/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Kaby Lake has been released! Skylake is depreciated if corresponding chips are similarly priced (e.g., i5 7600K vs i5 6600K)!
>Some motherboards will have a one-click, 5GHz on air OC button that works for 80% of i5 7600Ks
>100 series chipsets (Z170, B150, ect) don't work out of the box with Kaby Lake
>Z series chipsets have an "Enhanced Turbo", which allows all cores to run at the highest single core boost clockspeed (works for Skylake CPUs as well)
>Pentiums now have hyperthreading, and are thus the new default budget / entry level gaming CPUs
>Pentium G4560 is the best price / perf four thread CPU on a modern platform
>All Kaby Lake CPUs work natively with 2400MHz DDR4 memory
>Do not underestimate the impact of fast (>2400, e.g, 3000MHz) RAM in conjunction with a Z series chipset, which often provides as much of a performance boost as a CPU overclock

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/JyWTtJ


>Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor
>CRYORIG C7 40.5 CFM CPU Cooler
>MSI Z270I GAMING PRO CARBON AC Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard
>Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
>Crucial MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive
>Hitachi Deskstar NAS 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
>Asus GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card
>Silverstone FTZ01B Mini ITX Desktop Case
>Silverstone 500W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply
>Noctua NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan x 3

What did I fuck up? About to pull the trigger on this.

>>58673806
>Skylake deprecated
Give me one reason to buy an i3 7350K and a Z270 board instead of an i3 6100 and a Z170 board for $150 less.

>>58673844
None, but there's plenty of reason to buy a G4560. The i3 7100 is better too because it's clocked higher and it can be paired with 2400MHz RAM on a cheap board.

>>58673829
Looks fine for what it is

Hey, I was actually thinking of making a good build and I was wondering if you all would approve of these parts before ordering them.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rr2GVY

>>58673895
>gaymur leds
Consider Kaby Lake
Get 3000MHz RAM
Drop to 1070 and get a 1440p monitor

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cbrBxY

How'd I do? This came together over the course of a couple months. Prices listed are what I payed at the time of purchase.
Upgraded from:
Fx8350 -> 6600k (sold the 8350 and ddr3 to a friend when the motherboard died on me)
Gtx 960 -> Rx 480 (sold the 960 on craigslist for a decent amount)
Corsair 500r -> Nzxt s340 for size, noise, and window reasons.

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My PC has been instantly shutting off while playing graphically intensive games recently. The games that triggered the failure were Far Cry: Primal and For Honor, both Ubisoft games.

I've already run memtest and HWMonitor. RAM is fine, PSU seems to output 12V and 5V.

I'm about to stress test the system with 3DMark. If that triggers the failure I'm going to remove the wifi card and switch PCIe slots and 8-pin connectors.

Any suggestions for diagnostic testing?

>>58673957
Man, what is so special about Kaby Lake, it seems a bit just like skylake with a different name

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>>58674001
Also there have been some graphical artifacts like pic related (some circular and expanding/contraction).

I was monitoring CPU temps with Afterburner/Riva Tuner Statistics, and I noticed that when the GPU hit about 78C at 100% usage, the usage went to 0% before shooting back up to 100% several times.

I should also note that I've RAM'd two components, the SSD and the mobo, and received replacements. The mobo lost ethernet and a couple of SATA ports after a HDD died.

The SSD was RMA'd because it caused a power failure during boot if it was connected... if I remember correctly. That issue happened over a year ago.

I'm wondering if the PSU is the root of all this evil.

>>58674037
Higher clock speeds at the same or only marginally higher prices. I5 6500 and 7500 are the exact same price on newegg right now but it's 200mhz high base and turbo clock. Free performance, what's not to like? Sure it's a disappointing release, but it IS strictly superior unless the pricing in your region is fucky.

>>58674037
Better overclocking

>>58673957
And with the 1080, I just want to outdo my friend like the one-upsman I am.

>>58674069
Sounds like your graphics card might be fucked in some way. Is it overclocked? Sounds like an unstable OC.

>>58674092
The better way to do that is with a 1440p monitor.. 1080 at 1080p is silly. I'd just laugh at you

>>58674100
I used to have an OC, but Wattman is so unstable I decided not to bother for the time being. It/Radeon Settings crashes constantly even without any OC

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there's no way this is right, its a fucking pentium

>>58673800
I'm building a two person fight stick
I want to throw a PC inside for mame
Am I better off going for a RPi3 or building something?
The biggest factors are size, weight and cost
Outside of mame I don't plan to have anything else running

>>58674248
>i5 6500 - $1,348

>>58674069
Update: Ran the DX11 and 12 3DMark Benches, no failure. I was monitoring the GPU temps with AB/Riva, and they never got over 71C. The previous failures were all around 78C-79C.

>>58674289
ignore that crap its cpuboss.com shit
can get the pentium for sub 100 and the i5 for about 295

>>58673844
Both options are stupidly overpriced, i3 has no place on the market. If your budget is that tight, you either go for AMD or a G4560 like >>58673872 mentioned.

If a case says it'll only fit my vid card without bracket and will block a drive slot if I stuff one in there, how concerned should I be if it has 4 drive slots and I'm only getting 2 hard drives?

>>58674344
>you either go for AMD or
Do not go AMD. Ever.

I own an 8350, but would not purchase it in the current year.

>>58674394
Your 8350 performs better than a 7350k.
Except, of course, for those increasingly rare cases that strictly need a single very fast core.

The 6670's the best GPU you can crossfire with an A8-6500B, right? I just bought a 2GB XFX model for $30

>>58674404
A lot of games are limited to four cores though. Quite curious to see if two very strong cores with hyper threading beat out 4 physical weak cores.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/WPsrtJ

Need something cheap and quick to hold me off for another 2-3 years before I build a real beast with my new job. Just using it for 1080p gaming.

>>58674842
SSD is shit, rest is ok and good for 3 years.

>>58674852

ahh should I just nut up and get the samsung?

>>58674858
Either that or buy a PNY CS 1311, SanDisk Ultra II or ADATA SU800.

No budget limitations on my current PC

i5-4670k
Gigabyte mx-gaming-5
XFX Fury XD
EVGA DDR3-1866 16gb
Cryorig C1 CPU cooler
AX860 PSU
Supermicro s5 case (grey/black)
6 case fans (CM sickle)

Acc:
Asus MG279Q
Mionix Castor
Ducky Zero
Corsair MM600
Sennheiser HD650
Micca Origen+ DAC

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>>58674865

ok thank you my friend

>>58674592
Long story short, they generally don't. I saw the same back when I had to go from a Core 2 Quad to a higher clocked i3, which performed worse than the C2Q in multithreaded applications.
I'm not sure if there are any proper benchmarks of the 7350k vs 8320 comparing them both overclocked, but jayztwocents *was* making a video about this particular subject. Unfortunately he fried his 8320 like a retard, but in a video talking about why he didn't get to make the proper comparison video he briefly went over how the results of the benchmarks he did get to do came out in favor of the 8320. He also mentioned intending to redo it with a new 8320 sometime, hopefully he doesn't kill it this time.

That's not to say that an 8320 or 8350 is a particularly smart purchase in the current year, though. AM3+ is an aging platform and we have Ryzen coming up. I wouldn't consider buying one myself either, but I'd recommend going with AM3+ long before I'd recommend any i3. Intel isn't worthwhile unless you go for the really cheap G4560 or at the very least an i5.

t. 4690k owner

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>>58674893
We have beeen verry happi to helping you, freend.
Plees reeat tech support 5 starts!

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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Ztfgqk
ITX build, already have an SSD/HDDs.
Unsure about:
1) Case, if I wanna go with the Nano or something else like Phantek EVOLV. Nano seems easier to build in and manage so I'm leaning more towards that.
2) Mobo, I was looking at the Gigabyte Z170N-WIFI but apparently it's shit for OCing, and the Z170N-Gaming which has a Killer adapter I've heard bad things about.
3) PSU, last Corsair I had was loud as fuck all the time and suffered from coil whine under load but I've read that's just luck of the draw.
4) ITX card, is there any real difference?

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/g/, I have been ignorant towards knowledge on gaming rigs and how to build them properly so now, I have to build a gaming rig for myself and I'm lost.
I have a vague idea of the GPU that I wish to use but so far it's only based on information I've gathered on different sites, youtube builds and pcpartpicker shit.

So my current budget lies at around 700yuropoors(740bucks) and the only part that I'm 70% sure I want is the nvidia 1060 (the other 30% lies with the amd rx460, heard something about an 8gb version that's currently better priced than the 1060)
As for the processor, most people seem to recommend i5's but I don't know which, haswell, skylake, the new kaby lake? which one. I never OC'd so I see no reason to spend more money for the k version.

I'm autistic when it comes to mobo's so I don't really know which one.

I know that I have to add the power consumption total from all pieces in the rig and get a PSU that can take all of that.

I see that most people go with the 1TB Seagate Barracuda for the hdd.

And I gotta have an ssd of at least 128 gigs.

I can handle the ram.

Any ideas of a decent build around 700 yuropoors? (740bucks)

Should I go for AMD or stay Intel? Why?

Thanks and go fuck yourselves.

>>58674248
What exactly are you amazed at?

>>58674842

hey I need something like this too

how well would a system like this run GTA V at 1920x1080?

>>58675196
Forgot to mention that I'm looking for an 1080p build, don't need anything higher and most probably couldn't afford that either.
As long as it can play most games and is vr compatible which should be with the 1060 gpu.

>>58675217

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sgjm2RI29w

pretty well - but remember that GTA V is now 3-4 years old

>>58675216
pentiums have always been the little kid after the P4 died

>>58675196

what country r ya from exactly

UK?

>>58675314
Romania actually.

>>58675314
>>58675322

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/s6wfD8

>>58675337
Thanks dude. I'll look into it and inform myself on these parts.

>>58675399

np - that's just a rough idea but you'll be able to run modern games on ultra at 60fps with that

>>58675433
I'll have to change some things because the price is way too high, it's 300 euros over my budget. I gotta lose some shit and take the power down while maintaining the performance at 1080 60fps.

>>58675433
at 1080p

>>58675463
i'd get a cheaper ssd and hdd maybe an even cheaper case

>>58675464

yeah that's what he said originally

>>58675463
By power I mean the graphical power in-game, don't need ultra settings since it's a budget build, mid-to-high settings will do for me.

>>58675337
>>58675433
>>58675479
top kek, changed the location from UK to US and the price changed since apparently the site can't into market values of the pound / dollar.

>>58675485

yeah I'd go with an AMD card to save some $$$

>>58675463
i'd consider getting a DDR3 system with Haswell Refresh which would bring the price of the mobo, CPU and RAM down significantly while maintaining your performance goals. anons might argue it's not "future proof" but i would argue you're looking to get the best out of your money right now, not upgradeability.

>>58675518
You would be correct on that matter but wouldn't it bottleneck the 1060?

>>58675567

speaking of which is this >>58674842 bottlenecking?

>>58675575

not at all

don't think you'll need the second stick of ram though - but having the second won't do any harm if you already have it

>>58675567
no. 1060 is hardly the most powerful card out there and the performance difference between Haswell refresh and Skylake or even Babby Lake is negligible.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/cx833F

i've come up with this as a good starting point for anyone looking to 1080p@60 on a budget.

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>>58675600

>change to Australian site
>only the GPU exists
>mfw

>>58675614
yeah you're gonna have to search for the same or similar products manually, ausbro. the non-K CPU is cheaper but might be harder to find. godspeed.

>>58675597
you need to look up dual channel memory.

>>58675636

so you're saying the second stick will do some harm?

>>58673800
>Size: 'micro' > 'mini'

I don't get it.

Does the CM Seidon 240V have any problems? Is it a good idea to use it with an i7 6700k?

>>58675600
Thanks.
Any specific reason to pick the rx480 over the 1060gtx? Just because it's a 40-50 bucks difference or is there any other reason?

>>58675597

I actually had that ram given as bonus. They're two separate sticks of 8gb, so I hope it's okay to use them both together. Or should I just use the one?

32 GB or 16 GB? I photoshop a lot.

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>>58675648
no. i'm saying you can only utilise dual channel memory with a second stick of RAM. which is why having 2 sticks is almost always better than just one.

>>58675698
see pic. also, Nvidia seems to enjoy putting out proprietary technologies (GameWorks, CUDA, GSync etc etc) in contrast to AMD mostly supporting open standards. it's pretty much a question of social responsibility but I simply wouldn't give Nvidia any more money after all the shit they've pulled in the past. i might be biased but the choice is still yours.

>>58673800
Hey guys, I have a problem with my (first) build.
Parts arrived a couple weeks ago, I assembled it, turned it on and it ran for about 10 seconds before entering a boot loop. I disassembled the whole thing, and even with just the motherboard and the psu, the system bootlooped every time. Now here's the real kicker: i sent the parts back to get tested, and all the parts worked normally, the system booted and posted like normal and benchmarks wdre accurate. What did I do wrong? pls help

>>58675759

2

see >>58675780

>>58675698
I'm not that guy but the 480 started notably behind the 1060 and in the short time since release has closed the gap completely with driver updates, while the 1060 has barely improved.

>>58675780
Well I have no "brand loyalty" of any kind, my dad seems to be pretty biased only going for nvidia stuff and most of my friends seem to prefer nvidia as well. So I only care about performance.

>>58675798
I've read that many times in comparison reviews between the 1060gtx and the rx480, so the rx sounds pretty good to me but I'm afraid of the heating problems everyone keeps talking about with the amd cpu and gpu's. Is that a thing? Should I take that into consideration?

>>58675842
the RX series (Polaris) is a completely new architecture which has solved the heating issues attributed to previous generation cards so you'll be fine. and don't forget that it actually has more horsepower than 1060 as shown in the pic (>>58675780) as well as drivers which improve performance of the card over time (>>58675798)... unlike Nvidia who like to gimp older cards with their drivers to make their new cards appear better.

>>58675842
Are you overclocking, or building in a very small form factor case? If not, it doesn't really matter. And the RX series has fine cooling anyway.

>>58675899
>>58675895
Fair enough.

Thank you! You have helped me a bunch.

>>58675788
First guess is you connected something the wrong way or your PSU is shit, did you test it, too?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/dFBpFd

r8 h8 rema8ke?

>>58676082
why a mid tower for a mATX board?

>>58676103

why not?

>>58676150

why not a mATX mid case?

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>>58676150

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I posted this the other day and decided I am just going to buy additional parts instead of getting rid of it. What would /g/ replace to get the biggest bang for the $500 (or so) bucks I want to sink in additional parts?

Additionally, this is a mid-size tower and I want to get some better fans (CPU or otherwise) because the fans get loud as fuck.

>>58676082
>shitpost - the build
>australia
Checks out.

>>58673800
are there any good and cheap haswell thinkpads?

>>58676179

because they're rare and overpriced compared to mid ATX towers in Aus

>>58673829
not a fan of hitachi drives and i would just use a cheapo green drive if you just need a place to stash your porn.

also whats up with all the case fans? im sure a silverstone case is equiped adequately already.

cool build otherwise.

>>58673895
i would pay the extra 10$ and get a USB optical drive so in the future when you build another computer you dont need to yank it out from the existing computer just to install the OS.

>>58676082
corsair cases are great. easy to work on and its all the small touches that i like (stand offs are pre installed, they have that one standoff that is a peg to hold the board in place).

power supply seems a bit on the underpowered side.

ssd could be bigger but i guess you could just install games you dont really like or play too often on the HDD.

>>58676198
the only thing that's wrong with this build is it's running single channel memory. other than that, i don't see how you could improve it. the CPU is the limiting factor, and replacing the CPU means replacing pretty much everything else. either sell it or let it die - don't put any more money into it. then start fresh.

>>58676206
>shitpost - the build

elaborate

>>58676103

why are you being retarded

>>58676254
he's referring to a meme where moot says 90% of shitposters are Australian. just ignore him.

>>58676103

what other tower would you suggest for an mATX?

>>58676296

https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=29334&cPath=547&utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=export_feed#googlebase

>>58676296
mini towers are a thing

>>58673844
I made the switch from an AMD Phenom II x4, the predecessor of the AMD FX line to an i3-6100. I get up to 57% less frames per second on the same clock (3.7 vs. 3.7 GHz), due to the lack of 4 physical cores in the i3.

So any fucking performance bonus no matter how small can only be to your advantage versus the i3-6100, it's a piece of shit.

>>58675899
>>58675895
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yYcLf8
What do you guys think, I've left the case and ssd away because I already have those.

>>58676578
Okay, I explained that poorly. What I meant was: I get only 57% of the FPS of the Phenom with the i3 at the same speeds in some games that are bad at utilizing hyperthreading.

>>58676605
i'm assuming you can't get a mATX version of that motherboard in oz otherwise you would. i'd think about getting 2x4GB or 2x8GB sticks so you get the benefit of running dual channel. also, better to go with lower latency 1600MHz sticks than higher frequency.

oh and you can still change that 1060 to a 480 :^)

is it worth putting 2 fans on my hyper T4?
how would i drive 2 cpu fans when every mb i've seen only has one cpu_fan connector?

>>58676717
I was thinking about a single 8gb ram stick because I will upgrade it by buying another stick later (like a month after I build the rig).

I'll change the sticks to 1600MHz ones as you recommended.

I'm still thinking about the 1060gtx and rx480 battle. Although the 1060gtx seemed to be better than the rx480 by 15-20%, I still don't think that the rx480 will be able to equal the 1060 gtx by updating the drivers anymore.
I mean, I could get into an argument discussion with you but I'm not as informed and there seem to be many videos and benchmarks on youtube that are so different from eachother that I don't know which source to believe.

I gotta think about it long and hard, in the end, they're kind of the same give or take so my own sanity is at stake.

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I'm in love with these cases, but they just aren't big enough for my needs.

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/antec-vsk2000-u3-black-micro-atx-slim-htpc-case-supports-micro-atx-mini-atx-motherboards-usb-30-4x-e

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/cooltek-umx1-silver-aluminium-mini-itx-case

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/akasa-euler-mx-fanless-for-mini-itx-motherboards-supports-intel-6th-gen-skylake-includes-pico-power-

>>58676240
>also whats up with all the case fans? im sure a silverstone case is equiped adequately already.

It only comes with two fans, but they're nothing too amazing, and I'm kinda paranoid about thermals in such a small case considering my ambients go up into the 30s and 40s on some days. Maybe I'm just being too worried, though?

>>58676975
fair enough bruh. the differences in benchmarks are probably to do with the drivers the 480 was using at the time, which (unlike 1060) have been steadily improving. to be fair you can't go wrong with either of the cards so don't overthink it.

GTX 1060 6GB or RX 480 8GB ?
Best bang for buck 144hz monitor?

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>>58673829
Gonna put the order through for this in the morning so I'd appreciate anyone giving it a second look over.

>>58677583
might as well wait until monday

>>58674104
Man, well of course I'm not only using it at 1080p that would be rediculous

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Purpose is gaming at 1440p, budget is around $1300. Will OC in the future. Any suggestions for swaps for a better price, or better parts for around the same price?

Also, should I pull the trigger now or wait for Vega/Ryzen and price drops on "older" hardware?

What would I need to play ME Andromeda at 1080 on high?

>>58677499
depends on games you play, your budget.

>>58677871

212 evo sucks, 50 evo sucks, NEX sucks. OC when you get it.

Personally I'd go for a cryorig cooler on that with cheaper memory, cheaper mobo, cheaper ssd, and a G2 psu.

>>58676975
what games do u play

>>58678084
They're about the same price, but around $250 is what I want to spend.

I play mostly Overmeme these days. I'll also play the new Mass Effect, and Doom or something.

>>58678217
Go for 480 in a heartbeat, while 15% worse than the 1060 for overwatch it's like 25% better for Doom, and around there for any DX12.

Any idea what might be needed for the next elder scrolls whenever that comes out?

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>tfw the noisiest parts of your build are the 2x mechanical HDDs

they are even mounted on anti-vibration bays with anti-vibration grommets and anti-vibration screws

feels bad man

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>>58673800
Are there any good mini-ITX cases, which i can build a PC WITHOUT a dedicated graphics card in it ?
I want to build one for myself, so i can take it to LAN-Parties without much hassle, but i am too poor to buy an intel nuc or something like that.
Since i would mostly play CS 1.6, tf2 or something in that range, i don't need a graphics card for that.
Therefore i am looking for a compact case, which only has room for the mainboard, a 2'5 inch SSD and the PSU.
All my games run from an external HDD or flash drive, so i don't even need space for a second drive.

>>58678940
>he doesn't use an NVME drive
stay mad poorcuck.

>>58678973
>he spends 5x the price per GB of SSDs on overperforming flash memory that has close to 0 real world applications that can make use of such speeds

Don't get me wrong I'm all in for speed but nvme $/GB is stupid man.

Are gaming computers even necessary? Do they even make any games where you need a gaming rig?

>>58678997
then why didn't you buy a Sata SSD ?
>50 bucks/120Gb
>noticably more speed
>quiet as shit in the dumpster

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>>58679048
Oh, I have one of those. I am just whinning because I don't want to spend the money on silent (and fast) drives but I want them to stop being noisy :^)

>>58679048
>50 bucks for 120 GB
>70 bucks for 250 GB
>140 bucks for 500 GB
Don't fall for the 120 GB overpriced SSD meme, kids.

>>58679083
But there's a $25 step up to the 240GB.

>>58679130
What he means is 120GB + 120GB = more expensive than the 240GB drive

>>58679083
so, you're not buying ten 120Gbs, just to waddle your money into the face of poorfags ?

I'm looking for a case for my next computer, finally upgrading the i5 2500K. What's giving me trouble is that I want it to be an overpressure setup to reduce dust, and I'd prefer either a white or metallic color over black. ATX or µATX. What sorta good options are there for that?

When choosing a fan, is 14 dbA really all that much?

The case I chose comes with a 180mm senpai, but it's 34 dbA at full power. I can get a third-party 180mm fan that pushes more air and is only 20 dbA at full power.

Should I bother?

>>58679335
Depends on how noisy your build/your room is otherwise.

>>58679335
Your senpai is so tiny!

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>>58679335
Did it happen?

baka desu senpai

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For any kind soul that would like to answer, I'm going to buy the i7 7700k with my tax return. I was wanting to get this z170 mobo simply for the fact it lights up, but I heard the z270 is much better when paired with the kabby lake. Is the performance increase worth it on the z270 for me to forgo my aesthetics?

Pic related the mobo i want

>>58679681
Those blue LEDs will make it run cool, but other than that I don't forsee an increase in performance.

>>58679681
There is no performance increase and almost all z270 boards light up too

>>58679681
Always remember: more LEDS = more FPS.

>>58673800
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Phanteks-Enthoo-Midi-Tower-Window/dp/B011A2LWZI/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1485544426&sr=1-3&keywords=Phantek+enthoo

Got this case today boyos, what do you think?

I hate LEDs btw.

>>58679818
Since when did Phanteks cases come with LED fans?

>>58679826
Dunno, I picked the option without.

>>58679763
>>58679712
I was reading somewhere that the z270 was better for OC

>>58679681
Have to flash with the Kaby Lake update

>>58679074
>1080p 60Hz
Embarrassing

>>58678372
Depends on the engine, but it's too far away to buy a rig for now. Buy what you need now then upgrade later.

>>58677979
Likely i3 / G4560 + RX 470 / 480 / GTX 1060

>>58677871
Get 3000MHz RAM
You could get the i5 7500 on the Z270 and use the Enhanced Turbo and 3000MHz RAM until the next line of chips (Coffee Lake) comes out on LGA1151. That lineup might have really cheap i7s

>>58677499
Generally the GTX cards are better at really high framerates.

>>58676864
Splitter. Depends on how much heat you have to radiate

>>58676717
Bad advice about the RAM. Higher frequency is better

>>58676605
You can't get Skylake or Kaby Lake?

>>58676198
Get an RX470 and the Cryorg H7. $225 upgrade

>>58676082
Consider Kaby Lake (get 2400MHz RAM if you do)
Get 240GB SSD

>>58679681
If you want that board, you'll have to flash an update to enable Kaby Lake compatibility, but you'll need a Skylake processor to do it.

If you want a z270 board that lights up (fucking Christ, why?), the Gigabyte Z270X Gaming boards will do that, and look like ricer-tier trash at the same time. Perfect for your needs.

can someone recommend a good dualband/AC + bluetooth 4 pcie card?

are the intel square network cards decent?

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>>58679681
>>58680158

Look at that monstrosity.

>>58680183
>how can I become a pro gamer while also showing my support for the gay community?

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>>58680158
I can flash the mobo with a usb that has the files, I was just wanting to know if the oc capabilities were any better on the z270 compared to the z170

Also
>not wanting to make your computer brighter then the sun
I feel bad for ya anon

>>58680158
You're wrong. You don't need any processor to flash modern motherboards.

Asus, for example has a system called EZFlash, where you put the firmware file on a USB stick, plug it into the designated port, power on the system, press a button on the motherboard, and it flashes. No components required.

>>58680037
That's because Kaby Lake deals with voltages in a slightly different manner than Skylake, sort of like how Devil's Canyon moved the voltage regulators from the CPU to the motherboard. But we're talking about very slight differences which won't matter in 90% of the silicon out there.

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>>58678940
Good performance is silent

>>58679083
this is like going shopping for a can of coke and buying a six-pack of coke for 3$ because it's a better deal than 1 can for 1$

if you only need a 120GB ssd, why spend more on a larger one just because it's a better deal?

>>58680460
Because you can and will run out of 120gb
It's about having foresight and not making impulsive decisions for now

>>58680530
120 gb is enough if you're just using it for the OS
but i think the 250 is a good compromise

>>58680530
someone who only needs 120gb will not run out of 120gb

t. only disk I own is a 64gb ssd not even half full
people have different needs

>>58680098
>1080p 60Hz

I've got a 1440p monitor on the way. I am just patiently upgrading parts.

If you have an absurd amount of ram (like 128GB+) can you use dump an entire hard drive (smaller than the ram of course) onto the ram, and use that to clone to a new drive?
Could drive cloning being done through bios?

>>58674311
>$295
Holy shit is this what people are paying for this cpu? I paid 170 with shipping.

>>58676335

they're a shit thing

I'm thinking about swapping towers. I am currently running the Fractal Define R4. I want something smaller with dust filters and enough space to fit a 240-280 radiator on the top of the case and enough fans to get lots of air in and out very quickly.

I would also want the case to have windows.

Is there any case like this that isn't the Enthoo Evolv ATX Tempered Glass?

>>58675672
Notice how the first three are ATX, while the last one is ITX? It's like asking why a microcar is bigger than a minibike.

>>58678946
Check out the IN WIN Chopin

>>58680556
100% chance your needs are different than his (aka not gaming) or you're not using the SSD properly.

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>>58681061
He's right though, my flash drive is 64GB and I haven't even filled that up

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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/22PWyf

any improvements to be made?

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build this pc a little over a year ago.
went for what i thought was best price-performance ratio but havent had much (and still havent) the deepest knowledge of what is a meme and what isnt.

did I dun goofed?
what should I replace next? I guess the gpu is the weakest link?

>>58681364
Yeah probably the GPU, get a 480/1060 if you're staying at 1080p, or a 470 if you want to cheap out
Get a cheap SSD, you'll appreciate it

>>58681364
>i7
>with an x60 GPU

You dun goofed(not to mention that the 760 was already deprecated a year ago). On the plus side, aside from the GPU and maybe the RAM(because 1333MHz DDR3 is pretty slow), you most likely won't need to upgrade anything until your motherboard dies. That is, assuming the primary purpose of your rig is gaming.

>>58681238
Looks fine dawg

>>58681377
>>58681426
yes, gaming only. so I couldnt justify to myself shelling out that much and thought the 4GB graphical memory meant something.
my prior pc was from '05.
I hope the i7 we last me some years!

thanks for the info. will probably buy a new graphics card soon. 1060 most likely.

>find out my cpu is going at ~95c while doing shit

I guess it's time to replace the thermal paste after 8 years? I've never done this kinda thing before. I'm spooked.

>>58681364
>>58681588
>will probably buy a new graphics card soon. 1060 most likely.
I'm still using my gtx 570 after 5 years, it all depends on if you want to have the best graphics, I'm still happy with what i have.

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Is there any particular reason I shouldnt buy asrock z270 pro4 for using or even ocing sky/kaby? Very much looking for buying it, but still have to ask.

>>58681610
You could try that, you'll need isopropyl alcohol to clean off the old stuff.

>>58681684
You get what you pay for, if it's dead on arrival or shits the bed 3 months after buying then that's your problem, makes sure to read reviews.

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I'm making upgrades once I get my tax returns (pic related).
>Acer XF240H (1080p, 24", TN, 144hz, FreeSync)
>XFX RX 480 8GB

Any objections? I figured if I was going 144hz, I might as well go FreeSync with a RX 480.

>>58681238


Looks alright if you're not planning on overclocking.

>>58681610
It's really not that spoopy. Just take off the CPU fan, get a microfiber cloth (walmart sells them), some isopropyl alcohol, and clean off the old thermal paste. Then put a little pea sized glob of new paste on the CPU, and put your fan back on.

>>58681364
As the other anon said,
RX470/480 GTX 1060
240GB SDD
The i7 will last you a long time

>>58681884
What's your CPU?

>>58681129
Then you're not installing any AAA games on it

>>58681884

Highly doubt you'll ever get 144fps with an rx480. Freesync is a meme.

>>58681956
He can in Team Fortress 2, Titanfall 2, and Overwatch

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>>58681880
I sense some kind of hate towards asrock here, is it justified and is linked with some of the newer models, or some principal misconception?
Btw, there are NO reviews on this one.

>>58673895
>Seagate
R.i.p

>>58681999
They have some interesting features, but the outfit seems a little ragtag.

>>58681946
I'm still on Vishera AMD, FX 8300. I know I know, CPU bottleneck. It has done the job though. I'm going to keep driving on with the 8300 until I graduate and build a whole new rig the right way.

>>58681981
And yeah I play TF2 and Overmeme. Getting around 100 -144 frames in Overwatch with FreeSync is ideally what I'm going after

>>58682032
also this is my build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m39HJV

>>58682032
FX8300 is a good CPU, especially in new games. It mostly won't bottleneck a 480 tier gfx card. If you can OC to 4GHz, it'll be better.

>>58681981

so he'll randomly hit that every few minutes in those shirty games

great reason to overpay for a meme monitor

I just realized all the outlets in my rented house aside from the kitchen and bathroom are ungrounded/old 2 prong adapters and I just ordered all the parts for my new PC. Will I die?

>>58682062

yeah it's not happening

>>58682073
Google 'freesync low framerate compensation'

>>58682079
You need a zombie survival generator, m8

>>58682123

google 'not overpaying for gimmicks'

First time builder here. I don't have a set-in-stone budget, so I can spend as much as you can throw at me. I'll be building the PC over the next 4 years (inb4 the 'constantly advancing technologies' meme, yes I know I will have to change my plans over time, and that's fine). What I'm thinking of doing right now is just go one part at a time, case first, of course considering the size of the motherboard and all, then motherboard, psu, and all that shit. Is this the right way? I can't just spend all the money at once, that's why I'm going for this route.

>>58681942
>>58681857

Is expensive thermal paste a meme?

>>58682176
I just went with whatever they sold at bestbuy

>>58682152
Google 'feminine penis' and then find similarities with your own

>>58682176
Yes

>>58682167
No. Save then buy at once. You don't need an SSD or a gfx card Right when you buy, but you need everything else.

>>58682062

you are not getting anywhere near 100fos with this build

also

>amd cpu

>>58682226
As I said, I can't do that, I can either build it progressively or not build it at all. I currently have a decent PC that won't be deprecated for at least another few years. I'm preparing for a move and that's why I'm doing this. Again, I can't spend much money at once.

Friends first build going to be buying the parts at Microcenter i just wanted some last minute ideas/criticism just for 1080p gaming. Also some of the parts are gifts so he already has them.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HmjMm8

>>58681956
But that's literally the one reason to have freesync

>>58682123
Help pls I don't want my PSU to kill me

>>58682167
>one part at a time, case first, of course considering the size of the motherboard and all
For the case, some mid and full atx cases can accommodated any size mobo, keep this in mind. It's also very useful if you plan on reusing the case for future builds, however keep in mind that you may want to change it anyway if you get sick of looking at it.

>>58682333

No just get a cheap 60hz monitor and stop being a faggot.

>>58682311
looks good. Consider replacing RX 470 for a GTX 1060 3GB

>>58682167
That's fucking stupid, in 4 years you'll have a pile of outdated components and you'll still be shitposting from your phone
Get a PC right when you want it, with the hardware you need that's already out on the market. Get a basic case/mobo/CPU system, then add GPU/drives/rice later on
It's either a pile of useless components for 4 years or a pile of savings account to buy a PC 4 years in the future

>>58682311
Looks fine to me, you may want to check if the i5 7500 isn't the same or close to the same price, however you'll need to either update the bios or go with a b250 mobo or any other 200 series mobo to save hassle.

>>58682392

He'll also have to use windows 10 so fuck that.

>>58682167
But if you insist on this retardation, I will say, cases, power supplies, coolers, CPUs and motherboards don't change very often, you can get the non-performance parts now and they'll be fine even a decade from now, and a *good* CPU will last you nearly as long

>>58682067
I already have a turbo set to 4GHz, and it's solid. The only game where I can feel a bottleneck is Cities: Skylines but eh whatever.

>>58682152
idk what could be thought of as gimmicky about FreeSync (or G-Sync on nVidia).

Basically, it is a variable Hz.
The way the standard monitor and GPU work is, the GPU renders frames, and sends them to the monitor, then the monitor outputs whatever frames are given using the constant refresh rate (60hz or 144hz for example). This results in screen tearing with v-sync turned off (v-sync greatly adds latency, so FPS games default with v-sync off), and more noticeable "choppiness" when the framerate doesn't match the refresh rate.
With FreeSync or G-sync however, the GPU sends in frames along with the frame rate, and the monitor refreshes whenever it receives a new frame. Therefore, if frames drop for whatever reason, it is much more smooth and not nearly as noticeable. Screen tearing is impossible. The refresh rate adjusts to whatever frames you get.

Also, considering that a good 60hz 1080p monitor at 24" is around $150, and a cheap 144hz 1080p monitor at 24" is $199, and this one is FreeSync and still just $199, why not?

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>>58682404
hahaha ikr?
More like botnet 10 amirite?
+1

>>58682311
Get cheaper RAM, 64GB SSD is just retarded, see if you can fit a RX480 in, case is an expensive meme, EVGA G2 is not needed for this build.

>>58682284
You seem confused

>>58682311
240GB SSD
Consider G4560 + B250

>>58682412
Well, I guess I could actually try and save up. You see, my income isn't really high and it isn't monthly. It's mostly periodical. I am worried that if I save up, the money won't be enough for a decent PC. I mostly do programming, but I also do 3D modeling and animation, so I'd also like something with a high-end GPU. I'm also not a stranger to gaming, so there's something to think about too on that topic.

>>58682463
Have you looked into used PC's? Maybe one with a good CPU so you could upgrade the video card when you have more money?

is the H60 liquid cpu cooler a meme>

>>58682561
All single fan liquid coolers are a meme

>>58682463
The biggest investment in most computer by far is the motherboard+CPU. I'd add memory into the mix, but DDR3 was a standard for so long that I think DDR4 might be the same story.
I would save up for Ryzen and skip Intel this generation altogether if you're not planning on upgrading to a new system because AMD has a rather annoying habit of making their sockets last longer than Intel (AM3/+). LGA1151 will be replaced by a new socket come Coffee Lake.

>>58682575
Yeah but how many AM3 CPUs were worth buying in the 8 years it was availible?
How many people are still buying 1155 CPUs for the 8 year old sandy bridge socket?

>>58682613
AM3 was decent until the tragedy that was Bulldozer stumbled into the market. AM4 is looking to be an uptick, with Zen matching Broadwell-E in most performance perspectives and nowhere to go but up. AMD also tends to make two iterations of their sockets that are backwards compatible, like AM3 and AM3+. There is a good chance that your motherboard will fail long before your CPU, so in the case that your motherboard dies and you have to buy a new one, you can keep an AM4 CPU and use it on an AM4+ motherboard rather than buying a brand new AM4+ CPU along with it.

If you do want to go Intel, just wait until 2018 when Coffee Lake comes out. It will be on a new socket, which means that you're shit out of luck on 1151 motherboards a few years down the line if you go Skylake/Kaby Lake right now.

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what's the best possible upgrade I can get for $5000 or less?
I feel like I'm at the point where if I upgrade anything more I'll just hate myself

>>58682696
i7-6900K ($1000), $500 X99 motherboard, six more DDR4 memory (~$150 total, >$200 for memeRGBLEDs), and $2.4K for a custom watercooling loop.

Same guy as
>>58682463

Would it be bad If I got one of those hideous netbooks, lapbooks, whatever the hippies call laptops now for use for basic programming, then slowly assembled a PC?

>>58682778
If you could get it for cheap sure.
I'm 100% for getting the whole PC at once, whether it be now or several years from now. That being said, there's some good stuff happening this year (Zen, Vega, Optane, 1080ti) that would be worth waiting to see the prices on, and how/if that changes current hardware prices

>>58674001
Buy new PSU, test and return if not issue.
If issue, keep

Sounds like a PSU issue

>>58682429
SSD was free
Case was free
And i want to make sure he doesn't have a shit psu.

>>58682819
I've been running some more tests. Just fooled around a bit in FC:P after moving the gfx card to a different PCIe slot--so far, no issues.

However, I noticied that my PSU was eliciting a buzzing noise (different than fan rattle). I cycled the power using the switch as well.

Time for more tests. Personally I think it's the PSU as well; could be the gfx card or even mobo though. Too many components could be at fault.

>>58682826
The PSU is good

I carried through the PSU from my last computer into this one, it's worked fine enough but it's definitely getting on in years; producing consistent noise when turned off and sometimes rattling or clicking. I'm running on a corsair 500w, but don't really want to stick with Corsair since the whole reason I ended up just using this one was because of persistent problems with the corsair replacement I bought at the time.

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-BRONZE-Warranty-Tester-100-B1-0600-KR/dp/B00EON40CS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485493974&sr=8-1&keywords=600w

This is what I'm looking at now. My computer works fine for the most part, occasionally crashes in ways that 'might' be related to the PSU, but I assume that's not a wattage issue so 600 seems like a decent enough range to bump up in the future without going overboard.

Primary questions are whether there's anything known to be wrong with the EVGA brand on this, and if so what brand to focus on instead. Noise drives me fucking nuts, especially electric whines. The issue I had with the corsair was that it automatically turned the fan off when not under load, and that instead made it make a high pitched sound, so that especially is something I'm worried about.

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Anybody know where to find this fucker anywhere in stock? I've exhausted the extent of my google-fu and simply cannot find it in stock

>>58683952
We're waiting

>>58683988
Okay. Kinda figured just wanted to ask to be sure. Thanks again

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ncXdvV
Thoughts?

www.pcpartpicker.com/list/dvs8zM

>>58682561
It performs about the same as air coolers that are about half the price. That being said, I bought one on sale because it looks nice.

>>58684066
It's shit
>>58684075
Decent but has room for improvement.

>>58684075
Not enough fans

>>58673800
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NndFf7/zotac-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-4gb-mini-video-card-zt-p10510a-10l

OR

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x7s8TW/msi-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-4gb-video-card-gtx-1050-ti-4gt-oc

>>58684066
Get 3000mhz RAM.
That's it.

>>58684179
The msi one. It wont make a huge difference though.

>>58673800
Do I fall for the AMD meme?

Or the Nvidia meme. I won't be playing anything except Star Citizen, modded bethesda shit and Planetside 2 tryharding (cpu heavy game, I know). I want 120+ fps and don't mind lowest settings @ 1080p

I don't really give a shit about new releases, everything is shit and will be shit for the foreseeable future, I just like good gameplay.

What brands are considered budget psus?

I'm building a PC to last me 2 years, so will a corsair be okay?

>>58684315
Yes corsair is fine as long as it is not a cx or builders unit from what I have heard.

>>58684315
>so will a corsair be okay?
Only high end and Veangence Corsair PSUs are good, the rest is house on fire setting volatile chink shit trash.
Good budget options are EVGA 500B, anything from SeaSonic or Super Flower and XFX TS.

Building an eGPU. Should I got GTX 950 for $80 or GTX 970 for $150? Does the performance difference warrant the extra $70? It's purely for 1080p.

>>58684357
>>58684386

How is this one?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/jmPqWX

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Here's my completed build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/CdCbt6

I'm thinking about swapping out the red LED fans for white ones. The red is super overpowering and I can't really see the inside of my case. Though this is just purely for aesthetics. If I went with white LEDs, would you guys recommend regular fans and LED strips or LED fans and no strips?

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What is the best performance/price ratio RAM for Kabylake currently? What Mhz at which timings?

>>58684620
Your whole setup is disgusting trash, fuck off.

>>58684853
Ouch... That really hurt through the internet.

>>58684530

That monitor is stupid. Freesync for 60fps is retarded.

wheere are new cheap motherboards for kaby lake? and preferably with hdmi 2.0 ports

>>58685024
There aren't any, especially not since Intel killed H210 boards, either buy a more expensive B250 like a good goy or see if you can get a cheap H110 with a BIOS update.

>>58682010
What's so bad about Seagate?

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>>58685024

>>58685242

memes

only the 3tb ones r shit

>>58685422
Ah, alrighty

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fy2njc

Any advice on this? Have ~$1500 budget.

>>58686066
You know you need a CPU cooler, right?

>>58686066
You have a $1500 budget, why are you wasting it all on ricer shit and settling for a fucking 1070?

>>58686200
I think he forgot to pay his heating bill and is looking for an alternative

>>58686066
>one GPU
>not mATX

Completely unnecessary waste of space.

>>58686200
>>58686272

I know, I have a 212 Evo from a previous build I can use for now. I'm still deciding long term if I want to go WC or not.

>>58686260
Because a not even 10% performance boost is not worth an extra 35% price increase for me.

>>58686278
>locking yourself out of future upgrades

>>58686310
>not worth an extra 35% price increase for me
Your list is full of fucking ricer shit. You're literally wasting hundreds of dollars on lights.

>>58686310
Noice

Quick question, /pcbg/
I was looking on eBay for some xeons for the hell of it until I came across an E5 2650 V4 12c/24t. It's an engineering sample, and clocked at 2GHz as opposed to 2.2, but it's 200 fucking dollars ($225 after shipping).
I was thinking of upgrading from my measly i3 6100, but I was waiting for Zen. This, though looks like a hell of a deal.
I've started to get into video editing with Premiere and After Effects, I'm going to start doing a good bit of code compiling very soon, and possibly 3D modelling on the side. And of course, gaming every now and then.
Is something I should consider?

>>58686323
>ricer shit
This phrase has lost all meaning on /g/ hasn't it?

>>58686323
>wasting hundreds of dollars
>on lights
How do you figure?

>>58686348
No, the term has just shifted from what it used to be since PC building has become very easy and very popular, meaning the OEMs put more effort into aesthetics than they used to. There are less options that AREN'T rice than are, but there is still blatant rice.

>>58686323
There's a big difference between paying $50 for a small increase and paying $200 for one, anon.


>>58686278
Considering the case in that list, I don't think he's that worried about wasting space.

>>58686373
I wouldn't call anything in my list blatant rice save maybe the motherboard but basically anything that isn't a basic $50 board has LED's and shit now especially on that chipset.

>b-but the case
/g/ thinks anything that isn't a plain black box is a riced case, I've had far worse examples before.

>>58686066
Went ahead and built you a better system for $10 less.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wyrgqk

>>58686463
You have an interesting definition of better.

>>58686066
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P2G4JV

>>58686483
>faster memory
>fan cooler
>objectively better gpu
>all other components are similar or literally the same
>not better

It's okay guys, he's been baiting this whole time.

>>58685296

none of those have hdmi 2.0 ya mong...

>>58686066
Why are you using Kaby Lake and a Z270 board if you're capping out at 2666MHz memory?
No CPU cooler?
A 1070?
More than half of your PSU's wattage is unused?

You've built an expensive entry level rig.

quit buying out the 570X's, faggots

>>58686510
>drives I don't need
>cooler I don't need
>h110 chipset for a K-series

>>58686524
>>faster memory
This is true.
>>fan cooler
I already have one, read the thread.
>>objectively better gpu
For $200 more that will get maybe 5FPS more in most games.
>>all other components are similar or literally the same
>mATX vs ATX and much lower in the series
>nod even a mid tower but an mATX tower vs full tower
>>not better


>>58686558
>Why are you using Kaby Lake and a Z270 board if you're capping out at 2666MHz memory?
Does clock rate actually matter for DDR4? I remember for DDR3 timing was far more important.
>No CPU cooler?
>read the fucking thread
>A 1070?
>read the fucking thread
>More than half of your PSU's wattage is unused?
I have a bunch of mechanical drives, fans, etc plus I'm planning to overclock. That ~400w load will jump quite a bit and PSU's are more efficient at around half load anyway.

>You've built an expensive entry level rig.
It's not entry level in the slightest.

Bought a Sapphire RX 480 8gb for around $185. Gonna use it for an eGPU now and a budget (probably Ryzen) build soon. Did I do good or did I goof?

>>58686586
You don't know what you're talking about.
You asked for advice on a sub-par build which is based more around how bright the inside of the case is than the power of the components.
On top of that you've refused any and all advice on improving the build, and even cutting the cost while doing so.

You didn't come here for advice.

>>58686680
I want advice that isn't horribly subjective like people bitching about rice. Yes the 1080 is more powerful than a 1070 but I don't see the $200 difference as being worth it to me for what I get when I can instead put that $200 into a better case or motherboard with features I feel I would get far more out of than getting 110FPS on a 60Hz screen rather than only 100.

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>>58686586
>For $200 more
>the build costs less

>for maybe 5FPS
>benchmarks suggest ~20 at 1440p and ~10 at 4k

???

It's your money, I guess.

>>58686732
>For $200 more
>the build costs less
The GPU specifically. The motherboard and case both have features I would enjoy having.
>>benchmarks suggest ~20 at 1440p and ~10 at 4k
Sauce?

>>58686597
The RX 480 is a good card for the price.

>>58686414
The dominators are blatant rice.

>>58686574
>570x

It's like the 90's but with harder to scratch PVC. Fucking disgusting.

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Going into 3D design this year, anything I should immediately upgrade? Obviously Hard Drive; I'm thinking of buying an SSD card first and moving the system onto it without reinstalling somehow.
I have a student budget.

Second inquiry (answer if you want): There's been an issue where everything powers on but the monitor states "no signal". Happens intermittently over the past couple years. Usually wiggling a random cord helps. Just replaced the 10 yr old monitor but apparently that wasn't even the issue.
Plugging motherboard and GPU into monitor at the same time (hdmi+vga) gets rid of the issue because it's relying on the motherboard; speccy won't even detect the GPU with this setup.
Right now there's no issue with the graphics card after dusting it out and reseating it, but assuming it may have the issue again, is it a good bet to say the GPU is the issue, despite the fans spinning? Just don't want to replace the motherboard.

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who full tower here?

if gpu's don't progress worth a damn this year i'm going triple and gonna need more room.

any reason i shouldn't just get the cheapest rosewill full tower for 80 bucks?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/kqG4JV
any thoughts?

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Inside a Fractal Design R5, can't even hear it running.

>>58687336
Had full tower, only needed it for HDDs.
Ended up going full plus mid.
No point going past dual GPU, if even that. Save your money.

>>58687372

when gpu's are cheap and new ones are 500 bucks there's no reason not to. i'll just offload it all later on anyway.

or spread them around to other pc's.

i swear every fucking body on /g/ will only accept you having ONE gpu. i have a fucking drawer full of them.

>>58687338
You're going to want a better power supply.
With the reduced cost now, there's no reason not to go for Gold certified, and the pastebin in the OP has recommended makes and models.

What's your budget?

>>58687441
We're at the point where adding more can actually make for worse performance, due to stuttering. If you've got cash to burn, make a console-sized one, a mini-ITX build, a micro, a full, and a rackmount.

>>58687441
It's just the diminishing returns, despite the greater bang for buck as the price:performance hits the sweet spot.

>>58687474
Also, this. I 'downgraded' from 780Ti SLI to 980Ti Strix. The stuttering, as subtle as it is, was really getting under my skin. Went from 9600GT SLI to 4890 Xfire, 590SLI, 680SLI, etc cet.

>>58687466
sub 1k canadian. just a cheap gaming build. I have a laptop with a i7 4710mq and 970m 3gb the gpu is holding me back now :P

>>58687485

i'm simply not as autistic as you are.

>>58686757
I actually got the last listing for that price on Jet, so I'm content with my order. Was $214 -$30 with Triple15. Every other 8gb 480 is $230+.

>>58687059
At least 16gb of ram and an ssd probably. Apart from that, only if your computer starts struggling when you're working, which it shouldn't.

As for the second question, if you have 2 16x pcie slots, put the card in the other slot and see if the same thing happens. If it doesn't, it's the slot. If it does, it's at least more likely to be the GPU.

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>>58687516
You do happen to radiate an aura of simplicity, this is true.

>>58687505
How's this?
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/GH6zCy

It's around $40 more than your previous build, but the power supply is nothing to skimp on.
If it fails, it could potentially take other parts with it. Plus, a quality power supply can be migrated to future builds.

Managed to trim the cost a bit by opting for a smaller SSD for the OS and priority programs/games. Added a 2TB drive for other storage and games.

>>58687630
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/GH6zCy
i've got a 1 tb drive lying around looks good though

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if I have a setup like this would I be able to fit a M.2 SSD inside?

i7 4790k
Dual SLI 970 WIndforce
Asus Z97 Pro Wifi

Thiere is supposed to be space behind the second graphics card but I'm not sure.

I am looking to get the Intel 600P if that helps

>>58687822
>Asus Z97 Pro Wifi
the slot is on the other side of the SATA ports. You'll have to take out both cards to easily get at it. It will lay underneath the GPU farthest from the CPU.
If the mobo doesn't add additional PCIE lanes, you're going to run into trouble with an m.2 and 2 GPUs @ 8x each.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/jZ8gqk

do your worst

>>58688085
says on the board that it shares the bandwidth with SATA_express

am i gucci?

*3 : M.2 Socket 3 shares bandwidth with SATAExpress_1

>>58688302
Looks fine but you don't really need 750w.

>>58673829
Why an SSD over an NVMe drive?

Is this PSU okay for this build? Won't be overclocking at all.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/rLsN2R

>>58688314
Don't think so. M.2 is just a SFF PCIEx4 connector.

>>58688385
How many times have you reposted this so far?

>>58688478

I'm paranoid about the PSU.

>>58688385
>Seasonic
They're the only brand I can just blanketly say all their products are fine at worst and top class in some cases.
If you don't care about rgb get the Deathadder 2013 for cheaper and better QC. Synapse is fucking cancer any way.

>>58688497
Seasonic is suppose to be a good brand and it's gold certified and has a 5 year warranty. Should be fine.

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what would you do

>>58688550
If you're happy with it, keep using it, if you're unhappy and want better graphics better save up for a brand new build at this point. If you want to save money reuse the case, psu and any other component. You'll at least need a new mobo, DDR4 ram, and cpu. You could reuse your gpu if you don't have enough money and upgrade it later.

You may want to wait and see what happens with Ryzen

>>58688585
the gpu does its job well for me, my options were getting a used 4690 + mobo or a new 6500 combo
how much do you think i could sell this for, including the case but without drives?

>>58688608
I don't know, look up local ads and see how much people are asking (probably too fucking much) for similar builds and gauge from there.

>>58688550
Scrap it and start a new build.
The case could probably be carried over to the new build, but you'd be better off selling the whole thing off to dent the cost of the new one.

>>58688824
Can get a decent amount of money for the gpu on Craigslist. Especially if you kept the box. I always keep my gpu boxes for that reason. They also look neat on a shelf.

Can I overclock a 770 with 550w?

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>>58688550

I've got something similar.

I'm building >>58688385

Lads

I want to put one more case fan into my PC, but I don't have free 3-pin case fan connectors on my motherboard. Only connections I have free are molex and 3-pin pwr_fan on the mobo, both would make the fan spin at 100% speed, which is too loud for me.

What is the absolute cheapest way I can slow down a fan connected in such a way? I don't want to buy a fan controller.

/g/uys,

I built my gaming PC in 2014 around FX-6300 and HD 7870. It's served me well but it's time to gradually rebuild. I've ordered RX 480 8GB which should let me max out most of what I play at 1080p but that CPU's looking pretty weak now. I think I'm getting a new case next month, then it's time to do the CPU and mobo.

So my question is: is the Xeon thing a meme or could that be viable and give me a worthwhile boost over FX-6300 when I do the upgrade?

>>58690235
>Xeon thing
Only worth if you're buying used, mobos are usually stupidly expensive.
You want to wait for Zen which will release end of feb.

>>58690293

That's cool, I won't do the motherboard and CPU until at least April unless the 480 doesn't make a big difference.