/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

>>58648228
DONALD TRUMP USES A MAC! THINKPAD KEKS BTFO!

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Do you guys recognize the thinkpad model that appears at the end of this episode?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErV0uWabRMU

I was using X30 and t42 and i like them a lot. Planning to buy something newer and so far T420 is the only option? I want something smaller. X30 is small but the screen is huge. God machine, really. Is there something similar?

So, besides the keyboard, is there anything else the x230 does different/worse than the x220?

I'm trying to decide between the x220,x230, EliteBook 2570p and latitude E6230/E6330.

I want to quadcore my x230. I am not scared of BGA rework. I will post pics of the process when it happens. Will an i7 3612qe require BIOS modification or thermal management considerations?

I am 100% serious.

>>58648631
EliteBook 2570 unless you have a hardon for thinkpads

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>>58649010
I don't know anything about doing it but I really want to know how it goes.

>>58649066
I don't really, of the three I like the general looks of the thinkpads the least. I have a thing for metal.

Why the elitebook over the latitudes though? I've heard they're quite a bit heavier and have worse screens.

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x201 masterrace reporting in

>>58649010
>>58649125

I have an i5 2230m, but I've heard from a few people that the i7s installed in the x230 didn't offer much advantage in practice. My goal to see if a quad core i7 offers considerable improvement, but I'm not an expert in processors or compatibility.

>>58648564
X61/X61s are the last ones with the same godlike form factor as X30. You can also get the chink X62 with modern innards if you dont mind the cost.

how fucking many battery life do you get on your t430s's ?
I expect answer only from xsauc thqh

>>58648411
T430 judging by the keyboard

I recently purchased an X220 which is running Windows 7 and has all the Lenovo crap still installed. I noticed that when I close the laptop it makes a beeping sound every couple of minutes if I don't mute it.
I only just noticed this time as I was watching a stream that after beeping it turned back on completely.
My main guess is that it's caused by the stuff Lenovo added but have no idea what setting it could be.

>>58648519
>autism

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>>58648411
it's not a T430, it's a T61 most likely, those indicator lights were dropped with the T410, so was that button design for the trackpoint, audio jacks are in the place where they would be on a T61, hinge sizes are also correct, IEEE 1394 also in the right place, trackpad is the same as the T61, which is primarily why i'd say it's not a T400

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>>58650879
wrong pic

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>>58650879
>>58650928
chose the one with the webcam because of the size and perspective of the picture, but if you look at this one without a webcam you'll see the pattern at the top also fits

>>58649269
X220 masterrace
dicks up your ass

>>58650928
Could also be a T400 though. The case is basically the same. Most parts are even interchangable.

>>58650879
>IEEE 1394
Has anyone ever used FireWire anyways? I had a DV camera that I could capture video from using FireWire and I think I've heard of audio interfaces that require it. But I've never actually met someone who used it.

I've read that between elitebooks/latitudes/thinkpads the elitebook screens are the worst. Is it really bad and/or noticible?

And I didn't see anything about hp probooks in the buyer's guide. Except for the i3 instead of i5 they seem pretty decent to me, or am I missing something?

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>>58651063
No, the T400 trackpad is as wide as the buttons.
If it were a T400 it would not be using its original parts, at least.

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Trying to decide on a Samsung EVO or Samsung PRO SSD for my x230t. Someone told me that the x230t will bottleneck even the cheapest SSDs out today and it's not worth putting a PRO in there. Is this true?

>>58651159
>Is it really bad and/or noticible?
Not that bad unless you're using it to watch anime or gaymen. They are awesome machines for the price and still look good today.

>>58651241
Well it's using SATA 3. That would mean a maximum of 3Gbit/s. Compare that to your SSD's read and write speed.

>>58651241
I'm pretty sure the X230(t) supports SATA 3, i.e. 6 Gbps, however if you go mSATA then you may struggle, at least the xx20 series only supported SATA 2 (3 Gbps) in the mSATA slot

>>58651270
>>58651159
I think it's most noticeable when the image is really dark because the contrast is beyond horrible

>>58651270
I was going to use it to watch some weeb cartoons downstair or in bed. Is that just a no-go then?

>>58651289
whoops, made a mistake there. as
>>58651300
said, it's 6Gbit/s. With an SSD your speeds would max out at 600MB/s

>>58651312
You can honestly cum all over those things and it won't even make a dent. I find the screen comfy tbqhf

Are there any PCIe devices I could put into my X220 besides UMTS and SSD? I have one empty slot but I need neither of them. Got my HDD replaced with an SSD and I don't want mobile networking. Anything else I could use the slot for?

>>58651344
6 Gbps would give a theoretical max of 750 MBps, but that's very fast.

>>58651393
in praxis it's 600MB/s

>>58648631
not really
i prefer the x230, but then again i'm using a dock and egpu

really wishing lenovo had made a p30

>>58651357
Thats not really info that will be particularely useful to me. But it's nice to know that I can splooge all over my screen without having to worry about damage, I suppose.

>>58649497
i have both an x230t and an x230, one with i5, one i7

in both benchmarks and daily use there was a small, but significant difference between the two

>>58651412
No, I've seen them do at least 560 MBps in terms of file transfers, which with 8b/10b encoding is 700 MBps

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>>58651241
I use a Pro and recommend it. We're not just talking speed here, but also memory life and reliability.

here is mine at 2 years

>>58651450
What benchmarks are we talking here?

>>58651549
i don't remember desu, but at least one was principle of talos

this was a while ago

Got a x220 with some small cracks on the base of the body. What's the best way to fix it? I've heard about using some type of putty but I'm wondering if anyone has anything better.


Also, any clue how much it would cost to replace the base by myself? How involved would it be? Should I just get a parts laptop?

>>58651860
Just buy a new x220.

Bought a X220 (Good condition) for $119.90
Pretty good price if you ask me. It get's here tomorrow.

if only 420 had literally anything but this ancient Intel HD 3000 shit

>>58651950
T420 has an option for NVS 4200M
regardless, the HD 3000 is decent for productivity at least with resolutions up to WQHD

x220: qt twink

t420: hot bear

>>58651886
Small cracks, just don't want them to expand

>>58651963
What's your blogspot so I can follow the saga?

>>58652054
What's your tumblr so I can enjoy more of your passive aggressive anger?

>>58652067
I only post dick pics on my tumblr.

>>58651042

>x220

Why can't you cucks just accept the x230 is superior after you swap out the keyboard.

>>58652290
they're both fine you dork

>>58652290
>>58652346
The x230 doesn't really do anything better than the x220 does, and if you need something that the x220 can't do, the x230 likely can't do it either.

Really it comes down to the keyboard you like.

>>58652430
i'd say buy whichever one is cheapest that day

>>58652430
>>58652453

This. Both are great. x220 has a much better keyboard (in manys' opinion) for if you ever have to do much typing.

What is the cheapest laptop I can get which has the best screen? Should have good build quality similar to ThinkPads.

>>58652721
ASUS EEE PC

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holy shit. there is people still roleplaying and saying that x220 is better than x230.

>>58652721
x220t, has IPS.

>>58652834
>It has a bigger number, guys!

see this: >>58652430


Seriously, don't get caught up on benchmarks. If you are, you will never be happy with either. If you need something that the x220 can't do, chances are you need something more powerful than either to do it well.

Is getting a t430 with the nvidia graphics worth it? They're kinda hard to find these days for cheap. Or should I just find a regular ol t430?

>>58652909
How much do you like gaymen?

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Bumblebee or nvidia prime?

>>58652865
just usb 3.0 and hd 4000 graphics alone make it worth the upgrade. and they even go for the same price sometimes.

>>58652938
Mostly paradox games, HoI 4, Europa and the such.

>>58652967
Gee, both of those features really come in handy for shitposting.

As a man with an income, I own both and use my x220 much more often because I type a lot of test procedures and, occasionally, shitpost.

>/g/ still recommending the T420 which has the worst display ever made

lol

On the other hand, the IPS display in my X230 is fantastic.

>>58653074
>1366x768
Sad!

>>58653074
How autistic are you willing to be about other people's selection of old enterprise laptops?

>>58652834
>>58653074
just wondering, are you the same dude that shat on every single XX20-related post for the entirety of december while bragging about the $100 X230 you found on ebay?

>>58653074
>1366x768 pixels

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias

>>58653100
>>58653111
1600x900 is still pretty garbage.

>>58653105
I have no issues with the X220. They're available with an IPS screen, I just found an undamaged X230 easier to obtain. Do appreciate the USB3 too.

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Did I do good?

>>58653231
>lives in Australia
Instant failure.

what are the best specs for T60 or T60 frankenpad?

>>58653367
i9 with 64gb of ram
IPS of course

just got my refurbish T440 today
oh god I though you guys were only memeing about the touchpad

ok so do I just get the T450 one to replace it?

Is an x230 for $230 an OK real?

>>58653430
Yes you fool. Also get a 1080p IPS display in there you pleb, model is B140HAN01.3

Hey, was wanting to buy this laptop on ebay.

It's a refurbished Carbon x1, any idea if it's good or not?

>>58653498
>Carbon
i5 3rd gen btw

>>58653498
>>58653522
Just get an x220

>>58653441
in NA, not really. maybe if it's got i7/ips/8gb already in there

under $150 USD is really what the average off-lease i5/tn/4gb should be going for

>>58653528
yeah just saw that you can't upgrade the 4GB ram that is included...dealbreaker

>>58653486
I just read around about the replacement touchpad
and it seem many of them online are from third party chink company it instead of Levono themselves

are there any specific brand I should avoid?
its only $30-40 but still I dont really want to take the laptop apart more than I need to

>>58649497
I had the i7 in an x220, and now have the i7 in an x230, I can say that there's less heat and it is noticeably less power hungry, but in terms of performance I imagine its the standard ~10% effective increase though.

Main plus points are resistance to temp. throttling and HD3000 -> HD4000 (which is capable of playing modern games.)

>>58653411
lol

when buying an x220, is it worth it to go for a x230? I have a lot of money and would rather not skimp too much, but not sure if it's worth it. Also, when buying an x220, anything I should watch out for such as ram/cpu models? will probably buy one with an HDD and upgrade to an SSD if I feel like it later on.

>>58653735
Yes, just transplant the superior x220 keyboard into the x230 if you do get one. The x230 runs cooler and offers superior battery life and graphics performance.

>>58653804
Thanks for response. I see that a keyboard will cost me about $40, so that is something to consider.

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Does anybody have the usb thinkpad style keyboard with trackpoint? Does it feel like a t430 keyboard or like the new shitty lenovo keyboards?

Can I put an SSD and HDD in an x220 tablet?

Can you remove the gritty touch pad surface off of an x220?

>>58654382
If you buy SSD for PCIE, or expresscard yes

>>58654429
I dont think so, look at this
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Original-Laptop-Touchpad-Cover-Trackpad-Cap-Mouse-Board-Shell-Lid-For-Lenovo-Thinkpad-X220-X220I/32723430533.html

>>58653804
There's not a damn thing wrong with the X230 keyboard. The trackpad is garbage but obviously you'll be using the trackpoint.

Has anyone with the X230 had it randomly turn off before, as if someone had removed the battery btw? Mine did this a bunch of times after I purchased it but with more regular use has gone away. Almost seems like some kind of random static error... or something.

>>58651950
>>58651963
As far as I can tell, the NVS4200 is about twice as powerful as the HD3000?

Twice as powerful as shit is still shit but it's something, it should turn your 720p low detail gaming from 15fps to 30fps.

>>58654753
>The trackpad is garbage
Has there ever been a good thinkpad trackpad, or did the Macbook bring that to the market?

My x220 with i7-2620m working on new 9cell battery only about 6h, is it normal? Is there any way to improve it? arch with i3wm, chromium as browser - very light software

>>58655128
>chromium
>very light software
hmmmm

all jokes aside, you using TLP? got all pertinent module options set (cba getting them)? all useless shit turned off and power settings optimised in't bios? turning down the display?

>>58655173
I underclocked cpu from max freq 2500mhz to 1000mhz and test it out

Is there any lighter browser than chromium? Laptop on idle can work on battery 8 hours(system bar showing that info) but if I open browser its falling down even to 4 hours

Got my x220 tablet in the mail today and put Bunsenlabs on it, things have been awesome. Only problem is automatic rotation doesn't seem to work, any fix for this?

>>58653105
nope, not the same anon

>>58655279
unironically firefox, but consider qutebrowser or even netsurf and dillo

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>>58654861
>>58651963
Threw this together from Notebookcheck

>>58654749
So the same kind of SSD that would fit in the WWAN slot of a t420?

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Is there a guide out there in regards to what is a meme and what is not a meme?

>>58655671
yeah, the buyers guide

>>58655671
it's memes all the way down

>>58655787
This.

But it sure feels good holding a meme in your hands.

I have a spare 4gb ddr3 1600mhz stick that I thought I'd try out in my x200, but apparently it's only compatible up to 1333mhz. Is there any way around this?

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>>58653804
I ended up finding an ad on kijiji that was <7 hrs old, got a x230 with an SSD for $300 CAD, came with a dock, excellent condition.

Thanks for the suggestion, it's a huge upgrade for me and was, IMO, quite a steal, especially compared to the price I wouldve paid on ebay with shipping and import charges.
Today I joined thinkpad masterrace. And to think, last year I was a macbook owner.

>>58656605
it should clock itself down without doing anything. just plug the fucker in

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>>58648228
>IBM ThinkPad G40 that I got for $5 at a Salvation Army
>Socket 478 (possibly Northwood) Pentium 4 (don't know what clock rate)
>256MB DDR-266 RAM
>Intel Extreme Graphics 2
>80GB Fujitsu 4200 RPM IDE hard drive
>Doesn't have TrackPoint or power chord
Worth it? Also, forgive me for the shitty camera quality

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>>58656843
Also, price tag in case you're all curious

>>58656843
T H I C C

>>58656873
You're right, but also heavy as balls to lift with one hand.

>>58656843
It was $5. If you get five minutes of enjoyment out of it I'd say it was a good purchase.

>>58656925
There was no charge in the battery, so I don't know what OS is on it (or if there is one.)

>>58656722
I tried that in both slots and got beeping error messages and didn't find any memory settings in the BIOS to mess with and see if I could do anything. I assume it either won't work or it's a dead stick, but I thought I'd at least ask.

>>58656605
x220 has modded bios which supports 1866mhz (default bios supports 1333mhz.) I don't know if it exists for x200 but you might check it out.

I put OpenBSD on my thinkpad. Got WiFi working, but it has to be in the same room as the router (lol?) I disabled powersave on the wifi card, too, didn't change a thing.

Linux is fine, can connect to wifi literally anywhere in my house.

Anyone know what the issue could be?

how does fedora 25 run on the t420 or x series

hey guise,

looking for another thinkpad purely for programming and computing purposes (image processing, maybe some neural net stuff soon). Mainly single-threaded applications as far as I know. What model would give me the absolute fastest performance for $200?

>>58655652
pls respond

>>58657704
T60/T61

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I've flashed a modded BIOS on my T420 and my memory should be capable of running at 1600mhz. Speccy is still showing a lower speed.

I've booted into the BIOS and changed the memory setting to 1600 mhz and that didn't seem to do anything either.

Post 22 on this page is the BIOS I'm using: https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-REQUEST-Whitelist-Lenovo-T420-BIOS-v-1-22-83uj05us?pid=105546#pid105546

Is there something I'm missing?

>>58658046
DDR means Double Data Rate

797mhz x 2 = ???

>>58658151

Didn't realize it would display like that. Thank you.

>>58657790
you'll get a better response from, and I hate to say this, from reddit or toms hardware. these threads normally aren't very helpful for most just shitposting.

Is there any reason to get a t420 over an x220? They're virtually the same spec-wise, and the x220 is more compact.

>>58658636
You can't easily replace the cpu in the x220 if it matters to you.

>>58658636
t420 could have a potentially higher resolution display(no mods). t420 also tends to run cooler so you're less likely to run into thermal throttling if you're doing something cpu intensive. x220 doesn't have an optical drive slot not a big deal since disk don't really matter anymore, but you can shove a hard drive in there. So potentially a t420 could have 2 2.5" drives installed.

Just some sacrifices you make for a smaller form factor. imo though X22/30>T42/30

Is it worth spending a bit more to get a W520 instead of a T520? The extra GPU performance seems nice but that son of a bitch is gonna run much hotter isn't it.

>>58659461

Just from my experience it's much harder to find a t520 with an fhd screen, while there's many w520 with them, just as a note. However, how much do you really need a quadro? They aren't really that strong, but are good at wasting battery life and getting hot. I'd say the most relevant reason to go for a w520 would be for the quad core cpu. For the record though, I own a w520 and it used to be my daily driver. The fhd screen is great even though it's a tn panel probably the best out of the 2012 thinkpad line up, battery life isn't that bad but it's definitely worse than my x230. Overall though, I switched to an x230 because I didn't need to utilize a quadcore anymore and definitely didn't need the quadro.

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>>58649269
>touchpad
>masterrace

>>58649695
Thanks, i'll look for them.

>>58659602
I already have the revered wide gamut 1080p display for the *520 in the mail so that's not a problem. Just can't decide which thinkpad I want to actually buy to put it in.

I guess you're right though, the Quadro will probably go as a mostly unused heat generator as I don't really play games... T520 it is I think.

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What's the best wireless mouse for travel with my Thinkpad? Want one for when I have the opportunity to use a desk. Was thinking this bitch because it looks modest, slim so it won't bulge in my bag, and matches the Thinkpad matte black aesthetic.

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Anyone got a fully functional X220 screen in good cosmetic condition that they wanna sell?

>>58651042
Nice 16:9 screen, faggot!

>>58659860

>Thinkpad matte black aesthetic

Thanks to Lenovo being fucking stupid, ThinkPads aren't actually matte black anymore, they're some kind of disgusting dark gunmetal gray or something.

Fuck you, Lenovo.

>>58659461
W520 has Optimus so you can run on integrated graphics while on battery. But being a quad core, it will be hotter anyway, just hotter yet with the discrete graphics running too. That's what having a somewhat sizeable heatsink is for I guess. Still, the option does mean it gets considerably more battery life than the W510, however more power hungry it is compared to the T

>>58659860
I would say the ThinkPad mouse but then you said slim which would probably limit it to the Microsoft one

>>58659860
there's this red thing in the middle of your keyboard, which, if lelnovo didn't fuck up yet, works so well.

use it.

X220 vs X230

X230 pros:
>2x USB3 on all models (X220 has 1 on select models)
>CPU consumes less power and outputs less heat
>GPU is over 50% more performant
>GPU supports OpenGL 4.0 (3.3 on X220)
>Mini DP -> HDMI adapter is more common than DP -> HDMI
>backlit keyboard available
>no bios mod needed for stable eGPU experience

X220 pros:
>classic keyboard by default
>3rd party batteries work by default
>cheaper

X230 requires custom EC BIOS to support classic keyboard and 3rd party batteries.

Personally I've had X40, X61s, X201, X220 and X230 as my daily laptop and I have to say that X40 and X61s had the best keyboard in both typing feel and layout. The keyboards on my X201 and X220 had too soft collapse for my taste and I would sometimes mix up two consecutive letters from different hands while touch typing. X230 has objectively worse layout but the typing feel is back to amazing so I'm not going to mod X220 keyboard onto my X230.

In the end it's all about what you need and what kind of a deal you can find. X230 + X220 keyboard + modding is much more expensive in time and money than just picking up X220 if it's all about the keyboard.

>>58661902
I've got a X220 at the moment with a TN screen and have been thinking about getting a X230 with an ips screen. Then swapping the keyboards round. Worth it?

>>58662738
I didn't as I preferred the X230 keyboard feel over the one on my X220. I don't know if there is a modded EC for the X220 to put the new keyboard on it.

>>58661902
>>Mini DP -> HDMI adapter is more common than DP -> HDMI
???

both are cheap on amazon. i use a mini dp > dp > hdmi

>>58663219
There are far more laptops with mini DP than with full-sized DP. If you ever need to borrow an adapter or use random projector there is far greater chance that a mini DP cable or adapter is available.

sometimes my trackpoint moves on its own. what do =(

>>58656843
>>58656854
Same guy from yesterday, do all TrackPoints fit the G40?

>>58663145
>preferring the x230 keyboard.
You deserve to watch this whole video for guiding anons with your shit taste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj1JVku5UmQ

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>>58661902

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Is powertop snake oil or a must-have?

where to buy X62?

>>58664273
>snake oil
how's a diagnostic tool "snake oil"?

what sort of battery life are x230 owners getting in linux? i cant get much more than 1-2 hours from my 6 cell in debian

I accidentally broke my t410's screen. I've rigged up a temporary solution with another laptop screen, but as far as I can tell the only way to get a replacement screen that fits is to buy an entire "lid". Will any 14.1in screen fit, or will they generally be incompatible?

>>58663701
Like it keeps moving slightly after you've used it? That's normal.

>>58664425
I meant whether the "tunables" actually affect battery life in any measurable manner.

>>58664654
tlp

>>58664435
Interested in this too

T450 or X250 that is the question..
Anyone have experiance with both?
I want something light, durable that has good battery life

"you grant to Microsoft a worldwide and royalty-free intellectual property license to use Your Content"

Does this give Microsoft access to my IP? It says so pretty clearly. Asking because I am reading the EULA before I upgrade from Windows 7 SP1

Got a t560, trackpoint just stops at random times during the day which persists between reboots. Anyone else have this problem?

I have a Thinkpad X200, how much can I sell it ?

Best ThinkPad without a trackpad? I love my T420 but I feel it would be better without the trackpad since I never use it.

>>58665014
Sounds pretty clear to me. Use Microsoft software and you they get dibs on your IP, soul, and children.

what laptop sleeve does /tpg/ use to carry around their x220 with extended battery?

>>58665332
>laptop sleeve
Fag

>>58665332
I use this https://www.amazon.com/Zeroshock-13-inch-Widescreen-Notebook-Case/dp/B000HA4EZK

>>58665355
I just don't want my laptop being scratched up in my backpack against my folders mang.

>>58665332
3 neoprene bags sewn together like a techwear dolphin's vagina

>>58664435
I get 2 hours on a 3 cell with my 2560p in ubuntu gnome with tlp&rdw

just with a word document open i can get up to 4.

T460 or X260 for comfy programming around the campus?

>>58665628
X

>>58664135
Don't get me wrong I prefer the keyboard on X61s but it is sadly obsolete. The keyboards on X201 and X220 which I had were clearly of lower quality in term of typing comfort.

I was super sceptical of the new keyboard on X230 but it won me over easily as it was more comfourtable to type on even if the layout is worse.

I've read that there are multiple manufacturers for the X220 keyboard and that some of them are better but the one I had had too soft collapse making typing experience medicore compared to X61s or X230.

I love my lil x220, it really is so fucking comfy. But what games can I play on it? Obviously it can't play modern games, being so small and cute. What games do you play on your x220s, /tpg/?

>>58666567
CoC and TiTS mainly

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Post Thinkpads!

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>>58666617

>>58666567

I play hearthstone and indie shit. X230 tho

>>58666729
How does Hearthstone run on the x230?

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My Thinkpad just got here. Has 4GB of RAM, and a 320GB HDD. Got it for $120.

Looks like it's in pretty good condition, the pictures make it seem a little worse then it actually is.

The keys are become somewhat worn out, and the battery jiggles a tiny little bit. The lid also has small blemishes (Paint falling).

Did I do good or did I fuck up?

Also any tips on cleaning it a bit? I want to clean it good.

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tfw upgrading my x230

>>58667009
Is it really worth getting (((corsair))) Vengeance©®™®©™™™ ram for ThinkPads? I was just gonna upgrade mine with some cheap Kingston crap off eBay.

>>58667071
I did because it was on sale a few days ago, i picked up the 16gb kit for $95

>>58667009
how much did you pay for the SSD?

Is there any point at all upgrading my thinkpad from 4gb ram to 16gb if all I do is youtube, 4chan and watch movies?

>>58667152
$949

>>58667171
No

>>58667009
Nice choice on the ssd

>>58667171
yes, better to stay prepared and "future proof"

>>58666617
>>58666634
That looks fucking nice anon. How much did it cost? And how is performance? They seem to be like $70 bucks on Ebay.

How do you guys clean your red things?

Is there a thinkpad that can actually be used while on battery for longer than, say 6 hours?

>>58666567
overwatch with muh egpu

>>58667411

The new thinkpads such as the x260 have a stupid ammount of battery life. As far as older thinkpads like the 20/30 series. My x230 gets a little over 6 hours on a 9cell mostly just shitposting, watching youtube, and maybe some word documents. That's using an fhd screen though, i'm sure you'd get more at 768p

>>58667510
aren't the new one kinda shit though? dont know whats a meme and what is actually good as i never had a thinkpad.
thanks anon.

>>58666790
>>58666811
>>58666830
>>58666849
fucking idiot posted this on plebbit as well, kys

>>58667510

on windows?

>>58667568

I mean it's subjective, most users here on /tpg/ don't like the new keyboard layout or new chasis, but imo they aren't bad. Tbh the biggest thing is that new Thinkpads are quite expensive and only offer marginal upgrades to Thinkpads made in 2012/3. Why send close to a grand or more when you can spend $200-$300 on an older Thinkpad with an ssd and still be able to perform the same tasks at about the same performance. I'd say the only real noticeable diffrences are newer Thinkpads are more energy efficient and are also thinner.

>>58667575
You might as well join him and do the same.

>>58666763
Runs smooth, just murders my battery life. Cpu gets noticeably hot, nothing i'd be concerned about though, I consider anything under 75c fine.

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>>58666617
Pretty comfy desu

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>>58667955

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I'm curious about the price depreciation of Thinkpads
Specifically, how many years after release does the market get flooded with offlease of a particular model? 2 years? 4 years?

It's hard to quantify price depreciation if you're not paying particular attention to a model over time

On a related sidenote,
Also, anyone have luck with buying large offlease lots of Thinkpads?

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>>58667575
Who fucking cares? You obviously fucking go there since you saw my post.

>>58668057

what model is the fluffy thinkpad?

>>58668168
T520

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How much of a hassle is it to remove one of these bios locks?

>>58668211

very

If I install Ubuntu on my Thinkpad would it install all the drivers that I need?
Also how about the Thinkpad software? I actually quite like it, helps save some battery.
Thanks!

>>58668211
not worth it
iirc there isn't even a documented way to do it for most models

reflashing doesn't help since pass is on dedi mem chip so you have to start messing with hardware

>>58668211
1-dollar clip and anything with spi bus.

4k display on thinkpades when?!

what is ur favrite finkpade

lenobo should release a line of thinkingpads for fathers and brand em as thinkdads

>>58656687
good job anon, now fit an x220 keyboard on it.

I joined this evening, picked up an x230. So happy with it and I am not going to look back.

>>58669343
upgrade to 16gb ram and 2tb ssd.
i just did today, no regrets

>>58669343
enjoy your nonfree battery

>>58669372
you can free it with a hardware mod
if you want true free use proper hardware not an X230*

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I know the L models aren't recommend, but I don't expect it will be used for much other then web browsing, watching movies, and art programs. Running Windows 10, do you think these specs will fly? I can bump it up to 8gb of RAM if you guys think that will be a bottle neck.

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>>58667634

yeah

>>58669485

Why would you do this to yourself? For a tiny bit more you could get a sandybridge X or T series thinkpad.

Get?

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834321405

>>58669535

Hell nah. 768p, you'll have to invest more for an ssd, 4gb of ram. That's a lot for an E series Thinkpad just because it has a sandybridge cpu.

>>58669584
skylake*

Good deal to trade my original 128gb samsung ssd from my t420 for 3 x 3.5" wd black 1tb drives (no more than 2 yrs old)? I'm looking to sell the drives and purchase a bigger ssd for it. Seems like a good deal to me.

>>58669613

I would, 128gb is pretty small even by ssd standards. I'd much rather have 3 1tb drives. Plus you'd probably get more money off the 3 drives after resale.

copped a t420s last week,

i'm in love. thanks for conning me into a pretty useful meme, /g/ents.

>>58669640
I figured that too. wd 1tb black drives I could fetch $40 for each ez I figure. I will test them prior to trade. Once sold I think i could get a 256gb ssd or msata which will be nice.

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>>58669522
Everything I'm seeing at a similar pricepoint or lower seens to take a considerable hit in performance or specs from the X or T series. I get it if the overall build quality is going to be better, possibly a nicer display or whatever, but I'm looking for the horse power over the IBM feel.

Pics will be a few of the listings I found from the same seller.

I have an x201, my battery is at 20.1% capacity on a full charge, it keeps saying it is either old or broken(I bought it refurbished so probably old), but the capacity keeps going down every time I take it off the charger. I overpaid a bit for the laptop itself, $130, and I have dealt with the shitty battery pretty easily for a while because I don't want to leave my desk much anyways in the winter, but now that it is warming up I want to go outside but my battery lasts for under an hour. Any recs for a cheap battery for an x201?
tldr
what would be the best cheap battery to buy for my x201?

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>>58669703
Again, all of these pics are from a particular source, if anyone can tell me why any of these examples might be better then the L series I showed, then please do.

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i found an actual use-case for the hackintosh install on my x220, and it's to play fucking video games. [my preferred linux distro] has pretty much covered my needs since installation and weened me off my old c2d macbook air. i put macos on a 64gb msata for funsies, but never really used it. i was pretty close to wiping it and installing win7 with the oa key (likely to also be ignored), but learned that ps4 remote play has a mac client. works great and will probably be the way i play [dumb jap rpg 5] while living abroad this spring

so there you go. if you wanna stream your ps4, but not want to deal with win8 or 10, consider a hackintosh install

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>>58669729
I think there is one more after this one.

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>>58669755
Okay. That caps it off.

To repeat myself, the L series seems to boast better performance at a lower price point then any of these T or X series think pads I found. If anyone can tell me how the T or X is better, I would love to know, because all of them seem to have lower stats.

>>58669584
Even in Canadian dollars? (This is a bit of a stupid question, but I'm asking anyway)

>>58669775
Why are you bothering with this seller? This shit's way overpriced.

>>58669828
I wasn't sure if that was the case. What alternatives would you recommend?

>>58669775
well those t-series models are older gen than the l412 you started with, and the x131e doesn't even count, as it's a shitty little netbook with some thinkpad branding on it. you can find a proper x201, x220, x230, t410, t420, etc for $150 or less. just not from whatever seller you're pricing these at

>>58669856
the mythical land of ebay

>>58669711
pls help I need a good cheap battery recommendation for my x201

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THINKPAD P50 [y/n]

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>>58669867
Found this guy for $160, 10 bucks above the buy now price from the guide, and claims to come with windows 7 pro already installed, which should save me a lot of heartache.

Seems like a better alternative in every way.

>>58669960
all the cheap off-brand batteries will be about the same, that is to say, not amazing. a $20 chinese 6-cell will have a lower capacity than a legit lenovo one and probably a lower overall cycle life as well.

BUT how much more money do you really want to put into an x201? a legit battery is gonna be up there, and who knows how long it's been sitting on a shelf, even advertised as new? how many hours are you really going to be farting around outside on your laptop (WHICH HAS A TN SCREEN. SUNLIGHT TN SUNLIGHT TN STOMP MY NUTS TN SUNLIGHT), away from an outlet?

best use of exprescard 54 that isn't usb 3.0?

>>58663737
To clarify, do TrackPoints fit in all models?

>>58663737
The super cheapo ones from eBay do. I have a soft rim on mine.

>keys are starting to fail on my T520

I fell for the meme. I'm never buying a Thinkpad again.

>>58670134
there's a card that has a usb 3 and an esata port, for what that's worth. or egpu adapter

>>58670169
just get another keyboard
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T400-T410-T410S-T510-T520-W510-Keyboard-45N2106-45N2141-/162372562136?hash=item25ce28acd8:g:dIkAAOSw-0xYil00

>>58670209
or I can finally build a PC and never dick around with memepad ever again

I recently picked up two Thinkpads (a T440p and a W541) and both of them have problems with the color on the webcam. One, everything is tinted yellow, and the other everything is tinted pink. How can Lenovo think that's acceptable?

>>58670218
faggot

>>58669372
What did he mean by this?

>>58669711
>>58669960

Just buy a new x201.

>>58666617
>>58666634
How much battery life do you get?

Are the xx30 thinkpad keyboards made by multiple manufacturers like the xx20 ones are? If so which model number do I need to be on the lookout for to get the best keyboard feel?

>>58670637
Yes. There are matte and gloss keyboards out there. They are not the same. Don't know what they did or even if they have different FRUs.

x220 keyboards are more consistent overall.

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don't know how much used T460's are going for but randomly stumbled upon this, might be interesting for someone

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T460-20FN-14-Core-i5-6300U-8-GB-RAM-256-GB-SSD-/282339914393

would've considered it myself but not an amerifat so the shipping + import charges kill it for me

So do they replace the battery when they refurbish pcs? I don't care about cosmetic damage but I would imagine an older thinkpad could use a new battery. If they replace it it would make me more likely to buy refurbished rather than new.

Also, does anyone know what kind of battery life a used i5 x230t gets these days?

>>58670124
a 20$ chinese 6-cell would be a vast improvement over less than an hour uptime without a charger though. And that is literally just editing ruby in vim. my battery has 20.1% capacity, so it is basically worthless. Even if the chinese one has just 70% capacity that would be worth the 20$. So, any cheap chink batteries for an x201 /tpg/ recommends?

>>58670752
>it it would make me more likely to buy refurbished rather than new.

rather than used I mean.

Which battery to purchase for my T530? Are there lots of crappy fakes around?

>>58670764
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LENOVO-THINKPAD-BATTERY-45N1170-42T4695-9-CELL-X200-X200S-X201i-47-43R9255-IBM-/122151786764?hash=item1c70d0590c:g:mnYAAOSwU-pXsLRI
not a chinese battery but you can give this a shot

Ordered a T520 with the FHD panel the other day. I'm excited.

What is everyone's favorite distro on their thinkpad(s)?

>>58670827

Xubuntu, but I've been fucking around with EOS recently

Is Windows 10 or Linux better for battery life?

>>58670919
Neither install macos

>>58670919

In my experience windows (8.1 because I'm a freak who likes metro) has been better for battery life on my laptops.

>>58670957
I always thought Linux was a more modern, modular, lightweight OS than Windows which I've always imagined as a junk legacy code-encumbered pile of taped together dinosaur crap.

Interesting that Windows is actually better for battery.

>>58670038
>dat feel when i picked up my t430 specced out for $140

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>>58666617
>X201 (x2), X220 (Dock connected), W520
>Bought all 4 within 2 months
>Total spent coming just under 1000 USD
>X201's for learning programming and linux
>X220 to sit and look pretty on its dock
>W520 for fuckloads of media+information storage and light gaming

>>58671368
why do you use the classic windows theme?
(honest question)

>>58671406
edgy

>>58671406
I don't know, I just like the simple, neat, vintage look of it.

>just got a 6 cell slice battery a few days ago in the mail for my x220

Worth every fucking penny. God damn, I never thought I'd be settled and using a laptop as a DD, but here we are over five years later of regular use, and it is now giving more than ever before.

>>58671706
where'd you buy from?

>>58671406
I use the same classic theme on W7 as well. I don't like Aero/transparency, and prefer the simple look too.

>>58671522
>>58671749
I see. Thanks.

>>58648228

Anyone know when the Thinkpads with Kaby Lake will be out? I actually need a laptop for school but don't wanna buy the current stuff if Kaby lake will be here in a month or two.

>>58671737
Amazon Marketplace

https://www.amazon.com/Thinkpad-Battery-19-Cell-Slice/dp/B004UC59Q4

Particularly, the IT Surplus Liquidators seller. Yes, it's pricey at $80, but they are legit, and despite being refurbished, mine came in great condition. No problems.

>>58671794
Thank you. Definitely gonna purchase soon.

>>58670701
that was a mistake listing
they're not that cheap

>>58671859
>windows 7 and it has a unknown user id and password on it

Probably BIOS locked

>>58671907
I doubt anyone is stupid enough to sell an enterprise grade laptop on shitbay without mentioning it's BIOS locked

>>58671923

Oh derp. I thought he sold it, but he actually ended it beforehand.

>>58666634
how do you like that e-reader looking at getting one

>>58672187
Blue-spectre white light at night.
Bad.

>>58672253
Why do you tape over the logo?

>>58672335
Probably he didn't like it, the logo doesn't glow itself.

>>58666634
I seriously doubt you can see shit on that TN garbage panel outside

>>58672455
>x61
>garbage tn

>>58672455
what is a TN?

>>58672713
a form of eye cancer

>>58672713
TraNnies

>>58672713
TN (Twisted Nematic) is the most common technology and also the oldest. The main advantage is that it provides the shortest response times, making them good for gaming. In combination with LED back-lighting, TN monitors also offer high brightness and draw less power than competing technologies. Another important factor is that they are cheap to manufacture, resulting in low prices for end users.

The drawbacks to the technology is the color shifts that occur at wider viewing angles. There are large differences in quality between different products, but the lower-end ones will exhibit color shift even at moderate angle changes. A TN-based display can usually be identified through these color distortions when viewing the picture from above or from the sides.

>>58669976
y

>>58671036
>imagined

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x230 with x220 keyboard master race

>>58671368
is that Dryer Vista or Dryer 7? What setting works best?

>>58672713
A million of psychedelic colors, man!

>>58673090
nice

>>58673090
more pics pls
this is fap material

>>58673090
does it werk 100%? as in all keys do what they should?

>>58673119
all the important stuff works other than the caps lock light
fn f3 fn f12 and fn space don't work but these are completely useless to me

>>58653885
no, but i've looked at it before, it doesnt look that bad, the keys look comfy, as long as your area is well lit to find the occasional top row key. if i ever have an extra 60 usd i'll pick one up

Just bought my first ThinkPad (T420). What am I in for? Did I fall for a meme, or will it be better than my old Toshiba satellite?

>>58673090
how hard was this to actually do?

>>58673195
not that hard just a bunch of commands in a unix terminal and slight modifications to the keyboard connector and palm-wrest (to fit the fingerprint reader)

Is x220t really a multitouch or not?

>>58673649
It's not multi touch. It's not touch at all in fact. Only works with the pen.

>>58673649
There are 2 versions, but non-multitouch has anti-reflective coating.

What's normal behavior for USB ports on T420?
>Not connected to AC
ON / all ports have current.
OFF/ No port have current even the powered USB

>Connected to AC
ON / all ports have current.
OFF/ No port have current even the powered USB

Is this normal?