Why can't Microsoft create a functioning calculator?

>>58718759
It works just fine, it's alternative maths.

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>>58718759
Give me dat feedback plz :DDD

So glad I trashed wndows where it belongs

It IS functional, you autist, because the way you entered the numbers into the calculator without hitting enter, it solves 910 + 35 first, and then multiplies it by 4.

>>58718759

Doesn't work with the keyboard either. You have to use a mouse.

Just business as usual at the failure that is the Microsoft applications and user interface dept.

>>58718782
No decent calculator operates this way. This still contradicts what it says on the screen. It should say (910 + 35) * 4 or 945 * 4.

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>>58718759
JESUS CHRIST HAHAHAHAH

Wintrash is even worse by the days

>>58718759
I must kek the toppest of the top kekkles but I am all out of sides.
Did microcucks forget about PEMDAS or what

>>58718782
>functional
>can't press backspace
lmao

>>58718759
>Install windows
>It literally gives you wrong answer to calculation

>>58718805
You haven't finished the equation yet, if it did that, it'd have to keep nesting them for every time you enter in an operation.

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>>58718759
Sigh.

All these botnet but you can't make a calculator.
Really made me think.

>>58718835
Yeah I know I haven't finished the equation yet, so why is windows giving me an answer...

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>>58718759
Also fucking ads on Calculator.

>>58718759
interns need to do something I guess

>>58718759
God, you think that's bad, try getting F1 to provide reliable help

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>>58718759
>winshits dont have a proper calculator
HAHAAHA

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kcalc reporting in

>turn off ethernet connection in the control panel
>launch windows calculator
>it cant open because it needs to connect to the botnet in order to function

>>58718907
>scientific calculator shows different results from normal calculator

nice try windows, trying to keep normies competing with rajeed

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>>58718907
>enable the mode that does math properly

what even is

>>58718848
Becuase it's really fucking handy for quick sums and cumulative shit, which is what 90% of people use it for.

>>58718907
Omg science!!1

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>>58718759
>too dumb to type in calculator

>programmer mode never saves Hex as the default base
It's stupid shit like this that makes people stick with Win7

>>58718938

It LITERALLY displays a formula AND result which do not equal each other.

No matter WHAT the reasoning behind this, it's wrong.

>>58718954

>scientific calculator with direct link to ifuckinglovescience facebook page

>>58718987
It's the history

>>58719003

What part of

>No matter WHAT the reasoning behind this, it's wrong.

didn't you get?

>>58718759
Pick a random basic calculator, you'll have the same results.

>>58719067
Show me 1 (one) calculator that does this.

>>58718848
THE OPERATING SYSTEM IS NOT GIVING YOU AN ANSWER, YOU SPERGING FUCK
>>58718854
Whalecum to the future, bitch!

>>58719084
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Calculator-Helect-Standard-Function-Desktop/dp/B01B5MU6JG/ref=sr_1_1?s=officeproduct&ie=UTF8&qid=1485782775&sr=1-1

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Solus is literally superior to Windows 10 in this manner.

>>58719021
It's doing it in sequential order and the "equation" is just the histroy. If you want it to act like a calculator you use scientific mode. Pretty simple really.

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>Pajeets rush to defend Microsoft instantaneously

>>58719113
>the windows calculator in its physical form
Pottery

>>58719138
Pretty much any calculator available for or packaged with Linux distributions are better than what a massive corporation can produce.

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>>58718759
They did. Don't use the universal abortion though

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>>58719003

the history is wrong because the simple calculator does the sums left to right regardless of whether it's pasted, even if you paste with parenthesis it ignores them, you have to explicitly type the parenthesis manually

this is contrary to every other software calc posted in this thread, and even windows own scientific calculator where you CAN paste parenthesis

>>58718759
made my own c++ calculator when I was 9. btfo op

>>58719290
It's so basic that it doesn't follow simple rules of arithmetic

>>58718759
It's a step calculator, it shows the previous number used in the sum to calculate the next.
E.g.: 910 + 35 = 945, now "945" represents "910 + 35" then "910 + 35" x 4 = 3780.

>>58719385

This.

Not that the average windows user is aware of arithmetic rules.

>>58719479
But that is just a plain wrong way of calculating.

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>>58718759
>Why can't Microsoft create a functioning calculator?

Because it won't make a difference if you don't know how to use it.

If you use a simple pocket calculator, it will do operations in the order you enter them. ie. it will first add 910+35 and displays 945, then it will multiply it by 4. Basic calculators only do one operation at a time. The Windows calculator, when set to Standard mode, will emulate this behaviour.

Now if you do the same thing in a scientific calculator, it will let you type in anything, and will only do the calculation once you hit the equal/enter sign, and then it will process the entire thing in the correct order of operations. You can switch the MS calculator to scientific mode and it will then work like that.

tl:dr; you are a fucking idiot.

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>>58718759
>>58718907
But why?

>>58718771
Underrated post

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>>58718759
Do the same calculation on your pocket calculator, and you'll get the same thing.

can someone tell me why you multiply first
i keep doing it just because im told to

but i never understood why

>>58719754
Because multiplication is stronger than addition so it goes first

>>58719768
that's it?

well alright

>>58719768
that doesn't answer the question though

>>58719754
Just someone decided that's how it's done. No other logical reason.

>>58719754

Because mathematicians don't want to write brackets all over the place

>>58719782
It does. Look up order of operations. If you do any programming, this should be a prerequisite to understand; order of operations was the very second thing I learned on computers, from the C64 user manual back when I was 5 years old.

>>58719803
Not quite.
Exponents and roots are done by doing lots of multiplications or divisions.
Multiplication and division can be done by doing lots of addition and substraction.
Addition and substraction is at the end of the food chain, you do that last.
Brackets are first because they are literally a sign saying (DO THIS SHIT FIRST).

again, a child of age 5 can understand this shit.

>>58719825
He asked for a reason, not how it's done.

I smell the stench of the CIA

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You must have installed the Common Core version

>>58719138
>Firefox

>>58718782
ever hear of order of operations retard
if it was meant as one formula its wrong

>>58719853
>He asked for a reason, not how it's done.

One is the same as the other.

>>58719684
Haters blown the fuck out.

>>58719768
It's only stronger because someone decided that it was to be the case. It's still completely arbitrary.

>>58719735
The pocket calculator does not have brackets.
Are you trying to say your pleb calculator does not understand pemdas?

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>>58718759
I do not see the problem.

>>58720252
see >>58720186

>>58720186
>>58720282
see
>>58719684

Windows calculator in standard mode is a pocket calculator; one operation a time. It does not do PEMDAS because it does everything in the order you type it in.

Windows calculator in scientific mode is a scientific calculator; it can handle full equations and knows which order to execute them in.

>>58720252
Do you went through all that trouble to make a point?
Get out MS shill

inb4
>recording a webm
>trouble
Yes, it's too much work just to prove a point, shill. No one would give a fuck.

Grab a proper desktop calculator with a tape roll and all. Post results.

>>58720328
>someone makes you look like a clueless American-educated retard
>just call him an MS shill

nice argument.

and fyi the biggest "trouble" was that I had to go to the store on the other side of the road to get a new LR54 battery for my old calculator that I haven't used since high school.

>>58718782
No it is NOT. To be functional and correct according to your argumentation, it would have to first calculate 910 + 35, provide that result and then shift into a new line to a new input argument with said result, e.g. 945 * 4, which it doesn't.

But it's not a surprise, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer don't steer MS no more, no wonder it goes to shit.

I see no problem once user error is taken out

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you're doing step by step math

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>>58718782
How about how a real calculator solves it.

>>58718896
nice fake news retard

>>58719153
>lincucks rush to meme on Microsoft instantaneously
nice shitposting though
I like that

>>58718854
TOP KEK

>>58720414
>But it's not a surprise, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer don't steer MS no more, no wonder it goes to shit.

Microsoft has doubled its share prices since Nadella is at the helm; they are at an all time high right now.

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>>58720433

>>58720473
>facts
fuck off REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Microshaft is dead REEEE
Year of the Linux

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>>58718759
Stop being retarded, you have to click the menu button and change it to scientific mode. It will give you the right answer

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shit c++ 10 second script reporting in

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>>58720473
It is a known fact that Microsoft fakes these numbers by making use of alternative maths.
They provide wall street with calculators which let everything seem bigger as it really is, hence the bigger numbers when you look at Microsoft shares nowadays.

>>58720506
>no new line
kys yourself

Oh my god, there's no way that /g/ is this retarded? This is literally more retarded than /v/ and /pol/ guys.

>>58720536
Welcome to Shitpostin/g/, my newfriend.

>>58720502
>>58720502
Yeah of the start menu ad revenue: when it will end !?

>>58720558
the day epic memes die

>>58718782
Not sure if good or bad bait

This entire thread is ironic, right?

There's no way this many people can be this retarded.

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>>58718907
Fucking what

>>58719684
But there's no fucking point
It still gives the wrong answer. All you just said is that normal $2 calculators are shit and windows prefers to simulate shit, instead of scientific calculators
Tldr; it should just start in scientific

>>58719768
"Stronger"
Will addition be defeated? Will his evil clone subtraction finally lend a hand?
Find out, on next week's episode of Math Ball Pi!

>>58720676
In the shadows lurk the division queen already planning to divide the competition.

>>58720427
>>58720452
>>58720503

Everyone is ignoring these because OP is literally an idiot and doesn't know how to use a calculator. OP did this

910+34 = X
X*4=

and he expected this result
910+34*4 = X

>>58720788
kys

>>58720788
This

>>58721001
Then the history is really misleading and the only mistake imho.

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fucking LMAO

>>58718847
This is correct though, faggot.

PEMDAS

>>58720788
FUCK OFF YOU MICROSOFT SHILL

>>58721274
>shills calling shills shills

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Kek

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>>58721336
Lul

>>58718894
kcalc has a shit interface though

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..................... mfw I have no face

>>58721639
CONSISTENCY

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>>58718759
bc reporting in

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HAHAHAHHAHAHA
faulty pemdas implementation exists as early as win7

is this a troll thread and there's something obvious i'm missing or is microcuck literally this retarded?

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Windows calculator is a piece of trash.

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>>58720526
>kill yourself yourself

>>58722188
it's not a faulty implementation. It's non-implementation

>>58718771
I like you

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>>58720662
A normal calculator does things one step at a time

To make it /g/ related, take a Casio watch calculator

Enter 910 + 35

Now press X

It adds 910+35 to prepare for your next equation

>>58721304
sorry, if you say that the fault is in fact the user instead of a Microsoft product, then you are a Microsoft shill. This is a /g/ fact.

>>58722188
>is this a troll thread and there's something obvious i'm missing or is microcuck literally this retarded?

yes, you have it in pocket calculator mode, not scientific calculator mode.

3780 is correct in a pocket calculator.
1050 is correct in a scientific calculator.

see
>>58720252
>>58719684

They actually have one.

Microsoft Mathematics 4.0


https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/download/details.aspx?id=15702

>>58720662
>All you just said is that normal $2 calculators are shit
To think there are people on this board over the age of 18 who couldn't operate a basic calculator.

>>58719768
But everything is addition, anon. Everything.

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>>58718759
Why are you literally lying?

>>58718759
It doesn't do this shit if you switch to scientific or programmer.

>>58718921
>>58718931
>>58718954
You do realize that there are more than 1 types of calculators right?
Standard mode is literally the same as your shitty kitchen calculator that your mum uses to calculate your daily chicken nugger intake. Standard calculators don't do BEDMAS because there is no need for it on a standard calculator.
Only place where you do BEDMAS is math and science so obviously you need a scientific calculator for that.

>>58726004
Not literally lying. Try standard mode.

>>58726166
So you have to switch the calculator to gimped mode for it to act broken? What logic is that?

>>58720506
>he needs a text editor and a compiler to do simple math

SET /A X=910+35*4

>>58722433
wtf are you doing in system32 you moron?

>>58720485
how

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>>58718771
fpbp underrated post

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>microshills literally defending a broken by default calculator

>>58719754
Because that's the agreed-on convention. You can use your own rules where 1+2*3 will be 9 instead of 7, but people will think you're retarded.

It's the equivalent of asking why we call doors "door", and not "horse"? (and vice versa)

>>58726312
That's the default mode.

>>58718759
The standard mode just imitates a standard/dumb calculator. The way you typed the numbers is how many ppl use those big fat-button calculators. Type 4+2*3 into any of those big calculators you might have lying around, you'll get 18 every time dumbass.

>>58718759
>how is parsing done
learn your tools

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>>58718759
Why wouldn't you use RPN? Are you a millennial?

>>58726920
You mean working as intended.
I know the concept of a standard calculator might be too hard for you to understand but you should at least try.

>>58720662
So instead of admitting that you made incorrect assumptions, you are scrounging for a reason to not be wrong. Classy OP.

>>58718787
It does work with the keyboard.

>>58718759
Just run Python in your terminal and poof calculator

if they wrote a decent graphical calculator app then a small number of software/hardware companies would go out of business. LOOKING AT YOU TEXAS INSTRUMENTS.

>>58721095
I don't think you understood the post.

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>>58730337
Many of us don't want a fucking app, we want a calculator with real keys that'll run for months or years on a battery.

>>58730632
>calculator
>battery
dude light lmao

>>58730664
I don't understand, what if you want a reliable device? Something with a serial port? There are still a hundred valid reasons to own a calculator.

Take the HP 50g, it has basically as many built in functions as a full blown CAS on a computer, but it's so much nicer to use.

Switch it to scientific.

>>58730694
>Something with a serial port?
for what reason?

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Windows 10 LTSB master race.

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>>58730744
Serial communications with devices, silly.

>>58730766
I understood that part. for what reason?

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>>58730769
The transfer of data. You know, the usual.

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>using a smartphone app when a real device is so much better
Millennials, when will they ever, ever learn?

>>58730778
for what purpose would you use a physical calculator for that? seems like some hipstershit "because it's old and cool"

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>>58730820
>have devices that support serial communications
>work in the field and need device that will run for weeks or months on a battery
>have IEEE-488 gear like many adults who do real work do
>are in land survey
>are an airline pilot and need reliable computer
>FAA or other agency approved software is available
>ease of programming even for non-programmers
Just because you're a millennial toddler who never had a real job, don't project this on others anon.

>furious typing heard over the internet

>>58730885
>haha hey mom I called someone a "millennial" on 4chan!!!!!! I'm so grown up now!

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>millennials don't understand what a serial port is for
wew

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HEY MOOOOMMMMMMMM

THE ADULTS ARE USING DEVICES THAT HAVE MORE THAN A ONE DAY BATTERY LIFE TO DO REAL WORK AGAIN

WAAHHHHHHH

>>58718771
>>58719725
>>58723585
>>58726884
Liberals do better on Reddit.

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>this confuses and offends the millennial

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Bumping with RPN meme.

>chink shit general and wintoddlers would rather hawk their wares in the generals than criticize MS
who knew?

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:^)

>>58731233
Wow somebody knows order of operations.

>>58728945
Show me a standard calculator having input of "910 + 35 * 4 +" and having THAT output . Whats the point of "one operation at the time" if it writes everything?

>>58720473
did they get that using their calculator?

>>58728618
Calculators that basic didn't work like that.
There you had memory to store 2-3 numbers and you used those when you needed multiplication.
And you expected them to work this way because you wrote one thing, pressed the operation and then the next number. The screen didn't display the operations as you wrote them.

A software calculator however has much more memory available.
You can take the input and parse it to the calculator for each operation.
If you assume that unfinished sentences is 0 for addition and 1 for multiplication, you can return the result as people type.
How Microsoft didn't manage to make a calculator that did that is beyond what most people can comprehend.
And when you use it, you see that it uses double precision floating points to calculate these things, so they did do the minimal work, they just did it incorrectly

>>58730817
>real device is so much better
What are you calculating, 2+2*2?

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>>58731513
It's lame but infix calcs are lame.

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>>58731675
>not liking actual keys
>enjoying notifications and other distractions popping up during calculations
>using an app when a real device is more well suited
Just millennial things...

ITT: Retards who don't understand that that windows standard calculator only shows the inputs you have entered into the basic calculator for reference. It doesn't do BEDMAS for you.
If you're too retarded to enter your own order operations, it's not the calculator's fault.

>>58731939
I see 2+2*2 having an answer 8, I think it's a mistake.
I see 2+2=4, 4*2=8, no mistake. If you do it step by step, make output step by step.

>>58718759
Turn on the scientific/engineer mode, by default it works as a dumbest calculator

>>58731984
You do know that standard calculators can do 1 (one) operation at a time right?

>>58731992
You do know that when you try to replicate that in software, you should replicate input and output correctly, too, right?

>>58732002
>replicate in software
>Input and output correctly
It does replicate the input and output correctly.
Type it in a standard calculator exactly in the same order and you'll get the same result.

>>58731675
>2+2*2
2
Enter
Enter
*
+

>>58732026
>It does replicate the input and output correctly.
>OP's pic
No, it doesn't, it's literally stupid UI, not wrong calculation. I see 910+35x4 on OP's pic, not 945x4, that's the problem.

>>58731992
Yea, and it does that one calculation at a time.

Algebraic calculators and every god damn smartphone or computer calculator will however respect the common ordering in mathematical functions. Or it's explicitly a RPN or whatever calculator.

You don't just silently break hundred years old convention in a widespread product without being called a faggot.

>>58732048
>no it doesn't
Type the same in a standard calculator and see what happens.

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>>58718887
I tried this and mind is blown.
Why does this work totally opposite of the 910+35*9 examples

>>58732061
On a dumb calculator?
"910 + 35 *" at this point it's showing 945

That's what happens.

If it's a calculator that lets you enter
"910+35*4+" it's gonna show you 1050 when you hit enter. Or missing last argument.

There is no excuse for doing stupid shit like this.

>>58732061
You do realise, I will see 4 first, 8 after that, right? If I will type 2+2*2+0 into calc and hit enter I will see a full 2+2*2 as my input.

>>58732084
>if it's a calculator that lets you enter 910+35*4
That's not a standard calculator

Did you consider rephrasing your equation to 35*4+910?

>>58732099
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.roamingsquirrel.android.standard_calculator

Try it. It's even named exactly "standard calculator".

Shit, search engines get this right. Just not Windows, apparently.

>>58732101
We know it should change nothing. But in retarded software product it changes the result.
>>58732176
Being able to know the commutative property of summation is "scientific", okay.

>>58732101
Without a fucking equals sign it's not a damn equation you child. It's called a statement.

Holy shit what do they teach kids these days?

>>58732510
>what do they teach kids
Common Core.

>>58732217
> Being able to know the commutative property of summation is "scientific", okay.
Scientific notation is for using powers of ten. 1.5*10^40.

This is just grade school algebra (I don't demand that the OS calculator can handle set theory and everything).

No matter what, on a piece of computer software you simply have no reason to fail at this. It takes only a few lines of code to do this right with a stack. Microsoft sucks absolute balls.

>>58732217
>We know it should change nothing. But in retarded software product it changes the result.
Because it acts like a standard calculator.

You have to remember that Windows is strongly aimed at businesses and secretaries were going from using standard calculators to using Windows calculator. If they didn't emulate the behavior of a standard calculator then people would have gotten unexpected (incorrect even) results.

The only problem here is that millenials don't understand the concept of a standard calculator anymore. You could give them one for use in a math exam and they would fuck up all the answers.

>>58732653
It does not.

Dumb old calculators (standard in school are arithmetic ones unless you're in a 3rd world hellhole) only show one number.

Every time you hit an operator it performs that one immediately and you have the resulting number.

This doesn't do that. It shows the full statement. Pretending this is supposed to act like a dumb calculator in some twisted way is just wrong.

Is the idea that this OS is just for people who dropped out of grade school before they got to arithmetic expressions or what?
With bonus consolation that "business" probably does that too? (It doesn't. Not if you trade stocks, not if you trade items, not if you do accounting. If a full expression is written like this, they parse it like everyone else.)

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>>58718759
Mostly Linux user here.
Switch modes retards.

>>58719754
For thousands of years people used to do math in their own ways. There were no commonly agreed rules and therefor it was really hard for mathematicians to discuss their theorems with each other, especially if they were from other countries. A standardised system was invented which is based on low level rules e.g. order of operations and basic axioms. This allows you to write math in a universal way and devise very complex theorems that can actually be proven to be correct.

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>>58732653
>Windows is strongly aimed
I realised this problem too late.
>If they didn't emulate the behavior of a standard calculator then people would have gotten unexpected (incorrect even) results.
Any literate person would be confused on seeing "x+y*z+" statemement with some result that shouldn't be that large. I still consider typing it whole is a UI mistake.
>millenials don't understand the concept of a standard calculator anymore
Your millenials suck.

>>58731911
>>58731872
>>58731084
>>58730996
>>58730972
>>58730817
>>58730885
>>58730778
>>58730766
You seem to be having fun, so how did this work?
Either the serial ports worked for raw data input, or did you pass them strings to interpret?
I take it you could load custom software onto them, right? What sorta stuff could they run?

>>58732749
Each different model is programmed slightly differently and has different features, though the programming models are nearly the same excepting the HP-48 series which uses a FORTH-like language called RPL.

It's really too complicated to get into here, but there are many thousands of commercial and free software packages that were written for these machines over the last 49 years.

These calculators (most of the programmable ones anyway) are all actually more like computers.

As far as me, I use my HP-48 for interfacing with a GPS, as well as a serial console for hooking up to servers and embedded devices.

http://www.hpmuseum.org

>>58732716
Then sometime in the last 15 years they changed the rules of order of operations in order to make it easier for niggers to do math. Many such cases. Sad!

>>58718782
lol

>>58732749
Sorry I should add, it's been possible to wake up your HP calculator with an alarm (specific models with a clock only obviously) and have it collect some data and then shut itself off again automatically, this is important in some applications so you can take (for example) a month's data but only intermittently, if you're say recording data from a weather station and only need a few samples per day. Also it saves the battery.

>>58728945
>a standard calculator
As a calculator enthusiast I can tell you with authority that there's no such thing as a 'standard' calculator even if you're just talking about infix four-bangers.

>>58732800
>These calculators (most of the programmable ones anyway) are all actually more like computers.
I was thinking it'd be like this. I'm curious about human input and output though.
Did you just read what was on the screen, and input to the program with the keypad?

>>58732800
>as well as a serial console for hooking up to servers and embedded devices.
Now that's nice. A tiny little pocket serial terminal.
>>58732861
Now that's very nice. I'm looking at the wiki page, is this all stored on non volatile memory? All I can see is rom and ram.
Or, on a calculator, is RAM as good as anything else?

>>58732707
>not using RPN
baby

>>58732701
But if you actually use the Standard calculator on Windows you will see that whenever you hit an operator it will do the calculation.

The line above it is just acting as a history, that's your problem.

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>>58732911
>I'm curious about human input and output though.
These calcs have alphanumeric input, and the 48 series has full blown menus, graphics, etc.
>Did you just read what was on the screen, and input to the program with the keypad?
No you can get the samples right from the serial port and (after parsing) put them into a matrix or other data structure if you wish without human interaction. Or you could display them and then copy them to a register or variable if you wanted, manually. For data collection fully automated is the way to go though.

For writing programs, you can do it on the calc or use one of many PC packages that were written over the years to assist software development.

>>58732936
>Now that's nice. A tiny little pocket serial terminal.
Yep and it does all kinds of other stuff too. The HP-48 is one of the finest universal remotes you can buy thanks to its IR capabilities.

>is this all stored on non volatile memory? All I can see is rom and ram.
Or, on a calculator, is RAM as good as anything else?
Depending on the device, you have onboard RAM / ROM, an SD card, internal storage expansion cards (older 48-specific ones), hard drives, flash drives, floppy drives, tape drives, paper tape, printer output...

These are full blown personal computers in a pocket calculator form factor.

There's nothing like these bad boys for sale on the new market. Everything's either huge and not a calculator and the battery life sucks, or it's a calculator but lacks any kind of useful expansion and the battery life sucks.

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Just relax and let the HP calculator do its thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mO_UyefM3Q

>>58719149
Bending facts until Cortana is pleased

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You'll enjoy it anons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yum09JuNNyc

ITT: retards who don't know the difference between a scientific and a pocket calculator

>>58733070
Thank you very much, this is all fantastic info.
Dare I ask, did people not think of calling these computers? Or where calculator and computer synonymous enough that it's only my post 90's brain that's causing this confusion?
Either way, I wanna get my hands on one of these.

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>Standard Calculator mode behaves exactly like a standard calculator you used in Elementary.
>Works exactly as designed to.
How the fuck did you guys even manage to open your browser, much less browse to 4chan and post? Did your mother help you guys?

>>58733079
I was reading about the modules, but seeing them click in like that, the sounds those cables make when you plug them in, all this is just so perfectly minicomputer-esque, but rather than the minicomputer being the size of a filing cabinet, with desk size accessories, the computer is beyond tiny with the accessories the same size.
I'm surprised /g/ doesn't have more calculator threads, these things are all the best parts of retrocomputing combined.
Oh, thank you anon for showing me all this!

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>>58733114
>Thank you very much, this is all fantastic info.
>Dare I ask, did people not think of calling these computers? Or where calculator and computer synonymous enough that it's only my post 90's brain that's causing this confusion?
Way back in the olden days (1970's onward) the user group for HP calcs was called PPC which stands for Pocket Portable Computer IIRC
>Either way, I wanna get my hands on one of these.
Go to the hpmuseum.org forums and read, there is a huge wealth of information there. As a starter rig, I do recommend the HP-50g, it's relatively modern, software installation is easy (copy to SD card, insert, install), and it has literally everything you'd need in a CAS, even including arbitrary-length integer calculations (up to device memory obviously). The rumor is they will discontinue it soon, as they have a new product (the Prime) they're pushing now that has a color screen and all that garbage for kids. It's harder to program by far too, uses a shitty Pascal derivative. It's mainly focused on schools and exams, has a special exam mode and shit.

>>58733172
>all this is just so perfectly minicomputer-esque
The first scientific pocket calculator was designed at HP at the request of the owners, so they could have a useful tool and not be tied to a desk. They sold them within the company at first, but people's friends started seeing them and asking about them and the rest was history. Each machine was designed very carefully, and the stories of the R&D for each unit are collected in the HP Journals, one of HP's internal company magazines.

>Oh, thank you anon for showing me all this!
My pleasure, this is a great hobby and useful too! The vintage calcs are getting pricey though!

>>58718822

It has nothing to do with PEMDAS, the calculator in that standard mode does not allow multiple equations at once.

When he entered 910 + 35 it automatically gave an "equals 945", which he then told to multiply by 4. It didn't do the equation in order, it did 2 entirely separate equations.

If he swaps the mode to scientific, it will allow him to enter the entire equation at once and solve.

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Sorry, PPC was the French user group, HPC (handheld portable computer?) was the English one. They collaborated though of course. The PPC published a ROM for programmers and power users which is still highly sought after.

There is also an upgrade to the HP-41 which puts a new, FPGA-based but completely compatible mainboard into the same calc, using the same screen and keys and retaining port compatibility, that comes will ALL the ROMs ever collected (400+ onboard), many thousands of times the storage of the originals, and runs at an adjustable speed from original to 50x speed. It's expensive but I plan on getting it as soon as I get another HP-41.

It's about $400 installed I think, but what the fuck it's only money.

>>58732874

Well you're wrong. Go grab a dollar store calculator (ie, not a scientific calculator) and try and input OPs equation.

It will do exactly what his windows calculator did. You'll enter 910 + 35 then when you hit * it will auto solve the last 910 + 35 equation into 945 then assume you're asking for 945 * 4.

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>millennials don't know that HP made a 128-bit programmer's calculator in the 1980s
>this was the first and is still one of the only 128-bit computers ever made
Oh dearie sweetie pies...

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Sorry I showed its brother the 15c above, the 16c is the 128-bit programmer's calc.

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And if you ever forget how your vintage 10C-series calculator works, just turn it over and read the handy dandy hieroglyphic instructions!

>>58733352
>HP-50g
Looks nice, I'll see if I can pick one up
>The vintage calcs are getting pricey though!
Shame, I'd almost think because of how many of them would be around they wouldn't cost all that much, but with how useful they are I'm not surprised.
>There is also an upgrade to the HP-41 which puts a new, FPGA-based but completely compatible mainboard into the same calc, using the same screen and keys and retaining port compatibility, that comes will ALL the ROMs ever collected (400+ onboard), many thousands of times the storage of the originals, and runs at an adjustable speed from original to 50x speed. It's expensive but I plan on getting it as soon as I get another HP-41.
Why on earth are we even using smartphones and complaining about UMPCs, when something like this is infinity more useful?
This is just crazy.

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meanwhile it just werks

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>>58733479
>Looks nice, I'll see if I can pick one up
A bit of advice, it comes with algebraic mode enabled by default. Switch that baby to RPN and never look back.

>Shame, I'd almost think because of how many of them would be around they wouldn't cost all that much, but with how useful they are I'm not surprised.
Rare hardware such as the video display adapter for the HP-IL expansion bus can reach a thousand bucks easy. It's cool though because you can hook your calculator to a TV!

>Why on earth are we even using smartphones and complaining about UMPCs, when something like this is infinity more useful?
This is just crazy.
HP also tried to remedy this problem even more in the 1990s with the LX series palmtops, which were fully IBM PC / EGA compatible, MS-DOS in ROM, 80186-powered pocket computers the size of a checkbook. I also collect those ;3 and I use one daily, it stores my passwords and has a shit ton of useful MS-DOS software and many games on it in the CF to PCMCIA adapter in the bay there. Of course every LX comes with a very fancy and useful unique RPN calculator which I have copied onto my computer and use in the DOSBOX but don't tell HP or they might get mad!

What happened was we moved tech R&D to chinkland. This sort of thing will become popular again once more stuff is made over here in the near future, I have a top secret plan.

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>>58718759
Kek

>>58724087
I think your problem is that you're overestimating their ages.

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>>58720433
I thought you said a real calculator.

>>58733719
Yay another RPN fan!

You have any more RPN machines?

>>58731513
>Show me a standard calculator having input of "910 + 35 * 4 +" and having THAT output .

already posted
>>58720252

>>58733533
>What happened was we moved tech R&D to chinkland.
You have a good point there. Despite so much hardware still being "Designed in America" the real R&D is all done by the chinks, the guys in the US just get a big list of new parts they can use, they're not actually the ones researching and designing the fundamentals.
I've never thought of how much of an effect this has on the whole design process, but no wonder, compared to how things used to be made.

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>>58733752
You're dealing with a particularly acute case of autism here, apparently the term "standard calculator" now has a legal definition on this board.

Somebody's going to get triggered.

>>58733763
There has been a definition for that decades before 4chan.

standard calculator = the 1 dollar casios
your calculator = scientific calculator

>>58733731
I've also got a 12C. Next I'm going to pick up a Swiss Micros DM16L

>>58733719
With RPN isn't it completely unambiguous though?
The calculator isn't changing the order of operations, ever? It's just applying the operator to the two operands closest to the end, right?
I'm just learning this stuff now, forgive my ignorance.

>>58733782
>There has been a definition for that decades before 4chan.
You mean infix four-bangers as we call them in the calculator hobby. It all depends on who you ask, too. If you ask your mom she'll agree that the infix four-banger is the standard. If you talk to somebody in finance, computer engineering, or for example land survey, they will say that the HP-12C, HP-16C, and HP-48 calculators are standard.

We have an entire magical language, anon, let's use it properly and not assume too much about conventions.

>>58718759
note that the standard calc evaluates expressions from the right side, while the scientific one uses operator priority. wtf

>>58733810
Yeah, when you enter an operand it just runs it on stacks X and Y. It wasn't to demonstrate any order of ops, just to make fun of anon's calculator

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>>58733761
>I've never thought of how much of an effect this has on the whole design process, but no wonder, compared to how things used to be made.
Take the HP-50g as a perfect example. It embodied a system going back to the HP-28 of the 1980s (RPL-based model), and HP moved from their calculator design all being done in Corvallis, OR, to using an Asian small-electronics firm called Kinpo for the hardware, while retaining the in-house software team. Kinpo didn't support HP's special Saturn calculator chip eventually, or it couldn't be made cheaply enough (it used silicon on sapphire so it was quite expensive tech) to compete, so they switched to ARM and wrote an emulator to host the OS and therefore incredible amount of software that had been written for the machines. It was a good effort and the new calculators are about 3-4x faster in the emulation layer, but the actual hardware design was criticized as not having the same quality. Key labels are printed on, instead of being inset with double-shot plastic molding technology (label can never wear off even if key is scraped with razor) and they moved the fucking Enter key from above the keypad to the bottom right so normies wouldn't be so scared of it.

It's nice hardware inside though (you can program the ARM chip in assembly right from the RPL environment on the calc if you wish for a speedup of 1000x or way more), and the machine is durable and has a nice display. Still it was obviously designed in Asia, and meant to be as profitable as possible without having low overall quality.

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>>58733788
I have two SwissMicros, the DM-41 and the DM-41L. The small ones are not as nice to use (metal dome buttons make your thumbs hurt) but it's so nice to have a real proper calc in a credit card format.

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Why no cool calculator watches any more either? I don't know of a single other one that could do running time calculations.

Too bad I don't have a spare couple thousand bucks for a nice used HP-01.

>>58733752
>910
>35
>945
>3780
I said input of "910+35*4", as it can be seen in OP pic, as it can be seen on "scientific" calculators.

>>58732701
>This doesn't do that. It shows the full statement. Pretending this is supposed to act like a dumb calculator in some twisted way is just wrong.
>>58733058
>The line above it is just acting as a history, that's your problem.
It is a problem, it's misleading. Just like you read a whole word, you look at a statement as a whole. And you see an obvious flaw.

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Fun fact: Woz worked on calculators at HP before he worked at Apple. As per his contract, he showed the Apple I to HP's management and they rejected his design, freeing him to found Apple. What's not widely known outside the calculator community, though, is that it was probable that HP saw their calculators as the normie computer, they even had the ability to hook up to a TV and everything, and this was likely the reason why. They didn't want Woz's box competing with theirs. The HP-71b was actually faster than an Apple II, could access more storage and memory (for a time) and came with BASIC and FORTH was available. It was also software-compatible with the HP-41 and thus HP-67 series as well. I fucking want one. There are modern enhancements available to the hardware which give it more storage and allow mods to the OS as well, developed by hobbyists of course.

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Put that in your pipes and smoke it - a machine that smokes an Apple II the size of a checkbook.

>>58734079
6502's still present in a ton of shit. There's a good chance that your mouse not only contains pretty much the same CPU as an Apple II but also runs at a much higher clock

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>>58734111
This makes the fact that HP was selling a checkbook-sized portable computer with similar capabilities to the Apple II, at the same time, for less money, completely unimpressive anon. Thanks for the valuable input.

>>58718787
Try turn numlock on you retard.

>>58718759
>propriatary softwarez
What did you expect?

>>58734350
I expect quality from people who get paid to get shit done.

>>58734079
I can't believe this thing was made back in 1984, but I guess most original microprocessors where made with calculators in mind so it's not a big surprise.
Looks like the calcs are just smaller home computers with built in terminals.

>>58734452
Love > $$$

>>58734111
>>58734181
Now I wanna see if I can try and build a microcomputer from 6502's scavanged from mice or other things.
I think in mice the 6502 would be so far down in a general purpose mouse chip that it'd be beyond hard to get any useful pins from it.

>>58719138
Eh Kevin ol' bud. I see you've had a sex change and go by the name Shannon now.

>>58718771
its how a computer does it, ltr

>>58734465
Yeah we used to make cool stuff. We can again, it'll make the last 15-20 years seem like a big waste of time actually. I am confident that the era of chinkshit is coming to a close.

Most calculators were never real pocket computers of course, sadly. HP was the real big exception. TI and Casio both have fanbases but nothing like HP has.

>>58734482
>Now I wanna see if I can try and build a microcomputer from 6502's scavanged from mice or other things.
>I think in mice the 6502 would be so far down in a general purpose mouse chip that it'd be beyond hard to get any useful pins from it.
Yeah it's probably part of a SOC or SOM these days and the size of a grain of sand too. You might like the Propellor BASIC Stamp, it has FORTH. It would be a suitable device for making a kick ass DIY RPN calculator.

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>>58719754
Square root
Exponentiation
Division
Multiplication
Addiction / Subtraction (not sure what order)

>i belive the math order is like this...

>>58718759
Have you never used a regular pocket calculator?

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>>58720252
That shows, you know shit about math, or the math teachers teach you wrong. Better get to school again my friend.

The correct method.
>35 * 4 = 140
>910 + 140 = 1050
>-------------------------
The wrong method.
>910 + 35 = 945
>945 * 4 = 3780
>-------------------------
look the order >>58736845

i am a disaster in math, but that shit is basic dude, get your shit together.

my god this thread is still up.

well, it gave me an incentive to get a new battery to my 20 year old pocket calculator, so I guess it was worth something.

>>58736872
yes,i had five of then. One like the casio that anon displayed in the video, the rest was chink PC's.

If you were in programming stuff, you need to get this shit right.

>>58736937
>That shows, you know shit about math, or the math teachers teach you wrong. Better get to school again my friend.

but OP first used 910+35 and then did 945 * 4 as well. I was doing the exact same thing OP did. Perhaps OP is doing something wrong, hmm?

More proof Windows is cancer.

Never10.

Have people never used a basic calculator before?

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Neo-/g/ is so Neo they don't even remember pocket calculators and that they do exactly what the POCKET CALCULATOR ON WINDOWS IS DOING.

>>58731073
>Assuning political standing based off justified roasting on a mongolian tapestry board

>>58719149
>If you want a calculator to be a calculator use scientific mode

This succintly proves how English and Mathematics in this country is so fucked. BRAVO

>>58718759
take that extra second to put the numbers in parentheses, computers are stupid

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/thread

>>58739357
>that tiny fucking font

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>>58719153
>Make calculator for Pajeet
>Make it bright white
hope it's wipe clean

>>58720506
But anon
>1050[invader@fedora ~]$
isn't the right answer
>1050
is the right answer

>>58718759
That's a history of things you typed in, not a fucking equation

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>Calculator made by pajeets
>Expect it to be working
LMAO

>>58739357
>have the ability to make "sophisticated" chain input calculator
>better add this retarded shit too so asians can do their manual labor-tier calculations
thx microsoft

>>58740438
>made for linux
>can't even spell "C"alculator

>>58740438
>Linux developer
>Can't even spell Calculator correctly.