch on the casing

>>58788443
reading the wikipedia article, it looks like it might be able to read it via cold-boot attack?

>>58786936
they'll find a way
they always do

>>58786936
oh wow, it's not like sgx is not bug laden and in a year there going to be like 50 erratas about how sgx can be used to make super malware or anything.

x86 needs to fucking die. these "negative rings" are literally cancer.

>>58786936
Didn't blu ray get cracked because someone posted the master key online?
Does the prosessor have the decoding key?
Is it the playback software?
Is the playback software itself encrypted?
Could someone draw me the "MPAA ENCRYPTION MAP" so i can understand.

The thought that future windows applications will be encrypted in such a way that we, the users cannot even know what the fuck its doing, is scary.

Who knows if future applications will just botnet the entire machine and send everything you do to NSA.

I would rather use ubongu than allow SGX based applications on my computer.

>>58792141
Not necessarily - if it allows you to run encrypted binaries that means something like Netflix could one day be one of those encrypted binaries

>>58792801
1080p blurays using AACS which had 4 or 5 of it's encrypted keys posted online over the years, essentially rendering it useless.

AACS 2.0 however is the new encryption method used for UHD blurays, AACS 2.0 requires a trusted execution environment to run the decryption in and to store the encrypted key.

This basically means it's a right fucking cunt to get around and is MUCH more invasive.

>>58792857
We could just wait for ching chong labeled uhd players to be released and start etching the roms.

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>>58786936
>SGX instructions allow execution of encrypted binaries. Users cannot decrypt binaries using SGX nor apply memory analysis on SGX programs in execution.
>SGX instructions allow execution of encrypted binaries. Users cannot decrypt binaries using SGX nor apply memory analysis on SGX programs in execution.
>SGX instructions allow execution of encrypted binaries. Users cannot decrypt binaries using SGX nor apply memory analysis on SGX programs in execution.

>>58792926
Only 3 companies have been allowed to produce them for PC from what I have seen.


LG-Hitachi in a joint venture, and Pioneer.

>>58792372
Really hope there's a BIOS switch to disable SGX or shit's gonna get really ugly.

>>58792964
MPAA trying really hard to kill UHD blu-ray before it has a foothold, hardly anyone even has a 4k TV and players still cost hundreds.

>>58792285

as did the 3.5

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>>58789521
yeah really lookin forward to UHD B-Rated movies from netflix's lineup my man

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>AMD adds SME to help users secure their systems
>Intel adds it as SGX to harm users and execute nonfree code out of their control
You can't make this shit up.

I'm not planning on going past 1080p/i desu.

1080i was a clear improvement to 480i.
While 4K does improve on things, it isn't worth the shit you have to eat with it (literally encrypted processes, DRM to the teeth, etc).

>>58792999

trips

also, there are really only a handful of movies worth seeing UHD -- a few sci fi movies, or movies with starlets in bathing suits

UHD porno is literally disgusting unless the production values are good and the performers are under 25

>>58786936
>Use a GPU
>Problem solved
Was it so ahrd?

>>58786936
>Ultra HD Blu-ray requires Kaby Lake for playback on PC Anonymous
Why?

>>58787008
>There is now literally no way to know what is being executed on your computer.
How is this OK?

>>58793677
...are you retarded?

The decoding REQUIRES SGX instructions, meaning it REQUIRES an intel kaby lake CPU.

You can put any GPU you want in a computer if it doesnt have kaby lake, it wont playback a UHD bluray.

>>58786936
Can't the people producing bruerays just decide not to use this?

>>58793775
No. it's a required part of the standard.

>SGX instructions allow execution of encrypted binaries. Users cannot decrypt binaries using SGX nor apply memory analysis on SGX programs in execution
And nobody will care, because people are tech illiterate.

>>58792947
There is something wrong with that graph.

>>58790681
>>58790779
Someone's got to rip the Blu-rays you torrent

>>58790861
Except it's been done and you can buy devices to do it.
>hook Blu-ray player up to TV
>disconnect LVDS cable from TV panel
>plug into PCIe capture card (you actually need that bandwidth)
>play movie

>>58794215
capping a screen isnt the same as a full bitrate remux.

just sayin.

>>58794245
I never said it enabled you to obtain a 1:1 quality copy, I'm merely pointing out that the method described is most definitely possible.

>>58786936
>blu-ray

>>58794405
>pointless greentext

>movies

Who watches these anymore?

Simple: I won't use their discs.

What fucking year is this anyway? Does anybody still watch movies on discs?

>>58786936
Its literally DRM, same shit with Netflix 4k shit

>>58786936
disgusting drm

So, GNUray fucking when?

>uses writeable BR disks as base
>can be used for exactly this purpose
>uses fully open codecs. No DRM, no patents, no copy protection.
>Picture quality and stream size are not perfect... but they will improve in the next version!
>/g/ makes the logo

The real shame with the pirate scene is the lack of audio commentaries, one of the best features of disc media.

>>58794552
You're on the wrong sites then...


Almost every film I download has commentaries if they were on the disc, they also tend to have at a minimum english subs, but generally 3-5 languages.

>>58786936
I, for one, haven't used optical media since 2008. Why does this thread exist?

>>58794550

>separate audio (vinyl) and visual disks must be started at the same time to audio sync manually on different players connected to the same TV running GEN-TV OS which allows multiple sources to run at the same time.
>audio player also needs to be hand cranked

>>58794609
Some people like to enjoy their films at the highest possible quality. Just because you're an embryo doesn't mean everyone else is.

>>58794609
>lol guise I'm so kool I haven't touched a CD in like 4evah

>>58794550
This should be a thing just because GNU-Ray is an amazing name

>>58794552
just download the unedited version. all encodes and remuxes are shit and have most subtitles and extras removed some also only have 7.1 audio that sounds shit if you dont have enough speakers.

>>58788405
They do care retard. The mpaa would prefer everyone get untraceable malware. I bet they end up hiring people to make some for them.

Nigga no-one fucking played old blu-rays on pc.
At most you rip them and play the file. Fuck anything else.
Who the fuck goes out and buys a 4k blu-ray and then plays it on their pc? Without ripping?

I take it game DRM's gonna require this shit sooner or later.
"Fallout five: Requires kabby lake or equiv hardware"
Just as denuvo gets totally fucked, we get this shit.
You'll literally have to upgrade your CPU every year, not because of speed, but because developers won't release their games for the cpu's with broken hardware encryption.

>>58793142
People said this about blu-ray, and while it never really matured enough to notice, now 1080p rips are ubiquitous.
I can't talk, I have a RX 480 hooked up to 2x 1366x768 18" monitors. Good enuf. But by the time I need a new one, I'll probably grab a few 4k's.

>>58795946
>fallout five
>Playing fallout since Bethesda took over
Kys.

>>58795983
I was thinking of a go-to franchise that could get away with this.
Maybe have a small one do it first, it takes the heat, tests the strength, then release a big game with it, and no-one could be fucked getting mad again.

>>58786936
There will be no need as long as a few rippers bypass whatever security is on them and upload as torrents. Even raw 4K bluray is only 100GB max.

i really hope intel would just dies to be honest.

FDIV bug pales in comparison to some of the erratas shitel's CPUs have had lately.

SGX is just going to be the cream of the crapheap crop.

O WOW, ALLOCATE TO HYPER PRIVILEGED MEMORY OUTSIDE OF THE CONTROL OF THE OS AND THE USER? WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG!

>>58795946
Fallout 4 requires steam
The physical copy is actually 100% worthless the anybody, you're required to download steam files to play your disc at all, and at that point why not just download the game?

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>>58796159
>tfw all games i have can be installed from cd/dvd and they work without an internet connection
i dont really like any of these new bluray or steam games

>>58786936
Its a damn shame that I wont be able to download 4k versions of movies with no DRM after this, like i do now... oh wait

>>58796359
That being said, you think somebody would buy a brand new never opened copy of Fallout 4 without the steam code?

>>58790292
>>58790550
>implying the decoded video won't be watermarked

>>58796410
Pro tip: New 4K movies are only going to be released with DRM that requires SGX a couple years from now. After that, studios will slowly remove non-SGX DRM 4K movies from market. In a 3-4 years, all easily obtainable 4K movies will come with SGX DRM.

>>58795974
>People said this about blu-ray
It was a much bigger improvement going 480i>1080p than 1080p>whateverUHDTVis.
Especially with stuff like broadcast televsion, which was often 4:3, and in the americas didn't even have the right colours.

>>58793058
>This kikery
>People will still buy and defend Intel

Guys I'm confused. Does currently 4K BDs have DRM that can't be played on regular BD-RW? I just realize I've never seen a 4K rip before.

>>58800026
yup, 4k BDs use aacs 2.0 which hasn't been cracked (yet). In order to play them you need new BD player that supports 4k BDs

>>58800026
4k blu rays have to be played on a new player because it requires hardware that old players don't have
a lot of 4k content isn't truly 4k though so you're not missing out

>>58786936
Who cares, there is literally no point to Ultra HD.

>>58800529
4u

>>58788329
floppy drives dont physically touch the surface, the heads hover over it. Also, when inserting or removing the floppy, it would clean the disk

>>58800529
UHD Bluray players do 10-bit color and have HDR. It makes a huge difference if you're really into A/V

The chinese will think of something, their entire country relies on copying other people stuff.

>yesmovies.to

How can Hollywood even compete?

>>58790706
I seriously doubt you'd be able to tell the difference between the original and a high quality HEVC encode that's 30-50GB. I guess it sucks if you have shit internet. I could probably download a 100GB rip in ~25min or even less. The only way I'm getting a physical disc faster than that is if there's a shop pretty close by that has it in stock.

>>58789521
Doesn't matter how fast internet speeds get in the US, we will all have shitty data caps unless some sort of addon or fee is paid.

>>58801618
Not everyone has Comcast. My last two ISPs have had no data cap on every plan I've gotten through them.

>>58790039
>>58791749
What exactly is it?

>>58801682
A code you can buy to remove arbitrary restrictions on your CPU

>>58801695
wasn't there a bios hack for that?

>>58801741
No clue. The only thing that comes to mind like that is I know there were certain Phenom (II?) processors where you could unlock cores that didn't pass QC (i.e. turning a tri-core into a quad-core).

>>58801771
i did that with a phenom 2 525, turned it into a quad. motherboard manufacturers even started marketing boards with unlock features built in.

>>58801695
Oh wow they really did that?

>>58801821
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Upgrade_Service

>>58791815
DELETE THIS

>>58786969
You can, but its often a pain.

Sadly Hollywood still haven't figured out that regardless of what protections they come up with to prevent legal owners from watching a movie, its always going to be fairly trivial to rip the movie and re-encode it into a more friendly format. I don't know why they even try anymore their shit has never worked.

Fuck, if they'd release those big record album style cases I'd probably buy a bunch of stuff over again.

>tfw no free, open-source Blu-ray mastering format using AV1 codec and royalty-free menu system

It's only take a few JAV studios releasing their most guro shit on new free format for it to be de-facto industry standard, shutting out Sony, Philips, Intel, MPEG-LA Jews from AVC, HEVC codecs and AVCHD/BDMV directory structure patents.

>>58791057
>It can be whatever, but realistically a "pretty much transparent" quality encode with h.265 or better should be around 30GB tops.

Star.Trek.Beyond.2016.UltraHD.BluRay.2160p.HEVC.BT2020.TrueHD 7.1.Atmos-HDLeader.mkv
56.2 GiB

And I can play it fluently on an i7-2600K

Planned obsolescence DRM horseshit ruining technology again. I used to give stallman shit, but he's fucking right again.

>>58804454
>56.2 GiB
I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference if it was 30GB.
Someone should post comparison screenshots or an unconverted source clip.

>>58788397
Was wondering the exact same.
Anyway, I skimmed through the manual and seems like it requires some sort of key. Not sure if it's to enable the instructions from a user program or if it's just to encrypt the instructions.

wanna upgrade from a i7 4790k but dont wanna play 300 slavebucks REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW

>>58805030
>I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference if it was 30GB

Probably not, but there are very few UHD torrents out there that have more than Stereo sound and as I have a 5.1 system, the higher resolution would come at the price of far worse sound. So, I'll take what is offered.

In the future, I can still replace them with leight-weight versions, as long as they have at least 6 channel sound

Since we're talking blu-ray drives, anyone can share experience from using external blu-ray drives? Read comments on few models, seems like a gamble.

>>58797163
looks like i wont watch any movies then. not a big problem for me tho because i dont own a tv and dont really like watching something for multiple hours

>>58804454
i hate these. why cant they include the stereo track too? not everyone has 10000 speakers and a multi channel amp or even enough room to place all that shit properly.

>>58805030
it might not be possible to see the difference in a still image but it could be different if theres many things moving quickly

This is just one step away from hardware DRM.

This hardware drm shit is fucking spooky, 4k Netflix locked at kl, older windows not supporting newer chips, etc.

>>58794507
Only if you care about quality

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>>58786945
>just buy the world's first CPU that doesn't let you see what userspace code it's running

>>58787008
Sure there is, just use Linux and don't install the SGX driver.

>>58804454
>AACS2.0 hasn't been cracked
>UltraHD.BluRay
makes sense

>>58806278

Why would you need a stereo track when you can properly downmix the surround track?

>>58808519

This is the first step into the quicksand.

>>58808887

Inform yourself before you spout shit. Some capture the video stream and simply mux it with FHD Bluray 7.1 audio

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>>58786936
HOLY SHIT. DRM LOCKED COPROCESSING IS HAPPENING. I TOLD YOU WINFAGS WHAT WOULD HAPPENED IF YOU BLINDLY SUPPORT THESE KEKS.
Skylake masterrace here. After that I'm choosing Zen+.

>buy bullshit-free, simple Blu-ray player
>plug into bullshit-free, simple monitor
>enjoy content without hardware and/ or software headaches

>>58809662
this.

>>58786936
>security through obscurity
Welp. I give it a year or two.

>>58810084
Better solution: Torrent

>>58810517

I see you're very confident in your hacking skills. Have you started working on it yet?

>>58810638
No.

>>58786936
>Vista was released 10 years ago (+7days)

what does this mean and why is everybody against it

>>58809662
>implying AMD's not going to support SGX
are you guys fucking stupid
what normie would buy amd if it got out that you can't even do everything intel can? normies don't care about drm; if amd can't play back muh Netflix they're not going to buy it

>>58794552
>>58794552
>audio commentaries
What the fuck is that and why would we care?
Movies are just a distraction, not a passion.

>>58801831
This is the monopoly that intelfags want.

>>58809603
So? It's not UltraHD Bluray rip, it's a capture.

>>58794215
>Someone's got to rip the Blu-rays you torrent
Yeah like one person.

>>58811069
>Implying normies care about 4k
>Implying they a literrata about this
>Implying they have the bandwith for it

>>58811327
>implying normies who bought a shitty $500 """smart""" 4k tv on black friday don't care about 4k
>netflix bitstarved "4k" requires bandwidth
kek

>>58811372
>Implying normies wouldn't even know what a transcode or tell the difference between MP3 and FLAC let alone 1080p and 4K

>>58811433
you don't need to be able to tell a difference to get them to buy it. 4K is a bigger resolution than 1080 so it's automatically better. see 1 gb """1080p""" yify rips

>>58805228
So, 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 all over again.

>>58811282

Your point? It is Blu-Ray quality, what the hell do I care?

>>58796601
>Implying media can't be bought anonymously

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>>58800686
>UHD Bluray players do 10-bit color

But all media on UHD Bluray is encoded with 4:2:0 chroma subsampling.

>>58812650
Also, TN-panels can't even display 8-bit color, they are native 6-bit + some dirty tricks

>>58812625
>implying players and drives can't be traced and blacklisted for future releases.

A similar thing happens with digital theaters. The projectors they use are required to add a watermark to every DCP exhibited. That watermark encodes time, date and the exhibition venue, so if you record a movie the whole theater can be fucked by the distributors and the copyright mafia. CAM releases are being more hard to do because of that.

>>58812977
A ripper can simply rip 10-20-30 movies in one go before releasing them. So if the player is blacklisted, the cost of the player is distributed on all the films that were ripped.

It's gonna be expensive to rip new movies, but catching up with the backlog not so much. Maybe we'll see monthly or quarterly dumps of movies..

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The whole point of these encrypted binaries is to keep their proprietary software untouched and to have power over the user.

Imagine how many back doors does that piece of shit have

>malware utilizes SGX
>nobody can figure out what the hell is it doing
I want to see that happen.

>>58786964
>I remember buying an entire new machine in the 90s so I could burn CDs.

Oh fuck off. It wasn't until 2000 that you could start to get CD burners for under $300. In no way did anyone need to build a PC for that. Unless you had some archaic machine without a CD player.

>>58788410
>>58788443
>>58792312
>>58788506
You will likely be able to attack it via SMM or other low-level attack vectors(there's plenty of bugs in hard & firmware, think rowhammer)

>>58813632
Man, she looks like shit. She should have gotten her nuts done back when she was reasonably attractive.

>SGX
how the fuck is this allowed?

>>58810084
HDMI has mandatory bullshit, sorry

>>58811069
SGX is a proprietary intel standard I think

Georgia Tech has a simulator for SGX
https://github.com/sslab-gatech/opensgx

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>>58813734
More then malware what happens if Windows 10 runs it's telemetry shit on SGX???? No hope left.

>>58786936
Okay So i had a hard think last night about my skylake i got less than 8 months ago and was thinking.

Can I run normal Blue ray disk ?

>>58786936
>Software Guard Extensions (SGX) instructions
Fuck it, anime will lead the way.

>>58787071
It's uninformed.
You aren't going to want to download a movie with the same bitrate and compression method as a Blu Ray disc, as it would take up a ton of space. In this way, a dedicated read only disc is superior.

>>58789737
>optical disks are obsolete.
This

>>58816943
shut up kid.

P O W E R 8
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>>58816943
enjoy your bitrate-starved eyecancer

>>58817011
You know POWER9 is out in a few months right?

>>58817032
In other words, POWER8 is currently the best choice.

How do I write SGX malware, guys?

>>58817032
>>58817048
In the POWER architecture, just because the next one is out doesn't mean it's better. It just means the engineers were doing something different

>>58816931
Wouldn't a downloaded movie with the same bitrate and compression method as a Blu Ray disc take up the same amount of space, or less, as a Blu Ray disc?

>>58816818
>muh non-free hdmi
You're retarded. First, that post is about playback not copying. Second, who the fuck in their right mind would use a capture card to copy new media? Remember, we're talking about already owning the disc. If you're trying to record My Little Pony from Netflix with the capture card your parents bought you for your YouTube gaming channel, stop it, and get some help.

>>58786936
OP hasn't mentioned this but it will also require Windows 10 Japanese :^)

>http://www.techhive.com/article/3162004/windows/pioneer-reveals-the-first-4k-blu-ray-drives-for-pcs.html
>The company also says that UHD playback requires the Japanese language version of Windows 10.

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>>58816841
>tfw

>>58786936
Brb, writing a botnet with SGX support that will be undetectable by antiviruses because they can't analyze it.

>>58820904
SGX will allow trusted antivirus into the enclave.

>>58821190
doubt.png

The anime community will crack it when they start releasing 4K BDs in 2020.

>>58786936
>SGX instructions allow execution of encrypted binaries. Users cannot decrypt binaries using SGX nor apply memory analysis on SGX programs in execution.
It begins

>>58812497
it's not untouched, it was encoded from the capture.

>>58812650
HDMI 2.0 can't even do 4K@60fps with sumbsampling higher than 4:2:0 IIRC

>>58821927
HDMI 2.1 can.

>>58821964
No one has HDMI 2.1

>>58821910

Are you seriously inferring that you can see the difference?

>>58822027
My autism can.

>>58790852
3 hours of lossless 4K HDR is 8 terabytes, that's really not practical.

>>58822032

Ok then, can we end this sham argument here?

I had assumed that the new UHD discs were the same capacity as the old BR discs, and that a new player was required because of the HEVC codec requirement.

Guess I was wrong ?

>>58821927
2.0 can do 4k60 4:4:4 so long as it's 8 bit, it's 1.4/1.3 that you had to choose between 60fps or 4:4:4.

Once you go 10 bit then you need to choose reduced refresh rate or subsampling again, so far all blu rays go for the reduced refresh rate.

>>58822052
They're the same as the BD-XL discs, which you can get drives for. It's the copy protection that's the real pain in the ass, if/when it's ever broken you should be able to play discs without any particular hardware requirements other than being fast enough to decode the HEVC.

>>58822077
so really this BR drive is just a lot of marketing.


Physicaly media is dying anyways, optical drives are being removed from laptops more and more these days and seeing a BR drive on one is uncommon.

>>58822002
Where did I say otherwise?

>>58792841
>one day
google netflix gilmore girls

>>58810517
No, security through mil-grade asymmetric encryption.

>>58822403
this mil-grade encryption meme needs to stop

>>58822103
It's not just marketing, it's required to use the copy protection, a BDXL drive can only read the encrypted data, can't get the keys to decrypt.

>>58795946
This will be the death of PC gaming if they going to head that route.

>>58822940
>"Surely this will be the end of PC gaming," says increasingly nervous dirty console peasant for seventh time this year

>>58822403
>military-style assault encryption

>>58817013
you do realize you can download bluray remuxes, right?
they are /literally/ the same quality as bluray

>>58819004
yes, a little less, actually, since you don't need to download the ads/trailers/extras that come on the bluray disc

>>58823801
Where do you think Blu-ray remuxes come from? That's right, the "obsolete" tech known as Blu-ray discs.

>>58821190
how the fuck will it do that?

SGX implies negative rings.

how the fuck is a kernel-space shitheap AV going to read privileged memory that not even the fucking kernel can read?

if it can, then it's only a matter of time before some crypto keys, that allow "trusted vendors" to break SGX enclaves, are leaked from symantec or some other meme shitware security company.

>>58823837
that's your argument? it's better on a disc because that's what's provided?

>>58823887
No, dumbass. My argument is that the discs are clearly not obsolete as you still use them (indirectly) to obtain movies.

>>58823845
It probably won't work. Enclaves will be protected from each other.

>>58786936 So is it possible to rip 4k blurays on kabylake? With re-encoding of course.

>>58786936
>2017
>4k is available only on physical disks
Its like they want me to steal their shit.

>>58823887
Are you actually retarded?

>>58790606
Hell, my fucking RX 470 will stream 1440p with it's fans in silent / disabled mode. Streaming is ez pz

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>>58786936
>putting movie disks in your pc
So nobody here remembers when sony put a virus in their dvd's?

Cant you always just rip the video output anyways with obs or something? They cant stop it

>>58786936
I could already play back 4k porn on my Ivy Bridge, two years ago.

This is just FUD to push you into buying more intel chips.

>>58826501
Do tell

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>>58826607
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

>>58826521
Yes, they can.
HDCP

looks like i have to get an amd or non x86 cpu if i ever need to upgrade from i5 2500k

>>58788379
Bad things happen all the time. Like Ebola, AIDS. earthquakes, landslides, avalanches, or most stuff in Russia.

>>58826755
>hdcp
i answer with HDFury.
>mfw they will answer with waternarking

>>58786936
could they be anymore retarded this confirms no one is going to buy one

>>58828732
Japs always buy when Sony puts out a new home theater shit.

there is going to be playback modules for this garbage within a year or people are just going to reencode the releases if the drm is actually hard to crack. Whoever keeps coming up with this hardware drm needs a bullet. Who needs backdoors in your cpu with instruction sets like these, sure can't wait for adware/viruses that use the new SGX instructions to completely own your computer.

>>58826749
>although the software is not malicious

>installs and hides itself without alerting the user
>hampers computer functionality
>creates security holes
>dials home
Totally not malicious

>>58790778
>>58790828
>Capture cards aren't of the same quality as rips because raw display data is way too big to save it so you have to compress it which means loss of quality.
A 'rip' has to be converted anyways. As long as the capture card uses quality transcoding options then it should be fine

Otherwise the raw output can be simply bitstreamed to an encoder, as long as the encoder is fast enough to do realtime encoding.

This is all worst case scenario though. SGE simulators already exist, and unauthorized playback has been achieved for every single format in the past

>>58816334
>she

>>58823004
I was implying this will be the death PC 'gaymen' so that we can get rid of Wangblows users and contain them to console.

>>58786936

Completely DOA

Old media still hasn't woken up yet. Their business model is now obsolete. This is another last grasp for control.

>>58829721
Sorry, "that hole".

So would this prevent me from making a rip then on a computer without this instruction? I typically pick up cheap blurays from yard sales and resell book stores and rip them to my file server.

>>58832962
UHD blurays are encrypted on disk. You cannot play them without hardware that supports the decryption.

>>58831036
>only being released in japan

no, they know it's dead

they're releasing it in the only country that they can sell it in easily and cheaply

this is like the last ditch effort to dump whatever extra optical drive parts they have and use the factory tooling before it all goes away

the only thing left will be video game consoles after UHD bluray flops

>>58833332
>after UHD bluray flops

This.

After regular BluRays there hasn't been anything that consumers want. no one bought 3d blu rays and 3d TV's are dead now.

Everyone bought 4k TV's because 4 TIMES THE RESOUTION without knowing what to feed them. But no one is gearing up to start a 4k bluray movie collection. No one can even be fucked to buy the players needed. People use their 4k sets for 4k netflix, that's it.

No one is going to be eating any of the optical media shit they are trying to push moving forward. Regular blurays will be here to stay until everyone goes to digital only.

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>>58833410
it's an inevitability

it's also the reason why I'm so much more interested in how the video game console market will continue to use physical media

Will the next consoles release _without_ a Blu ray drive and make it a USB 3.0 addon for people without a decent net connection?

Will they go cloud streaming for games in big cities?

We're literally in the weirdest time for different combinations of hardware, absolutely nothing is fitting together in an optimal way. TVs went from SD to 720p without a hitch, and to 1080p with a little trouble. Now we're going to 4K with very little content and already have 8K waiting in the wings without the broadband bandwidth to push 4k in most areas.

I find it really interesting that the only really new features we're getting on CPUs are for HEVC enc/dec and security measures for DRM on media. It's like Intel has completely given up on actually innovating until they get off silicon.

>>58786936
>_buying_ a blu ray
>playing back blu ray
>ever
Topkek.

>>58786951
It will, XBone and PS4 already do.

>>58833468
>not getting all your favourite movies from the library and remuxing them yourself

>>58833466
>I find it really interesting that the only really new features we're getting on CPUs

I have a feeling that both AMD and Intel KNOW that there is very little more to be gained in the current transistor path, at least while still being reverse compatible with "legacy" software (meaning literally everything) so they must keep doddling out small incremental upgrades in order for their business model to work.

No one will buy anything if you've ran your tech into a theoretical ceiling and have nowhere to go until you can finally cash out that non-silicon 5nm vaporware you've been spending billions on in hopes of making a reality. So until you can you've got to makes the current realistic lithographies and architectures fill in for a decade or more with some sort of demonstrable year-to-year incremental advancement to keep products flowing off the shelves.

And in the mean time you also try to cram more and more threads onto a die to increase theoretical throughput in hopes coders will get their shit together and actually start making use of the parallel processing power in a meaningful ad practical way.

What i'm afraid of is that it's possible there will be a time, maybe not too far off, where we will run into some very hard limits in processing power and efficiency. Currently we're ahead of the curve in that 5 yer old processor are still practically more than enough for general workloads but that head start will quickly be shrinking with faster and faster solid state storage media, faster memory, and eventually a blurring between system memory and storage. We will meet a point where CPUs become a major bottleneck and there are significant diminishing returns with more threads even on highly efficient parallel processing code.


This will probably happen by the mid 2020's.

>>58787019
I just let other people rip the discs and properly re-encode the vids in sane formats that I can get from my favorite torrent tracker.

>>58788397
Did you forget when Sony music CD's used to install rootkits?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

Thank you jewtel and kikesoft

>>58786989
>download pirate file with identical image quality
>enjoy movie

soooooooooo haarrrrrrddddddd

>>58833752
>download encrypted movie
>play without hardware that supports the encryption
Good luck.

How the fuck is this even allowed?

>>58833779
Are you really this illiterate?

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>>58833785
I wonder the same fucking thing, mate.