Is it good to learn electronics if you're a programmer?

>is it good to learn how to cast plastic if you're going to build shit with lego?

Good? "Yes". Completely needless? Yes.

>>58757313
>electrician
implying they could learn programming... kek

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Don't listen to the tards in the thread. If you know assembly/basic you can put that knowledge into electronics building. Try playing shenzen I/O, it's semi-realistic. Also you can program arduinos to do cool shit if you feel like interacting with the material world.

>>58757297
>Is it good to learn?
Yes

>>58757463
Why play that game if you can learn assembly and build & learn cool things.

>>58757297
Start with the basics there is also a neat book called "Code" that starts with some basic info about computers.

>>58757496
Because it teaches you pretty well desu

>>58757463
I bought the starter kit a while back and its just been sitting idle in its original box, havent gotten into it after completing some of the projects in the manual.

I have been watching this dudes videos and it got me motivated to learn that shit again, this is the kind of stuff I would like to do as a hobby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYXwCBo40iA

>>58757511
Assembly also teaches you well, there are plenty of guides to learn from as it's given at first year CS students on certain universities

>>58757297
If you want to get into low-level programming, it is a must.

>>58757322
Too simplistic a view, if you are only to be making installations and that sort of stuff, no...

But there are other stuff, here the tertiary electrician technician degree has a year of assembly and low-level architecture of microprocessors on top of some heavy math, it is a mid-tittle of a technologist degree but still...

I am learning electronics and arduino, i think it maybe is good in the future

>>58757317

>Casting plastic

We got a code monkey here

yeah. and always make sure to torque down all the caps to 25 ft-lb.

>>58757297
Why do these pictures always have to be some fucking idiot holding the extremely hot iron instead of by the handle?
And besides the hot metal part, it just looks goofy the way they hold it.

>>58757991
They think they're holding a pen instead of something that will burn their skin out, and obviously no one in the room where they took the picture knew how to handle it. It's clearly a very professional studio

>>58757991
>Why do these pictures always have to be some fucking idiot holding the extremely hot iron instead of by the handle?
>And besides the hot metal part, it just looks goofy the way they hold it.
That's not the only WTF about that pic. Holding the iron like that is the most obvious part. Look closely... the more you look, the more WTF things pop out.

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>>58757991
its an oscilliscope probe, anon

>>58757529

> he thinks electronics is digital logic

>>58757297
completely unnecessary

>>58757297
>>58757991

He's also soldering a fucking breadboard, and a big fucking torque wrench is on the bench, why?

>>58758159
>Uses a 4chan pass
wow

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>>58758163
>He's also soldering a fucking breadboard, and a big fucking torque wrench is on the bench, why?
you're getting there.

here's a bigger pic for all you autists to dissect. see what else you can find. I lol'd hard at so many bits.

>>58758104
no it isn't

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>>58757297
>Ratchet
>Hammer
>Big Pliers
>Big scew driver
>Holding solder by the hot end
>On a breadboard
>Oscilloscope isn't even properly plugged
I know this is shutterstock image, but fuck.

>>58758183
The o-scope doesn't have a probe plugged in but there is a probe on the o-scope. Wut

>>58758183
He's touching the soldering iron to the package of a chip
Not using the solder
It's on a breadboard
He's holding the iron by the hot part, while it's on
The oscilloscope is displaying a signal, but appears to have nothing connected
Breadboard has a bunch of wires not connected to anything


What more do you want?

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>>58757297

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>>58758289

>>58758306
Copy that

>>58758183
is that smoke from the iron?

>>58757322
>whats PLC
>whats ladder logic

>>58758386
>ladder logic
What decade is this

>>58758289
>>58758306
that looks incredibly painful

>>58758400
>what are industries using?
you need to get out more

Why do stock photos have the worst tech horrors?

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>>58758386
if electricans could learn logic, they wouldn't resort to working on dangerous construction sites and wouldn't have to work in old mold-infested buildings repairing old wirings. It doesn't take much IQ to become an electrician. And if you're bad at it, you'll fall a victim to Darwin in months after you become one.

>>58758465
I just hear bitching about how you dont like the idea that there might be an electrician smarter than you

>>58757297
Depends do you want to be stuck behind a desk or do you want to be stuck behind a desk where you can program and fix computers?

>>58758410
I literally work with industrial machines. Consider leaving your basement.

>>58758183
He has a keyboard.

>>58757297
Sure why not, so you can build your own things.
Example: Mechanical keyboard, and then you flash it with the config you want

>>58758538
>industrial machines
and what controls them?

you should think before posting
t. Industrial project manager

>>58758385
looks shooped in

>>58758465
t. Shit electrician

>>58757297
Yes. Without knowing electronics you're going to be very lost programming microcontrollers. That typically requires you to understand the electronics your code is controlling; debug problems with a scope; understand datasheets, etc.

It's a very good field to get into now. The IOT fad means every company wants a microcontroller on everything so there's a huge demand for people with the electronics and programming competence for microcontrollers. It's like how webdevs had stupid amounts of money thrown at them during the .com bubble. Get into while it lasts.

>>58759501
you seem to know a lot more than other shitposers. whats a good book/video course to learn the basics?

It doesn't hurt, but it won't necessarily help you unless you plan to write firmware for bespoke hardware or something.

I picked up hobby EE work. It's pretty neat.

>>58758465

I'm an electrician in the Navy tbqh

>need an age waiver for nuke and my paperwork didn't get through so I shipped out with electrician rate

Got picked up for pilot tho so it worked out

>>58758404
FOR YO U

>>58758570
actuators you retard

>>58759501
There's already a microcontroller in everything

... now they want them networked

>>58758570
>manager
So as expected, you know nothing about the actual hardware.

>>58757875
haha that's what I was whatthefucking about as well

>>58757297
If you want to make your own devices/gadgets, then yes.

Otherwise, no.

>>58758104
yeah, I too probe my not connected ICs with a smoking soldering iron with my huge ass wrench handy nearby.

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Yes.

>>58757297
In my country, the only collage where you can can get proper programming teached (not the web design immediately learning Java, but Assembler -> Pascal -> C -> C++ -> Java -> Python -> Matlab ) is the collage of electrical engineering.

If you want to be high tier proper programmer , you have to know lots of maths, electronics ...

Proper programming =/= Web design, HTML, Video game design ... and other bullshit you can learn in a day or two

>>58757313
How else would we use Matlab ?

>>58757297
>Holding a solder iron on the tip like a pen
>Oscilloscope probes are in the background doing nothing
>The circuit makes no sense, all the wires are just hanging and there's a chip in the middle
>Why is he soldering the chip ?
>Why is there a wrench, and wrench gear
>Why is the holder for the soldering iron on the other side of the table ?
>Don't you need two hands, one for iron second for solder ?
>Where does the oscilloscope signal come from
>Are those gardening scissors ?
>If he is dealing with small circuits why the hell does he need nippers(in the background) and a hammer

too many questions

>>58762819
wtf am i looking at anon?

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>>58762949
A PLC with digital inputs and outputs.

Example wiring of one.

>>58763011
The Chinese have made them affordable to play around with.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wecon-24-I-O-cheap-plc-with-2-analog-input-and-1-ouput-step-7-MICRO/1576523680.html

>>58761799
If it breaks, best way to fix it is to hit it with a wrench.

By far.

>>58757297
>Is it good to learn electronics if-
The answer is yes. No "if" needed.

>>58762819
this is programming for monkeys. Even I'm retarded enough to program this shit, and i don't wanna learn how to use word so i write in libreoffice.

>>58757517
>shilling for cannibals

>>58757322
>le programming is hard meme
Fucking pajeet

>>58757297
When is it bad to learn?

>>58758306
Is this science?

>>58763719
No, that's black magic

>>58757991
>not using superior pen grip for increased precision

>>58757864
Where are you working?
NASA? NSA? lockheed martin? airbus?

or are you just writing shitty low level code for some embedded systems, where code is almost impossible to reuse code in other project because its specific for this hw producer, where IDE is shit and feel like 95', where manual is fucked up and you have to check half of the time on your own with oscilloscope, where after 10 years of xp as senior you are making 3 time less than avg java senior?

hm?

I know embedded system from inside and its funny when some EE student is trying to claim superiority, because after few years of working with shit enviroment you are not able to smell shit anymore.

>>58757297
if you are planning to program in assembly, then ok

>>58758183
Is he trying to burn through the plastic and his fingers?

>>58757297
it's a fun hobby I made some solar powered lights that I can change based on my mood with a nice switch box

>>58758306
I love that they actually turned the soldering station toward the camera so you can see the thing isn't even on. Not only is the display empty but the power switch is off.

>>58758306
>exposed disk platters
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>58758183
That 888D is on, seems to be at 400C, and an iron is plugged in. Don't think it's the one he's holding, though.

The sponge in the station is dry.

>>58758259
>>58758261
>The o-scope doesn't have a probe plugged in but there is a probe on the o-scope. Wut
>The oscilloscope is displaying a signal, but appears to have nothing connected

The scope probe is connected to the calibration signal node, next to the normal. The probe is not calibrated properly, hence the overshoot on the square wave.

>>58757297
I wouldn't call it useful, but it's fun for sure!

>>58764947
calm down there princess, I'm sure you are very important

>>58757297
>Is it good to learn electronics
yes

>>58758306
That guy's body is so out of proportion

>>58757297
i wanted to do embedded systems at one point but i couldn't arse myself to learn all the math and reading schematics or whatever they're called
had enough of that shit in school

>>58765604
is my post wrong?

EE guys told me arduinos are totally useless to learn EE, but I didn't listen, thinking they're a bunch of snobs.

They were right.

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>mfw i work in software dev but too dumb to learn electronics

>>58757322

Majority of programmers are code monkeys. Do not be so quick to judge someone like a electrician, plumber, or whatever. They are pretty much maintaining or installing the same shit over and over just like a code monkey is for the sake of keeping things afloat. Give it another decade or two and the annual salaries will be about the same as well, corporations are pushing hard to get programming taught in basic education (K-12) so they can flood the market and bring labor costs down.

>>58763011
Is there Free software for programming them or do I have to use pirated S7?

>>58759538
Elaborate on your hobby EE work please. How do you find your jobs? I'm a bored EE.

>>58765789
The plataform tends to hide the low level stuff, so technically, you aren't learning.

You do know that somebody have to program real things that do stuff in the real world, that could be you if you want to.

>>58757991
Why do you think those photos get picked by the OP? In the majority of them it's done right, but people like OP pick the few bad ones because they're funnier.

>>58765748
Very.

>>58757322
If Pajeets can do it, then so can we, you cuck.

>>58757297
If you find it fun, why not? You'd be surprised what you can do with knowing the basics, soldering, and programming languages like C and Python with Arduino and RPi.

>>58757322
I started out as an electrician.
We do learn how to program plc's, build basic relay control setups and how to program the various light systems, but you are correct in the assumption that everything is very basic and you basically learn to use something that is made easy to use.
The electrician education is more focused on understanding directives/standards and doing stuff rather than any technical stuff.
We did learn some basic electronics, but nothing like you do at university.

But since then I started a CE degree, and is now writing my master thesis.
So that is one electrician that learned programming.

>>58767144
Could you be more specific?

>>58767688
I don't write code at all.

>>58757864
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resin_casting
>Resin casting is a method of PLASTIC CASTING

You don't need more than basic digital and analog circuitry with just enough radio and infrared to understand latency issues.

>>58757297
only if you realise you're too shit for advanced topics in programming

>>58763017

t. scada cyber terrorist

>>58759501
still applies then

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>>58768266

I'd like to learn about hardware but I don't want to spend money on physical items so I'm stuck with software.

>>58769029
Get an Arduino UNO/Nano, cheap as fuck. Then get some components and a breadboard and you can start learning right away.

>>58762819
>>58763011
Heh, my work is wiring these things into ship control cabinets.

>>58758259
>>58765429
Lots of fucking internet experts here.
The term you faggots are looking for is "trace." There is no probe in CH1 of the scope. There is a trace displayed, reading CH1 @ 1V. Also displayed are overshoot and undershoot. At this signal level, ....

Holy fuck, what is he doing. He is soldering the epoxy case of the chip. There are leads connected to the socket holder. There is no solder being applied. That hammer. That torque wrench.

This reminds me of that Ahmed Mohamed picture where he's "soldering" a ribbon cable with unlicensed Windows running in the background.

That whole Ahmed thing really got to me. It was literally seen as "racist" to bring up the possibility that he didn't build that clock in the first place, and that he might not have been the "tinkerer" that he was branded as. Somewhere in my mind, I think it's wrong to bring that up. He's just a kid, they say.

>>58765859

You use Forth

>>58758465
not sure where you live, but elections here make 40+ an hour starting, their work isn't hard, just dangerous and has to be done right, at the end of the day they also get to put their work down and never have to think about it again, where as a programer, along with many other jobs that require you to think for a living, you aren't able to easily put them down just because its not in front of you anymore.

>>58769029
>want something like a raspberry pi with some basic i/o
>$35, doesn't even do open collector outputs
>want to do something with analog inputs, yet still be a full operating system?
>a gorillion dollars
I don't get it. Even like an 8-bit 10ms sensor would be plenty for just detecting a range of small values. Nobody does this though

>>58765793
plumber starts at 30, electrician starts at 40, machinist starts at around 18 but experience puts that up to mid 20's

code monkey job can be shipped halfway across the world to a third world hell hole, and actively are, with only required in house teams still in america for any well paying business.

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>>58757297
so oscilloscopes just measure/ graph changes in voltage over time? do they have like polling rates for the measurements they take? accuracy variances? what makes a good one? how does one shop for them?

>>58770949
not everyone lives in australia senpai

However Electricians do make good money in industrial settings

>>58762819
>implying you dont just flash what the engineer specified

>>58758227
>but fuck

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>>58771057
>just graph changes in voltage over time
Voltage yeah, but there are special probes available that convert capacitance to voltage, resistance to voltage, amperage to voltage, amplify voltage et cetera.

>polling rates
yes. most have settings starting at maybe one second per division and then you can go down to maybe a nanosecond per division on an expensive one.

>accuracy variances
yeah, though that's not usually the focus. usually the focus is on higher sampling rates, better interfaces, built-in algorithms for processing your input, and more sample memory.

>>58771576
>However Electricians do make good money in industrial settings
true dat. and the work ain't hard either.

>>58757322
I've met many good programmers that are electrical engineers. I would say that autism levels required match.

>>58757496
because Im poor, why else

>>58766216
What's the best alternative then?

How does an absolute beginner get into this stuff?

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>>58775038
kys and find out!

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>>58775038
>How does an absolute beginner get into this stuff?
find a used one of these

>>58758104
That's a big probe.

>>58775749
for you

>>58775092
That's not for a beginner

>>58775808
it sure as shit is. I was 15 and I picked it up from a public library and learned electronics from it.

>>58775885
ok, mybe i'm retarded. I have the third edition btw.

>>58776324
Haven't seen that one yet... I have the old 2nd Ed. Just fucking persist with it. I found the lab manual much better than the book, desu. Because it told me how to build circuits with a breadboard. Pick up the lab manual if you can.